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[blazing crow]

four triple 203 mm mounts, three 100 mm twin secondary guns, 3 triple 25 mm AA, 4 61 cm quad torps

there was supposed to have been four of them (Unzen, Zaou (the name WOWS used), Rokko, and Kaimon) with an eye to start building from 1941. Then Pearl happened.

[ornate wind]

I assume it’s standard displacement 14500T, so full load is like over 20k

[thorn trail]

From what I can gather, this wasn't actually a serious discussion at all

These "design" specs was just pure fantasy made by said magazine/book speculating about the 1941 Heavy cruiser

[eternal veldt]

Specifications did call for the use of triple turrets.

Displacement, the amount of turrets, auxiliary armament, torpedo tubes, and general hull design remains unknown.

[ornate wind]

AFAIK, Maru 5 plans never specified any heavy cruisers of any new design

[blazing crow]

This was Maru 6 iirc

[ornate wind]

Man that’s an entire new level of copium

[eternal veldt]

Yes, Maru six.

Hence, Type A.

They would form the new Sentai6 and Sentai 7.

[ornate wind]

How credible are these sources?

[blazing crow]

idk I got this from someone living in Saitama who had this book on IJN warships, both real and planned

[ornate wind]

I know most IJN designs were destroyed post-war, where is this coming from exactly

[blazing crow]

and the same scan was in a couple of forums, one of which was WOWS

[eternal veldt]

These are from the maru magazines, which usually give detailed information.

Notice right next to the name, it explicitly says 本書設定， in other words, [this book's conjecture]

[ornate wind]

When were these designs made? Is there a close equivalent of this ship in other navies?

[blazing crow]

the Des Moines of the US Navy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des_Moines-class_cruiser

[ornate wind]

I would have thought the Des Moines represented significantly more advanced designs/technologies

[eternal veldt]

I'd argue that the US CA-B is closer to what Unzen would be.

12 x 203mm guns, torpedo armament, and a 193mm belt.

[ornate wind]

Baltimore class alternate design?

[eternal veldt]

improved Baltimore.

[maiden citrus]

yeah zao is closest to anchorage in actual capability

[blazing crow]

note also Japan was trying to outmatch the ships of other navies in terms of individual numbers instead of quantity since they can't produce as many as the US, that was the reasoning why the Yamatos came into being

[eternal veldt]

Like I said before, CA-B is an absolute chud

[blazing crow]

Unzen.

[eternal veldt]

heavily armoured, heavy firepower, and for whatever reason, torpedo tubes

[blazing crow]

The WOWS name, though valid, sounds too un-Japanese

[eternal veldt]

You mean Zao?

[blazing crow]

ye

[eternal veldt]

She is named after Mount Zao, it falls into convention.

[ornate wind]

How is that unjapanese

[eternal veldt]

Her previous name is a bit weirder, Senjo - Mount Senjo.

[ornate wind]

It’s literally a Japanese mountain

[blazing crow]

Unzen sounds more... natural

[eternal veldt]

This is not a battlecruiser - names do not need any consideration

e.g. Ashitaka not being powerful enough/tall enough of a mountain

[ornate wind]

IJN naming conventions did give CAs names of mountains didn’t they?

[blazing crow]

yes

[eternal veldt]

of cruisers over 7,000 tons, yes.

"Heavy cruiser" is not a term until the London Naval Treaty of 1930, at which point the Furutakas were already launched.

[ornate wind]

Was there a realistic probability of building these CAs?

[eternal veldt]

Given the Japanese defeat at Midway? Doubtful.

[ornate wind]

Pre pearl

[eternal veldt]

It should be kept in mind that many large projects, including Shinano herself, was halted on the outbreak of the Pacific War.

The primary reason being that these ships would not go into service within 6 months, and would not be contributing to the war effort in Japanese perspective, who sought a short, destructive war to secure its earnings in the Pacific and China.

After the destruction of the Kido Butai at Midway at the 6th month mark, everything changed with the Circle Five and Six plans scrapped entirely and effort focusing on the Wartime Emergency programs.

Major effort was devoted to completing carriers and modifying existing ones to carry aircraft - so much so that even the Ibukis, nearly a repeat of the preceding Suzuya-class cruisers, were converted into carriers.

Hull 301 was attempted to be constructed with machinery taken from Kagerou class destroyers to speed up the process - that's how desperate things get.

Therefore, with both Midway and Pearl as a premise, I am doubtful that these would be built.

[ornate wind]

Before Midway, would it have been more or less probable than the Lion class finally being built?

[subtle prawn]

Lion and Temeraire were both actually laid down before being cancelled

[eternal veldt]

Again, the main issue is that Japan expected a victory would be at hand shortly - without considering the strategic implications of Pearl Harbor.

If the US really did offer peace as Japan wanted it, then maybe, yes. But that's very far off into alternate history, and Pearl Harbor cemented the belief of an unconditional defeat of Japan - so much so that some of the populace were chanting "Hang the Emperor".

[ornate wind]

What exactly did Japanese ship building industry focus on after pearl?

[eternal veldt]

In those conditions, repeated defeats and attrition of Japanese naval assets, and the slow choking of the Japanese economy imposed by the Allied submarine and aviation forces, I fail to see a good opportunity to see when these ships can make it to the water.

Anything that could make it into service in 6 months.

That's why Yamato wasn't halted - She's complete, so nothing is stopping her from going on trials.

to put it into perspective, the estimated launching date of Shinano was 1943, completion in 1945

That was considered too long, so Shinano's construction was halted shortly after Pearl.

[cinder escarp]

Amusingly, because it was felt they wouldn't be finished by the time the imminent war would be over, with an estimated completion date of 1941.

Peak British procurement there lads

[subtle prawn]

I thought peak British procurement was canceling CVA-01 because the RAF managed to convince them they could do the job with land-based aircraft instead

[cinder escarp]

That's more justifiable given the extremely tight budget situation at the time, note the RAF ended up getting their alternative program cancelled to save dosh as well.

[zealous vine]

Could submarines participate in an active battle in ww2?

(the conditions being: in proximity to an ongoing surface fight, and affecting some decision of the enemy)

[chilly osprey]

In the sense that, of the enemy knew about them, they would be more cautious in certain decision making? Yes

But submarines are hideously slow and hideously vulnerable to enemy ships and aircraft on the surface, so they have essentially no tactical role in a surface action in WWII.

Submarines in WWI and WWII were attritional weapons, with which you would wear the enemy forces over time and ideally only rarely encounter hostile warships that are actually ready for action or know you're there.

They don't really become capable of hunting for warships until, really, the introduction of nuclear-powered submarines during the Cold War, and then also much later generations of diesel-electric submarines.

[alpine onyx]

Only WW2 case of a submarine making an attack during an active gunnery engagement that I know of was when a French submarine attacked the British superdreadnoughts that were taking pot shots at Richelieu

[zealous vine]

[zealous vine]

I am surprised there haven't been gatling cannons

(76mm>)

[spring briar]

Beveziers

my beloved

[manic latch]

A Chinese university did such design for 76mm gatling

[spring briar]

[zealous vine]

What rof

[spring briar]

Kremmy I'm scared

[somber knoll]

Caliber: 440 mm

Portable

Why do I feel like Gainax just have the idea of "hey, let's grab six Yamato gun barrels, reline them to 440, then chain them to make them a Gatling "

[manic latch]

A weapon I shall mount on Soyuz

[manic latch]

600 rounds per min

Much superior to best 76mm OTO has

[somber knoll]

my main issue for that is whether they manage to design a reliable feeding mechanism for such rate of fire.

especially since we're talking about a rather big caliber Gatling here.

[chilly osprey]

Let me answer that for you

'study'

Nothing ever said it was successful

Or viable in the first place

[tough quail]

dope tho

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCXV_J8LxyE

[thorn trail]

QE class?

[eternal veldt]

Warspite.

[thorn trail]

how do you like distinguish between different ships of the same class

US ships have their numbers on the side so it's kind of easier but idk for other classes

[tough quail]

warspite looks a lot different post rebuild tbf

qe doesn't have the casemates anymore, has a totally different secondary batter, somewhat smaller superstructure in a different style

[eternal veldt]

The most simple tell is the casemate

As horse said

Warspite is also one of the two to not have a tripod main mast

[grave ravine]

IIRC most CA-B designs ditched the torpedo tubes, because you know the US didn't do torps on their large cruisers

[eternal veldt]

On the final sketch, yes

Friedman's still indicate 8 21" TTs

Spring Books #2 is unfortunately destroyed

So :/

Unless @delicate beacon found anything from the Dutch archives?

I remember you screen capturing something related to that.

[grave ravine]

CA-B is actually in book #3

[eternal veldt]

It is, the finalized sketch version is.

[grave ravine]

From NHC

[eternal veldt]

Allegedly, there are earlier sketches.

So the question of where the torpedo tubes went, and how they are originally supposed to be positioned in this interval time remains

[grave ravine]

I think it can reasonably be assumed that any large cruiser the US would have actually built would be without torps

[eternal veldt]

CA-B overall is weird

The tried and true catapult/sliding door hangar was not used and returned to the more hazardous amidship configuration

[grave ravine]

yeah

[thorn trail]

speaking of catapults: why do like most other nations BBs seem to have their catapult amidships while the US is stern?

[eternal veldt]

So I wont put TTs out of the question entirely early onwards

Amidships typically meant a hangar that you can store the plane, its fuel and its armaments

And the plane itself wont be subject to heavy weather

The US either used the sliding door hangar method on cruisers (which the British criticised as a flooding hazard and weakened the ship's structure)

Or straight up not give a shit and store them on dollies directly on the weather deck on battleships

If the plane is ruined, so be it

[grave ravine]

The planes are also more likely to get shot if they are amidships, and if shot more likely to cause problems if they are amidships than if they are at the stern

and if you are not keeping them in protective hangars

aircraft were a real fire risk

[eternal veldt]

Savo was a good showcase of the issue

Planes get lit from shellfire

Entire ship silhouette shown to enemy

Don't even need searchlights

Whereas on the stern its a matter of pushing it overboard, either manually or via gunfire blast (South Dakota)

[thorn trail]

also some ships had the catapults on the turret right?

