history

[thorny plaza]

OOOOO I like

[frozen kestrel]

Rifling's done

[narrow rover]

Aeug

[frozen kestrel]

Four fucking hours later the barrel's actually done

So, yeah, getting the actual measurements to work together in the gun barrel model is a ROYAL pain in the ass

Tomorrow, I'll try to extend it back and figure out how to make it twist

Yeah and this is all modelled to scale...

[shy grail]

And then you have to model the different twist rate as well

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/OnDisasters/status/1772864656526233889

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https://youtube.com/shorts/j4PBSo0goNI?si=Gz6ANbmliEuC-HmK

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcmixvUp_TU

[fierce quartz]

Ah, yes. The ship that rammed phlat chest Hipper.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV-XYBi-xwo

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_URAD-6aD1U

[spring briar]

Kinda interesting how the title doesn’t even mention France

Is this part of a series?

[subtle prawn]

Guy has made a previous video about the the First Indochina War in its earlier days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQQ6SsvD8Go

Oh, it was two

[spring briar]

Ah

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AArQLWXx_bA

[spring briar]

Makes a bit more sense then

[steel rapids]

Finally someone post about the war in my country

[willow jungle]

Well, this is a sad ending for this girl.

Unfinished Iowa-class Battleship USS Kentucky (BB-66) being towed to the scrapyard. October 1958.

[runic ermine]

Rip

[frozen kestrel]

Quick question: Is there a resource like navweaps for land weaponry? (Anti-tank guns, howitzers, main guns for tanks, etc.)

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1773105663368942008

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1943, HMS Dasher suffered a major internal explosion and sank in the Firth of Clyde, taking the lives of 379 of the escort carrier's 528 crewmen. For two years, the British government suppressed news about the Royal Navy's second-biggest loss in UK waters during the war.…

Twitter · Mar 27, 2024, 9:51 PM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1773154261162959338

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

The Gearing-class destroyer USS Brinkley Bass (DD-887) was so frequently targeted by pranksters that the captain would have to post a Marine on the fantail while in port to prevent mischievous sailors from painting over the B's of the ship's name.
#WarshipWednesday

Twitter · Mar 28, 2024, 1:04 AM

[wintry moat]

Lmao

Brinkley Ass

[glass trail]

*wrinkley

[narrow rover]

One of the good things to come out of WW2, it killed colonialism

[manic latch]

Kinda

Story of Indonesia is interesting

Dutch colony
Then Japan invades
Then they rebell against Dutch
Then they have war with each other

Then Truman realize its making communism support stronger and warns Dutch to leave or says he will end the economic support

Then the new government is supported by America AND Soviet Union
Then CIA (like usually) decided to stirr up chaos thinking government was Pro Communist and begins to support extremist groups against the government

Then US realize the mistake and as forgiveness gift it gives weapons and money etc

Then the 1965 coup and the "purge" of 500k to 1 million "communists" etc

[shy grail]

Tbf it was for good reason, Konfrantasi really showed that Indonesia was sus

Then Indonesia went to name one of their ships after the men who participated in the terrorist bombing in Singapore, then Singapore got pissed (especially when they hanged them due to it)

[narrow rover]

How many newly liberated countries had absolutely shitty governments?
Short answer: everyone
And arguably only 2~3 left the shitty phase.

[autumn sorrel]

Correction, they never left, only less shitty

[narrow rover]

Yup

Taiwan and KR, Singapore sort of unfucked their governments

The others... not so much

[remote monolith]

not sure Taiwan falls into that category considering its literally just the legitimized remnant of the Guomindang that got huge amount of support to counterbalance mainland China

[autumn sorrel]

South Kr still a dystopian for anyone who isn’t part of Chaebol, Singapore is borderline a police state, Taiwan is having a identity crisis on whether they are Chinese or Taiwanese

[narrow rover]

SK is probably a lot better compared to what it was in like 1948

[runic ermine]

Maybe Japan considering that one party has pretty much been in charge since 1945 and War criminals becoming prime minister

[runic ermine]

Japanese occupation tends to do that

[narrow rover]

JP was not newly "liberated"

The US just got rid of the military from power

[runic ermine]

Ok true

[autumn sorrel]

Man, you missed the Korean guy rant about how there is no prospect of future for him in this channel

[narrow rover]

The way colonies are set up
It's very difficult to get back on track
Just look at what happened in South America or Africa or... everywhere that isn't 1st world really

[narrow rover]

[remote monolith]

Singapore also had the advantage of being a more or less homogenous state occupying a very small but strategic area, allowing Lee Kuan Yew to basically be a benevolent dictator without much hassle, several things that not a lot of other post-WW2 countries enjoyed

[narrow rover]

India had potential but it was let down by sheer size really

Too hard to govern, too hard to hold together

[autumn sorrel]

With Malaysia and Indonesia being the big boogeyman, you will find that Singaporean are very supportive of Lee

[narrow rover]

China went red

[runic ermine]

And millions died

[remote monolith]

yeah point is Lee had a lot of things going to enable him to do his thing

[autumn sorrel]

Only thing holding back India is Indian

[narrow rover]

Choose
Your options are either a China or an India
For instance if someone like Chiang was in charge the most likely thing to happen is some growth in the 50s~60s than stagnation
Like what happened to SEA

[remote monolith]

by comparison the earlier years of Indonesia was super turbulent since not only did the government had to make everything from scratch, the population is insanely diverse and communication between islands were hilariously bad, and the country still managed to keep up Democracy for over a decade before Soekarno went off the deep end

[narrow rover]

It's a miracle they held together

[autumn sorrel]

Not miracle, guns

[remote monolith]

by keep up I mean barely managed one popular election cycle and continuing to function while cabinets drop dead in the span of a few weeks to a few months

[autumn sorrel]

Threat of Violence always works

If that doesn’t work, it is because you didn’t use enough violence

[remote monolith]

eeeh, I mean, Indonesia were definitely united through a shared sentiment of independence, its exactly why Dutch plans to make Indonesia a series of independent states failed

because most of the populations overwhelmingly voted to be included in a single state instead of a US type structure

[narrow rover]

You can unfuck a country
Just take the Mao route and shitcan your entire infrastructure and start from scratch united under one ideology

But really... only Mao did it

[runic ermine]

And kill millions in the process

[narrow rover]

sacrifices were made

[autumn sorrel]

Most population will only include the bigger islands, it sure doesn’t count the countless smaller one and Guinea

[remote monolith]

unfortunately the central government rather unsurprisingly couldn't build up every places equally, AND there were some Revolution era actors who wanted to take the country to a different direction. Cue 13 years long insurgency in the most populated areas of the country, plus several military led insurgencies

[runic ermine]

Russian Swiss army knife

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah, that one time entire Indonesian army division defect and became insurgent

[remote monolith]

unification sentiments were certainly big even in lesser islands like Bali, the Moluccas and Celebes. Guinea isn't included in Indonesia up until the 60s, it was still Dutch held until the end of the Old Order

look up the role of Sam Ratulangi'

IG Kasimo

and the Jong Celebes

[runic ermine]

Same thing happened with Vichy France

[narrow rover]

By 1948 how 'diverse' was China

Because it's mostly one language

[runic ermine]

Manchu too

[remote monolith]

multiple divisions, although we're using divisions very losely here

[autumn sorrel]

Say that to a Cantonese, I dare you

[runic ermine]

Manchus too

[narrow rover]

I mean compared to somewhere like india

[remote monolith]

most of these army insurgents didn't do it on a whim too, their main demand was equality from the central government who couldn't commit desired amount of infrastructure advances to non-Java isles due to multiple problems

and most of them were defeated when the central government not only beat them in combat, but offered amnesty to anyone that participated and promises to acknowledge some of their demands, which admittedly was carried out on at least the amnesty side of things

the DI/TII side is different though, it was gradually crushed until the ringleader Caliph surrendered

[autumn sorrel]

India is even dumber, adding caste system plus religious differences, no wonder Brit let India off the hook so easily, them being the colonial oppressors is the only thing that hold India together

[narrow rover]

[remote monolith]

I mean, the caste system is part of their religious system, it would be difficult to uproot the established order just in a few decades

Britain was broke post-war and simply doesn't have the means to administer India at all

[autumn sorrel]

Funny thing is that, there are mini civil war and pseudo genocide happen right now in India but the world barely know about it.

[autumn sorrel]

Honestly, it was unattainable anyway, the cost of administering the colony is creeping up to the benefit of keeping it to the Crown

[junior trench]

Britain actively reinforced the caste system in the wake of the Sepoy Rebellion

effectively the British chose to forgo one of the usual norms of European colonialism, that being the Christian evangelical aspect of it, in favor of reinforcing Indian conservatism as a tool of social control by the British Raj

[narrow rover]

Churchill and some of the leadership didn't want to let India go, it's one of their reasons for being really suspicious of Chinese leaders even though they were trying to kick the Japanese out alongside each other...

[frozen kestrel]

Did Laffey (DD-459) both the single- and double-knuckle turrets?

[somber knoll]

Cantonese, Hong Kong, Western China.

Hell even areas like Shantung/Shandong is different.

