Ranger was more based on Langley than anything
#history
desert agate
when you look at a navy with the requirements for long ranged, sustained naval aviation but without the resources to operate a large number of full sized fleet carriers (so basically every navy except the USN), the CVL or Light Fleet Carrier fits a really solid role in that regard
eternal veldt
Therefore, flush structure was what was originally proposed
The island was then tacked on
desert agate
RAN knew it couldn't afford an Essex or 2, but it also knew it needed naval aviation capability, hence HMA Ships Sydney and Melbourne
desert agate
remember what they (accountants and treasurers) took from you
somber knoll
Wasp should just wait until the treaties wear off
grave ravine
when you look at a navy with the requirements for long ranged, sustained naval a...
Yeah if you can only afford CVLs that's what you get, and in the post WW2 environment only the US really had the economic wherewithal and need for CVs, but presuming you were trying to build a world class navy, you went for full size CVs
eternal veldt
That's called Essex
somber knoll
eternal veldt
And given the dire situation of US carriers in the early war, Wasp, although still destroyed, was necessary
desert agate
Yeah if you can only afford CVLs that's what you get, and in the post WW2 enviro...
naturally, but any fixed wing naval aviation capability is better than no fixed wing naval aviation capability
grave ravine
Oh yeah for certain
somber knoll
btw, spon, when did the RAN acquire Sydney?
desert agate
1948
autumn sorrel
Yeah if you can only afford CVLs that's what you get, and in the post WW2 enviro...
tbf, even with big navy, there are case that deploy a full fleet carrier is overkill and expensive, better have a smaller carrier to do the job, hence now we get Amphibious Assault ship, which basically a CVL.
somber knoll
shoot, I thought it was pre=war
grave ravine
Wasp should just wait until the treaties wear off
AFAIK Wasp was designed before it became obvious the treaty system would collapse
desert agate
discussion over purchasing her began in mid 45 but manpower concerns due to the ongoing war with Japan delayed her purchase
subtle prawn
Speaking of the RAN, do you know what aircraft they would have used on their Invincible-class had the deal gone through and the Falklands War never happened?
eternal veldt
Fleet carriers are fucking expensive
grave ravine
tbf, even with big navy, there are case that deploy a full fleet carrier is over...
No, the Amphibious Assault ship is not at all akin to a WW2 CVL in role, it is not supposed to conduct fleet actions at all
eternal veldt
Not to mention manpower intensive
desert agate
plan was Sea Harriers afaik
im not aware of the A-4s being able to operate from a ski jump and the S-2s definitely couldnt
and 80s RAN didnt have the funding to refit her to equip cats and traps
somber knoll
No, the Amphibious Assault ship is not at all akin to a WW2 CVL in role, it is n...
you probably meant it was supposed to be the Marines' naval IFV?
desert agate
as far as im aware the planes were going to come with the ship and were included in the purchase deal
grave ravine
The Amphibious Assault ship is a postwar (well pioneered by Japan during WW2) concept without a true analogue in WW2 (closest would be escort carriers that were attached to landing fleets)
manic latch
It's like supercarrier term
grave ravine
~~you probably meant it was supposed to be the Marines' naval IFV~~?
Kinda lol
manic latch
If you call supercarrier by weight then Shinano is
If you call supercarrier by plane anmount then Midway is
grave ravine
IMO super carrier is kind of a silly term
desert agate
looking at wikipedia sources for the harriers and i get directed to a page for... cheap london escorts?
manic latch
looking at wikipedia sources for the harriers and i get directed to a page for.....
Where
grave ravine
But it basically just means a large fleet carrier today
eternal veldt
Supercarriers are more Forrestals, I believe
manic latch
If you call Forrest super because of weight, then QE is super too
eternal veldt
Its then that the new armour layout was used and remained classified to my memory
Im more thinking features such as an angled flight deck as built
grave ravine
If you call Forrest super because of weight, then QE is super too
Its not about hard stats, super carrier is generally used to refer to ships that overmatch their competitors
But again its a silly term that is not used rigorously
eternal veldt
Its about as much as "dreadnought" if you ask me
Personally, just use the catchall term "capital ship" or carrier will do fine
desert agate
Speaking of the RAN, do you know what aircraft they would have used on their Inv...
right so after a quick look
Invincible in RAN service was only planned to operate Sea King and Wessex helicopters, with the decision to purchase fixed wing aircraft not to be made until 1983
Brits wanted to provide the Harriers at discount along with the carrier though
manic latch
Consequences
alpine onyx
Its about as much as "dreadnought" if you ask me
Did you mean a Ship of the Line?
eternal veldt
Yes, Linienschiff
remote monolith
Its about as much as "dreadnought" if you ask me
mfw dreadnought is sometimes unironically used in fiction to note a type of battleship that's far bigger than any other classes when the original dreadnought was smaller and less well armed than the actual battleships that comes after her
admittedly the name IS cool though
so understandable
eternal veldt
Dreadnought at her age was noted mostly for the all-big gun and oft cited "making all BBs obsolete overnight"
So, giving it to a large ship that overshadows the others technically make sense
remote monolith
true, in that sense it is correct
eternal veldt
And really, can't go wrong with RN names
remote monolith
it's just funny because the next generation of ships were called super-dreadnoughts at times
eternal veldt
it's just funny because the next generation of ships were called super-dreadnoug...
Well, its kinda that too
The arms race of dreadnoughts led to Britain to start on the 13.5" guns
Thus you have the Orions, first superdreadnoughts
QE and Bayern kinda just turned the heat up even higher with 15" guns
remote monolith
the dreadnought lineage directly leads to battlecruiser becoming a thing right?
eternal veldt
I think its more Dreadnought and armoured cruiser
Because Invincible as completed is designated as an armoured cruiser
Battlecruiser is retroactively applied
haughty osprey
The Dreadnought resulted in everybody agreeing that an all-big gun armament was the optimal method of designing a battleship for the line
Battlecruisers depend on whose doctrine we're talking about
remote monolith
just curious that sometimes fictional shows make Battlecruiser as a smaller class than a Dreadnoughts and Battleships and battleships when irl we had Hood as the largest ship in the world for some time
eternal veldt
Germans wanted armour, Brits wanted firepower
One of the holy trinity has to go
And it isnt speed
haughty osprey
just curious that sometimes fictional shows make Battlecruiser as a smaller clas...
