history

[shut wren]

kool

[deep apex]

It was also one the books burned by the Nazis

And it was heavily censored upon release

[glass trail]

makes sense

wwi and wwii backstory is v interesting

[deep apex]

The sex scenes between him and Catherine

Curse words like fuck, shit, whorehound, cocksucker, etc

[glass trail]

seggs

[deep apex]

The N-word with hard-r was left in, but given the time period, not surprising

Unfortunate it was included at all but yeah

Interestingly the British edition of the publication was even more conservative than the American one

[chilly osprey]

That's honestly surprising

[deep apex]

Words were replaced

Passages selectively trimmed

A bunch of shit

[ivory ridge]

[deep apex]

Like this one

“Miss Van Campen,” I said, “did you ever know a man who tried to disable himself by kicking himself in the balls?

Balls was replaced with scrotum like this

“Miss Van Campen,” I said, “did you ever know a man who tried to disable himself by kicking himself in the scrotum?

[glass trail]

arguably worse

[deep apex]

The priest is teased with a masturbation joke

“Priest every night five against one.”

[manic latch]

Did you know Tuscan bread has no salt in it because of its history of Pisa giving salt taxes?

[deep apex]

The sexual content of the book also saw it banned in Ireland in 1939.

[glass trail]

let's ban it again

[deep apex]

Early in the story, Henry picks up a fellow American infantryman fighting with the Italians. He’s trying to concoct a scheme to avoid the war. He tells Henry:

“Fuck the war.”

[frigid karma]

reading fighter combat-tactics and manuevering on a pdf rn to improve in air RB

i have new appreciation for missiles

[deep apex]

And reading about Hemingway as a person also highlights how racist and misogynistic he actually was

[frigid karma]

"ok calculate your own velocity, bullet drop, enemy velocity, enemy turning speed, your own harmonization, bullet speed" vs "put reticle on plane until beep loud and shoot"

[manic latch]

Ww1: Spray and pray

[deep apex]

He was not at all faithful to his wives

And yes I mean plural because the motherfucker had 4 of them

[frigid karma]

is that a famous book btw?

[deep apex]

?

What is?

[chilly osprey]

A Farewell to Arms? Absolutely, yeah

[frigid karma]

http://falcon.blu3wolf.com/Docs/Fighter Combat-Tactics and Maneuvering.pdf

[manic latch]

[deep apex]

It was challenged by parents in US schools in 1974 and 1980...

The list goes on and on

[manic latch]

British ration in 1951

[shut wren]

PLease

no

[spiral cedar]

Meanwhile Qwerty here is reading A Farewell to HARMs

[shut wren]

We need a mf chernobyl map that disables all mf radars and heat trackers

[frigid karma]

There are reformers knocking on my door what do i do

[shut wren]

You have a missile for homeland defense

use it

[spiral cedar]

I'd say use a gun but that's exactly what they want

I own a 5”/54 for air defense, since that's what BuOrd intended. Four bandits enter into my airspace. "What the devil?" As I grab my powder case and close the breech. Blow a man sized hole through the first bandit, he's dead on the spot. Point my Unrotated Projectile at the second man, miss him entirely because it's an unguided rocket and nails the neighbor’s wife. I have to resort to the 46cm gun mounted at the top of the barbette loaded with Sanshiki, "Tally ho lads" the incendiary rods shred two aircraft in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off flooding alarms. Load Bofors and blast the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on search and rescue to arrive since 40mm wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the Bureau of Ordnance intended.

[frigid karma]

i must draft a presentation on R&D pipelines and chant DARPA while waving around an aesa radar to make them go away

thank god ship reformers don't exist because they actually have a slight point with the fords and zumwalts

[shut wren]

Yall can get aesa radars

[strong plank]

Fords

[chilly osprey]

I own an OTOMATIC for self defense, since that's what God intended. Unfortunately for God, the OTOMATIC is quite capable of killing God.

