history

[thorn trail]

I'm wondering if you can stuff a Trident SLBM into the turret barbettes of the Iowa

[tough quail]

hope we get cool features like a machine gun this time

[manic latch]

Just do something like this

Vls for Trident instead helipads

[thorn trail]

Is the Iowa hull tall enough to carry the Trident?

[manic latch]

Then make the hangar space taller

[thorn trail]

My idea is basically turn the Iowa hull into an Arsenal ship but with Trident SLBMs

[ivory ridge]

sorry too advanced for Italy

[tough quail]

pensive

[manic latch]

Just build the arsenal ship then

[manic latch]

Best thing I can offer

[runic prairie]

Just use an Ohio.

It’s more survivable.

[thorn trail]

It's not the "it's more survivable" that I'm aiming for

Just wondering how many Tridents could you stuff in an Iowa sized hull

[autumn sorrel]

Convert Kitty Hawk into Trident carrier

[shrewd pecan]

I want to put it out of its misery

its ok in like a year gaijin will randomly redo the vehicle like they did with the CV90105

[spring briar]

Le Malin is better

[tough quail]

do not fight

[delicate beacon]

Indeed. Do not fight eachother

Fight Wehrbs, Tojobs and Teabs instead.

[spring briar]

ofc not, Le Malin would win

no fun when you already know the result

still looks cute tho

[tough quail]

what sang said

we have to have a united front

[spring briar]

why can't I even make jokes

[tough quail]

because its funny to take it too seriously

[spring briar]

Le Malin going ~45 knots

[spring briar]

@spiral cedar
Austro-Hungarian 305mm shell

they deadass put a ballistic cap over the smol AP cap

[spiral cedar]

May as well

[spring briar]

well yes
it is a good upgrade to the existing 2 CRH shells

[delicate beacon]

Richie. Any of these you're interested in? https://calmview.twmuseums.org.uk/calmview/TreeBrowse.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&field=RefNo&key=DS.VA%2F6%2FPL%2F4

[manic latch]

Only have single nemesis here

[delicate beacon]

All of them?

It's like 10 requests per daypart so I don't think there's enough to go around for that.

[spring briar]

ok start off with the big ones first

so 15"

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15AF2v0uhFs

[foggy oracle]

If I didn't know better, I'd say this is information leakage

[runic prairie]

First War Thunder, then Minecraft, now Azur Lane.

[foggy oracle]

XD

I see no problem in pattern

[runic prairie]

Leaking documents for big-tittied ship girls.

[wintry moat]

Bruh

[foggy oracle]

Sounds about right

[shrewd pecan]

leaking 80+ year old material

[strong plank]

guys I've got my hands on some war plans

the americans will be landing in France on June 6 at-

https://youtu.be/2SOvr9fLHUM

I love these old videos

[desert agate]

BREAKING NEWS THERE WILL BE A LANDING AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE DARDANELLES GUYS

TOP SECRET JUST OUT OF LONDON FROM THE FIRST LORD OF THE ADMIRALTY HIMSELF

[runic prairie]

Yamato is actually 70,000 tons and armed with 460mm guns.

[spring briar]

[alpine onyx]

Eugen was actually not 10,000 tons

[remote monolith]

https://academic.oup.com/zoolinnean/article/198/1/202/7153107?login=false

tldr the rex, while not adapted to swimming, is hypothesized to be very adept swimmer and can easily chase down swimming prey

it also probably swims much faster than humans because of longer gait and larger body size

aka don't run to the water if you're chased by one

[autumn sorrel]

I will noted that down and prepare for my next trip back in time

[remote monolith]

o7 soldier, remember don't run into the water

[spring briar]

I mean

We can dive tho

[manic latch]

Wish I can dive to Soyuz's arms

[delicate beacon]

But can you dive underneath the belt armour?

[autumn sorrel]

If Soviet had made a Carrier before ww2, will they use task group tactic and if so, what will be the possible escort ship in the task group?

[eternal veldt]

Joke's on him, the huge depth of the TDS of Soyuz tells Kremlin to go away.

[delicate beacon]

What a sad turn of events

[manic latch]

[eternal veldt]

In Okun's words

lower body rejected

[manic latch]

Really depends on location in my opinion

I think it would be most useful on black sea since Luftwaffe did make lot of harassments there. She can be a floating airbase for defense of Sevastopol.

You can also do this for Leningrad but she will be in much more risk there.

She can be safest at Northern sea. But she won't do much except joining convoy escort duties or searching for subs for asw

Super useless on Pacific since Japan and Soviets won't wage war to each other until end of ww2

[autumn sorrel]

Black sea fleet then, who would be possible escort ship?

[manic latch]

If you can build what you want then Chapayevs or Udalois would be great. But if not possible then you will pick Kirov or Gnevny class

[autumn sorrel]

Udaloy before ww2?

[manic latch]

Not possible sadly. She was planned to be laid down in 1941

She would have twin DP 130mm/55

[autumn sorrel]

So there is a Udaloy class pre ww2?

[manic latch]

Since Tashkent class canceled, and Kiev class was deemed inferior to this design. Decision was made to lay down Udalois in 1941

Biggest feature of change was guns being DP and longer barrel

[autumn sorrel]

Wait, Does Stalin authorize any plan into CV?

[manic latch]

Only after lot of consideration and insistence of Kuznetsov

But no CV got laid down before ww2

[autumn sorrel]

Hmm, it would be interesting to see a alter timeline where Soviet navy adopt carrier task force

[manic latch]

The Project 71 ships approved for this plan were fairly small, 13,000-ton ships with a 630-foot flight deck, based on the same hull as the Chapayev-class light cruisers. They would have been almost identical in size to the British Colossus-class light carriers. The design specifications called for an air group of 15 fighters and 30 torpedo bombers, to be launched by a pair of pneumatic catapults. She would have two elevators, downward-turned funnels in the Japanese manner, and a heavy anti-aircraft armament.
Italian shipyards had given immense technical assistance in the battleship, cruiser and destroyer programs, but the had no carrier expertise to offer. The Soviet engineers received a tour or blueprint? of the German carrier Graf Zeppelin, but seem to have realized that the Germans knew only slightly more about aircraft carriers than they did, and that that knowledge came second-hand from the Japanese. Project 71 proceeded very slowly, and the authorized ships? one for the Baltic fleet, and one for the Pacific ? had not been laid down when invasion began in 1941

Volga in AL is Project 72. She was inspired from Illustrious class of British and started development around 1943s? Not good with carrier history

But yeah 71 was a light girl highly based on Chapayev hull

Chkalov is 71B, she is much larger I think

[cinder escarp]

I mean, Stalin loved big ships and could not lie. Of course he wanted a carrier.

[manic latch]

He also loved American vehicles

So if America had something Soviets should as well

[eternal veldt]

just kindly ask to buy an Iowa from FDR 4head

[manic latch]

Project 1058

You forgot didn't ye

[eternal veldt]

Without Gibb's delusion

[autumn sorrel]

Except Spam, I never known Soviet have Spam equivalent

[manic latch]

Through the Lend-Lease Act, Spam became a truly global commodity, and was soon feeding Great Britain and the USSR during and after the war.

[autumn sorrel]

Truly the best food ever made

I never understand the stigma of eating it mean you are poor, food is food, and a badly cook caviar doesn't entice me like a grilled Spam

[eternal veldt]

spam egg spam spam bacon and spam

[autumn sorrel]

So project 71 use Chapayev hull and Power plant so I guess speed isn't the issue then, problem at the cata?

Is that an I-16? I suddenly have a bad feeling about it if it actually get into service

[white rose]

Which carrier took more damage: USS Franklin CV-13 or RF Admiral Kuznetsov?

[manic latch]

Speed is no problem yet. And catapult isn't necessary if you use the whole deck but welcome additon

[manic latch]

You can upgrade it with Yak sea variants if you wish. Or just buy lend lease carrier planes like British and uhh France?