Any scifi ship classification should immediately be dismissed as writers trying to make things sound cool without exploring the actual history behind designations and how they came to be
eternal veldt
And truth be told, I dont think space is that clear cut too
haughty osprey
I have never seen a single mainstream sci-fi franchise that made a classification system that seemed firmly grounded in real examples of how things were done
remote monolith
Any scifi ship classification should immediately be dismissed as writers trying ...
oh I'm aware, that's what makes it funny for me
eternal veldt
Galactica is one of those sensible space "carrier" designs, and Im sure everybody here agrees that Galactica has stupidly strong firepower
haughty osprey
Like, it's okay in pure scifi because nobody gives a shit
remote monolith
they tend to simply go for rule of cool after all
haughty osprey
But if you're doing something like worldbuilding a semi-realistic modern-esque navy
remote monolith
Galactica is one of those sensible space "carrier" designs, and Im sure everybod...
Galactica is classified as a new type of ship iirc, the Battlestar
eternal veldt
Yea, but that term doesnt apply universally to all scifi
haughty osprey
"Every time you press this button, some 14-year old's ocean-going battlecarrier design is ripped apart"
Presses it constantly
haughty osprey
Scifi battle carriers are fine. Putting a flight deck on a not-Yamato is ineffective
There is an actual example called the Imperial Japanese Navy we can look to for "How to not fucking do things"
eternal veldt
Wrong, get fucked
Sci fi will submit to the rule of cool
And now thanks for tempting me to think about what if Gibbs and Cox's hybrid made it to space
haughty osprey
Scifi BCVs are fine
eternal veldt
As for hybrids themselves ij real life, it's just a simple matter of not having enough tonnage to do both things at once
eternal veldt
Have you fucking watched 2205 yet you weeb
desert agate
rewatching 2202 rn
eternal veldt
As for hybrids themselves ij real life, it's just a simple matter of not having ...
And when said tonnage is achieved, you can simply build a ship that is superior at that specific role
Add that on top of ridiculous costs and the hybrid basically just dies in the plan
The Japanese Ise is really a desperate "we need more plane carrying boats" measure
solid mango
Scifi mfs abt to have the largest ships ever built only to give it 10 weak ass laser guns
eternal veldt
The Ises and Fusous are otherwise complete dogshit on frontline duty
desert agate
dont talk shit about SBY smh
eternal veldt
And conveniently enough, Hyuuga blew up her Turret #5
desert agate
godly ship
eternal veldt
Stupid amount of plot armour on Yamato, tbf
solid mango
Atleast the UNCF doesnt just bloat their ship size 
desert agate
plot armour is my favourite armour
solid mango
Stupid amount of plot armour on Yamato, tbf
Tru tho
desert agate
ship go boom
solid mango
I admit
eternal veldt
And 2202 proves just how dangerous tall bridges are
desert agate
true
solid mango
No, I will kontinue 2 maek fun of 3rd bridge
eternal veldt
Nice bridge, would be a shame if a kamikaze craft took out your entire bridge crew in a single strike
thorn trail
which ships had stupidly tall superstructures for their size
desert agate
BSG has better ship design from a practical standpoint but SBY looks cooler
eternal veldt
Nice bridge, would be a shame if a kamikaze craft took out your entire bridge cr...
Now in which other galaxy Ive heard that before...
desert agate
love BSG tho
eternal veldt
Yamato actually did some good scientific research, as ludicrous as 2202 goes
solid mango
which ships had stupidly tall superstructures for their size
Why still ask, you already know 
eternal veldt
And 2205 does it even better
desert agate
all of this has happened before and all of this will happen again
eternal veldt
2199 is still the goat
thorn trail
Why still ask, you already know <:AtagoAra:588629688407162900>
the takao class?
solid mango
eternal veldt
Takao has the excuse of
thorn trail
Since the only one I know with stupidly tall superstructures for their size are the Fuso's
eternal veldt
The entire trunking funnel hidden inside
desert agate
iowas are taller lmfao
thorn trail
are there any other ship with stupidly tall superstructures?
solid mango
Since the only one I know with stupidly tall superstructures for their size are ...
Dats exactly what im talking abt
solid mango
~~iowas are taller lmfao~~
Not for their overall size they arent
eternal veldt
Fuso just looks stupidly tall because there is no supporting structure around it
solid mango
Okay fine maybe
eternal veldt
So the pagoda sticks out harder like a sore thumb
thorn trail
So the pagoda sticks out harder like a sore thumb
was there any other ship that had the pagoda stick out very much?
or only on the Fuso's?
eternal veldt
My guy, fuso earned that "illegal construction" nickname for a reason
Main issue is that right after the pagoda is a turret
So you cant build any bulkheads around it
Unless you snort IJN copium and gut the ship entirely and cram 41cm guns on it
solid mango
I still cannot with the fact that ive never known some HMS ships had grey painted drafts in some point of their carreer 
thorn trail
cram 41cm guns?
wdym
where there actually plans to refit the Yamashiros with Nagato guns
eternal veldt
solid mango
What in the fuck
somber knoll
yus
solid mango
Im gonna be
somber knoll
the copium is stronk
solid mango
Yoinking that
eternal veldt
I still cannot with the fact that ive never known some HMS ships had grey painte...
Shoot this author, because the painting is entirely wrong
thorn trail
ok what were they smoking with this
lmfao
why 2 triple and 2 twins
and the triple are the rearmost turrets while the front turrets are double
this is super
wack
solid mango
Shoot this author, because the painting is entirely wrong
Wait, but did they ever actually get grey painted drafts?
eternal veldt
eternal veldt
Contrary to popular belief, red is not the "default" anti-corrosion paint for the royal navy
Here is the list Ive compiled
Therefore, so far, ships at one point had various shades of antifouling grey, either Peacock or Buchan, Morvian, Macarthur's, Australian Masons, and other brands, include:
-Hood
-King George V
-Prince of Wales
-Duke of York
-Anson
-Ark Royal
-Hobart
-Sydney
-Perth
-Ark Royal
-Ajax
-Formidable
solid mango
eternal veldt
Honorable mention: York - Black antifouling
thorn trail
Weight limits
also anywhere I can read regarding this design
thorn trail
**well that is SOME results**
wait what is this
lmao
honestly
looks like my ships in UAD when I'm trying to cram 12 guns in the same hull type
subtle sandal
**well that is SOME results**
Fucking beautiful
dapper parcel
**well that is SOME results**
mfs got furutaka'd
what do you do to an inherently wet fo'c'sle? add one turret to it
subtle prawn
autumn sorrel
https://twitter.com/DocStrangelove2/status/1673345874020421633
@tribal mortar take a look at this one
desert agate
just chillin on the wing of an F-18 casting a line
dapper parcel
Meh, to be fair expired or not carbon fiber is still poor choice for an external pressure vessel
spring briar
tough quail
me with the lads
spring briar
With out ludicrous rifles
manic latch
me with the lads
spring briar
Too modern
manic latch
Too modern
tough quail
there we go
spring briar
Hell yeah
tribal mortar
<@456226577798135808> take a look at this one
Funny enough not my first time seeing one 
rapid junco
@ivory ridge
ivory ridge
rapid junco
The friend of one of my friends went to the Conde de Linhares Museum
Which have a CV35 on the Portfolio
And also a FT-17
The machine gun equipped version
manic latch
H-6 armed with four YJ-12.
grave ravine
<@194852183097737218>
subtle prawn
manic latch
Ronald Reagan's wife Nancy Reagan and Soviet schoolchildren of Moscow School No. 29, 1988
thorny patio
So heres an idea that y'all can call me stupid for:
If the RMS britanic was modified to be a hospital ship, thereby making it part of the British navy... Kinda...
