wonder if they'd throw me into the pacific if I do end up becoming a national guard tanker
#history
shrewd pecan
frigid karma
Xi is a fucking hillbilly that spent his days licking communist boots in a communist farm in the cultural revolution
thorn trail
would tanks even be useful in the pacific
frigid karma
Nothing is too stupid
frigid karma
would tanks even be useful in the pacific
yes?
i mean
you need gun to move from a to b safely
runic prairie
would tanks even be useful in the pacific
Depends where.
frigid karma
tank is the logical explanation
shrewd pecan
why do you think I want to go armor if I do end up going nat guard
shut wren
why do you think I want to go armor if I do end up going nat guard
drive abrams
autumn sorrel
Nothing is too stupid
Xi is trying to make a legacy for himself, “the one who unite China” does sound tempting
runic prairie
why do you think I want to go armor if I do end up going nat guard
Do unspeakable things to military hardware.
shut wren
Do unspeakable things to military hardware.
NO DO NOT
autumn sorrel
why do you think I want to go armor if I do end up going nat guard
Name your tank “Biggus Dickus”
runic prairie
NO DO NOT
Arrest me all you want. You can’t ever truly clean out that F-35’s “thrussy”.
shut wren
Arrest me all you want. You can’t ever truly clean out that F-35’s “thrussy”.
You're getting death by firing squad
runic prairie
You're getting death by firing squad
I will die a happy man
shrewd pecan
runic prairie
Marines?
shut wren
damn wish they let us do it in the PLA
shrewd pecan
that's army
shrewd pecan
he's a Mainlander studying abroad so
shut wren
you're in PLA
Soon ™️
shrewd pecan
I'm mainly predicting he's gonna go home, end up hating it there and try his best to go back to the west
shut wren
do my 2 years in the PLA and get tf out
hopefully i dont get yeeted by a ARAAM
or how ever tf you spell those
frigid karma
amraam
shut wren
mb mb
runic prairie
do my 2 years in the PLA and get tf out
Is that like a party requirement?
shut wren
Is that like a party requirement?
Nah its what my family wants
frigid karma
mandatory service 🥱
runic prairie
Ah
frigid karma
my parents both served
shut wren
mandatory service 🥱
Not yet
runic prairie
my parents both served
Grandfather worked on Star Wars
shut wren
Maybe I should join said party and shoot for big man
runic prairie
SDI that is.
shut wren
like big man position
shut wren
runic prairie
She got bricked up
frigid karma
The turksih diarrhea
runic prairie
Superior Korean Engineering
shut wren
runic prairie
Give it to the Ukrainians and they will smother it in Kontact 1
runic prairie
Do it yourself
Nah
shrewd pecan
smoother me in Kontakt 1, tie me to a Hrim-2 and fire me at Moscow
runic prairie
smoother me in Kontakt 1, tie me to a Hrim-2 and fire me at Moscow
Is there any evidence they actually built any?
shut wren
nah they dont build Tato missiles
shrewd pecan
HRIM-2? its in the prototype stages still
runic prairie
HRIM-2? its in the prototype stages still
Watch the “new” Hrim-3 that looks suspiciously like an ATACMS.
shrewd pecan
I mean the obvious solution would just be
on
what the problem this solution is for or who would be receiving such hardware, I will not say
runic prairie
Let them have the run of Davis-Monthan.
Anything they can get flying is theirs.
Relevant
shut wren
Google drive
runic prairie
Iranians have done it.
shrewd pecan
the amount of integration work would make it difficult to do
shut wren
Like launched from US planes
shrewd pecan
but yeah you can if you really wanted to
runic prairie
I think R-60s at least.
shut wren
runic prairie
Easier to just supply them with NATO surplus.
shut wren
runic prairie
But I mean hell if they got Sea-Sparrow to work on a Buk it’s definitely in the range of possibility.
tough quail
pre-Mysterious Events ukraine was struggling to produce basic APCs that weren't obviously made out of pig iron and sadness
missiles are... going to be worse
tough quail
owo
tough quail
splendid
shut wren
tough quail
ow ow ow ow ow
runic prairie
You wouldn’t be able to use active radar homing systems across different platforms as those require datalinks that aren’t compatible.
Continuous Wave illumination and cuing IR sensors is easier.
shrewd pecan
missiles are... going to be worse
their domestic GMLRS equivalent is seeing service alongside Neptune
in terms of HIRM we have no idea what's going on with it
runic prairie
I doubt they’re really pursuing it.
They have a limited budget as is and are worried about cost/benefit for long range weapons.
It’s why they’ve primarily used drones for strikes. They’re cheap so even if shot down it’s still a win.
A massive part of the Ukrainian strategy is tying up Russian AD.
tough quail
plus yknow ballistic missiles require a level of quality control i would
not really bank on
frigid karma
domestic ukrainian missiles
#history message
ballistic missiles sure i agree, non ballistic tho
But seriously, why were there never any missiles mounted on bombers as defensive armaments
shrewd pecan
there's plenty of Ukrainian missile systems of various types in service
shrewd pecan
what's better
shrewd pecan
more room for ordnance, fuel or EW equipment
frigid karma
i meant in the cw
shrewd pecan
or AIM-9s?
shut wren
How many AIM-9s you tryna fit for the need of a Tu-4 or B-52
tough quail
yeah you're not exactly going to be able to get a sidewinder shot off with a bomber
strong plank
their domestic GMLRS equivalent is seeing service alongside Neptune
I was gonna say
Ukrainian produced missiles at least worked well enough to sink the Moskva
shut wren
Pretty low standards for a 1980s Soviet junk
strong plank
shut wren
Slightly more advanced modernized Soviet junk vs modernized Soviet junk
strong plank
slightly more advanced modernized soviet junk
remind me what a lot of Chinese military tech is based off again
shut wren
Nah that’s chinese™️branded Soviet junk
strong plank
What chassis does the Type 99 use again?
runic prairie
Soviet Junk with Chinese Characteristics
shut wren
T-72?
tough quail
i dunno how ukrainians arm industry is fucked enough to not be able to produce thin armor steel but can produce working AShMs
slavic magic i guess
strong plank
Probably has issues that are industry-specific
maiden citrus
or one zoomed in area is a poor example of a country sized topic
strong plank
Aren’t a lot of their vehicles refits of soviet stocks?