[manic latch]

What you think

She barely survived sinking

And this damage was likely reason she didn't made it to cold war 50s

[grave ravine]

I mean didn't they (Franklin and Bunker Hill) get really expensive total rebuilds

And then because of that they didn't get the big modernization package

[manic latch]

Despite severe damage, Franklin was eventually restored to good condition. The story of this aircraft carrier's near-destruction and salvage was chronicled in the wartime documentary, The Saga of the Franklin (1945), and the 2011 documentary, USS Franklin: Honor Restored

But. They mothballed her in 1947. Then uhh she never sailed again

[grave ravine]

apparently the USN wanted to do some ultimate modernization on the pair since they were in good condition, but never got the money to

[manic latch]

She and Bunker Hill – which also had sustained severe damage from aerial attack – were the only carriers in their class that never saw any active-duty postwar service, though their wartime damage had been successfully repaired. In fact it was their like-new condition which kept them out of commission, as the Navy for many years envisioned an "ultimate reconfiguration" for them which never took place.

[grave ravine]

yeah exactly

[manic latch]

Weird justification ngl

[grave ravine]

I mean you typically bundle modernization with major upkeep and repair jobs

cuz its cheaper that way

So they never got slated for SCB-27 or SCB-125

[eternal veldt]

Not all of the Essexs received SCB-125 anyway

[autumn sorrel]

I could see some Hellcat operate off it, though, would the Soviet even allow it to undergo refit in US like some of Allied ship?

[eternal veldt]

Lake Chaplain's one of those that never got the angled flight deck/hurricane bow

and over the years, the limitations of the Essex are really starting to show

The Essexs can't operate F-4s as I recall

and well....you have this

[grave ravine]

Only LC got SCB 27 but not 125, and only Franklin and BH didn't get 27

And yeah the Essex class mainly flew ASW aircraft and Skyhawks and crap

The money for the ultimate modernization of Franklin and BH didn't materialize until the USN was no longer interested in doing it

[eternal veldt]

That's strange, because Antietam never got the enclosed Hurricane bow as prescribed in SCB-125.

Neither did Boxer. SCB-125 from what I'm aware of were limited to a select few carriers.

[manic latch]

Of course. Soviets really valued US technology

And refit in US would be another way to get those

Tho they wouldn't allow it for modern battleships. Soyuz had shitton secrecy

Not Yamato level but closer to it

But things like refits of Gangut by US? Hell ye

[autumn sorrel]

What does Soyuz have that they have to go to that length?

[manic latch]

Armor stats of BBs are always classified
Or mostly

So enemy just assumes if their guns can penetrate or not

Iowa's armor was secret. So Soviets believed her belt was 482mm

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0FCHyXKb1Y

[grave ravine]

OK I was wrong Boxer and Princeton got a different modernization package that turned them into LPHs

[eternal veldt]

Oh, right, LPH. The Essexs got funny.

CVA, CVS, CVT

[grave ravine]

Antietam didn't get SCB-27 because she was being played around with as the prototype for the angled flight deck in SCB-125

[eternal veldt]

The SCBs ngl are a bit of a headache

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515583624083406848/1053624846455685171/Essex-class_decks2.png

[grave ravine]

And it appears that Tarawa, Leyte, and Philippine sea were only commissioned after the war, and saw service for about 15 years before being scrapped with no modernizations

Oh and Valley Forge also became an LPH with Boxer and Princeton

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGo17SIvMRM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNmcRoNMC5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5RlWxirYYM

[autumn sorrel]

Are we bracing for the IRA coming back

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1656296366342123521

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1921, the submarine USS R-14 ran out of fuel and lost radio communications while searching for a missing ship. The crew stitched together blankets, hammocks and battery deck covers and then spent 5 days under sail to travel 120 miles back to Hawaii.

Likes

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Twitter · May 10, 2023, 1:53 PM

[ivory ridge]

https://twitter.com/mapnromania/status/1655974583269478400

MApN (@MApNRomania)

May 15th will mark the last flights with MiG-21 LanceR aircraft of the 🇹🇩 Air Force.
The MiG-21 watched over Romania's skies for over six decades; the LanceR variant contributed to the defence of the 🇹🇩 and NATO airspace for over a quarter of a century. #ThankYou_MiG21 #LanceR

Likes

540

Twitter · May 9, 2023, 4:34 PM

[autumn sorrel]

You forget Gadaffi

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1656351799983370278

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

The guided missile cruiser USS Long Beach (CGN-9) was the world's first nuclear-powered surface combatant. The Long Beach also has the distinction of being the last major U.S. Navy vessel to be fitted with a wooden deck. The ship was in commission 1961-1995.
#WarshipWednesday

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Twitter · May 10, 2023, 5:33 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nTgWX3LJeM

[spring briar]

@spiral cedar I have a goodie for ya

recently released by the marine nationale

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1656317213685477376

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1945, Marine pilot Bob Klingman used the propeller of his Corsair to chop off the tail of a Japanese plane. Because his guns had frozen in the high altitude, he turned his fighter into a buzzsaw to down the enemy. With damaged blades, he still managed to fly back to base.

Likes

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Twitter · May 10, 2023, 3:16 PM

[lament quartz]

Marines are crazy

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALl9_kFSkdQ

[charred coral]

I really don’t like that boxy bridge

[autumn sorrel]

Italian make port call in Vietnam, I hope they don't get mad over how we cook pizza
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8x6KJG8sJk

[ivory ridge]

They officially chose the name for the AH-249 it seems

it was Phoenix as expected

[runic prairie]

Melee kill.

[runic prairie]

And I really don’t like you.

Learn to love and embrace CUBE.

[supple sandal]

Cook?

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1656468287767674880

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1982 during the Falklands War, HMS Sheffield became the first Royal Navy ship lost to enemy action since WWII when she sank six days after being hit by an Exocet missile fired by an Argentine aircraft. 20 men were killed and another 26 injured in the attack.

Twitter · May 11, 2023, 1:16 AM

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

The Soviets took a few pot shots at the UK task force

Interestingly enough

[supple sandal]

#technology or here?

[manic latch]

Here is fine

[supple sandal]

Okay the pdf is 20mb

[eternal veldt]

While berthed at Leonardo Pier 1 of the Naval Ammunition Depot Earle, New Jersey, being discharged of ammunition on April 30, 1946, the USS Solar (DE-221) met with tragedy when a crewman dropped a hedgehog charge causing three consecutive explosions on the ship. Both sides of the ship were ripped open and the deck was in flames. Although the order to abandon ship came after the second explosion, seven sailors lost their lives and 125 were injured.

[tribal mortar]

What era do the DDGs come from? Cold war?

[autumn sorrel]

Yeah

[bitter sand]

Is the term CG/DDG only for Area defense capable ships only

I mean excluding PLAN's "DDG" like the 051B at this case

[autumn sorrel]

It for Destroyer with main armament are guided missile so even Russian Udaloy is a DDG

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/redunley/status/1656191181460766721

Richard Dunley (@redunley)

I have finally got out of teaching (on Australian naval ship design!) and had time to read the ANAO report on the Hunter Class frigate. A 🧵of few highlights and thoughts 1/
https://t.co/5yjJ2DrH8V

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Twitter · May 10, 2023, 6:55 AM

[manic latch]

[chilly osprey]

'G' means 'Guided Missile' and generally refers to ships that have some kind of medium range AAW capability or greater. When this was originally introduced this meant something like the RIM-24 Tartar, but the definition is a bit looser now with how far so many SAM systems have come.

As a strict convention it's not really followed anymore

[bitter sand]

thx

[desert agate]

Realistically we should cut the Hunter program and mount CEAFAR2 on a FREMM but the time and expense is just too little too late, RAN needs a new frigate and the Hunters will have to do

Mounting CEAFAR2 on a FREMM would give government an opportunity to reconcile with the French after the failure of the Attack class, and provide RAN with a capable low risk platform delivered sooner, but unfortunately the design work needed would have been needed to have started years ago

[ivory ridge]

Where is that cursed austrlian fremm render again

[chilly osprey]

You'd need a more extensive re-design of the French FREMM, since it was smaller than the Italian variant. That's why it was up for the third shortlist spot along with the Type 26.

The ther two shortlist spots were already decided between the two top contenders for the program, which was the Italian FREMM from Fincantieri and the F100 from Navantia (Spain).