And the Olympic got the same treatment...
And ships like Kashino exist in the game...
Shipgirl Titanic
XD
manic latch
So heres an idea that y'all can call me stupid for:
If the RMS britanic was mod...
Titanic CV conversion
thorny patio
Titanic CV conversion
If im remembering shit correctly, isn't the Titanic close in size to a Yorktown CV?
manic latch
If im remembering shit correctly, isn't the Titanic close in size to a Yorktown ...
Iowa
thorny patio
SERIOUSLY WOAH
eternal veldt
Cruise ships are stupidly big
Which is why you do not stray near one
Otherwise you get flattened like Curacoa
manic latch
Cruise ships are stupidly big
They are
eternal veldt
Their fast speed also makes it ideal for CV conversion
Or if you are as mega brained as japan, build a cruise ship with the intention and plans to convert them into a carrier in the first place
manic latch
We have a new record breaker too
have a gross tonnage of 250,800, making her the largest cruise ship in the world by gross tonnage
thorny patio
I don't know why, ships like the Titanic look more majestic than the newer cruise ships
maiden citrus
Cruise ships are stupidly big
can confirm, been on a few
eternal veldt
Ive been on the Superstar Leo before they sold it off to Norway
Was already a relatively small one, I think
manic latch
They always felt top heavy
maiden citrus
yeah one I was on was the smallest one in service at one point and it was gigantic
71,000 tons
manic latch
We have a new record breaker too
She will have 20 decks with 7 swimming pools and 6 water slides. The company claims to have the tallest waterfall, the tallest water slide, the largest waterpark, and the first suspended infinity pool of any ship.
thorny patio
Fancy
eternal veldt
Imagine just outfitting them with ALL the AA
Except it doesnt work like that
When you make that much AA, you need places for ammo lockers, wiring for directors, and most importantly, crew space
Not much good if a couple stray bullets cook your entire ammo locker off and kills 20+ men
manic latch
eternal veldt
And assuming you are doing a conversion of an existing ship, you also need to strip the ship down entirely and basically gut everything
Because the paint is most likely not flameproof, and those lavish toto toilets are not going to be useful
thorny patio
I mean, I'd have to gut it to convert to a CV anyway
eternal veldt
So you gut it for a significantly better purpose
A floating airfield that can project power
Or a fast ship that can transport truck loads of men and their required equipment
thorny patio
You might be able to save most of the 3rd class infrastructure... Maybe?
eternal veldt
Would be a damn fucking shame if someone didnt follow the fire safety regulations and burnt down one of the most famous cruise ships in New Y- oh wait
No, you'd basically need to take everything off
To the point that even the paint has to be redone according to navy standards
Installation of fire suppression facilities significantly in excess of civilian standards
thorny patio
Imagine if the UK actually did this galaxy brain thing with the Olympic and britanic
Instead of using them as dinky troop ships
eternal veldt
Except it takes time
And you're better off building proper carriers with their required defences
Nor can you do it during Peace time because of the WNT/LNTs
Troopships are a significantly better use and requires significantly less time
thorny patio
Yeah but could you imagine? Having some of the first CVs in history being the 2 sister ships to the most famous ship in history?
eternal veldt
Would you really call Titanic the most famous 
Also, thats kinda feeding the curse even harder
The tomfoolery of losing Olympic to a single torpedo
Lusitania 2.0
thorny patio
She did survive irl
eternal veldt
Brittanic didnt
So really its her left, and IIRC there's something about her in shitty material condition
And imo, troopship alone is also incredibly based
A single ship ferrying 15k troops to a theatre
thorny patio
Maybe keep her as a troop ship, but add a seaplane catapult?
eternal veldt
In one single, turbo breakneck speed voyage
My question is why do it
Seaplanes are not going to do a damn against proper air attacks
And if you rig a plane aboard like a CAM ship, the pilot has to ditch
And the ship wont be able to save the pilot either, because she has to continue her high speed to avoid becoming submarine food
That said, if you entertain the idea of a cruise ship becoming a CV
thorny patio
Yah know i keep forgetting how fast these things are every time i look at how massive they are
thorny patio
Like how do they maintain such high speeds for their weight?
dapper parcel
Cruise ships are stupidly big
Modern cruise ships are more like a barge. Their draft are rather shallow compared to their size
eternal veldt
High power machinery
real osprey
<:looking:1074608079024422943>
Therapist: HMS Titanic isn't real, it can't hurt you
HMS Titanic:
dapper parcel
That also causes funny metacentric height and righting moment
eternal veldt
Queen Mary's machinery hits 200,000 shP
dapper parcel
I'd be a bit wary sailing them on non-friendly sea
eternal veldt
Also, long and slender hulls also help with speed
Id be concerned with converting a modern cruise ship, I'm more thinking the older ones
dapper parcel
They rely a bit more on geometry for stability than good old displacement
This also causes their rolling to be snappy
thorny patio
Talking about their speed... How would they fair as blockade runners?
dapper parcel
Not something you want on a warship, or any workships for that matter
Take their active stabilization away and it'll get lively real fast
eternal veldt
They're high speed enough, but not enough to deter a determined chaser imo
thorny patio
What's their average speed again?
dapper parcel
Queen Mary's machinery hits 200,000 shP
QM is a liner, not a cruise ship tho
eternal veldt
Yea, fair enough on QM
real osprey
We have a new record breaker too
Are you serious that mammoth is already going commissioning?!
Royal Carribbean really a "biggest cruise ship" title hog
eternal veldt
What's their average speed again?
