history

[junior trench]

Bottom armor

All the angles

All the funnel trunking

[somber knoll]

Das funni when the few successful (for a lack of a better term) capital German ships used triples like the Scharnhorsts (Scheer when Manjuu)

[uncut skiff]

scharn good culture

[junior trench]

The Deutschlands use two triples because that's the absolute most efficient way to fit 6 11" guns onto a hull that small

[uncut skiff]

strong girl

[junior trench]

And the Scharns are just

Making the most of what they've got

[somber knoll]

can't deny that. for their hull size

[uncut skiff]

surely the germans couldve made a bigger gun for those hulls

💀

[junior trench]

They were

It wasn't available

[uncut skiff]

oh well

[junior trench]

Also the British were really jumpy

[uncut skiff]

when were they not

when another power were to challenge their ability to oppress colonies

[junior trench]

Because shoving smaller caliber than usual guns onto the Scharns had the opposite effect of the intended soothing of British worries about there being another repeat of a class like the D-lands

[somber knoll]

Yeh, it was already allocated to Bisko and Derpitz and the two needed to wait until the next batch

that never happened.

[uncut skiff]

i meant

instead of putting 283s, surely they couldve considered say a 305?

from a design phase

or was there a specific reason for that calibre

[alpine onyx]

Could've, but the tooling for 283mm was there and with a slight barrel lengthening and a new shell design it fit the needs without being too straining on the already thin ressources of inter war Germany

[uncut skiff]

ah

economic reasons

[junior trench]

Also design team limitations

Why did

Discord

What

Whatever

The D-land's 11" guns were the first modern German large caliber naval guns made in quite a while

So making a super-11" was just much more reasonable on time constraints

[uncut skiff]

i see

[somber knoll]

ain't they also consider the fact that scharnhorsts were meant to use 380s like Bisko, since that was the earlier requirement for the O-Class as well?

Tho I figured that the 380 requirement was a late addition

[alpine onyx]

Sources disagree on that, but I steer towards the concrete decision to slap the 380mm C34 onto them being a later thought, with the general outlook towards an upgunning being deemed possible during the design stage to please some grumpy onlookers

[somber knoll]

oof

[uncut skiff]

me waiting for azl scharnhorst and gnies retro

[alpine onyx]

Mainly because the blueprint for Gneisenau's 380mm rearmament is dated 1942

[uncut skiff]

🥱

[alpine onyx]

Which'd be a tad bit late if it was planned from the get go

[somber knoll]

sounds like another day at Oberkommando der Marine office

[alpine onyx]

[somber knoll]

Should have gone with the O-class

[alpine onyx]

Eh

38cm O-class is a solution looking for a problem

A potential 38cm Gneisenau would have a superior AA armament, better protection all around, and the benefit of having been in service long enough to get kinks worked out. What the O-class would've offered is 2-3kn more speed, and more cruising range

because no idea why they decided to halve the heavy AA over the rest of the capital ships

And the armament makes no sense on the O-class. Against the opponents that existed, it would be overkill (and detrimental due to lower shell counts) against cruisers and smaller, yet with her armor she would have to steer clear of anything bigger

[somber knoll]

"surface raider"

tho removing that much of an AA would have been too much of an oversight when they didn't consider the advent of carriers.

Very German

[alpine onyx]

The O-class was really just an afterthought

[uncut skiff]

surely they made it so it could be turned into a cute girl in a gacha game 80y later

[alpine onyx]

Don't think that has happened yet

[somber knoll]

sees Agir and the potential Siegfried

eh

[uncut skiff]

odin is o class no?

[alpine onyx]

O-class but-improved exists in the form of Aegir

[somber knoll]

Preliminaries for the Scharnhorsts

[uncut skiff]

oh

[somber knoll]

but her name is weird

[alpine onyx]

Because going 3x3 305mm over 3x2 380mm on that design makes sense

[somber knoll]

because it implies that she has O-class precedence

[alpine onyx]

Fair enough, zeco made a sketch for an O-class, but that's the coal in a can game

[somber knoll]

which she is not

[uncut skiff]

coal in the can 💀

[alpine onyx]

Best to just stick to the Scharnhorsts, much more precious

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxUZowTogEc

[quaint pond]

ye

[somber knoll]

Raeder: it just works

™️

[manic latch]

Wonder if there is money reward for spotting the missing F-35

Cmon Horse we got a 80 million treasure to find

[maiden citrus]

it's right on top of me I'll look for it tommarow

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1703538125232849303

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Today is #NationalFoxDay. Because a fox-shaped spirit is an omen of doom in Japanese folklore, the U.S. developed a psychological warfare campaign during WWII that included releasing foxes sprayed with glow-in-the-dark paint in Japan. "Operation Fantasia" was never executed.

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Twitter · Sep 17, 2023, 10:35 PM

[sullen canyon]

That would of been funny if it happened

[haughty mountain]

Hi bro, do you know what type of weapon this German troop carrying?

At first I thought it was just captured Bren. but after I looked closely the muzzle of the barrel was different from the bren

I think this might be a type 96 but the sight looks different too

JAPAN TYPE 96

Oh yeah also the magazine is different

do any of you know?

[desert agate]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZB_vz._26

without a doubt

the AA sight also matches

[haughty mountain]

Oooh Yes I really Forgot that

Thanks you bro

[haughty mountain]

Oooh you true this weapon really get used by SS

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajQhLYgohGM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1703812955421151390

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Happy 76th birthday to @usairforce—the largest and most powerful air force in the world. #DYK that in terms of size and capabilities, the second largest air force in the world is the combined U.S. Navy and Marine Corps?

Twitter · Sep 18, 2023, 4:47 PM

https://twitter.com/NSAGov/status/1703723059142611324

NSA/CSS (@NSAGov)

#DYK that NSA works with elements of the Armed Forces in support of national intelligence objectives? Today we wish our @usairforce colleagues a happy 76th birthday! Here's to many more years of keeping the country safe. #WeAreTheIC

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Twitter · Sep 18, 2023, 10:50 AM

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-35-cant-be-found-after-pilot-ejected

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1703868718025982367

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1996, a taxi driver spotted an abandoned North Korean submarine stuck off the coast of Gangneung, South Korea. For 49 days, the ROK Army pursued the DPRK infiltrators. 24 infiltrators were killed and one was captured. One may have made it back to North Korea.

Twitter · Sep 18, 2023, 8:28 PM

[junior trench]

That would be because the SS was separate from the Heer's normal supply chain for quite a while

[grave ravine]

Stupid Nazi parallel structures

[junior trench]

E.g. while the Heer was running around with MG34s, the SS were scraping together foreign, interwar, and refit WW1 MGs

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0IYwCcP2ZE

[manic latch]

https://www.reading.ac.uk/news/2023/Research-News/Pearl-Harbor-Bombed-battleships-boost-for-climate-science

[strange whale]

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/wwii-shipwrecks-battle-of-midway-japanese-imperial-navy-akagi-kaga-uss-yorktown/
Dropping here just cuz I felt it was cool.

[grave ravine]

If you scroll up a few days in the channel there were a bunch of screenshots mainly from the Akagi and Kaga dives posted

In addition someone over on Drach's server took an absurd number of screenshots from the Akagi and Kaga dives and shared them

[thorny patio]

SB2C "helldiver"

Apparently the best DB in AL but disliked among the pilots who used her in ww2 XD

[somber knoll]

more like finicky when first adopted.

[thorny patio]

I mean, it was nicknamed "Son of a Bitch; 2nd Class"

I find that hilarious

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/09/18/search-ongoing-for-missing-marine-f-35b-officials-ask-public-for-help

[strange whale]

Where? I swear I scrolled up back to the 13th and didn’t see a post about this already

[manic latch]

@tough quail https://twitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1704099524371767681?t=SVb7l3tP3DWO8jN5GY0lYw&s=19

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski)

Due to the delay in the MGCS program, the LECLERC tank will be subject to another modernization, the full scope of which will not be known until 2025.
But it can already be assumed that this will include: "Redesigning, in particular, some of the sights, but also adding elements…

Twitter · Sep 19, 2023, 11:46 AM

[tough quail]

splendid

[spring briar]

New round pls

[manic latch]

"120 SHARD anti-tank missile developed by KNDS ammunition specialis"

Sorry Rich

It's a missile

[spring briar]

[strong plank]

https://youtu.be/Rxd7Jc-HcGM?si=wIs5CsCUmEpivk1e

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/ElbitSystemsLtd/status/1704137073920270552

Elbit Systems (@ElbitSystemsLtd)

Proud of our contribution to the Merkava Barak – Israel's 5th generation battle tank. After five years of dedicated development, the Israeli Ministry of Defense has unveiled the 'Barak' tank that will serve the IDF Armored Corps.
1/3

Twitter · Sep 19, 2023, 2:15 PM

[grave ravine]

Starts here #history message

[autumn sorrel]

So, Merkava?

I kinda expect something else

[strange whale]

So a little over a week ago. I just saw this on the news last night. Thanks

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy7MUxLYchA

[remote monolith]

so among the 4 IJN carriers lost st Midway, Soryu and Hiryu are still unaccounted for right

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/USNavy/status/1704148366425194783

U.S. Navy (@USNavy)

The USS San Jacinto receives its DD214. ⚓ 🎉 🙌

📍 NORFOLK (Sept. 15, 2023) Sailors participate in the decommissioning ceremony of the guided-missile cruiser USS San Jacinto (CG 56). San Jacinto was decommissioned after more than 35 years of service.

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Twitter · Sep 19, 2023, 3:00 PM

[near raptor]

Are there any books that compares Japanese and American carrier doctrine?

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzTTGqVaz3I

[grave ravine]

There are a number of them, but possibly the best place to start IMO would be Shattered Sword

It's notable that both fleet's doctrines evolved over the war

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1704160768176918780

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski)

The Israeli Ministry of Defense reveals the Merkava IV Barak MBT.
https://t.co/o1BPYSvg74

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Twitter · Sep 19, 2023, 3:49 PM

[near raptor]

I already read Shattered Sword, it's a wonderful book

[grave ravine]

I feel like from there Kaigun and the two The First Team books would be the next ones, have you read those?