shut wren
Ukraine yes
tough quail
control electronics, warheads, light weight propulsion, all that good missile stuff: 👍
a like 6mm sheet of hard metal: 👎
tough quail
or one zoomed in area is a poor example of a country sized topic
no this was a whole domestic fiasco
it turned out the export btrs they were selling were using finnish armor steel
the domestic ones were HUEGH
strong plank
I’d also guess just like
corruption
would make sense if it’s localized to that type of hardware
tough quail
probably just one fucked up plant then
but hey, least the missiles work, so good on 'em
strong plank
corruption
Esp if it didn’t happen with export models
shut wren
shrewd pecan
its probably down to not having access to certain industries
due to the war in Donbas alongside being cut off from suppliers in Russsisa
tough quail
they're also cute little things
strong plank
Slavic Stryker
thorn trail
due to the war in Donbas alongside being cut off from suppliers in Russsisa
Isn't the majority of Ukraine's metal industry in the east?
shrewd pecan
one of the major ones was in Donetsk
frigid karma
In both periods the lobber was in much danger from fire from supporting tanks or tank protection squads. Some use was made of tear gas grenades although so foul was the atmosphere inside Mk Vs with their ill designed ventilation systems that one wonders to what extent the crews were affected.
tough quail
these hulls are early 2020
frigid karma
"ah, refreshing tear gas"
shut wren
The ww1 Mk V?
maiden citrus
"ah, refreshing tear gas"
'cry about it'
tough quail
At the same time, in order to fulfill the aforementioned contract, the officials of SE" KB "AO", realizing the lack of technical feasibility of manufacturing barrels, entered into an agreement with SE "KBTZ" dated 22.09.2015 No. 057/247 for the purchase of barrels and artillery systems that were made during the Soviet era."```there was this whole thing too
shrewd pecan
Ukraines arms industry has been struggling for a long time so not surprising especially post 2014
tough quail
its been struggling since the 30s
kharkov has been a den of mystery and madness for a long time
tough quail
i kind of assume the staff is one third peasants, one third kgb agents that have forgotten they're agents at all, and one half slavic mythological creatures
cue soulsborne boss theme
shrewd pecan
the pure amount of just
bizarre yet interesting designs we wouldn't have without them
shrewd pecan
if only they had a budget and the ability to actually get orders reliably
tough quail
get inside the party wagon
see thats the thing, once CURRENT EVENTS end
kharkov rises from the ashes, with an enormous variety of weird foreign shit to play with
shrewd pecan
its probably gonna end up being a licensed producer of foreign systems
tough quail
and the world is not prepared for what they can do with a challenger 2
shrewd pecan
both fortunately and unfortunately
shut wren
cinder escarp
and the world is not prepared for what they can do with a challenger 2
Nothing will beat the Algerian homemade BMPT-62
shut wren
What tf is that
shut wren
shut wren
subtle prawn
shut wren
subtle prawn
shut wren
001 and the rusted thing before the PLA brough it
strong plank
Tato you'll have to remind me
my uni library has a bunch of older editions of Jane's
will have to see if I can grab some pics from there
shrewd pecan
there's one article I am looking for
and I have no fucking idea where to find it
beyond this one piece of it
block III abrams
one can only dream
shut wren
cinder escarp
You guys are missing the most cursed Abrams ad
It is the forbidden image
M1A2UK )))
frigid karma
block 3 looks wackier
subtle prawn
runic prairie
Help step-Admiral I’m stuck.
strong plank
what are those turrets
eternal veldt
Everything is off, don't worry.
It's about as much as a "replica" as an "inspiration".
also...want a Pepsi?
maiden citrus
very large, it's a vending machine
cinder escarp
block 3 looks wackier
Sadly, there's nothing but drawings of block III.
The images are of CATTB.
autumn sorrel
I almost forgot that I have this videos
This is back when 2019 when I visit U-434
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@tough quail List of most 90s Soviet MBT projects
autumn sorrel
<@84008086733324288> List of most 90s Soviet MBT projects
T-14?
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Object 148
autumn sorrel
It was a Soviet era project?
manic latch
Likely a marriage of Object 187 and 195
tough quail
490A my beloved
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490A my beloved
477 is still in Kharkov
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<@84008086733324288> List of most 90s Soviet MBT projects
Man 195 is still my favorite tho
Scary looking big girl 
autumn sorrel
Russian Arena APS combat record and testing?
Heard a lot about it but rarely seen it work
tough quail
477 looks super goofy
manic latch
Russian Arena APS combat record and testing?
Drozd has shitton of videos but Arena is very rare yeah
manic latch
477 looks super goofy
Yeah
autumn sorrel
Drozd has shitton of videos but Arena is very rare yeah
Drozd is combat tested and it work, only with the limited angle but outside of Trophy and that German APS stuff, I don’t see no Russian stuff
manic latch
Drozd is combat tested and it work, only with the limited angle but outside of T...
Russia said they will put Arena-M system in future T-90s and 80s
Hope M removed that gigantic box on turret heads
I want to see how T-14's APS works tho ngl
It looks alot like Object-195's
autumn sorrel
I want to see how T-14's APS works tho ngl
Isn’t that the box attached to the turret one? I don’t see any radar like Trophy system
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Isn’t that the box attached to the turret one? I don’t see any radar like Trophy...
Those black boxes are the radar
manic latch
Yosh
autumn sorrel
Oh
autumn sorrel
I want to see them in action but I doubt they will become universal with the current situation
Surprise that Chinese haven’t make any copy system yet
manic latch
I think only T-14 can carry this system. Other T series get Arena-M
autumn sorrel
I think only T-14 can carry this system. Other T series get Arena-M
They use russian made electronic or have imported components?
manic latch
We can't know that sadly
manic latch
Surprise that Chinese haven’t make any copy system yet
China have this
GL-5 APS
Does feel like modern Drozd
autumn sorrel
Well shit, it will be harder to ambush their tank with RPG29 then
manic latch
Weirdly APS isn't standard on any army yet. They are being seen like export focus or just some units
autumn sorrel
The one place in the back kinda look like it will blast the mg gunner as well as the incoming missile
autumn sorrel
Weirdly APS isn't standard on any army yet. They are being seen like export focu...
Isn’t they start to become standard in the IDF?
manic latch
Yeah they are first
cinder escarp
Weirdly APS isn't standard on any army yet. They are being seen like export focu...