30 if I recall
thorny patio
30 if I recall
DAMN THEY FAST
dapper parcel
It's still nowhere near merchant ships tho
eternal veldt
I think the caveat is that they also generally just kill your fuel going at those speeds
It certainly isnt economical to say the least
thorny patio
Given that historically, running these ships' engines past their limit can irreparably damage them in the long run
Looks at the Carpathia solemnly
eternal veldt
Machinery gets damaged in the long run anyway
dapper parcel
That apply for any ships
eternal veldt
Rodney's machinery is in fucking shambles by the time of Hunt for the Bismarck
It was her black gang working in insanity conditions and barely holding the shit together that she gets up to her designed 23 knots
Or you have Hood
thorny patio
Yes but if your biggest advantage is speed, and you push the ship so damn hard you loose that edge to the point you become submarine food, it's a crying shame
eternal veldt
Stripping her turbine while chasing Strasbourg
🤡
Hence why troopships is the best bet
Get from point A to point B
Actual warships require prolonged stay at sea
thorny patio
Whenever i read about how the Carpathias captain pushed his engine crew to get the ship to go faster than it was rated, all for the sake of saving lives,
Only for said actions to haunt the ship later
Makes me sad
dapper parcel
There's also marked difference in propulsion design between warships and merchant ships
eternal veldt
Last thing I can also think of is that after conversion, you need time to work the ship up
Otherwise you will have a Shinano ™️ moment
dapper parcel
Warships are actually designed with light duty in mind, where machinery are rated for prolonged low load and brief full load
While merchant ships are designed with heavier duty with machinery rated for continuous power all the time
This causes what looks like a paradox to most casual observers
thorny patio
Look at this sad lad
dapper parcel
Warships get much more power for the same machinery than their merchant counterparts due to the intended rating, not that they use special tuning or whatnot
On the other hand, that means warship have reserve headroom for a dash, while merchant ships does not (unless it was built with one, which is almost unheard of in this day)
That explains why warships can be overloaded for a short time and still mostly fine, while merchant ships engines are more likely to outright grenade itself when overloaded
thorny patio
Different topic,
How different was the NC class BB to the Iowa?
manic latch
Lighter, inferior guns, smaller, has armor against 356mm AP
While Iowa had for 406mm AP
NC is also slower
eternal veldt
not necessarily "inferior" guns
spring briar
Stripping her turbine while chasing Strasbourg
eternal veldt
the 16"/50 Mark 7 was a better belt puncher, but the 16"/45 was a better deck puncher
NC also has the problem of her 5"/38s being wet from being on the weather deck, hence why they were placed on the shelter deck from SoDak onwards
dapper parcel
Iowa was basically NC arrangement with SD construction, engineering-wise
spring briar
I prefer the Mk.6
Even if it is less universal than the Mk.7
eternal veldt
unitl Montana, for whatever reason
spring briar
Because the SHS actually makes sense for the Mk.6
dapper parcel
Interestingly we might never know how much faster Iowa were compared to their predecessor due to them never actually run a trial
thorny patio
Also the US seems to have quite a few museum BBs, not just the Iowas
Lol, a little mini fleet
eternal veldt
quite a few of the ships were cannibalized to bring back the Iowas into service ~1980
thorny patio
Massachusetts?
eternal veldt
also Alabama, I believe.
thorny patio
They should still be in their wartime config for the most part still
eternal veldt
It's more that the Iowas were stripped of most of their useful components upon going into mothball.
thorny patio
Tho on a related note i found no mention of them in the aforementioned "readiness" clause passed by Congress.
Only the Iowas as far as i know are actually mandated... And like others have already stated, even they have no chance of reactivation
So how much of their wartime components the Sodaks and NC still have... I couldn't say
It still baffles me we have such a clause
dapper parcel
Let them rest lol, they're properly civilian now. Pretty sure NDAA isn't even binding anymore
Nor that it was intended to bind
thorny patio
I mean at this point, there's not much use for them.
As much as i love BBs, they can't possibly keep up with today's tech.
Also if any museum ship were to be reactivated, it'd be one of the many CVs XD
I kid of course
Intrepid
The nuke Enty
Midway
Yorktown
Old af but technically have more use than the BBs in today's navy
subtle prawn
CVN-65 is going to scrapped
thorny patio
Awwww sad
We can't seem to hold on to any of the enterprises as a museum ship
Silver lining is we have a new one being built
desert agate
Problem with nuclear museum ships is you need to remove the reactors which is ridiculously expensive
Which is why most if not all nuclear museum ships are submarines
dapper parcel
E's reactors were already considered liability by USN even long before her retirement, no way the hull survive decom
dapper parcel
Which is why most if not all nuclear museum ships are submarines
SSNs are spared from certain destructive retirement because if you cut off the entire reactor compartment and splice back what's left it won't be noticeable
thorny patio
Kinda weird how we had a perfectly non-nuke enterprise... CV-6...
and yet the USN SCRAPPED HER
subtle prawn
Some attempts were made, but all failed
thorny patio
She deserved better
subtle prawn
Some of the crew were glad that she was scrapped
thorny patio
Oh?
dapper parcel
Some of the crew were glad that she was scrapped
To be fair it was a different time when the question was asked
Back then preservation effort was much less rigorous, future outlook was much less certain, and museums were at best doing weird shit to attract visitors
thorny patio
Most of our museum fleet nowadays is pretty nicely maintained
Oh shit, hold up, the laffey that's a museum ship isn't the Benson that's in-game.
I thought that was a little weird because i swore i read about how Laffey basically suicided... Then i just now read that there's ANOTHER Laffey (DD-724), that's a museum ship
dapper parcel
Most of our museum fleet nowadays is pretty nicely maintained
Not in 70s-80s
thorny patio
Oof
strong plank
We can't seem to hold on to any of the enterprises as a museum ship
There’s no way to remove the reactors while keeping the ship intact
The hull has to be cut apart to remove them
desert agate
id note that Mikasa spent a solid period of time looking like this, which does not provide a high bar for the preservation of museum ships post-WW2
thorny patio
Jesus Christ poor girl
strong plank
I forget which, but on the subject of museum ships
There used to be a predread kept around as a museum
was scrapped during the war for metal
desert agate
avrora isnt a pre-dread battleship, shes a protected cruiser
and afaik not the last of her kind
strong plank
Barry was scrapped
thorny patio
Barry?
strong plank
Kitty Hawk wasn’t saved
USS Barry
A Forrest Sherman that was saved as a museum in DC for a while
desert agate
the Italians have a protected cruiser encased in concrete
in fact the Italian one is aolder than avrora
thorny patio
A Forrest Sherman that was saved as a museum in DC for a while
Oh yeah, her. She was deemed to expensive and then a bridge basically trapped her in the harbor
strong plank
Mfw the last update from the Tarawa historical society was in 2015
She and Peleliu are still in reserve
desert agate
yes
dapper parcel
id note that Mikasa spent a solid period of time looking like this, which does n...
It's a bit better after 90s, yet Texas, Olympia and The Sullivans still happen
strong plank
Btw hit
Apparently the aviation museum here has an Aussie Aardvark
Will take pics when I go
thorn trail
was scrapped during the war for metal
Ohio?
Oh wait no it wasn't Ohio
I remember only it was a west coast museum ship
ah Oregon
neon oyster
id note that Mikasa spent a solid period of time looking like this, which does n...
Interesting that Nimitz was the one who wanted it preserved. And she was keep like this mainly cause the Washington treaty wanted her scrapped
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
To be fair it was a different time when the question was asked
Back then preserv...
