Gives me an idea for a different auto loader design for the abrams
#history
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zealous vine
Interesting
Oh
Speaking about the CATTB
How large is it compared to a 'Brams V3?
shrewd pecan
think it totaled about 70 tons
shrewd pecan
it had a ETC gun that could be configured as either a 120 or a 140 MM
zealous vine
zealous vine
since I don't have its spec sheet on me rn
Did it have a "fast draw" autoloader system? (Able to fire 2-rounds in quick succession)
shrewd pecan
don't think it did
jagged monolith
Horrifying!
unkempt sedge
shrewd pecan
subtle prawn
jagged monolith
The cursed 16 https://x.com/Korea_Defense/status/1707880866129535479?s=20
So that's where all the optics are going!
subtle prawn
cunning salmon
Has the Leclerc ever saw battle?
manic latch
Has the Leclerc ever saw battle?
Yemen
It survived rather questionable tactics unlike Abrams however
Tho there was less Leclercs than Abrams there so that's also smh
shrewd pecan
I don’t think they were thrown into the same situations as well
Beyond that most of their service has been in various UN missions and NATO exercises
notably in Lebanon where they’ve been use to maintain the Israeli-Lebanese border
Lot of interesting pictures from that border
manic latch
zealous vine
What were the flaws of elevated gun platforms? (Looking at these, Challenger TRIGAT and US Light Tank prototypes)
shrewd pecan
what is the point of this
when fiber-optic guided missiles like spike were coming out during the time that thing was being tested
that were able to fire over obstacles like tree lines and buildings
manic latch
that were able to fire over obstacles like tree lines and buildings
But
You have to see it first no?
shrewd pecan
forward element or reconnaissance drone has to locate the enemy first in either situation
manic latch
While this giraffe doesn't need such devices
shrewd pecan
That Giraffe is still gonna need Reconnaissance elements to help spot for it regardless
manic latch
Perhaps
zealous vine
Fair
; how would you go about creating a dynamic between aircrafts and ships in games?
subtle prawn
manic latch
tough quail
ye
manic latch
Petrov using logic saves the world 
" Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov, who was on duty during the incident, dismissed the warning as a computer error when ground early warning radars did not detect any launches. Part of his reasoning was that the system was new and known to have malfunctioned previously; also, a full-scale nuclear attack from the United States would involve thousands of simultaneous launches, not a single missile.
Later, the system reported four more ICBM launches headed to the Soviet Union, but Petrov again dismissed the reports as false. The investigation that followed revealed that the system indeed malfunctioned and the false alarms were caused by a rare alignment of sunlight on high-altitude clouds underneath the satellites' orbits."
desert agate
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grave ravine
It survived rather questionable tactics unlike Abrams however
Its thought that only a few Leclercs were deployed by the UAE to Yemen, and Emirati troops are generally better than Saudi ones (though still not necessarily good). It is still thought that one or two Leclercs may have been lost though
grave ravine
shame we never got America's equivalent to spike NLOS
I mean our equivalent to Spike NLOS is probably ground launched hellfire
strong plank
Apparently the Reagan library in California has a nighthawk
Will have to take a pic when I go in December
warm finch
Whatever this designer had going on in his life, I just want to say, I understand.
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
manic latch
Turkish options were Leo2A6, M1A2 SEP Abrams, T-84-120, Leclerc
But Leo2A6TR had uhh problems with Germany
autumn sorrel
Is that the T-84 with carousel auto-loader?
manic latch
T-84 basically comes from diesel T-80
Tho it's using Nato 120mm
Depending on variant
Likely still having the carousel
autumn sorrel
Did they make any attempt to modify T-80 auto-loader for single piece ammunition?
manic latch
Don't think so
Since it may not simply fit
As for Turkish trials
T-84 lost because it couldn't do well compared to others, while it was cheap and had easy logistics. But I think diesel was disappointing
Leclerc lost because, low production number, French not really looking forward to cooperation, latest engine changes making future of tank uncertain
Abrams, had problems with integrating the 1650BG MTU engine, being export version meant it lost the DE armor it had, gas turbine version deemed too costly
Thus Leo2A6TR won
shrewd pecan
that T-84 uses a bustle rack autoloader
" The Yatagan is a further development of the Ukrainian Oplot MBT, fitted with a NATO compatible 120 mm smoothbore gun and a new bustle-mounted autoloader. The turret bustle is fitted with blow-out panels. These design features were first tested on an improved T-72-120 main battle tank. The Yatagan has a new 120 mm tank gun, that was developed in Ukraine to meet requirements of possible export customers."
" Its 120 mm gun is compatible with all standard NATO tank ammunition. The Yatagan can also fire Ukrainian-made anti-tank guided missiles in the same manner as ordinary projectiles. It is a special version of the Russian AT-11 Sniper anti-tank guided missile. A total of 40 rounds are carried for the main gun. Autoloader holds 22 of them. Remaining 16 rounds are stowed in additional stowage places inside the combat compartment."
No carousel loader
fierce sparrow
Thus Leo2A6TR won
Then they were working on the Altay program...
Didn't Germany made some sort of an engine embargo thing to Turkey?
supple sandal
How come western weapon systems always have cool initial
tough quail
because they try really, really hard to make backronyms work for marketing
manic latch
@tough quail Object 782
Basically a uparmored T-72 hull with BPM-3 turret and compartment for 7 crew
tough quail
la creatura
supple sandal
because they try really, really hard to make backronyms work for marketing
Well that worked
manic latch
la creatura
No, La creature is Object 781. Now it has 2 30mm guns and 2 Kornets
supple sandal
I am sold
manic latch
No, La creature is Object 781. Now it has 2 30mm guns and 2 Kornets
Sounds similar no?
supple sandal
No, La creature is Object 781. Now it has 2 30mm guns and 2 Kornets
Is it me or this shit actually look cursed
Having 2 turrets set me off
manic latch
Is it me or this shit actually look cursed
Afghanistan war showed BMP-1s didn't had the needed turret elevation for mountainous terrain and was weak to RPG hits. This design comes to solve it
supple sandal
(Look at the Shilka)
Wake up, we got work to do
grave ravine
T-84 lost because it couldn't do well compared to others, while it was cheap and...
I'd be surprised if Yatagan was actually all that much cheaper than 2a6 given the fire sale
edgy halo
that T-84 uses a bustle rack autoloader
You understand that this is nothing more than a modernization of the old T-72? And according to official data, only one test copy was made...
And given the current situation in Ukraine, they need to think about how not to slide into the Stone Age..
edgy halo
Afghanistan war showed BMP-1s didn't had the needed turret elevation for mountai...
The RPG is a legendary weapon that will remain relevant until the end of the century...
Did you know that Abrams were also destroyed by RPGs?)
subtle prawn
desert agate
100% cope
The reorganisation is entirely because army doesn't have enough manpower to keep its units operational
Maybe if ADF wasn't so bad at recruitment or retainment it wouldn't be as much of an issue
But when 50% of Australians aren't citizens and ADF won't recruit non citizens, it causes some problems
grave ravine
You understand that this is nothing more than a modernization of the old T-72? A...
I mean it's a modernization of the T-80UD, and yeah one prototype was made because it was a specific design for the Turkish tank trials
But I really don't know what you are trying to get at
edgy halo
I mean it's a modernization of the T-80UD, and yeah one prototype was made becau...
Ah, I thought you initially attributed this tank to a breakthrough tank that would become key in this war
manic latch
grave ravine
Ah, I thought you initially attributed this tank to a breakthrough tank that wou...
We don't talk about the war here, but I'd just say anyone claiming any one weapon will be key is coping
edgy halo
We don't talk about the war here, but I'd just say anyone claiming any one weapo...