[chilly osprey]

thousand yard stares in Littorio

[eternal veldt]

Removed on most US ships in their refits as planes got bigger

[eternal veldt]

Zara:

[chilly osprey]

Hey, at least they had hangars for those

[grave ravine]

also @chilly osprey can you elaborate a bit on the Unzen/Zaos

[eternal veldt]

Hehe

[grave ravine]

you had been discussing them on Drach's server

[thorn trail]

what's the largest ww2 surface action vessel that just didn't have spotter planes?

[chilly osprey]

Honestly I think Silver Tears can explain that far better than I

[eternal veldt]

Even I don't know much about them

Most stuff is thanks to Shikikaze on WoWS.

[chilly osprey]

The question he was referencing was asking how the magazine concept differed from more typical Jpaanese carueir design practice

[eternal veldt]

Oh, that?

[chilly osprey]

My kneejerk reaction would be the Italian rebuilds of the Cavour and Duilio-class battleships. The Cavour's when rebuilt initially had catapults amidships that were removed before the war, and the Duilio-class were rebuilt without any.

I'm not sure if there were any larger battleships that lacked catapultable aircraft during the war.

[eternal veldt]

See here for the list of issues I copied from said person a while ago.

Counterpoint Phoenix, any of the KGVs after 1943

Where the RN decides that spotting duty can be delegated to carriers, and more space was required for AA

[chilly osprey]

Oooh, forgot about them

[eternal veldt]

So toss the catapult, drop the boat deck on it, add more bofors

[chilly osprey]

Good one

[grave ravine]

Also I think at least some, if not all of the QEs didn't have planes in WW2

[eternal veldt]

Most BBs had them removed in that period

Renown herself was stripped of it as well

Though if we are being less finnicky about the WW2 part, the biggest goes to the Iowas

[thorn trail]

also regarding those 2 classes

[eternal veldt]

All of their catapults are stripped post war

[thorn trail]

how the fuck where they able to make them significantly faster

What was the major drawback when they refitted them to be much faster

[eternal veldt]

The Cavour/Dulios are less refits and more reconstructions

Machinery was completely overhauled to my memory

[grave ravine]

They got fitted with significantly more powerful boilers and engines

something like doubled the installed SHP

[eternal veldt]

Interesting tidbit about Cavours is that the new bow was constructed around the old bow

So the old bow gets basically...encased

This wasnt done on Duilio.

There was also, for some time, a diesel proposal for Cavour

[thorn trail]

why wasn't it done for Duilio?

[chilly osprey]

Because it the solution used for the Cavour-class made their bows excessively heavy, and the joints between the new and old bows developed leaks in spaces that were very difficult to access and pump out.

So outright removing the old bow and building a new forward section ended up being the preferred solution.

[grave ravine]

https://nautiluslive.org/

Ballard is surveying Yorktown RN

[chilly osprey]

As for this - the original machinery power was about 32,000 shp on four shafts.

Using the new lightweight machinery systems developed for cruisers in the interwar era, they were able to replace them with a two-shaft system that was actually about 500 tons lighter than the original propulsion system (1,201 tonnes vs 1,732 tonnes) that could generate 75,000 shp at full normal power. This, combined with the gsuperior hullform created by the new bow, allowed for the top speed to increase from 2.15 knots to in excess of 27 knots.

[thorn trail]

ok but were there any major problems with the reconstructions?

[subtle prawn]

So regarding that, a CL-154 sketch in Friedman's book has torpedo launchers, no?

[thorn trail]

like you said the Cavour bows were pretty heavy and so wasn't done to the Duilio's

were there any other major headaches with the reconstructions?

[chilly osprey]

Aside from the issues caused from simply building a new bow over the old one, there were quite a few teething issues with the 'new' guns (320/44) and they spent a lot of time before the war working out the kinks on them.

[subtle prawn]

And it's also in one of the spring style sketches

[thorn trail]

Ah

[grave ravine]

CL-154s another small cruiser

[chilly osprey]

I can go into detail the next time I'm at my PC, but the long and short of it was that there was a bunch of complications with the mechanisms with the rebuilt turrets (in particular those from OTO) and they 1937-1939 was spent working out most of those issues.

[naive rampart]

This is the most footage we’ve gotten of Yorktown ever! I’m glad someone posted this livestream

[grave ravine]

I dont say light cruiser vs heavy cruiser cuz the USN lumped Brooklyns and Clevelands in with the heavy cruisers, but CL-154 is in the same vein as stuff like Atlanta

[naive rampart]

I’m hoping they dive Akagi while they are there

[grave ravine]

O'Bannon and Nicholas sailing alongside Enterprise CVN-65

[eternal veldt]

Dakka?

[cerulean lagoon]

Dakka.

[autumn sorrel]

DAKKA

[wintry moat]

Is this from the same event?

[solid mango]

Dakka

[eternal veldt]

Yours is a searchlight.

Mine is...active discouragement against Göring's lackeys.

Which may come with a significant emotional event.

[limber dune]

cool photo

shooting at aircraft at night?

[alpine onyx]

Did you just say Diesel?

[eternal veldt]

At Salerno, Sep 1943

[grave ravine]

Dakka

[eternal veldt]

I almost feel bad for the bomber crew that flew into that.

Mmm, minced meat

[grave ravine]

and its worse, because unlike Salerno its probably like 1 bomber crew

[eternal veldt]

Cavour's diesel proposal is, unfortunately, hideous

[grave ravine]

(Its Normandy)

and they very much achieved nothing

[eternal veldt]

It lacks the finness of two funnels.

[eternal veldt]

Plot twist, they are shooting at Venus

[grave ravine]

Well these guys are

[desert agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Il7pvdTnA&ab_channel=RareEarth

[alpine onyx]

You call her hideous. I say you need to look at her inner beauty

We need Diesel Cavour

Even if it's strategtically nonsense to go for something uber long ranged in the confined Mediterranean Sea

[eternal veldt]

it makes sense for a "breakout fleet" though.

[alpine onyx]

If you plan on breaking through Gibraltar into the Atlantic, yes, but unless you are allied to the RN I would dare to claim that this is more of a dream than anything with any ship bigger than a submarine

[near raptor]

The original document showing Unzen. She is also mentioned on page 602-609 of "japanese cruisers of the pacific war" by Erik Lacroix and hinton Wells.
8 such cruisers were apparently planned. The scan is a old Japanese magazine speculating on “What-if” designs.

This is what Google Translate can get out of the document.

[strong plank]

this ain’t your ordinary everyday paper

this is advanced paper

[near raptor]

I don’t know what the name of the magazine is; but I put up a Reddit post in a community that might be able to help. If I find out more about Unzen I’ll let everyone know

[desert agate]

Silver already did a rundown of unzen here

[grave ravine]

#history message

[near raptor]

Very cool; pretty much sums up what I found on shipbucket

I’d like someone to @ me if someone finds out where that image comes from

[desert agate]

@near raptor

[near raptor]

Awesome, thank you

[eternal veldt]

Specifically, 未完成艦隊―1917~1950 (ミリタリーイラストレイテッド)

which unfortunately I do not have a copy of

[near raptor]

Thanks a ton for sharing!

[blazing crow]

Four were named here: Unzen (the name used in AL), Rokko, Zaou (WOWS name), and Kaimon

Three went unnamed. I headcanoned in some of my college stories that Kaimon would have been "Sakurajima" since there was an Unryuu-class with the same name, and then assigned new ones for the other four

Ashitaka, Hakone, Hiuchi, Iwate

[desert agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU1jb_lSh_E&ab_channel=AustralianMilitaryAviationHistory

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1700942218616267101

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1939, HMS Oxley became the first Royal Navy submarine lost during WWII. It was reported that the sub sank due to an accidental explosion. It was not until the 1950s that the truth was revealed. HMS Oxley had been misidentified as a German U-boat and sunk by HMS Triton.

Twitter · Sep 10, 2023, 6:40 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu6BPLMrwII

[strong plank]

I’m very curious how M1E3/M1A3 will pan out since the language they’ve used sounds similar to how they’ve talked about DLP

[autumn sorrel]

Hmm, what type of rammer did individual nation use for the BB main gun?

Chain rammer or power rammer?

[strong plank]

The Iowas used chains

[naive rampart]

https://nautiluslive.org Robert Ballard is diving the wreck of the Akagi via ROV right now! They are still descending but they should be doing the safety check soon. This is the first time ever they have dived her

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XxySdqU1Xg

[frozen kestrel]

Ballard's at it again I see

[naive rampart]

They just mentioned they found a few more "anomalies" on their sonar in the stream that they are going to check out in the next few days, so Hiryu and Soryu might not be in the dark for much longer

@frozen kestrel Yep! Nice to see the absolute legend back at it again and contributing even more to martime history. Especially in the wake of loosing RV Petrel

[frozen kestrel]

Hang on, what happened to Petrel?

Also yeah, I'm hyped to finally see Akagi's wreck, especially since Ballard's helping.

[grave ravine]

Since Paul Allen died they have been having major funding issues

AFAIK the ship got bought by the USN

[frozen kestrel]

Damn

At least she didn't get scrapped

[naive rampart]

@frozen kestrel Yeah, the navy bought her, but earlier this year she tipped over while in drydock and I don't think she's been repaired yet

[frozen kestrel]

Damn, I imagine that would've torn up her superstructure

[naive rampart]

Theres some photos of it, it doesn't look too severe. Its whether or not the navy will find it worth it to repair her or not

[frozen kestrel]

I hope they repair her

I just ran over to my pc thinking a usb disconnected, only to realize it was coming from the stream

[naive rampart]

First glimps of her!

[naive rampart]

Type 89 mounts

[naive rampart]

She's definitely a lot more intact than Kaga, which is super exciting

[grave ravine]

Not really a surprise, difference between taking 1 bomb and like 7

[wintry moat]

So this is Akagi

or what's left of her?