Which is kind of part of what makes the whole thing so egregious.

[desert agate]

Absolute 9head

[manic latch]

Why did US order these instead going more for their Constellation class

[desert agate]

I love CEAFAR such a capable radar but also fuckhuge

[ivory ridge]

Order what

[manic latch]

Fremm

[ivory ridge]

The Constellation is a fremm

[manic latch]

Oh

[chilly osprey]

Not only did they pick up the Type 26 over the French FREMM offering for the shortlist and then 'lose' whatever paperwork was involved in that decision, but then also tapped the Type 26 again over the two other bids that their own process acknowledged as the better offers overall .

Oh, yes, and then applied a 10% discount on the price that had not been negotiated with the tenderers, just to make it look better.

[desert agate]

Tbh I didn't realise the French and Italian FREMMs were radically different

[chilly osprey]

Yeah, in spite of being the same basic platform the Italians had a greater requirement for aviation facilities and AAW capabilities, which grew the size considerably.

[manic latch]

Country Specific equipment ye

[desert agate]

Doubt it has anything to do with Scott Morrison being a massive Anglophile and monarchist

[chilly osprey]

Commonality between the two types is only about 10%, from what I've heard.

[desert agate]

Interesting

[chilly osprey]

Which is actually still quite a lot for these kinds of things, but that's still not a lot in an absolute sense.

[manic latch]

It was reported that Italy would then order two additional FREMM frigates to replace those transferred to Egypt with the anticipated delivery of the replacements by 2024

[chilly osprey]

For the differences in size between the various major FREMM variants.

[chilly osprey]

Old news. They cut steel on those back in 2021, they should be delivered in 2025, though, not 2024.

[manic latch]

Oh

Why did Australia choose Hunter class over Fremm

[chilly osprey]

This is from earlier this month. You can see the two FREMM building here, with a PPA on the far right

[desert agate]

Supposedly superior ASW capabilities

But Navy lost the paperwork apparently

[manic latch]

Sang ate it likely

[desert agate]

I personally think that's a load of shit they just don't want to cough it up

[chilly osprey]

At the time there were a lot of rumors that there was a lot of lobbying from BAE and the British government that basically made them choose the Type 26 and push it through regardless of the tender process.

This ANAO report kind of seems to give evidence to that.

[bitter sand]

Commonwealth ties

Better ASW and "less noise"

as they said

[chilly osprey]

Because Type 26 clearly was the most risky option at the time, and has continued to generate issues,

'EXTREME RISK', sounds like fun!

It's worth noting to that at the time the T26 design was not complete

[thorn trail]

What is FREMM

[chilly osprey]

And the British then also seem to have hidden exactly how incomplete the design was until late 2020, after there was a change in BAE's senior leadership

[chilly osprey]

A jointly developed Franco-Italian ASW frigate

[bitter sand]

Frigate of France and Italy

different hull tho

[desert agate]

What is it with Navy and having terrible acquisition experiences with everyone except the Spanish

Swedes? Fucked
French? Fucked
Poms? Fucked

Navantia meanwhile provides great ships at good cost and its honestly worked so well for us

Half of the fleet is Spanish built at this point

[chilly osprey]

Navantia's dealings in Australia did have a number of rough patches, it has to be said

Lots of back and forth over issues between design and manufacture on the Hobarts

But they did sort it out eventually.

[desert agate]

Hobart's had some problems but it's to be expected for such a design

Canberra's and Supply's both went pretty smoothly iirc

[chilly osprey]

Honestly, that's kind of what made them a favorite alongside Fincantieri's offering in the end - the F100 may not have been designed for ASW, but Navantia being a known factor kept them relevant.

[desert agate]

No doubt Navantia was more than willing to mate their ships with CEAFAR2 as well

[chilly osprey]

Honestly they probably would have had the easiest time of it out of anyone. F100 is an AAW-focused design and would have had the most topweight to spare for the radar system to begin with.

[desert agate]

They've been excellent suppliers tbh and while Navy Surface Review is yet to come, I think it'll either recommend we take up Navantias offer of 3 more Hobart's in exchange for shrinking the Hunter class fleet, or it'll shrink the Hunters and we'll acquire a smaller frigate as well

A massive budget blow-out on the Hunters just isn't within governments willingness to fund considering the nuclear submarine program

I find it hard to believe that we'll maintain the current Hunter order

[chilly osprey]

Tbh, if you were willing to eat a delay on getting the ASW frigates in service I'd kind of be tempted to build three more Hobart's in the short-term and then long-term get CEAFAR2'd Constellations, and just canning the T26.

[desert agate]

Not entirely sure that's a great option with how tensions are in the Pacific, governments desire to maintain a persistent shipbuilding capability and the state of Henderson shipyard right now, being prepared for Hunter class construction

The Anzacs are not only long in the teeth but they're also very lightly armed and simply weren't built for the threat environment they're expected to operate in going forward

As great a platform as the Constellation will be, the Anzacs need to go sooner rather than later

I think that DSR is a rather poignant reminder that while Defence has always acted on a 10 year rule for leading up to a potential major conflict, we are likely a bit closer to or a bit further along in that 10 years than we'd to admit

[chilly osprey]

Mmm, but at this pace the first Hunter isn't going to be completed and delivered to the RAN until mid-2032.

Repeat Hobarts might actually end up being available sooner.

[desert agate]

Repeat Hobart's is undeniably a good idea, whether the experienced personnel gained during their construction are still around though, is a difficult question to answer

Since having to regain those skills is going to slow down a repeat of the class

Afaik there's still some experienced personnel who were retained after the Hobart's ended, but the half a decade since their completion and the starting of the Hunters has meant a good number of experienced personnel were left to either move away, either to one of the two yards in Western Australia, a civil yard like Austal, or out of the country or they've retired, been laid off due to lack of work or just lost a lot of experience over time

Most of the people working on the Hunters are relatively new hires afaik

[ivory ridge]

talking about Australia and Fremms

https://twitter.com/FincantieriUS/status/1656660460320743425

Fincantieri Marine Group (@FincantieriUS)

Psst. 🇦🇺 When you have a moment, we really should talk.

https://t.co/Ske8THYA9t

Twitter · May 11, 2023, 2:00 PM

[runic prairie]

MIC Twitter beef.

[chilly osprey]

[remote monolith]

https://palaeo-electronica.org/content/2023/3821-the-osteology-of-irritator

TLDR of the paper: Irritator can do this

this is unironically cursed

[supple sandal]

https://youtu.be/dH5pRQwlxc4

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/2805662/status/1656629217214484481

Gregory Knowles (@2805662)

Never thought I’d see a suppressor fitted to a .50 cal M2 Browning. The demonstration video had the firer not even wearing earpro!
Interesting way to mitigate the damaging concussion of the John Browning’s century-old ammunition.

Likes

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Twitter · May 11, 2023, 11:55 AM

[shrewd pecan]

SUPPRESSORS ON EVERYTHING

[dusty kraken]

what if we

suppressed

the suppressor

[orchid notch]

Yes

[desert agate]

Cursed Yamato vs Ticonderoga YouTube ad

[manic latch]

Ah modern warships

Yamato has 360° for all guns

And 3 second traverse

[desert agate]

Yamamotos dream

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995101542992584764/1106249312691818536/20221006_010104-1.jpg

[sacred meadow]

@humble mulch @manic latch Anyways yes I move here

[manic latch]

Imagine naming your thing BROACH

Holy hell man

[sacred meadow]

Military loves its acronyms

[manic latch]

I miss older times

After an animal or myth

Not a BROACH

[sacred meadow]

AGM-154 JSOWs use the BROACH warhead : D

Not like it’s always needed since you can fly em through an open hangar door if you really wanted

[humble mulch]

You pinged the wrong Kawa LMAO

[sacred meadow]

BRUH

LMAO

[humble mulch]

I'm tea, pin changed my nickname lmao

[sacred meadow]

lmao

Uhhhh whoops

[strong plank]

is that a unicorn pfp

tea I thought better of you smh

[manic latch]

Yes

[humble mulch]

My pfp matches my name. Kawa likes unicorns design so I picked it cause I don't like lusty

[sacred meadow]

RIP YF-23

[manic latch]

She asked for it with this thing

[manic latch]

The U.S. Navy considered using the production version of the ATF as the basis for a replacement to the F-14, but these plans were later canceled.