[near raptor]

Kaigun is on my wishlist, haven't read them yet

Looking forward to it

[eternal veldt]

the 2nd cardiv remains unsurveyed. Both Ballard and the RV Petrel took an ROV to survey the 1st cardiv.

Not helped that Hiryu's wreck is likely quite far away from the others, being a longer survivor and remained afloat for a considerable time after scuttling attempts.

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coWfAg1vXFE

[remote monolith]

ye figures

I remember Hiryu wandered quiote a bit

[thorn trail]

@alpine onyx Sorry for pinging but do you have that turret design that's basically the entire basis for Roon in WoWs

[eternal veldt]

Makigumo torpedoed her at night, but she remained afloat by the time Hosho's planes spotted her in the morning

that's how you get this famous photo

and this one too, I suppose

[autumn sorrel]

What is the big funnel thing behind T-80 turret?

T-80BVM to be exact

[thorn trail]

that's the only thing we know about that turret right?

[alpine onyx]

Potentially. There's another 203mm three gun turret in the archive, with some more data, but those things are always a bit tricky

[manic latch]

Part of the snorkel system for fording rivers. The turret is locked in a specific orientation that positions that unit over the air intakes, and a collapsible snorkel is attached to the top portion.

[wintry moat]

There’s a kind of sadness to seeing a ship left to die

[autumn sorrel]

Ah, it bc they don't have the cut out hole to throw out shell casing like T-72 and T-90?

[manic latch]

No it's for snorkel

You know

Water

[autumn sorrel]

I know, I remember a GDR T-72 tanker said that the door where the spent shell casing is throw out can also be fitted with snorkel for river crossing

[manic latch]

You just need a hole that can take air in ye

[autumn sorrel]

Damn, that is a big ass snorkel

[manic latch]

Gas turbine engine

They need lot of air

[wintry moat]

It’s gotta cross deep ass rivers as well right?

[manic latch]

Not sure what's the limit

T-64 should have the largest one

[autumn sorrel]

It always bug me that the funnel behind the turret is asymmetrical, any reason for that?

[manic latch]

It bugs me too

Maybe it's about water tight need about turret position dunno

Or the placement of engine intakes

[autumn sorrel]

Oh wait, didn't Soviet tank need the turret to point at angle so the driver can get out safely?

Maybe with river crossing, they have the turret point at angle and the funnel was design that way to fit the air intake when the turret is angle

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC-j7le8i_0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WasICjSL2YY

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rMTlJNcIQ

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1704539742451179670

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1995, an F-14 Tomcat from USS Abraham Lincoln exploded due to the catastrophic failure of an engine after conducting a supersonic flyby of USS John Paul Jones. The pilot and radar intercept officer ejected and were quickly recovered with only minor injuries.

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Twitter · Sep 20, 2023, 4:55 PM

[frozen kestrel]

what the fuck

[supple surge]

River crossings are still dangerous tank operations

[spiral cedar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himeyuri_students

[quaint pond]

fucking hell

didn’t know there was a whole group/unit of them

[strong plank]

Was doing some reading and came across this gem

[shrewd pecan]

poor mans FLIR

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1704878907525099854

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1956, the pilot of an F-11F Tiger managed to shoot himself down. After going into a dive and test-firing the 20-mm cannons, he inadvertently outraced the rounds and then crossed their path. The fighter took multiple hits, forcing the pilot to crash land.

Twitter · Sep 21, 2023, 3:23 PM

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1704848457217851661?s=20

Navy Lookout (@NavyLookout)

RIP.
Three 🇿🇦South African submariners have died after seven of the casing party from SAS Manthatisi were swept off the boat while conducting VERTERP with Lynx helicopter in high seas off Capetown.

https://t.co/djCZtNIdZ5

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Twitter · Sep 21, 2023, 1:22 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgP-ExPPmTE

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1704907484094152857

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1951, HMS Unicorn became the first aircraft carrier to conduct a shore bombardment when she used her four twin mount QF 4-inch Mk XVI dual purpose guns to shell North Korean coast watchers at Chopekki Point.

Twitter · Sep 21, 2023, 5:16 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1704949964709740827

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1997, a computer glitch caused USS Yorktown (CG-48) to be dead in the water for almost three hours. The Yorktown had recently been upgraded through the Navy's "Smart Ship Program", but the propulsion system failed because the computers crashed after trying to divide by 0.

Twitter · Sep 21, 2023, 8:05 PM

[maiden citrus]

one of the most windows moments

[spring briar]

@tough quail

kukri bayonet

[tough quail]

thats rad

[spring briar]

need

[tough quail]

y e s

[wintry moat]

Bruh

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/09/21/hii-lays-keel-for-future-big-deck-amphib-uss-fallujah

[shrewd pecan]

mrap horse carrier

[quaint pond]

JS Hatakaze (Right) and JS Kashima (left) doing a port visit of San Diego

[runic ermine]

Yep I remember that

[halcyon bane]

Twin bofors ❤️

[desert agate]

HMAS Vampire i presume

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1705065883272458582

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1950, the Royal Navy accidentally sank two yachts in Portland Harbour after a dummy torpedo fired from a test range ran amok. The runaway torpedo smashed through the two boats before coming to rest on the shore under the 16th-century Sandsfoot Castle.

Twitter · Sep 22, 2023, 3:45 AM

[summer pendant]

Sounds very similar to the one time a U.S. navy ship fired a torpedo at the ship carrying FDR. Accidentally of course

[cunning salmon]

Syntax error lol

[maiden citrus]

"Why Windows NT Server 4.0 continues to exist in the enterprise would be a topic appropriate for an investigative report in the field of psychology or marketing, not an article on information technology," said John Kirch, a networking consultant and Microsoft certified professional, in his white paper, Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 versus Unix. "Technically, Windows NT Server 4.0 is no match for any Unix operating system."```

[manic latch]

Clem theme plays

[manic latch]

@shrewd pecan

Finally

The development of an anti-tank guided missile with a kinetic warhead began in the US during the late 80s. Based on the HVM air-to-air missile, the intention was to create an anti-tank missile that would strike its target with hypersonic speed while utilizing an armor-piercing core. One proposed variant of the system used the chassis of the CCVL light tank equipped with 12 missile tubes. Following the collapse of the USSR, work on the concept nearly halted until the late 90s when the LOSAT (Line-of-Sight Anti-Tank) project, now as a technology demonstrator, again attracted the attention of the US military. The program received funding for refinement and testing, and in 2002 the LOSAT system was even assigned an official operational name, MGM-166A. However, after a series of tests, the program was terminated and the vehicle never made it into operational units.

[silver crest]

alternate history normies be like what if germany won WW1 or WW2
alternate history enjoyers:

[grave ravine]

Welp, guess I'm grinding that event now

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AArQLWXx_bA

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrz-nVPgdSU

[warm finch]

I remember reading about the times the Germans encountered KV-1s for the first time and oh god it still gives me joy.

[autumn sorrel]

Laser tank when

[shrewd pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-swipe-gif-10863986

lol I’m not grinding a crafting event when I can buy it at the cheap for like 20 bucks

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1705304971221049631

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1987, a Navy F-14 shot down a USAF RF-4C during a war game. The RF-4C was conducting a simulated attack on USS Saratoga when the F-14 pilot became confused and launched a live sidewinder. The RF-4C crew ejected and were recovered. The F-14 pilot never flew again.

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Twitter · Sep 22, 2023, 7:36 PM

[wintry moat]

Bruh

what a way to kill your career

[spiral cedar]

Threat to the safety of all around

[zealous vine]

Im dumb, but has there ever been a tank loading design that's like this, but horizontal

[wintry moat]

Like sideways?

[tough quail]

fleet air defense means

FLEET

AIR

DEFENSE

NO EXCEPTIONS

[zealous vine]

yah

[wintry moat]

Wirblewind has them sideways

[zealous vine]

I mean on large-caliber guns

100mm+

[wintry moat]

Well tanks usually don’t have magazines

just individual shells

[zealous vine]

im aware

I meant on a conveyor-belt design

like a carousel

but level with the breech

[strong plank]

Not really much of a reason to

Either the gun has to reset to a certain point to be reloaded or the whole mechanism has to move with the gun

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/CavasShips/status/1705345332618433019

Chris Cavas (@CavasShips)

USS BUNKER HILL CG52 held her decommissioning ceremony 22 Sept at San Diego. The first Ticonderoga-class cruiser with vertical launch systems was commissioned in Sept 1986, served a very fine 37 years. BZ and thank you! https://t.co/6ac1E7qaXn

Twitter · Sep 22, 2023, 10:16 PM

[grave ravine]

Only thing I can think of is Chi-Ri's silly 2 round tray

[eternal veldt]

There is one I can think of

The T114

That said, its more... a recoiless rifle? And the thing isnt exactly a "tank".

[shrewd pecan]

It’s a autoloaded recoilless rifle

[eternal veldt]

in a converted APC hull, yes.

[grave ravine]

yeah, its the M40, one of the most prolific recilless rifles

same gun thats on Ontos as well

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/Warship_78/status/1705146946141249994

USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) (@Warship_78)

Ever wonder how we get mail, food, and supplies at sea?
Here’s how:
🚁📦
#replenishmentatsea #ussgeraldrford #wemakeitlookeasy #usnavy #ras

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Twitter · Sep 22, 2023, 9:08 AM

[fierce sparrow]

bringing Big Bird into space... using the Challenger Space Shuttle.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1705608423725740539

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1970, TORA! TORA! TORA! premiered. The spectacular scene with a P-40 crashing into other fighters was an accident caused when the stunt radio-controlled plane went out of control. The crew seen running for their lives were not acting. The director decided to use the shot.

