history

[eternal veldt]

It took the Brits until Vanguard to finally get a very good seakeeping ship.

[manic latch]

Stalingrad too

[eternal veldt]

And that is by raising the sheer of the ship and subsequently, losing any directly-forward-firepower, which was not liked by many people.

[alpine onyx]

where is that pic of Scharnhorst's bow being covered in ice...

[eternal veldt]

It's also why many British destroyers have a massive forward bow, I think

just to fight Atlantic conditions

Sending a boat like the refitted chonkers into the Atlantic is...yikes.

[manic latch]

Kgv bow incident

[eternal veldt]

But yea, hydrodynamics is very complicated, certainly not a topic of my league

Block coefficency, metracentric height, stability, draft, sheer. flare, list, trim, enough jargon to give me a headache

[alpine onyx]

With how hydrodynamics can end up being impossible to do on paper and rely solely on practical application

it's beyond plenty of leagues

[maiden citrus]

ain't that the truth

hydrodynamics designed for speed stump me

[manic latch]

@spring briar

[maiden citrus]

hence my ships in ss all use standard hull form as closely as possible

[eternal veldt]

best I can do

[thorn trail]

would the type of hull used on the Zumwalts (tumblehome right?) have worked in the dreadnought era? afaik a lot of French pre-dreads used tumblehome

[eternal veldt]

And when you think the ship is perfect, it doesn't

Littorios on paper should be perfect, but trial shows that the bow isn't thick enough and kicked up massive amount of waves

[alpine onyx]

and then your shafts supports end up causing unforseen turbulences and you need to yeet the ship into drydock asap

[eternal veldt]

modification was required

[alpine onyx]

or suddenly the entire thing vibrates like mad

[eternal veldt]

oi Riche, explain French pre-dreadnoughts

[maiden citrus]

ram bow perfect

[eternal veldt]

Worth mentioning here is one of the British specialties: The cruisers' "Trawler' bows

[spring briar]

The US also had em to bomb Vietnam
And aforementioned french prototype APDS

[eternal veldt]

Virtually every WW2 British cruiser has a predominant "knuckle" on their bow, with a sleek bow beneath

[spring briar]

What aspect

[eternal veldt]

tumblehome, someone asked above

[spring briar]

Oh

The tumblehome on the early french pre dreads was used to improve the firing arcs of the wing guns

[eternal veldt]

But yea, just adding to this - The brits had seakeeping issues with the C-class cruisers, so this trawler bow thing was added mid-construction. It worked out surprisingly well, so every ship following that used it.

[alpine onyx]

and if it works, don't touch it

[spring briar]

And to improve the ship’s rolling for more accurate firing

[eternal veldt]

Someone questioned "but can we really not use it"?

[frigid karma]

1917 French poster

Why is it called envoy of god tho

[eternal veldt]

"OK, here's the test, no trawler bow."

[frigid karma]

[spring briar]

Accurate

[eternal veldt]

"OK, it doesn't have any real advantage. Fuck off. back to the trawler bow."

[maiden citrus]

power to wave generation is important

as it's basically wasted energy from your engines

[thorn trail]

how did it work in real world conditions? like were there downsides with using tumblehome compared to a normal hull

[spring briar]

Yes

The ships listed a lot when turning sharply

And they are more vulnerable to flooding

The flooding vulnerability was diminished by always including a fully armoured waterline

So shells would not be able to do what they did to say, Oslyabaya

But still very vulnerable to mines and torps

See, Bouvet

[eternal veldt]

Also, tumblehome kinda has that slight problem

Sorry Riche, have to show Bubnov's again

This kind of hull in longer distance is just inviting more steeply angled shells to more easily penetrate your horizontal protection.

[spring briar]

The armor slope you mean

[eternal veldt]

yes, since the topic was on "whether if it is good in the dreadnought age."

[spring briar]

Well

Most dreadnoughts had armor sloping inward

And since the belts on french pre dreads was installed where the tumblehome was pretty much 90 degrees to the waterline it didn’t slope a lot

But fair argument for the upper side plates

[spring briar]

Nowhere near this

[manic latch]

Virenus's 1915 design still my favorite for Tsar Era

[spring briar]

Is that

800mm

[manic latch]

Nah likely 500

[spring briar]

Or 600

500mm

Haha 260mm turret roof

Still not beating 270mm

[manic latch]

She cute tho

[spring briar]

Littorio x Normandie turret on a Franco German style hull

Wtf

[manic latch]

406mm ye

[spring briar]

Holy shells

[quick shard]

I thought those were speed boats ngl-

[shut wren]

they put special steel and boom boom in the first one

[spring briar]

Ofc

[junior trench]

the RN designed for the North Atlantic so much they gave the KGVs a flat bow which was notorious for shipping water whenever given the chance

https://tenor.com/view/really-justin-timberlake-close-up-judging-you-intense-judgment-gif-11823466

this "designed/not designed for the Atlantic" canard really needs to die, especially when navies with global interests are the ones being discussed

[alpine onyx]

The KGVs have more of a general issue with making compromises to account for events that'd never occur

Flat bow to shoot at 0° over the bow, which never happened

Larger than effectively usable dp battery to engage DDs, which they never saw

[shut wren]

what do canards on planes do actually

[eternal veldt]

I guess they have breakwaters to deal with it somewhat, but of course still not ideal

The real dumbassery of RN is really having a prolonged debate over 0 degree firing

[spring briar]

A bit of extra manoeuvrability control

They are practically mandatory on missiles to make micro adjustments

[junior trench]

the actual value of canards on inherently unstable air frames is... questionable

but as we have yet to see any inherently unstable missiles...

[spring briar]

When not doing wild shit canards will just be at a 0 degree aoa, and basically have a net force of 0 working on them

If you have thrust vectoring you don’t need canards at all

[dapper parcel]

Canard will cause instability even at 0 deflection

This is always an inverted pendulum type of situation, only with nonlaminar flow for added chaos

[thorn trail]

canards due to moving the center of lift forward of center of mass will always induce instability

[thorn trail]

nah plane lifting surfaces still produce lift at 0 aoa

[spring briar]

More or less zero net force

Ree

[thorn trail]

no not 0 net force. they still produce a decent amount of lift due to aerofoil shaping

[shut wren]

so like

canards reduce the stealth n shit on the J-20 right

[spring briar]

[thorn trail]

canards are never at 0 AoA in normal flight tho

even in normal flight at 0 AoA there's still enough change in the flow of the wind over the canard that they don't have 0 net force in normal flight

unless the canard is a symmetrical airfoil which no one uses for planes these days anymore and is usually only used in helicopters, then it still has a non zero net force