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

their entire aviation development budget for the 90s

[strong plank]

the y're

[shrewd pecan]

was wasted on a single program that failed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_A-12_Avenger_II

[sacred meadow]

Too expensive lmao

Stealth, naval, and variable geometry wings

[desert agate]

Reminder that one of the world's best maritime radar sets is literally called CEAFAR

[sacred meadow]

SCANFAR

[desert agate]

Which is the funniest double pun

[strong plank]

now I'm just reminded of the X-47B

[sacred meadow]

Very creative names

[desert agate]

SCANFAR is old

And American

[shrewd pecan]

modern navy aviation procurement is a joke

[grave ravine]

Avenger 2 my beloved

[desert agate]

And only a single pun

[sacred meadow]

I’m still waiting on F-4 to come to DCS so I can prove that it’s not as bad as most people think

[desert agate]

PLANES WERE NOT MEANT TO GO ON SHIPS
THEY HAVE TREATED US FOR ABSOLUTE BUFFOONS

[strong plank]

I mean I get that an unmanned refueling aircraft is probably handier than an unmanned strike drone

but

[manic latch]

[strong plank]

you can't tell me this isn't cool as hell

[shrewd pecan]

I can't find my F-16 for Japan poster so

have this one instead

[desert agate]

Unmanned refuelling is a vital capability for the USN given the strain that it puts on Super Hornet airframes

[sacred meadow]

Ok somehow looks good but it’s Jolly Rogers so not surprised

[shrewd pecan]

a lost capability

[sacred meadow]

Rhinos had to go under upgrades early to extend service life

[strong plank]

the X-47 was also capable of refueling

[strong plank]

so it probably came down to like

operating cost vs capability

[shrewd pecan]

as it always does

[desert agate]

It will never not annoy me that USN calls Super Hornet a Rhino

But then I remembered that we called the F-111 the Pig so I guess I can overlook it

[sacred meadow]

I was gonna post the F-35 edit but beat me to it

[sacred meadow]

Well doesn’t Aardvark or Vark translate to Pig in some language?

[shrewd pecan]

I intended to post them together

[sacred meadow]

Can’t remember

F-111 my beloved though

[desert agate]

No

We called it the pig because it has a long nose

Like a pig

[sacred meadow]

Sad

[strong plank]

it also flies low to the earth

[desert agate]

And it runs super close to the ground

Like a pig

[strong plank]

like how an aardvark sniffs around

[manic latch]

Pigs can't fly

[sacred meadow]

Super Tomcat 21 would be more capable than the Super Hornet but too expensive

[sacred meadow]

Who said?

-Bad Piggies gang

[desert agate]

And also Australia doesn't really have aardvarks so no one knew what they were in the 60s

[shrewd pecan]

THE NAVY WHEN IT HATES MONEY! GO SUPERTOMCAT GO!

[desert agate]

So we just called them pigs

[sacred meadow]

Muh digital cockpit pls

[desert agate]

no F-111C
Cringe

[chilly osprey]

God this reminds me of my mom telling me that before she came to the United States, she thought Chipmunks were something Disney came up with. Didn't realize they were a real animal.

[shrewd pecan]

ok then go find me Australian posters for the F-111C and go put into my thread

[sacred meadow]

LOL

[manic latch]

Navy F-22*

[strong plank]

The USN when it uhhh

does another study

[shrewd pecan]

god it truly made for the best ads

[sacred meadow]

I still hate Dick Cheney for retiring the F-14

[shrewd pecan]

made sense to retire it

the airframes were maintenance whores

expensive to upkeep

[sacred meadow]

true

[shrewd pecan]

rapidly coming upon their max service lives

[strong plank]

swing wings look neat but

[sacred meadow]

Hangar Queen

[shrewd pecan]

alongside just being massive

[strong plank]

make maintainers want to kill themselves

[desert agate]

Close enough

[sacred meadow]

F-14 required a whole assortment of tools just open a single access panel

[chilly osprey]

Also the main threat for them to counter kind of committed die

[shrewd pecan]

THROW IT INTO THE THREAD!

[sacred meadow]

But man they were good

[sacred meadow]

true

Iraqis were scared shitless of F-14s

[languid swift]

Yo

[shrewd pecan]

Tomcat out of a coldwar context stops making sense especially for a navy tight on the purse strings

[sacred meadow]

Haha… cries

[desert agate]

BUT IT ISNT ORIGINAL

[sacred meadow]

Oh look Blacklions Tomcat

[shrewd pecan]

DON'T CARE

I HAVE BOTH VIDEO GAME ADS AND EDITS IN THERE!

[strong plank]

AYOOOO

[sacred meadow]

A flight of F-14s managed to chase some Iraqis and led them to an ambush by some Hornets during Desert Storm

[strong plank]

ya boy has received his interim clearance

[shrewd pecan]

one of these

in fact two of these

[desert agate]

Don't leak docs sir

[shrewd pecan]

are not like the other

[sacred meadow]

I know an F-14 RIO irl. He told me a story of one his squadron’s jets getting over-G’d. It sat in the hangar for months and became known as the hangar queen

[shrewd pecan]

Waiter! more F-35 manuals please!

[manic latch]

Iran keeps them flying despite having no access to F-14's parts

[sacred meadow]

Smuggling go brrr

[strong plank]

lol

I'm not anywhere near technical documents

[humble mulch]

Iran got a bunch of parts when they retired them

[desert agate]

I like this server I don't want it nuked by CIA/ASIO

[humble mulch]

I swear I didn't do anything with it

[sacred meadow]

Posts F-14 NATOPS

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

where is my YF-23 flight manual

[strong plank]

hmm today I shall post documents regarding US operational plans in the SCS in the discord for a chinese mobile game (clueless)

[manic latch]

Holy book

[shrewd pecan]

[sacred meadow]

[desert agate]

I recall talking with a volunteer at my local aviation museum who said that the reason the F-22 wasn't allowed to be exported was because it has a big red button in it that makes everything more powerful

[sacred meadow]

A lot of its tech is classified

[shrewd pecan]

shame my F-4 manuals too big to post

[desert agate]

Was certainly an interesting conversation and I was 13 so I believed him

[sacred meadow]

A lot of aircraft have that I think

F-15 has a switch that can allow the engines to produce more power

It FUBARs them after usage though and need to be replaced

[shrewd pecan]

did you know the master arm when triggered makes your plane 100% more combat effective?

[desert agate]

Tool me a few years before I realised his whole thing about there being no F-22 cockpit photos was a load of shit

[sacred meadow]

💀

[strong plank]

it's like one of those 3rd party video game controllers

with a giant 'TURBO' button

[desert agate]

I can understand why they wouldn't sell F-22 to Australia due to the uh... complicated security arrangement the two countries had in the 90s but I'm sure other countries like Japan would have been interested

[sacred meadow]

Tech for the F-22 is too sensitive

[strong plank]

I still find it funny

the lengths they went to that

[chilly osprey]

Japan was interested, in fact

[sacred meadow]

They must be hiding something really good if they’ll export the F-35 but not the F-22

[sacred meadow]

^ Asked and got rejected lol

[humble mulch]

Gotta push the more Gs button when dogfighting to win

[chilly osprey]

That they couldn't get the export was why they started their own stealth effort

[sacred meadow]

Hornet paddle switch

Pull like .33 more G

Rips wings off

[desert agate]

I think the whole RAAF hacking scandal didn't help America's concerns with exporting their newest plane

[strong plank]

the F-35 had investment from a number of countries

[chilly osprey]

F-35 was a joint project, so most of the major partners had some fingers in the pie.

Not nearly as sensitive, especially relative to when it was done, as the F-22

[strong plank]

versus like

a jet the US made for themselves

[humble mulch]

Isn't Japan and UK making a 6th gen together?