Tfw you don't know About Merk IV Barak
autumn sorrel
IDF really love to keep their soldier alive
manic latch
Tfw you don't know About Merk IV Barak
Do all Merkavas have APS now 
manic latch
Their Merkava hull troop carrier thingy is getting APS soon yeah
autumn sorrel
Their idea is wacky but goddamn, it works
manic latch
Overpriced but seems they willing to afford
autumn sorrel
APC got pen and infantry killed, use tank hull and tank grade armor instead, slap ERA and APS on for good measure
autumn sorrel
Overpriced but seems they willing to afford
They do have limited manpower pool to draw from. It is cheaper to throw around shell and money than lives in their case.
manic latch
Yeah it's replacing M113 
autumn sorrel
M113, bloody coffin
My uncle said that it is cool to travel in one but once combat started, he stay away from the APC
That thing attracts RPG like no tomorrow
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They do have limited manpower pool to draw from. It is cheaper to throw around s...
Russia wanted a similar thing with T-15 IFV.
Armata hull, APS system, 4 Kornet and 30mm manless turret, extreme frontal angle for more protection
But yeah it's just too expensive
Estimated between 6-7 Million $
autumn sorrel
But yeah it's just too expensive
No US aid money for them 
manic latch
Yeah money is overpowered
autumn sorrel
IDF already have a trend with making IFV from tank hull
cinder escarp
It's a good use of money, IFV and MBT should share chassis
manic latch
Israel has 500 M113 tho. Ain't they gonna buy 500 Namer
autumn sorrel
Where Abrams IFV <a:floppaletsgoo:1054631064313790485>
When Congress thinking about funding anything else than jet
cinder escarp
Basically every MICV study ever has said IFVs should share the same chassis as MBT
shrewd pecan
a IFV built off of the Abrams
would be likely a nightmare to actually move around
autumn sorrel
I mean, it sounds nice to just make 1 chassis but reality of transportation and logistics will hit you hard in the face
autumn sorrel
Anyhow, this is Eitan
Still gonna need Namer for Urban environment though
cinder escarp
Eitan is really, really enormous.
shrewd pecan
Eitan is likely gonna be survivable enough for urban terrain
autumn sorrel
I wonder, what are their armor packages
shrewd pecan
standard hull is STANAG 4 apparently
in terms of tank hulls as IFVs
its something I don't really think its practical outside of Israel and other nations with threats directly on their borders
having another 60+ ton platform to move around for a expeditionary army isn't gonna be the most ideal for something that doesn't have to be 60+ tons
shrewd pecan
it is a v-hull APC
cinder escarp
Yes, but it is still crazy huge.
(Not that it is that much bigger than a Boxer/AMV/Terrex)
As the famous image goes
Left to right: Boxer, Patria AMV, Abrams, LAV-25
silent spruce
Thats huge
cinder escarp
Modern 8x8s are huge.
autumn sorrel
Mako IFV/tank when
frigid karma
circa 1865
maiden citrus
that right epitath part is metal af
quick shard
circa 1865
spits on the grave
remote monolith
circa 1865
tfu tfu
manic latch
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dusty kraken
nah this man is obviously just incredibly small
ivory ridge
Truly
somber knoll
chilly osprey
"What if I take every claim and put it on a graphic"
"We'll even have carriers that didn't take part in the attack"
Thanks, internet
somber knoll
yes
somber knoll
"We'll even have carriers that didn't take part in the attack"
inb4 it's the combined Mushy and Sushi
ivory ridge
eternal veldt
How else to prove Musashi was useful?
quick shard
<:Blessex:753375684126310451> <:YorkBruh:588629709328482325> <:HornetBruh:721896...
question:who hitted the most hits?
subtle prawn
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strong plank
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Cold war relic
Looks at F planes except 22/35:
chilly osprey
>Cold war relic
Looks at F planes except 22/35:
Super Hornet don't real?
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Super Hornet don't real?
Still from F-18
desert agate
id delete this before mods see it
chilly osprey
Still from F-18
In name, sure.
desert agate
>Cold war relic
Looks at F planes except 22/35:
A-10 is a relic of coldwar doctrine that is entirely irrelevant in modern peer combat scenarios
currently in service 4.5gen fighters meanwhile remain relevant and potent against peer opponents
chilly osprey
In name, sure.
But overall it was almost an entirely new design, even if a lot of what went into the F/A-18 was brought into the Super Hornet.
desert agate
i will stand by that money not spent on stealth is a waste of money but these older airframes maintain capabilities while 5th gen airframes come online
super hornets are considerably larger than classic hornets
manic latch
i will stand by that money not spent on stealth is a waste of money but these ol...
Spon
Would you rather have
100 F-22
Or
300 F-15
autumn sorrel
Oh, you asked Spoon, my EN moment
autumn sorrel
A-10 is a relic of coldwar doctrine that is entirely irrelevant in modern peer c...
Do gunship like AC-130 perform better in ground support role than A-10?
desert agate
Spon
Would you rather have
100 F-22
Or
300 F-15
whats the mission theyre intended to perform?
desert agate
Do gunship like AC-130 perform better in ground support role than A-10?
only if the enemy doesnt have SAMs/MANPADS
autumn sorrel
only if the enemy doesnt have SAMs/MANPADS
Hmm, just hypothetically but can Russian counter A-10 effectively?
manic latch
Hmm, just hypothetically but can Russian counter A-10 effectively?
You just need Igla
Literally
desert agate
lets put it this way
in a Cold War Fulda rush scenario, American intelligence believed the entire A-10 fleet would last little more than a month or two
desert agate
i'd also note that A-10s have taken and survived Igla hits
manic latch
i'd also note that A-10s have taken and survived Igla hits
You CAN survive yes. But is it %100 chance?
Or else Su-25 also survived stinger hits
desert agate
depends on the location, distance and number of hits
manic latch
Yup
autumn sorrel
Hmm, isn't the missile on Pantsir are proximity explosion, like a shotgun, should that be dangerous to the A-10?
manic latch
Every anti air missile is proximity
autumn sorrel
Oh, that something new I learn today
manic latch
Ww2 rememba
127mm proximity fuses are better than HE for a reason
No need of direct hits
autumn sorrel
Oh, I remember reading about SA-2 and how they down B-52, 17 years old me back then doesn't quite understand how, I just imagine the missile slam into the plane
manic latch
Oh, I remember reading about SA-2 and how they down B-52, 17 years old me back t...