[manic latch]

Jiangnan Shipyard which is building Type 003 CV releases illustration of PLAN's Nuclear Powered CV

[spring briar]

I get it. You like being pedantic

[shut wren]

003 isnt a CVN

[manic latch]

Can you actually read

Pleasw

[shut wren]

no

lmao

I was trolling yea i know

[spring briar]

Krem and I having our patience be tested

[ivory ridge]

[shut wren]

The way he worded it was confusing ok

[delicate beacon]

Random P1047 docs found

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0cvxrAkbbE

[spring briar]

Share lmao

@tough quail guess who’s going to the 12 hours of Francorchamp on the 6th of May

With free food and drinks

[delicate beacon]

https://invenio.bundesarchiv.de/invenio/direktlink/4b1ff973-424f-4893-86a4-743e0dbfc4ef/
145+
Still reading it. Seems to be about Marine Attaché Techel learning the Dutch talked with the Italians

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-8qqDJWvXw

[delicate beacon]

Not much apparently

[tough quail]

Ayyyy nice

[quick shard]

Wait this existed?

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1644348347791097856

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1945, the massive battleship Yamato sank after being hit by numerous bombs and torpedoes from U.S. carrier-based aircraft. The 2005 big-budget Japanese film YAMATO follows members of the crew as they are sent on the fateful mission to engage allied forces at Okinawa.

▶ Play video

Twitter · Apr 7, 2023, 2:36 PM

[delicate beacon]

My god

28 cm Sturmmörser auf Fahrgestell 38 (t) mit vorverlegtem Motor

[manic latch]

@tough quail Early concept of Mi-28

Wish Soviets stick go this design ngl

[quick shard]

aint she the one who snuck in scapa flow?

[shrewd pecan]

the better Mi-28

[tough quail]

thats rad

[shut wren]

osprey

[manic latch]

"Osprey"

[shut wren]

other one looked more like it bruh

[manic latch]

Soviets had Tranverse Rotor design since 1946

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Model_1-G
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_X-22
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_XV-15

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_XV-3

[shut wren]

and

[manic latch]

Rip X-1 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platt-LePage_XR-1

Ah you counted tiltrotors

[shrewd pecan]

the US has

so many god damn prototypes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiller_X-18

of various VTOL types

[shut wren]

coolshit

it look like a train car

[shrewd pecan]

https://twitter.com/LockheedMartin/status/1644381055976079369?s=20

Lockheed Martin (@LockheedMartin)

Built by our engineers, the @USArmy's first Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon system was deployed in February to Cape Canaveral for a full rehearsal of expeditionary hypersonic launch capabilities.

Twitter · Apr 7, 2023, 4:46 PM

[glass trail]

i read that name wrong

[shrewd pecan]

Hitler X-18?

[glass trail]

[shrewd pecan]

that does imply something indecent

[shut wren]

💀

[shrewd pecan]

I was making a sex with Hitler joke and you escalated it to that

[shut wren]

oh

[glass trail]

wait what wheres the hitler sex joke

[shut wren]

I didnt pick the joke up ig

[glass trail]

??

[shrewd pecan]

Hitler X-18?

X18?

[glass trail]

OH

[shut wren]

ye

[glass trail]

well i didnt think of either of your jokes

[shut wren]

[glass trail]

i just saw hitler and that was the end of it

[shut wren]

well uhh

welp i cant say what i was boutta say

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1644387877860540441?s=20

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Happy #NationalBeerDay. In 1944, the minelayer HMS Menestheus was converted into a floating brewery for British personnel in the Pacific, producing 250 barrels of Davy Jones ale a week. The Royal Navy rejected an offer from the U.S. Navy to buy Menestheus for £1 million.

Twitter · Apr 7, 2023, 5:13 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROCSdQ8FKr8

[spring briar]

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv7cfuJ3-uI

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79F_Mu4-oQk

[thorn trail]

I want to nitpick that he called TF58's Admiral as Marc Fitscher instead of Marc Mitscher

[spring briar]

@manic latch just discovered a french screw steamship called Navarin

[spring briar]

@eternal veldt

74 gun being the F-35 of its age

[frozen shoal]

I just looked up tenrai out of curiosity and apparently it's actually a fighter?

[frigid karma]

i think unironically, BF1 has a more realistic / immersive naval simulator than WT or WoWs

which is impressive because there's a grand total of 3 (4 if you count the landing craft) ship types in game

[shut wren]

Nobody plays WT naval

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=571OpfoyZXg

[chilly flower]

Yes- its placement as a dive bomber is largely a consequence of Wargaming
Historically, the J5N was a prototype Interceptor entirely geared towards combatting the B-29 threat, and had very little Fighter-Bomber capability (It could only carry a single 250 Kg (551 Ib) bomb for reference, terribly little (as a dive-bomber, 3 x 800 kg bombs, and as a TB made to carry a 1,052 kg torpedo) in comparison to what its forced to carry in WoWS (and by extension AL, where it has been brought in due to PR waves being collabs with WoWS)
While twin-engine, prop driven aircraft on WW2 era Carriers were very much becoming a thing by very late war to postwar (speaking in regards of true Carrier-capable aircraft, like the F7F and Sea Hornet), Wargaming has an obsession with putting them on CVs whenever possible, often when they don't make very much sense, or are a stretch at best, and the J5N is an example of that (combined with them often neither thinking things through nor looking very deep while trying to fill gaps for aircraft in some trees)
What doesn't help the J5N's case in particular is how it was also largely a failure, not achieving its design speed even after revisions and improvements were made, and while the Ki-83 and Ki-96 could perhaps be better performance wise, it doesn't fix the Fighter-Bomber problem, and they're Army planes anyways whereas the J5N's one of many Navy land-based Interceptors

I'm honestly convinced that the P1Y would make for an infinitely better choice if they want to have a twin-engine on Hak that badly, at least as a torpedo bomber
...would look a helluva lot better too, Tenrai's kinda ugly imo though I am biased towards the Ginga/Frances here

[frozen shoal]

ahh that was a very comprehensive answer, thank you so much!

[shut wren]

Wasn’t Mig-15 designed to intercept US bombers

[chilly flower]

Yes?

[shut wren]

just comfirminf

[chilly flower]

Continuing on
They really should've just gone with the supposed Aichi B8A Mokusei for TBs tbh
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/aichi-b8a-mokusei-am-26.3905/

As for a proper dive-bomber replacement?
Kugisho drew one up, if they don't feel like also just using the B8A for the role (which it should be capable of anyways iirc, being the B7A successor
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/yokosuka-kugisho-high-speed-long-range-carrier-based-dive-bomber.27567/

[subtle prawn]

They did use to have another DB called the Wakusei, but it was removed as of the CV rework in WoWS. Remind me Pretz, which project did it resemble again?