Also, what kind of weird stuff are we talking here?
grave ravine
Intrepid
The nuke Enty
Midway
Yorktown
Old af but technically have more use th...
Unlike the Essexes, Midway can operate legacy hornet, and probably also super hornet. Midway actually participated in ODS
subtle prawn
manic latch
Ah the beautiful Arktur
autumn sorrel
Ah the beautiful Arktur
"2037", a bit optimistic don't you think
spring briar
seems Ian was slightly offended when writing that
tough quail
yeah a teeny bit
spring briar
tough quail
he kinda swung it around by then just talking about how dope lebels are
and another guy there had a mas 49/56
manic latch
"2037", a bit optimistic don't you think
If it was a surface ship
Then I would say yes
But submarines?
Well they do get more attention and love
spring briar
and another guy there had a mas 49/56
everyone in the mid-late cold war: wtf do we do throws .280 and 7.62x51 into the air
France: mas 49/56
shrewd pecan
spring briar
tough quail
i still really wanna get an original mas 49
because im huge and lightening guns is for babies
deep apex
Otherwise you get flattened like Curacoa
Curacoa was rammed by Queen Mary
Which was over 1,000 feet long, displaced over 80,000 tons, and travelled at close to or at 30 knots
She basically takes titanic and does the Sasuke hand against wall meme
subtle prawn
rapid junco
I remember when Atlântico returned from ASPIRANTEX
And it was also kinda of rusty
And people like
"Look, The Navy only have rusty crap things"
cinder escarp
Plane that could have saved curtiss from being nothing
shrewd pecan
thorny patio
Were the Russians drunk on vodka that day?
HOW DO YOU EVEN GET TO THE CONCLUSION...
"Hey, what up with those boats over there?"
"it's the Japanese! Open fire!"
"But... How would they be all the way over here?"
"JUST OPEN FIRE сука!"
eternal veldt
subtle prawn
Silver, remind me, besides the torpedo launchers being on Zaō's aft, what were the other questionable design choices that were copied straight from the magazine?
thorn trail
who's guns are these?
strong plank
Likely American going off the turret shape
One of the Pennsylvanias?
Wait no duh the Pennsylvanias didn’t have turrets shaped like that
Either Tennessee or California is my guess
eternal veldt
Tennessee
thorny patio
What's with the striations near the base of the barrel?
eternal veldt
Silver, remind me, besides the torpedo launchers being on Zaō's aft, what were t...
Firing angles of IJN cruisers are typically excellent, Zao's are not.
IJN shelter deck typically extends all the way to the deck edge, but Zao doesn't do this, and instead uses Type 98 turrets - something in very short supply
This is something that looks significantly better
eternal veldt
What's with the striations near the base of the barrel?
Thats the structure holding up the turret roof. Heavy stuff.
autumn sorrel
HOW DO YOU EVEN GET TO THE CONCLUSION...
"Hey, what up with those boats over t...
Untrained crew with a very paranoid command, doesn't matter if they see it or not, once a cannon fire, everyone else open fire, target? doesn't matter, just shoot at something.
thorny patio
So paranoid they thought the Japanese were thousands of miles away from their home waters?
alpine onyx
Thats the structure holding up the turret roof. Heavy stuff.
And if you don't watch out, the turret roof might fly off
looks at Sheffield
autumn sorrel
So paranoid they thought the Japanese were thousands of miles away from their ho...
A conscript from some farm in the suburb of Moscow can't tell shit about how far till the Pacific
thorny patio
I mean fair but the person commanding the ship had to have had a working knowledge of DISTANCE
autumn sorrel
I mean fair but the person commanding the ship had to have had a working knowled...
The captain of the ship maybe but the captain of the gun crew is dubious
thorny patio
All of that... All those FUCK ups... Just to loose at Tsushima
Fuck I probably misspelled that
Imagine sailing that far just to loose
autumn sorrel
They had a chance, once the Pacific squadron fail to defeat IJN and break out of Arthur, sending the 2nd squadron is just a purely politic decision
desert agate
Operation Navy Help Darwin remains the largest peacetime operation the RAN has ever conducted, with 13 ships, 11 aircraft and over 3'000 personnel working for a month to rebuild the city of Darwin which had been flattened by tropical Cyclone Tracy on Christmas day 1974, killing 71 people including 2 sailors aboard the patrol boat HMAS Arrow, and leaving only 408 buildings in the city standing, out of over 10'000
it was the third and so far final time Darwin has been rebuilt in its history
desert agate
eternal veldt
hazy rover
eternal veldt
solid mango
mark 16s 
manic latch
So paranoid they thought the Japanese were thousands of miles away from their ho...
It's really hard to see things from far
subtle prawn
ivory ridge
ivory ridge
strong plank
lol what
spring briar
Tf is going on
ivory ridge
solid mango
Wats da difference between the Single Knuckle and Double Knuckle 5" / 38 guns? 
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This was a CIA project that was commenced in the 1960s to spy on Russia. They chose a cat for the job, but what they didn’t put into consideration is the fact that cats are hard to train. The cat’s job was to eavesdrop on two men in a park outside the Soviet embassy in Washington, D.C.
The cat was wired up by a veterinary surgeon who implanted a microphone into the ear canal, a small radio transmitter at the base of the skull, and a battery buried in the flesh. It was a complex project that took five years to complete and consumed a whopping $20 million.
The project was closed in 1967 because the cat couldn’t obey directives. They initially believed they could train the cat but they were wrong
subtle prawn
thorn trail
Ok just curious but what was the reason why Admiral Pound was so insistent in the convoy to scatter in the PQ 17 debacle?
Even after intelligence suggests that Tirpitz was not sortieing
Since from what I can gather it seems like Tirpitz was the main reason PQ17 was forced to scatter
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
During the Second World War, Normandie was seized by U.S. authorities at New York and renamed USS Lafayette. In 1942, while being converted to a troopship, the liner caught fire and capsized onto her port side and came to rest, half submerged, on the bottom of the Hudson River at Pier 88 (the site of the current New York Passenger Ship Terminal). Although salvaged at great expense, restoration was deemed too costly and she was scrapped in October 1946.
subtle prawn
chilly osprey
La Fayette? Excellent
spring briar
eternal veldt
@alpine onyx remind me where you got the information about Burns delth charging the survivors of a sub chaser?
eternal veldt
Wats da difference between the Single Knuckle and Double Knuckle 5" / 38 guns? <...
"Double-knuckle" mounts were placed in locations where additional turret roof reinforcement was required as protection from the blast of guns firing overhead. Fletcher class destroyers, when built, carried 2 of these mounts, both located on the main deck, one extreme forward and one extreme aft, known as Mounts 51 and 55.