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Twitter · Sep 23, 2023, 3:41 PM

[random trench]

i think we should continue the convo here

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAvW7KaLOX8

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AOAhH0xuo8

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1705653224131174654

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

In the 1970s, ADM Stansfield Turner took a visiting Soviet admiral to the Boston Pops to show him American culture. When they returned to the Lincoln Continental that the Navy had rented, all the tires including the spare had been stolen.
#SeaStorySaturday

Twitter · Sep 23, 2023, 6:39 PM

[manic latch]

Could have been worse

Take him to Detroit

[warm finch]

Batman reference I think

[frozen kestrel]

Okay, I saw the image from WoWs and now I gotta know, is FdG a Bismarck-class?

[grave ravine]

no, FdG is a Weegee interpretation of the H-39 plans

[frozen kestrel]

Okay, because that render they have of her is really messing with me

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/JonHawkes275/status/1705528936191713336

Jon Hawkes (@JonHawkes275)

Hungary's Lynx compared to a BMP-1.

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Twitter · Sep 23, 2023, 10:26 AM

[frozen kestrel]

Assuming Prinz Eugen's hull was painted with that anti-oxidation paint, what are the RGB values of that color? (Weird question, I know)

[eternal veldt]

Which part of the hull? the underwater antifouling paint?

[frozen kestrel]

the red paint, I guess

[eternal veldt]

Redbrown
RAL No. 8013 *

[frozen kestrel]

What are the RGB values of that?

[frozen kestrel]

Thanks

I'm trying to make her Rheinunbung paint scheme in a game, and trying to stay as accurate as possible

Is this good?

Or historically inaccurate?

[eternal veldt]

It's about right.

[frozen kestrel]

alright

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/u_IsWdBOjXc?si=jOFMDQDqvLHD-UQ6

https://youtu.be/ilDP5jvsDek?si=keUwnyCS58cgeacq

[cunning salmon]

The BMP must me cramped as hell

[manic latch]

It is

Only children can sit comfortable level

[cunning salmon]

Can't imagine how it's like being tall in the Russian Military

[manic latch]

Pray you end up in Bmp-3

That thing does have more comfy space

[cunning salmon]

But where does the engine go if there's people behind?

Like is it on the side of the door?

[autumn sorrel]

It is behind, on the floor

[dusty kraken]

just lie down in there to be comfortable smh

[cunning salmon]

My god

[dusty kraken]

and fit a CATOBAR system into there so you get yeeted out

[autumn sorrel]

The soldier above is exiting over the engine compartment

[manic latch]

They are going over it

That "bump" is engine

[autumn sorrel]

Man, I love the BMP-3

Such a good idea about IFV

Also, what with British gov and regularly destroying/vandalism old warship?

I understand low budget but blowing up ship or dismantle last surviving memble of entire shipping era sound kinda dickish

[desert agate]

Monehe

Money

[rapid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-gif-26300412

[tough quail]

man i wish my mom drove me to school in a bmp

[subtle prawn]

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/tory-mp-inexplicably-asks-for-nuclear-powered-frigates/

[waxen prawn]

It’s 5 in shell vs a water bottle

[solid mango]

[spring briar]

SHELL

[remote monolith]

was there any documentation of how individuals in the Imperial Navy reacted after knowing the disaster at Midway? Specifically Yamamoto, since it was his idea

[autumn sorrel]

Just me remember how brit try to scrap their literal naval history

[autumn sorrel]

I can understand Vanguard and other big fleet unit but scrap the motor boat that do Kronstadt raid and the last 74 guns frigate?

Sadly, few

Implacable

[wintry moat]

I have

[tight violet]

i've been trying to research how these control towers are set up, i assume first floor is meteorological stuff, and then the upper floor is control center and top house is the visual observation area

but my pic has three main storeys so idk how differently this tower is set up

[desert agate]

The old control tower at RAAF Pearce more or less had the bottom floor for service and control vehicles, and at one point the fire trucks before those were moved, then above that was a kitchen/break room and above that there was comes and the like before the tower itself above that

I've been up the new tower on base but that's opsec

[tight violet]

i mean the old end-ww2 and shortly after towers

found this too

[desert agate]

Yes the old tower at RAAF Pearce was built in the 40s iirc

[unkempt sedge]

Not gonna lie this would be a dream home for me......

https://youtu.be/SM2r5B5FF-M?si=wmyQiS6lMErCqXnf

[manic latch]

@tough quail

Soviet P-35 anti ship missile impact

[fierce sparrow]

[tough quail]

horrifying

[cinder escarp]

1A6 bad

do not pass go

[dusty kraken]

Dollar store leopard 2 looking ass

[dapper parcel]

Somehow look less cursed than M60-2000

[autumn sorrel]

Honestly, not that bad looking of a tank

[glacial mortar]

hey guys I have a stupid question. will you humor me? can modern ships intercept an incoming bb shell?

[spring briar]

No

They can’t

[glacial mortar]

good to know 🙂

[maiden citrus]

Only with exceptional luck in their positioning and some very nice missile work I imagine

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, CIWS can at least intercept 8inch shell but BB shell is basically a steel hunk, can't pen to explode it

[glacial mortar]

[spring briar]

Even then, what is the chance that a missile will then be able to penetrate the foot or more of steel to reach the burster
Too small of a chance to be of any use

Shell stronk

[maiden citrus]

Yeah quite low chance

[autumn sorrel]

Aren't all modern AA missile use proxi fuze? I don't think of any left still use kinetic impact

[maiden citrus]

Hence needing a lot of missile skill to do it at all

[spring briar]

Our little babies can fire 12 shells

[maiden citrus]

[shrewd pecan]

Depends on the vessel

And the sensor suite

[shrewd pecan]

A lot of modern missiles use kinetic impact

[autumn sorrel]

SM6?

[old lily]

USS Wyoming building up steam to leave New York, 1915

[spring briar]

Still isn’t going to do much

[chilly osprey]

I think they main thing would be just knocking the projectile off course?

But when every salvo has 2-4 rounds or more.... the math does not get favorable.

Realistically, aside from the obvious 'kill it before it gets in gun range/don't let it get in gun range', the best defense against gunfire from a WWI to WWII era ship is just maneuver.

The types of maneuver possible with modern diesel and gas turbine power ships will really throw the WWII-era fire control systems for a loop.

[shrewd pecan]

I was answering his previous question regarding proxy fuse warheads

[chilly osprey]

And they will most likely have to shoot optically, too, because no doubt any fire control radar is going to be jammed by EA.

[spring briar]

[spring briar]

If the difference in momentum isn’t too high

[remote monolith]

https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-have-discovered-the-remains-of-two-455-million-year-old-worms/#google_vignette

the
the unfathomably old worms

[grave ravine]

There aren't many on ships that do, the only one on US warships that I can think of is SM-3, and I don't think you could hit a shell with it. LM is however integrating PAC-3 into Mk-41, and that would provide a good interceptor for knocking shells out of the sky

[limber kayak]

I see a lot of cases of black lung in the future

Wyoming didn't get converted to fuel oil by then right?

[frozen kestrel]

Okay, genuine question, but how the hell do cage masts work?

[dapper parcel]

Ever look at a bamboo/rattan basket?

Granted most were actually welded to each other, so it's more like a tube with a lot of holes

[frozen kestrel]

Elaborate

[wintry moat]

Instead of being a solid piece it’s. A bunch of small tubes welded together to make a giant tower

It’s like Wicker baskets but metal

or that’s how I understand it

[dapper parcel]

All elements of a cage mast are straight beam, so ideally they're very strong when there's no bending moment acting on them
one set are "leaned" clockwise while the other are ccw, so ideally each groups counteracts any bending moment caused by vertical loading

By the way it might be easier to visualize how each elements are supposed to interact if you reduce the elements to minimum amount necessary and not crossing each other

[junior trench]

Considering how "small" the target is in a naval context

You really don't need a direct hit to nudge a shell off target

And of course this is ignoring that missiles in the Standard series (can't speak to the rest) have this really funny habit of making use of their contact fuze rather frequently

[old lily]

off the spotting mast inhaling coal fired boilers we go

why was i not born a high seas fleet sailor

i dont care if i'll die horribly getting my body split open by a hot shrapnel of royal navy 15" gun

i want to be at the spotting mast inhaling thick black boiler smoke watching the battle of skagerrak unfolds

[eternal veldt]

Thats an awfully romanctised account

And if anything, you're most likely stuck in port and given shit ration most of the days

Or worse, stuck at Scapa Flow

No mail, no training, no dental care

[autumn sorrel]

Be Regia Marina sailor
Good food

[eternal veldt]

your wine hold gets penetrated again by a lancaster while sitting in port

[strong plank]

You can still get your fill of lung problems by joining an AC-130 crew

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/no-alcohol-wheres-the-alcohol-when-you-show-up-to-a-party-sober-when-theres-no-alcohol-rum-gif-11756218

[random trench]

Lancasters were funny

There usage though?

Literally horrifying

Yes Dresden we’ll give you a firestorm!!!!!

[eternal veldt]

By that metric, so is any weapon of war

[manic latch]

Wrong

I would use Soyuz as loving entity

[random trench]

Some planes are just big funny tho

Like yes I want a tank cannon on the nose of my plane

[limber kayak]

Be regia marina shot spotter

don't know what to call out because you hit both a km short and a km too far

[desert agate]

RM misinformation?

in my ALO #history ?

its more likely than you think

[tough quail]

get the mallet

[eternal veldt]

The consequence of Drach

Heehoo, Gavdos is the sole demonstration of Italian naval competence

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/09/25/2-a-10-warthogs-drill-with-u-s-destroyer-in-middle-east-maritime-exercise

[limber kayak]

That comes from HMS Orion anecdotes where they were constantly straddled by shots from the same salvo

The SS Andrea Doria from the 1950s would have been great to work on until it not suffered it's bad accident

[shrewd pecan]

https://x.com/PAVE_naught/status/1697990261991714900?s=20

PAVE_naught (@PAVE_naught)

Martin Marietta's T-16, a derivative of the Patriot missile designed for the Assault Breaker program. launched from ground or air, it delivered twenty smart submunitions able to independently identify and destroy armored targets. ultimately, the MGM-140 ATACMS would take its role

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Twitter · Sep 2, 2023, 3:10 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/AndreiS49747209/status/1706543824309289027

Dacian Draco🇷🇴🇪🇺 (@AndreiS49747209)

🇷🇴Romania: the bid for first 54 tracked howitzers worth $900 million has 3 competitors left.