[grave ravine]

yeah

[naive rampart]

Her chrysanthemum is still there

[grave ravine]

yeah Im a bit behind in the video

stopped to go get dinner

[naive rampart]

@wintry moat Shes actually in a lot better shape than expected. Especially aft

[wintry moat]

Really?

Damn

[grave ravine]

the front has been totally trashed though

[wintry moat]

ah

is that where she sank from?

[grave ravine]

picture I just posted is a large section of the hangar deck that is collapsed

[wintry moat]

It slammed into the bottom?

[grave ravine]

flight deck is only really present near the aft

[grave ravine]

No, its due to large secondary explosions from ammo and fuel likely

[naive rampart]

Which is better than Kaga

[wintry moat]

I mean did she go bow downwards

[grave ravine]

yeah Kaga there is going to be no flight deck left at all

the ship sinking bow first likely did further damage to the bow

[naive rampart]

Yeah. It looks like she hit bow first at an angle to port

[grave ravine]

but its thought the damage to the flight and hangar decks is mostly due to the explosions

[naive rampart]

Most of the supports and chucks of bow flight deck are off the port side

I’m hoping the island is still intact. They apparently saw it on the sonar

[wintry moat]

it's cool she's in such good condition

[grave ravine]

Yorktown yesterday was amazing

[naive rampart]

She also isn’t as buried as Kaga. Her bow is completely brief in silt

[wintry moat]

You got screenshots?

[grave ravine]

a few, not as many

[naive rampart]

Yorktown also was amazing, I didn’t see much of it though

[wintry moat]

Can you send me the links

to the streams

[grave ravine]

The current Akagi dive https://nautiluslive.org/

[naive rampart]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cw-rPAlOunV/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Here’s a link to some official photos from Yorktown

nautiluslive

The team was in awe circling the bow of #USSYorktown, a #WWII aircraft carrier sunk in the #BattleofMidway that now lies over 5,000m deep on the #seafloor in Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument. We are privileged and honored to be able to witness such a powerful piece of #maritimeheritage for the first time in 25 years and express our gra...

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[grave ravine]

They haven't posted the full vid from Yorktown anywhere yet

[wintry moat]

Ah

[naive rampart]

Yeah, they said they will be releasing more pictures though

[wintry moat]

That's so cool

Did they ever find Hood?

or scout her?

[grave ravine]

Chicago Piano on Yorktown

Some pictures of the island and smokestack

from Yorktown

[naive rampart]

I didn’t think to get any screenshots sadly. I hope they release footage of the bomb and torpedo damage they found

[grave ravine]

yeah I only got a few

hopefully they post the full video sometime soon

more from Akagi today

part of the hull that has sunk into the seabed

The hull itself is vaguely visible where all the superstructure (hangar and flight decks) has been blown away

[grave ravine]

Bow of Akagi

[grave ravine]

Man when did you get that photo, Ive gone through the chrysanthemum section and got nothing like it

wait I managed to get some good ones now, which ones best?

[naive rampart]

Not much left of the bridge

[grave ravine]

one of the 4.7" gun pairs beneath the bridge

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1701039403504734455

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

In the 1960s, several Tench-class and Balao-class subs including USS Greenfish underwent the Greater Underwater Propulsive Power Program (GUPPY-III) conversion. The subs were cut in half and a 15-foot section of hull was added to permit more batteries and equipment.
#SubSunday

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Twitter · Sep 11, 2023, 1:06 AM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFtW419VwtY

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1701237274795466949

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

On #September11, fire engines needed to get into the Pentagon to combat the blaze but were too large to fit through the entrance tunnels. Volunteer firefighters from Woodsboro, MD drove 60 miles in a vintage 1955 open-cab fire truck that was small enough to enter the building.

Twitter · Sep 11, 2023, 2:12 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/ronkainen7k15/status/1701075533407404400

Ronkainen (@ronkainen7k15)

A beautiful side-view of the XM1302 Mobile Protected Firepower BAE prototype vehicle.
(Ted Dannemiller)

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Twitter · Sep 11, 2023, 3:29 AM

[autumn sorrel]

Why just not call it "light tank"?

[shrewd pecan]

the army

[subtle prawn]

The U.S. Army keeps insisting that it's not a light tank

[shrewd pecan]

its probably primarily down to marketing terms to ensure the program maintains funding

[autumn sorrel]

Call it light tank mean less funding?

[shrewd pecan]

calling it a tank might cause someone in congress to go "Wait a moment you already have one of those with the M1 abraham lincoln!"

doctrine wise its also closer to a Assault gun

[grave ravine]

Rather than fulfilling the typical roles of screening and scouting, MPF exists to provide integral direct fire support to IBCTs. As Tato said it's role is more akin to that of the assault gun than the light tank

[tough quail]

https://tenor.com/view/numb-linkin-park-mill-house-simpsons-depression-gif-25894467

my guys out here trying to call a reheated leo 1 an assault gun

[shrewd pecan]

the leo 1 was intended to face off against tanks and do the jobs of a tank

the MPF is aimed primarily towards infantry support

the leopard 1 in terms of its original role has not at all aged well

but we're speaking it's doctrine role here

not litigating the definition of a tank

[shrewd pecan]

With it being the 22nd anniversary of the worse attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor, I've been watching some of 60 minutes clips from the days, weeks and years after the attack that I thought might be interesting to the people here
https://youtu.be/h7xZQQq0_mw
https://youtu.be/hDPFukcWFsA
https://youtu.be/TO5YwDCx3FY
https://youtu.be/kXDZoG0ufaM
https://youtu.be/N1HDQhYsiX8

https://youtu.be/X3n2C_KQkCA
https://youtu.be/7tCfUzjga_U
https://youtu.be/SA-vKBxGuCw
https://youtu.be/bj6s4WULw64

[manic latch]

Tato

Someone leaked F-117 flight manual on WT forum

Was it you

[shrewd pecan]

you can find the utility flight manual on the first result on google

[manic latch]

True

Like Yf-23 one

[shrewd pecan]

the WT "classified document leaks" are usually just

the most lowkey shit that's techniqually either classified or export restricted

but doesn't really matter

[manic latch]

But why delete it if its very easy to find

Ah

[strong plank]

bc its paid content

[shrewd pecan]

there's a few cases where we get details regarding certain things

like the one chinese dart leak

[grave ravine]

Legal reasons

Since much of it is still technically classified or export restricted, it could cause issues for Gaijin

Ofc shit like the Chinese dart leak are different

[frozen kestrel]

Quick question: Does anybody know where I can find the blueprints of the B-29 Superfortress? I plan on modelling it in Blender since the free ones I have are dog shit, and I'm not going to pay 300 dollars for one I'm going to retexture anyways.

[shrewd pecan]

https://youtu.be/XQiqoI0QNwg

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1701290288365424658

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Launched in 1931, the FDNY fireboat John J. Harvey was decommissioned in 1994 but saved from the scrapyard by volunteers who turned the boat into a museum. On #September11, the boat was rushed back into service to pump water in lower Manhattan due to the fire mains being damaged.

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Twitter · Sep 11, 2023, 5:43 PM

[manic latch]

@tough quail "Joe-26» Soviet nuclear test, 40 kilotons, Semipalatinsk test site, 10 September 1956.

[autumn sorrel]

Those are thick ass barrel

[manic latch]

open-air classroom at Noboricho National School in Hiroshima after the atomic bombing. 1946

[haughty osprey]

Congress once caused the Navy to go Hee Hoo Peanut and redesignate a shitton of surface ships because "Soviet hev mor cruisers"

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1701393974152274377

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1943, the Brooklyn-class light cruiser USS Savannah (CL-42) was severely damaged after being hit by a German radio-controlled Fritz X glide-bomb off of Salerno. Savannah suffered significant casualties, but swift damage control by the crew saved the ship.

Twitter · Sep 12, 2023, 12:35 AM

[rapid junco]

Savannah was one of the few Brooklyn class ships that didn't got transferred

Alongside Honolulu

[eternal veldt]

Simple reason: both are the most modern and most upgraded of all Brooklyns

Both got the 5"/38 twins, basically upping them to St.Louis in terms of armament

[night heart]

https://web.archive.org/web/20230910085837/https://forum.warthunder.com/t/usa-need-a-new-top-attacker-f117-is-the-most-suitable/25582

@spring briar

[grave ravine]

wait they sold St Louis abroad though

[zealous vine]

Why were axis light cruisers far less developed than allied ones?

[autumn sorrel]

You mean German one? Bc Italy and Japan light cruiser isn’t bad.

And in what field that you think they are behind?

[grave ravine]

If you are talking about the Japanese ones, other than Aganos and Oyodo they are all old

And Agano and Oyodo are non-standard ships

Italian light cruisers were good, but they were a bit goofy with the whole speed demoning thing the French and Italians had going on with their smaller ships

And Germany was Germany

[autumn sorrel]

Plan Z scout cruiser

[grave ravine]

but I want to emphasize that Italian light cruisers were quite good

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah, Italy have good ship

[grave ravine]

and the old Japanese light cruisers were still decent ships, but their age really got to them

[autumn sorrel]

Hmm, IJN kinda a bit neglect on CL building, treaty limitation and treaty allocated tonnage?

[grave ravine]

well they built the Mogamis

but converted them into CAs

after they pulled out of the treaties

cuz the IJN really wanted all their large cruisers to be 8" cruisers

and while they did want to replace the old CLs that were serving as destroyer leaders, they did not have the money

[autumn sorrel]

Hmm, sound like Kantai Kassen influence, focus more on cruiser squadron for decisive battle than CL for other duty

[grave ravine]

or remaining industrial capability

I mean everything Japan built was for decisive battle

the CLs were to lead destroyer squadrons in decisive battle

[alpine onyx]

Wouldn't call the K-class less developed. They were late 20s CLs, and for the most part solid ships. Shitzig sure, a step back, and Nürnberg an attempt to get back to it.