Here is F-4 getting hit by S-75
See it's not a direct hit but
Fragments does all the damage
autumn sorrel
So in short, Pantsir is very capable of downing A-10?
manic latch
Any air defense that can lock can
desert agate
any AA system with a radar and a competent operator can
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That's why A-10 and B-52 has largest losses in US air force for last decades irrc
Being slow kills you
And doesn't help when A-10 is also flying low
desert agate
afaik there hasnt been a B-52 loss since Vietnam
manic latch
Yeah only crashes
autumn sorrel
Well, A-10 really start to show it age then
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This one 
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Well, A-10 really start to show it age then
It never aged because
It's niche
If enemy has no air defense then she works fine
But that's her niche
autumn sorrel
Yeah, maybe in counter-insurgency or against B.O.W.s
desert agate
the A-10 was intended as an aircraft to be thrown at Russian armoured columns until there was either no more armour or no more A-10s
they were designed with considerable redundancy but this was only to reduce permanent losses and keep the fleet going as long as possible, as it was not intended to last long with its mission profile
autumn sorrel
Hmm, real cool calculation there
manic latch
Also the weird assumption that 30mm of her will penetrate roofs of T-64s easily
autumn sorrel
The tungsten ammo can't?
desert agate
realistically the gun was going to be most effective against BMPs and the like
A-10 carried plenty of guided munitions to deal with the tanks
manic latch
The tungsten ammo can't?
They tested it again M47 patrons but
Those are pattons
According to Wiki AP of her pens 55mm from 1.220m
76mm at 300 m
Tho 300m is way damn close
autumn sorrel
So Hellfire for A-10 then, still seem scary enough for me
autumn sorrel
Lad why you defending A-10 <a:floppaletsgoo:1054631064313790485>
I am not, I am trying to understand why it still in service
manic latch
Congress
desert agate
autumn sorrel
Ah, congress
desert agate
yeah it serves no purpose on the modern battlefield its just that maintaining it keeps a few congressmen elected
autumn sorrel
USN really get the concept done right in 1st try
desert agate
it's being retired though
manic latch
Ah, congress
After repeatedly blocking the US Air Force's attempts to retire the A-10 Thunderbolt II, Congress late last year approved a plan to decommission 21 of the venerable ground-attack aircraft, which is the only US military aircraft purpose-built for close air support.
desert agate
tbf akagi was pretty solid
she had design flaws
but after her refit was a pretty reasonable aircraft
manic latch
Why
autumn sorrel
What about Russian still using SU-25? Last I heard, that air frame suffer a lot of combat losses
manic latch
Same reason of A-10 yes
autumn sorrel
Budget?
autumn sorrel
Hmm, Russian CAS doctrine still using that firing rocket in arc?
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Since Su-34 should have replaced her and Su-24 completely
Cute ducks
shrewd pecan
dicks
autumn sorrel
Cute ducks
I saw what you typed there Krem
autumn sorrel
And auto keyboard
Why does it auto to "dicks" Krem?
manic latch
Who ever put U near I will be punished
manic latch
Hmm, Russian CAS doctrine still using that firing rocket in arc?
It's best way to use dumb rockets
More range
shrewd pecan
the dumb rocket high arc tactics
autumn sorrel
It's best way to use dumb rockets
Any specialized aiming sight for that?
shrewd pecan
aren't really all that effective beyond preserving airframes
manic latch
Any specialized aiming sight for that?
Not sure if missile balistic computer does the calculations
I think they do
Known as CCIP
autumn sorrel
I see
Wait, Iran can make their own Igla right?
I imagine they have to reverse engineer it quite sometime ago
manic latch
Iran makes Chinese I think
Yeah
Misagh
Copy of Chinese QW-1M
...
Which is a copy of Igla
Wow
So they copied a copy
autumn sorrel
Remind me of a joke about Saddam "Lion of Babylon" tank, he copy a copy of a copy of Soviet T-72, replace all the armor, NBC system, electronic and even the spall liner inside the tank, he believe his copy is so good that the his elite republican guard armor unit were to use them.
frigid karma
If enemy has no air defense then she works fine
friendly fires troops
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British*
frigid karma
Since 2001, the A-10 has been involved in four friendly fire incidents that killed 10 U.S. troops. The next highest is the B-1B bomber, which killed five soldiers last year in one incident. Friendly fire deaths are exceptionally rare. There have been 45 total friendly fire incidents out of about 140,000 missions flown by the Air Force, Navy and Marines
The A-10 is the aircraft responsible for the most civilian deaths in Afghanistan since 2010, when data started to be collected. Thirty-five people have been killed compared with 19 killed by the Harrier jet, data show.
strong plank
yeah it serves no purpose on the modern battlefield its just that maintaining it...
I've literally run the budget simulations
divesting the A-10 would free up dummy funds for the pentagon
subtle prawn
shrewd pecan
manic latch
Aw man I wanted more leaks
tough quail
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P class
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Heinrich pat
frigid karma
https://wows-blog-storage.gcdn.co/media/437/editor/Fm7uqGBGlInmTdWQYsRmTINIn3X1O...
castilla has 1300mm pen
btw
point blank napoli ap = 650, 650*2 with gimmick is 1.3k
tough quail
i have no idea what that is im just here for p class goodness
manic latch
Smh
ivory ridge
"Handelszerstörer"
manic latch
Current events ain't allowed to be spoken about and that touches on it alot
Also is this the reason you changed your pfp to default Turc? 
tight notch
Also is this the reason you changed your pfp to default Turc? <:hmm:886726902449...
No.
ivory ridge
point blank napoli ap = 650, 650*2 with gimmick is 1.3k
kid named spaced armor:
shrewd pecan
1993
manic latch
subtle prawn
maiden citrus
and then you just ask yourself, compared to whom, I know things like this drive clicks but
the military has always been very self critical, evident in a lot of ww2 papers where they are critical of themselves and demanding bettering despite there being no peer for the system being criticized
subtle prawn
wintry moat
Montana?
delicate beacon
...........
It's in the top right......
Also why are most of the 40mms undirected
maiden citrus
hm, not bad
subtle prawn
delicate beacon
I need to draw the Dutch NY/Texas proposals
runic prairie
Also why are most of the 40mms undirected
Welcome to Shipbucket
subtle prawn
eternal veldt
heh.
eternal veldt
That's not Nurnberg, and also not right if you are referring to the collision
maiden citrus
you mean that isn't tirpitz and a barge in a fjord
frigid karma
That's not Nurnberg, and also not right if you are referring to the collision
wasn't that eugen after the crash
eternal veldt
It's Eugen after her butt ate a British torpedo on her way to Trondheim.
frigid karma
ah
i thought it was from the collision, although I should've probably noticed that was the stern
eternal veldt
The bow collision with Shitzig was less severe.
eternal veldt
buffed out, I guess
maiden citrus
alpine onyx
Shitzig got smacked aside, was written off before the crash, and tried to drag Eugen down to her level
strong plank
and then you just ask yourself, compared to whom, I know things like this drive ...