[sacred meadow]

true

[chilly osprey]

With Italy, yeah

'GCAP'

[desert agate]

Since well, America had restricted the radar and IFF systems so that only America could decide whose aircraft could be flagged as hostile

[chilly osprey]

Spun out of the British-Italian 'Tempest' program

[humble mulch]

Interested in seeing how that goes

[desert agate]

And America wanted good relations with Indonesia in the 90s

[manic latch]

Fcas is Germany, France, Spain

Gcap is Italy, Japan, UK

[strong plank]

speaking of goofy names/acronyms

mfw Stryker isn't an acronym

[humble mulch]

Oh Germany and France

[strong plank]

someone really went "spell it with a y, it'll look cooler"

[sacred meadow]

Named after 2 MoH recipients iirc

[humble mulch]

First I've heard of that one

[desert agate]

Australia meanwhile was on the brink of a potentially very bloody conflict with Indonesia (which later turned into INTERFET) and so they had to hack into the F-18s radar systems to allow them to assign their own IFF flags

[humble mulch]

Lmak

[chilly osprey]

Well have to see. It has to be said, they're the three countries most experienced, outside of the US and China, in working on stealth aircraft.

Britain was the primary foreign partner in the JSF/F-35 program, and both Italy and Japan have the only Final Assembly and Check-Out facilities outside of the US

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Combat_Air_System

[strong plank]

ah

[supple sandal]

Mig-29 manual?

[strong plank]

you're correct there

[desert agate]

RAAF had an interesting habit of just ignoring their importers in the 20th century

[humble mulch]

[strong plank]

named for Stuart Stryker and Robert Stryker

[sacred meadow]

^

Both unrelated apparently

[shrewd pecan]

want it?

[supple sandal]

Well I have it

[humble mulch]

I'll take it

[strong plank]

that makes more sense

[desert agate]

Like the time France literally made an arms embargo against Australia because we were giving Israel spare parts for the Mirage 2000s

[supple sandal]

Warthunder server

[desert agate]

Whacky shit

[sacred meadow]

lmao DCS gang

[shrewd pecan]

LUFTWAFFENMATERIALKOMMANDO

[desert agate]

Germans want you to think that's a real word

[sacred meadow]

Lmfao

[desert agate]

We know better than to trust the Germans though

[supple sandal]

I have half of it

[sacred meadow]

Germans on their way to have a peaceful conversation while sounding pissed off

[strong plank]

there's a quote that's been living rent free in my head for the past 2 days

[desert agate]

Afterall, that's what strategic bombers are built for

[strong plank]

"there are no men or women in germany, only germans"

[sacred meadow]

I don’t get it

[desert agate]

Holy shit nonbinary Germany based

[shrewd pecan]

their choice of pointing finger is killing me

[sacred meadow]

wtf just put an arrow

[humble mulch]

I've met several Germans and can confirm this

I like the hands ngl

[desert agate]

Having been to Germany yeah there were lots of Germans there

[strong plank]

joke about folks there generally behaving very similarly

[desert agate]

Weird

[sacred meadow]

oh lmao

[strong plank]

idk it's a funny quote

[sacred meadow]

NATOwave posting

[humble mulch]

Gotta Natowave the Chinese propaganda

Cause that shit goes hard for us

[sacred meadow]

Me posting NATO propaganda in a Chinese mobile game server

[shrewd pecan]

oh it shipped

[sacred meadow]

Chinese propaganda on the US is amazing though

[strong plank]

any time I see those funky ngad renders I wonder

[sacred meadow]

Have they seen how badass they make us look

[strong plank]

is this the modern equivalent of those like

1950s crackpot concepts

[sacred meadow]

“Ha!”

[desert agate]

Interestingly this is not a German
It is a plane

[sacred meadow]

That’s a MiG-23

Used by East German air force I think

Flogger

[desert agate]

Yeah it's an OSSIE mig

[supple sandal]

On a Chinese funded messaging app

[desert agate]

Outside the Technik museum in Speyer

Near Frankfurt

[sacred meadow]

[desert agate]

If you're ever in Western Germany, go to both technik museums

[strong plank]

like any time I see this my brain just goes

[desert agate]

Amazing places filled with some awesome stuff

[sacred meadow]

tf

[strong plank]

"hmm yes we all know how skilled we are at predicting the future"

[desert agate]

The one in Speyer is the only place in the world with both supersonic airliners on display

[sacred meadow]

Skill issue

[manic latch]

It can also swim

[sacred meadow]

Wait what

[manic latch]

One of the reason head is shaped like that

[sacred meadow]

Okay makes… sense

[strong plank]

point is those renders always get me thinking

[supple sandal]

Anytime Soviet aircraft actually being useful it usually wasn't near Soviet airspace or piloted by Soviets at all

[strong plank]

if it's just the industry being cracked out

[desert agate]

Quantity has a quality of its own

[strong plank]

or if that's actually close to the final product

[sacred meadow]

Yesn’t

[desert agate]

Especially in naval warfare where current doctrine for all sides is boiling down to throwing so many missiles at the enemy that they simply can't stop them all

[supple sandal]

Me bring 20 T-34 to fight a single panzer because the Germans can't bring more

[sacred meadow]

Having 100 bad aircraft is gonna be more expensive than 10 really good aircraft because cost for maintenance and training adds up

[spring briar]

proof that Americans solve things by just giving it more power

[sacred meadow]

American muscle cars in a nutshell

[desert agate]

Soviet pilots kinda peaked in the mid 70s

Well they were great in the 50s too

[strong plank]

https://tenor.com/view/future-spongebob-squidward-gif-5073180

[desert agate]

The 60s and 80s were both kinda shit

[spring briar]

regal what

[supple sandal]

Soviet advisors yes
Pilot didn't see much action

[sacred meadow]

Even in the 1950s

MiG Alley

[strong plank]

richy are you unfamiliar with

[desert agate]

80s less so but the 60s were atrocious

[strong plank]

the funny NGAD renders

[spring briar]

no
I'm not
but
the art...

[shrewd pecan]

USAF had the Vietnam experience to kick its ass into gear for the later 70s and 80s

[spring briar]

why would NGAD ever be that close to its target

[sacred meadow]

We overcompensated way too much and it paid off

[shrewd pecan]

Soviets not as much

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-cat-not-laughing-caption-gif-19739492

[sacred meadow]

Soviets got their asses kicked in Afghanistan

Just like us

At least for the occupation part

[strong plank]

it's using DE countermeasures to take down missiles

[desert agate]

The Soviets actually did have a similar awakening in the wake of Vietnam which led to a major reformation of their pilot training

[shrewd pecan]

I wouldn't really call fixing foundational issues overcompensating

[spring briar]

oh was that supposed to be a missile?

[manic latch]

Yeah S-75 vs F4 wasn't good experience

[supple sandal]

Imagine not having gun and the Vietnamese got behind you

[shrewd pecan]

that wasn't really a bad war for the Soviet Airforce

[strong plank]

that image is from NG btw

[shrewd pecan]

missiles made up majority of the kills

it was a training issue

not a having a gun issue

[desert agate]

Oh goodie the gun myth

Love to see it

[spring briar]

northroop grueman?

[sacred meadow]

^ Gunpods were available

[shrewd pecan]

that as well

[sacred meadow]

It’s just US pilots were not trained for BFM/ACM

[chilly osprey]

Good SAMs are very much a PITA for aircraft

[desert agate]

Pierre Sprey is happy indeed

[shrewd pecan]

the vast majority of air to air kills in Vietnam were achieved with missiles

[strong plank]

gunpods were made available but did not have a significant affect

[spring briar]

Pierre is the first part of my name

[chilly osprey]

This is why there is such an emphasis on SEAD in the US and some NATO and other Allied air forces

[shrewd pecan]

the USAF and Navy both suffered from training issues on properly using said missiles

[spring briar]

[sacred meadow]

The F-4 dominated MiGs in the two-circle and uphill dogfights

[desert agate]

[sacred meadow]

But US pilots early on didn’t know to take advantage of this and force the two circle and vertical fight

[strong plank]

yeah like literally

the navy's fighter weapons school (known was Top Gun) was made in response to experiences in vietnam

[supple sandal]

What about SAM and anti air gun?