[somber knoll]

1955 General Election moment

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDbUnRvb43o

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2024/03/28/u-s-navy-begins-tomahawk-missile-training-for-japanese-forces

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https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1773450598408483105

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1946, Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz and General of the Army Dwight Eisenhower were awarded honorary degrees from the University of Richmond, Virginia. The two warriors toasted each other with mint juleps.

Twitter · Mar 28, 2024, 8:42 PM

[signal wave]

I swear who let the US cook in 1930

[wintry moat]

Lol

[junior trench]

it's almost as if they never left paper

[shy grail]

India was held back earlier due to Pakistan and India being split, which was in turn due to the British trusting the Muslim delegation a bit too much

[subtle prawn]

You say that like they're the only ones with wacky designs in the interwar era

[shy grail]

Quite diverse, Mandarin become basically one language in China doesn't happen until PRC

[shy grail]

Nah that's Deng, not Mao, Mao made the country horrifically worse post Great leap forward and other shenanigans

[somber knoll]

That was because Mao didn't even know what he was doing post-reunification

Xiao Ping had the advantage of already planning what to do beforehand,

[shy grail]

Yeah

[grave ravine]

Nah it wasn't just trusting Jinnah too much, the Brits purposefully created the conditions of the partition because they hoped to still maintain a degree of leverage through their shitty divide and rule tactics even post independence

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv6nXZmvuL4

[ivory ridge]

https://fxtwitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1773676494201450983?t=DkpJbPrQW1tkFx-ZpOUFKQ&s=19

[manic latch]

"This is a comic that was given to troops during Vietnam when the M16 rifle was issued"

[steel rapids]

The god damn thing jam every fucking time

And usually they just grab an ak or type 56 from the Vietnamese

[median osprey]

Is anyone here from Russia or former Soviet country?Because I’m doing a college research project on Zhukov and I’m wondering what you think about him and what you were taught about him. Feel free to dm me

[autumn sorrel]

Problem is that when AK platform got dirt or jam inside it, the disassembly is simple and it is easier to clean the bolt than AR. Sure, the AK might get jam or misfire again just rock the bolt back and it ready to fire as long as nothing obstruct the firing pin.

[steel rapids]

And there's alot of ammo you can get from dead enemy

[autumn sorrel]

Probably, depend on how intact the bodies were and how much ammo were spent, generally it isn't feasible to use captured weapon en masse unless they use the same ammo or you willing to set up production for that specific ammo type

And Soviet ammo are notorious bc they use a primer compound that is very corrosive to the rifle barrel which require the soldier to maintain his weapon after any combat.

Which is why sometime captured AK from ME was so bad and hazardous for its user, they barely clean up their rifle and the rifling is literally rust away.

[steel rapids]

Bruh

[runic ermine]

Or capture from a camp

[steel rapids]

Village=camp

[grave ravine]

The North Vietnamese were notorious for removing most of their dead and detritus from the battlefield as a psychological tactic

[grave ravine]

Most soldiers did not in fact do that and the issues with M16s jamming are somewhat overstated

[steel rapids]

Hm nice fact

[steel rapids]

I think the vc also

[alpine onyx]

Perceived issues about guns being overblown and at times objectively incorrect? Can't be

Next you'll tell me that the Chauchat was reliable, and that the G36 didn't melt under sunlight

[runic ermine]

Same with the Ross rifle and the M30 Breda

Also the Type 94 pistol

[steel rapids]

Wait what's wrong with Ross rifle

[steel rapids]

I always call it Canada's manlicher

[subtle prawn]

It's a good rifle if you're a sniper that takes care of his gun well, but not a good service rifle

The catch is the ammo has to be pristine

[autumn sorrel]

And when they can't do that, booby trap the bodies with grenade

[steel rapids]

Well shit

[fierce sparrow]

https://fxtwitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1773954512543215632

[tribal mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Gyv5YYwmc

ooooooo

here we go

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyWmpoLrkBI

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZnmkth6kDA

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1774190409364672730

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

in 1945, two sailors who were angry about being ordered to scrape and paint USS LSM-51 decided to write "FOR SALE" on the side. It wasn't until another ship signaled "How much do you want for it?" that the confused captain discovered the unauthorized ad.
#SeaStorySaturday

Twitter · Mar 30, 2024, 9:42 PM

[wintry moat]

Lol

[steel rapids]

50%off buy now

[humble jewel]

Japan is making a comeback

JS Akagi next

[humble jewel]

https://youtu.be/FyOm2pmRbV0?si=GggoM933G0LeMXNN

the timing

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1773821526095143094

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

It's National Nevada Day! In 2012, USS Nevada (SSBN 733) was boarded by a rogue team of elite seals that tried to take over the submarine. The crew of the Nevada managed to repel the seals (harmlessly) before the marine mammals did any damage.
#NationalNevadaDay

Twitter · Mar 29, 2024, 9:16 PM

[humble jewel]

Nevada loves seals

[willow jungle]

USS Hammann (DD-412) sinking with stern high after being torpedoed by Japanese submarine I-168 in the afternoon of June 6, 1942.

The picture was taken on board USS Yorktown (CV-5) by Photographer 2nd Class William G. Roy.

Angular structure in the right foreground is the front of Yorktown's forward starboard 5-inch gun gallery.

[manic latch]

"We train young men to drop fire on people. But their commanders won't allow them to write 'fuck' on their airplanes because it's obscene"

• Colonel Walter E. Kurtz, Apocalypse Now

[runic ermine]

That's why you won't see anime girls on planes in ww3

Probably for the best

[manic latch]

Hmm

[runic ermine]

You know what I mean

[runic ermine]

Also that's the weebcopter in war thunder

[humble jewel]

based

[steel rapids]

My favorite custom paint sadly they don't put on tanks😔

[rapid junco]

Reminds me of Nero Moura doing that with aircraft of 1st Fighter Squadron in Italy

Nero Moura was the commander of the squadron

[visual rover]

Today 1 April 1939 (2024) battleship Tirpitz launched day/brithday

[supple sandal]

I HATE THE WEEBCOPTER

Anyway

Too many fucking people mistake Pol Pot for Elon Musk

[steel rapids]

Wtf

[visual rover]

HNLMS De Ruyter (Time Lime name ships)

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_hbTJEt9W8

[tribal mortar]

• Wodoriez-class gunboats:
  ORP Generał Haller (ORP General Haller)
  ORP Komendant Piłsudski (ORP Commander Piłsudski)

• D-class light cruisers:
  ORP Dragon (ORP Dragon, before HMS Dragon), Received from the British Navy
  ORP Conrad (ORP Conrad, before HMS Danae), Received from the British Navy after loss of ORP Dragon

• Bourrasque-class destroyers:
  OF Ouragan (OF Ouragan, before MNF Ouragan), Taken over by the Polish Navy after French ships evacuated to Great Britain submitted to the Vichy puppet government

• Grom-class destroyers:
  ORP Grom (ORP Thunder)
  ORP Błyskawica (ORP Lightning), Today it is a museum ship standing in the port of Gdynia

• Wicher-class destroyers:
  ORP Wicher (ORP Wind)
  ORP Burza (ORP Storm), A museum ship during communism in Poland

• G-class destroyers:
  ORP Garland (ORP Garland, before HMS Garland), Received from the British Navy

• Hunt II-class destroyers:
  ORP Kujawiak (ORP Kujawiak, before HMS Oakley), Received from the British Navy
  ORP Krakowiak (ORP Krakowiak, before HMS Silverton), Received from the British Navy
  ORP Ślązak (ORP Ślązak, before HMS Bedale), Received from the British Navy

• M-class destroyers:
  ORP Orkan (ORP Hurricane, before HMS Myrmidon), Received from the British Navy

• N-class destroyers:
  ORP Piorun (ORP Lightning [In Polish, the words "Błyskawica" and "Piorun" mean the same], before HMS Nerissa), Received from the British Navy

This is a Polish navy in world war two my guys

[visual rover]

The Royal Netherlands Navy🇳🇱 in ww2 ships have:

• HNLMS De Ruyter (1935 Light Cruiser)

• Tromp class Light Cruisers/Destroyer Leader:
  HNLMS Tromp (C804)
  HNLMS Jacob van Heemskerck (C803)

• Java class Light Cruisers:
  HNLMS Java
  HNLMS Sumatra

• Admiralen class Destroyers:
  HNLMS Van Ghent (1926)
  HNLMS Kortenaer (1927)
  HNLMS Witte de With (1928)

• Zwaardvisch class/T class Submarines:
  HNLMS Tijgerhaai (P336) [before: ex-HMS Tarn P326]
  HNLMS Zwaardvis (S814) [before: ex-HMS Talent P322]

• O 19 class Submarines:
  HNLMS O 19
  HNLMS O 20

[tribal mortar]

1. Day asking developers to add a Dutch and Polish Navy in Azur Lane

[visual rover]

I hope they will add Netherlands🇳🇱 and Poland🇵🇱 Ships be in Azur Lane

[manic latch]

Not sure if Poland even exists in AL

Or Netherlands in that matter

Given IB is basically steroid Germany

[tribal mortar]

I suspect that these would probably be sub-factions, a bit like sub-trees in War Thunder

Probably in the Royal Navy

[visual rover]

Netherlands East Indies (Indonesia) is former Netherlands colony. The Japanese fleet Attack Allied fleet in 1942 “Battle of the Java Sea”

[manic latch]

Indonesia in colony form as a Faction lol

[tribal mortar]

Because if someone give a Poland on sub-faction to USSR... I'm going to start blasting

[manic latch]

Which would be more logical lol

Poland either use ships from British or Ussr

[tribal mortar]

What the fuck are you talking about, Stalin would never give us a fucking ship. Even though we were on the Allied side, the Soviet Union robbed Poland of land, resources and people, and the effects of communism are still felt today, as in other communist countries.