[manic latch]

@spring briar Fren

[junior trench]

one thing which will always mystify me about the Aganos is the choice to use the absolutely ancient pre-WW1 6" guns from the Kongo class's casemates on them

when there were still extra 6.1" barrels leftover from the Mogami class swap and the Yamato class refits

[alpine onyx]

Maybe something about not requiring actual hoists for the 6in, and then cheaping out on the gun house

It's weird, but I guess if the assumption is to only engage unarmored ships it can work. Still a ship

[autumn sorrel]

FAB?

[eternal veldt]

My guess is that St.Louis is probably in worse condition/less upgraded than Savannah and Honolulu.
Honolulu especially since she was in the middle of a refit when war ended.

Pure speculation only though

[eternal veldt]

IIRC the 15.5cms were too heavy for Aganos

Personally, what weirds me out more about the Aganos are the follow on ships - from 4 shafts to 3, and it doesnt look like they're trying diesel or something.

Unless cramming an extra turret onto a presumably enlarged Agano hull means the ship is too heavy to handle another shaft.

[naive rampart]

https://nautiluslive.org They are about to dive Kaga. This one shouldn’t be anything too new but should still be cool

[shrewd pecan]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/vanguard-submarine-arrives-home-absolutely-caked-in-algae

[rapid junco]

It was good that you guys were discussing cruisers
Because i was also going to bring a discussion on it

I'm unsubscribed from the The Front channel (i won't elaborate why here)
But from time to time his posts come into my feed
And then he made about the hunt for Bismarck (which was a very crap post, i can elaborate that one later)
But the thing is i actually found someone agreeing on me but then i disagreed after
Because the guy claims that the battlecruisers came after the heavy cruiser

I actually commited a slight mistake
For i claimed heavy cruisers were a replacement for the armored/protected cruisers (at least it isn't that way according to Wikipedia)

[autumn sorrel]

"1950s"

I mean, I stop watch The Front after dude do some idiotic vid and when he literally use all AI generate art in his thumbnail, I stop all together

Like, it not that hard to find ww2 related pic and use it in thumbnail

[rapid junco]

I did after his sister channel made a video saying that BRICS are the future

I was subscribed due to him paying a little more attention to minor factions (such as my country)

[autumn sorrel]

Better watch Mark Felton, he is certified historian that actually have published studies

[desert agate]

Yeah don't watch his content

His written content tends to be pretty good though

[junior trench]

would only look like it's been sleeping on the bottom if that particular bottom is shallow enough for the submarine to still receive VLF radio signal

[unborn wyvern]

JMSDF Kongō I to JMSDF Kongō II was a very strange evolutionary journey

Also strange Japan would build such a ship immediately after the war but hey, gotta use those scrapped Sherman tanks for something

[desert agate]

Baltic

[autumn sorrel]

[rapid junco]

He Just reads Wikipédia articles basically

The Front's post
Basically he says it was an American contribution that "turned the tide of the Hunt"

[grave ravine]

Cyclic was saying over on Drach's server that it didn't have to do with geography and that it was just the submarines loitering near the surface to be ready to receive orders

[grave ravine]

RAF Coastal command locating Bismarck is "American contribution that turned the tide"

Lol

[rapid junco]

He argues that because it was a Lend lease Catalina

Damn
Following that logic
U199 sinking should be considered a contribution of the US

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/usairforce/status/1701649920074117141

U.S. Air Force (@usairforce)

During his keynote speech at #AFASeptember @GenCQBrownJr highlighted the B-21 Raider as an example of successful design implementation for the @usairforce under "Action Order D" of his goal to #AccelerateChange.

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Twitter · Sep 12, 2023, 5:32 PM

[rapid junco]

I'm also Not counting the wanking of Bismarck right at the start
For sure it was a threat
But it is overated Just as many of the German things back then

Speaking of "US turning the tide"
Do keep in mind i'm making that question on good faith

Does the US entrance and later contribution in WWI (One) does turn the tide
Or like
It is overrated

Because i get Both the
"Yes they did"
And the
"No, in that way you oversimplify"

[grave ravine]

As usual it's somewhere in between

The Entente probably would have achieved eventual victory on its own

But the entry of the US into the war counteracted the morale effects of Russia's surrender, and did bring a lot of significant material gains

[tough quail]

i did not have "americans taking credit for the hunt for bismarck" on my bingo card

someone needs to be beaten with rubber hoses

who on earth focuses on the former

i cant even think of the last time someone called it a "blockade" and not "germany ineffectually pissing off the british"

[chilly osprey]

I'd say the US's (raw in particular) material and financial support was very important in WWI.

But in general military capacity, not so much.

[strong plank]

I think y’all might be reading into it too much

imo he’s saying it was that particular recon aircraft that “turned the tide”/was the deciding factor

and it happened to be lend-leased from America

it reads like he noticed it was American while copying the Wikipedia article and went “oh that’s an interesting detail, I shall include it”

[strong plank]

Bismarck wanking is pretty funny bc like

I feel like any of the big 7 would’ve been able to put bisko down like a dog

not to mention the better BBs close to completion at that time

but sure Bismarck is “one of the most powerful battleships, with bigger guns and heavier armor than any other”

It’s like a comment I saw yesterday

“huge guns” yeah no, not when the Colorados and Nelsons and Nagatos were around

[tough quail]

"fast support battleships" as though that is a thing that existed

naval warfare understander has logged in

[spring briar]

thick, heavy armor

what

[chilly osprey]

[screaming]

[subtle prawn]

Throwback to this

[strong plank]

I keep getting the new army ads on YT

and I can’t help but feel that they wimped out

if you’re going to bring back the “Be all that you can be” slogan, you gotta bring back the song too

https://youtu.be/ms9pxvEbILs?si=0Jtrng72DPKsQO3U

[maiden citrus]

gets there fast, does nothing, the apex of tens of thousands of tons of material

the all new fast support battleship

hm, the 'fast support battleships with god-tier aaa' also have more armor and also bigger guns? most curious

[manic latch]

Marat can 1v1/s

[limber kayak]

heavy cruisers are literally a class created by treaties after the introduction of the battle cruiser, so in a way they are the replacements just in an artificial way

the claim about battle cruiser being introduced in the 1950s has jackie fischer rolling in his grave faster than nikola tesla anytime someone mentions elon musk

[rapid junco]

The recent book i bought maybe does it to a bit
I need to reread the excerpt
Although i've my suspicious since it can be very superficial sometimes

I already showed my critics to it here
Especially to a part where the author contradicts itself

And recently i met with the author in a event in Montes Claros and asked for an autograph on the book
But i refrained from talking about it

[rapid junco]

I though the replacement of the battlecruiser was the "Fast battleship"

[tough quail]

heavy cruisers have absolutely nothing to do with battlecruisers whatsoever

[maiden citrus]

yeah, heavy cruiser is just a nebulous term made up for the naval treaties of the 30s later based on gun caliber (of still non capital ship guns), battlecruisers were the new armored cruiser adversary in the time of the 1910s

[chilly osprey]

I don't know if I'd say heavy cruiser is that nebulous.

It's pretty specific, as far as warship types - it defines a light cruiser with a gun caliber greater than 155mm (6.1") - corresponding to the 'Category A' cruiser type in the LNT of 1930.

If anything 'light cruiser' ended up being more nebulous because it defined basically every modern cruiser built from just before WWI and onwards.

And depending on your definition either ended up being the last type of cruiser, or perhaps not, given that some of the fresh-built guided missile cruisers of the Cold War had no armor.

Or, at least a conventional belt and deck.

[maiden citrus]

yeah, I just consider both to be a bit nebulous because I agree with the light cruiser bit, cruiser itself is pretty general too, but in this case these two are categorized into two different types of ships strictly by necessity of a document wording

basically, well defined on paper, but on a single relatively arbitrary point

[wintry moat]

I’m saving that

[limber kayak]

I wasn't meaning to imply they replaced it outright and officially, that's why I said there's an argument for them being an artificial replacement. Heavy cruisers were a definition created by the second London naval treaty in the 30s, the battle cruiser was introduced as a concept 20 something years before that

Heavy cruisers were the new "big gun cruisers" just without any of the things that would make them actually survivable and were a step back in every way from a battlecruiser, by design. Second London also discouraged using slotted capital ship tonnage on battlecruisers because of how it was structured. The only arguable battlecruiser built after the Washington treaty was the Alaskas

Even then the US never called them battle cruisers

[manic latch]

Neither Soviets called Kronshtadt or Stalingrad as battlecruiser

[unkempt sedge]

Hence the term "Large Crusier" or "Super Crusier" came to be.

[chilly osprey]

I wouldn't say the heavy cruiser replaced the battlecruiser in any way.

Remember, 'Heavy' Cruisers are just Light Cruisers. Light Cruiser itself refers to a general style of cruiser, while 'heavy' is just a way of dividing them based on armament. Prior to 1930, most 'Heavy' cruisers were simply classed as light cruisers.

The Light Cruiser evolved in parallel with the Battlecruiser - the Battlecruiser was essentially the 'dreadnought' evolution of the armored cruiser, while the term 'Light Cruiser' is derived from 'Light Armored Cruiser' and evolved as smaller belted successors to protected cruisers with all QF gun armaments.

In the period immediately after WWI, multiple navies were looking into larger light cruisers armed with 190mm to 203mm guns - the British were looking for trade protection cruisers, while the Americans and Japanese were both looking at scout ships for the open Pacific ocean. These designs in fact coexisted with the final generation of battlecruiser designs that were ultimately axed by the WNT of 1922.

By the time navies were allowed to start building new capital ships under the treaty system, the battlecruiser as a type had become throughly obsolete, and only fast battleships were built. Light Cruisers - including the 203mm 'heavy' types - were not, however, and continued to be built.

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/DekglrcbW2Q?si=Bl8m3oy2ImzqlQv3

I remember first hearing about these subs in a book (forget it's name). They were pretty cool looking to me IMO. I was like how bad were they? What a nightmare these subs were.