Um, when you talk about Russia/Ukraine, it immediately touches on the topic of wars
grave ravine
Um, when you talk about Russia/Ukraine, it immediately touches on the topic of w...
Yeah, but the mods don't like it
subtle prawn
autumn sorrel
https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1708927258562355311
First time is an accident, second time mean there is a insider job
shrewd pecan
You understand that this is nothing more than a modernization of the old T-72? A...
dog what the fuck does any of that have to do with what I said
I was pointing out that the thing had a entirely different autoloader than krem and arch said it had
eager dove
But when 50% of Australians aren't citizens and ADF won't recruit non citizens, ...
Lol what, 50% of Australians aren’t citizens?
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Lol what, 50% of Australians aren’t citizens?
We are a very multicultural country
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But when 50% of Australians aren't citizens and ADF won't recruit non citizens, ...
You sure it's 50%?
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Maybe if ADF wasn't so bad at recruitment or retainment it wouldn't be as much o...
Main thing bad about recruitment is the requirements to get in
subtle prawn
eager dove
50% seems ridiculously high
2021 figures for Canada is 90%~ of the population are citizens
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Yea
Dam busters
A operation to destroy german dams, they used a new explosive developed, it was basically a barrel full of explosive spun at high speeds before dropped from a Lancaster. The barrel would bounce on the water and hit the dam wall and sink to a certain point before exploding
There's a whole movie about it
The rn also used this weapon against tirpitz
grave ravine
A operation to destroy german dams, they used a new explosive developed, it was ...
the bouncing bombs were developed to get around torpedo nets
chilly osprey
Is it citizens in general or those who aren't born as citizens?
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the bouncing bombs were developed to get around torpedo nets
Partly, mainly to take down the dams
grave ravine
Partly, mainly to take down the dams
No I mean they would have just used torpedoes against the dams
if they weren't protected by nets
the bouncing bombs were specifically developed to strike targets protected by torpedo nets
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Is it citizens in general or those who aren't born as citizens?
A citizen is either a foreigner who applies for it, or someone who is born in it
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the bouncing bombs were specifically developed to strike targets protected by to...
Problem with torps is the amount of explosive they could pack into it
grave ravine
Problem with torps is the amount of explosive they could pack into it
they could pack plenty of explosive in torpedoes
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Up to a certain point
grave ravine
aerial torps have been used to destroy dams on a number of occasions
chilly osprey
A citizen is either a foreigner who applies for it, or someone who is born in it
For ADF recruitment?
Then I struggle to see how non-citizens could make up 50% of the population, as that would be a good 13M or so...
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Either way it was a pretty cool way of dealing with a problem
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For ADF recruitment?
Then I struggle to see how non-citizens could make up 50% ...
Well...main problem with our recruitment is the requirements to get in, meaning mostly physical requirements
If they lessened those requirements up then we would have more regulars
grave ravine
The rn also used this weapon against tirpitz
Also while they developed another bouncing bomb for use against Tirpitz, it was sunk by Tallboys before it was used
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If they lessened those requirements up then we would have more regulars
Another problem is the budget
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Also while they developed another bouncing bomb for use against Tirpitz, it was ...
They did?
grave ravine
yeah, Highball was a related program, but it wasn't the same bomb that was used against the dams
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Ahh
grave ravine
either way, the British never did deploy bouncing bombs against anything other than the dams
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Another problem is the budget
If we had a much bigger GDP and military budget we would also have many more naval vessels which we desperately need
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either way, the British never did deploy bouncing bombs against anything other t...
Pretty sure they used em against tirpitz
grave ravine
no
they developed it for use
but Tirpitz was sunk by Tallboys before it was ready
I mean they were gonna use whichever one was ready first
Id note they launched multiple Tallboy raids on Tirpitz
before they managed to sink the ship
subtle prawn
desert agate
You sure it's 50%?
I misremembered
It's more like 10-20%
Still a lot of manpower that defence just can't utilise
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Still a lot of manpower that defence just can't utilise
Ik, mainly because of the stringent entry requirements that auto excludes most the nation
desert agate
its not just that
recruitment is done through a 3rd party contractor, a 3rd party contractor which just recently changed
and the new contractor has reportedly been rejecting people because they dont have drivers licenses
something which is not, never has been, and likely never will be a requirement for joining defence
and thats just one example
edgy halo
dog what the fuck does any of that have to do with what I said
Was it just me, or did you insult me?
shrewd pecan
mental disfunction at its finest
autumn sorrel
I want a gun boat with T-72 turret on it 
manic latch
I want a gun boat with T-72 turret on it <:AkagiLUL:531988392699887616>
Project 1208 use T-55
autumn sorrel
Project 1208 use T-55
Why not use AK series system?
rare finch
subtle prawn
gloomy current
Buy American SHORAD
Look inside
Stingers
dusty kraken
if stinger is so good why isn't there a stinger 2
fierce sparrow
shrewd pecan
still surprised we still haven’t gone with SLAMRAAM
Or just looked at what the Turks are doing
since they just straight up making a better pantsir
gloomy current
They fear the HML
shrewd pecan
endless humvee air defense platforms
eh if your main concern is drones when it comes to SHORAD to be fair it’s gonna be better to go with cheaper stinger and laser based systems over higher end SHORAD systems
gloomy current
you just need bigger drone with fishing nets
shrewd pecan
big nets and decoys
though considering the threats of cheap drones, glide bombs and cruise missiles generally any air defense network is gonna have to be able to operate near the frontlines to reliably be able to do their job while also having to be easily dispersed to be able to cover enough ground
considering just how vulnerable current gen SHORAD systems are proving to be these unmanned air defense platforms are likely gonna be ideal going forward
dusty kraken
in conclusion we should use tactical nukes as air defense
autumn sorrel
in conclusion we should use tactical nukes as air defense
Airburst Nuke
strong plank
endless humvee air defense platforms
I mean we’ve got Stryker M-SHORAD now
4 stingers, 2 hellfires, a 30mm bushmaster, and a coax m240
shrewd pecan
I need to find the picture of my friend unit who managed to crash one of those in Germany
strong plank
My folks saw one at the Army anniversary event this year
Apparently the army took a page from the navy’s book
shrewd pecan
my friend is a crewmember on the Stryker SHORADs
strong plank
they were telling me about how the turret’s got a Xbox-like controller
strong plank
Yeah it makes sense
shrewd pecan
did they ever test SLAMRAAM on a Stryker
strong plank
I didn’t see it in person tho, so I’m not sure if they went full navy and bought an existing controller, or if GDLS modeled their own
shrewd pecan
though in terms of Stryker SHORAD
I’m generally hoping the army goes through the effort of upping its armament and sensors as other SHORAD platforms like the unmanned systems and DE-M SHORAD enter service
manic latch
I hated SPAAG options of US for this last 2 decade
It's like the cheapest options ever
It never got good after death of Adats
shrewd pecan
I’m gonna be honest the death of ADATs was probably a good thing
We would of been stuck with a super expensive missile with a anti tank capability it didn’t actually need
any future air defense solutions are likely gonna need a high-low mix of lower end systems for C-UAS and higher end systems for dealing with attack helicopters, glide bombs and the other typical range of threats
best solution for the high end is probably emulating what the Turks are doing and just smacking SLAMRAAM onto a SPAAG
since Nokta here is essentially using a surface launched version of Turkey’s AMRAAM equivalent
It gives the platform the capability to engage targets out to 40 KMs with active radar homing missiles
meaning it doesn’t need to stick around to provide continued guidance after launching the missile
oh and fucktons of these
autumn sorrel
oh and fucktons of these
Counter battery radar?
shrewd pecan
Counter battery radar?