It’s something the pentagon’s genuinely concerned about
There’s a decent lag time between a technology being developed and it being acquired and fielded
tough quail
its clickbait doe
maiden citrus
it is and regal didn't disprove that, the military is critical of getting better, and always has been, even when it's a system that's a +1 to a former one already without peer, it's a click me headline with nothing particular behind it
solid mango
poor nurnberg
I looked at this, looked at the image, went "oh my"
then asked "wheres Nürnberg" 
runic prairie
The Porter Class rebuilds always looked a little weird to me.
maiden citrus
interesting looking for me, quad bofor over the forward twin 5'' is pretty cool looking
shrewd pecan
subtle prawn
shrewd pecan
I don’t want to imagine maintaining a lock or securing a kill with that set up
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
manic latch
Ah yes
Now they have to choose between a light carrier and a arsenal ship for budget
strong plank
its clickbait doe
yeah the article title is clickbait
but accelerating the adoption of new tech and reforming the process by which it's acquired is something they've been looking into
particularly through reforms to the ppbe process
that's something a group of my classmates have been studying as a project for the PPBE commission
shrewd pecan
Toyota F-35 production methods
shrewd pecan
Now they have to choose between a light carrier and a arsenal ship for budget
Depends on the arsenal ship they go with
Tho it should be far cheaper than the carrier
manic latch
Toyota F-35 production methods
Weird F-35
shrewd pecan
I said that in response to the just in time manufacturing F-35 article, pictures are unrelated
quick shard
question: during the molotov-ribbon pact,did The ussr supply Nazi germany with oil?
manic latch
question: during the molotov-ribbon pact,did The ussr supply Nazi germany with o...
Romania and USSR was the main oil source of Germany
Not sure if USSR one was related to Pact however
manic latch
Oh
Main reason Allies pulled this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tidal_Wave
quick shard
oh i remember that operation
I've forgotten about it since noone really brings it up
quick shard
yep, it was a well know disaster
manic latch
Soviets invading Romania what stopped this oil reaching to Germany later
quick shard
Soviets invading Romania what stopped this oil reaching to Germany later
this fascist country alone can fight any global power if they had oil
heck they even had the guts to challenge Churchill to a Atlantic battle and a war over the skies
ivory ridge
No they can't
shrewd pecan
Nazi germany brought its own destruction upon itself through its own delusions, incompetence and failure to manage conflict escalation
Magically giving it oil isn’t gonna change the fact it decided to pick a fight against the entire globe
manic latch
<:Mrum:971788985632440400>
Dis
runic prairie
There wasn’t even a tenth that number over the target.
ivory ridge
Targeting oil
autumn sorrel
this fascist country alone can fight any global power if they had oil
Even if they have oil, they don't have the manpower
manic latch
Literally for the whole war
Ok seems i made a mistake there yeah
This also includes Norway and Germany
shrewd pecan
Oil isn’t gonna make up for lacking nature of German manufacturing, manpower and the fact it decided to go to war with the entire rest of the globe
chilly osprey
Even if they have oil, they don't have the manpower
Manpower or sheer industrial capacity
Also
Uh
Not starving
Which is not easy for continental Europe when isolated from the rest of the world
manic latch
Ye nobody speaks of how reliant Germany was for food
autumn sorrel
Not starving
Brit gonna throw Anthrax bomb had the war gone for few more yrs just to kill German meat source
autumn sorrel
Ye nobody speaks of how reliant Germany was for food
Their substitute food is stuff of nightmare, for someone who enjoy eating that is
chilly osprey
A little known fact is that despite Germany's material aid to Italy in terms of raw material, they were always in a significant trade imbalance with Italy during WWII just due to the sheer amount of foodstuff they were importing from the Italians
autumn sorrel
Kein Problem
autumn sorrel
A little known fact is that despite Germany's material aid to Italy in terms of ...
Damn, Northern Italy is their bread basket?
quick shard
so
-food
-manpower
-raw mats
were lacking than oil?
chilly osprey
It was a significant source of food for them, at the very least. IDK how much it could be called a breadbasket, since the Germans were also grabbing food from all over Europe (France was a major source of food for the third reich, for example).
autumn sorrel
Test on some island, too effective so they have to quarantine the surrounding islands as well
manic latch
Lebensraum's main focus was getting land to make food
quick shard
good fucking thing im in this group
chilly osprey
so
-food
-manpower
-raw mats
were lacking than oil?
Not so much 'more', but, all of them were major factors
autumn sorrel
Better not even come close to those island, you can be sure with Anthrax
chilly osprey
The Axis declared war on three of the largest industrial powers on the planet
quick shard
im getting a fuckin 100 on mah test bruvs
chilly osprey
They were kind of screwed from the beginning
quick shard
Not so much 'more', but, all of them were major factors
such as maybe other miscellaneous mats?
autumn sorrel
Still a no for me, Anthrax is one of few thing that scare the shit out of me
chilly osprey
In 1938 the three Axis powers (Germany, Italy, Japan) accounted for 20% of the world's manufacturing production. The US, UK, and USSR combined were 55.5% of the world's manufacturing production (60% if you include France).
manic latch
760k German starved to death in 1918 since the Allied blocade of Germany. And Germany lost %13 of its land after ww1
So they wanted to become self sufficient more
autumn sorrel
They lost the Rhineland and all of those war rep hit Germany economy hard
quick shard
hehehe the treaty
quick shard
They lost the Rhineland and all of those war rep hit Germany economy hard
ima save up 1mil reichmarks for som chocolate
autumn sorrel
Annexing Czech help the German production somewhat but only after Speer taking control that you saw German industry became more efficient enough, that and million of slave labour
chilly osprey
German government when you intentionally cause hyperinflation but everyone blames the Entente for it 60 years in the future: 
quick shard
German government when you intentionally cause hyperinflation but everyone blame...