The Kaiserliche marine even studied steam powered submersible crusiers as well.

https://youtu.be/67IritgM79U?si=WytHRgjQLA8XWBZy

[gentle island]

Jay Leno owns a "bently" powered by a naturally aspirated Rolls royce merlin 27.1 litere v12 engine that produces 650 horsepower (the same one used in spitfires and the P-51) however this one doesn't have the supercharger that makes it have around 1200 horsepower, the one used came from a tank.

[unkempt sedge]

I highly recommend subscribing to this gentleman's yt channels. If it's anything about the technical aspects of ww2 aircraft (performamce and design) then Greg is the man for the job.

https://youtu.be/B_N5fTJ5HGw?si=EshavIrh63zK3Ork

https://youtu.be/KGFsAOUdX7A?si=3h_cyL0ygkhPRAyw

https://youtu.be/Dck3yr1ISds?si=CjwoWrA3SOZUzGre

https://youtu.be/zGYsy2s1iYQ?si=cKffaTKUZlClZBnY

[unkempt sedge]

The unsupercharged version of the Merlin used in tanks was actually known as the Meteor. It was used in tanks like the Cromwell, Comet, Charioteer, Centurion, amd even the A39 Tortoise.

Jay Leno also has another car that his team built with an actual Merlin. It's absolutely gorgeous.

https://youtu.be/8AKCnIO2QeM?si=pvojpdYz3L9jgPIK

You can keep your Lambos and Ferraris I'd take this as my personal dream car!

[somber knoll]

There was also that Modified Deusenberg with the Curtiss Aviation V12

that broke records

[unkempt sedge]

Indeed. The Mormon Meteor. There apparently were two different cars though. One had a Dusenberg inline 8 cylinder supercharged and the other had the V12 V-1570 Conquerer aero engine.

Mormon also made another car with an Alison V1710 V-12. The same engine used in the P-38, P-39, & P-40. I found some info on it.

https://oldmachinepress.com/2014/06/11/jenkins-mormon-meteor-iii/

[somber knoll]

then its record was broken by a measle but still a gigachad OG Corvette ZR-1

[fierce sparrow]

https://twitter.com/ampol_moment/status/1701241656345768230

crazy ass moments in american politics (@ampol_moment)

Due to France not endorsing the Iraq War the Congressional Cafeteria renames French fries and French toast to ‘Freedom Fries’ and ‘Freedom Toast’ (2003)

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Twitter · Sep 11, 2023, 2:29 PM

. . .

https://twitter.com/vodk_anon/status/1701668364085493937

Vodka 🧊 (@vodk_anon)

The ability to rapidly deploy a fast food restaurant to any location on the globe remains one of the USA's most vital combat capabilities

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Twitter · Sep 12, 2023, 6:45 PM

[maiden citrus]

hot dog mobile spotted

[strong plank]

I always find it funny how in recent decades people act like there’s this huge animosity between the US and France

due to stuff like their stance on Iraq

but when you look more broadly the US and France have been pretty ride-or-die

[maiden citrus]

one minor disagreement after centuries of friendship does not a friendship break

[desert agate]

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/time-to-re-establish-the-royal-australian-fleet-auxiliary/

[remote monolith]

https://phys.org/news/2023-09-nature-great-survivors-survived-mass.html

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viWAUjkz9UY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cchHPToT2RU

[fierce sparrow]

TRENCH GUN!!

[zealous vine]

Why do most modern wheeled AFVs have rear-mounted turrets?

[digital mantle]

What torpedo-/dive-bombing planes did the Italian and French use during WWII and what are their in-game equivalents as far as plane type (Bi-planes, Jet engines, Planes without propellers, etc.) and if their equivalents are not in the game, then please suggest a torpedo-/dive-bombing plane that would work in its place.

What fighter-planes would the USSR during the entirety of WWII, both made in Russia and any that were given to them or what have you?

[chilly osprey]

I can't really answer in-game stuff, but as far as IRL goes;

Italy:

Italy's primary torpedo bombers in WWII were the SM.79 and SM.84 - both tri-engine medium bombers.

Later in the war they were also planning on using the Re.2001 to release a lighter type of torpedo (600 kg) for use off of carriers, and the G.55 was also being looked into as a successor to the increasingly vulnerable medium bombers.

For dive-bombing - Italy's main dive-bomber was the German Ju.87. Due to their failure of their own pre-war dive bomber project (the SM.85) - initially the Ju.87B-2 (as the 'Picchiatello') but then late the 87R-2/5, and finally late in the war some Ju.87D-3's. The Re.2001 could also be used as a sort of dive-bomber, in fact replacing a dedicated dive-bomber then under development - the Ba.201 - as it could do most of what the Ba.201 could do, but was more survivable and multi-role given it was first and foremost a fighter.

France:

For torpedo bombers, going into the war France utilized the Latécoère 298, a seaplane which was used as a torpedo bomber and recon aircraft. For use off the upcoming Joffre-class carriers they were planning to utilize the CAO 600, a twin-engine aircraft, but this never completed development.

For dive-bombing, the MN was planning on using the LN.401, but encountered difficulties with the type and ultimately ordered the American Vought SB2U 'Vindicator', which they designated the V-165F. Some were delivered prior to the French armistice.

[digital mantle]

Lastly,—for the time being—while I want to organize my fleet a little more effectively:

What are the equipment equivalents to the all the WWI, SMS Ironblood ships’ armaments IRL while not just limiting them to only Ironblood faction equipment, but all in-game equipment load-outs?
Also, what kind of equipment, weapons, vehicles, and overall tools would exchange/trade/gift to one another as well as which countries would do so and with whom? My understanding of what all goes on during war is a somewhat narrow-minded and vague despite having taken interests in learning history and how people behaved in the past prior to my birth, so I don’t know if each country that fought in WWII would outsource/steal/“reappropriate”/trade/sell/buy their weapons, tools, equipment, and machinery from neutral/enemy countries at that time.
For reference, here is a spreadsheet I rely on to organize my fleets’ load-outs:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-mzOsoYnYnQmaB9dN3RhaWO-SPgnFLKcHxYKPKIPIzw/edit#gid=1567289598

[limber kayak]

i can only describe the italian torpedo bomber pilots as..... very brave

[chilly osprey]

There's a reason they were more famous than fighter aces during the war lol

(in Italy, ofc)

[autumn sorrel]

Bc engine is upfront

[manic latch]

Soviets used Il-4 as torpedo bombers during ww2

As for carrier fighter a Yak would be choosen very likely like Yak-9

Or lend lease some juicy crossairs like British

[autumn sorrel]

Remind me of that Russian movie about Black Sea fleet

I must say, a good movie sequence about torpedo run

[tough quail]

eternally disappointed il-4s aren't just two tandem il-2s welded together like a P-82

[digital mantle]

Which Iris Orthodoxy ship (including any MNF and FNFF) used the Triple 152mm (Mle 1930 HE)?

I’m not sure why they don’t make it constructible in the Gear Labs, but since I only have the one, I want to give the French CL/BC/BB ship that this belongs to rather than just give them the standard model.
Does it belong to any of the ships that were for The Fool’s Scales, MNF Light Cruiser Marseillaise, and/or FNFF Light Cruiser Émile Bertin? Was this specific light cruiser gun even constructed during in WWII at all?

[manic latch]

Ship classes that carried the Canon de 152 mm Modèle 1930 include:

Cruiser Émile Bertin

La Galissonnière-class cruisers

Richelieu-class battleships

[digital mantle]

So those are the classes that carry the HE-version of the gun?

[manic latch]

You know that

Guns can shoot different shells

[tough quail]

yeah the HE thing is just a game mechanic

because guns are ammo locked in AL

all of them are capable of and regularly supplied with HE shells

[rapid junco]

Reminds me
I think it was in WWI
Things like
"Freedom Hound" (Daschhound)

[unkempt sedge]

I remember reading somewhere (sadly I do not remember where) that there was a modification for the Pe-2 to carry torpedos? Curious if anyone else has info on this 🤔 I know the il-2 had a torpedo version the il-2T.

[tough quail]

but consider:

wyverns are incredibly based

its cool enough it makes them accurate retroactively

[unkempt sedge]

Found some videos of Wyverns operating on Illustrious and Eagle (Audacious class)

https://youtu.be/M59ET5TlYe8?si=RJbGAngxIqksvYYf

https://youtu.be/snwXgB4_dN4?si=w0fgeMhE5wXLWmxC

[tough quail]

my beloved

also attackers are nifty little guys too

tbh they had a better chance of being good as a torpedo bomber

given AL divebombers are almost exclusively shit

because they made bombs work in the dumbest way possible

[unkempt sedge]

The Firebrand had a lot of problems though. Good looking plane, though IMO.

https://youtu.be/JBcKOzTCUGA?si=Rh4MzbXFyHXSEBG5

[manic latch]

I want the Project 509 as NP UR torpedo bomber

Project 509 was a development of the Tu-14 torpedo bomber for a carrierborne version

[tough quail]

im more mad we didn't get the game destroying ultra DB wyverns with 6x 500lb bombs

that would be like

[unkempt sedge]

I still want il-2T first though.

[tough quail]

2.5x better than a helldiver

🙏

why don't we have malta yet

amgry

also tbf

they made it do weed damage

so thats funny

[unkempt sedge]

I hope we get HMS Furious first before Malta. Britain's first major fleet carrier and she has not been added yet 😪

[tough quail]

just put them both in smh

we got plymouth right after vanguard

who gives a shit

plymouth and brest are good girls

do not bully

[unkempt sedge]

Still keeping my fingers crossed for Yostar to give SE this plane. It was never built, but it is one awsome looking plane.

(From Wikipedia)

"A7M3-J Reppū-Kai
Proposed land-based interceptor version powered by a 2,200 hp (1,600 kW) turbo-supercharged Mitsubishi Ha-43 engine including an inter-cooler, with a maximum speed of 648 km/h (402 mph). The armament consisted of six 30 mm (1.20 in) Type 5 cannons, four wing-mounted & two oblique fuselage-mounted. Full-scale mock-up built, but no prototype."