[manic latch]

Nah here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cold_War_destroyers_of_Poland

4 of those were USSR origin

2 were British and American

[tribal mortar]

Our navy fought for the fucking tea makers (For example, ORP Piorun took part in sinking the battleship Bismarck), and then when we were no longer fucking useful, they disbanded the Polish Armed Forces in the West and sold us to Stalin, just like Romania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, East Germany and Bulgaria, and indirectly Finland

[tribal mortar]

Is Azur Lane a game about the Second World War navy or the Cold War for fuck's sake?

WORLD WAR TWO NAVY

[manic latch]

Uhh no

We also have pirate ships and ww1 ships

They will likely pass cold war later

[tribal mortar]

Ok, but not cold war ships

[manic latch]

Yet

Current exception is ships that finished in cold war

[tribal mortar]

So currently Poland would be a better fit as a sub-faction to the Royal Navy

Because in second world war we have lot of British ships

And none Soviet

[manic latch]

How many of them are DD tho

Since that's what you need to have shipgirl

[eternal veldt]

No offence, Poland and the Netherlands are a far way from AL

We don't even have any commonwealth ships yet

[tribal mortar]

If they add Cold War ships, they can create a separate subfaction: communist Poland

[eternal veldt]

and AL decided to trash the chance with Shropshire retrofit anyway

Enjoy your next Plan Z ship

[tribal mortar]

We are discussing here what would happen if

[manic latch]

Ye even China barely lives on because kinda Dev bias caused them to be added

They might rise when cold war however

[eternal veldt]

I don't think we're scraping that bottom of the barrel yet - and I'd prefer the Polish either as an independent faction or put into a pan-european nation

[manic latch]

Ye up to the lore what happened to Poland, either under control of IB or NP or still exists somehow but never mentioned

[eternal veldt]

Norway, for example, also has a good contingency of ships from Britain

Stord being a famous example

[tribal mortar]

Pan-European faction? Hey, that sounds like a plan. Faction of Poland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Yugoslavia, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Greece, Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia

[manic latch]

They had like 21 DD I think

[eternal veldt]

You can always split them up even more if you like - again, the main issue is that I don't see them adding a new faction any time soon

[tribal mortar]

Poland exists as the Polish government in exile, the so-called London government

[eternal veldt]

How Italy is being handled is already downright insulting

[manic latch]

They hinted Imperiya (Tsar Navy) in Soyuz event but that likely can appear like SMS in IB under same flag again

I think Canada was only sub Faction that was referenced

Maple smh

Maple Monarchy

[eternal veldt]

from Fortune's lines, yes

[tribal mortar]

Fun Fact: Japan refused to accept Poland's declaration of war

[eternal veldt]

I know an Aussie here who would shit blood just to get an Amphion into the game

or, you know, Canberra

[manic latch]

[eternal veldt]

The question is if Manjuu dumb enough to add the Baltimore Canberra first before the Australian one

[tribal mortar]

In my opinion, a pan-European faction is a good idea, but will the developers think that merging 15-20 nations together is a good idea?

[eternal veldt]

You want my non-serious take?

[tribal mortar]

Yes xD

[eternal veldt]

Toss Yavuz in as an SSR, Averof as another SSR, Dubrovnik/Split as an SR

Already good enough for a mini event - and I know they won't toss Yavuz and Averof in together

[manic latch]

I am betting Yavuz would be added as original German form in IB

They gonna need ships for future IB contents

[eternal veldt]

Or we go silly mode and add Resadiye in

[tribal mortar]

We need to search a ships from all of this countries

[eternal veldt]

or what is it again....right, Sultan Osman

[manic latch]

No way man

Agincourt gonna be British

[eternal veldt]

Manjuu can do their research if they are desperate

question is if they'll do it, or just be lazy and shit out another Plan Z ship

[tribal mortar]

I guess they are don't desperate so

SEARCHING GOES BRRR

[manic latch]

Scheer doesn't exist in game still

After that they will either go more SMS or Z plan

[eternal veldt]

Of course she isn't

She's the last German capital ship left

[manic latch]

Yup

[eternal veldt]

Unless you want to deal with Emden II

[manic latch]

[eternal veldt]

which is already a can of worms with how SMS Emden is handled

[manic latch]

They gonna milk H class alot

39 started as being UR

Either 5 more UR 39 or they will actually go into 42 or more

[alpine onyx]

Could use a Type 1944 DD

[eternal veldt]

Shhhh

Hermes

[ivory ridge]

Do they tho

Do they really

[visual rover]

HNLMS Banckert in ww2 this destroyer captured by IJN in 1942
Rename: Patrol Boat No. 106
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_Banckert_(1929)

[spring briar]

Still can’t believe they gave em another P class

[autumn sorrel]

I dunno about the Poles but the Dutch does have interesting design and idea

[fierce quartz]

Same with the Czechoslovak Navy.

But, they got only river monitors (not counting the WW1 Tátra-class DDs), so it is expected.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ptmASUeg9E

[supple sandal]

The Soviet Union is multiple countries and ethnicity in a trenchcoat

But yeah it happened irl

And it is the Soviet, not a bunch of random small west European countries

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtOstlmOc98

[signal wave]

Even if its a April fools joke, this is cool

[twin oxide]

Anyone know what happened at the battle for kula gulf

[warm minnow]

that's from the movie Godzilla minus one

[fierce quartz]

Helena sunk

[steel rapids]

[hushed rune]

https://x.com/USSArizona/status/1774879387743297889?t=tjDEV6KDDdQ9UEk0DtPDPA&s=33

USS Arizona (@USSArizona) on X

It is with profound sadness that we report that Lou Conter, the last survivor of the USS Arizona has passed away at his home in Grass Valley, California. Surrounded by family in his final hours, Lou lived a long and distinguished life. Fair winds and following seas Lou. 🇺🇸⚓️

Twitter · Apr 1, 2024, 7:19 PM

May he rest in peace

[fierce quartz]

o7

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1774617059038494842

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1992, USS Missouri was decommissioned. Because Missouri was the site of Japan's formal surrender in 1945, she was moved to Pearl Harbor near the wreck of USS Arizona where the two battleships now symbolize the beginning and end of America's involvement in WWII.

Twitter · Apr 1, 2024, 1:57 AM

[fierce quartz]

Oh, the Missouri RIP

[naive rampart]

They are all together again

[visual rover]

If Netherlands ww2 warships have design girl ships for Azur lane will be in Azur lane World. What they are look like characters i think they will look cute and i want to see it

[worldly plover]

102 is such a crazy age bro. RIP.

[visual rover]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Java_Sea
Battle of the Java Sea 1942
in “Java sea, Netherlands East Indies (Indonesia)”

Netherlands Light Cruisers:
HNLMS De Ruyter (1935)
HNLMS Java (1921)

Netherlands Destroyers:
HNLMS Kortenaer (1927)
HNLMS Witte de With (1928)

[worldly plover]

Only the ships who fought in the world wars are added to game?

[strong sable]

we also have

[worldly plover]

What's that?

[fierce quartz]

And paper ships too.

Aka ships that never left blueprint stage looks at the PR/DR ships and UvH

[worldly plover]

Ohh

[autumn sorrel]

Revo mean Tempesta faction, basically Age of Sail ship

[worldly plover]

Oh okay

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWc88h2sJE

[strong sable]

Yes, thanks for explanation

[desert agate]

HMS Centaur

HMS Perseus

Couple of other post war ships floating around too

[fierce quartz]

Don't forget the WoWs originals

[desert agate]

napkins dont count as warships im afraid

centaur and perseus were actually built, commissioned and saw active service

i will happily forget the napkin trash that has ruined AL

[fierce quartz]

Blame WG for that.

I hate WoT, because they made up tanks that never were even created as BPs. The whole Czechoslovak HT line is a made-up web of lies

[ivory ridge]

At this rate we're gonna have more non-PR paper ships than PR ones

every german event is over half of a PR seasons in made up garbage

[fierce quartz]

UvH is literally that case

[ivory ridge]

Uvh was laid down

im talking about even worse stuff

in the last year alone we got ELEVEN ships that werent even laid down

(forgot to arrow the 3 chinese ones)

[ivory ridge]

and this is GACHA ONLY

no PR ships

11 gacha full papers vs 5 PRs

[fierce quartz]

Also, I think that river monitors might start appearing soon as well

[ivory ridge]

Add the new P class as well and thats 12 ships

[fierce quartz]

AL was cursed by WoWs

[ivory ridge]

now add these, also from the same year, 5 more

weirdly enough last year had no launched-only ships added

[fierce quartz]

What about Laffey II?