LOL wat
chilly osprey
The Weimar Republic was responsible for the hyperinflation in Germany after WWI, not the British or French
autumn sorrel
LOL wat
Some fucking genius think printing more money will help them pay war rep faster, fucking dumbwitt
quick shard
Some fucking genius think printing more money will help them pay war rep faster,...
whos the idiot who invented that idea?
chilly osprey
Annexing Czech help the German production somewhat but only after Speer taking c...
Tbh, Speer wasn't really that special, he was just really good at making himself look better. German production in 1943 and on benefitted heavily from decisions made in 1941 to expand production capacity and invest in procuring more machine tools.
quick shard
I mean a dollar can probably pay up your taxes in circa 1928
chilly osprey
That and looting the rest of Europe gave Germany its second wind in the mid-late war
remote monolith
Tbh, Speer wasn't really that special, he was just really good at making himself...
he falsified a lot of his reports for wartime productions too so that Hitler only saw imaginary extreme growth
quick shard
Tbh, Speer wasn't really that special, he was just really good at making himself...
dont forget the fat jones goring and prinz henrich himmler
remote monolith
that and what progresses he made were mostly made by pressganging a shitton of slave labor
chilly osprey
Yerp
quick shard
is history for u guys fun to learn or just boring for nerds?
i hate those fucks for saying its for nerds
manic latch
is history for u guys fun to learn or just boring for nerds?
This history you speak of isn't only for ww2 right
autumn sorrel
I used to want to be an archivist, work in my country national archive
chilly osprey
Some fucking genius think printing more money will help them pay war rep faster,...
The whole 'print money to buy foreign currency' thing definitely did a lot of damage, but the real boost was the large campaign of passive resistance the German government sponsered in the Ruhr. The Allies occupied it to obtain reparations payments via hard industrial goods, and the German government told the workers to effectively go on strike and paid them to do it... by printing tons of paper marks, and this is why the situation gets so horrifically bad in 1923.
Helpful graph;
It was entirely self-inflicted.
autumn sorrel
The whole 'print money to buy foreign currency' thing definitely did a lot of da...
Yeah, they fuck themselves, hard to feel sorry for that
remote monolith
and they got a very generous renegotiation out of it
chilly osprey
Yep
autumn sorrel
I guess, the Entete really don't want Communist take over or revolution to break out again so they will be lenient toward Weimar
Even the part of war rep by product is very generous imo
autumn sorrel
That you can blame American for
desert agate
this is useful for my 88 word history essay, danke!
excuse me?
manic latch
So Amax uhh. What's your opinion on Axis Germany
delicate beacon
That's an awfully specific number
autumn sorrel
88? What with it?
remote monolith
its...a bit of an infamous number, especially among Nazis and Neo-Nazis
maiden citrus
mrw thought it was 88mm flak
autumn sorrel
I am not really into Neo-nazis lore
remote monolith
H is the eighth word in alphabet, so 88 is sometimes replacement for HH, Heil Hitler
delicate beacon
8th letter of the alphabet. Put twice it's representitive of a catchphrase used by a certain political party in Germany.
manic latch
mrw thought it was 88mm flak
Nah it's from 14/88 usually
autumn sorrel
German have 15cm Flak? I see it on some wiki about experimental weapon not so sure about the authenticity of it
remote monolith
yeah they had a few, exceedingly rare specimens
the 128mm kanone 44 is already pretty rare
ivory ridge
excuse me?
yeah i was about to ask if anyone was gonna point that out
that message +
all the ones before
dont give me a great opinion of this guy
spring briar
They lost the Rhineland and all of those war rep hit Germany economy hard
France paid back 5 billion francs of war reps in a single year and lost Alsace Lorraine
Yet came out of it better, starting the belle époque
Belgium didn’t get any sort of war rep after ww1 and was practically bombed to the ground from liège to the coast
In the end they came out of it being a world class industrialised nation
Germany came out of WW1 intact, didn’t pay shit of its war rep
Cried and malded
autumn sorrel
So just German being crybaby, noted
spring briar
Their people being misinformed mostly
The politicians are to blame as well as some major economists of the day
cough fucking keynes cough
My point is
The war rep wouldn’t have put a dent in Germany’s ability to care for its citizens if handled properly
But people decided to be stupid instead
humble mulch
this fascist country alone can fight any global power if they had oil
Would like to point out
Romania made a fuck ton of oil, and willingly swapped sides because Germany was just in over their head
Iirc the estimate was that with Romania switching to the allies they shortened the war by ~6 months
Romania also only really got invaded in September Ish of 44, treaty got done in august, and then Soviets were Soviets so of course there was some delay in Romania actually changing sides and merging with the 2nd Ukrainian Front
From 43-44 they were just being pushed out of current Ukrainian and the caucuses
manic latch
Romania also only really got invaded in September Ish of 44, treaty got done in ...
Why I remember Third
humble mulch
So like treaty with Soviets was an armistice
But the Soviet take over Division wasn’t done
So soviet commanders were just taking surrendering Romanians as PoWs even tho they weren’t at war anymore
And well there’s probably only a handful of things worse then being a Soviet PoW
manic latch
humble mulch
Some Soviet commanders did know how to read and understood Romanias position and let a few of their divisions join them right of the bat
Which let them pushed into umm Slovakia as fast as they did
And then Hungry
But yeah Germans main eastern front allies weren’t really industrialized which certainly didn’t help them at all, and they didn’t really like each other either
autumn sorrel
But yeah Germans main eastern front allies weren’t really industrialized which c...
New SD2 DLC explained that for me quite clearly
humble mulch
Like Hungry only was able to make tanks because they kept the automotive industry that the Austrian-Hungarian empire had, but Romania for the most part was incredibly rural “backwater”
manic latch
Why I remember a US president that loved soup
humble mulch
Shout out the Tacams, literally just stolen T-70s with a bigger gun on them being Romanias Main tank/anti tank thing
Romania did have manpower tho
manic latch
Why I remember a US president that loved soup
Ah Millard Fillmore
humble mulch
Hit 1 million troops twice, once in 39 when they lost Bessarabia, and then in 44 when they just drafted every mother fucker
But yeah @quick shard hope you learn stuff here, but keep in mind if people are weird with Germany in here you kinda get put on a watch list. Don’t be afraid to ask questions or for suggestive reading materials, good portion of the guys here are really helpful and well read while not being terminally online
ivory ridge
suggestive reading materials 😳
humble mulch
eternal veldt
suggestive reading materials 😳
50 shades of warship grey, you wanna read it?
manic latch
Suggestive you say
Then I should ask
How often did ships of Roman/Chinese Emperors had harem room inside
manic latch
How often did ships of Roman/Chinese Emperors had harem room inside
Shame what happened to Nemi ships tho
manic latch
Shame what happened to Nemi ships tho
Art is likely bigger than what it was but still
runic prairie
I don’t want to imagine maintaining a lock or securing a kill with that set up
They continued to explore the concept later with the “Sea Apache” concept
Take an Apache, take off its gun, put in an F/A-18 radar, and add more fuel.
manic latch
Bruh just use Cobra
spring briar
But yeah <@1091219630753861632> hope you learn stuff here, but keep in mind if p...