🇹🇷Firtina T-155
🇩🇪PzH 2000
🇰🇷K9 Thunder

The winner is chosen before the end of the year and the technical offer counts 70% while the price 30%. Its Stage I of a larger howitzer program.

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Twitter · Sep 26, 2023, 5:38 AM

[random trench]

How about the M10 Booker everyone

That shit is NOT an AFV like they say it is

[eternal veldt]

And reports from Iachino also reports good straddles on the target - I wouldnt trust both too much, where things tend to get carried away in stress - and in the case of the British cruisers, they very much are with the hapless Gloucester dragging the other ships down while Veneto is bearing down on them.

Photographic evidence and rough estimations from @chilly osprey also suggest that the salvos are not that of kilometers apart, unless it is that of a six gun salvo - in which case, more evidence is needed to determine whether the ship is doing ladder firing, or if that was a full salvo.

[near raptor]

Would it be accurate to say that the United States fired the first shot of the Pacific Theatre by establishing a trade embargo against Japan in mid-1941? Without an oil supplier in the form of the United States Japan knew they’d need to conquer land for oil, they knew that with the state of the world they would probably be pulled into World War Two if they attacked anyone which would pit them against the United States; so they preemptively attacked with the goal of crippling the Pacific Fleet which would have allowed them to expand to other easier to conquer countries to satiate their oil requirements.

Japan may have begun hostilities, but their hands were tied and their actions forced.

[manic latch]

By that logic Japan did the first by causing the sanction

[eternal veldt]

Id draw attention especially to the Panay incident and the Allison incident.

The former is a sinking of a foreign warship, which Japan just went "oops, teehee".

Furthermore, the US demand was crystal clear: cease aggression against the RoC, and withdraw from the conquered areas.

This was of course viewed as losing face and political suicide in the turbulent and militaristic Japanese government at that time - but in the same vein, Japan chose to take the gamble.

As such, you could also argue that Japan's insistence upon the continential policy is the gunshot.

[autumn sorrel]

Gee, I wonder who forced them to begin war with China

Be Kwantung Army
Tokyo told you to stand the fuck down
Start war anyway

[eternal veldt]

There are also a few things worth noting that greatly degraded Japanese-western relationships - on top of my head:

1. The 21 demands to China - effectively ceding control of China to Japan, which conflicted with US/British interests in the region, most specifically the "Open Door Policy" initiated by the US
2. Washington Naval Treaty - Japan's perception that the allocation of 5:5:3 tonnage being unjust
3. The Invasion of Manchukuo, and the subsequent withdrawal of Japan from the League of Nations, as well as the renunciation of WNT/LNT

[autumn sorrel]

On the 3rd point, I half expected someone to blame the Soviet for not easily folded and surrender therefore invalidate IJA expansion plan northward there and give IJN the argument for their southward plan.

[eternal veldt]

Shit like blowing up your railways then blaming insurgents on the September 18th incident, as well as "yea, missing soldier man, let me into the city" excuses like the Marco Polo bridge incident on 7th July also do not paint you a favourable image

You then also have shockwaves like the atrocities of Nanking being reported

[autumn sorrel]

Japan really doesn't seem that embarass about that either, something something head chopping contest

[eternal veldt]

But I guess to a revisionist, the latter is just an "incident" - but I'll stop here as this strays dangerously close to politics

[autumn sorrel]

Honestly, it does make an interesting argument about a "what if" scenario

Even if FDR don't impose the embargo, Japan war machine still need more material for the war with China and with Brit embroiled in an European conflict with Dutch military severely weaken, those European colonies sure does look tasty

[eternal veldt]

The alternative scenario of a non-US involved Pacific War has been done several times

Honestly, on a purely British led scenario, the outlook is not optimistic

Britain does not have the resources to cater to 3 fronts, and the loss of naval assets early onwards in the theatre was detrimental to British operations and relief efforts

and not just any asset, modern assets

However, the main problem with this, as noted by Japanese analysts, is the Philippines - Geographically a lynchpin and a major threat to the Japanese logistics routes

[autumn sorrel]

Tbh, I can't find a scenario where US DOESN'T go to war with Japan, let Japan eat up SEA and it will turn the balance in the Pacific upside down, even the US in their isolationist period doesn't want to see that kind of situation.

[eternal veldt]

Therefore, the only option is to also convince the US not to intervene with the conquest - and given their relationship in those interwar years, it seems unlikely

[autumn sorrel]

Yep, let US keep Philipine is really dangerous for Japan in the case of war

[eternal veldt]

and truth be told, the analysts are correct

because once the mark 14 was unfucked, Japanese trade marine just dies

either from subs, air attacks, or other means of disposal

[autumn sorrel]

Dutch sub

Man, to see what you can do with an aggressive sub strategy

Shame they got hit hard early on but yeah, IJN always lacking at the escort part

[remote monolith]

you can add the "racial equality proposal" on top of that

[eternal veldt]

Well, that, and simply not having the resources to contend with both at the first place

[remote monolith]

(it really didn't promote any sort of racial equality and was racist af)

[eternal veldt]

You want a joke?

"Greater Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere"

[autumn sorrel]

Honestly, I don't feel bad about Japan proposal got shut down, they are pretty racist toward everyone else in Asia anyway

[autumn sorrel]

[eternal veldt]

mfw 3000 schools here before 1941

[desert agate]

okay but consider
why did the US impose sanctions

[eternal veldt]

36 schools in 1945

[remote monolith]

the proposal's point was basically
-Races existed and is an objective biological concept
-the Japanese race is on par with Europe
-this gives Japan free pass on Colonialism

[eternal veldt]

waow, so prosper, look at all that money saved from axing the entire education system!

books are for losers amirite!

[autumn sorrel]

And many Japanese actually believe that mind you. Many Japanese officer and soldier join Vietminh bc:
a. They hate European
b. They hate the surrendering
c. They believe in "Asia for Asia" propoganda

[eternal veldt]

Japan sees and frames it as a "liberation" from the European Imperialists

this meme is appropriate for once.

[autumn sorrel]

"Hey, stop your rice production and start making cash crop. What? Severe drought that lead to famine? Fuck no, rice are for Japanese only"

[autumn sorrel]

Unironically, very correct

[autumn sorrel]

"Why need education when you can gloriously serve the God Emperor"

Not that "God Emperor"

[eternal veldt]

There is also a rather...incredible mindset

"Hakko Ichiu", all 8 corners under one roof

[remote monolith]

aka basically world domination because the Emperor is supposed to be the highest sovereign on earth

[eternal veldt]

I don't recall the details well by Morisson, but if I recall correctly, Japan believed it is never at "peace" until the world is conquered

In other words, Japan's "surprise attacks" aren't a problem, because they were never at peace anyway

[autumn sorrel]

Tbf, they had that going since Oda Nobunaga

Their plan actually doesn't change that much

[eternal veldt]

International articles and conventions be damned

[autumn sorrel]

Conquer Korea then China, then India and just spread out

[eternal veldt]

And I will always quote the classic

[autumn sorrel]

Man, it will hilarious af if Japan Samurai have to face both Ming and the Manchu

[eternal veldt]

"You were a coward, you didnt fight honourably, so Im executing you"

[remote monolith]

tbf they did in Korea

and to their credit several hundred thousand battle hardened samurai did suprisingly well on land

[eternal veldt]

"You fought bravely and killed too many Japanese men, so Im ordering you to walk to that minefield over there"

Infallible logic

[autumn sorrel]

I shed no tear over Japan war criminals got what coming for them

[autumn sorrel]

You forgot the canibalism

[eternal veldt]

Well, Japanese soldiers are eager to get on any kinds of food - sometimes out of despair

[autumn sorrel]

Till this day, I will never understood why the fuck they did it, not even for hunger sake

[eternal veldt]

I forgot if it was Tenaru or Edson's Ridge - a platoon stumbled upon abandoned K rations

Instantly feasted upon it like no tomorrow

[autumn sorrel]

No, I was thinking about when Japanese officer order Allied pilot to be butchered to get the liver

[autumn sorrel]

Edson's ridge I think

[eternal veldt]

What happens when your supply runs are shitshows and your forces are barely supplied:

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah, japan logistic is literally a horror show

Not even the Soviet are that bad, not even during their worst point in time

[grave ravine]

Oh Chichi Jima

HW Bush nearly got eaten

[deep apex]

What successful submarine warfare does to a mf

[spiral cedar]

Not even remotely. Even if one conveniently ignores (as many do) that the Hull Note was tendered privately, on a tentative basis, and as a basis for future negotiations, and that it is Japanese militarists who choose to misrepresent it as an ultimatum, one has to consider why one would think that one nation not selling another something is a justification for war.

Saying Japanese hands were tied is only true in the sense that it would preserve the careers of the officials in charge. But to say the entire nation had no other choice but to invade multiple other countries simultaneously not only strains credibility, but also denies the Japanese agency. The Japanese leadership made a deliberate choice to gamble the lives of millions of their citizens (and tens of millions of others) in order to protect their personal careers.

It is frankly baffling logic to use the perpetuation of the offensive operations of a military engaging in a war it started as justification to start a new war. Japan needed the US oil insomuch as it "needed" to conquer China--something the Chinese objected to rather strenuously. They have no essential "right" as a state to continue to execute offensive operations against a country they invaded, nor do they have some entitlement to an uninterrupted supply of foreign war materials for the purpose of killing people in a war they started. It's ridiculous.

Even if you wanted to go back further to "well this inevitably caused this chain of events," you could go back and say the 1937 Xi'an Incident was the first ""shot"" of the Pacific War because from then onwards "Japan's hands were tied." US responsibility for the war in the Pacific more or less amounts to mistakenly negotiating on the assumption that the Japanese were willing to come to a reasonable negotiated settlement. The rest is on the guys who decided on, planned, and executed a series of offensive operations across much of the globe--the Japanese leadership.