[chilly flower]

Exactly this one, funnily enough iirc
At least in name, I haven't seen the model for when it was around

...which if it is actually the Kugisho DB, why did they replace it with weird-ass, multirole J5Ns?

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HleEsXboI4o

[shut wren]

How does NATO show their naval assets on a map?

[delicate beacon]

Pennants I'd imagine

[shut wren]

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6PvVP3AsqQ

[subtle prawn]

So apparently, the J5Ns were actually modeled in a trailer since at least 2017…

[chilly flower]

So.. why did they remove the Wakusei then?

WG continues to work in mysterious and asinine ways

[subtle prawn]

Good question, I wish I knew how their minds work

[glass trail]

that armors got attitude

[delicate beacon]

Same reason the De Zeven Provinciën uses prewar fokker T.Vs with neutrality markings.

[frigid karma]

wargaming has a strange fascination with making interceptors into their intended targets

GZ's Ta-152s, for instance, are also torpedo bombers and dive bombers

The fighters, ironically, are Bfs

[delicate beacon]

Soon I will have my G.Is, G.II, G.III, Fokker D.23 and T8

[frigid karma]

New Jersey (Retrofit)

[chilly flower]

I honestly don't take as much issue with the Ta-152s-
Surprisingly enough, the C-1/R14 model isn't fictional, and other variants/modifications exist or were planned that could carry ordinance (do remember that the Ta 152 is merely an extension/evolution of the Fw 190 D, which itself could still carry a decent amount of ordinance even if they weren't on the same level as the "Jabo" Fighter-Bomber variants as some of the later 190 As), and while it is geared towards being an Interceptor, it was also still largely an improvement for the sake of performance, with a large gain in not just high-altitude but low altitude performance over the 190 A, as with the 190 Ds

Its still odd don't get me wrong, but I don't see it as much of a stretch in comparison to other choices, both within the same German CV line (which itself doesn't have much to work with for obvious reasons), and other lines

-reminder that the Soviet CV line has three different twin-engine projects for torpedo bomber upgrades between T6 to T10

From Serov's goofy-ass G-37 transports being given torps, to Pobeda's Ta-3 interceptors, to (most painfully for me because the stock TBs are one of the few dedicated Carrier-borne projects, the PT-1 deserves better dammit ) Nakhimov's prewar, VIT-2 ground attack aircraft

[ivory ridge]

[shrewd pecan]

also IVAS 1.2

[quick shard]

exclusive for the Graf Zeppelin right?

[frigid karma]

and mvr

[shrewd pecan]

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/04/us-army-waves-green-flag-for-infantry-squad-vehicle-full-rate-production
warthog

[shut wren]

Wait so

is posting military news allowed

[frigid karma]

as long as it's not related to the war that shall not be named

[shut wren]

So like I can steal stuff from Pineapple man thats related to the Island that starts with the letter thats between S and U?

[cinder escarp]

You can post procurement news, design updates and such.

But nothing about like events.

[frigid karma]

Also he's literally just a wumao

[shut wren]

Ik yea

[frigid karma]

Even if you could post his deranged takes on current events falling under politics

he's fucking stupid and contributes nothing

[shut wren]

yea I know

Its just some PLA announcement about some excerize

fuck cant spell right

[frigid karma]

So the day after I read this i'm browsing alg for more concept art and

I come across a antisemitic textwall rant by NJ

I'm scared of your power

[tough quail]

Based

[desert agate]

just like a certain Z fuckwit inhabiting this channel

[shut wren]

Hmm i wonder who

[frigid karma]

hey....i'm not a z fuckwit

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

[desert agate]

who said i was talking about you

[frigid karma]

i was joking

that's what the was for

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

i think i just got fucking mandellad because i thought that was fucking monty being mad

[frigid karma]

that does look like monty

[desert agate]

I'm also like fucking blind so I can only go off her eyes

Fuck I need glasses

[manic latch]

Least aggresive AL server talk

[solid mango]

Dont worry, I too at times, have mistaken that for Monty

[eternal veldt]

I don't think F-35 is a good enough analogy to the 74 - a WW2 cruiser, more like, I think

74s are still pretty expensive, and require quite a bit of manpower

Im thinking something closer to a sixth rate/fifth rate frigate - Those are more a captain's favourites - speedy, good armament, and most importantly, allowed for independent operation

Mercury/Mekuria is still one of my favourite smaller ships

[manic latch]

[subtle prawn]

https://theaviationist.com/2023/04/07/re-engined-b-52-to-be-designated-the-b-52j/

[eternal veldt]

I still dont know how she manages to get away from it.

200+ holes in the rigging and sails, 30+ in the hull

Casualties:4 killed

Most well trained Ottoman squadron

[dusty kraken]

at this rate we'll still have the B-52 serving in the 41st millennium

[frigid karma]

B-52: paying the salaries of SAM crews since 1975

[manic latch]

[frigid karma]

TIL

Sour patch kids are canonically nazis

[manic latch]

Took me 10 mins to realize this was an American thing

Interesting ad yes

[desert agate]

Sorry I'm just not a fan of fascists

Would you like me to post some Syrians getting beaten to death with a sledgehammer instead? Would that be more palatable for you?

[frigid karma]

[manic latch]

The fuck happening

[frigid karma]

Truly wonder how people like that eugen guy are allowed on this server

[desert agate]

some people intentionally ignore it which legitimises other Oreo looking fucks to come out of the woodworks

[manic latch]

Imagine eating oreo over gummy bear

[frigid karma]

Just eat chocolate like a normal person

[manic latch]

Which one

[frigid karma]

Idk

[maiden citrus]

I'd just eat all of the above

oreos, chocolate, gummy bears, just have them all

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrAnMvh-HM

[manic latch]

https://youtu.be/Z0JtJNiqOGw

[shut wren]

[quick shard]

Change topic to uniforms?

[worn ginkgo]

yeah german ww2 commander uniform had drip

[shut wren]

I like British commando uniforms

[quick shard]

Strumtruppen uniform

i heard japan named there under construction carrier kaga

any blueprints?