"Single-knuckle" mounts were positioned in superfiring positions were no roof reinforcement was needed. Fletcher class destroyers, when built, carried 3 of these mounts, all located on top of deckhouses, one forward and two aft, known as Mounts 52, 53 and 54.
Also, speaking of Normandie
deep apex
Someone ring up HMS Bedouin and ask her how fighting one of these went
Two of them actually
She got slammed
deep apex
Normandie isn't a US navy ship
We've had other ships named Normandie tho
dapper parcel
<:dentge:1050717355627528202>
To be fair others did managed to get more guns for lesser displacement
Some with questionable tradeoff, but still...
ivory ridge
To be fair others did managed to get more guns for lesser displacement
Some with...
i mean
so did the italians
or well
same amount of guns on less displacement*
read the message wrong
but the early condottieris were 2k tons lighter with the same amount of guns
alpine onyx
<@285676892290285569> remind me where you got the information about Burns delth ...
Should be in here, just can't open it rn with my phone
eternal veldt
The history navy mil website is nothing short of infuriating to navigate
Even the PC version likes to give me nxdomains
desert agate
manic latch
Valiant Catastrophe
fierce sparrow
subtle prawn
night heart
It's really hard to see things from far
https://www.iflscience.com/the-us-navy-...
demn
subtle prawn
manic latch
@maiden citrus
spring briar
SHELL
subtle prawn
spring briar
looks Swedish
manic latch
@tough quail
https://youtu.be/xjTMZbACvm8
tough quail
friend shaped assault gun
maiden citrus
<@125445797448908800>
solid mango
<@125445797448908800>
Gah dam 
eternal veldt
Sailors sleep on the stern of USS Texas BB-35 while on Atlantic Convoy duty in 1942
LIFE Magazine Archives - Frank Scherschel Photographer
maiden citrus
it's fun to sleep on deck
manic latch
Sailors sleep on the stern of USS Texas BB-35 while on Atlantic Convoy duty in 1...
Me
shrewd pecan
subtle prawn
shrewd pecan
<@167796048574545920> <@84008086733324288> .....
the ultimate T-80 vismod but for actual combat use
frozen kestrel
<@125445797448908800>
This made me smile
ivory ridge
<@167796048574545920> <@84008086733324288> .....
apparently an ex canadian leo
autumn sorrel
Leopard 2A4 with Soviet ERAs
Didn’t Leo 2 was design with add on armor and mounting stud for NATO ERA?
And is that some slap of steel in front of the gun manlet?
manic latch
And is that some slap of steel in front of the gun manlet?
They put steel collums for Eras
manic latch
Didn’t Leo 2 was design with add on armor and mounting stud for NATO ERA?
Not sure, since A5 gets cheek armor instead flat walls like a4
autumn sorrel
I am really not sure what to say about this. I mean, field modification is the norm in war but this just weld thing on and hope it works
At least gunner sight is clear
subtle prawn
ivory ridge
2A4s are basically rolling coffins
That's not what anyone is saying but go off i guess lol
manic latch
Saying vs pictures 
strong plank
Didn’t Leo 2 was design with add on armor and mounting stud for NATO ERA?
I’d imagine [certain Eastern European country] was given the tanks but not NATO ERA and stuff like that usually accompanies it
manic latch
Saying vs pictures <a:PepePls:393791080501346317>
Turkey also had bad experiences with them after all
strong plank
Correct if I’m wrong but like
ivory ridge
Saying vs pictures <a:PepePls:393791080501346317>
You mean the pictures of them literally intact aftet being disabled instead of decapitated?
And dont being turkey into this, we arent talking about turkey
strong plank
yeah from what I’ve seen
the leo2s have been getting knocked out, not destroyed
mostly from minefields
And the crews (at least of what I’ve seen and heard) have been able to get out of the tank decently well
ivory ridge
Just like the bradleys
manic latch
the leo2s have been getting knocked out, not destroyed
Well yeah, mines/artillery usually knock out tanks
You need big mines or atgms for interior destruction
Or other tanks
ivory ridge
Come on man t series pop like nothing even from arty
manic latch
Well they are much lighter and have inferior armor because of their size, physics scale with size alot
ivory ridge
And even after the claims of massive ka-52 use we still dont have any decapitated leo
manic latch
So of course for example, heavier and larger Bradley have more rankings than a BMP 2
ivory ridge
Even those just disable them
ivory ridge
Well they are much lighter and have inferior armor because of their size, physic...
That's like
The point
They are much safer for the crew than anything soviet
manic latch
To have turret loss Leo2 I think you need a very specific shot on her hull ammo location
Since turret is very heavy given her armor and size on top
ivory ridge
Hence the claim about them being coffins being extremely pepega
When it's literally the safest vehicle rolling around there
manic latch
Nah that would be Challenger 2
It like
Missing for a long while
Tho I find her more sexy
strong plank
Have the challys been delivered yet?
ivory ridge
There are some videos from there
manic latch
Tho I just remembered
Chal 2 doesn't have blow out ammo..right...
It's in a open hatch with turret I think
shrewd pecan
ivory ridge
They do
manic latch
Ye
Mighty Hesh
Ariete has likely the worst Nato tank survival
Tho she is very old design
And very light
shrewd pecan
Ariete is a stopgap design that never received its follow up
manic latch
Likely will be replaced with Leo2A8s
shrewd pecan
Partially
ivory ridge
The ariete is a Leopard 1a6
manic latch
US should follow Diesel Abrams option more for Europe export potential
ivory ridge
That's what it is
shrewd pecan
Gas turbine is already retrieving exports to Romania and Poland
Diesel abrams did exist
it never got sales
shrewd pecan
why when the standard M1A2s getting exports despite the gas turbine
It’s literally pointless to follow up on when it failed to get sales in the first place
manic latch
Likely it's all political decision mostly
Want to be more friendly with US, buy from them
shrewd pecan
All arms purchases are political
shrewd pecan
That doesn’t change the fact no one bought the diesel abrams yet there buying the standard abrams
Almost like one of the main benefits of the abrams is the US supply chain and having a entirely different engine screws you out of that somewhat
manic latch
It's weird because I'm sure Gas Abrams is a logistical nightmare few nation can actually handle when they reach certain numbers
shrewd pecan
And fuel consumption is a cope when there are multiple nations of various income levels running abrams
it literally does not matter when you’re running on a national defense budget scale on some few hundred tanks
manic latch
I don't think it's cope given the new approach Abrams X offered for engine as fuel saving
shrewd pecan
No ones buying abrams x
shrewd pecan
It is the gas turbine abrams
Getting the sales
it has always been the gas turbine abrams getting the sales
strong plank
Want to be more friendly with US, buy from them
Not just friendly
Interoperability is a big draw
manic latch
Not just friendly
shrewd pecan
The Philippines is all over the place
manic latch
Saudi style
shrewd pecan
They’ve bounced between both the F-18 and F-16 repeatedly
Never decided on one because there terminally broke
shrewd pecan
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Problem is, elevator of Vikrant can handle Tejas and Mig-29...