[shrewd pecan]

air to air

not ground to air

[strong plank]

bc pilots weren't familiar with how to use newer missiles

[grave ravine]

Eh, the biggest thing holding back US performance in the air in Vietnam was actually the lack of good command and control

[shrewd pecan]

USAF's experience in SEAD at the time is a completely different story

[grave ravine]

https://www.historynet.com/great-kill-ratio-debate/

[desert agate]

The Soviets had a massive awakening in the early 70s after a confrontation between Egypt and Israel, where everyone expected the Soviets to kick Israel's ass, only for the Soviet squadrons to get obliterated leading to the Soviets instituting very similar reforms that the USAF and USN instituted during the same time period

[grave ravine]

The problem was less the lack of BFM training and more the lack of good SA due to poor C&C

[desert agate]

I think it would be easy to say it was a variety of issues

[sacred meadow]

SEAD was pioneered during Vietnam

[grave ravine]

When the USAF got ground control stations, K/L ration skyrocketed

[sacred meadow]

It was

[spring briar]

post more NGAD art regal

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

That compounded to create a very large and complex problem

Anyway napalm sticks to kids

Goodnight

[strong plank]

from lockheed

[manic latch]

devil has 3 heads

[spring briar]

unmanned right?

[manic latch]

No

[spring briar]

they're gonna put people in the NGAD?

are they mad?

[shrewd pecan]

it could have a crew up to 4 or more

[manic latch]

Sr 72 won't have crew

Ngad won't fly that fast

[strong plank]

of course

they've been talking about pairing NGAD aircraft with unmanned drones as a complement though

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-power-gif-22189847

[manic latch]

Tho I agree with Richel. Pilots are cringe.

Sadly AI isn't good enough for replacement

Yet

[grave ravine]

Yeah they anticipate the Ewar environment requiring either large scale daisy chaining or people on the spot

[sacred meadow]

Hush

[strong plank]

it's a concept they're trialing with the F-35

[grave ravine]

so 4 man NGAD lol

[spring briar]

No but like
you do realise that with pilots, the thing will only really be able to fly in straight lines

or what's the envisioned speed like

[grave ravine]

Who needs to turn anyways

[strong plank]

no clue

[grave ravine]

Like Mach 2 or something

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/faint-aeroplane-flying-gif-10995166

Chad AI doesn't do stuff like these

[spring briar]

my point

eh

we'll see how they'll deal with it

[strong plank]

NGAD is also planned to be a family of systems

[grave ravine]

I mean the airframe won't necessarily handle that level of stress a lot better either

[spring briar]

NGAD is like AMX?
neat

[grave ravine]

Yeah NGAD also includes loyal wingmen

[strong plank]

with the centerpiece being F-X, the manned fighter

complemented by loyal wingmen drones yeah

[manic latch]

Ngad might not have any agility at all, they might do missile carrier smaller B-21 approach

[spring briar]

F-X is a very sus name

[grave ravine]

And some cool engine development

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/carmen-ferreri-sad-crying-stressed-gif-14492598

[strong plank]

well it's supposed to replace the raptor so I would assume some agility

[manic latch]

Navy one is F-XX

[grave ravine]

They also call the fighter component PCA (penetrating counter air)

[spring briar]

like, comment and subscribe if you got the joke

[strong plank]

In September 2020, Roper stated that a full-scale prototype of the NGAD fighter aircraft has been flown.[17]

[supple sandal]

https://youtu.be/WueEUAR2HN8

This video is sponsored by

[grave ravine]

*NGAD, but commonly called by its old title F/A-XX because its stupid to have two different projects called NGAD

[manic latch]

https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2020/09/15/the-us-air-force-has-built-and-flown-a-mysterious-full-scale-prototype-of-its-future-fighter-jet/

Likely to get Congress support. Air force wants to retire 300 planes and get more money for Ngad

[grave ravine]

No it wasn't a prototype, it was a testbed for technologies that would be in NGAD

Like it is still big news, NGAD is far ahead of any other 6th gen fighter program

but the US isn't flying NGAD prototypes around right now probably

[strong plank]

open article for more concept designs
aerial photographs of what look like airframes

[chilly osprey]

Bonus fun is that Tempest was also called FCAS before it evolved into GCAP, so Europe had two multinational programs called FCAS simultaneously

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

the proposed light fighter fifth doesn't really sound like that bad of a idea assuming the USAF has the room for it in its budget

[strong plank]

low-observable test shape spotted at LM in october 2021

[manic latch]

Tiktok leak ye

Wonder what happened to recorder

[strong plank]

and then this

[manic latch]

Shouldn't take these seriously tho

You would cover them up instead leaving them open like this

Likely fun science projects

[strong plank]

I mean my take's like

[strong plank]

they're obviously from the program

but we don't know what their part is

could just be looking at rejected concepts, etc

[manic latch]

I see them as Bird of Prey

[spring briar]

pick a goddamn shape
and stick with it

[supple sandal]

I think I might have done something wrong

I seeing recruitment ad for US air force in on youtube

[grave ravine]

no

[shrewd pecan]

in regards to NGAD and F/A-XX

the satellite images are likely of mock-ups

tho there's likely airframes in various states of completion out and about

[grave ravine]

Possibly airframe test items to test the aerodynamics and rcs of various shapes

[manic latch]

This is picture from F-22 program. So ye don't trust any Ngad images until real product

[strong plank]

biblically accurate NGAD

[spring briar]

shape

[ivory ridge]

BROACH is just the warhead of the Stormshadow

and the JSOW

not sure why you would name the warhead in particular with a cool name

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-wide-cat-plink-cat-meow-gif-27396868

[runic prairie]

You could probably do a good bit better (possibly 200, maybe even 300 kilowatts) depending on generator structure and if you want to fill the weapons bays with fiber-optic cables.

F-35BL would be very based.

[lament quartz]

A .50

Very nice

Shes rusty

Must clean

[runic prairie]

Supposedly this system could reload 15 VLS cells an hour in Sea-State 5.

Safe to say it was a good bit better than the usual crane approach.

[spring briar]

Tonight on top gear

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1656774275540328448

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#RIP Edward Gaines who has passed away at the age of 98. Gaines was one of the last Royal Navy veterans of D-Day. On 6 June 1944, he was on a landing barge that transported explosives to Omaha Beach. He spoke of the horror of lowering the ramp onto the bodies of dead Americans.

Twitter · May 11, 2023, 9:32 PM

[runic prairie]

Hamman!

[sacred meadow]

Hamod you tiny man

Where is the lambo chevy

[deep apex]

Gony crashed it into James car mate

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1656818650559524864

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1963, the carrier USS Wright (CVL-49) was recommissioned after being converted into a command ship and reclassified as CC-2. It alternated deployments with USS Northampton (CLC-1) to serve as the "Floating White House" in the event of a nuclear attack.

Twitter · May 12, 2023, 12:28 AM

[shut granite]

Hallo, am new~ How active is this channel? It being the objective best in server

[deep apex]

Yes

[autumn sorrel]

Sometime, expect spon and phoenix long thread of "leaking" RAN info

Krem for soviet stuf

For retro stuff, check Tato

[shut granite]

I mean I am down to talk modern military technology for daaaays

Like the navy's list of requierments for a gen 6 fighter

[autumn sorrel]

No, it stick a bit too close to modern politic so we will talk about it sometime, modern navy is still allow

[shut granite]

Fair ^^ I mostly like stuff from interwar to late cold war anyways

modern you see it you can kill it is boring

[spiral cedar]

I'm not that active nowadays but the old-timers still mostly talk about first half of the 20th century

Lately the channel has undergone...demographic changes that has shifted the typical sort of discussion here

[wintry moat]

Cuz 1890-1950 is based

In terms of The Warships used

Not the idealogies at play

[shut granite]

It barely has the first night capable aircraft carrier... I find this acceptable

[wintry moat]

I love my Capital ships with Big guns

[spiral cedar]

I Like Big Guns and I Cannot Lie but also flat tops look beautiful

[shut granite]

probably apparent, but I like my aircraft

[wintry moat]

Fair

[shut granite]

I do like some of the developmental notes of big ships tho, like the fact the first dreadnaughts had ramming bows, then they dropped it, then brought it back in a more subdued way

incredibly generalized i know

[bitter sand]

Battleship torpedoes:

[thorn trail]

Actually afaik HMS Dreadnought did not have a ramming bow

[shut granite]

I am talking a more broad line of design trends

[thorn trail]

In fact Dreadnought herself was I think one of the first capital ship the royal navys had without the ramming bows

[bitter sand]

~~It did do a ramming kill anyway ~~

[thorn trail]

It's just that her only kill was a ramming

She also almost rammed a HMS Temeraire while ramming the sub

[shut granite]

pretty much I am talking about the development of the bulbous bow

the bulbous bow extending past the main bow helps create the bow wave in front of the ship, the bow will also create a wave and the sine wive is offset so they cancel each other out reducing drag

[runic prairie]

Proposal for a bulbous bow on the Burkes.