[manic latch]

Kaga was finished in 2017 what

[quick shard]

oop nvm

[desert agate]

Dripping from a fucking noose

[ivory ridge]

[desert agate]

Now there's some real drip

[quick shard]

charge into the ottoman trenchs

[desert agate]

Wrong war

That's 7th division on parade in Cairo before returning to Australia to fight the Japanese

[shut wren]

whats the 7th division

I like the british WW2 commandos

[desert agate]

7th Division 2nd Australian Imperial Force

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

2nd division to be raised in the 2nd AIF and one of the most decorated Allied units, among the few Allied divisions to fight the Germans, Italians, Vichy French and Japanese

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

Was the subject of quite a fair amount of political drama between Churchill, Curtin and Roosevelt over Australia's contribution to the war

Churchill would have the convoy carrying the 7th back to Australia ordered to head to Ceylon, completely behind Curtins back, after he had just fought to have the division withdrawn from North Africa leading to a degradation of relations between the two nations

[silver crest]

what the actual fuck happened at the battle of yultong

[shut wren]

the chinese had shit equipment

[silver crest]

900 vs 40000

shit is insane

[shut wren]

It wasnt the entire 15th Division IIRC

[silver crest]

wiki states like 2k

instead of the reported 40k

[shut wren]

imma go look at PLA sources

hmm

[shut wren]

Yea shit was crazy

[silver crest]

how shit of an equipment do you have to have to get 40x the amount of casualties than the enemy

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/Aviation_Intel/status/1644646231522811904?s=20

Tyler Rogoway (@Aviation_Intel)

Let’s be honest, the F-22 force is a silver bullet combat capability. Anyone that argues it’s not is in denial. Roughly 125 combat capable jets, roughly half mission capable at any given time. Imagine what that availability rate will look like in a sustained conflict? USAF says…

Likes

353

Twitter · Apr 8, 2023, 10:19 AM

[shut wren]

I meannn

Human wave attacks dont work ig

[shut wren]

Ok so this Might be able to explain No idea if it has anything to do with it

so uhh

iirc so at the time PVA soldiers only had 7 days of food and rations n shit,and after 7 days of advances and fighting,they stopped for 7 days for resupply and stuff,and at that time,a New tactic was used by the US to pull back to strech the supply lines thin and apply pressure using Bombers to attack supply lines,correct me if im wrong

[silver crest]

[shut wren]

But i doubt that explains it as Yultong was much closer to the location where the PVA reached furthest soo

[shut wren]

Funny soviet thingy

[shut wren]

Whats the name?

[quick shard]

why did i read that as "7th panzer division"

[shut wren]

might wanna get that checked for signs of having weharboo

[quick shard]

oh shit ._.

[worn ginkgo]

didnt asked but ok mister simper

[ivory ridge]

[tight notch]

[desert agate]

what

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

was that some kind of attempt at a roast?

[shut wren]

The smartest wheraboo mind is incapable of attempting to roast people

[worn ginkgo]

i dont even know a single fkin roast

how was that a roast

bruh

[desert agate]

i cant comprehend what else it could possibly be

certainly wasnt a compliment

[shut wren]

Yo spon

How did you come up with the name spon deedle

[desert agate]

don speedle

[worn ginkgo]

what

[desert agate]

its an old meme

from putting don cheadles head on characters whose names rhymed with his

so i did graf spee on don cheadle

don speedle

[remote monolith]

no freaking way

[desert agate]

omg this is epic!!!!11111oneoneone

[remote monolith]

111111

[shut wren]

[shut wren]

West Java,near where they found Java man

[delicate beacon]

Dutch faction confirmed

[manic latch]

Oh damn I forgot about it

War thunder's new ship, Project68Zif Shcherbakov is not just a Sverdlov with quad 45mms

But she also has 70mm deck. Unlike 10mms of normal Sverdlov

So she is best Sverdlov for Long range fights, while Kutuzov is best for AA

[shut wren]

Nobody plays naval

[manic latch]

Who asked

Stfu

[shut wren]

About your shit boat

[manic latch]

Plaaf

Why are you here

If you aren't interested on knowing about boats

[shut wren]

#history

The history bruh

The planes n shit

[manic latch]

So what the fuck are you complaining about

[shut wren]

The fact that nobody fucking plays naval

[manic latch]

Ok you are trolling

[shut wren]

Kinda

People play naval for monies

[spring briar]

[shrewd pecan]

🤨

[shut wren]

JSDAF F-15?

[manic latch]

It has the Insignia of Japan Air Self-Defense Force so

Should be Italian air force plane

[shut wren]

Yes but what’s the plane

[alpine onyx]

@manic latch is that 70mm deck historical?

[inland thicket]

Australian Rats of Tobruk have drip

[desert agate]

fuck i actually got the division wrong

those guys were 9th not 7th

[manic latch]

Everywhere i look it says Sverdlov and Bis-Zif had 50mm deck so weirdly no for now

Wouldn't be first time WT did weird shit with deck armor of ships tho

[shut wren]

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1644751954713640963

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1970, the "Doomsday Ship" USS Northampton (CLC-1) was decommissioned. Laid down as a heavy cruiser in 1944, the Northampton was converted into a command ship that would serve as the "Floating White House" to direct a retaliatory strike in the event of a nuclear attack.

Twitter · Apr 8, 2023, 5:19 PM

[desert agate]

It was the end of the war, and the AIF were on parade. First came the 6th
Division, war worn and grim. No chocolate soldiers there!
Then the 7th,
also showing marks of a hard campaign.
Then the 8th, all spruce and neat
in their natty tropical suits, and finally, the 10th, who had been charged
with the defence of Australia—looking as if they had just come from the
tailors!
Crowds cheered, flags waved and Mr Spender’s chest swelled with
pride.
Suddenly, Mr Fadden said, ‘I say! Spender! Where is the 9th
Division?’ Mr Spender’s face grew pale.
He clutched his head and said,
‘GOOD GOD! I FORGOT! THEY ARE STILL IN TOBRUK!’

FURPHY FLYER, 2/24TH AUSTRALIAN INFANTRY, 6 SEPTEMBER 1941

[shut wren]

Chocolate soldiers?????

[desert agate]

its a phrase used by Australian troops to describe the younger divisions/militia troops

[shut wren]

Ohhhh

[desert agate]

theyre chocolate because they'll melt when the heat is on supposedly

[shut wren]

I though that meant something very different

[desert agate]

no mate

[shut wren]

Phew

Anyways

How does Australia number their aircraft

[desert agate]

in what way

[shut wren]

Like the numbers n stuff what do they mean

[desert agate]

what numbers specifically

because theres a lot of ways that question can be interpreted

[shut wren]

Like this for examples

[desert agate]

like the big number on this Wirraway, 326 is because the aircrafts serial is A20-326

[shut wren]

What do the numbers and letters mean

[desert agate]

just a designation

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

A41-206 is just the RAAF serial number

RAAF uses its own serial system

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

originally USAF 06-0206

factory serial number 50167

fuselage F-166

[shut wren]

How do you find this shit

[dreamy vector]

Why am I getting goosebumps of F-14's

[desert agate]

wouldnt you like to know

[dreamy vector]

Ay don't try and steal blueprints you sneaky.