Fitting larger planes will be interesting
Naval Tejas dies too irrc
Too small to be useful
US should have given Sea Viper a chance ngl
strong plank
The department I’m interning at rn handles FMS and it’s been real interesting
on a completely unrelated note would y’all happen to know any good sources for info on the AFP
shrewd pecan
The real thing they should of given a chance
ah convair
Too good for this world
manic latch
@tough quail claimed design changes on Su-75
Diamondish shape is very popular on new designs
Maybe it's the future
manic latch
Diamondish shape is very popular on new designs
Since Lockheed also shared this
I don't like it but
Ah well
manic latch
Yeah diamond I just ugly
frozen kestrel
Top Profile of the SU-75 givin' me garden gnome vibes
manic latch
Top Profile of the SU-75 givin' me garden gnome vibes
You have been gnomed
tough quail
it looks slightly less stupid than the lockheed outline so there's that
strong plank
the pelican-like air intake 
I don’t think there’s even a way to make that part of the design look good
eternal veldt
The USS Massachusetts (center) with it's 2 sister ships the Indiana and Alabama in San Francisco the only time all 3 were together. The Indiana was scrapped and the Alabama became a museum ship like the Massachusetts. Picture taken March 17th 1946.
manic latch
I just want to go back
solid mango
Idk why but Repulse's Contrasting colors camouflage and USN Measure 32 seems to have awokened something within me
desert agate
Unironic my little dark age edits
In my history channel?
It's more likely than you think
shrewd pecan
Unironic little dark age edits for dead authoritarian states?!
tough quail
are we pretending basically everyone here didn't post those here regularly less than a year ago
severe star
Banger song 
ivory ridge
solid mango
Hello there
subtle prawn
runic prairie
Since Lockheed also shared this
If I had to guess, based purely on the outline, I would say it has a rotating detonation engine.
It lacks enough detail to guess at performance (area rule is a bitch) but it could be pretty damn fast.
Rotating detonation engine for reference.
manic latch
M113 using M158 rocket of UH-1 helicopters, Vietnam war
manic latch
@tough quail better model of the new Su-75 Patent
tough quail
unusual aircraft
manic latch
Yeah Regal is right, intakes changes looks alot
unborn wyvern
MiG-21 with a body kit lookin ass
grave ravine
AFAIK Su-75 was always supposed to use a DSI like that
runic prairie
Interesting paper on Radar Absorbent Materials
Section 2.1 has some interesting details about WWII RAM development, notably the German efforts for their U-Boats, and some early American RAM coatings for aircraft.
If you’re not in the field of materials science the rest may be less interesting but that section’s pretty neat.
tough quail
MiG-21 with a body kit lookin ass
i really want to know what fishbeds you've been looking at
unborn wyvern
Uhhh the fuckin...
tough quail
this feels like saying an f-22 looks like a phantom body kit
doens't even have the jet foreskin
strong plank
I'm just wondering why they'd update the patent if the thing isn't getting made
wasn't funding cut a few months back
runic prairie
I'm just wondering why they'd update the patent if the thing isn't getting made
Probably trying to keep their jobs.
tough quail
no, the funding was never cut
strong plank
I seem to remember some bit of need a few months ago about the program being suspended indefinitely
something about some sudden and inexplicable event cutting off access to western-made components
ivory ridge
the t-14 was
tough quail
even that was iirc just people reaching
budget overhaul with no real specifics given
tough quail
based
deep apex
The veteran even got the gold medal for military valor
rapid junco
Speaking of veterans
Next week i'm going to the 33th edition of the "FEB's veterans encounter"
In the city of Montes Claros
manic latch
I seem to remember some bit of need a few months ago about the program being sus...
As Undef said that was T-14
Sukhoi is rich as company so they don't abandon their projects (and well their demand is high)
It's the Mig that's suffering badly
Barely any demand for Mig-35
Timing for their best plane, Mig 1.44, was just horrible for them
@tough quail new 2D flat nozzle (like F-22 one) is under works for Su-57
Focus is increasing the stealth, and making the aircraft more responsive (flat nozles means more gas in a focused area), but she may lose her 3D thrust vectoring ability and can only do 2D like F-22
runic prairie
Focus is increasing the stealth, and making the aircraft more responsive (flat n...
The advantage of 3D over 2D seems kind of dubious. Like 3D can help with some finer controls and at low speed (and post-stall but if you’re in that position you’ve got bigger problems) but many of the really powerful maneuvers (pitch and roll) can be affected by 2D just as well if not better.
If it improves the deflection angle since it has to make fewer consolations to the 3D mechanism it may be more maneuverable in some regards.
Though in many cases the Gs that an aircraft can theoretically perform at and the force its structure can withstand are two different things.
shrewd pecan
junior trench
Sukhoi only exists as a subsidiary now. And based on testimony from employees is also basically being parasitized by MiG and other companies under the UAC banner who are just flailing around
manic latch
I don't know if saving Mig from bankruptcy was right decision 
Tupolev does bombers, Sukhoi does heavy fighters, so in theory Mig should be good at light fighters, but no Sukhoi is already ahead of them with Su-75 project while best they have is Mig-35
Maybe Boeing will become like Mig
Under the shadow of Lockheed/Sukhoi
While Tupolev/Northrop is chill for being responsible of future bombers
dapper parcel
Boeing got transport
glass trail
boeing is fine because its carrying the commercial industry
storm echo
boeing is fine because its carrying the commercial industry
except how their product quality is slowly going down the drain
so uhm
glass trail
we ignore that
storm echo
airbus is now beating boeing in that
dapper parcel
Boeing commercial will stay afloat at least as long as WN exist
glass trail
who does ships?
dapper parcel
WN might as well become Boeing Airlines atm
Newport News for CVN
Electric Boat for SS(B)N
Ingalls for amphib
Bath/Ingalls for DD
dapper parcel
Well, all USN non nuclear submarines have been electric, so the name carries over I guess
And subs are historically a boat
glass trail
it just seems like such a silly name
autumn sorrel
Paint it black and with red stripe, it will be better
chilly nimbus
what happened to the vertical stab
real osprey
Admittedly that looks bad
dusty kraken
And they call Su-75 ugly
Fighter jets have become increasingly optimised to be launched with a bow and arrow
That thing legit looks like an arrowhead bruh
strong plank
And they call Su-75 ugly
nah the SU-75 looks wack because of the goofy air intake
you know how a lot of chinese aircraft look similar to western designs by Pure Coincidence?
it almost looks like sukhoi tried to copy the F-35, only they assumed Boeing was going to win the contract so they grabbed parts of the X-32
obviously that's not what happened but I have a hard time unseeing it
grave ravine
it almost looks like sukhoi tried to copy the F-35, only they assumed Boeing was...