[strong plank]

Unless the reformers extensively argued for the continued use of traditional plumbing systems

[frigid karma]

the plumbing thing is a meme

but it's more the fact that she introduced multiple new technologies at once

[strong plank]

EMALs had teething issues sure

[chilly osprey]

I dread to think what the reformers would think about ships

Given one of them was pointing out that the Brooklyn-class was terrible compared to Japanese DDs

Fucking powerpoint from hell

[strong plank]

But they’re operational now and working much better than their competition

[spiral cedar]

I remember that

[frigid karma]

something something aviation battleship quote

where is that thing, can't find

[strong plank]

Please don’t post the amphibious Iowa

I don’t want to make Sparks hard

[spiral cedar]

https://youtu.be/Kw4cYRQFaj8

[frigid karma]

no there was a quote about how aviation battleships are an unresolved wet dream between 1914 battleship fleets and modern carriers

still can't find it aagh

[chilly osprey]

EMALS's issues tbh have always been somewhat overblown, even when they were truly problematic.

If people had been holding steam catapults to the same standard as EMALS people would have been bitching about how we needed to ditch steam catapults in favor of ramps

Or maybe someone would have argued for an aircraft trebuchet

You never know

[strong plank]

Yeah they had some teething issues

Much like any new tech

[shut wren]

we pack jets into rockets and launch em

so they can start midair

[frigid karma]

order my submarines to torpedo the enemy aircraft carrier group, misses entirely because they're mark 14s

[manic latch]

Ditch catapults for ramps

God save the Queen

[frigid karma]

qe finally got her curved chest

[shut wren]

Catapults are better smh

[frigid karma]

at what cost

trebuchets when

[shut wren]

Qe has F-35s No?

[chilly osprey]

and nails the neighbor’s wife.

[shut wren]

they dont use rams????

[frigid karma]

f-35bs

[manic latch]

F35B use ramps

C use catapult

[chilly osprey]

Technically speaking, you can operate the F-35B without a ski jump

[shut wren]

VTOL moment

[chilly osprey]

It just helps reduce the take-off run

Which helps you use the deck space for other things

[strong plank]

The British really made great advances in carrier aviation, and then just

stopped

[chilly osprey]

Like lining up more aircraft

Well

money

They could not afford to maintain a CATOBAR carrier force

[frigid karma]

empire collapse does that to a mfer

[chilly osprey]

Especially since their government was also generally resolved against strike carriers

Post-1960s the RN was effectively evolving into an ASW-focused force

[strong plank]

Come to think of it what’s the status on the British F-35s

[chilly osprey]

29 in service of 30 delivered

[strong plank]

Are the QEs still operating with marine corps aircraft or

[shut wren]

CATOBAR>SATOBAR

[strong plank]

ah gotcha

[shut wren]

B-29 but

VTOL

[chilly osprey]

Three are with No.17 squadron in the US, which is for testing and evaluation.

Twelve are with No.207 squadron in the UK, which is the OCU squadron

And fourteen are under No.617 squadron, which is the operational squadron and has at this point twice detached 8x F-35B to operate on QE

[frigid karma]

TIL early aircraft armor was to put a iron stove lid on your ass

[chilly osprey]

Next squadron to stand up should be 809 Naval Air Squadron, this year in fact

[shut wren]

Early aircraft armements were pistols and gernades soo

[chilly osprey]

They're expecting to take delivery of seven F-35B this year (then four in 2024, and seven in 2025, at which point they'll hit 47 (48 delivered, one lost)

[frigid karma]

are F-35Bs capable of flying backward?

[shut wren]

Reverse thrust?

[dark spade]

what is the differences between Northampton Portland and Pensacola classes?

[dapper parcel]

With sufficient headwind?

Anyway, the extent of nozzle and vanes deflection do allow backward movement

[spiral cedar]

Pensacolas were meant to be protected mostly against DD 5" AP, and had 2 twin and 2 triple 8" mounts. The Northamptons were meant to have some protection against 6" shells, and had 3 triple 8" mounts. The Portlands bumped protection up a bit again and also used a 3 x triple 8" layout.

[dapper parcel]

It can be summed up as the USN slowly realizing they're severely undershoot the treaty limits
Pensacola was a very spartan design, all corners cut to fit the target displacement. Result: terrible boat that's 900 tons underweight
Northampton changed the gun arrangement and add better armor design. Result: better boat, one less gun, one less turret, but now 1000 tons underweight somehow
Portland adds even more extensive armor. Result: displacement on target

[spiral cedar]

The Portlands also added a bunch more fuel bunkerage if I recall, giving them more endurance

[dapper parcel]

Bunkerage actually goes down,

[spiral cedar]

Is that so? I recall something about the Portlands being used for longer range tasks because they had more endurance

Wonder if they got newer machinery?