[desert agate]

nah look there's a website that lists almost all of the equipment that ADF has ever operated by serial number

gives as much history on that piece of equipment as possible

[shut wren]

It’s my duty as a war thunder player

[desert agate]

mainly for aircraft

[shut wren]

gib

[dreamy vector]

I feel like it's a duty as a war thunder player to steal PLA blueprints.

[desert agate]

@ivory ridge C.202 Folgore captured by the RAAF used by 3SQN

[ivory ridge]

Plon

[shut wren]

I’m not tryna get shot

I’m Chinese

[desert agate]

it's called adf serials but it's not a brilliantly made website

the front page is broken for example

[dreamy vector]

It's AI generated (Real)

[ivory ridge]

[desert agate]

no it's just very old, made by veterans and not using the most modern of technology

[dreamy vector]

I walk on watermelons, which is 95% water and since god can walk on water, I'm 95% god.

[desert agate]

it's purely html basically

SM-81 captured

it's a cool little website tells you the crews, what happened to the aircraft and known fates

[shut wren]

No comment

[desert agate]

and it's basically all of the RAAFs aircraft

RAAF had over 6000 planes in WW2

[shut wren]

[shut wren]

What about F-16s

[desert agate]

what F-16s

The Americans may steal our pilots but that doesn't mean the planes they end up in are ours

[shut wren]

You guys didn’t get F-16s?

I though all US Allies got F-16s

[desert agate]

no

RAAF never wanted F-16

not enough payload or range

[unreal elbow]

Beauty

[shut wren]

Y’all got F-35s right

[desert agate]

also at the time of the program to replace the Mirage, RAAF didn't want another single engined fighter due to the immense losses the airframe took

[desert agate]

yes

72 with another squadron on the cards

[shut wren]

[dreamy vector]

Bismarck survivors as prisoners of war after their arrival in Britain in May 1941. Out of a crew of more than 2,200 only 115 survived.

[shut wren]

We need to get some of those

[desert agate]

no, you don't

anyway yeah RAAF was never going to buy F-16 after losing over a third of the Mirage fleet

[shut wren]

J-20 is shit yes we do

[desert agate]

Hornet was always the way to go

[desert agate]

sounds like a skill issue to me

[dreamy vector]

Stolen technology is never good.

[shut wren]

Nah sounds like some dumbass put candards on them

[shut wren]

I can neither confirm nor deny that

[desert agate]

F-35 probably isn't an ideal solution for the PLAAF anyway even if it were somehow an option

[shut wren]

Good missiles check

Good stealth check

Good enough

[spring briar]

I mean the mannlicher and mauser are pretty good

[desert agate]

[shut wren]

Is the part about radar paint n shit true

[desert agate]

you can have F-35 flinging LRASM at your battleship grey painted shanghai ferrys

uh

there is an issue with the F-35s radar absorbant paint

that doesn't apply to the F-22 (it uses a different material) and wont hurt the pilot

[shrewd pecan]

what a take

[desert agate]

There has been an issue reported with some F-35s having their radar absorbant paint strip off during maintained supersonic flight, I don't believe it applies to the whole fleet though and its severity is probably overstated

[shut wren]

I was curious

[ivory ridge]

discord u ok

[desert agate]

discord is not okay

it doesnt recognise me as a person

fuckign racist

[shut wren]

You could as a upside down person

[spring briar]

Centurion

[shrewd pecan]

with a 120 MM

[shut wren]

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1644788700486696965
https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1644788703179440131
https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1644788705117327360

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

It's #NationalZooLoversDay. When the National Zoo in Washington, D.C. lacked the funds to grow its collection, it asked the Navy to bring back animals from the far-flung corners of the world. The Navy rounded up penguins in Antarctica, monkeys in Burma, and birds in the Solomons.

Twitter · Apr 8, 2023, 7:45 PM

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

After dozens of Marines fell victim to snakebites while fighting in the Pacific during WWII, the reptile collection at the National Zoo grew as snakes such as the "odd tooth" akamata and venomous habu were sent back to be studied. #NationalZooLoversDay

Twitter · Apr 8, 2023, 7:46 PM

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Eight penguins bound for the National Zoo took a detour when their crate broke open at the Washington Navy Yard and they waddled off into the city. A few swam across the Potomac into Virginia where a woman was suprised to find a strange bird on her patio. #NationalZooLoversDay

Twitter · Apr 8, 2023, 7:46 PM

[spring briar]

Adelie Penguins

[frigid karma]

Ofc it doesn’t, Australians are emus and kangaroos wearing skin suits this is common knowledge

[tribal mortar]

yo

so i got a question

about churchill

did he even knew about the concentration camps in not-see germany?

did anyone knew about them?

[delicate beacon]

I'd imagine concentration camps were known, since the US had Japanese concentration camps as well.
I assume your question is about Death camps though.

[frigid karma]

they knew they existed, but not the degree of the atrocities being committed there, though

that's why the decision was made to end the war faster through bombing strategic targets rather than the death camps

[vestal willow]

So are these just the exact same gun historically with one of them being the Chinese manufactured/imported version? If it ever did exist as such, that is

[frigid karma]

they aren't the same gun

the one on the left has a different mount

the chinese also never bought harbin or any such twin 130s

[shut wren]

[vestal willow]

I see. The Chinese did get that gun on the Gnevny class that they got but I guess they didn't get the B-2LM mount?

Because the mount looks exactly the same on the image I posted. That would mean that the only fictional part is China receiving that specific mount since obviously Harbin or a ship like it never came about

[frigid karma]

yep

TLDR, Wargaming needed a chinese cruiser so they went "what if russia built a cruiser with 5x2 130s and china bought it"

[vestal willow]

Not entirely unrealistic seeing as they sold DDs to them but yeah

Speaking of which, I pray every day before I go to sleep that there will not be any US hybrid BBs in PR6

[shut wren]

China naval tree when

[vestal willow]

China naval tree?

[shut wren]

in WT

buts thats off topic

lets get back to what ever you're asking

[delicate beacon]

Afait it's the same gun. Just in a B-2U / MK-18 mount instead of B-2LM?

@manic latch something for you.

[frigid karma]

they dono't have shit

[shut wren]

Who cares I want my copy and paste shit

[delicate beacon]

Gimme Dutch tree instead

[shut wren]

Rocket tree when

[vestal willow]

Historically speaking, we need a Dutch AL faction because they have plenty of subs and destroyers and a couple of light cruisers

And the Dutch submarines did quite well in the early stages of the war so they're definitely not insignificant

[shut wren]

ask Yostar

[quick shard]

hmm I wonder wat demm name

[vestal willow]

??