[ivory ridge]

she's real

I despise how they did the II ships but theyve all been real except Bisko

and to an extent northampton

[fierce quartz]

You said that no launched-only ships were added. I just wanted to remind you that there was at least 1 added

[ivory ridge]

I think you misunderstood

Launched only means the ship was launched but not commissioned

this is laffey 2

doesnt seem like it matches the description now does it

these are the launched ships

[autumn sorrel]

Owari tho

And I am a sucker for Kii class

[ivory ridge]

not even the fakest Kii class

[autumn sorrel]

Now we need the 4th Yamato class ship

[ivory ridge]

we do not need anything japanese actually but we cant do that so eh

[autumn sorrel]

So you want the Dutch BC?

[ivory ridge]

what kind of logical leap is that

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, I don’t mind more Blondie

At this rate, we are running out of BB and BC, only thing left are the Essexes and DD

[fierce quartz]

I think that the Tátra-class DDs might have a big chance appearing in an IB event

[autumn sorrel]

Pfffft

[ivory ridge]

why would they

[autumn sorrel]

They can still pull out many more 1936

[ivory ridge]

hell they have more chances to be in a fucking italian event

they have literally

[autumn sorrel]

Or 1936 derivative

[ivory ridge]

no connections

with the germans

but 4 out of 5 were transferred to italy

lol

now

[autumn sorrel]

PIT like hearing that

[ivory ridge]

AL doesnt do captured/war prize ships

but thats still a better connection than

???

nothing?

like just cuz the AH had a similar navy name?

[fierce quartz]

Still, they have a better chance to appear than river monitors like President Masaryk

[ivory ridge]

but also to come back to this

yes

i would rather have a dutch event with the dutch BCs

than another garbage 70%+ paper german event

or more Japanese URs

[fierce quartz]

Inb4 Piorun is added

[ivory ridge]

too bad the devs only like those

[autumn sorrel]

Saying that and Manjuu invent a new faction like Tempesta but with Ironclad

[fierce quartz]

WoWs addicts

[autumn sorrel]

And half of the paper aren’t even real, unlike the Dutch ones

[ivory ridge]

it's not even wows, they are just a bunch of wehrbs that also want to drain the japanese fanbase of all their money

[autumn sorrel]

JP = biggest Wehrbro community

[fierce quartz]

Not Tojoboo community?

[autumn sorrel]

They kinda more iffy about IJN, plus this is still a CN game, we can’t be like KC and literally gaslighting history blatantly like they did

KC is notorious for writing their lore to be IJN friendly

[ivory ridge]

we have like

2 of the strongest entities in the AL world being 2 japanese URs

we arent that far

[autumn sorrel]

Yes, but:

1. They are the best Floof
2. We haven’t rewrite Midway to make it a IJN victory

[ivory ridge]

they rewrote midway to not matter at all

again that's not that far

[autumn sorrel]

[fierce quartz]

Yorktown still dies in the game, but she lives in the anime.

I'm sticking with the game on that.

[autumn sorrel]

Nah, she is a amputee in the anime and game lore

[worldly plover]

Could they add modified majestic-class INS Vikrant?

[ivory ridge]

no

[worldly plover]

oh

[autumn sorrel]

Maybe, but Indian post independent ship name doesn’t count

[worldly plover]

I see

[autumn sorrel]

So at best, she will be in with her original name

[worldly plover]

I was just surprised to see there wasn't a single Indian ship lolz

[worldly plover]

There is a Hercules in the game if I remember correctly

Yeah

The light carrier

[ivory ridge]

we have Yorktown 2 so it doesnt even matter anymore

[fierce quartz]

It is also kinda disrespectful that the Chinese were found looting PoW's wreck.

[autumn sorrel]

Bc the Dominion Navy basically doesn’t exist and any fleet unit of notable operations strength are already roped in and serve in the RN already

[worldly plover]

I see

[autumn sorrel]

In SEA, as despicable as it sound, people have different view about ship wreckages, they don’t see it as war graves but more like a pile of scrap metal that nobody use so they might as well make money out of it.

[fierce quartz]

The curious part was that they mostly took the ammo.

It is as if they want a BB of their own or something like that.

[autumn sorrel]

It is a shit mentality but barely anyone over here know the history about those wrecks and even if they do, they just gonna justify it as reparation for colonial rule.

[worldly plover]

Ships have quickly became one of my favorite things for some reason

[autumn sorrel]

Unregulated explosive sell on Black Market, if those can still be safe enough to reuse, they don’t care. Plus the steel are all pre Hiroshima so it is very valuable

[remote monolith]

and it already backfired spectacularly at least once

last month here a scrapyard exploded catastrophically thanks to someone trying to saw throuhg a WWII seamine that somehow got there

[fierce quartz]

Bruh moment

For the dude that put it there, thinking that it's safe

[frozen kestrel]

🎵 Dumb ways to die 🎵

[autumn sorrel]

Vietnamese sawing unexploded ordnance from Vietnam War era

As matter of fact, the sawing unexploded bomb thing was so prevalent that they go as far to tell people to not fuck with those on TV, for yrs.

[frozen kestrel]

Yep, and some dude in the Midwestern US died sawing through a hand grenade he found

[eternal veldt]

Not just ammo, the turrets were also salvaged, and these are the relatively easier parts to get from a wreck

the main attraction is that this is low-backround steel, same with the disappearing wrecks of Java Sea.

the second attraction is the shallow waters where both ships went down - It's not even enough for the crew to die a quick death because the water pressure isn't enough to rupture their lungs

[fierce quartz]

At least, both heroes of Taffy 3 were found deep enough to make excavation attempts extremely difficult

[eternal veldt]

so much so Repulse's length if placed vertically would stick out of the water

being deep and remote are two components, sure

low oxygen environments and areas without strong currents would also help

otherwise you'd have a titanic situation where the ship starts to crumble over time relatively quickly regardless

[runic ermine]

M30 Breda. Good idea behind it, terrible execution

[steel rapids]

The loading mechanism meh

[manic latch]

@tough quail American BMD-1

[steel rapids]

In other countries the government protect the people from the bomb in Vietnam the government protect the bomb from the people

[runic ermine]

20 round striper clip

[tough quail]

time traveller knocks over a vase

[steel rapids]

I hate loading a machine gun with stripper clip its so ridicules

[twilit vale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Z20ZPQjC0

[runic ermine]

May he rest in peace

[frozen kestrel]

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1775248380786090072

[steel rapids]

Sounds like something Rambo would do

[twin oxide]

A little challenge to see if anyone can name this ship

[shy grail]

Imperatritsa Mariya?

[supple sandal]

Dude, there is entire village depends on the bomb sawing industry

It is not "prevalent", it making money

Sorry I mean scraping market

[hearty yacht]

Gangut/October Revolution (Idk how to spell it in Russian)?

[frozen kestrel]

Rifled portion of Prinz Eugen's gun is done, now to S P E E E E N

[wintry moat]

Nice

[autumn sorrel]

Oktyabrskaya Revolyutsiya

[tribal mortar]

Nakajima C6N Saiun (Model 21 Prototype) on real life it was real or fake ? @manic latch

[subtle prawn]

Proposed iirc, but asking Pretz is a better idea since he's the plane man here

[tribal mortar]

Pretz?

I checking out but not know him

Not want ping him

[desert agate]

@chilly flower

femboy socks man your presense is requested

[chilly flower]

The C6N1-B Model 21 variant of the Saiun was a real proposal yes, but as far as I'm aware it remained a proposal only without any mockups or testing
A depiction of what it would have looked like with a torpedo

The baseline aircraft (C6N Saiun or "Myrt") meanwhile was real and saw service, albeit from land bases only

[tribal mortar]

Thank

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1775341130109907079

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1984, the Soviet carrier Minsk fired eight flares at USS Harold E. Holt (FF-1074) when the American frigate passed the Minsk at a distance of 300 meters. The Minsk was dead in the water of the South China Sea at the time. One flare almost hit the frigate's captain.

Twitter · Apr 3, 2024, 1:54 AM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1775183738931937499

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

HMS Iwo Jima? #OTD in 1982, Argentina invaded the Falklands. Revealed years later, Reagan had secretly prepared to give Thatcher the USS Iwo Jima if the Royal Navy needed it. The crew would have included U.S. "contract advisors" to operate the systems. https://t.co/b8JzOr1Hj0

Twitter · Apr 2, 2024, 3:29 PM

[frozen kestrel]

I reached out to the facility that housed Prinz Eugen's guns after they took them out of Turret Anton prior to Crossroads. I was hoping that at least one example was still around, but unfortunately, I don't think that's the case.

damn...