[strong plank]

The US was also like

actively trying to deter further Japanese aggression

hence why the fleet was moved forward to Pearl

the hope was that with US oil being cutoff, Japan would have to stop moving through China, and it wouldn’t go after US holdings like the Philippines with the Pacific fleet being in a better position to respond

[spiral cedar]

It's the same level of logic as saying Britain and France "fired the first shots" of WWII and that Germany's hands were tied after they declared war on it

[strong plank]

yeah

[spiral cedar]

Actually it's even worse, since Japan intended war with the US. It's more like saying Britain fired the first shots of Operation Barbarossa

[strong plank]

“The UK and France fired the first shots when they declared war on Germany after the fall of Poland”

It’s not as if Japan didn’t have the option to uh

swallow its pride and cease hostilities

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1706670465710989696

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski)

Military parade in the capital of South Korea, Seoul, on the occasion of Armed Forces Day.
📸https://t.co/Zav7SnPOwJ

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Twitter · Sep 26, 2023, 2:02 PM

[manic latch]

I love Military parades

[grave ravine]

The guys on Chichi Jima weren't starving

They were just insane

[shrewd pecan]

Tanks are AFVs

[grave ravine]

As are SPGs

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1706791290170401116

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1983, Lt-Col Stanislav Petrov disregarded protocol by not notifying his superiors after a Soviet nuclear early-warning system indicated that the U.S. had launched five missiles. The false alarm could have triggered a retaliatory strike and large-scale nuclear war.

Twitter · Sep 26, 2023, 10:02 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTDt3UiOqL0

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/09/26/dod-acquisition-chief-seeking-regulatory-nirvana-in-crafting-aukus-deal-industrial-base-remains-concern

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/shreyas_k_reddy/status/1706629833231569132

Shreyas Reddy (@shreyas_k_reddy)

I think we can all agree the highlight of South Korea's first downtown military parade in a decade was the sudden (TV-only) apparition of this virtual Aegis destroyer.

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Twitter · Sep 26, 2023, 11:20 AM

[autumn sorrel]

I love it too but Hanoi ground can't support a tank parade and the gov is too penny pincher to even think about organize one

[random trench]

On the subject of Vietnam, holy hell the US and Vietnam are actually kind of buddy buddy now

[junior trench]

not particularly surprising considering who the eternal enemy is for anyone with a land border to China in the region

[random trench]

The average Joe just sees it as surprising

But like as a geopolitical move that is like the ultimate power move against China unironically

It’s essentially surrounding them on all sides

[junior trench]

kind of sort of

China's geographic position is...

suboptimal

it's borderline an "island", but one locked behind a myriad of martime chokepoints

the addition of Vietnam to the crew doesn't particularly alter the situation

[random trench]

Well yeah but diplomatically

at least I’m under the belief that the only countries really under chinas belt is a few African countries, some in latin America and that’s about it

[grave ravine]

China isn't terribly interested in allies

Plenty of countries in the region would have been willing to work with China

But China burned them

[random trench]

This is true

Unfortunately that leaves China kind of on its own

[somber knoll]

China: creates BRICS
also China: nup, we work on on our own

[grave ravine]

China didn't create BRICS, Goldman Sachs created BRICS

Also a fascinating article that situates China's foreign policy within historical precedents https://warontherocks.com/2023/05/china-and-the-alliance-allergy-of-rising-powers/

[random trench]

Tbh I would welcome a regime change in china

I say this as a person with family who live in Hong Kong

[autumn sorrel]

Be friend with China was thrown out the window after 79s, not to mention decade of propaganda and tacit government approval of anti China rhetoric.

You can’t possibly imagine how Sinophobic is a normal Vietnamese.

It lead to a very strong mindset of “us vs them” when China is up on the debate but it also mean any Chinese dealing is view with suspicion and more or less a very racist view toward China.

It is not the kind of anti American and anti Japan teaching that China love to do in their education. Vietnam technically don’t institute anti China education but the sheer amount of past war and invasion with China does paint them in negative light.

[random trench]

This is true

Though I would make the argument that China hasn’t done itself any favours in gaining any sort of support for its actions

[cunning salmon]

Is this like a fire suppression system?

[autumn sorrel]

Problem with China is that they don’t see their neighbors as equal. They view the surrounding countries more or less as tribunals or satellite states. It lead to their own action to be very much bellicose in nature when territory dispute happened.

And average Chinese citizens is so uninformed about others country that their disregard of local customs and disrespect of their host make it so easy to just point at them and say “Chinese bad”.

[autumn sorrel]

That’s a severe understatement. If anything, their action just generate more anti China sentiment

[random trench]

This is the same way they saw the Europeans

Then they got essentially r*ped for everything they had in the 1800s

[autumn sorrel]

I can’t say I feel sorry, I never like how the Nguyen let Vietnam fall into French hand and I am not as stupid to just attribute it to European have better weapon.

[random trench]

I do feel sorry for the Chinese. I’m both British and Chinese, so I can at least tell you my family has history in the region. But at the end of the day, the government suffered yes but the people suffered much worse.

[autumn sorrel]

The truth is that there is a prevalent mindset in China and the countries that influence by their culture. A sense of superiority bc of what you have achieved in the past but the inability to change.

They refuse to acknowledge their shortcomings and others gains, attributed failure to bad leaders or enemies cunning instead of the rot that their system have.

[random trench]

This

And their people suffer for it.

I don’t feel sorry for the Chinese state, but I do feel sorry for the regular people living within it

Because at the end of the day, they’re also human beings deserving of love and respect just like we are

[manic latch]

Nuke goes boom

Radioactive particles on deck

Wash it down

[autumn sorrel]

So technically, if ww3 happen, a undersea city is the best place to survive?

[manic latch]

Places that won't eat nuke

Arctic is good

[strong plank]

avoid nukable places

so not the east coast

or the west coast

or the midwest

...wait

[autumn sorrel]

Appalachia?

[manic latch]

Montana would eat lot of nukes since missile silos there

[strong plank]

according to the funny nuke map

if we throw down with russia and they nuke the pentagon I'll make it out with just some broken windows

[strong plank]

but if china does it I'm in the Splash Zone™️

[manic latch]

Hmm Wisconsin could be good place to live

Farm lands, no nuke targets

[strong plank]

huh

this is an interesting perspective

the davy crockett's radiation radius was still larger than the pentagon

[somber knoll]

So... US 2.0?

[autumn sorrel]

Yep, but even with worse human right track record

[somber knoll]

As a third generation Chinese immigrant, I always think that is the case

[wintry moat]

Well

According to that map

I’m fucked

[autumn sorrel]

At least it will be instant

[wintry moat]

Not really

I’m top half of Ga

so I’m gonna be coated in radioactive material

But not in the fireball

[autumn sorrel]

Gee, that's bad

[desert agate]

NBC wash down system

[cunning salmon]

But what's really the chances of shop being hit with a nuke?

I guess if it was at a harbour, it would make sense

[manic latch]

Tu-22's doctrine included nuking carrier strike group by spamming nuclear KH-22 missiles

[autumn sorrel]

There are nuke torp and nuke depth charge that can be drop from plane

[autumn sorrel]

And most of Soviet Carrier killer AShM can carry nuke warhead

[cunning salmon]

Right... I forgot nuclear warheads wasn't only exclusive to the massive ICBM

Clears up some misunderstanding, thanks!

[desert agate]

https://www.contactairlandandsea.com/2023/09/25/7rar-and-1-armd-regt-may-be-disbanded/

ADF is becoming an increasingly top heavy organisation

[autumn sorrel]

More officer and less NCO?

[desert agate]

More senior officers and senior NCOs

Fewer junior personnel

[autumn sorrel]

That sound bad

[desert agate]

Recruitment struggles are taking their toll

Army has it particularly bad though

People in a first world country don't want to deal with shitty conditions, toxic leadership and abusive coworkers

[autumn sorrel]

But why disband? Can they just maintain a skeleton structure that can quickly be fill with mobilization?

[desert agate]

Mobilise what

[autumn sorrel]

Aussie don't do draft?

[desert agate]

The reserves are tiny and the unit needs to maintain its equipment

[desert agate]

Pure volunteer army

Haven't conscripted since the 70s

[autumn sorrel]

You don't have something like Federal service like American where all males have to register?

[desert agate]

Nope

Purely volunteer army

[autumn sorrel]

That sound pretty bad in case of a total war

[desert agate]

Well

Who are we gonna fight

If the Chinese decide to go to war, the army is not going to be Australia's biggest contributor to the conflict

And you can't just mobilise frigates and fighter jets out of thin air

[autumn sorrel]

True, but still, it mean the Army will be canibalize more in favor of other branch

[desert agate]

We don't need to worry about fighting a land battle for national survival, and if we do, it'll take long enough to get to that point to build up strength

It ain't the 40s anymore

The personnel and equipment of the units will go into other units to keep as much as possible

7rar is reportedly going to merge with 5rar, reforming 5/7RAR

While 1 armoured is going to merge with 2nd cavalry

The recruitment issue needs to be solved regardless, navy and air force are both also struggling for manpower, and the new nuclear subs won't crew themselves

They'll have double the crew requirements of the current Collins class and significantly more shore personnel needed to maintain them

Ships are sailing today without full peacetime crews, nuclear subs aren't exactly going to help matters

[wooden saffron]

https://x.com/SahilBloom/status/1706651276346331418

Sahil Bloom (@SahilBloom)

A young statistician saved their lives.

His insight (and how it can change yours):

During World War II, the U.S. wanted to add reinforcement armor to specific areas of its planes.