It’s not a counter battery radar
Though A4 adds that capability
autumn sorrel
Funny to think that people often place important to blinging new weapon system but barely anyone notice the recon section
manic latch
Recon is useless if weapon can't do anything
autumn sorrel
True but being blind also not good either
So, what kind of airburst is better to kill UAV? computer timed fuze like new fancy round for 40mm Bofors or good ol proxi fuze?
manic latch
So, what kind of airburst is better to kill UAV? computer timed fuze like new fa...
Jamming
grave ravine
eh if your main concern is drones when it comes to SHORAD to be fair it’s gonna ...
And the drone zapper
autumn sorrel
And the drone zapper
What does it do? Overload the drone?
supple sandal
Microwave is a unnatural path to powers
shrewd pecan
And the drone zapper
the ultimate weapon
grave ravine
What does it do? Overload the drone?
Fry the drones electronics, and potentially even melt components, using a super powerful phased array
supple sandal
Microwave
Wait no
Marcowave
quasi cove
*Macrowave. FIFY
manic latch
I don't trust microwaves
It's like lasers
Very high reliance of electrical power
Can't easily fix it if smh goes wrong
ornate wigeon
*Macrowave. FIFY
Cold food: 
junior trench
considering just how vulnerable current gen SHORAD systems are proving to be the...
...
just gonna
point out that judging the ability of SHORAD based off the performance of the "lowest common denominator", in a war which has been pretty tame on EW front
really isn't the way to go about predicting the future
subtle prawn
Twitter
shrewd pecan
point out that judging the ability of SHORAD based off the performance of the "l...
I mean actual EW capability will certainly improve survivability but these systems are still gonna have to operate close to front where they're gonna prove vulnerable to artillery alongside loitering munitions and other threats
grave ravine
I mean I'd note that the primary shorad platform in the US army is Bradley
Large SHORAD platforms like Pantsir aren't really what the US needs
grave ravine
We have to talk about what the role of SHORAD for the US army is
We do need more C-UAS
But that's different from conventional shorad
shrewd pecan
I'm thinking more conventional SHORAD when it comes to something like pantsir
grave ravine
As much as gun based systems are what are being used right now for C-UAS
They are stopgaps
The remaining threats are helicopters and aircraft
shrewd pecan
since you generally have new systems being put on helicopters like KA-52 that can outrange our current SHORAD systems
combined with fixed wing assets being able to reach further and further out with anti tank missiles and other munitions
grave ravine
I mean the way the US wants to deal with helicopters
Is a mix of the USAF and theater air defense
Large airborne radars behind the lines to send PAC-2s and shit at choppers
shrewd pecan
like I don't think patriot should be the primary counter for KA-52s slinging LMURs
there needs something between C-UAS/Stinger and patriot level air defense systems
junior trench
actually proliferating that shit
shrewd pecan
its just a example
grave ravine
Helicopter missiles have technically outranged SHORAD for a while
shrewd pecan
spike NLOS, CM-501G/CM-502KG are all other examples of extended range missiles being put on attack helicopters
grave ravine
But in practice it's difficult to exploit maximum ballistic range
grave ravine
Also we have to talk about the threats the US expects to face
junior trench
and it's because US CABs are fucking hilarious
grave ravine
Helicopters are not going to be a significant threat in a Taiwan conflict
shrewd pecan
I mean in a Taiwan conflict a middle system is likely gonna be better for helping deal with glide bomb/cruise missile swarms regardless
grave ravine
I mean besides pd systems like Phalanx and shit your best bet at shooting down missiles probably is something like PAC-3
shrewd pecan
I mean there's systems like NASAMs and Iron Dome
grave ravine
NASAMs is significantly less effective against missile threats
grave ravine
Iron Dome is a relatively similar system to PAC-3
grave ravine
ESSM with a AMRAAM seeker
Yeah, and that's fundamentally still optimized for the airbreathing threat
junior trench
drom
grave ravine
Against missiles, the ideal are h2k missiles
shrewd pecan
I’m primarily referring to cruise missiles
junior trench
that's perfectly acceptable for intercepting cruise missiles and glide bombs
shrewd pecan
And guide bombs
junior trench
and even then
for intercepting ballistic missiles a non-HTK warhead is still fine depending on what you're trying to defend
so long as you're actually smart enough to fuze weapons appropriately
coughRussiacough
grave ravine
It's still not going to be better than a system like PAC-3
The main thing stuff like NASAMs brings is lower costs
junior trench
if you've been reading the convo at all
you'd know why that's kind of the big deal
grave ravine
I mean the thing is that I think we have adequate proliferation of current GBAD systems right now
For missions other than C-UAS
Standing up a whole new class of weapons is even more expensive
If our primary threat environment was still large scale conventional fighting in Europe it would have made sense
But that's not
shrewd pecan
I mean the army is still pursuing a system primarily intended to deal with cruise missiles
strong plank
Apparently my uni had a set of classes only available during ww2
wintry moat
Huh
subtle prawn
strong plank
fierce sparrow
strong plank
Wait a second
It’s the 30th anniversary of the Day of the Rangers
October 3-4 1993
shrewd pecan
grave ravine
It’s the 30th anniversary of the Day of the Rangers
It is of course also the launch day of Big E and Lady Lex
cunning salmon
Slinging some freedom
shrewd pecan
junior trench
https://eos-aus.com/defence/counter-drone-systems/slinger/
with programmable fuzes and laser/mmw radar rangefinding, 30mm autocannons like that can absolutely eat low end drones alive
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
shrewd pecan
silver crest
a german, russian, and finnish soldier sitting down and sharing their photos
pretty interesting photo
manic latch
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Abrams in 2040
warm finch
I feel like this could be one of those "the tank is outdated" that people used in 1918, 1939, 1945, 1965, 1991, 2003, 2011 ans 2022.
Long story short countermeasures evolve and if they don't fast enough the yanks will probably replace it early lol
Tho knowing how they hold on to the F-15... eeeh
subtle prawn
strong mountain
yes replace it with the M2 but keep the Bradley in service
cinder escarp
Both are ancient
manic latch
yes replace it with the M2 but keep the Bradley in service
Bradley needs replacement before Abrams
strong plank
I feel like this could be one of those "the tank is outdated" that people used i...
It’s not about tanks in general but the M1 in particular
It’s hitting the ceiling of how much it can be upgraded
Hence why M1A3 is under development
dusty kraken
when is the M2 abrams dropping
manic latch
when is the M2 abrams dropping
When Decisive Lethality Platform actually becomes a reality
Which uhhh dont see it happening till 2040s
strong plank
DLP is in development but we don’t know how far along it is
And it’s not exactly the biggest priority rn
Did the French ever field any afvs with a 57mm?
frozen kestrel
Quick question: Did the main gun of the Maus have rifling grooves?
manic latch
Quick question: Did the main gun of the Maus have rifling grooves?
Of course
lime belfry
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/m1-abrams-ineffective-by-2040-in-fight-aga...
I find it funny that the Americans will replace every single vehicle they had in a 30-year span saying it outdated but the M2 Browning being 100 years old by now will continue to be mounted on the next gen vehicle no problem
lime belfry
China and Russia still use mostly 1970-1980 vehicle for the bulk of the army but the US of A would freak out and replace everything claiming it is outdated when it isn't, compared to the rest of the world
I mean seriously, for the last 20 years the highest tech shit they fought against is a Toyota mounted DShK
do they really need to arm race that hard
manic latch
do they really need to arm race that hard
Lockheed:
desert agate
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/m1-abrams-ineffective-by-2040-in-fight-aga...