[frozen kestrel]

Okay, so despite my earlier message, I DID find a source saying the gun was still on permanent display as of 2009, so the search continues! I also found a general area to look for it in (Between the lot in the top right and the bottom left quarter)

[frozen kestrel]

Currently contacting the NHHC to see if I can get any leads

[tribal mortar]

It was tested or abandoned

[frozen kestrel]

One of them was tested and scrapped, the other was put on permanent display, as seen here in 1968

[tribal mortar]

Course it

I knew it something

[manic latch]

https://vxtwitter.com/Tank_Archives/status/1775563889029062656?t=s0vCCooHOHRkfr2pzyKJEg&s=19

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1775609288708235285

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

In 1940, the Mahan-class destroyer USS Tucker (DD-374) hoisted improvised sails to stretch the fuel supply and help relieve monotony while cruising in the Pacific. The Tucker managed 3.4 knots under sail.
#WarshipWednesday

Twitter · Apr 3, 2024, 7:40 PM

[supple sandal]

So the first step to not fuck up in battle

Always assume that the enemy will attempt to do that exact one thing you wished they wouldn't do

[remote monolith]

obligatory mention that the Maginot line worked exactly as the French wanted and the Germans moved to the exact direction that they were hoping for

[mental tapir]

Curse Huntziger

Like a short summary of Huntziger work on the Ardenne region :

• Late on maintenance and construction of his section of the Maginot line
• Refused air support when offered
• put his least experienced troops on the least fortified area
• Ignored advance warning by French intelligence
• Called for a retreat while the line was holding

[spring briar]

Only issue is that half the best armies were supporting the dutch

[autumn sorrel]

Tbf to the French, Dien Bien Phu wasn’t Na San where they command the high ground but the terrain surrounding the valley was so inhospitable and hard to navigate that they assume that any gun heavier than a 75mm Mountain gun cannot be brought up.

It took 351st months to move their 105mm gun up the mountain to the firing position, the French was under false pretenses that PAVN will repeat Na San with a mass frontal attack and not a slow and methodical approach that Giap later use.

And French artillery still proved to be deadly in the opening battles of Dien Bien Phu where they inflicted heavy casualties on PAVN formations caught in the open.

[supple sandal]

Giap: They didn't expected the element of surprise

(jk)

[autumn sorrel]

Nah, Giap was called Red Napoleon for a reason, he was willing to commit troop and expect heavy casualties, then he will learn from that.

Giap was respected but anytime that man command, you’d better expect casualties to be huge.

[supple sandal]

But yeah if I was the french in Dien Bien Phu, I too would be damn if someone tow the damn artillery when there are literally no roads at all

[autumn sorrel]

There is literally pic and film records of entire company using rope towed the gun up

But yeah, the huge surprise was the 351st, its engineers improve old road to make it possible for the continuous supply to coming in Dien Bien Phu and the gun was put into dug out firing position that were well camouflaged.

Funnily enough, as far as I know, Giap didn’t know about Vauban at the time but his tactic later on at Dien Bien Phu could be called Vauban-esque, where to avoid the casualties of his early attack, he ordered trenches to be dig. Trenches that encircled French position and even assault trench for attack troop to take cover in.

A bit irony isn’t it, 2 century later and Vauban still prove that his tactic of besieging a stronghold is the best but this time, French is the one who is besieged.

[supple sandal]

History rhythm

[runic ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/classic-back-to-the-future-bttf-marty-mcfly-ive-seen-this-one-gif-19802188

[steel rapids]

The fucking Vietnamese just don't give up and pull the the arty by hand on to the nearby hills

[runic ermine]

you got to admire their detecation tbh

[steel rapids]

Well im Vietnamese and im proud of that

[manic latch]

@tough quail

https://vxtwitter.com/ChungTzuW/status/1775873480661098498?t=J19Dr87x3Ls5UW9dfqDMlw&s=19

[fierce quartz]

And one of the most important steps to not fuck up a war:

Do not abandon strategic positions that you've just won, leaving them open for the enemy to take back and harass you from again in a few hours.

[steel rapids]

But make sure you have a strong force to defend against counter attack

[frozen kestrel]

Are there any good diagrams of the internals of the turrets used on the Admiral Hipper-class?

[runic ermine]

Like a cross-section or blueprints?

[frozen kestrel]

Either or both would be nice

[rapid junco]

So
I have been searching like crazy
What was the name of a pact of the Cold war
Of the US
That is similar to the lend & lease
But its more about sales and transfer of material rather than lend & lease?

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1775914806614061497

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1776051008839315478

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

"New Frontiers for SEAPOWER" was a slide presentation produced by the Navy in 1960 to describe how the ships and planes of the Fleet were the "fingers of our Nation's military fist."
#ThrowbackThursday

Twitter · Apr 5, 2024, 12:55 AM

[rapid junco]

The Silent Service series opening

[visual rover]

Royal Netherlands Navy Frigate: “HNLMS Tromp F-803” have mission escort cargo ships in Red Sea
(modern De Zeven Provinciën class Air-Defence and Command Frigate)

[visual rover]

https://youtu.be/tOh-Um-y9do?si=1hAAmXdduyot5TPs

[desert agate]

been on that ship

only ship to have been comissioned into the RAN on permanent display in another country

[visual rover]

HNLMS Abraham Crijnssen is only survival ship from ww2 now this ship is a museum

[desert agate]

And she was commissioned into the RAN for a brief period between 1942-44

[visual rover]

She has service by Australian navy just 2 years

[versed tree]

The best mascot

[desert agate]

And she remains a symbol of the cooperation between Australia and the Netherlands and remains the only ship of the RAN on display in another country

A very good museum I'd note

I enjoyed my time there

[rustic osprey]

Oh that’s adorable

Where is it at again?

[desert agate]

Den Helder Netherlands

[rustic osprey]

Dope

[desert agate]

ship is the Abraham Crijnssen

a very brief service life with Australia but notable nonetheless

she had a very interesting time under Australian command too, mostly operating with the Australian Corvettes or alongside the few surviving Dutch ships that had also been commissioned into the RAN

[rustic osprey]

Smallest ship I’ve been on was the Sacksville when we went up to Halifax

[visual rover]

I have visit this ship is long times
Im live in Den Bosch (‘s-hertogenbosch), Netherlands

[rustic osprey]

Beautiful Flower Class

[desert agate]

I've yet to go aboard a Bathurst in spite of it being my favourite class of ship

last time I was in Sydney the Bathurst they have was shut and I didnt have time to visit last time I was in Melbourne

I've been on Diamantina in Brisbane though

final surrender of WW2 was signed on her deck

[rustic osprey]

She ain’t a bad looking ship

[visual rover]

This photo ‘Day of the Royal Netherlands Navy’ in Den Helder 2023 i have visit frigate “HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën F-802”

[unkempt sedge]

Anyone know if the IJN had any ship mascots for their ships like the U.S. and Royal Navy? Be curious to know.

[desert agate]

in what way?

[unkempt sedge]

Basically like Venus on HMS Vansittart.

Any sort of animal mascot. Dogs, Cats, Rabbits (HMCS Haida had one), etc.

[eternal veldt]

Maya had a monkey temporarily.

The senior officers did not like it very much.

[unkempt sedge]

I could see why. Monkey's can be pretty vicious.......

[eternal veldt]

Not quite the reason - the air crew taught it to salute the officers.

[unkempt sedge]

The crew must have had a fun time trolling them with that monkey.

[fierce quartz]

I also heard somewhere that the Canadians fired maple-flavored snowballs at the Japs

[unkempt sedge]

Knowing the IJN sailors if they could, would probably train that monkey to flip off IJA officers

[manic latch]

WWII veteran Richard "Bud" Peterson, who was a P-51 pilot with the 357th Fighter Group

[runic ermine]

Where? In the Aleutian Islands?

[unkempt sedge]

Japanese probably would have thought it was just yellow colored or feces stained snow.

Canadian trolling at it's finest if true

[fierce quartz]

I think it was, since the Japs made fun of Canadian navy during WW2

[runic ermine]

What did they say about it?

[fierce quartz]

They literally fired maple-flavored snowballs at the Japs

[runic ermine]

And?

Who lost more carriers?

[unkempt sedge]

Sounds somewhat delicious actually

I mean snow is just ice crystals. Basically maple flavored water when melted.

[ivory ridge]

[narrow rover]

Can someone link me to what the sources are?

Someone said this... and I don't know where he found the info.

[fierce quartz]

Might be the infamous Trust me bro™️

[remote monolith]

its on the wiki page

Although Little Boy exploded with the energy equivalent of around 15 kilotons of TNT, in 1946 the Strategic Bombing Survey estimated that the same blast and fire effect could have been caused by 2.1 kilotons of conventional bombs: "220 B-29s carrying 1.2 kilotons of incendiary bombs, 400 tons of high-explosive bombs, and 500 tons of anti-personnel fragmentation bombs."[72] Since the target was spread across a two-dimensional plane, the vertical component of a single spherical nuclear explosion was largely wasted. A cluster bomb pattern of smaller explosions would have been a more energy-efficient match to the target.[72

I can't comment on how accurate the survey is though as the wiki didn't give any further info

the report does exists and is publicly available

https://www.anesi.com/ussbs01.htm

[mortal steppe]

helo i was told to go here

[loud magnet]

fun fact: there was a myth during ww2 that eating carrots made ur eyesight better, as the brits wanted to fool the germans that because they ate carrots, they were able to see their bombers, while in reality they used the Dowding System radar

carrots were mostly eated at that time also because of rationing

most of the meat was sent to the frontlines

[mortal steppe]

carrots technically maintain eyesight

[loud magnet]

real

but it doesnt make ur eyesight better

it makes ur eyes adjust better at night

[mortal steppe]

yeah and "victory gardens" were reused sorta like WW1

[loud magnet]

which was why the brits fooled the germans that they could see their bombers at night

while they just used radar lol

[mortal steppe]

lmao

[loud magnet]

mfs trolled the whole world

[mortal steppe]