[quick shard]

i wonder wats the faction name

[vestal willow]

Oh yeah, good point

I wonder if they'd spin them as a republic or a kingdom seeing as France was given the shape of a monarchy

Another really cool faction with a lot of historically interesting ships would be Austria-Hungary but I don't know how big Yostar is on World War 1 exclusive ships outside of separate events like Rondo at Rainbow's End

If they ever add ships like Radetzky or Tátra they might even end up throwing them in together with Iron Blood

[quick shard]

Viribius unitis

[quick shard]

Onward to jutland

[vestal willow]

Rondo at Rainbow's End was pretty much a Jutland event wasn't it? Save for Yorck

[wintry moat]

Yes

Actually

It's more like the End of the Wat

Considering that we're at Scapa flow

And the ships were all destroyed

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/CPG_USHMM/status/1644737654393536514

Preventing Genocide (@CPG_USHMM)

The world has lost a leader in the quest for justice. We mourn the death of Ben Ferencz—the last Nuremberg prosecutor. His legacy continues at our Ferencz Initiative which works to reinforce legal tools Ben helped develop to seek justice for atrocities. https://t.co/AYNUl0KMLF

Likes

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264

Twitter · Apr 8, 2023, 4:23 PM

[frigid karma]

shame,

we were gonna need him

[shut wren]

For the guy that starts with P,right?

Right?

[frigid karma]

why don't you piss off

[shut wren]

Fuck off

[fossil dragon]

aggressive goddamn

[tough quail]

le ebin z gamer

[shut wren]

Huh what

[desert agate]

💀

[shut wren]

[eternal veldt]

HMS Nelson followed by HMS Formidable in the Western Mediterranean, picture taken from HMS Rodney whose bow can be seen - April 1943

[frigid karma]

Baaaa

You know, they should’ve made that a reference for Rodney rather than Suffolk

Does Suffolk have anything to do with sheep?

[fossil dragon]

suffolk is a breed of sheep

[shut wren]

huh

[subtle prawn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk_sheep

[manic latch]

Sorry for late response but Harbin is a Soviet  AA cruiser design from the 1930s. So what she is using is a DP version of B-2LM guns. (High elevation as you can see).

[shut wren]

💀 for both

[quick shard]

dood we needed him

When the world needed him the most

[quick shard]

the grand fleet is missing

wait wat happened to mutsu-

[desert agate]

cease

[shut wren]

I though the second tag for Mutsu was why it sunk

[desert agate]

she had an internal ammunition explosion

[silver crest]

what

[shut wren]

alr alr alr hold the fuck up

cease and decease we finna die

the Red men

[quick shard]

oh so that's whats heating up inside

[shut wren]

hmmmm

[quick shard]

whos the uboot who snuck in scapa flow?

[rough oar]

u47?

[quick shard]

Shii poor royal oak

[eternal veldt]

Mutsu's magazines allegedly were detonated by a disgruntled crewman.

Just a tad worse than Mikasa's crew having a booze party in her mags.

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

@alpine onyx did bismarck have guns that could elevate independently?

[deep apex]

Allegedly because to this day no one knows for sure

[eternal veldt]

Do you have other more sound reasons to what's proposed?

Propellent degradation? Improper stowage?

[desert agate]

didnt have a no smoking sign

[cinder escarp]

I've seen the propellant degradation be brought up a few times

It was not exactly stable

[eternal veldt]

Other proposed causes are type 3 shells detonation, or Ushio's depth charges setting things off

[frigid karma]

there's a model pic of the guns independently elevated

fwiw

[eternal veldt]

A repeat of Vanguard's case would be quite curious

Raised temperatures and open doors to boilers cooking the propellent to set off

Just hopefully not a case of Glatton

[deep apex]

As bad as it sounds, I classify it as an ""Act of God""

Simply because I cannot find any reason with concrete backing as to why it happened

Well

Wait

Actually scratch that I don't even classify it as that

I don't even know

[frigid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-know-dont-know-bird-clueless-gif-12587825

@desert agate

Big Iron

[desert agate]

yeah

[frigid karma]

(On his hip)

[desert agate]

more than just iron

but its definitely a big one

look how well trying to cut off Australian coal went for China

[eternal veldt]

By that logic, HMS Hood was smited by the wrath of god

[desert agate]

half the country went into a black out

[eternal veldt]

Because we dont have concrete reasoning to how she was struck *(we know where)

[alpine onyx]

Yep

[spiral cedar]

No, all her 37mm guns shared a single common cradle

[eternal veldt]

Are we back to the 37mm

https://tenor.com/view/omg-hell-gif-13171534

[frigid karma]

It was actually the aa rockets cooking off

Took all but 3 men

😔

[eternal veldt]

Forgot the sauce, but the UP is the real meme

[frigid karma]

The UP?

[eternal veldt]

Launch the projectile, fucking chute drifts the aerial mine back to the Hood

[frigid karma]

Underskit penetrating ammunition?

[desert agate]

what if we kissed in the 37mm mega tub

[frigid karma]

What does up mean

[eternal veldt]

Unrotated Projectile Launcher, your AA rocket thing

[frigid karma]

Ah

[desert agate]

what if we rotated the projectile

[eternal veldt]

IJN does it with less brain damage (no chutes), still fucking bad

[eternal veldt]

You get the RP-3

(I know its Rocket, not rotated)

[quick shard]

I just replayed waw

The black PBY Catalinas were the first stealth fighters even as a bomber

[manic latch]

By that logic

Every plane with a camo is stealth

[frigid karma]

what part of tat mission is stealth y to you

[manic latch]

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/04/07/lockheed-boeing-helicopter-protest/

Poor Boeing their war vehicle industry is going down hard

Only P-8 left

F-18 will be out of production

So Boeing needs to work on getting India's choice of picking F-18 over Rafale M

It would make F-18 production last 2-3 year more

[cinder escarp]

The thing is, the GAO report was particularly damning saying that Boeing-Sikorsky didn't give enough or sufficiently detailed technical data.

That's basically saying "you didn't even really bid you just gave us a fancy napkin drawing"

[shrewd pecan]

the V-280 basically out performed the SB-1 in every metric

only advantage the SB-1 had was being smaller but that doesn't really matter to the army

in terms of Boeing they've been needing to get their shit together for the last couple decades

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/RealAirPower1/status/1644679739431350272

Air Power (@RealAirPower1)

Boeing recently announced that it will stop producing Super Hornets in 2025, following the delivery of the final examples to the #USNavy. Boeing added that production could be extended to 2027 if the F/A-18E/F is selected and acquired by an export customer (Hint:#India).#avgeeks

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Twitter · Apr 8, 2023, 12:33 PM

[cinder escarp]

Also should have been cheaper, wondering what Boeing-Sikorsky were doing over there to have their compound helicopter end up more expensive than a tiltrotor with folding wings, rotors, and tali!