Analysts examined returning bombers and plotted the bullet holes and damage on them (as in the…

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Twitter · Sep 26, 2023, 12:45 PM

[desert agate]

shame about all the other frankly idiotic decisions made in the CBO

mostly by the Americans but the Brits had their fare share of blunders

the old sub 50% survival rate for B-17 crews coming down mainly to their planes being entirely inadequate

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czghYcT9aEo

[grave ravine]

While all males in the US have to register for selective service, the US army is not set up to quickly mobilize those men in the event of war

especially since Congress actually outlawed calling up the draft anyways

In practice unless we are fighting WW3, the US is fighting with its all volunteer regular force

[spiral cedar]

https://www.cantorsparadise.com/survivorship-bias-and-the-mathematician-who-helped-win-wwii-356b174defa6

His insight was correct but militaries around the world already knew of it

[wooden saffron]

American Bureaucracy ftw

[spiral cedar]

?

The US knew of it too

I'm saying what he said is true but that it wasn't new

[warm finch]

Unironically why the Tomcat existed btw

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1707120820521160920

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1941, the U.S. launched the first 14 of a new class of cargo ship that FDR said would help protect "the liberty of the free people of the world." 2,710 Liberty ships were built between 1941 and 1945. It was the largest number of ships ever produced to a single design.

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Twitter · Sep 27, 2023, 7:51 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLxSiXykI74

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/09/27/navy-to-decommission-littoral-combat-ships-uss-little-rock-uss-detroit-this-week

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/qT0nrpjRuBQ?si=RUOU-tQwUERyCmNJ

https://youtu.be/WCs2_mgyHQY?si=MfoEX5pmhMcfub_D

[manic latch]

@tough quail Never ask why Richel class has a prison

Wouldn't mind to be in Clem's dungeon

[tough quail]

enter the richelieu sexnasium

[autumn sorrel]

Ah, new Giant Spider species fossils are found, and of course it is Australia

Just why Australia?

[grave ravine]

You know what they don't have in Australia?

A lizard that shoots blood out of its eyes

[manic latch]

I shoot blood out of my nose when I read about Soyuz class tho

[spring briar]

All warships have a brig

[eternal veldt]

Really small and unrated ones don't, I think.

Bounty being one of those cases, IIRC - hence the mutiny.

[spring briar]

Fair
But you get my point

@tough quail wake up babe
Armor piercing Chassepot bullets

[eternal veldt]

I mean, yea

Fisticuffs, toss them into the brig and cool it

[cunning salmon]

I mean, misconduct is a thing

[limber kayak]

When you really want the prussian hiding in the village inn for cover dead

[spring briar]

Was mostly meant for piercing cavalry breastplates

[limber kayak]

Was it a problem they verified through testing or was it a perceived problem that people in the field thought they had?

[spring briar]

Napoleonic and beyond era breastplates were well capable of stopping lead bullets at range

[limber kayak]

Yeah but at the ranges and speeds of travel I'm wondering if it's more to do with the perception of the breastplates doing more than they were

[spring briar]

Lead just doesn’t penetrate steel that well

[limber kayak]

Because while the rifles were accurate, French soldiers could miss

Yeah I get that, and I've argued that point to death towards people that say armor was obsolete in the 1400s (it absolutely wasn't), I'm just questioning if they blamed the lack of kills on the bullet when they shouldn't have been

I should have asked this first, was this introduced during or before the Franco-Prussian war, I've been assuming it was during.

I do see cartouche 1871 though. Which by then the French army was badly trained conscripts, half of which had muzzle loaders

[spring briar]

Just prior to franco prussian war

Its probably even civilian in origin

[somber knoll]

Why does LCS tend to have short lifespan?

[autumn sorrel]

Hull problems

Either they crack or just too expensive to maintain

[somber knoll]

so the usual

sad that LCS Murm is decommissioned

[desert agate]

They don't have hull issues

That was on a handful of ships and has been rectified

They're being retired so quickly because they're shit

[somber knoll]

aren't their jobs something like a Frigate or a Corvette can do anyway?

[chilly osprey]

I'd say it's more the roles they were designed for are no longer as relevant, and thus the navy does not see it as worthwhile to keep as many in service as it did previously - particularly the Freedom-class, as those are the ones that have the buggered combining gears by RENK in the first 8-10 ships. The navy does not view it as worth paying for the fixes for all those ships, especially since a good chunk of their old mission (ASW) is being moved to the frigates.

That said the bulk of the ships will still stay in service, particularly with the Independence-class, as the ASuW module and MCM modules both work and are quite useful capabilities.

[manic latch]

Said Frigate and Corvette is more expensive

[desert agate]

they were intended as a Frigate replacement with modular components that would allow them to quickly swap out weapons modules to allow them to fulfil what ever role is necessary at a particular moment in time

[somber knoll]

F-35 philosophy but with ships.

[desert agate]

however most of the modules never ended up coming about due to various budgetary and development issues, and it ended up becoming the case where swapping the modules would take a significant amount of time in dock, rather than the quick couple of day swap in swap out modules they were intended with, so whatever module a ship completed with would be its weapons loadout for pretty much its entire career

which left the USN with a bunch of oversized, expensive and hyper-specialised ships that couldnt do anything particularly well

[desert agate]

F-35 isnt a particularly modular airframe

[somber knoll]

which explains why their old mission is moved to the Frigates anyway

[somber knoll]

I mean in terms of role. I do know that the bird isn't that modular.

[manic latch]

Then it goes for every multirole plane

[desert agate]

Navy has made the sensible decision to build far more multi purpose frigates that can fulfil multiple roles at once rather than just 1 role at a time, and divest themselves of the misstep that was the LCS

quick question, where did this come from?

[somber knoll]

weird thing is, some multirole planes tend to have noticeable issues when designed as such from the beginning.

while as far as I can tell, role-specific birds that are repurposed as multi roles tend to do their jobs well, all the caveats notwithstanding.

[chilly osprey]

It tends to help when designs have a clear focus to build around.

[desert agate]

nvm found it

[manic latch]

Yeah; F-35 needs so many modification to use new gears

[chilly osprey]

And asking an aircraft to 'do everything' inevitably causes compromises

[somber knoll]

LCS was a mistake

[manic latch]

Which makes Blok 4 a necessity for some nations that wants to use specific weapons

[desert agate]

block 4 isnt a necessity to use specific weapons, its a necessity to use all future weapons currently in development, or set to enter service soon

[chilly osprey]

It was in a number of ways. And Rumsfeld was all over it.

Though it does have to be said, the context it was developed in was one where the USN saw its most likely opponent to be Iran, in the Persian Gulf, which required a different approach versus a blue-water opponent like the VMF (then in free fall) and the PLAN (then not even remotely what it is today).

The speed requirement, armament, and ASuW package, for example, are all geared around killing fast attack craft.

[manic latch]

Huh, Non block 4s can use Lrasm?

[chilly osprey]

And then the MCM package and [littoral] ASW package were supposed to give it the means to deal with mines and SSKs operating in littoral enviorments, respectively.

Ofc, reality is that you don't need something that fast to kill boghammers and nor does it really make sense trying to rig a ship for such a wide variety of tasks.

[desert agate]

LRASM is one of many weapons that arent integrated on block 3

[chilly osprey]

And the concept behind how those ships ought to be maintained, plus lean manning, was also a complete mess.

[somber knoll]

one more question, do they have plans for backwards compatibility with existing weapons on older planes?

[manic latch]

Yup

[desert agate]

there is an upgrade planned

however its been delayed alongside block 4 itself

[manic latch]

First 150 F-35 cannot be upgraded. I forgot the reason

[desert agate]

first rollouts in 2027 last i read

[chilly osprey]

Because they're very early models

[desert agate]

older software and hardware

[chilly osprey]

There are different TR groups

[desert agate]

block 2 can only really be used for conversion training

and block 1 is entirely pre-production

[somber knoll]

this kinda sparks me with current PLAN situation.

If they are not able to do blue water engagement and only be able to do either littoral or narrow regions, (if for any number of reasons the nations surrounding them gets hold of every chokehold), how do you lads think current PLAN will fare?

[manic latch]

How does Plan fail to do blue water engagement

You sank all its destroyer and frigates?

And carriers

[chilly osprey]

What, if the PLAN were to try to go for Taiwan this year?

[somber knoll]

more like the surrounding nations do some sort of a barricade, let's just say a very hypothetical one with Japan and South Korea, to limit their movement of sorts.

[desert agate]

the PLAN simply has more silkworms than any task force can reasonably intercept

[somber knoll]

tho with the current size of their navy I don't think the PLAN can just be hold that easily

[desert agate]

silkworms are ancient, but you still have to shoot them down because if you dont, it'll hit you

[chilly osprey]

The PLAN is currently a green-blue navy - they have quite a lot of potential in littoral combat due to their corvette and FAC fleet, though they also have a solid blue-water core to their fleet now.

The major element at play though is that if you are fighting the PLAN around the 1st Island Chain, then you're also dealing with a heavy PLAAF and PLARF presence

And somewhere their own green-water assets can be at play.

[desert agate]

a significant enough barrage can simply drive off any opposing task force giving the PLAN temporary control over any particular stretch of sea, until that task force can return to port, rearm and go back in

and then of course, they send another, and another, and the process repeats until one side runs out of assets

[chilly osprey]

That sort of depends on how many AShMs that PLAN task force is bringing and what anti-shipping options are available to their aversary.

Most PLAN vessels don't even carry Silkworms anymore, in fact

[desert agate]

coastal and air launched missiles would play a significant role id note

[chilly osprey]

YJ-83 is the predominant AShM for their surface fleet

[desert agate]

silkworm was more an example/catch-all for a cheap and widespread missile that the Chinese have access too

point is that no Western task force can stay anywhere near the first island chain for any extended period of time due to the limitations of ammunition

unless half your task force is carrying purely ESSM, you're going to struggle when the Chinese can fling considerable numbers of missiles daily

[chilly osprey]

Oh, of course not. It's very dumb to do so unless you're saturating the PRC's targeting capabilities, but you'd only really be coming in if you need the range for specific strikes in most scenarios.

In which case you'd also be doing your best to deny the enemy the ability to shoot at you yourself.