DSI is pretty popular for making a low RCS intake because it's just good design
grave ravine
airbus is now beating boeing in that
Boeing still has a strong grip on making freight planes, though that's a smaller market than passenger planes
storm echo
Boeing still has a strong grip on making freight planes, though that's a smaller...
yeah
dreamy vector
Focus is increasing the stealth, and making the aircraft more responsive (flat n...
Stealth? It's a city block size, and that's stealth. Pttf.
autumn sorrel
Stealth? It's a city block size, and that's stealth. Pttf.
B-2 exist
And have you check that size of it 
ivory ridge
tough quail
it looks like a bunch of cats about to fight
dreamy vector
The humans in question
autumn sorrel
it looks like a bunch of cats about to fight
Fighting for the next yr budget
runic prairie
Fighting for the next yr budget
The BUFF wins. The BUFF always wins.
shrewd pecan
sorry BUFF fans but this is real life, the B-1 always gets the new missile
runic prairie
B-1: to be retired by 2036
B-52: to be retired later than 2050
shrewd pecan
I was going to respond with a B-1 lancer gif but this one seemed funnier
anyway plug for the thread
runic prairie
Look I like the B-1, don’t get me wrong. But the BUFF is so fat and so ugly it will remain eternal.
shrewd pecan
👁️ I have the best (and only) thread in all of #history
I completely forgot that I posted this one at somepoint
the sniffer radar dome man
runic prairie
Mega cursed.
shrewd pecan
posts that a certain Italian will approve of
runic prairie
Pegasus class my beloved.
shrewd pecan
fuck I should of gotten a picture of it
my local antique shop had a thing from one of the hydrofoils
I cannot spell today
only snapped a photo of this sitting in the corner of the shop
shrewd pecan
Pegasus class my beloved.
ivory ridge
my beloved
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
frozen kestrel
All of the United State's biggest flying delete buttons in one image
manic latch
All of the United State's biggest flying delete buttons in one image
B-52 is more of "get deleted" button
manic latch
B-52 is more of "get deleted" button
I think this operation losses proved carpet bombing was dead
If enemy has any kind of AA
autumn sorrel
Or if air superiority are not guaranteed
manic latch
Like Tu-95 yes
@tough quail Soviet AMX-10, 2S14
It's a BTR-70 with 85mm gun
20-25 rounds per minute
maiden citrus
sacred meadow
Presumably an F-14B of VF-143 “Puking Dogs”
dreamy vector
Bismarck wreck is better.
No wait.
Isn't that bad?
Shouldn't Bismarck be a ship floating in her glory?
Oh gosh, it's all coming back.
tough quail
<@84008086733324288> Soviet AMX-10, 2S14 <a:SCwhatiscatwant:853892685585055756>
very friend shaped
dreamy vector
<@84008086733324288> Soviet AMX-10, 2S14 <a:SCwhatiscatwant:853892685585055756>
That's stright.
spring briar
Isn't that bad?
Shouldn't Bismarck be a ship floating in her glory?
No
subtle prawn
Richie, what do you know about that 4 triple turret CL with 152mm guns study that was eventually abandoned? John Jordan's book only mentioned it in passing
digital mantle
Did China have any available Battleships during, prior to, or sometime after WWII?
ivory ridge
Did China have any available Battleships during, prior to, or sometime after WWI...
kinda BBs but not really
digital mantle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingyuan-class_ironclad
I learned of Ibuki’s origins from this response…
autumn sorrel
Did China have any available Battleships during, prior to, or sometime after WWI...
After ‘49 well, Mao isn’t a big fan of big warship and in a certain plan of their, BB isn’t much needed for an amphibious assault.
chilly osprey
Richie, what do you know about that 4 triple turret CL with 152mm guns study tha...
Just given the timeline involved it's not clear that it ever had any detailed studies, unfortunately
severe star
Where MiG-28 
tribal mortar
Hmm where are these aircraft. F-13, MiG-28, SU-23
They retracted the statement lmao
And posted an american carrier and sub instead
severe star
tribal mortar
The F-5s are mentioned earlier but they don’t show them because everybody would probably say that it’s the MiG-28
In the training montage
severe star
Also argue the SU fight was arguably realistic with Russian production "quality"
tribal mortar
?
tough quail
then you do not know much about the soviet air force of the era
humble mulch
Part of me wants to think this was made by some dude stuck out on sea and who couldn’t be bothered to put in more effort
strong plank
Nah
humble mulch
Regal don’t ruin my cope
I know plenty of marines who’d do exactly this
tough quail
its probably an intern who looked at a cool silhouette shot of boats and jets
assumed it was american
humble mulch
Yeah especially if it’s just a black and white png they tossed over it
strong plank
If it was any of our interns I’ll beat them myself
humble mulch
Yeah
strong plank
After having to correct a coworker that literally works in military equipment sales that yes, the Abrams does not use a 105mm anymore
yeah I can see that mistake happening every year now
tribal mortar
I believe it uses a Rheinmetall 120 right
strong plank
Yeah but i don’t think any stock M1s are in service now
tribal mortar
Yeah
strong plank
And when the dude mentioned it he was explicitly mentioning M1A2s
strong plank
Unclear
tribal mortar
Oh
Yeah probably no stocks are in service in the army because the tech upgrades
Probably export nation use only
runic prairie
Isn't that bad?
Shouldn't Bismarck be a ship floating in her glory?
Considering she was in service of a regime bent on genocide I’d say it’s good riddance.
cinder escarp
Yeah but i don’t think any stock M1s are in service now
The fate of the 105s
The last 105s to see service were M1IPs in desert storm
(M1IP is a low-volume transitional model, it's the M1A1 before the M256 was quite ready for production, so for about a year's production was built as M1IP with the 105mm M68A1 retained in what is otherwise an M1A1)
rapid junco
The F-5s are mentioned earlier but they don’t show them because everybody would ...
Ah, you said F5s 
strong plank
Considering she was in service of a regime bent on genocide I’d say it’s good ri...
Also like
if you want to choose a ship to keep around, choose one that isn’t cringe
runic prairie
if you want to choose a ship to keep around, choose one that isn’t cringe
B-but muh beast made of steelerino!!!!
manic latch
Also argue the SU fight was arguably realistic with Russian production "quality"
Josh, you know what you and Eugen has in common
Lack of research and energy
severe star
It's too late for this shit for me here rn spare me lmao
severe star
Hahahah what
humble mulch
I’m gonna ask you both to not have a pissing match in here please
ivory ridge
manic latch
Nah I already won
manic latch
What names were used on Eugen's turret plaques?
He can't answer this
ivory ridge
severe star
Nah I already won
Hahahahahah what