The Americans are barely planning to use M1s in a SCS conflict
dusty kraken
do they have amphibious abrams?
strong plank
Nah
In a SCS conflict, the marines would be taking point on any amphibious landing
hence the emphasis on new ACVs (that and their AAVs were falling apart)
Tanks wouldn’t be needed until a beachhead is established and US forces move inland
grave ravine
yes replace it with the M2 but keep the Bradley in service
Bradley is due to be replaced sooner by the XM-30 program
ornate wind
China and Russia still use mostly 1970-1980 vehicle for the bulk of the army but...
B52s
subtle prawn
junior trench
I mean seriously, for the last 20 years the highest tech shit they fought agains...
if you ignore all the times that wasn't true, yeah, I guess
and expecially that time they shat all over GRU assets
warm finch
It’s not about tanks in general but the M1 in particular
Hence why I was careful with my wording, I said "could be", not that it is lol
astral ember
China and Russia still use mostly 1970-1980 vehicle for the bulk of the army but...
Well the US freaked out on the Mig
And spent a gazillion dollars on a next gen jet
lime belfry
Isnt they more worried about the SU tho
deep apex
Not really I don't think
junior trench
The Su-57 is essentially beneath interest considering the intended trajectory of the NGAD programs
J-20 has at least raised some eyebrows in comparison
rapid junco
I feel like this could be one of those "the tank is outdated" that people used i...
The amount of times i heard that when the EB bought the Centauro II
autumn sorrel
J-20 has at least raised some eyebrows in comparison
Mostly at their production rate and number, while it maybe an inferior craft, it show how far China have developed their capability.
manic latch
Mostly at their production rate and number, while it maybe an inferior craft, it...
- J-35 is coming as well
somber knoll
Mostly at their production rate and number, while it maybe an inferior craft, it...
Ain't they now got their eyes on J-31?
manic latch
J-31 doesn't have +100 frames like J-20 does
swift silo
I know it's way late, but iirc the ones they sold were in better condition, though less upgraded. Honolulu had taken a few serious hits during the war, hence all her upgrades. And Savannah's Fritz-X hit basically gutted the turret it hit, causing an almost year long yard period for repairs. The rest of the class had more relatively quiet wartime lives in terms of damage received, save Boise and Helena.
remote monolith
how suicidal would have it been had the High Seas Fleet went through with Hipper and Scheer's plan to sail up the Thames and try bombard London to inflict as many damage as possible in 1918
autumn sorrel
how suicidal would have it been had the High Seas Fleet went through with Hipper...
Total loss, Brit will throw any and everything they have at them and then some. And sail up a river deep into enemy territory? Brit just need to blockade the Thames and the High Sea Fleet is like a fish in a net, a very tight net.
I mean, if the common sailor even heard of that plan, you don’t need to wait for the Brit bc any idiot that proposed and lead that kind of operation will soon find himself swing by the noose from the Yardarm.
Turn out, people really like to being stay alive and they really have the tendency to murder anyone that posed such a threat to their lives
remote monolith
I mean, if the common sailor even heard of that plan, you don’t need to wait for...
said plan was a direct cause of the Kiel Mutiny and part of why the Empire completely unraveled just months later so ye
eternal veldt
I mean, you can look just some 30 years later
cough Ten-Go
The question is more so how much damage is inflicted upon the British
remote monolith
the High Seas Fleet had what, around 10 battleships and battlcruisers then?
Against the Grand Fleet's 35 right
and the various deficiencies of Jutland had been remedied to different extent
autumn sorrel
Against the Grand Fleet's 35 right
The problem isn’t the number, it is the morale. By 1918, German high sea fleet morale had plummeted. Long time of inactive make a bad habit out of soldier, that’s what my grandfather told me. You need to keep your soldier ready at all time, make them do exercise, patrol, training,… anything to relieve the boredom and the complacency.
German big fleet units had been grounded since Jutland, the most aggressive part of the crews had volunteered for uboat service and the one that remain get the ration cut bc they aren’t doing anything anyway.
eternal veldt
and the various deficiencies of Jutland had been remedied to different extent
Partially, but I think British shells aren't remedied until they did tests with Baden
autumn sorrel
Now, I believe that German sailors will enthusiastically obey and follow command if it mean they have a fight to broke the Blockade but Hipper suicidal plan sound like what it is, suicidal. It sound like an old Prussian noble who want to die in Glory and fully intended to pull everyone down with him in his death ride.
There is a different in dying but knowing that your death mean to bring a better outcome for everyone else vs dying for someone else glory hunting.
desert agate
https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/2023/10/05/japan-south-korea-and-the-us-shou...
Japanese Korean defence cooperation
manic latch
Just because they dislike same guy doesn't mean they can be friends
desert agate
The only thing stopping those two pointing all of their respective ballistic and cruise missiles at each other is the presence of greater regional opponents
They aren't even an India-US situation with an alliance of convenience, they just hate eachother less than they hate the other guys
near raptor
I watched the Battle of Midway movie that came out in 1942 and noticed they claimed to have sunk a Japanese Battleship.
This is obviously incorrect; can anyone shine light on this?
Did they falsely identify Mikuma as a BB or is something else going on here.
autumn sorrel
I watched the Battle of Midway movie that came out in 1942 and noticed they clai...
It is hard to identify ship when you are 12000ft above and when you are trying to dodge and aim when dive bombing
Most likely a false identification
And it is wartime propaganda? Of course they “sunk” a battleship, like how IJN keep “sinking” Enty 
alpine onyx
Wasn't Haruna reported sunk a few times?
frozen kestrel
Just found this photo on Reddit. Bunch of German soldiers goofing off at coastal battery Lindemann
Photos like this makes me smile a little, knowing guys back then would also do dumb shit to entertain themselves
frozen kestrel
Neato
I'm gonna see if I can find some more photos of soldiers goofin' off
I was not disappointed
desert agate
heres a photo of a game of cricket being played by Australian troops during the end of the Gallipoli campaign
the game was intended to distract the Turks from the gradual evacuation from the peninsular, and was played while under artillery bombardment
Major George Macarthur Onslow of the Light Horse in batting, is being caught out
frozen kestrel
Some various examples I found
frozen kestrel
heres a photo of a game of cricket being played by Australian troops during the ...
Alternate caption: When the fighting isn't fun enough, so you start a game of Cricket instead
thorn trail
Anyone know where can I read about if the British had any cruiser designs ala B-65 and Alaska
desert agate
KURE, JAPAN. 1946-07-27. THE SECOND GOAL OF THE AUSTRALIAN RULES FOOTBALL GAME BETWEEN THE BRITISH COMMONWEALTH BASE TEAM AND 168TH AUSTRALIAN GENERAL TRANSPORT COMPANY AT ANZAC OVAL, SCORED BY VX123399 DRIVER J. A. COOK OF THE TRANSPORT COMPANY TEAM
Australian troops in reserve in May 1917, making an Australian Rules football ground on the old Somme battlefield, south of Thilloy. The men can be seen filling in the numerous shellholes and levelling off the space required.
somber knoll
so the Naval office just goofing around?
classic
btw, how about the theoretical size? if it is anything below 25k ton mark then it's just cramming.
ah
even lighter than Drake herself oof
somber knoll
cramming 20k for a super cruiser is such a British thing to do.
hell even the P-class is theoretically heavier.
but
7 inch belt
subtle prawn
somber knoll
subtle prawn
somber knoll
So they designed pocket Renown to counter Pocket Yamato while copying pocket Iowa?
somber knoll
So they designed pocket Renown to counter Pocket Yamato while copying pocket Iow...
*peeking at pocket Iowa
Indeed odd
subtle prawn
manic latch
Rich's fault
somber knoll
subtle prawn
manic latch
somber knoll
warm finch
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/kc-10-extender-has-flown-its-last-combat-m...