Ex, AShM batteries need to know roughly where they should be sending their missiles in the first place (especially if it's something relatively dumb like Silkworm), and they also need to be able to fire in the first place, versus having been hit in advance.

[somber knoll]

point is that no Western task force can stay anywhere near the first island chain for any extended period of time due to the limitations of ammunition

Shock strategy is out of the question then

[desert agate]

the Chinese have a (relatively obsolete) OTHR network

they received some upgrades in recent years after the Chinese were allowed to have a look at Jindalee back in the 00s

[somber knoll]

[desert agate]

not a particularly close look mind you, but certainly enough to give them some pointers in the right direction

[chilly osprey]

But, with regards to the wider 2023 context as a whole - the main issue the PRC faces in the inability to effectively context American operations outside the 1IC. They certainly have the means to strike at fixed targets outside of that range - they have their ballistic missiles, and they have their H-6 fleet - but adequate targeting of moving targets without having the ability to actually push their own carrier groups into the Philippine Sea, for example, is very questionable, and this gives plenty of gaps with which the US can use to strike targets within the first island chain.

The PLAN's blue-water assets are still quite limited, as they only have 41 DDGs actually capable of area air warfare at the moment, and most of these are 64-cell ships (all but 8). Combined with the fact that they're still flying J-15's off their carriers and the fact they have a relatively pitiful SSN fleet, operations beyond the first island chain is incredibly risky for the PLAN.

Likewise the fact that this fight is happening relatively near China comes with advantages and disadvantages for China. On the one hand, this means there is quite a lot of land-based air power that can come into play for it. On the other hand, it also has a very long and very vulnerable coastline on which so many of its most important economic areas are concentrated, as are all of its naval bases. In any scenario where it does not have firm control over the first island chain, mainland China itself and most of China's vital naval infrastructure is quite vulnerable to strikes from aircraft and long-range land attack cruise missiles.

It is quite likely that over any extended conflict with the US and its regional allies that China would eventually lose the ability to contest control of the 1st Island Chain, particularly as so much of it is already under coalition control from the very start of any conflict.

[somber knoll]

I don't think China will want to do extended conflict.

[somber knoll]

which brings me to this question.

will they go with a blitzkrieg style if they do?

[manic latch]

Isn't Taiwan like

3/4 mountain with no useful area

While 1/4 flat area where most important things are

[somber knoll]

afaik they built some emergency bunkers

[desert agate]

blitzkrieg is a meaningless buzzword

[chilly osprey]

As Hit said, 'blitzkreig' doesn't really have any meaning.

But, for any Taiwan scenario - it's going to be pretty telegraphed. The amount of manpower and material you need to bring to bear means that it's going to pretty obvious what's going to happen a year out or more - much like what happened with [REDACTED] in 2021.

The way the Chinese talk about invasion scenarios, you'd be looking at an air-sea campaign of a month or more against Taiwan, the US, and Japan, before any landings happen - sort of like Desert Storm. If landings were even viable will depend on how that campaign goes.

They also tend to assume that Japan will de facto be involved and will launch strikes against Japanese targets (especially American targets in Japan) from the start.

[somber knoll]

I figure the Chinese concern landings later, when the waters are clear? if that is so then the month being locked in air-sea campaign, they will want to clear as fast as possible.

Not sure how their want to go with airborne units, if they want to risk it.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/ronkainen7k15/status/1707373850567262280

Ronkainen (@ronkainen7k15)

M10 Booker Combat Vehicle

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Twitter · Sep 28, 2023, 12:37 PM

[spiral cedar]

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1429971

[grave ravine]

So Phoenix danced around this, but I want to point out that the Independence class LCS's are staying in service for their anticipated lifespan

It's the Freedoms that are all being retired rapidly, because fixing the transmissions would be quite expensive, and the navy realized they needed fewer LCS's than originally anticipated

For all that the program was run like shit, the Independence class vessels are still useful ships for doing patrol work and MCM

[somber knoll]

[subtle prawn]

https://youtube.com/shorts/OZlh0Ojl3zs

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1707491924301492447

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD 1948, the Vought Cutlass flew for the first time. Based on German WWII tech, the F7U became the Navy's first swept wing fighter. Nicknamed the "Gutless" by pilots, the F7U had a short service history because its weak thrust and difficult handling led to a high accident rate.

Twitter · Sep 28, 2023, 8:26 PM

[warm finch]

Y´know how many early models of things can´t get upgraded to modern standards? Especially in aviation? Also where exactly is this statement from? I just searched it up and nothing´s coming up...

[shrewd pecan]

block 1 F-35s are essentially just training airframes

[warm finch]

Yeah but doesn´t that just make the statement redundant, since it´s the purpose? And even then 150 out of 965 seems slightly strange. Especially with the US

Or well, not necessarily purpose I guess but you see what I mean right?

[manic latch]

???

Why are you like this man

[warm finch]

...do you have a source or not?

[summer pendant]

The XM8 was a weird looking rifle

Imagine that being the standard issue rifle of the U.S. military

[shrewd pecan]

The XM25 and XM8 were the true weapons of the future

[summer pendant]

For sure. I don’t know much about them.

All I know is what they look like.

[rapid junco]

So, i made the mistake of watching The Front's dedicated shorts channel
He did two shorts with the same bs comparison of Musashi and PoW
One with Musashi X PoW
And the other with Bismarck X PoW
Damn, does he have a personal beef with PoW?

Good thing though
Its that i saw a considerable amount of comments criticizing him for that
Asking it to do a better research

The bs comparison he first made

[strong plank]

The XM8 is fun

I love how many games were made during that period and featured the XM8 as “the rifle of the future army”

[shrewd pecan]

considering the uhhh current pace of warfare

XM8 and the XM25 are likely gonna be better suited to trench warfare than the XM7

[shrewd pecan]

https://youtu.be/VHmNRJPp8Wk

[autumn sorrel]

Man, US really have something going with XM-8

I wonder, what will XM-8 look like if it is modify to use Picatiny rail

[spiral cedar]

Why Musashi and PoW specifically anyway

[subtle prawn]

Just ask the Malaysians what an XM8 with a rail system looks like

[rapid junco]

I dunno
You remember when i first shared the community post of him making Musashi X PoW
He just made that into a shorts

And made the exact same thing
But using Bismarck X PoW (probably because one the backlash was that he was comparing two entirely different ships) [and he posted that one just after the Musashi X PoW]
Still
The comparison it is still bs

Because it goes
Like Qwerty said here
"Like real life ships had a health bar"

The Bismarck X PoW also had a crowd on the "Scuttled or sunk"

Btw
Good thing that the english language have a word like "Scuttle"

In portuguese i need to say a whole sentence

"Sunk intentionally by the crew"

[autumn sorrel]

Now slap SIG Spear optic on it

[desert agate]

https://web.archive.org/web/20200702032933/https://www.f35.com/about/life-cycle/software

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/f-35-block-4-costs-gao/#:~:text=It includes the new AN,steadily increased in recent years.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/12/06/raafs-f-35-is-flawed-not-meeting-australias-defense-needs/

They describe the F-35 in Australia as a complete disaster. One example is that the first two fighter jets purchased in 2013 for $280 million are so old that they cannot be upgraded, according to Lockheed Martin’s current configuration

The final article is very sensationalist but its point on the older block 2 airframes the RAAF bought stands

[cinder escarp]

Concurrency!

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M78IFUMx4dw

[somber knoll]

t h i c c

[cunning salmon]

I'm wonder about why Long Island (the CV) keeps mentioning herself as a ghost

Like is it just random or is there something to do with real life?

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPpgy7mU_aw

[warm finch]

Thank you.

But point was that the number "150" seemed a bit odd. I really just wanna know where the number itself comes from.

[clear scroll]

I wonder who can guess what ship was the original grey ghost

[spring briar]

Queen Mary

[clear scroll]

Correct

You get a cookie

[clear scroll]

Also did you know she cut a war ship in half at full speed?

[spring briar]

Yes

HMS Curacao

[clear scroll]

Yea

Ship cut in front of Mary and Mary went straight through

Reminds me of that scene from halo 4 with infinity

[proper roost]

Gonna drop this here for you history folk, guess that bridge..

[remote monolith]

one of the few representations of the Yamato in modern western fiction tv show
come on man Man in the High Castle is too easy

[proper roost]

I guess true, but i did this in another server and people got pissed that it was either wows or 'disrespectful'

[remote monolith]

disrespectful? Huh?

[manic latch]

Try me

[proper roost]

Yeah against 'america'

[proper roost]

Krem, the krem spy, you re alive!

[manic latch]

I'm %90 here

General is...too crowded for my liking soemtimes

[proper roost]

[autumn sorrel]

So, does Yammy get a nuclear power plant?

[humble mulch]

Man in the high castle was a decent read, the show I haven't watched but that Yamato shot is pretty cool. But I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of real scuffed ships in that scene as it pans out

[autumn sorrel]

Most of the ship in that scene are fine but they are more or less in their ww2 configuration, there isn’t any outward sign of post war upgrade like irl Allied Navy or Soviet did

[humble mulch]

Yeah probably was easier for everyone to just use the normal ww2 designs

[autumn sorrel]

Granted IJN was the absolute master of the Pacific and Atom bomb kinda throw conventional weapon out but still

What I would change is add SG radar on them. Like you beat USN and captured the western coast line, are you telling me that Imperial Japan don’t have their own Operations “Paper Clips” and try to nap some US scientists and tech?

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZUmgavuC68

[spring briar]

[autumn sorrel]

Tbf, Dien Bien Phu position is literally unattainable, like what kind of idiot would place your entire positions in the low ground inside a valley and not expected to be shell to high heaven

I almost pity the French

[cunning salmon]

Reminds of me of a warship that got wrecked by a civilian ship

[autumn sorrel]

Venezuelan?