[grave ravine]

Id note Richelieu had different mounts, if you care about that

[manic latch]

Are you telling me

BBs get modified mounts

Compared to CLs

Mah gawd

[grave ravine]

want something even more game braking? AD Skyraider could carry IRL 3 2000lb bombs and 12 HVARs

[grave ravine]

they were DP mounts

[manic latch]

No

[grave ravine]

didn't work very well

[manic latch]

They were capable of DP

But it doesn't work

It's no really DP just because you give it good angle personally

It has to actually have the traverse

Or fire rate if Traverse is bad

[tough quail]

yeah but thats worse

because 2000lb bombs suck

with how goofy AL damage scaling is

[grave ravine]

I mean not really

the go to DB in AL if you don't have Tenrai

is Helldiver

because of the 2000lb bomb

[tough quail]

no

its because of the 500lb bombs

because bomb scaling is completely out of whack

a T3 500lb bomb does 425 damage at +13

a 2000lb bomb does 538

i assume i dont really need to explain the issue

[spring briar]

trying to figure out how to cut an external rifling groove on a lathe

could probably try via threading

God's shallowest thread

[tough quail]

despite having exactly the same weight in bombs a helldiver at the same tier would do 1388 damage

a 6x 500lb wyvern would do 2550

2688 if you acount for T0 shenanigans

oh?

[spring briar]

hronse

ducke/goese

Jacobs rifle with its 2000 yard sight

[grave ravine]

wait there is nothing in game with 250lb bombs

[unkempt sedge]

Still like it though. What could have been.

[frozen kestrel]

I legitimately thought this was a Stuka for a second

[tough quail]

tol

[spring briar]

this is the bayonet for it

[tough quail]

[autumn sorrel]

Dual barrel rifle?

[autumn sorrel]

Sword bayonet is based

[spring briar]

yes

Jacobs rifle

[autumn sorrel]

Hmm, products of British eccentricities

Hmm, the bullet for the rifle is... interesting

[spring briar]

yes

I have one

[kindred acorn]

A Nuclear What

[autumn sorrel]

You didn't know?

[grave ravine]

Nuclear depth charge

[autumn sorrel]

It is actually standard armament for ASW mid Cold War

[grave ravine]

Yep

[autumn sorrel]

How to increase ASW capability?
Use nuke warhead

[grave ravine]

Just normal cold war things

[autumn sorrel]

Pretty scary if you ask me, it is guarantee dead for any sub caught near it

[grave ravine]

Same shot but from the side

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1701994655041085845

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Happy 102nd birthday to Lou Conter, the last living survivor of the 1941 attack on USS Arizona at Pearl Harbor. He became a pilot during the war and was shot down twice. He later established the Navy's first Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape program.

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Twitter · Sep 13, 2023, 4:22 PM

[humble mulch]

This is unfathomable based

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPK-6_Vodopad/RPK-7_Veter

[chilly flower]

Look on the bright side Horse-
Its basically a Soviet Betty (only actually protected unlike a Betty )

[chilly flower]

As far as I'm aware, there wasn't a modification or dedicated torpedo bomber variant for the Pe-2.
There was however a variant for the Pe-2's competitor and eventual replacement, the Tupolev Tu-2, in the form of the Tu-2T. However, this model arrived too late to see any service in WW2 and was only completed well after the end of the war. Unfortunately I don't have my Tu-2 book with me for its entry there so photos from https://airpages.ru/eng/ru/tu2t.shtml

[chilly flower]

Ah, the cocaine Reppu
Closest thing to a Japanese P-47

[zealous vine]

Fair

[chilly flower]

4 x 30mms in the wings
Where are the last two 30mms you may ask?

30mm Schrage Musik
On a single engine Fighter

This is why this is the cocaine Reppu

(from here, need account to get the images though) https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/mitsubishi-a7m-«-reppu-»-sam.7230/

[unkempt sedge]

Perhaps I got the Pe-2 confused with the Tu-2. Thanks for the info!

[unkempt sedge]

It's the closest aircraft SE gets that is close to a superprop like a Bearcat or Tigercat. Good for UR.

[chilly flower]

Wasn't aware that a mock-up replica has been made for it, neat
I know there's one for the E16A

[chilly flower]

and its likely that Manjuu will just take a page out of Wargaming's book and add it as the A8M if I had to guess, they've been doing that a lot more with WG stuff outside of PR I've noticed

[unkempt sedge]

I'll take it either way, though I'd rather it being the A7M3-J.

[chilly flower]

Now, to contribute to this-
Less so operational TBs and DBs, but more directly planned Carrier aircraft for the Regia Marina, starting with the Fiat G.50 B and G.50 O/R (Operazione Roma, as far as I know the name of the project to either develop Carriers or just to develop aircraft for them, the latter would make more sense as OR is generally what you see for projected Carrier variants of existing aircraft). The G.50 would likely be limited to naval recon only, though from what I recall there was an idea for them to also be used in some kind of bombing role, no torpedoes however (and you certainly couldn't dive bomb with the Freccia either)

More concerning the Re.2001 OR, don't have the PDF with me again unfortunately but screenshots I've posted before- the OR was to have the ability to carry a 600kg torpedo or bomb, the same capability as the experimental Re.2001 G/H torpedo bomber Phoenix mentioned

Additionally, a correction- its Organizzazione Roma and not Operazione Roma for OR, I misremembered (and the G.50 book is an outlier in that regard I believe)

[chilly flower]

The Re.2001 G. Note the raised tailwheel to have enough clearance for the torpedo, much like the Fw 190 F-8/R-14 that tested the feasibility of a torpedo-carrying 190 (and other planned versions concerning the 190)

and then there's the second generation, using two of the three "Series 5" Fighters- the G.55 and Re.2005 (the third being the C.205, which was not as suitable from what I recall)
Starting with the G.55N, which would lead to the G.55S

(more for the G.55S)

and a likely successor to the G.55S would be the G.57, which was a development of the G.55 to make it more standardized and use a domestic radial engine for the sake of production, something Italy was severely limited with in general

and mention of the Re.2005 OR, unfortunately this is all we have however

[chilly flower]

(and some images of standard Re.2005s as a reference for what that Fighter looks like, beautiful thing)

The only surviving piece of one today unfortunately

[unkempt sedge]

Both German and Allied pilots who flew it had many good things to say about it and other Italian fighters in general. Italian aircraft are VERY underrated.

[chilly flower]

all of these were from the Ali d'Italia book series, which are both in English and Italian in the same pages and a series I highly recommend if you can find them (in this case I only have their online versions)

Finally, a link to an earlier post in this channel concerning projected Soviet carrier aircraft, both conversions of existing aircraft and planned dedicated airframes in the form of the PT-1 and PT-2 bombers
#history message

[chilly osprey]

Oh, very nice, I don't think I've see those sources before. Nice to have confirmation on the proposed Re.2005 carrier version, I'd heard of it before but lacked a source.

Where can these be found online?

[unkempt sedge]

There was even a further development of it known as the Re. 2006.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggiane_Re.2006

[chilly flower]

I largely got mine off Z-Library (which thankfully is back iirc) where I could find them, apparently they are sold in some places like Stormo! and other sites too though https://www.stormomagazine.com/books_AliDItalia.htm

I'll be on my main PC again by next weekend, I have some of them downloaded there, some of which I still have to get to like the SM.79, Z.506, etc

[chilly flower]

There were similar projects for the other Series 5 Fighters in the form of the G.56 and C.207 using the DB 603 as well

[deep apex]

Man even if Italian bombers were underpowered...they do have drip tho

[chilly flower]

and some interesting trivia concerning the myth of the Re.2007

[chilly flower]

Re.2006 bottom (Re.2004, another project using a different engine, top)

[deep apex]

The Italian aircraft always somehow managed to look fitted the fuck out in drip

That you can't deny

[unkempt sedge]

Always loved the look of the tri-motors.

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/09/13/army-long-range-missile-launcher-spotted-on-navy-littoral-combat-ship

[chilly flower]

Z.506 Airone my beloved

Absoloutely going to see the one at Vigna di Valle someday (and everything else there)

[unkempt sedge]

Re. 2004 was supposed to be powered by this masterpiece of an engine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotta_Fraschini_Zeta

Impractical as they are, and unreliable they are amazing to look at.

I mean Russia made this bad boy!

(EDIT: I know the M-503 was successful.)

https://oldmachinepress.com/2016/09/05/yakovlev-m-501-and-zvezda-m503-and-m504-diesel-engines/

[chilly flower]

Aye

(Installation on a Sparviero intended for the 2004 mentioned in the passage)

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1702068050227257694

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Happy #NationalPeanutDay! Crews on U.S. Navy ships would hold peanut races to help boost morale. This is Ensign Arleigh A. Burke pushing a peanut by blowing on it during a competition on board USS Arizona (BB-39) in the 1920s.

Twitter · Sep 13, 2023, 9:13 PM

[rapid junco]

Good to see Pretz here

[runic ermine]

https://youtu.be/XZz8VVKHDcU?si=F7gBpJEvcV8zfDQT

[autumn sorrel]

"Simple History"

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/RcQiIxHb7nc?si=WOmdQrNwTfdFot7t

[tough quail]

was wwii germany responsible for my dad not loving me!?

[cinder escarp]

(yes)

[tough quail]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-anime-omg-fire-help-gif-17364430

[maiden citrus]

"It was me Barry" -Germany

[tough quail]

i did not expect the blitz to involve being jerked off at superspeed

[manic latch]

DECISIVE BATTLE STRATEGY
The strategy of the IJN was underpinned by several key assumptions.
The main assumption was that, as the Russo-Japanese naval war had been decided by the Battle of Tsushima on May 27-28, 1905, the war against the USN would be decided by a single great naval clash. The nature of this battle was also believed to be certain, and this conviction was shared by both the IJN and the USN: the battle would be decided by the big guns aboard battleships. All other arms of the IJN were dedicated to supporting the dreadnoughts when they met the USN in battle. The place of the great clash between dreadnoughts was also sure, at least for the IJN. The Japanese assumed that at the start of any conflict, they would quickly seize the largely unprotected American-held Philippines. This would force the USN to mount a drive across the Pacific to retake them. Accordingly, the great clash would take place somewhere in the western Pacific when the IJN decided the time was right to stop the American advance.