[dapper parcel]

The latter ships can be loaded down more without compromising stability, maybe that factors in the equation?

[dark spade]

okay so bascially they look the same but under the hood they are all different

other than the nevada like gun setup on Pensacola

[dapper parcel]

I'd say the other way around actually
Main internal subdivisions were practically the same between the three

[dark spade]

so they are more identical than most ship classes...

New Orleans class I take it came out later and could do a lot more?

[spiral cedar]

New Orleans were a pretty radical change yes

Submerged magazines, rearranged machinery, much more armor over machinery, barbettes, and turrets

[dark spade]

is Orleans oil burning

[spiral cedar]

All these are

[dark spade]

I see

coal burns warmer but oil spreads more even and is easier to work with 😛

[junior trench]

with a... great showing off the Falklands

when there was only one submarine with broken torpedoes shadowing them

[subtle prawn]

This morning, after several days of foul-smelling smoke pouring out of the house at 21 Rue le Sueur in Paris, one of the neighbors calls the police. The officers discover that the house belongs to Dr. Marcel Petiot, who informs them during a phone call that he will arrive soon. With the smoke becoming more intense, firefighters arrive to clear the house. They quickly emerge, visibly distraught, and tell the police to take over. The police find a large stove burning in the basement, surrounded by charred human bones and parts of at least ten dismembered bodies.

When Petiot arrives, he claims the bodies belong to Germans and collaborators and that he is the head of a Resistance group on the run from the Gestapo and thus needs to destroy important documents at his other apartment. The police, sympathetic to the Resistance, allow Petiot to leave. 

Nevertheless, Commissaire Georges-Victor Massu takes over the investigation. He discovers a pit filled with quicklime and bags filled with more human remains, and at Petiot's nearby apartment, large amounts of cyanide and various other poisons. The official investigation will be put aside after the police learn that Petiot had been jailed and tortured by the Gestapo from May 1943 until January 1944.

But Massu will piece together the story in the following months. Petiot had set up a fraudulent escape network, under his equally fraudulent medical practice. He offered Jews, resistance fighters, and others safe passage to South America through Portugal for 25,000 francs. Petiot would claim that the potential escapees needed a vaccination. If they accepted, he would inject them with cyanide, take all their valuables, and destroy their bodies.

Petiot will continue to hide using false identities until his arrest on 31 October 1944. He will continue to claim that his victims were 'enemies of France', but the jury will find him guilty of 26 counts of premeditated murder. He will be executed by guillotine on 25 May 1946.

Picture: Transportation of remains found at 21 Rue le Sueur.
Source: Murderpedia```

[scarlet ledge]

Merkava in Lebanon

[storm echo]

https://naval-encyclopedia.com/ww2/japan/ijn-aircraft-carriers.php

reposted here

the IJN had, a lot

[delicate beacon]

[storm echo]

even had some converted from passenger-cargo ferries

[delicate beacon]

Go away with that piece of trash site that rips my forum posts

[storm echo]

I kinda find it, unorganised

[delicate beacon]

It very much is.

[storm echo]

imma find some other websites

[dapper parcel]

While there were a lot of conversions particularly from liners, I don't think there were any that came from ferries nor cargo ships

[storm echo]

yeah, I am referencing liners.

[desert agate]

Ik it's been brought up already but naval encyclopedia is genuinely one of the worst websites on the topic of naval warfare on the internet

[storm echo]

I see why

hella unorganised imo

[desert agate]

It's utterly full of factual inaccuracies, weird claims and utterly absurd typos

Cue the picture of HMAS Australia photoshopped with a queen Anne's mansion

[maiden citrus]

nevada labeled as arizona

[delicate beacon]

Why is the Dutch flag upside down

[delicate beacon]

Maps of Russia and Japan from the German Archives

[eternal veldt]

including WoWS fake models as part of "history"

very great website

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/we-reap-what-we-sow-cat-gif-26137138

[manic latch]

"You may be a king or a poor street sweeper but sooner or later you'll dance with the reaper."