It´s kinda weird to think I´ll have to tell my kids the F-15 was originally made by McDonnell Douglas and not Boeing.
manic latch
You will have kids?
warm finch
No, I am Batman I´ll just steal one off the streets when he tries to steal the tires off my Maluch
(actual canon Batman lore btw)
subtle prawn
spring briar
Rich's fault
subtle prawn
unkempt sedge
autumn sorrel
If only Richie can go on land, Dien Bien Phu can maybe be salvage
junior trench
manic latch
Lot of interesting pictures from that border
shrewd pecan
<:TrollDespair:905478989232103435>
Wrong border for current horrible event
I’m also gonna be frank I would advise talking about current event especially when a lot of the images we’re seeing of it are on Nanking levels
autumn sorrel
Ki-21 bomber during the bombing of Chongqin
We come from modern day warcrime to historical warcrime 
God, I love this channel
strong mountain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_Rbel4uJS0
lesss gooo
polar eagle
Who was in Enterprise's fleet during ww2
eternal veldt
Depends on the year and location.
manic latch
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
spiral cedar
Surely by 2023 they can figure out what was "probably sunk"
shrewd pecan
eternal veldt
maiden citrus
delicious
swift silo
manic latch
My dungeon
deep apex
New Mexico class my beloved
manic latch
@shrewd pecan @tough quail Fren shaped
solid mango
warm finch
Surely by 2023 they can figure out what was "probably sunk"
I think it´s more just a matter of "was it sunk by the third fleet or by someone else?"
spiral cedar
The seemingly ironic fact that a Jewish association advocated loyalty to the Nazi programme gave rise to a contemporary joke about Naumann and his followers ending their meeting by giving the Nazi salute and shouting "Down With Us!".
strong plank
This isn’t the channel for current events
haughty osprey
Now if their damn torpedoes had been in good working order from the start...
One only imagines how much more they could've achieved beyond their already impressive performance
frozen kestrel
60 percent of total Japanese tonnage sunk, including a train
jagged monolith
A piece of Korean history that is itself about history, the Fifth Republic is a political drama about the (so far) final military dictator of South Korea. It aired nearly 20 years ago as the last of a series of political dramas. Strange the enough it found popularity in Japan, which I will choose to appreciate.
This is the opening, "Deus non vult". The latin lyrics mean something like "Man can forgive history, but God does not". Perhaps nowadays it should be "Man can forget history, but God does not".
jagged monolith
There was a problem with the show that increasingly made itself apparent. It was a fantastic show with fantastic actors, fantastic direction, and fantastic writing. That was the problem, no matter how much the writers showcased the evil of the protagonists (Chun Doo-Hwan and Roh Tae-Woo) they came off as really cool. Evil people, but cool evil people.
tight violet
was the mp5 the first "smaller assault rifle" type smg?
strong plank
what do you mean
somber knoll
was the mp5 the first "smaller assault rifle" type smg?
If you mean the layout, then it's not even the first.
But if you mean derivatives, kinda. Colt did make SMG derivative of the AR-15/M16 (the Colt 9mm SMG), but that only entered production in 1982. While MP5, being a G3 derivative, is a child of the 1960s (specifically 1966)
Even then the "assault rifle-derived" SMGs are rare, mostly because pistol cartriges are not exactly reliable to cycle the gas operation systems commonly found on rifles.
(yes there is the exception that is Desert Eagle. Then again, it's THE Desert Eagle)
MP5 has the serendipity of just very well-designed weapon in general and the roller-delayed blowback from the G3 action.
(saying from an MP5 fan, mind you)
manic latch
This isn’t the channel for current events
Whole history channel emoted this
subtle prawn
manic latch
Ripsaw M3
frozen kestrel
When did Belfast strike that mine that broke her keel? Trying to maintain historical accuracy, but there's a lot of vague information
subtle prawn
1939 according to Norman Friedman
frozen kestrel
Now I got to figure out what shipyard she was in when Hood sunk
subtle prawn
She was mined on 21 November 1939, repaired temporarily at Rosyth (21 November 1939 – 27 June 1940), and then rebuilt at Devonport (3 July 1940 – 8 December 1942).
frozen kestrel
> She was mined on 21 November 1939, repaired temporarily at Rosyth (21 November...
Thanks
wintry moat
> She was mined on 21 November 1939, repaired temporarily at Rosyth (21 November...
Isn’t Rosyth the same shipyard that built Hood and Belfast
rapid junco
Clydebank
By the John & Brown
I thought this was cool to list anyways
But some ships also built by John & Brown: (who are in the game)
Acasta
Beagle
Duke of York
Enterprise (the cruiser)
Fiji
Foxhound
Hardy
Icarus
Javelin
Repulse
Southampton
Vanguard
desert agate
pretty wild watching this and realising how just a few years after this was made, almost every single building was destroyed and almost every person on screen lost everything they own
its incredibly rare in this modern era to hear about a city being completely destroyed, especially in a developed, first world country, but thats what happened to Darwin in 1974
grave ravine
grave ravine
its incredibly rare in this modern era to hear about a city being completely des...
Just looked it up, that's a terrible cyclone
autumn sorrel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/957910967965089793/1161069242326716426/...
The one with the bigger gun
desert agate
Just looked it up, that's a terrible cyclone
indeed, most of Darwin was destroyed and the city never truly recovered
very few of its inhabitants before the cyclone ever returned after the evacuation
60% of its population is believed to have left the city after the cyclone and the years that followed
strong plank
I’ve discovered the uh
Strangest case of reformer-ism I’ve personally seen
Context: video on the pentomic army
strong mountain
Its missunderstanding the pentonic army trough a reformer lense
They just want the M14s and M113s back
tough quail
I long to return to mid
lime belfry
They just want the M14s and M113s back
ah yes they want the APC with little to no armor back
desert agate
Eh more modern M113s aren't so bad
I'd rather a Bradley though
It sucks that reformers won and basically did get the M14 back with NGSW though
strong plank
It sucks that reformers won and basically did get the M14 back with NGSW though
Eh I wouldn’t characterize it that way
desert agate
I would and I did
subtle prawn
desert agate
The NGSW is a step backwards for infantry development
6.5mm is a mistake that the US will regret making
subtle prawn
The XM250 part of the program seems to be alright from what I've read
dusty kraken
indeed, the .50 cal should be the standard round for infantry, stop beating around the bush and go all in
somber knoll
6.5mm is a mistake that the US will regret making
6.5 BO is the Americans copiuming that they can replicate 5.56 handling with 7.62 stopping power and range.
tbf
strong plank
Considering it started in 2017, NGSW feels like the Pentagon saw Ratnik
and, forgetting it’s Russia, assumed it would be fielded en masse
I’m not entirely sure if/how it’ll be adopted and issued given the logistical headaches that might involve
manic latch
How to ruin logistics
Make a random caliber for muh new doctrine reason
To you can capitalize on it by selling this new ammo and weapons to allies
They HAVE to buy new ammo for these weapons since can't use their stockpiles for it
What's next, 165mm over 155mm
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
shrewd pecan
shrewd pecan
It sucks that reformers won and basically did get the M14 back with NGSW though
to be fair NGSW isn't as bad as the M14
its more of just a sidegrade than anything
gloomy current
I have a nagging feeling the XM5 will face the same fate as the XM8
shrewd pecan
the only real improvement is the XM250
which I'm just hoping they end up making a new version in 5.56 for since it is just a full blown improvement over the 249
autumn sorrel
What's next, 165mm over 155mm
Reintroduce 175mm and 203mm
We need to rekindle the age of Arty
Reject air superiority, return to big gun
tough quail
8" guns 8" guns 8" guns
subtle prawn
sacred meadow
and, forgetting it’s Russia, assumed it would be fielded en masse
tbf that’s how we got things like the F-15
West though the Soviets had the best fighter in the world with the MiG-25
US panicked and made the F-15 in response
And then oh would you look at that the MiG-25 is actually shit
sacred meadow
¯_(ツ)_/¯
desert agate
the best part of the program is the exceptional optic
strong plank
I think it'll be a useful tool
sacred meadow
I’m not knowledgable enough on NGSW to throw my two cents in
desert agate
useful in some instances, yes, M4 replacement, no
strong plank
I'm not confident it'll be fielded though, just out of logistical concerns
sacred meadow
Maybe over time
strong plank
you can't easily issue it for forces in europe bc you run into NATO standard requirements
you can't issue it in the pacific bc you lose commonality with the marines
desert agate
Africa it is then
strong plank
and given recent events
sacred meadow
lmao
strong plank
it very much seems like a solution in search of a problem
sacred meadow
I wouldn’t underestimate China or Russia tbh
strong plank
russia 5 years from now maybe
sacred meadow
Yes Russia is making themselves look like goobers
Cough cardboard body armor
But well
Never underestimate your enemy
strong plank
china's the more credible threat when it comes to the proliferation of body armor
sacred meadow
China is showing some promise, but it’s yet to be seen
sacred meadow
china's the more credible threat when it comes to the proliferation of body armo...