If only people would talk about the hanseatic league or the period of the hre’s german states
But noooo
1918-1945
runic prairie
Bruh just use Cobra
Cobra can’t mount AIM-120.
runic prairie
It was meant to be used on Destroyers/Cruisers/Helicopter Carriers.
runic prairie
Didn't Apache used stingers while Cobra had Aim-9s
Yes, but this was meant for over-the horizon strike/air defense.
manic latch
Ah
desert agate
the kaisers strongest general vs some random civil engineer from a rural backwater
desert agate
back in the day they did
frigid karma
"umm actually ww1 both sides bad"
desert agate
not these days
frigid karma
"rape of belgium? bro thats just british propaganda"
desert agate
the classic wehrb is a dead concept
frigid karma
yeah it's more extreme now
runic prairie
Wehrabooism is a gateway to neo-Nazi sympathies.
desert agate
they dont exist anymore outside little nooks and crannies of the internet
desert agate
theyve all been bullied into shutting up, changed their opinions, or became fascists
runic prairie
theyve all been bullied into shutting up, changed their opinions, or became fasc...
Facts
frigid karma
but in any case yeah kaiserboos are annoying as fuck
though at least they have actual aces to stan for
runic prairie
“B-but muh Stuka killed 10 billion soviet tanks.”
desert agate
the kaisers strongest fighter ace vs some random australian infantryman
spring briar
The entire imperial German army vs some belgians with their king behind a small river
frigid karma
kaiserboos on their way to say jutland was a german victory (their entire family is starving)
runic prairie
When you fail to obtain sea control.
spring briar
Jutland was kind of embarassing tho
frigid karma
Jutland for all intents and purposes in isolation was a german victory
desert agate
bongs are also very annoying when discussing ww1
frigid karma
in a larger context it just couldn't achieve the shift in power germany needed
frigid karma
bongs are also very annoying when discussing ww1
bongs are also very annoying when discussing ww1
desert agate
true
desert agate
but i can find common cause with the bongs everywhere but 1914-18 and 1941-45
and a few other spots
autumn sorrel
bong?
desert agate
cough cough 1976 cough cough
spring briar
Britbongs
runic prairie
in a larger context it just couldn't achieve the shift in power germany needed
Which means it was a defeat. The Germans couldn’t capitalize on their tactical victory, forcing the British blockade to withdraw.
They didn’t deny British Sea Control, much less obtain it for themselves.
autumn sorrel
bongs are also very annoying when discussing ww1
I just learn that Fischer advocate against war on land and opted to cut off German Iron ore trade by tricking German into invade Denmark which in turn allow RN free reign in Denmark strait. Apparently he was too autistic to share that plan with anyone else in the cabinet so they more in favor of war on land
desert agate
*cough cough* 1976 *cough cough*
was quite sad when QE died
not because i liked her god no but because its a shame she didn't die sooner
manic latch
Yeah Kaiserboos act morally superior
desert agate
I just learn that Fischer advocate against war on land and opted to cut off Germ...
not sure how the RN having access to the denmark strait would have helped anyone
given the straits are too shallow for any capital ships to sail through
while the germans have free access to move capital ships around using the kiel canal
runic prairie
bongs are also very annoying ~~when discussing ww1~~
Teaboos are some of the worst because they will advocate that some sort of British Empire continuation should’ve happened even though many of their colonies wanted out from under their boot.
frigid karma
was quite sad when QE died
not because i liked her god no but because its a sham...
pretty sure she only lived that long to outlive her husband
autumn sorrel
given the straits are too shallow for any capital ships to sail through
You forget his Baltic project "light large cuiser"
desert agate
yes the large light cruisers that couldnt fight against another capital ship
spring briar
I’m here just 
desert agate
was a silly idea no matter how you look at it
frigid karma
but why would you even go there
desert agate
they also completed really late in the war
autumn sorrel
yes the large light cruisers that couldnt fight against another capital ship
Not saying that it was a good design but imo, Fischer have a better idea on how to blockade and prevent Germany from obtain strategic resource than fighting a meat grinder on the Western front
desert agate
but the blockade itself was already working
autumn sorrel
but the blockade itself was already working
Did it stop the Iron ore trade?
spring briar
Sweden will never be forgiven
desert agate
and by the time the British have the ships that can get through the denmark strait, not only will they immediately be forced to retreat the moment the high seas fleets battlecruisers sail out (making them very ineffective blockade enforcers) the war is basically lost for the Germans anyway
autumn sorrel
Sweden will never be forgiven
Yes, hate the Swede
desert agate
if you want to enforce a blockade you need a force capable of overwhelming the enemy naval force
the courageous class, all 2 of them that completed as designed, could not achieve this
yes they can certainly outrun the german battlecruisers but that hardly helps them to enforce the blockade
autumn sorrel
Eh, you're right about the ship but does Fischer plan have merit?
desert agate
no, because you need the ships to enforce the plan
spring briar
Fisher agreed with France in that Gallipoli should’ve been a land campaign
desert agate
the plan doesnt work without the ships, dragging denmark into the war does nothing but drag a few thousand men away from the eastern front
desert agate
Fisher agreed with France in that Gallipoli should’ve been a land campaign <:Ble...
and look how well that turned out
spring briar
No
The Dardanelles was ruined because the scouts were sent way too early
Turks had time to bolster defence of the strait
autumn sorrel
Fisher agreed with France in that Gallipoli should’ve been a land campaign <:Ble...
Isn't that one on Churchill? Fischer have to agree with him and provide only technical assistance
spring briar
Isn't that one on Churchill? Fischer have to agree with him and provide only tec...
No.
desert agate
the dardanelles was ruined because they attempted to force the straits without any prior planning
spring briar
Churchill wanted naval campaign followed by amphibious landing
Corbett, Fisher and France wanted a land campaign
autumn sorrel
the dardanelles was ruined because they attempted to force the straits without a...