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q47N9UTjydw

[night heart]

Hello

[spring briar]

@manic latch square rifling

[manic latch]

Mega based

[spring briar]

Imagine history if warships started using polygonal rifling

[rapid junco]

The worst i found on topic of Brazilian Naval History
Its the claim that our DEs served in the Pacific

[manic latch]

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/03/south-korea-eyeing-larger-aircraft-carrier-for-its-cvx-program/

[tough quail]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hi-hello-close-up-kitten-gif-16709314

[ivory ridge]

who want to see some Turkish cope

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858825164313854012/1084513292153802874/FqTI00saYAAACFc.png

[tough quail]

lol

[spring briar]

Wtf

God square rifling is hot

[tough quail]

yaes

[frigid karma]

at 137km

wouldn't they be beyond the earth's curvature?

how much radar bouncing off horizon

would that entail

[ivory ridge]

Inshallah turkish fighter will outrange the gods 🇹🇷 🇹🇷 🇹🇳 🇹🇳

i wanted to make the usual turkish emote joke but i dont think i can do it here

[frigid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-turk-turkish-turkish-guy-turkish-car-gif-26466884

[strong plank]

Turkish fighters much better than any western aircraft but also please sell us F-16s pretty please

[deep apex]

https://youtu.be/akDfjifD2DU

[dark spade]

What is the name of the WWII German ship that snuck out of a Mexican port while a US ship was waiting for it to leave so they could blow it to kingdom come. The germans left the lights on a boat and snuck out in the middle of the night leaving the boat behind.

Like was it a Sea raider like the ship that sunk Australia's light cruiser in the Pacific or a Destroyer IDK what ship it was but I want to find its name lol

[deep apex]

Koramon or something like that

Don't know how to spell it

[dark spade]

That's the German ship that snuck off?

(Pacific side of Mexico)

[deep apex]

Bro I have no idea what you're talking about

The only part I understood was the sinking an Australian light cruiser

[dark spade]

Oh ye that's the other 1 lol

Did any of her class stop in the Mexican port of Manzanillo?

Basically looking for another German ship that was in the Pacific and to tell historians something 90% of them claim is impossible and didn't happen. Other than the german tech finding its way to Japan and the "cruiser" Kormoran they deny Germany was ever there

SMS Havelland

H-51

Ohre class

Strange I cannot even find a pic of its class

I heard about it from people visiting the port of Manzanillo we found a newspaper article of the ship name and the only other thing I can find is its hull ID name and class with nation of origin

The US ship in Port was USS Erie PG-50

[dapper parcel]

You're probably confusing their identity, The Ohre-class only started being built in 1983

Another note, I doubt the ship being SMS Havelland by the time of WW2

[dark spade]

It wasn't an SMS but it was kriegsmarine

Idk it just says Havelland. Wikipedia says that name is registered to the Ohre class of the Kriegsmarine

We got Havelland from New York times

Same with USS Erie

Oh my bad just says german ships... so not sure what class then

Yeah strange how the ship has no written history on the internet other than a New York times article and a local story. I wander what kind of ship she was or what she did

[chilly osprey]

Do you have a specific date that it left this Mexican port, or any other notes about its service history?

Also, which port?

Details are helpful for tracking this kinds of things down

[dark spade]

Port Manzanillo

October 1939 acording to the NY times

[chilly osprey]

Do you happen to have a picture of the article or a transcription of the original text?

[dark spade]

There is also a wesser that has a similar story I believe

The germans left this as a distraction as they snuck away in the night

[dapper parcel]

There was a mention of freighter Havelland
No mention if she was of any particular significance, nor if she was affiliated with kriegsmarine

http://www.usserie.org/page2/page2.html

[dark spade]

"WWII German ship" from what I recall I am trying to find the NY times pic

[chilly osprey]

Yeah, this is what is consistent with what I'm finding. We'd be talking about the steamship freighter Havelland, of the Hamburg-American Line (North German Lloyd). She was engaging in shipping 1,000 tons of sugar from the Gamboa, Rodriguez, Rivera Co., Inc., in the Philippines, intended for the Imperial Sugar Company. Upon the outbreak of war between the UK and Germany, she initally put at Punta Arenas, Costa Rica, but then Manzanillo, Mexico.

[spiral cedar]

Prewar, and Erie left station months before Havelland left port, according to the link

[dark spade]

I see

Wander why she had to sneak away

[storm echo]

The IJN Aoba, had an interesting history

Bombed thrice, sunk in the shallow waters of Kure Harbour, salvaged, than scrapped, rather than instantly sinking after being bombed twice.