Furthermore, it was clear to the Japanese that in order to win the decisive clash they would have to make up for a numerical disadvantage. The Japanese realized that they would never have the industrial capacity to create a navy equal in size to the USN, but, since they were planning on deriving the benefits of being on the defensive, they calculated that they had to have only 70 percent of the strength of the USN to be in a position to prevail in the great clash. This assumption was built on two pillars. Both became driving forces in IJN naval construction, tactical development, and training between the wars. The first was that the IJN had to have the weapons tactics to inflict severe attrition on the USN before the decisive battle, which and would bring the IJN to at least parity. Once at rough parity, IJN units with superior speed and capable of hitting at ranges beyond the reach of the USN, crewed by superbly trained personnel, would win the day.

Now if someone ever asks about Japanese doctrine

Slap their face with this

[eternal veldt]

Just tell them to read Kaigun

You can't just collapse 300+ pages worth of information on Japanese naval development and doctrine from its genesis and demise into two paragraphs

[manic latch]

Try me

[manic latch]

Horse goes back in time to make Tsar navy win Tsushima

Krem pops up and stops Horse, since Tsushima is a Canon event that will eventually lead to design of Soyuz. Since she incorporates lessons from it

[remote monolith]

https://www.iflscience.com/conspiracy-theorist-asks-if-dinosaurs-actually-existed-wouldnt-their-bones-be-everywhere-70670

No particularly ezcitimg news

So have this

[autumn sorrel]

Dino doesn’t exist, only big lizard

[remote monolith]

Tbf technically they are as both belongs to Sauropsida

Birds can also be taken as simply flighty lizards, technically speaking

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHVpuhr2UgA

[subtle prawn]

@eternal veldt Quick question, do you know if the B-65 cruisers were planned to have torpedo launchers or not?

[eternal veldt]

Not that I'm aware of.

bible does not have any mention of torpedoes.

[runic ermine]

Looking at the ship's design it's probably because of those side turrets

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1702402137685135525

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD 1976, an F-14 skidded off the deck of USS John F. Kennedy near Scotland. The crew ejected but the jet plunged to a depth of 1850 feet. Fearing that the Soviets would scoop up the Tomcat and its AIM-54 Phoenix missiles, the Navy recovered the plane after an intensive search.

Twitter · Sep 14, 2023, 7:21 PM

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_at_Crush

"Let's make 2 locomotives crash to each other at high speed with many spectators"

[wintry moat]

That is an absolute unit of a cake

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1702450160863744339

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1994, USS Eisenhower (CVN-69) left Norfolk loaded with 58 Army helicopters and 2000 soldiers to take part in Operation Uphold Democracy in Haiti. It would be the largest Army air operation from an aircraft carrier since the Doolittle Raid in 1942.

Twitter · Sep 14, 2023, 10:32 PM

[frozen kestrel]

Hey, quick question: How many propellers did Prinz Eugen have?

[manic latch]

3

[frozen kestrel]

Thank you

[gentle island]

If you could have a three car garage with any car what would you put in it?

[autumn sorrel]

BRDM-2

[gentle island]

Probably a Koenigsegg Agera R, a Brabus G65 and a Ferrari F8 tributo for me.

[desert agate]

Toyota 79 Series Land Cruiser or a Nissan GU Patrol with Barra swap

Holden A9X Torana

Holden VF Commodore

79 series and GU

A9X

VF Commodore

Hear the mighty iron lion roar

[supple surge]

So I got some pics of Japanese ww2 vics but uhh

In Japan

[grave ravine]

If you have 10k bucks burning a hole in your pocket (and whatever you need to get it to your country) it could be yours https://mortarinvestments.eu/catalog/item/brdm-2

[supple surge]

Found my car

[tribal mortar]

how much horsepower?

[supple surge]

170 hp according to google

But uhh this is from a certain Japanese museum so I want to be sure I can post the vehicles

[worn ember]

still wonder if the MG in the back of the turret was even useful

seems like a waste of room in the turret

[tribal mortar]

sometimes

japan use their tank as infantry support

so ig

[thorn trail]

Can someone tell me why in this pic of the only time Iowa's were in a division together is NJ at the very back painted very white?

[autumn sorrel]

Damn, 10k Euros

[eternal veldt]

Answer: they are not in different colours.

The explanation is ironically simple: cloud cover and reflection.

As of 1954, all ships of the Iowa class are painted in haze grey colour.

Again, to illustrate this, I present you this photo: Is the ship on the right side of the photo in different shade of grey compared to others?

If your answer is yes, then nature basically flipped you off via reflection/sunshine - because they are in the same colours.

And finally:

and on top of that these are modern photos. WWII B&W film doesn't properly capture colour information, only lightness and reflectivity. So it's a complete non-starter for tone and hue identification, or contrast. And on top of that various films were more or less sensitive to some colours of the spectrum that makes them look completely wrong to the modern eye

[thorn trail]

ok lmao

makes sense

was wondering why only one of them was this weird ass bright white

[trail berry]

P-40

[main marsh]

chi-ha?

[supple surge]

Ye type 97

[supple surge]

One issue is the turret is cramped but I wonder if the gunner could do double duty

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jLnfuoifqk

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA8mpE14FeA

[autumn sorrel]

Historically, French come out a lot on top in many battle but they never held the initiative.

Even when suffer major casualties, Giap still able to denied French control of the countryside and the majority of the northern highland outside of some French stronghold is in Viet Minh hand.

Like, French inflict heavy casualties on Viet Minh regiments during Hoa Binh campaign but French patrol don’t even dare to go outside to the countryside.

[spring briar]

is this similar to the later US situation in Nam?

[chilly osprey]

US was definitely willing to go out into the countryside, and likewise generally won in direct fights, often by very wide margins.

Ex, the infamous Tet Offensive was a crushing defeat for the North and the Viet Cong

[spring briar]

the countrysides
I suppose that means
ricefields, villages, jungles

right?

[chilly osprey]

Pretty much, yeah

[spring briar]

I suppose the French troops were limited to roads to stay close to their supply lines?
as opposed to the Americans which had a lot of heli's, ships and trucks and therefore a much wider network?

[chilly osprey]

To a signficant degree, yeah. The French were fighting that campaign basically from before WWII started and beyond and they did not have a ton of resources to spare for the effort.

[frozen kestrel]

It's a real shame that there's so few airworthy Zeros left

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah, like what Phoenix said. But I will add that after Tet, major direct fight are avoid unless they are pre-planned for months but the scope is limited.

Westmoreland “search and destroy” is very controversial to say the least. While it does somewhat inflict damage on the NLF manpower and equipment, US commander were incentives by a body count system which often unreliable at best due to guerrilla fighters often blend to the populace.

And US sortie are mostly carrying out during daylight or with air support, reducing the chance of any major ambush by the NLF, while the French often get their convoy or unit ambush by regimental size Viet Minh unit. NLF cannot fight head on so it was common to use sniper and booby trap to harass US patrol.

[autumn sorrel]

This is actually why French lost control of the Northern border during the 50-51 campaign, their strongpoints was isolated and got pick off one by one. Any relief column was ambush on the way and sometime annihilated.

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-jumping-kitty-gif-19948851

[autumn sorrel]

And yes, despite the aggressiveness display by US commander to patrol the countryside, they still can’t control the area and even worse, push the previously neutral villagers into die hard NLF supporters.

Now a bit about actual US success, while US “Hearts and Minds” program is debatable, the countryside was not totally in NLF hand.

Saigon while often derisively called as puppet by nowadays, they still held some legitimacy back in the day in some area.

Saigon backed militia actually the force who are the most effective at combating the NLF. They while lack the training, make up for it by local knowledge and provide intel.

US also backed minorities militia in the Central Highland which wasn’t sitting well with Saigon bc those minorities while doesn’t like communist, they also don’t like Saigon gov either.

Those minorities, even from North Vietnamese veteran diary often considered tougher opponents then ARVN regulars troop.

Even after Saigon fall, it take yrs for the PAVN to completely pacify the Central Highland.

[grave ravine]

For the Highlanders, it was an ethnic conflict rather than a political one

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah, that why they are a nuisance to both Saigon and Hanoi during the war.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1702722933339156890

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1942, the Japanese sub I-19 fired one of the most damaging torpedo salvos in the history of submarine warfare. The 6 torpedo spread hit and sank the carrier USS Wasp and the destroyer USS O'Brien while severely damaging the battleship USS North Carolina.

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Twitter · Sep 15, 2023, 4:35 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4ubZF1yVc0

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1702813010002116961

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1944, USS Shangri-La (CV-38) was commissioned. One of the few U.S. Navy ships honoring a fictional location, the name was chosen after FDR slyly told reporters that the Doolittle Raid had been launched from "Shangri-La"—the secret paradise in the novel LOST HORIZON.

Twitter · Sep 15, 2023, 10:33 PM

[wintry moat]

Huh

didn’t know that’s where her name came from

neat

[rapid junco]

We had a small trawler that sunk around here
By U-199
With the same name (sometimes written as Changri-La)

[gentle island]

It's the complete opposite with the P-51 and spitfire

[frozen kestrel]

Yep

[gentle island]

I saw a p-52 a few months back

Nick named val-halla

[manic latch]

@tough quail I'm dying

"US Ford class carrier with MiG-29s taking off being attacked by drones and cruise missiles to the sound of saxxed up Stayin' Alive"

Taiwanese footage of swarm drones and Hsiung Feng III

[tough quail]

i feel like i just gazed into another

[tough quail]

far more dope timeline

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1702856672211804161

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD 1944, U.S. Marines landed on Peleliu during the Mariana and Palau Islands campaign. U.S. forces were expected to secure Peleliu and its airfield within four days but fierce Japanese resistance caused the battle to drag on for over two months before the Americans prevailed.

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Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 1:27 AM

[scenic shell]

So what in Bristol's history does it have to do with her lantern/lighthouse/investigator theme?