Yep
I don’t want speculate to much but they got some potential
strong plank
the DoD loves its overmatch though
desert agate
imo if shit hits the fan in the Pacific, the US Army wont be overly involved and tbh I doubt most Western combatants will be particularly involved on land
strong plank
no I agree
sacred meadow
imo if shit hits the fan in the Pacific, the US Army wont be overly involved and...
Maritime operations is more of a Navy and Marines thing so yeah
desert agate
the majority of land combat, based on what the US is actually making program acquisitions for, will be securing small islands to turn into airbases
see: USAFs portable nuclear reactor plan
and ADF is in no state to conduct land operations beyond minor disputed islands in the SCS
strong plank
given that the US' biggest competitor when it comes to a land war just got a big bite taken out of its military
theres quite a few things the army's doing that feel like solutions in need of problems
sacred meadow
Army moment
strong plank
I've been wondering since the M1A3 announcement if they're just
delaying a future tank design
bc they don't really need it urgently rn
desert agate
i think from the American perspective, yeah, where are they going to be using a next generation MBT?
strong plank
so putting M1A3 out there as a stopgap is good enough
desert agate
they dont need super modern MBTs in Europe and deployment in the Pacific is going to be sporadic
strong plank
there's always the smaller-ticket stuff
sacred meadow
Tanks on islands in the Pacific would be a nightmare
desert agate
might as well update Abrams for another decade and a half and leave it at that
sacred meadow
Especially with how T H I C C the Abrams is
desert agate
Tanks on islands in the Pacific would be a nightmare
stuff like M10 look like theyll fix those issues
strong plank
but those don't really require huge advances
desert agate
although most of the islands that the US would be conducting operations in are so tiny im not sure armour would be helpful in any case
sacred meadow
I’d wager some IFVs and APCs at best
strong plank
in general I'm very curious how the new abrams variant is affecting the next tank program
since that's been going since 2017
desert agate
the only islands of any size that Western forces would conduct operations in would be the Solomons, and 2RAR is drooling waiting for them to do something stupid enough to necessitate their deployment
strong plank
if it's being put on hold or delayed
sacred meadow
Wonder how AIM-260 JATM development is going
desert agate
by the time the Americans arrive the Solomons would be dealt with
no doubt waiting for a plane that can actually launch them
strong plank
NGAD's gonna be exciting
though I tend to find myself asking if we're jumping the shark on some of the concept art
when you think about it, the stuff the air force wants out of NGAD has to do with networking and better sensor fusion
sacred meadow
though I tend to find myself asking if we're jumping the shark on some of the co...
Some of it does kinda look wild tbh
desert agate
bugger NGAD, the F-35 program needs to be brought out of the hole that Lockheed dug it into
strong plank
more stealth is always better, but platforms like the raptor and lightning II aren't exactly having a problem with that
sacred meadow
when you think about it, the stuff the air force wants out of NGAD has to do wit...
Mainly improving on what the F-35 started
strong plank
so I do wonder if NGAD will actually look closer to platforms we already have
desert agate
the only thing the F-35 has started is a very expensive program to fix all the mistakes they made in it
sacred meadow
bugger NGAD, the F-35 program needs to be brought out of the hole that Lockheed ...
Ehh JSF is doing fine now
desert agate
block 4 is delayed for at least 4 more years meaning F-35 still can't launch any next generation missiles like LRASM, JSSM, NSM and JATM
sacred meadow
the only thing the F-35 has started is a very expensive program to fix all the m...
There have been mistakes like the choice to start low rate production before development and testing was done. but it’s doing a lot better than the F-15, F-16, and F-14 at the start
desert agate
and even when it does roll out
desert agate
now we have to spend an ungodly significant amount on an upgrade program that has also been delayed
strong plank
slow ass dod procurement my beloved
sacred meadow
hello
strong plank
hey richy
spring briar
desert agate
this isnt slow ass DoD, this is Lockheed jumping the gun and sending F-35 into mass production well before it was ready leaving air forces world wide with an immature platform that isnt capable of doing what it was advertised as being able to do
strong plank
was more referring to delays
sorry was having a convo the other day about procurement and budget stuff and part of my brain is still there
desert agate
i think the delays are what caused Lockheed to push for mass production without all capabilities
sacred meadow
this isnt slow ass DoD, this is Lockheed jumping the gun and sending F-35 into m...
Partially true? It’s doing its role as intended rn as a force multiplier, but it’s definitely missing some of its potential
But keep in mind aircraft like the F-15 and F-16 also didn’t hit the ground running with all the latest gizmos
desert agate
since DoD was under political pressure from congress as F-35 program budget exploded and they didnt want it cancelled, they pushed for production without all capabilities that block4 would provide
strong plank
I'm not too familiar with the play by play of the program
desert agate
Partially true? It’s doing its role as intended rn as a force multiplier, but it...
RAAF has been left at its weakest state for anti-shipping capability since the 50s
strong plank
I would assume that they wanted to ramp up production to get the unit cost down
desert agate
in fact i'd argue earlier
sacred meadow
I would assume that they wanted to ramp up production to get the unit cost down
That’s been doing well
F-35 export go brrr
desert agate
and RAAF still has no upgrade pipeline for the F-35s to block4 standard because Lockheed keeps delaying it
sacred meadow
RAAF has been left at its weakest state for anti-shipping capability since the 5...