[eternal veldt]

also ordered war crimes

[desert agate]

literally just got that book today as a birthday present

[silent spruce]

Nice, its a very good book ngl. I just finished it today and I already wanted to read it again lol.

[desert agate]

yeah not too many good books on the RAN out there so hopefully it'll be to my standard lmao

[silent spruce]

There is like non out there lol

[manic latch]

Huh

[silent spruce]

Ahhh yes

[delicate beacon]

Write your own.

[desert agate]

im planning on it

[delicate beacon]

🔲

Where my happies gone.

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

[delicate beacon]

Maka

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

Maka chan

[maiden citrus]

friendos

[delicate beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/nanashi-mumei-gif-23608577

I was so excited to get email replies today.

But then I got to work

And it's a grind

[spring briar]

Sang chan

[silent spruce]

Lemme know when ur gonna get it published so that i can buy the first copy

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

Don't tell him about Collaboration horizontale

[eternal veldt]

Twitter, no sign of intelligence

[spring briar]

What about the SS Charlemagne pages

[remote monolith]

gone, reduced to atoms

[alpine onyx]

There's also no wikipedia page dedicated to revisionist idiots on twitter

[desert agate]

It's a long term thing probably years away

15-20

[rapid junco]

Sure there's pages about 5th collumnists, isnt it?

I think i already told here a case of failed sabotage on the Parnamirim airfield

#history message

[weak spoke]

What if the Pearl Harbor attack still happened but no ships were lost

[solid mango]

Most likely same shit, but the US has more ship 👍

[desert agate]

Japan is having a very bad 1942

[solid mango]

Indeed

[weak spoke]

More marines and sailors would have been angry

[strong plank]

I mean define lost

[manic latch]

But no ship was sunk so

Doubt

Anger comes for revenge

[strong plank]

If the difference is that Arizona gets sunk like the Colorados but is still recoverable, then the main difference is just that American naval bombardments in 1944 get to be a little bit spicier

[solid mango]

More booms

[spring briar]

The thing that helped the USN was the nicely concentrated pool of samples they had to perform damacon studies on

[alpine onyx]

And having a very sizable and solid destroyer and cruiser fleet

Being able to throw the Brooklyns into the yasen meatgrinder was helpful

[chilly osprey]

Has to be said, it's not like the USN didn't have other battleships in 1941

It's just that they didn't really have the tanker capacity to support them in operations in the South Pacific, at least not until late in 1942 - and even then, they were focusing on using the fast battleships.

[tough quail]

i doubt it tbh

the standards are effectively fodder in 1942

if they get meaningfully deployed at all the most likely change is the air fleet gets deployed to finish the job at sea instead

arguably worse in the long run, though that doesn't matter that much when you're the usn

[weak spoke]

No ships sunk

[desert agate]

and the japanese battle line isnt?

[tough quail]

it is

thats why they didn't do anything of real value

well, the kongos are nice because they can just run around with cruisers, and they dont have "never deploy these" syndrome

but fuso through to nagato is just... they exist

[desert agate]

the massive cruiser engagements of the south pacific like the meat grinder of guadalcanal just cannot happen with an intact american battle line

[tough quail]

i dunno, i see the most likely scenarios being the standards are kept well in reserve and rebuilt as normal or they're deployed early and the japanese carrier fleet dives on them at sea instead

i dont really see them making it to guadalcanal

or they get force z'd if we want to get really goofy

especially if you consider the context of >lmao dumb asians ambushed us with toy planes and got jack shit done, battleships are invincible

[frigid karma]

Eh, assuming midway goes normally

The Americans would have an active air presence in Guadalcanal compared to the Brits having

Hermes

[thorn trail]

what's the yasen meatgrinder

[tough quail]

guadalcanal

night battles

or the wild AU where modern russian SSGNs show up in ww2

[chilly osprey]

Again, for the reasons I stated above (tanker availability), it wasn't really feasible for the USN to deploy battleships to the South Pacific until late in 1942, and even then, it was only the fast battleships. This was in spite of having Standard type battleships available - not all were KO'd by Pearl Harbor, after all

There was also fundamentally not a huge amount of pressure to do so while Japan was holding back their battleships, which they were unwilling to risk before any 'decisive battle' appeared imminent (hence why they only made use of the Kongo-class battlecruisers).