I mean while the british were brilliant you can't argue the fact that germany was way ahead of its time

it just didn't have the resources to mass produce

[loud magnet]

britain used the radar in june 15, 1935

[mortal steppe]

while the Me-262A1 was absolutely horrible with fuel efficiency, it was the first jet to ever be used in a combat mission

[loud magnet]

germans did it in 1904

[loud magnet]

no, it was the ME-163

[mortal steppe]

the Me-163 came later

[loud magnet]

nvm it WAS the ME-262

[mortal steppe]

it's a rocket fuel powered sonofagun and its fuel efficiency is even worse

[loud magnet]

germany developed some weird jet aircraft

Horten-229

[mortal steppe]

its 30mm armaments were also quite

ehem

inaccurate

but then again it's to be expected, no one's gonna be sniping planes out of the sky with automatic tank shell dispensers

[loud magnet]

HE-162 was mostly composed of wood, as metal was scarce near the end of WW2

put together with glue

"lets strap a jet engine on wood and put it together with glue"

Blohm & Voss designed some weird planes 💀

yucky

[mortal steppe]

lmao

[loud magnet]

and ofc we cant forget the flying boats

[mortal steppe]

tell that to the two fuselage mustang

[loud magnet]

[mortal steppe]

ok the same thing but with Bf109s

[loud magnet]

yes

XP-55

japan also had the same version called the J7W1

[gloomy current]

Thats like calling the Gloster Meteor the same version as the Messerschmidt 262

[loud magnet]

same design i meant

kinda similar

[gloomy current]

#al-art

[strong island]

On April 1, 2024 the last surviving member of the original crew of the uss arizona sadly passed away at the age of 102 years old

I know I'm a few days late sorry bout that

[steel rapids]

What the fuck is this design

[loud magnet]

idk ask the germans 😭🙏

[loud magnet]

fly high 💐

RIP

[steel rapids]

I know they make wunderwaffle but this?! Well its way too much for me

[loud magnet]

[spring briar]

No

[rapid junco]

We are not far behind
I think next year will be the definitive end for the A-1 AMX here

[desert agate]

Well that's just wrong

The first kill for a 262 was in November, it took over 6 months for the squadron to go from receiving its aircraft to becoming operational

The first Meteor kill was 2 months earlier and the squadron only took a matter of weeks to work up

[desert agate]

They did not

[spring briar]

Bruh

Thats just the first ever use

[loud magnet]

💀

[spring briar]

You donut

[loud magnet]

nvm

[spring briar]

1936 is what you’re looking for

[loud magnet]

gordon im gonna shove a whole beef wellington up ur nose

[desert agate]

An experiment using radio waves does not equate to in any way shape or form a usable radar system

[loud magnet]

☝️🤓

[loud magnet]

[desert agate]

You're in #history mate

[loud magnet]

i know

[desert agate]

This isn't an art or meme channel

[sullen canyon]

Ah yes, Samuel D. Porter, the one who tried to kill Iowa by accident

[loud magnet]

#al-art

[loud magnet]

💀

[supple sandal]

Also the US president

[sullen canyon]

And that's a KanColle version of what happened that day of sorts

[supple sandal]

I mean out of all the possible targets, why you must target the ship with the president on it

Yeah even if he want to see some torpedo exercise

[sullen canyon]

Because you thought there was a sub nearby and fired a torpedo because of it

[loud magnet]

they accidentally fired it

i sense a "no shit" reply

[sullen canyon]

Oh right, and everyone thought there was a sub in the area because of it

[loud magnet]

[desert agate]

That was a different incident where she accidentally fired depth charges

I believe the incident is quite disputed though

[sullen canyon]

I'm rolling those incidents that she caused into one apparently

[mortal steppe]

Factually incorrect, the Me-262 was operational and was used in combat by November of 1944

[runic ermine]

The same people who made japan win midway

[mortal steppe]

Meteor did NOT get a kill before that time

[runic ermine]

August 4 1944 it down two V1

[mortal steppe]

V1 rockets are unmanned

they don't count as "kills"

"The Messerschmitt Me 262 was the first operational jet fighter, manufactured by Germany during World War II and entering service on 19 April 1944 with Erprobungskommando 262 at Lechfeld just south of Augsburg."

[desert agate]

Mate

Even if it's unmanned it's still proof that the Meteor was combat operational and in combat missions

[mortal steppe]

First kill does not equate to it being combat operational lmao

[desert agate]

The Meteor was combat operational

And achieved its kill as a normal squadron operation

The Me.262 supposedly entered service in April but didn't get its first kill until November

[mortal steppe]

the main purpose of the Gloster Meteor was to counter the V-1 rockets, not take down other planes

[desert agate]

And..?

[mortal steppe]

the Me-262A1-a and the A2-a were made for just that

V1 kills didn't count lmao

[desert agate]

It's still an operational fighter that was in service before the 262

[mortal steppe]

"fighter" is wrong

[desert agate]

What the plane shot down is irrelevant

No it isnt

[mortal steppe]

its title as a "fighter" is a joke

[mortal steppe]

oh right so I can just shoot down a drone and call it a kill nowadays, how modest

[desert agate]

The Meteor was a fighter that was designed to and used to shoot down other aircraft

The fact that it's first kill was on a missile is irrelevant to the fact that it was operational and in combat service before the 262, by about 2 months

[mortal steppe]

lmao no

[desert agate]

Yes, that is how most air forces count kills

[mortal steppe]

that was after its experimental stages, where it was actually made for air to air combat against manned aircraft

and for most of the war it was

initially the Meteor was used against V-1 rockets but was repurposed due to the dwindling V-1 attacks

it wasn't designed for air to air as early as you say it was

[desert agate]

Firstly interceptors are still fighters, just different kinds of fighters
Secondly by the time Meteor was operational in August (which the 262 was not) the Luftwaffe was banned from operating West of the Rhine, and as 616sqn was based in England at that time its natural that it's first operational deployments would be against V1s as it was well suited to that role
Thirdly, the meteors development far proceeded the V1 attacks, the squadron was put to work doing what was needed

[mortal steppe]

I am very well aware of the concept of interceptors.
My point is that the Meteor was NOT an air to air for manned engagements until later on

[desert agate]

And that's irrelevant

[mortal steppe]

still correct

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[desert agate]

It's also wrong

[mortal steppe]

what now

[desert agate]

The f.1 was a proper fighter and it achieved a number of air to air kills on manned aircraft

Which it was designed to do

[mortal steppe]

initially it was not

I keep telling you this, it was not designed for air to air in its initial stages

which was for most of the war, where it did not see a manned air to air kill before the Me-262

[desert agate]

The presence of a person does not remove the kill under combat conditions from a pilots record, this is and has been the case for decades

[mortal steppe]

you could argue that, I won't lie, but your saying of the Meteor's purpose is entirely incorrect lol

[desert agate]

I'm not arguing it, every air force on the planet is

[mortal steppe]

the Me-262 was the first operational jet fighter which was meant to be used against manned aircraft is what I mean

[mortal steppe]

"every" is jumping to conclusions, but sure, let's assume that

[maiden citrus]

I have ejected from my cockpit, your kill has been stolen

[mortal steppe]

cockpit ejection is essentially the same thing as a tank crew bailing

same thing

[spring briar]

Maka I had dawgs today

Yessir

[desert agate]

I have not seen a document that refers to the Gloster Meteor f.1 as anything but a fighter

[mortal steppe]

it fought V-1s

that's what it did

[desert agate]

irrelevant to the point

if you have a document in your posession that says the f.1 was a pure interceptor, please share it

[mortal steppe]

how is that irrelevant if you're saying that the meteor was designed for air to air combat

lol

[desert agate]

what the plane did and what it was designed to do are 2 different things

[mortal steppe]

I never claimed it to be PURELY for intercepting

[maiden citrus]

very nice

also I'm not sure what the argument is, how did the meteor shoot down the v1s?

[desert agate]

the plane was designed as a fighter, but it was never deployed onto the continent due to various operational restrictions and the complete lack of a luftwaffe for it to fight, so it was kept in England and used to fight the V1s because it had nothing else to do

[mortal steppe]

it did not get into air to air combat, not did it actively seek air to air combat

once it did, it was after the Me-262's first confirmed manned air to air kill

[maiden citrus]

the meteor destroyed v1s from the ground?