I looked her up, and I couldn't make any semblance of her history in her art

[frozen kestrel]

I was wondering that myself

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1703097355564691956

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1958, USS Grayback (SSG-574) became the first and only submarine to launch a Regulus II supersonic cruise missile. The Regulus missile II program was cancelled three months later due to cost as well as the development of the superior Polaris ballistic missile.

Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 5:23 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1703127063861826038

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski)

The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has sent a letter to the Republic of Korea's National Security Bureau expressing its intention to cooperate on the Korean KF-21 fighter jet.
The UAE is said to have announced that it may replace Indonesia's unpaid contribution.
If the UAE's…

Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 7:21 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/USNavy/status/1703033248908026186

U.S. Navy (@USNavy)

Tune in today at 10:00 a.m. CST for the USS Marinette Commissioning. 🍾 🎉

LCS 25 is the 13th Freedom-variant LCS, the 25th in the class. Her name recognizes the contribution of her namesake town of Marinette, Michigan, and its shipbuilders.

Webcast 👉 https://t.co/5C3bXxX3mJ

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Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 1:09 PM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1703168354322657353

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Because he had said that he wanted to ride Emperor Hirohito's white horse after the defeat of Japan, ADM William Halsey mounted a similar horse provided by the 1st Cavalry Division in Tokyo #OTD in 1945. Though scared of horses, Halsey nonchalantly smoked during his brief ride.

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Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 10:05 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1703183623380193685

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

It's #BatmanDay! The Navy once stated that if Batman had a warship, it would be the stealth destroyer USS Zumwalt. However, when the top-secret experimental Sea Shadow was finally unveiled in 1993, some observers thought it was a prop for a Batman film (or Darth Vader's yacht).

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Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 11:06 PM

[eternal veldt]

[frozen kestrel]

Insert Directed by Robert B. Weide theme

[chilly flower]

[manic latch]

Man

Intrepid is an amazing museum

Holy hell

I never knew Essex class got pilot escalators later

[jagged monolith]

I feel like I've seen this before.

I can't quite remember where or when.

[jagged monolith]

https://youtu.be/f4Il7pvdTnA?feature=shared

[quaint pond]

oh, i went to this same museam

got a souvenir from there too

maybe i should post some stuff from my trip one day

[supple surge]

It wasn’t as bad as I was expecting but they left out quite a bit

[fierce sparrow]

https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1703010967192252533

Oryx (@oryxspioenkop)

The AUM-74, a copy of the AK-74 manufactured by Aum Shinrikyo, a Japanese death cult seeking to instigate World War III. Also they intensely hated the Dutch.

https://t.co/khTGQDQrb5

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Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 11:40 AM

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/368244534578118658/1086722679190593758/BurningMurmory.gif

a death cult copying an AK-74...
This is so weird to me.

[autumn sorrel]

Not as weird as you think they might be, after the Union fall, there was a wave of religious uptick in Russian and it is easy for cult to get a foothold, get connection and buy weapon in a post-Soviet Russia

[shrewd pecan]

they weren't purchased from tthe USSR

they were self made

[autumn sorrel]

Didn’t they reproduce it after getting samples rifle purchased from Russia?

[shrewd pecan]

from what I recall

they struggled to smuggle any in

so they ended up just building their own

[autumn sorrel]

I guess ammo is easier to smuggle in then

[frozen kestrel]

Can't wait to see Brandon Herrera do a breakdown on this

[jagged monolith]

I admire the dedication

[thorn trail]

I know Unzen is fake but can someone explain the reasoning behind some of the "specifications" in that magazine we all know her class from

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNf78D3z-AU

https://twitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1702048346972606527

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski)

Brig. Gen. Geoffrey Norman, director of the Next-Generation Combat Vehicle Cross Functional Team, while presenting the possibilities that the service is to take into account when developing the M1E3 Abrams: "...the service will probably replace the tank's AGT1500 gas turbine…

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Twitter · Sep 13, 2023, 7:55 PM

[autumn sorrel]

So, why did Anchorage have torp? I thought the USN design trend more toward secondary gun rather than torp?

[waxen prawn]

Welcome aboard anything in specific you might want a picture of? Make sure to reply so I see it

[autumn sorrel]

5/38 guns

Gun breach and the gun rammer mechanism

[somber knoll]

well we all know that the specs are all made up

The only true thing is that the design required triple 203mm turrets

[autumn sorrel]

Do you see the ramming mechanism?

[dapper parcel]

You can barely see the rammer cam plate and rack guide in the shell closeup photo

[autumn sorrel]

I see

[autumn sorrel]

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1703383637020831966

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1950, ENS Edward Jackson managed to land his F-9F on USS Philippine Sea despite being blinded when his plane was hit during an attack on an airfield in Pyongyang. His wingman coached him back to the carrier where an LSO radioed instructions that led to a safe landing.

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Twitter · Sep 17, 2023, 12:21 PM

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https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1703484618941358423

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1939, HMS Courageous was torpedoed and sunk by U-29. Courageous was the first Royal Navy warship sunk by enemy forces during WWII and the world's first aircraft carrier lost in combat.

Twitter · Sep 17, 2023, 7:02 PM

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Breaking Aviation News & Videos (@aviationbrk)

F-35 Lightning has crashed in North Charleston, South Carolina. More details to follow.

Twitter · Sep 17, 2023, 8:16 PM

[spring briar]

Bruh

Hope pilot is ok

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Been a while from last f35 crash

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He is

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586216580463984650/1153066584391286784/image0.jpg

[spring briar]

[uncut skiff]

So fellas, what project is unzen based off?

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P sure the gun and turret were real designs, like zao in wows, but i dont know about everything else

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Let's say uhh

Proposal

Type A 1941 heavy cruiser

It had way too many ambitions to fit it into weight limits it desired

[naive rampart]

Specifically a variant of the Circle 5 and 6 program that was invented by a Japanese magazine in like the 70s

Same idea WOWS got Zao from

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No

B-65 is big one

Azuma one

[naive rampart]

Huh, I thought they were the same thing, my mistake

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Type A 1941 was

It must be able to take punishment from 203mm guns, the deck being capable of eating 500 lb bombs, can run at 35 kt, and have twelve 203mms."

That magazine cruiser is just a possible look into this requirement

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B65 is azuma

Lmao

[dapper parcel]

It was just a board requirement. I don't think it actually went past "scribbling some numbers" phase

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No way in hell its anything close to unzen

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But design could be anything as long as you still have these

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Ob

Oh

[naive rampart]

But it was part of the he Circle 5 and 6 program yes?

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So its fake and postwar

😭

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But the picture I posted is of Unzen

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Have 12 203mm
Have enough armor against 203mm (likely 150mm-180mm belt? "That's Stalingrad level)

35 knot speed

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No and yes

There is no design

This is what magazine thinks it might look like

Zao is what WG things it might looked like

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The magazine did a p good job of design tbh

With hindsight ofc

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Manjuu is certainly thinking that way

Since she has triple 203mms

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Wows zao is weird

Dosent look like something that the japanese would make

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My belief is she would have that atago layout for 203mm guns not triples

[naive rampart]

Iirc the magazine is the only “evidence” that this design ever existed. Any actual plans would have been destroyed near end the war, right?

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Unknown

[uncut skiff]

Probably tbh

Real sad how so much documentation of the ijn was destroyed

We will never know

Ijn bros its so over

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It's IJN

They get UR every year

They got the first paper UR with this way in game

Now things like Montana is possible

[naive rampart]

Either way, it’s really disheartening how Manjuu will make ships with zero real history important to the story (Unzen) and make ships that have some really cool history background filler (Hatsuzuki). Even though their existence and power is supposed to be determined by their histories

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First paper ur?

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Yup

Never laid down

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Who

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...

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I agree

Oh unzen

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Unzen

The ship we are speaking about

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I thought you meant previously

Its really disappointing imo

I thought the design was at least real

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Non PR ships were used to be real one way or another
Tho we're still not sure wtf Bis2 was

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Its A-150 situation. But at least we know A-150 used to have blueprints

It's unlikely Cruiser A ever had one

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They couldve just retroed bismarck

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Pr ships are from wows, so as more copium/hopium wows designs are added, the more likely they get added to al

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Non-PR ships

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Mb

Im illiterate

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y tho

i mean the triples are iffy but look at ibuki

i dont think they'd go back to atago

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Japan figuring they can put 3 203s in ine turret

😳

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There's a reason why Unzen and Zao are nicknamed Super Ibuki tho

[somber knoll]

btw, horse. This is more of a Kriegskopium than anything, but do you think the Germans would bypass the Hipster's layout altogether should they manage to make a triple 203 turret work beforehand?

[junior trench]

The Germans are doctrinally wedded to twins

It's not just a design thing

For the same reason they duplicated gun director functions to absolutely paranoid degrees

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Tho Ibuki also use twins still

[tough quail]

yes, but they moved on from the turret layout

[grave ravine]

The design is considered problematic for a few reasons, it both doesn't fit with Japanese design practices, but it's also unclear if it was technically possible to build

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what are the problems

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Poor Desuland

[grave ravine]

#history message

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Part of why they were really wedded to twins was the whole multiple hoists per gun thing, which made their twin turrets unreasonably large

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so is this the more 'correct' potential designs?

what is this hiraga's principles

[junior trench]

Ish

The doctrine precedes the design

So the hoist fuckery gets backfit into trying to explain something caused by doctrine

[somber knoll]

btw, Hipster's and Bisko's loading mechanisms are horizontal-ish I believe?

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whats the doctrine that makes the germans unable to use triple 203s?

[junior trench]

An obsession with redundancy and in theory minimizing the damage any one single hit can do.

[somber knoll]

very German

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obession with redundancy yet not giving biscuit enough reserve buouyancy

curious

😔

[junior trench]

That's not exactly unique to the Germans

It's more that RN buoyancy calcs were obsessive

And USN buoyancy calcs were psychotic

Also considering the state of Bismarck at the point where the holes being poked in her overcame the available buoyancy

It's kind of academic at best

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuzuru_Hiraga

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oo

so what are his principles