[alpine onyx]

Guadalcanal, the meatgrinder where Helena managed eating two torpedoes into nearly the identical spot in a single engagement

On top of another torpedo mauling her forward turret group

Or the engagement where ships suddenly got within a few hundred meters

[tough quail]

where her damaged report used wording like her "hogging and sagging like a caterpillar" and that she was actively breaking up like a plane after getting hit by a missile

it was not a good time to be on helena

[spiral cedar]

Well, usually that’s classified as the overall Solomons campaign, given the Japanese evacuated Guadalcanal about 5 months before Helena got triple teamed

[alpine onyx]

Can't blame Lena, she lost like 3/4 of her bottom plating in that section

Ah well, but point stands that the USN had lotsa boats to throw at those hell holes

[shrewd pecan]

Predators

[manic latch]

What

This is an Apache Tato cmon

Predator is a drone

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

Also known as MQ-1 ye

[thorn trail]

Yeah was wondering why Yasen because the only Yasen I know is the Russian Submarine

[strong plank]

“Hey my friend over there wants to talk to you but he’s nervous”

[manic latch]

He saw a scout drone

Must hide its rotors

[spring briar]

Andrei Pervodzany

[manic latch]

Rich

Show me the scariest looking warship

Or shell

[spring briar]

uhh

[tough quail]

its just a richelieu shell covered in knives

[thorn trail]

R9X but in a battleship shell?

[manic latch]

Now make this BB caliber

[strong plank]

ribbed for your pleasure

[spring briar]

Nah I know one

gimme a minute

also there isn't anything scary about R9X

@manic latch my scariest shell picture

[manic latch]

Super based Gangut

[spring briar]

so

you can read cyrillic

[manic latch]

It's like math

But easier

And more useful

I think

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgAO9R0soUk

[spring briar]

@manic latch

[manic latch]

Cool and good

[spring briar]

Poltava ded

@manic latch guess who

[manic latch]

[manic latch]

Kam

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-crying-shower-gif-22539469

yes

it's her

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/softnte-confused-cat-gif-24213856

ships are big

@manic latch

[manic latch]

Best of her class

[spring briar]

France entering Kronshtadt with President Pointcaré

start of WW1

[manic latch]

🤝

[spring briar]

OMG

Sinop

with camo!

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

@manic latch

[lapis delta]

If you ever feel like a ship design is bad:
Remember that the Furious existed before her conversion
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702690182184304691/1084594763078058105/image0.jpg

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/03/13/embargoed-until-4-aukus-leaders-agree-on-path-to-nuke-subs-for-australia-shipyard-support-to-u-s-navy

[strong plank]

oh shit yeah the aukus announcement is going rn

[shut wren]

[strong plank]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/13/joint-leaders-statement-on-aukus-2/

[shut wren]

What if

We build giant ships to carry ships

[spring briar]

AUKUS

[ivory ridge]

auksus

[shut wren]

[strong plank]

can finally talk about aukus details now that they're public

[ivory ridge]

this ship is the one that carried HMAS Canberra from Spain to Australia

[strong plank]

Together we will deliver SSN-AUKUS – a trilaterally-developed submarine based on the United Kingdom’s next-generation design that incorporates technology from all three nations, including cutting edge U.S. submarine technologies. Australia and the United Kingdom will operate SSN-AUKUS as their submarine of the future. Australia and the United Kingdom will begin work to build SSN-AUKUS in their domestic shipyards within this decade.

US, UK, and australia are co-developing a new SSN that'll become the new standard for both the UK and Australia

in the meantime the US will sell 3+ Virginias to replace the Collins class

In order to deliver conventionally-armed, nuclear-powered submarines to Australia at the earliest possible date, we intend to pursue the following phased approach, moving through each phase based on mutual commitments from each nation:

Beginning in 2023, Australian military and civilian personnel will embed with the U.S. Navy, the Royal Navy, and in the United States and United Kingdom submarine industrial bases to accelerate the training of Australian personnel. The United States plans to increase SSN port visits to Australia beginning in 2023, with Australian sailors joining U.S. crews for training and development; the United Kingdom will increase visits to Australia beginning in 2026.

As early as 2027, the United States and United Kingdom plan to begin forward rotations of SSNs to Australia to accelerate the development of the Australian naval personnel, workforce, infrastructure and regulatory system necessary to establish a sovereign SSN capability.