[cunning salmon]

Yeah that

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-YwAtzQrE

[manic latch]

Weird that thumbnail is misleading compared to what he says in video

I wouldn't call some being "too expensive" or "obsolete" as disaster

[remote monolith]

interwar tanks really looke like Daleks huh

super tall profile, kinda roundish shape, lots of protrustions on the turret, and the front is super pronounced

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsiRPmqH4kI

[autumn sorrel]

Turn out when you have more pilot than they have reserve to throw at the enemy, you win the attrition war

[remote monolith]

having the luxury of using an entire continent to train huge swathes of capable pilots rather than having to train while getting ambushed by a dozen enemy planes om your first training really helps eh

[strong plank]

The show had some issues

Once the big mystery got solved it kinda lost its hype

And the last season had to speedrun stuff

The intrigue is the whole “it’s an alternate timeline but people keep finding film reels that show how things really went” plotline

Once it’s explained it just coasts down

[junior trench]

Wasn't it implied the alt timeline world is about to get turbo fucked by the US and USSR from OTL or something

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMa-9dlEq2c

[maiden citrus]

I've wondered about watching it, but the premise is hard to believe

[frozen kestrel]

What color was Prinz Eugen primarily painted prior to Operation Crossroads?

[strong plank]

Nah

Basically the writers thought they were getting a s5, and found out halfway through writing s4 that they weren’t

So they have to introduce a new faction and wrap everything up super quickly

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, in order for that alt timeline to happen then the Axis kinda have to win on every front and implied that somehow US not only join the war late but somehow fumble up so much that German can finish their wunderwaffle

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUMSLR5fgeI

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1707877806896476475

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1989, USS Pennsylvania (SSBN-735) ran aground near Port Canaveral. The stuck sub quickly became "the country's cheapest tourist attraction" as crowds gathered to watch five tugs struggle for two hours to pull the Pennsylvania free. No damage or injuries were reported.

Twitter · Sep 29, 2023, 9:59 PM

[shrewd pecan]

I'm surprised a show so boring

got 4 seasons

[strong plank]

waits until s4

why yes the Black Communist Rebels have totally existed the entire time we just forgot to show them

they will now overthrow the Japanese

My favorite character was the trade minister and they killed him offscreen in between seasons

[autumn sorrel]

Considering how ruthless the Japanese were and how genocide was pretty casual for Axis, I actually surprised that they exist

[remote monolith]

not only that but their wunderwaffe have to somehow work as intended rather than being complete and utter wastes of time

[eternal veldt]

I dont recall if that is the case for that show in particular, but an often fumbled around alt history scenario is that the New Deal failed completely and that the US doesnt recover from the Great Depression

And therefore the US doesn't have the industrial strength as presented in World War II

[junior trench]

https://vdocuments.site/work-on-sabot-projectiles-for-the-us-army-by-the-university-of-new-mexico-1942-1944.html?page=1

Behold

A document describing the work to make APDS ammo for US artillery in WW2... using 57mm APHE shells as the core

and it worked

But it was 1944 so the resulting order of 1000 rounds of 75/57mm for 75mm gun M3 was cancelled

[remote monolith]

assuming this is the case still wouldn't they still stall outside Moscow and be incapable of invading Britain for at least another 5 years?

[desert agate]

this isnt #memes

mate

you can either stay on topic or ill ping mods

[autumn sorrel]

Only meme allowed is Krem Soyuz or Mcunter

[desert agate]

this is #history not #daycare

[desert agate]

ah you sweet summer child

you did not live to witness the glory of tojokistan

[autumn sorrel]

Sound fun

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anyway heres a document surrounding the RAAFs selection process for the F-111

[eternal veldt]

Sure, but there's a reason why its fiction

just snowball from that premise and reject everything that made Germany halt its advance = win

E.g. Barbarossa being a complete success/Soviet unironically used hooman waves/shit tanks rolled immediately from factory, you get the idea

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, even in the case US lost at Midway, the sheer amount of material they can produce mean victory is ensure

[eternal veldt]

It will set back the war effort

it may also impact the Guadalcanal theatre, and with misers like Ghormley in charge, there is much that could change

[autumn sorrel]

Still, if port Morseby hold, there still a good chance for USN to make a come back

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almost as if Midway wasnt a strategically decisive battle

[autumn sorrel]

It certainly is for IJN

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also Moresby probably would have struggled to resist a naval landing

in fact id argue if the Japanese had made landfall at Coral Sea, ignoring that the Japanese couldnt really supply their force in the long term, the town itself would have fallen

[eternal veldt]

Coral Sea personally is a close call

[desert agate]

there really wasnt a lot in Moresby to defend it

[eternal veldt]

perhaps also a bunch of fuckups from both sides when viewed in hindsight

[autumn sorrel]

Only thing you could taking out from ww2 is Axis make more fuck up and their fuck up often are irrepairable

[desert agate]

the grand total of AIF forces in Moresby was a few dozen senior officers, none of whom wanted to be there, many of whom were simply put there because senior leadership considered them so worthless they didnt want to risk sending them to North Africa where they could do serious damage

and the AMF forces in Moresby were among the worst units in the entire army

[eternal veldt]

Well, France is a fuck up that was irreparable for the Allies - or at least heavily consequential

[desert agate]

basically untrained, poorly led and with incredibly low morale

one of the AMF batallions in Moresby was so utterly unprepared for any sort of combat, that many of the troops had literally been taken from recruitment offices in Melbourne and dragged straight onto the ship waiting to take them to Moresby, without even giving them time to say goodbye to friends and family

and the other batallion, while far better led, was still in very poor shape because the troops had almost no time to train

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, USSR also have many fuck up as well, had they fuck it up so much to affect even their manpower pool, seperate peace with Hitler is actually a possibility

AMF and AIF is acronym for?

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AMF = Australian Militia Force
AIF = Australian Imperial Force

[remote monolith]

you have to change the basic fundamentals of Hitler's policies to even have peace in the east

[autumn sorrel]

Damn, wasn't IJA force prepared for Moresby are veteran units and Imperial Guards?

[remote monolith]

its been repeatedly made clear neither him or the German high command were interested in any sort of peace treaty with the USSR

[desert agate]

AIF was the actual army, properly trained troops with first rate equipment and was intended to be sent overseas
the militia meanwhile was a reserve force at best, mainly made up of men who either werent considered fit to join the AIF or were too cowardly to go to Africa while still wanting to look like they actually were doing something

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah, it implied somehow German abandon Lebensraum

[remote monolith]

even Stauffenbergs plan was peace with the West and then turn right back against the USSR

[remote monolith]

Basically make the Nazis not Nazis anymore

and by that point it's an entirely different event that couldn't be called WWII as we knows it anymore as the order of events has been radically changed there's no telling what else is different

[desert agate]

when the Army did a survey of all its units currently in the field in late 1941, the 39th battalion was rated as among the worst units in the army
the 53rd battalion was rated as the worst

[autumn sorrel]

That's explained their poor performance

[desert agate]

the 39th battalion would eventually distinguish itself on the Kokoda Track campaign but the fact is that it still fought a fighting retreat, the 53rd battalion would almost lead to half of the 7th division being wiped out when it abandoned its post at Isurava

neither unit was in any shape to defend Moresby from a naval landing

[remote monolith]

ph btw hit, I have a good present for ya, it's very interesting to say the least

https://www.indy100.com/science-tech/scientists-dinosaur-spider-fossil-australia-2665753172

[desert agate]

blessed

big spider

[remote monolith]

surprisingly this is from the Mioecene

which is fairly recent

and for Maka

https://phys.org/news/2023-09-garumbatitan-giant-dinosaur-cretaceous-iberian.html

[autumn sorrel]

Thanks Aussie, now my Arachnophobia now have giant Spider to content with

[deep apex]

Del Monte advertisement in the sponsors section of my grandmother's yearbook from 1951.

Coffee in a can

Can with a spam key

Technology

Much advance

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1707853217936167403

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1942, cargo ship USS Alhena (AK-26) was hit by a torpedo from the Japanese submarine I-4. The crew quickly got the fires under control and then used sheets of plywood to construct temporary bulkheads. The Alhena was repaired and back in service 8 months later.

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Cool

[cunning salmon]

That literally punctured the entire thing

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Yea

[spiral cedar]

https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/w/war-damage-reports/uss-capella-ak13-uss-alhena-aka9-wardamagereport-no27.html#alhena

The damage report, for anyone curious

[shrewd pecan]

the book put me half to sleep whenever I attempted reading it I don’t want to imagine what watching 4 seasons of that shit would go

[remote monolith]

oh no

Spinosaurus is evolving again

[autumn sorrel]

Are they using stone tool now?

[dusty kraken]

Spinosaurus is now theorised to be able to fly, the big spine on the back acts as a vertical stabiliser

[remote monolith]

tldr

they fly now

[manic latch]

@tough quail V-611 Shtorm

[solid mango]

[frozen kestrel]

oh, of fucking course this is in australia

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Does anyone have that Japanese diagram of the causes of a warship's total loss (rendered irreparable)

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/PahPJS3fjSI?si=zc9ictxkV-h9areQ

https://youtu.be/5pSiCjfhUUw?si=dEXBlDpmUWv6DPFV

[thorny patio]

so i know normally a ships "dimensions are labeled seperately as
-Length
-Beam
-Draft

so im assuming this article is referring to these 3 measurements when it says "Dimensions" though its not immediately clear what number is which XD

unless this article is for some crazy reason ACTUALLY using a basic (LxWxH)

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/Pj9ECSJK83Y?si=PFBf_E9twm-8w6WK

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In his memoirs, published in 1964, MacArthur said that as late as 9:30, “I was still under the impression that the Japanese had suffered a setback at Pearl Harbor” and that it was even later when “I learned, to my astonishment, that the Japanese had succeeded in their Hawaiian attack.” This claim was not credible, and the memoirs treat the events of Dec. 8 in less than three pages.

[maiden citrus]

he was so close

[ornate gyro]

https://youtu.be/2T7gaiQXFWw?si=PsZ0DdJtOrN8h7Dk

[zealous vine]

iirc the French did use a cylindrical-type loading mechanism for their tanks right?

[shrewd pecan]

oh there was also this proposed one for the abrams

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Ik