[manic latch]

She was sexier tho

[cinder escarp]

Nah, while I thought the SB-1 was a better idea because I was certain it'd be more economical... it was always very uggo.

[manic latch]

https://gagadget.com/en/weapons/232872-keeping-the-f-22-raptor-in-service-until-2030-will-cost-more-than-9-billion-for-us-taxpayers/

The US Congress has not approved the US Air Force's request to retire some of the fighter jets in FY2023. The service now wants to retire 32 aircraft along with hundreds of other aircraft. The rejection will also affect the development of the sixth-generation fighter aircraft, as the US Air Force wanted to allocate the savings specifically to the Next-Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) programme

[subtle prawn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-65213646

[fossil dragon]

They still have massive contracts of F-15's to fulfill

[fierce sparrow]

USAF wanted to retire the F22s?

[manic latch]

Around 2030 yes

She is like what uhh

Almost 25 years old

[quick shard]

i loved the part that goes BRRRRRRT TANTANTANTAN and Take out those fucking pt boats

[thorn trail]

how is that stealth

[dapper parcel]

It's stealth if no one's alive to tell the story

[quick shard]

somebody gets it

[manic latch]

Feels wood

[shut wren]

I like your words funny magic man

[manic latch]

Plaaf

Do you remember last thing you noted about?

[delicate beacon]

[shut wren]

no

who cares

its there somewhere

[manic latch]

Of course

What kind of political roleplay servers are you hanging

[shut wren]

I plead the 5th

[ivory ridge]

[shut wren]

[tribal mortar]

margaret thatcher died like recently in days but some years ago

rip bozo

[shrewd pecan]

are you having a stroke?

[manic latch]

She died 10 years ago..

[cerulean ice]

Sadly even the greatest of politicians have to die at some point

[manic latch]

Soviets called her Iron Lady

Weird she wasn't fan of Iraq invasion after she pulling a Falklands

[shrewd pecan]

which one?

[manic latch]

2003

[shrewd pecan]

91 or 2003?

Falklands was British territory being invaded

vs 2003 which was a war justified on a claim without evidence

[manic latch]

Oh she supported the idea of military intervention

Just didn't like the fact there is low evidence

[shrewd pecan]

they went with the chemical weapons angle over the entire brutal dictator committing who was actually committing genocide angle

[manic latch]

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/4-things-that-differentiate-gerald-r-ford-class-carriers-from-nimitz-class-carriers/amp/

Doesn't mention having most complex toilet on a warship

[tough quail]

cowards

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1645105615495208960

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Happy Easter! Tomcats joined the sunrise Easter service on the flight deck of USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69) in the Mediterranean in 1990.
#HappyEaster #EasterSunday

Twitter · Apr 9, 2023, 4:45 PM

[manic latch]

Spitfire reload

[shut wren]

[manic latch]

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/04/us-france-start-formal-talks-to-trade-aircraft-carrier-tech/

[shut wren]

pass me some

[manic latch]

I will pass you something

[shut wren]

[neon oyster]

Gerald R. Ford at home

[desert agate]

well i mean

Gerald R Ford is about as close to peak efficiency as you can get for a large aircraft carrier

its deck arrangements are pretty much perfect

and the internal ammunition lifts and the like are infinitely better positioned

the fact that other carrier concepts are following the general deck layout is hardly surprising

although my interest is whether they get the ammunition lifts and the like right

the French naturally have learnt many lessons from CdG and have a close working relationship with the Americans and British so will probably get a reasonable layout

[manic latch]

FDG?

You mean CDG?

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

yes

there's a recent PLAN carrier concept going around with a similar deck layout to Gerald R Ford
would be very interesting to see the internal layouts of all 3 of these ships if the other two ever end up being built

high hopes for the French getting at least one

not sure about the Chinese though

and if the Chinese do get one whether it'll look anything like the concepts going around recently

[shut wren]

We do need a CVN tho

[subtle prawn]

The PLAN does apparently have plans to acquire a CVN

[chilly osprey]

One CVN (PANG) is pretty much confirmed at this point, though a second is unlikely to happen at this point.

The PLAN definitely has the ambition for CVNs - personally I expect they will procure one more Type 003 before the hypothetical Type 004 CVN.

[shut wren]

IIRC a while back state media hinted at going for 2 004s instead of another 003,but my memory might ne a bit shit

[desert agate]

im just questioning the shape of Chinas CVN ambition, current concepts look like a Gerald R Ford but just how close that copy will be remains to be seen

afterall Fujian just ended up as a worse Kitty Hawk

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

whether the PLANs inexperience with carriers will shine through on 004 or whether they'll directly copy will be interesting to see

[shut wren]

^was boutta say that

let them cook

[chilly osprey]

There's definitely a lot of lessons from the USN for the PLAN to pick up

But

[shut wren]

If they fail they wasted a shit ton of reasources soo

[chilly osprey]

They have differences in the types of operates they're expecting to pursue so I suspect they will be relying more and more own their own experiences with carrier operations.

Ex, if your force just isn't geared towards the kind of sortie generation and strike package size the USN works with, then directly copying a GRF might not be in your best interests.

[shut wren]

[frigid karma]

i never understood how a catalina could take so many hits from Zeros

then i played wt

[shut wren]

Avg US player

[spring briar]

[shut wren]

We needed it for the propaganda

[spring briar]

I would love this but with the combined franco british fleet in the second opium war

[remote monolith]

unironically not even a bad idea

the era is highly underrepresented in movies, and its ripe for some awesome cinematography

[spring briar]

Indeed

Naval battles of the Sino French war would be epic

As well as Sino Japanese war

Although a movie about that exists

Just old and outdated

[cerulean ice]

maybe, just maybe, if one goes for like really "everyone is a damn asshole and a bastard" setting for the overarching narrative, then it could work

but otherwise it just doesn't really make for a good period + location for a movie for anyone

[remote monolith]

also I have to admit that camera work is damn smooth

like wew

[spring briar]

old but gold

[remote monolith]

a single uninterrupted shot for about a minute

[spring briar]

Watch

[remote monolith]