I mean they kinda handicap themselves by using only cope slope STOBAR
strong plank
no the raaf
desert agate
what
sacred meadow
Wait hold on
strong plank
the australian air force
desert agate
RAAF aint sailing off the Canberras (yet)
sacred meadow
My bad guys 
strong plank
wait question hit
so australia doesn't operate carriers anymore
when they did, did carrier aviation fall under the air force's jurisdiction
desert agate
no
sacred meadow
good question
desert agate
was entirely under the Fleet Air Arm
sacred meadow
Hey remember when Canada also had carriers
desert agate
even today, Air Force doesnt fly off Navy ships
Army does, Air Force doesn't
or well, Army did
sacred meadow
They did a while ago
desert agate
MRH-90 indefinite grounding
sacred meadow
I remember seeing pics of Apaches on the LHDs or LHAs or whatever they were
sacred meadow
Apparently Apaches weren’t too fit for the carrier life though
strong plank
imagine being able to export LHAs
desert agate
I remember seeing pics of Apaches on the LHDs or LHAs or whatever they were
Canberras have Chinook and attack heli capable decks, theyve even operated V-22s, but the main idea of the Canberras air wing was that it would have a mixture of army and navy Taipans
grave ravine
I've been wondering since the M1A3 announcement if they're just
M1E3 is the US finally putting in the money for a major Abrams upgrade
sacred meadow
if US ship production wasnt in the gutter
Don’t worry we’ll magically manifest our WW2 industrial might again
grave ravine
after like 30 years
desert agate
but now that there are no more Taipans flying
sacred meadow
(very credible)
desert agate
fucking Europeans
strong plank
M1E3 is the US finally putting in the money for a major Abrams upgrade
yes but the army has also been running a program for an abrams replacement
grave ravine
thats still in its very very early stages
sacred meadow
They’ve tried multiple times lol
grave ravine
the current iteration of the program anyways
sacred meadow
Gonna trigger some people but
I’m waiting for the A-10 to be finally fucking retired
strong plank
and given that M1A3 has a similar 'enter service' date
grave ravine
I’d wager some IFVs and APCs at best
Id note IFVs are only in the ABCTs, while M10s going to the IBCTs
strong plank
I'm very much curious about the fate of DLP
grave ravine
You are far more likely to see M10s going ashore on pacific islands than Bradleys
desert agate
the circle of ADF helicopter acquisition
ADF buys European
European helicopters can be used how ADF wants to use them
European helicopters are expensive and difficult to maintain
ADF buys American
Americans are overbearing with how helicopters can be used/modified/maintained
American helicopters are cheap
ADF buys European
strong plank
like comparing DLP and M1E3, a lot of the language sounds very similar
im very curious what the army has cooking
sacred meadow
let em cook
desert agate
portable VLS
strong plank
the marines too
sacred meadow
Portable burger king wh- Oh wait we already did that
strong plank
everytime I see the NMESIS picture I giggle a little
desert agate
Marines look like theyre heavily restructuring to focus heavily on amphibious operations
hence their divesting of tanks
strong plank
bc I imagine a squad of marines escorting it like a TF2 payload
not just amphibious operations
their operation concept is to basically spread sensor and antiship capability across remote islands
desert agate
reminds me of the NASAMS bushmaster
strong plank
its like a modernization of WW2 coastwatchers and coastal artillery
what was old is new again
sacred meadow
bc I imagine a squad of marines escorting it like a TF2 payload
Something something push the damn cart
grave ravine
its like a modernization of WW2 coastwatchers and coastal artillery
Eh, NEMESIS leans significantly more into the area denial
strong plank
la creatura
sacred meadow
la creatura
at this point mount it on a Toyota and call it a day
desert agate
grave ravine
oh did you see
desert agate
you know
grave ravine
the new AM General JLTVs have the grill
strong plank
the marines getting M27s, NSMs, and new amphibs to deter china: hell yeah
the army watching their main rival collapse: fuck
desert agate
I have never seen one more than a few dozen km from the suburbs
grave ravine
sacred meadow
I have except they look completely pristine with the shine still on their paint
wintry moat
I have never seen one more than a few dozen km from the suburbs
Same
grave ravine
yeah
strong plank
if NGSW fails we'll be in the cursed timeline
sacred meadow
I have never seen one more than a few dozen km from the suburbs
I only know a single person who actually owns a pick up truck for a good reason. He’s a cousin who does chicken farming
strong plank
where the marines get newer, better rifles than the army
wintry moat
But aren’t F-150s the premium of trucks
desert agate
honestly most American utes are too fat for proper off roading
sacred meadow
But aren’t F-150s the premium of trucks
With how many there are, tbh not really
grave ravine
But aren’t F-150s the premium of trucks
Its also like the most sold vehicle in the US
wintry moat
it’s more of a showboat
desert agate
I only know a single person who actually owns a pick up truck for a good reason....
hey, my ute is owned for a good reason
sacred meadow
There are so many pickups here in Texas
wintry moat
Round were I live it’s all SUVs or Trucks
grave ravine
whats funny is the US companies make actually reasonable pickups to sell outside the US
strong plank
you know an F150 is good and all
sacred meadow
whats funny is the US companies make actually reasonable pickups to sell outside...
💀
sacred meadow
Round were I live it’s all SUVs or Trucks
Same
strong plank
until you try to park it in DC
grave ravine
same for me too
sacred meadow
I find it ironic that people complain about gas prices
And then proceed to buy giant ass SUVs and pick ups
grave ravine
eh, people don't really complain that much about gas prices where I live
sacred meadow
Anyways how’d we go from talking about the DoD and MIC procurement failures to how pickups are shit lol
grave ravine
its not that pickups are shit
wintry moat
Collective Squirrel brains?
grave ravine
its that the ginormous monstrosities are shit
sacred meadow
Well American pickups
desert agate
my glorious Japanese ute vs stinky and overweight American utes
desert agate
grave ravine
you know you can buy surplus humvees
yeah, my neighbor has one
sacred meadow
its that the ginormous monstrosities are shit
Mom claimed SUVs have a better view because higher off ground
Just sitting in the passenger seat, I can tell her claim is BS
grave ravine
ironically he actually has gone off roading in his humvee
sacred meadow
I can’t see shit that’s directly in front of me unlike in my sedan
grave ravine
It was an experience
desert agate
90% of SUVs are trash
strong plank
step 1: buy milsurp humvee
step 2: find someone who owns a de-milled TOW
step 3: ????
grave ravine
I can’t see shit that’s directly in front of me unlike in my sedan
me raising the seat to the literal highest position possible
desert agate
the only good SUVs are 70 series Land Cruisers and GU/GQ Patrols
grave ravine
step 1: buy milsurp humvee
step 2: find someone who owns a de-milled TOW
step 3:...
my uncle restores WW2 jeeps, and he actually did have one with a demilled MG on it
sacred meadow
me raising the seat to the literal highest position possible
Only disadvantage of my sedan’s lower height is when I use the sunshades and it blocks my view of traffic lights
desert agate
Jeep owners trying to explain how their cars are much better off road right before their diff explodes on a slight incline
junior trench
china's the more credible threat when it comes to the proliferation of body armo...
kind of a moot point considering level IV plates can stop 30-06 AP at the muzzle, and was allegedly supposed to be able to at rather extended ranges
normal service rifle rounds simply cannot penetrate military plates
grave ravine
Jeep owners trying to explain how their cars are much better off road right befo...
jeeps today are luxury SUVs
sacred meadow
Jeep owners trying to explain how their cars are much better off road right befo...
Jeep owners trying to explain how “it’s a jeep thing you wouldn’t get it” to justify their lack of doors
Actually saw one driving today lol
junior trench
so trading ammo capacity for more power which doesn't actually get you anything is stupid
grave ravine
Jeep owners trying to explain how “it’s a jeep thing you wouldn’t get it” to jus...
ok but having no doors is cool and fun
grave ravine
Idk about a dinky jeep though
It was fun when I was a kid
desert agate
Very expensive though
grave ravine
we had an old TJ
grave ravine
or was it a YJ
strong plank
hey
desert agate
strong plank
how could you say no to that face
desert agate
I very much could
strong plank
saw one over the summer in british racing green
junior trench
It does like badass af on the UH-60
... that's open doors, not no doors
I know it can be hard to tell from a lot of angles
but that's just open doors
desert agate
Little bird:
junior trench
... that's not a UH-60
grave ravine
"we'll put a bench on either side"
desert agate
Old mates got places to be
grave ravine
I mean there are pictures of this all over the place
there are handles to hold on to IIRC
junior trench
Bradln't
manic latch
And then oh would you look at that the MiG-25 is actually shit
Which was made because of Soviet assumption that XB-70 of US would be mass produced
Soviets overestimating US ends up with US overestimating Soviets
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On October 10, 1957, for the first time in history, the S-144, a Soviet Whiskey-class diesel-electric submarine, fired a nuclear-armed torpedo at a target fleet near the Novaya Zemlya. Detonating at a depth of 35 m, the 10 kiloton explosion destroyed 6 ships.
subtle prawn
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frozen kestrel
I'm surprised the helicopter's airborne. You'd think it'd struggle to fly while carrying that guy's massive fucking balls of steel
naive rampart
@crimson galleon Yes, that is Musashi in I believe 1943
crimson galleon
thanks
mystic hinge
subtle prawn
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@tough quail
You know what makes this picture more valuable
That statue
It was destroyed around 2001 for religious? reasons
Buddhas of Bamiyan
tough quail
oh thats rad as hell
grave ravine
It was destroyed around 2001 for religious? reasons
was destroyed because the Taliban were dicks
grave ravine
<@84008086733324288>
cool picture tho
frozen kestrel
I know the text says this is for the Tiger, but isn't that piece of track link drawn on the bottom also used for the Tiger II?