Starting in the early 2030s, pending Congressional approval, the United States intends to sell Australia three Virginia class submarines, with the potential to sell up to two more if needed. This step will systematically grow Australia’s sovereign SSN capability and support capacity.

In the late 2030s, the United Kingdom will deliver its first SSN-AUKUS to the Royal Navy. Australia will deliver the first SSN-AUKUS built in Australia to the Royal Australian Navy in the early 2040s.

[spring briar]

anything interesting?

[strong plank]

well the US and UK are going to be forward-deploying submarines out of Australia

and SSN-AUKUS isn't just a new sub designed for Australia, it's a joint design with American tech that'll go into both Australian and British service

[spring briar]

[strong plank]

and Australia also gets 3-5 Virginias to replace the Collins, so if for some reason things don't pan out they still walk away with SSNs

[spring briar]

so, the anglo accords were successful?

[strong plank]

seems like it

[spring briar]

also, I'm calling it the anglo accords because it kind of is, not because hurr durr angry french

it also sounds funny

[delicate beacon]

Where flamebirb

https://web.archive.org/web/20160329212218/http://www.dutchsubmarines.com:80/specials/special_attacks_wwii.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20010711190946/http://www.dutchsubmarines.com:80/specials/special_aces_wwii.htm

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1635358527022858240

Junsupreme (@RyszardJonski)

A new gen. 🇰🇷optionally manned stealth tank with a remotely controlled turret with a 130mm gun and multi-role drones and missiles, and a new gen. wheeled IFV with a remotely controlled 30-40mm turret.
https://t.co/okNpLcyitK

Twitter · Mar 13, 2023, 7:13 PM

[shrewd pecan]

they will never reach service

[delicate beacon]

Isn't that the PL-1

[shrewd pecan]

o so the Aussies are getting second hand Virginia's

[tough quail]

nobody wants wants a SK branded PL-01 either

[shrewd pecan]

there's no real point in low RCS ground vehicles

unless you plan on having your entire military be low RCS vehicles

[strong plank]

I don't think they're going to be second-hand from what I've heard. would have to ask

[shrewd pecan]

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/102087614 could be new builds tho I've just seen it reported as secondhand in Australian media
"The Australian government will take three, potentially second-hand Virginia-class submarines early next decade, pending the approval of the US Congress."

[strong plank]

Yeah I was under the impression they'd be new builds

hence the 2030s date

The US is gonna be investing a lot more into sub production capabilities but it'll take time to raise production rates

[frigid karma]

tankie online looking ass

[manic latch]

Bruv it's literally Pl-1 v2

[solid mango]

Starting on the mast and gun directors, just want to make sure, waht did Clev hav by 1942?

[eternal veldt]

Mark 34 director, no radar antennae as far as I recall.

Mark 37 director for secbat, need to examine if the Mark 12 radar antenna was installed yet.

[rapid junco]

[rapid junco]

So
Today i discovered the existence of Battleship Division 9
Until today i thought the only US Dreadnoughts sent during WWI were Nevada and Oklahoma
And maybe remembered of Texas

Something i liked learning about is that the ships of said division were all coal fired
Due to oil shortages

[maiden citrus]

yee

[rapid junco]

Which i can probably use as an argument against people who trash talk the DNOG saying its ships were crap because they were coal fired

[maiden citrus]

not much oil in europe at the time, but lots of coal

[rapid junco]

And they were roughly on the same age
All ships of the DNOG, except for Belmonte
Had already 8 years of age

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1635444404000268289

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Today is Donald Duck day! Although Donald is often associated with the Navy because he favors a sailor's jumper and flat cap, he was drafted into the Army during WWII. He was promoted to sergeant and discharged on his 50th birthday in 1984.

Twitter · Mar 14, 2023, 12:55 AM

[eternal veldt]

Curious, where can I read more on the US logistics for the campaign and the like?

[austere hatch]

There's a US Military reported often stated that during the Pacific War, it took, on average, 6 men to keep 1 fighting and that grew in numbers and complexity with each difference.

[austere hatch]

Actually, the reason for the shortage wasn't a plan design failing, but a Germany First Policy and that included the Italians with the Royal Navy by that time actually being hurt up for Battleships and Carriers (sorry, playing the game as I type), hence the raid that destroyed the Normandie Dock.