I vaguely remember seeing this one a long ass time ago

or maybe not too long ago

[frigid karma]

i'm just not sure that the opium war would be a very entertaining watch

since it's mostly the chinese being curbstomped

[remote monolith]

that's the entire point

[frigid karma]

at least for zulu, there's Isandlwana

[cerulean ice]

and like, even if we give it "The Great Wall" level of domestic master battering
if the Chinese protagonists would be portrayed as incredibly heroic opposition to opium and corruption, but doomed against western powers
then it probably wouldn't be allowed to exist for the sole reason of featuring opium trade and alluding to the domestic situation in china at the time

[remote monolith]

dispense with the moral dilemma and politics

focus on stuff exploding

and wooden ships

and massed fleets gathering on the bay

[frigid karma]

what's the conflict then

[remote monolith]

stuff exploding

[frigid karma]

every story needs a conflict

[spring briar]

European ironclads blowing up wooden ships with one shell

[remote monolith]

exactly

[spring briar]

Truly peak cinema

[cerulean ice]

weird to hear Touhou arrangement playing there

[remote monolith]

peak cinema is when 2 sides batters one another with unnatural amount of explosives without bothering to explain the background to it

[spring briar]

Is it?

Kek

[spring briar]

Europeans beat eachother enough in other movies

History must be told

[cerulean ice]

isn't that just WH40k?

[spring briar]

Even if its a one sided curbstomp

[cerulean ice]

I guess we can say that one way or another such a movie would bomb in china
yar har har

[spring briar]

Would be neat if China made it

[remote monolith]

ba dum tss
dies from naval ball shell

[frigid karma]

yes, except the opium war has a very much lack of the chinese doing the same

[cerulean ice]

then just see what I written above

[remote monolith]

even better

[spring briar]

La Galossonnière my beloved

[frigid karma]

what could you possibly have against the chinese?

[spring briar]

This La Gal ofc

[frigid karma]

(IDK what specific country from SEA you're from but I know you're from SEA and that probably means you hate China)

[remote monolith]

actually nothing, I just like seeing things explodes

there's a reason I keep replaying the first 5 minutes of Revenge of the Sith for years

[frigid karma]

same, that's why i play bf1 a lot

pure grenade spam

[spring briar]

French 240 mm AP shell vs Qing gunboat ca. 1885

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has the modern naval shell shape been used regularly by the first/second opium war btw?

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No

But it was used in the Sino French war

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aah

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that is where the fun begins after all

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For example

These are (among others) 240mm shells used then by french colonial ironclads

Aka similar to modern shell shape

Has bursting charge

And base fuze

The opium war would be a mix of smoothbore explosive cannonball guns or early rifled guns

Like the 110 pounder rbl

Basically overkill against wooden ships

But the guns would mostly be the aforementioned smootbore cannons firing explosive shells

Paixhans spam

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yea, I would not recognize the familiar notes common to most Touhou main menu themes?

found the song even

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Imperialism

(Bad)

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The OG sabot gun

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Lil beauties

Did a number on the Ottomans at Sinop too

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https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1645180652487159808

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

It's National Winston Churchill Day to commemorate when the British Prime Minister became an honorary U.S. citizen. The USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81) flies the Royal Navy White Ensign on special occasions and has a Royal Navy officer assigned permanently to the ship's company

Twitter · Apr 9, 2023, 9:43 PM

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/poland-building-part-of-a-british-frigate-why/

https://twitter.com/geoallison/status/1645113020379545600

George Allison (@geoallison)

Babcock has contracted PGZ Poland to build a small number of hull blocks for HMS Active, one of five Type 31 Frigates. Assembly & integration remains at Rosyth.

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Twitter · Apr 9, 2023, 5:14 PM

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@desert agate They sunk Haruna

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neat, and the frigate that Poland will eventually get from the deal is to be called "Swordfish" if I see that right

a good name

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just in case the germans do manage to get smth done with that 100b

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This has to be a meme right? No one really thinks the AP cap is really made of aluminum right

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Well he did use it like that weirdly enough

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Super sus

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Also

Mk.5 instead of Mk.8

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That’s actually the right shell, he uses the Mark 5 blueprint

The Mark 8 blueprint has a different patent number

He just apparently thinks aluminum ballistic cap = aluminum AP cap

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It's an aluminium hat

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https://youtu.be/HVqWNVBDfhY
The video

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or a tinfoil hat

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Does it really matter what the cap is made of at that point

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Not one comment I’ve seen so far mentions the word “aluminum” or “aluminium”

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Only if you assume someone getting 147k views won’t make another of similar concept and carry on the errors

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he probably just mislabeled it, and most people don't know enough about naval ammunition to point out the difference

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I don’t mean like that

I mean as in

Imagine using the Mk.5

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Ah

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Well the thumbnail shows a Colorado

So

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Yes

Imagine using Colorados

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But why would a Colorado be in the Atlantic bombarding Tigers??

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With aluminium caps no less

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At least Massy was near North Africa and thus would fit

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Truly disturbing

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mhm

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by the sheer will of maka

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USS New York as well

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"hey since we sent ranger to the atlantic for being too slow, why not a colorado"

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Jabo

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Impressive, very nice. Now make it strike facehardened armor at 10 degrees

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Facehardened armor? In 1880?

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Iron front, wood back

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Also given it is a holtzer shell it should still de relatively fine at 10 degrees

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Fair 'nuff

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Because of its heat treatment

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10 degrees? Are you shooting across the globe?

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And as you can see the shell has nice thick walls

And a relatively small burster

So none of this

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has there been any attempt at armor piercing skip bombers

or sap skip bombs

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Obus de Rupture

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pitiful velocity, yes, but

latewar usn was doing some silly stuff

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Jaba

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1904

That a ring around the nose to cause normalization?

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Yes

Absolutely

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Early ballistic theories were funky

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1903

…

Russia and France were already using full contour ap caps at that point

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Looks rather similar to the M1912/24 shell’s cap

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Which?

You mean the french 340?

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yeah

My albums got messed up when I was clearing space last week so I can’t find the cross sections

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Well France used the same cap shape from about 1898 through to ww1

With minor variations

It worked

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That it did

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Similarly Russia stuck with its old cap design from 1894 to 1911

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Broadly speaking the Soviet 1928 AP/SAP designs should persist into WWII right?

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Yeah

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Did they ever add dye bags

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Nope

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Understandable given large ship counts, if still undesirable

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HQ version

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What are the holes up top for

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Transport

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Were they covered up before firing

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No

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It was definitely a structural weakness

France used holed on the base instead

See left most image

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?

you hold it like a bowling ball or smth?

or do you run a rod through it

not sure what calibre this is so

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You know the claw from toy story?

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No fucking way

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Yep

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THE CLAW HAS CHOSEN IT

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23 cm