Incredibly cursed.

Note that the sonar dome≠a bulbous bow.

[wintry moat]

Hey I've got a question

[runic prairie]

Yes

[wintry moat]

What would be a good book for Learning about the British Battlecruisers

From Invincible to G3

[eternal veldt]

Norman Friedman: British Battleships

RA Burt: British Battleships of the First World War, British Battleships 1914-1945

[wintry moat]

Thank you

I love Battlecruisers and I wanted to see how they got from Invincivble to Hood to G3

[eternal veldt]

Quite the long story

G3 is an interesting vessel itself because it is probably by far the closest vessel to be "laid down"

I.e. keel blocks were laid down, but the keel itself isn't

[wintry moat]

G3 is the 16 inch armed BC right?

[desert agate]

Yes

[remote monolith]

https://worldjournalpost.com/massive-jurassic-pliosaur-unearthed-in-englands-kimmeridge-clay-formation/

Paleontologists have unearthed four cervical vertebrae of Jurassic pliosaurid in the Kimmeridge Clay Formation near Abingdon, Oxfordshire, England.

The specimens are noteworthy for their size, with a maximum width of 27 cm, maximum height of 22 cm and maximum length of 10 cm.

Simple scaling and comparisons with cervical vertebrae of other Jurassic and Cretaceous pliosaurs suggest a total body length of between 9.8 m and 14.4 m for the Kimmeridge Clay pliosaur; likely the true length was towards the higher end of this range.

absolute unit

among the largest known Pliosaurus

[manic latch]

@spring briar Colbert is here

The ship was designed with an eye on the Italian Trento-class cruisers, in comparison with which the French cruisers Duquesne were literally stripped of armor. The increased protection, however, was no match for the Italian cruisers. The magazines and the engine room were covered with plates of a narrow 50mm armored belt; the cruiser also received an upper deck reinforced to 20-25mm. According to the project guidelines, the cruiser had to survive one torpedo hit, as well as destroyer main battery fire, so in general the design was able to meet these guidelines.

The Colbert cruiser is presented in the game in her latest upgrade, during which the AA armament was improved. 8 x 90mm single-barrel mounts are responsible for covering the ship from aircraft at long distances, while an orchestra of 37 mm and 13.2 mm flutes shreds any approaching aircraft to pieces.

[spring briar]

It’s kinda redundant to mention armor on any french CA’s that aren’t Dupleix, Algérie or the Saint Louis class

Also

Lmao

AA

[sacred meadow]

A VF-1 “Wolfpack” Tomcat flies inverted over another Tomcat belonging to the same squadron

[autumn sorrel]

What was French navy plan for their colony pre ww2?

[austere anchor]

not giving them independence

[spring briar]

[chilly osprey]

Depends on the colony

If you're asking about naval defense.

Also, depends on who is attacking.

[autumn sorrel]

Indochina then

[chilly osprey]

Against the Germans or Italians, it was sort of expected that they would only have to deal with the odd raider or something like that, if it was ever threatened at all. Either local forces could deal with it, for a cruiser reinforcement.

If the Japanese came knocking, though, the French had no intention of trying to hold Indochina against them. They realized it was beyond their resources, given the requirements for continental Europe, North Africa, and the Mediterranean as a whole.

[thorn trail]

Learning about the Halifax explosion, it is so weird that the SS IMO was not the one held responsible

And that even when a re-investigation was initiated, it was both parties given equal blame, even tho it seems like from the chain of events, the IMO was clearly in the wrong

Especially with the double blast reply to not yield

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1657025259151712262

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1938, USS Enterprise (CV-6) was commissioned. War Department officials and VIPs attending the ceremony were presented with aluminum model "Big E" ashtrays that had been cast at the Newport News Shipbuilding foundry as souvenirs.

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Twitter · May 12, 2023, 2:09 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQFdWorviZI

[manic latch]

https://youtu.be/DDW2_jrID3Q

[subtle prawn]

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/alleged-sabotage-onboard-frigate-hms-glasgow/

[wintry moat]

I want one

they are probably rare as all hell

And thousands of dollars

[autumn sorrel]

I love the fact KV-2 can actually be a decent tiger killer with 107mm gun

[manic latch]

I don't think Tiger can stop her normal 152mm either

[wintry moat]

Not very well

That's a six inch howitzer slamming into her

If it hits dead on the mantlet

That Tigor is fucked

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

KV-2 assuming its able to get the first shot off

but uhhh

I'd rather not be a KV-2 crew for rather obvious reasons

[manic latch]

Ye better use Su-85
Or Su-100 for overkill

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYBygG_dDRs

[manic latch]

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/usaf-to-integrate-into-b-52-stratofortress-the-agilepod-to-give-the-iconic-buff-advanced-communications-capabilities/

She could become the most upgraded bomber of history

Likely is

[supple sandal]

70 years by now?

[glass trail]

omg a wellington

[shut granite]

oh that's so cool

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1656965697975603207

A-129 Mangusta (@NichoConcu)

🇮🇹🇯🇵🇬🇧
Model of the GCAP in Italian markings, looks much better than the previous design we saw imo. Thoughts?

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Twitter · May 12, 2023, 10:13 AM

[runic prairie]

Interesting mounting spot. I know they tend to mount a lot of that sort of thing on the old ADR-8 pylons between the two engine nacelles.

But I guess weight might be an issue.

ADR-8, basically a radar-reflective decoy rocket they could shoot ahead of them.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilGzqmkpDkA

[humble mulch]

Aye thats pretty fucking clean looking

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NORADCommand/status/1657019040093835264

North American Aerospace Defense Command (@NORADCommand)

NORAD’s 65th birthday is today! Over the past 65 years, NORAD has held the watch 24/7/365, ensuring the skies above and around 🇨🇦 & 🇺🇸, and the maritime approaches to North America, remain safe. Wish us a happy anniversary! #NORAD65

https://t.co/6hdMCQfRz6

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Twitter · May 12, 2023, 1:44 PM

[runic prairie]

NORAD my beloved.

[desert agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kgElxcOvXY&ab_channel=ABCNews(Australia)

Australian Pacific Islander Ghurka regiments

[manic latch]

Frens

[lapis quartz]

Took my friend to the USS Iowa yesterday. Not my first time seeing an Iowa class but definitely my first time being on board one. Beautiful ship and a day well spent.

[lament quartz]

ill be there soon

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1657413638305599489

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1862, Robert Smalls and several other slaves commandeered the transport CSS Planter and escaped Confederate controlled waters to turn the ship over to the Union Navy. His efforts helped persuade Abraham Lincoln to permit African-Americans to enlist in Union forces.

Twitter · May 13, 2023, 3:52 PM

[supple sandal]

https://youtu.be/gGDKO5xuJow

[grave ravine]

Robert Smalls was a chad, they are renaming a Tico after him

[runic prairie]

@spring briar

Idk if you’ve seen this one but kind of a neat little round.

It’s a guided 60mm shell for a CIWS concept.

[grave ravine]

arent they building guided shells for the 57mm bofors

[runic prairie]

It had a K-band uplink with a E/F (S band in IEEE) downlink (this is the operating band of the SPY-1 and SPY-6 multifunction arrays).

[runic prairie]

Yes

https://www.l3harris.com/sites/default/files/2021-08/as-pes-des-fos-resource-ALaMO.pdf

My understanding is that it’s for slower targets.

I don’t know how well the 57mm round would perform against VAMPIRES.