[desert agate]

correction, there was a deployment onto the continent in early 1945

[mortal steppe]

I'm specifying manned aerial vehicles

excluding V1 "kills"

the definition of the word kill is up to you

[desert agate]

an incorrect specification that goes against the general practice of the time

[maiden citrus]

flying war object shooting down another flying war object

[mortal steppe]

it's basically shooting down a missile without the magicfuckery of the advancements of adjustments during flight in later wars

[desert agate]

and again the point still stands, the meteor was the first operational jet fighter even if it, in your eyes, wasnt acting in the fighter role at that time

[maiden citrus]

in military context the term is often closer to 'destroy'

since even strikes that kill no enemy soldiers are certainly kills

[mortal steppe]

yes, I was wrong on that, but like I said

meteor wasn't meant to fight other combative aircraft

[desert agate]

and i sincerely disagree, as does the RAF and Gloster

its first deployment on the continent in Early 1945 was quite literally to hunt 262s

[mortal steppe]

do you perhaps know what the word "initially" means

it was REPURPOSED for air to air combat against manned targets

it wasn't meant to fight other aircraft

and i've said initially multiple times

during our conversation lol

[desert agate]

just because the mk1 wasn't used in that role doesn't make it any less a fighter, the only functional difference between it and the f.3 is the engine

the f.1s engines caused a high attrition rate that prevented deployment onto the continent, the f.3 fixed that and thus was deployed onto the continent

[mortal steppe]

I had never claimed to invalidate it being a fighter

I never said it wasn't a fighter

[mental tapir]

I didn't know the RAF already predicted V1s would happen back when the Meteor began development back in 1939

[desert agate]

[mortal steppe]

it was no secret that Germany was doing the same thing either

[desert agate]

if plane wasnt meant to fight other plane
then why called fighter?

[mortal steppe]

keyword wasn't

the RAF considered the meteor too precious to use in air to air engagements against manned aircraft until Germany's use of the Me-262 was eminent

the Meteor was one of the only planes which could keep up with the 262 and thus was used against it

[mortal steppe]

never knew the RAF would develop a plane which could easily overshoot its targets either on purpose

[desert agate]

no, they didnt. they just recognised that the mk.1s high attrition rate would prevent an economical deployment on the continent

[mortal steppe]

each plane has its optimal speed window and simply saying reducing speed is irrelevant lol

[mental tapir]

I'm pretty sure at least the British knew the Germans would field a jet powered fighter eventually, given that, y'know, one of the first jet-powered aircraft was German

So the Meteor could be a contingency in case their piston-powered counterparts weren't sufficient

[desert agate]

you are trying to hang onto the tiniest pedantic word usage to cleave some minor victory or concession out of this discussion, this is not productive for either of us
pedantry achieves nothing

[mortal steppe]

Yes, indeed they did, the Meteor was, for the most part, something the British wanted to keep away from the enemy's eyes

lol and you completely ignored the things i've disproven

ok

seems fair

[desert agate]

except when mere months later they deployed the reengined mk3 onto the continent

[mortal steppe]

in 'mere months' the nature of war can easily change

time is unforgiving and the concept of that isn't immune to it either

[desert agate]

you have 'disproven' nothing except your own understanding of the english dictionary

[mortal steppe]

claim all you want that you've 'won' whatever you call this but I find it entertaining lol

[desert agate]

the air war in Western Europe in July 1944 and January 1945 was not all that different except that the Luftwaffe had eaten shit even more than previously

[mortal steppe]

again, what does the .3 have to do with anything? we were talking about the meteor's initial purposes which you completely ignored

[mortal steppe]

the luftwaffe was virtually nonexistent by this time and most of their leftovers were to be used for the imminent invasion of the fatherland

that's not saying the aircraft weren't being used at all

[mental tapir]

Pretty sure "initial use" is quite different from "initial purpose"

[desert agate]

[mental tapir]

Again, I doubt the RAF developed Meteor solely to destoy drones/missiles

[mortal steppe]

"initial purpose" can change with the time frame

lol

[desert agate]

the f.1 was a fighter, that was its purpose, it was never deployed against other combat aircraft because it never had the opportunity

[mental tapir]

What does "initial" mean?

[mortal steppe]

you could say that from 1939, yes, the RAF would have looked to use the meteor for air to air

as time went on (where the meteor was actually being put to use), its purpose was to take down V1s

[mental tapir]

Hence, initial use, but subsequent purpose

[mortal steppe]

beforehand. as time went on, its purpose changed

[mental tapir]

[desert agate]

the purpose never changed

the use did

again

this is pedantry

and unproductive

[mortal steppe]

the purpose of the meteor during 1939 was to combat anything that was of similar caliber when it was to be used, but was later changed to being optimized to take down V1s. once V1 rocket attacks were all but virtually nonexistent, it was repurposed for it was originally planned for all those years ago

[desert agate]

[mortal steppe]

you say that and yet you continue this, you don't have to continue if you think you've won

i'd be making a fool of myself in your eyes if you did, which would be nice if you sat back and ate popcorn while i did so lol

• oh man i forgot repurposed was a word!! total shock

[desert agate]

the Meteor was only used in the V1 interception role because it had nothing better to do
the f.1 was not in any way shape or form redesigned to accommodate the interception role better, nor was the f.3, they just happened to be well suited to the task thanks to their higher top speeds, and even then the meteor wasn't particularly good at the job with other types having pilots who were better trained for the role and as a result scored far more kills, which is why the moment the f.3 came about with the new engines, the meteor was deployed onto the continent and moved out of the V1 interception role

[mortal steppe]

"The F.1 was not in any way shape or form redesigned to accommodate the interception role better, nor was the F.3, they just happened to be well suited to the task thanks to their higher top speeds..."
the development of the engines were kept completely secret, and were started in 1936 aiming to find if jet powered aircraft were a possibility; it didn't "just so happen to be faster"

and from october on (1944), Meteors made mock attacks on bombing formations which what it was quite literally made for. they used altitude to find out if their speed was enough to rip through the bomber formation then break off and run away from their would-be attackers before they got a chance to shoot.

and you said "moved out of the V1 interception role", which ironically you've been attempting to disprove; with your logic, the word 'role' could be attributed to 'purpose'

got a snack, sorry it took so long to respond

[mortal steppe]

and no this isn't sarcasm, this is genuine

[desert agate]

the role an aircraft is acting in can be changed with something as simple as an order, a purpose is fundamental to the design of the airframe and takes considerable redesign effort to change

[mortal steppe]

that depends on what you're stating as a role, either its title or usage

[desert agate]

this meteor nf.11 for example, has a number of design features to shift the purpose of the airframe, where it is no longer a daytime fighter, its purpose has changed making it a night fighter

[mortal steppe]

yeah those are specialized variants

other meteors at the time were also modified to fit the aerial reconnaissance role

albeit only a small amount

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1776395180041486718

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

Today is National Nebraska Day. Named in honor of the Cornhusker State, the Virginia-class pre-dreadnought battleship USS Nebraska (BB-14) had one of the most unusual camouflage schemes ever applied to a U.S. Navy ship.
#NationalNebraskaDay

Twitter · Apr 5, 2024, 11:43 PM

[maiden citrus]

[loud magnet]

fighter
fighter/bomber
bomber
reconnaissance aircraft
transports/tankers
CAS (close air support)
stealth bomber
long range bomber
AWACS
airlift
surveillance
jet fighter
jet bomber
trainer
UAV
strike aircraft
helicopters
twin engine fighters
air defence fighter
interceptor
frontline
naval aircraft
dive bomber

planes are used for different stuff other than taking down other planes

for instance the fw 190 a-4 has rockets which was once used to fire at b-17s, and also at ground vehicles and infantry

[eternal veldt]

William D Porter's history is so bloated and exaggerated that it's rather difficult to tell what's myth, legend and actual facts.

The only two confirmed incidents per the NHHC is only the torpedo and kamikaze

and even then, there is plenty of signalling

On 12 November, she departed Norfolk and the following day rendezvoused with Iowa (BB-61). That battleship was on her way to North Africa carrying President Franklin D. Roosevelt to the Cairo and TeheranConferences. During battle drills on the afternoon of the 14th, William D. Porter inadvertently fired a live torpedo at Iowa. However, the destroyer signalled Iowa in plenty of time to allow the battleship to turn hard to starboard, parallel to the torpedo's wake. The torpedo exploded some 3,000 yards astern of the mighty man-of-war. William D. Porter completed her part in the mission and steamed west to Bermuda, where she arrived on 16 November.

[grave ravine]

In any event the piston engined counterparts were sufficient, P-51s and P-47s shat all over 262s

[shy grail]

By outnumbering them significantly, of course, as with any late 1944/1945 air battle

Unfortunately we missed out on a Meteor v Ar 234 fight

[junior trench]

this is new

"muh WAllies number spam" for the sake of being a Teaboo

[shy grail]

I mean, weren't most of the kills just done by camping over the airfields that the Me262 took off from?

Which would imply a numerically superiority, naturally

[grave ravine]

No, analysis of losses show most of them were at altitude

Though yes, the USAAF did tend to have numerical superiority of fighters, which uh really shouldn't surprise anyone

And doesn't detract from the fact that the extant USAAF fighter escorts were perfectly capable of handling the threat posed by the 262

[grave ravine]

In an analysis of JG7 losses, only 3 262s of the 23 known to be shot down by allied fighters were shot down over their airbases

https://youtube.com/watch?v=prSwmH3Rjas

[narrow rover]

Either the military enthusiast community is fucking tiny or I have some sort of luck that keeps me running into people I know already

[narrow rover]

That happened but for the most part it was probably just
Me262 isn't that overpowered compared to WAllied piston escorts like P51

[shy grail]

Isn't JG7 quite a small group though in comparison with the total number of fighter squadrons?