(feel free to ping when replying)
sacred meadow
Soviets overestimating US ends up with US overestimating Soviets
It really is just a giant circle lmao
old lily
SMS Baden, Wilhelmshaven May 1917
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eternal veldt
Why are you reposting the same stuff? Is this spam?
old lily
Why are you reposting the same stuff? Is this spam?
i forgot did i even posted it
but before im sure
i didnt know which ship exactly
only "Bayern" class
i mean if you'd want to mark it as spam and deletes it fair 
eternal veldt
Personally, the photo is fine. Your sensual wishes, unfortunately, less so, for reasons I have stated before.
For as glorifying as the naval service can seem to be, the unglamorous side is equally miserable, if not worse.
manic latch
I mean I would liked to inhale exhaust of Soyuz as well
Tho it would be safer over goddamn coal burning boiler
German coal as well
alpine onyx
I am weird, but nowhere near that kinky as some of you
eternal veldt
You'd change your tune when you see a diesel turbine
maiden citrus
turbo electric engine in unit arrangement got me actin unwise
cinder escarp
I know the text says this is for the Tiger, but isn't that piece of track link d...
That is the Tiger II shoe, yes. Apologies for the delay, but Panzer VI Ausf. B... is the Tiger II. Tiger I is Ausf/Model H1 & E. There are no other models either, the Tiger designation is the most cursed German AFV designation I can think of. It's both non-linear and has multiple separate vehicles in the same designation.
(There was a Ausf H2 planned, back when the designation was first drawn up and it sort of made sense - the H was for Henschel as you may have guessed. But then H2 never happened for a bunch of actually legitimately good reasons, and when they updated H2 they put it at... E for some damn reason. And then the funny mustache guy declares that Tiger II gets to share a designation as another model of Panzer VI instead of being Panzer VII. That was assigned to the Lowe, and then Maus programs.)
desert agate
why did England adopt the Gregorian calendar after England converted to Anglicanism under Henry VIII
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<:ThinkZed:499452664619466762> why did England adopt the Gregorian calendar afte...
Which calender is that again?
desert agate
The calendar that we use today
desert agate
Which was created by Pope Gregory XIII
Well functionally it's no different to the Julian calendar
The Gregorian calendar made some minor adjustments thanks to some phenomenon with Earth's orbit which the Romans weren't aware of
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Well duh
desert agate
I just wonder why the newly established Anglican Church would in any way shape or form adopt a catholic institution such as the Gregorian calendar
Especially given the animosity of the protestant reformation and the subsequent wars that killed a solid 1/3 of Europe
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Probably because they saw hot it was setup and were like: yes
desert agate
thats not an educational answer
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Idfk, only the ones back then would know why not ask them
Otherwise be grateful for it
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Ik
desert agate
if someone asks a question its general policy to provide educated answers, ideally with some source material attached
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Well I don't fucking know
desert agate
so why answer
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Cause you asked a question
desert agate
in any case i more or less found my own answer
desert agate
Cause you asked a question
yes but you didnt actually have an answer 
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Educated guess
And technically I did answer the question just not to what you were wanting
desert agate
evidently by 1750 the rest of Europe had adopted the Gregorian calendar and English merchants found it difficult to conduct trade which led to the decision to adopt the Gregorian calendar
no doubt the Act of Union uniting Scotland and England, with Scotland itself using the Gregorian calendar helped matters
clear scroll
Makes sense, go with the flow
desert agate
credit to the Romans for their calendar only being about 11 days out after 700 years though
frozen kestrel
That is the Tiger II shoe, yes. Apologies for the delay, but Panzer VI Ausf. B.....
Thank you, now I can finally begin to properly work on my model of Megatron
subtle prawn
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https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/10/france-joins-belgium-and-the-nether...
@spring briar @delicate beacon
desert agate
Who would have thought that using a capable high altitude interceptor platform as a ground attacker was going to cause significant airframe losses
F-104 was a capable platform just not for what the Germans used it for
Thanks Lockheed Martin bribery
spring briar
l;qo
frozen kestrel
Watching the Bismarck music video again and saw this ship again. Is that a Town-class or some other light cruiser?
deep apex
That's a town class
frozen kestrel
why the fuck are the bismarck's blueprints so inconsistent... 
frozen kestrel
That's a town class
thanks
deep apex
Crown colony class looks similar-ish but has larger superstructure
frozen kestrel
why the fuck are the bismarck's blueprints so inconsistent... <:Mikasapped:58862...
and now I can't find Hood's...
And Prince of Wales' blueprints are going to PUT ME IN DEBT
shrewd pecan
alpine onyx
why the fuck are the bismarck's blueprints so inconsistent... <:Mikasapped:58862...
Bismarck's blueprints are fairly consistent, as long as you use the finalized ones and not the ones where she is still using 35cm guns. But they are in different folders on invenio, so once you know, you can avoid the outdated ones
Eugen's plans are worse, since some plans still have a slightly differently arranged superstructure, which is more difficult to identify
somber knoll
chonk bote
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Bismarck's blueprints are fairly consistent, as long as you use the finalized on...
Invenio?
somber knoll
The OG cow bote before Kashino (Holstein is a type of cow, got it?)
last lance
last lance
I'm curious what exactly happend to Schlewig Holstein
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https://fxtwitter.com/UnseenOps/status/1712598695672242253?t=-ly25rAkhQpxzvkM7Pj...
Almost forgot that was an actual thing they did
somber knoll
I'm curious what exactly happend to Schlewig Holstein
Sunk, refloated, then made target practice by the Soviets
last lance
Sunk, refloated, then made target practice by the Soviets
Ok he deseved that
*deserved
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Sunk, refloated, then made target practice by the Soviets
Imagine refloating old ships just so they can be sunk again
somber knoll
Imagine refloating old ships just so they can be sunk again
more like once the ammo is out they can scrap it to be sold
ez money
and blowing off steam
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I'd rather save the ship entirely and restore it either to museum quality or full working condition
desert agate
she was scuttled in shallow water and was a shipping hazard so refloating her was necessary
and in what world are the Soviets, after WW2, giving the Germans a museum ship
and attempting to restore such an old ship to combat condition isnt in any way shape or form cost effective
the ship had to be moved and the Soviets had no interest in preserving her, it was either scrap her for money or use her for a SINKEX
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and attempting to restore such an old ship to combat condition isnt in any way s...
I don't care about cost effective
grave ravine
The Soviet used a lot of old German and Japanese ships as targets
The Americans did too, but all at once lol
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And eugen was one of them
somber knoll
they even used their own
grave ravine
IX-300
somber knoll
should have preserved gremlin carrier
desert agate
I don't care about cost effective
i think the Soviets who just fought the most brutal and expensive war in history did