And somehow thinking parking Dreadnought under Istanbul will make the Turk go to their side
spring briar
Which would have started on the Western bank
desert agate
the 1914 bombardment of the dardanelles was not intended to precede an amphibious landing
desert agate
the idea behind it, which was supported by the French was that the battle fleet would sail up the dardanelles, park in the Bosporus and tell the turks where to shove it
an actual landing was never considered until after that plan failed
frigid karma
I’m about to destroy you
richie i know you're french, but you really must do this in private spaces
put your pants back on
desert agate
Well you're not because the French lost 2 battleships on the 18th of March and there was absolutely no preparations made for the landing
autumn sorrel
<:BuckyStare:588629690919550997> richie i know you're french, but you really mus...
Qwerty dirty mind, ew
spring briar
It was Churchill’s idea to send a fleet of obsolescent ships into a narrow mine filled channel instead of using it to fire support in the Belgian coast and Baltic
spring briar
France always was for the idea of going for a land war against the Ottomans
desert agate
and there also was only a single line of mines
spring briar
Also wdym 2 french battleships were lost on march 18
Only Bouvet
The other two were HMS Irresistable and HMS Ocean
desert agate
wait i thought ocean was french my b
remote monolith
If only people would talk about the hanseatic league or the period of the hre’s ...
more high middle ages bitte
spring briar
And yes these ships predate QE by 20 odd years
remote monolith
like that time the Teutonic order turned crusades into an outdoor experience tour for nobles because they needed money but religious crusades aren't popular anymore
remote monolith
all you need is to pay the fee, then you can travel to the baltics, join up with the Order, and even burn a Pagan village or two
you'll get to be called a Crusader AND maybe an honor from the Order depending on how many you christianized/burn to death
desert agate
realistically any landing at the dardanelles strait was foolish
remote monolith
this particular activity is pretty popular among French and English nobles throughout the Hundred Year War
spring briar
The French Minister of Justice, Aristide Briand, proposed in November to attack the Ottoman Empire but this was rejected and an attempt by the British to bribe the Ottomans to join the Allied side also failed.
desert agate
even if it had been properly organised and planned, it would have met the same stubborn resistance and would not have proceeded much further up the peninsular
desert agate
thats gay but thats okay
desert agate
they werent majorly unprepared though
Constantinople had a considerable garrison that could easily be deployed to the peninsular
Kemal had taken command of the 19th division which was in the area in January 1915
realistically no well planned landing is taking place before June
frigid karma
speaking of ottomans
BF1 somehow thinks a british defeat in the sinai would've seen the ottomans turn away from the central powers?
desert agate
even if we can assume that planning for a landing starts as soon as the Ottomans enter the war in November 1914, its going to take minimum 6-9 months to prepare and train a proper landing
spring briar
It was a risky operation even without the accidental reveal by sending in a fleet prematurely
desert agate
i seriously doubt there was any scenario in which the Gallipoli campaign can be brought to a successful conclusion even if you give the entente every benefit of the doubt
the terrain is simply not conducive to any successful operations
spring briar
A land campaign in the period where the ottomans weren’t too sure who to join would’ve been a pretty safe option compared to what it turned into
Send me to the Western front
I want to bomb them from the Belgian coast
strong plank
strap me to a shell and fire me at the germans, I am ready
desert agate
the Turks have the high ground on the beaches, they have the high ground once the troops scale those heights they have the high ground, once you get through that high ground, guess what, theres more high ground
strong plank
through the snow
delicate beacon
Richie the area you lived was flat.
desert agate
A land campaign in the period where the ottomans weren’t too sure who to join wo...
that would have been difficult to convince the political leadership of
spring briar
Richie the area you lived was flat.
Mathematically that counts
desert agate
other than churchill but churchill would do anything to shoot some brown people
spring briar
that would have been difficult to convince the political leadership of
Well yes that was my initial point
Smarties in lower positions got ignored
frigid karma
the Turks have the high ground on the beaches, they have the high ground once th...
and that's why they sent australians, because the high ground to the australians is the low ground
spring briar
By picklebrains
frigid karma
desert agate
and even so a landing before november gives you what, 2-3 months from the opening of hostilities with the germans and the ottomans historically declaring war
desert agate
yes
autumn sorrel
Where 2 of you were sent to Gallipoli?
desert agate
oh boy i love dying on a pointless front of a more pointless war for a foreign king and a foreign flag
spring briar
Cope
desert agate
68'000 Australians died in WW1, the AIF suffered more casualties as a total percentage of its force than any other country
and for what?
spring briar
frigid karma
cool uniforms
frigid karma
68'000 Australians died in WW1, the AIF suffered more casualties as a total perc...
what about the serbs?
iirc, a pretty large % of them also died
spring briar
68'000 Australians died in WW1, the AIF suffered more casualties as a total perc...
Like I get it
Thank you for your sacrifice
But man
It was ultimately worth
desert agate
was it?
frigid karma
prime radish
I’d rather go back to my family than be remembered by them tbh
desert agate
i sincerely do not believe that Australias sacrifice in WW1 was in any way shape or form worth it
half a generation wiped out
and for what
what did we gain but a few holes in the ground?
delicate beacon
Churchills fragile ego
frigid karma
rise of japanese nationalism ig
autumn sorrel
ww1 radicalized many colony into Independent
spring briar
Doomposting moment
frigid karma
"Marching those colonial troops off to kill ze germans" is always worth it
yes, we know richie
you dont like germany
autumn sorrel
Richie will be fine with nuking Germany, right Richie?
frigid karma
ww1 was an inevitable, but fucking pointless war
prime radish
ww1 was an inevitable, but fucking pointless war
Agreed
desert agate
all the accolades and battle honours wont bring back the dead
autumn sorrel
Oh yeah, French too close to Germany, Radiation and stuff
frigid karma
it's the natural culmination of a bunch of old imperial colonial powers with chronic diarrhea trying to wrestle each other and shitting all over the rest of the world
desert agate
what right did the British have to send the sons of Australia to die
frigid karma
the only good thing that came out of it is a fucking amazing battlefield game
desert agate
so that a king on the other side of the world can sit on a slightly bigger throne?
autumn sorrel
what right did the British have to send the sons of Australia to die
Apparently making colony out of the barren continent is enough in their mind
frigid karma
Hit, if you could make one DLC to bf1, which would it be?
spring briar
He’s doomposting