[narrow rover]

https://youtu.be/U7naFflRAkE?si=xqr-FwT2yTWbRdbQ

I found this video

[shy grail]

Looking at losses of all Me 262s in 1945, at least 4 happened shortly after takeoff and 4 on landing (described literally as such by Luftwaffe documents)

And then more than half lost/written off by allied ground attacks

[narrow rover]

TL:DR: Me-262s did quite well considering the circumstances
But overall it wasn't as OP as claimed

I honestly think 'kill' count is extremely unreliable anywhere you go lol

[shy grail]

Btw did anything happen on 4/4/1945? They lost like 18 Me 262s that day lol, and Luftwaffe documents noted it was in air combat

[narrow rover]

You have people trying to earn some fame, already damaged aircraft (which the guy formerly shooting at it considered a loss) being finished off by another guy, and air forces that straight up didn't care (Japanese anything)

[shy grail]

Yeah overclaiming in general on all sides

[narrow rover]

Especially in Germany where fame could take you really damn far
I heard guys like Hartmann could request their planes be modified and even choose where to fight

Also I swear @shy grail I thought I've seen you somewhere

[shy grail]

The Drydock

[narrow rover]

Yea haven't been there in a while lol

[shy grail]

I saw you got banned for ??? yeah

[narrow rover]

Shouldn't have been drinking at night

[shy grail]

IIRC for the Me 262 it was Jagdverband 44 that was the elite division

[narrow rover]

Maybe it's all related to the 'Leader Principle' but Germany really fucking hyperfocused on preserving whatever good pilots they had in hand

[grave ravine]

JG7 was the first, most written about, and claimed to be the most successful of the 262 units

It and JV44 were the two units thought of as elite

[supple sandal]

Is it me or during the cold war, both side only make plans for a counter attack and neither want to do the first move

[loud magnet]

prolly rammed into b-17s

which actually happened

there was a suicide bf-109 thing

Sonderkommando Elbe

a desperate act to take down as many b-17s as they could with stripped down bf-109s

they only had 1 machine gun which was basically useless 💀💀💀

fun fact

hitler wanted the me 262 to be a bomber

but hermann goring and other staff talked him out of him

hitler didnt know the me 262 was in production because no one told him until a while after

mf was mad and wanted to shut down the whole project 💀

later it was passed down to albert speer and the me 262 development was continued

man i love reddit

either theyre weird or theyre useful

[shy grail]

AskHistorians 9 years ago was before they implemented the massive QC in their answers

[shy grail]

Sounds like a typical r/warcollege response tbh

[shy grail]

Ramming amounted for only 3 losses total though

[loud magnet]

oh well i know the dark sides of reddit

basically 4chan

[loud magnet]

not only did they lose their planes they lost their pilots

planes, u can build

pilots, u have to get one and train

[manic latch]

Fun fact

US only joined jet gang because of British

They had like 0 interest until British shared an jet engine they build to US

It began the development of P59 (Horrible, outperformed by P38, P47, P51)

But lessons lead to P80

[cinder escarp]

Not... quite true. There were jet programs here before that - including a really interesting one that came as an outgrown of a steam engine program.

[manic latch]

Ye but

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_I-A

This literally came from British

[humble jewel]

All I can say is: turns like a brick

[manic latch]

https://vxtwitter.com/MilHistNow/status/1776550918424596869?t=SuwfPaRpqmBIugEUnbfTKw&s=19

That's like 1400 deaths per hour

[runic ermine]

@spring briar you'll like this
https://youtu.be/9saL7LRSVvg?si=vjGo-RFvja_TEXYA

[spring briar]

bruh

no

[runic ermine]

It's interesting

[spring briar]

I don't doubt it

but it's just such an armchair historian thing to make a video about

[visual rover]

Today 7 April 2001 (now 2024) is Brithday/Launched Day of the HNLMS Tromp F803”

[jagged inlet]

Sharpsburg in September had one casualty like every second for 8hr

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1776700825517047977

[runic ermine]

Wdym?

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1776733499254292966

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1917, the United States declared war against the German Empire. Naval Aviation consisted of 48 pilots, 239 enlisted men, and 54 planes. By the time the Armistice was signed 19 months later, the force had grown to 6,716 officers, 30,393 enlisted men and 2107 planes.

Twitter · Apr 6, 2024, 10:07 PM

[loud magnet]

P59 was first tested in 1942

britain and germany both had jet engines before the us

[manic latch]

Duh

[loud magnet]

the british gloster e 28 /39 flew on may 15, 1941

the us bell p59 flew on october 1, 1942

the germans flew the he 178 on august 27, 1939

[runic ermine]

So did Italy

[loud magnet]

italy 😭😭

their tanks were so shitty

[runic ermine]

Japanese tanks were worse

[loud magnet]

💀💀💀

theyre both ass

[cinder escarp]

Design work on this started in 1933, flew (as a steam engine) in 1934... was converted to turbojet by 1940.

[shy grail]

The L-1000 engine was only made starting in 1943

He only produced a much more primitive engine earlier

[steel rapids]

Bro

💀

Fucking McDonald's in China 1989

[fierce sparrow]

https://fxtwitter.com/ronkainen7k15/status/1776523920482644188

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1776817967377838124

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1945, aircraft from Task Force 58 shot down 249 Japanese planes at a cost of only two of their own. Between March 14 and May 28, TF 58 pilots shot down 1,640 planes, destroyed 619 on the ground, and damaged or probably destroyed another 1,000 for a total of 3,259. During…

Twitter · Apr 7, 2024, 3:43 AM

[fresh nest]

Anybody know what the thing on top of the turret is? It looks like part of the rangefinding equipment but I'm not entirely sure

[maiden citrus]

it is likely a test gun to simulate firing in practice

[manic latch]

Its a artillery training gun that people keep forgetting about

[runic ermine]

Whoever thought this up was definitely on something

[solid mango]

Gyat

[tardy flame]

n e i n

[visual rover]

Today 8 April 2000 (now: 2024) launched day/brithday of the frigate: “HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën F-802”

[tardy flame]

everywhere I go…

I find something that’s GuP

even though I’m not interested anymore…

h e l p

[visual rover]

If you want to visit ship is open only by “royal netherlands navy days” in Den Helder

[visual rover]

Uh,…. You mean girls und panzer??

[tardy flame]

indeed

[visual rover]

Right

[tardy flame]

as if I can’t escape it lol

[lime scarab]

Hay question was hms hood absolute when she was under construction and it was better just to build battleships?

[runic ermine]

Escape what?

[spring briar]

gup

[wintry moat]

Hood was built to rival the Imperial German Battlecruiser Mackensen

and after jutland proved that only 9” of belt armor wasnt up to snuff anymore

She went through a rebuild

which ballooned her up to 46,000 tons

and

having roughly even armor to the QE’s, a 30+ knots top speed

and 4 15 inch guns

Was, for her launch date

A realy good design

but thats just what i know

If i missed anything

lemme know

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1776817967377838124
https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1776996947947049300

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1945, aircraft from Task Force 58 shot down 249 Japanese planes at a cost of only two of their own. Between March 14 and May 28, TF 58 pilots shot down 1,640 planes, destroyed 619 on the ground, and damaged or probably destroyed another 1,000 for a total of 3,259. During…

Twitter · Apr 7, 2024, 3:43 AM

[rapid junco]

@manic latch

[manic latch]

Nice

[spring briar]

Krem

[steel rapids]

Ww1 what do you expect

[runic ermine]

It was 1941 actually

[steel rapids]

From which country

[runic ermine]

Guess

[steel rapids]

Australia

[runic ermine]

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/uk/m-o-i-moveable-maginot/

[steel rapids]

Bruh

[fierce quartz]

And here I thought that it was the TOG II

[steel rapids]

Lol

[rustic osprey]

hot

[runic ermine]

Ayanami is one of the destoryers that she sunk

[versed tree]

I know

That is why I put them in my fleet

[tardy flame]

GuP

https://youtube.com/shorts/p1pm-OqJPkk?si=7evufY0z3kra5p4n

[visual rover]

LCF-Fregatten (Luchtverdedigings- en CommandoFregatten) van De Zeven Provinciën klasse

ADCF-Frigates (Air-Defence and Command Frigates) of De Zeven Provinciën class
https://youtu.be/-5Pg176wpn8?si=FDAULX9BbVo_ED4D

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1777095762926616880

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

Happy National Beer Day. In 1944, the auxiliary minelayer HMS Menestheus was converted into a floating brewery to provide beer for British personnel in the Pacific, producing 250 barrels of "Davy Jones" ale a week. The two Royal Navy officers who oversaw the operation became the…

Twitter · Apr 7, 2024, 10:07 PM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1777150134612083009

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1989, a fire caused the Soviet sub K-278 Komsomolets to sink in the Barents Sea. 42 of the 69 submariners died. Most of of the crew had been able to abandon ship while the damaged sub was on the surface, but 34 men were lost to hypothermia while waiting to be rescued.

Twitter · Apr 8, 2024, 1:43 AM

[humble jewel]

They don't make cruisers like this no more. Missouri and Alaska

[autumn sorrel]

"Cruiser" Wink wink

[humble jewel]

"large" cruiser

[autumn sorrel]

Light Battleship

[runic ermine]

Yet not a battlecruiser

[alpine onyx]

Certainly haven't heard of people calling Missouri a cruiser

[runic ermine]

Alaska

[alpine onyx]

[humble jewel]

[humble jewel]

If Kirov-class is considered a battlecruiser, then how much more is an Alaska