[grave ravine]

They also got this
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/07/video-darpa-mad-fires-anti-ship-missile-self-defense-for-lcs-ffgx/

[supple sandal]

Someone really working hard to come up with those acronym

[runic prairie]

Oh of course

It wouldn’t be a DOD program without a forced acronym.

[grave ravine]

MAD-FIRES is supposed to be for cruise missile defense

[runic prairie]

I guess I was getting all the programs mixed up.

Hard to keep track sometimes.

[grave ravine]

nah ALaMO is for slower targets

MAD-FIRES is a newer program

[runic prairie]

Gotcha

[grave ravine]

DOD has multiple guided 57mm programs running in tandem

[runic prairie]

Shame they killed HVP.

[chilly osprey]

ALaMO (aka HE-4G, aka Mk.332) is for surface targets because the 3P rounds did not perform at all like BAE was promising they would

MAD_FIRES is your 'this gun can now do CIWS' round

[grave ravine]

Look at this thing

got a rocket motor on the end

[grave ravine]

Has a sabot too for some reason

[runic prairie]

Probably for stability

[chilly osprey]

Because control surfaces

Same as DART

[grave ravine]

ah that makes sense

[runic prairie]

A lot of guided rounds use sabots given their long and tapered airframes even if they theoretically might not need one.

And protecting electronics and control surfaces is also important.

[runic prairie]

I wonder what kind of guidance it has.

My guess would be command guidance using an X-Band receiver.

[chilly osprey]

They've been keeping details about guidance very under wraps

[runic prairie]

Yeah but it’s fun to speculate

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1657496902902988801

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

In 1961, drunk submariners from USS Archerfish smuggled a goat onto their base in the trunk of a taxi. On the sub, the goat quickly made a mess and ate the chief's blanket. The crew then found getting the goat off the sub was more difficult that getting it on.
#SeaStorySaturday

Twitter · May 13, 2023, 9:23 PM

[spiral cedar]

Current status

[runic prairie]

Vibe

Just picked it up from the library.

[spiral cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1107022868006588566/1107141823392137316/Effect_of_Stereo_Acuity_Changes_from_Magnification_on_Range_Error.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1107022868006588566/1107141837115891762/Effect_of_Stereo_Acuity_Changes_from_Magnification_on_Range_Error_log_scale.png

Made an attempt

[runic prairie]

Based

This is the kind of autism we need in here.

[lapis quartz]

Hell yeah!

[lament quartz]

Ive read that

[charred coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSvKc-8frp8

[desert agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRGR_cj03vQ&ab_channel=SeaPowerCentre-Australia

[runic prairie]

Mk 13 and Mk 22 GMLS respectively

[charred coral]

Never forget the Armidale

[desert agate]

Timor campaign is definitely underrated

she took quite the pounding given her small size and a VC was awarded to Teddy Sheean, who the submarine HMAS Sheean is named for

[charred coral]

there's even a song written about him and her by Lee Kernaghan

I had to draw her in AL form too

[desert agate]

pretty sure they played it at an ANZAC dawn service I did a few years ago

[charred coral]

I see

[desert agate]

good song for sure

[charred coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVtojdjFurs

[sleek folio]

why is Hood represented with a clock? I mean a pocket one in AL is it's augmentation module and in wows it's the Hood flag

or not represented idk why of the clock in general

a nothing chat gpt told me XDDDD

[alpine onyx]

Wild guess, because the chronological part of the Denmark Strait battle is disputed. Usually cited is five minutes before Hood was sunk, but there's reason to say it was a mere three minutes

[sleek folio]

nope

I though it was also something about time and intercepting Bismrack but nope

[alpine onyx]

Boo

[delicate beacon]

Beg your pardon.

[sleek folio]

BTW got confused her I remember it being a pocket watch but in AL it's not it's a medal

or to be exactly the emblem of HMS Hood

[eternal veldt]

this?...

Ship's crests are commonly displayed aboard a lot of Royal Navy's warships and are often well maintained throughout the second world war, pictured here is Duke of York's.

Hood nicely chose to put hers on the gun tampions rather than anywhere else.

[ivory ridge]

https://stefsap.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/cassones-large-battlecruiser-proposal-1921/
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669133963864047626/1107321784757403658/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669133963864047626/1107321548202852362/image.png

[spring briar]

Barrel spacing

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/905511190845878272.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[spring briar]

Thats exactly what it looks like

@delicate beacon

[delicate beacon]

Bonjour

[spring briar]

Armor edge

[manic latch]

PR6 PLS

[ivory ridge]

yeah nah

the new ship DR slot is reserved for one of the 3 majors

[weak spoke]

Today is when enterprise was hit my a kamikaze in 45

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1657769521904492544
https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1657769524777689089

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1945, a bomb-laden kamikaze dove straight through five decks on USS Enterprise (CV-6) during the Battle of Okinawa. The resulting explosion blew the 15-ton forward elevator 400 feet into the air. Swift damage control extinguished all fires within 30 minutes.

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Twitter · May 14, 2023, 3:27 PM

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Appearing as if they were walking on water, USS Enterprise sailors who had been blown overboard by the explosion used the forward elevator as a life raft until being rescued by USS Waldron.

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Twitter · May 14, 2023, 3:27 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1657747976716992519

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

A mother sent President Truman $10 and asked that it be used to pay for a birthday cake for her son in the Navy. Truman sent the request to the sailor's CO, who then had his cooks bake a big cake. Remember: Your mom will go to the top of the chain of command for you. #MothersDay

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Twitter · May 14, 2023, 2:01 PM

[thorn trail]

What Battlecruiser had the thickest armor?

[spring briar]

Hood

[alpine onyx]

What even is a battlecruiser?

[delicate beacon]

Iowa

[alpine onyx]

Let's just refer to them as Ships of the Line

[delicate beacon]

Schnelles Linienschiffe

[spring briar]

Frégate

[hushed saffron]

Fast ironSteelclads?

[wintry moat]

Neat

I've got a question

A friend sent me this image

I was wondering if anyone knows the history behind it

I know that's Hood, but idk what the context is

[delicate beacon]

Oh I have that image too

[wintry moat]

It's cool as hell

RN Rave

Oh is that what's going on?

Lol

[subtle prawn]

On 14 May 1944, French Cardinals appeal to clergy in the USA and Great Britain to influence their governments to ensure that the bombing efforts spare French towns, works of art, and churches.

The recent intensification of Allied bombing across France in preparation for D-Day under the 'Transportation Plan', which we covered in a post on 9 May, has undoubtedly affected German war logistics. Still, it has also destroyed significant parts of French towns and cities despite Allied efforts to target rail infrastructure precisely. French civilian casualties have been a regrettable side-effect of the campaign, although they have not reached the catastrophic numbers predicted by Winston Churchill.

Today, French Cardinals appeal for a more humane air war via radio address:

˝The bombing of France fills our hearts with sadness and anxiety.

Thousands of civilians have been killed and wounded, and their homes, as well as churches, schools, and hospitals, have been destroyed.

We ask you to intervene with your respective Governments to ensure that the civilian population of France and Europe may be spared as much as possible. We are convinced that with more care military objectives will not be confused with humble dwellings in the neighborhood.

We believe that our towns, our works of art, and our churches in particular should be spared.˝

Will we see a repetition of the horrible destruction of Italian towns or have Allied air commanders changed their tactics sufficiently to ensure higher precision bombing?

Picture: Aerial view of the city of Vire after the bombardments of 6 June 1944.

Source: Wikimedia Commons

[spring briar]

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/Guy_ar_Stewart/status/1657712586018766849

Guy Stewart (@Guy_ar_Stewart)

Police Scotland has confirmed to @LBC @LBCNews enquiries ongoing into alleged sabotage on HMS Glasgow where @BAESystemsplc says 60 cables were 'deliberately' cut. Detectives called out around 5pm on Thursday and evacuated ship as precaution.

Twitter · May 14, 2023, 11:40 AM

[manic latch]

It was me Barry

[runic prairie]

Shit like this proves to me that the Morgenthau Plan should’ve been carried out.

I fucking hate wehrbs so goddamn much.