[chilly osprey]

I would note I didn't claim it was down to failure in planning - just that the capacity available for operations was insufficent to deploy the battleships. There were other priorities - namely, you have 'Europe first', but there's also just a higher priority for supporting carriers and cruisers, and less of a reason to be brininging the fuel-hungry battleships.

[chilly osprey]

This paper talks about it to a degree;

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA407830.pdf

[eternal veldt]

Thanks.

[solid mango]

I think I should've specified I was asking abt which radars were on the masts, and it does seem the radar antennas on all four directors are present in her 1942 config

[eternal veldt]

A wee bit hard to see and at work: but from stem to stern:
Mark 37 director w/Mark 4 radar
Mark 34 director w/Mark 3 radar
Foremast: SG
Main mast: SC radar, faint traces of HF/DF
Rear directors as same as forward.

[solid mango]

I see thanks

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/LockheedMartin/status/1635000207464120320

Lockheed Martin (@LockheedMartin)

Congratulations @TopGunMovie for receiving six nominations from @TheAcademy! 🥂 #Oscars95

To celebrate, we are sharing some Maverick-worthy images of real aircraft. #RealTopGun

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Twitter · Mar 12, 2023, 7:30 PM

[frigid karma]

I wonder what the point of darkstar would be

[terse tinsel]

Economic deficit.

[subtle prawn]

Cool factor

[eternal veldt]

From Sireneracker on wows, apparently Dulin passed away

[spring briar]

Roscosmos was just seized by Kazachstan

[remote monolith]

youch, o7

[zealous vine]

I didn't know the British secretly exported 15" mounts to the Soviets back then

[ivory ridge]

I hate twitter
(this was machine translated and i just fixed a couple of words so that's why they look weird)

[maiden citrus]

whoops looked like we bombed ourselves with hundreds of japanese planes that the japanese admitted were theirs

[solid mango]

My brain melted reading that, and now I am crippled

[dapper parcel]

I mean, even if it was indeed a bait the onus is still on the Japanese...

[spring briar]

Italian flag in username

[ivory ridge]

[frigid karma]

Gaslight him into saying Pearl Harbor was done by the poles

If he’s dented, at least have fun with it

[ivory ridge]

they ended up claiming that the president supposedly knowing that the attack was coming is the same as doing the attack themselves

[tough quail]

it was a self attack because I did it

[manic latch]

Nanking would be good example

Pearl harbor is odd one

[alpine onyx]

Ever seen a US battleship explode? No? Then how did Arizona explode? Checkmate

[spring briar]

Do american export bb’s count?

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/battle-ship-boom-battle-gif-19352567

[rapid junco]

I dunno how it is on the oversea people
But usually i know some twitters users with half a dozen flags on the user name

[manic latch]

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/usaf-favours-pandw-f-35-engine-upgrade-over-adaptive-cycle-engine-replacement/152449.article

Nerfed

[rapid junco]

Ngl
I thought that the people saying "US attacked first because they sank a midget submarine near Pearl Harbour" were crazy

Now my "Crazy people" definition was updated

[frigid karma]

What a year

The f22 got its first a2a kill, and now the mq9

[manic latch]

Su-27 didn't crash

It rammed prop of MQ-9

[frigid karma]

Didn’t they both crash?

[manic latch]

US report said "almost causing crash of both planes"

[frigid karma]

Ah

[subtle prawn]

No, only the MQ-9 ditched in the Black Sea

[manic latch]

Yeah

[spring briar]

I don’t have twitter

[rapid junco]

I've
It's been like

Months since i don't use

I promised that i would return
Because i've a dedicated profile about Brazilian Naval History

Aaaand
One month ago i was supposed to make my first post of the year

And i didn't

Well
At least today i found something that gave me a little giggle

I was reading an edition of the RMB (Brazilian Maritime Magazine)
On an article about the life of Fábio de Sá Earp (well, part of his live, when he was a naval aviator)
And there was a small moment when he and other two aviators went to the cabinet of Admiral Alexandrino (minister of the Navy in that time)
To ask for a permission to dismiss the use of uniform on a health inspection for a volunteering for the UK

They had to wait for Alexandrino to arrive on its cabinet
When he did, he entered all smiley and happy and asked
"What's up, young men?"
Literary, (O que há, jovens?)

[spring briar]

Mfw I’m a sailor on a great lakes freighter in 1913 on the middle of lake Huron when a November storm hits

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-meme-gif-26066047

[tough quail]

true

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1635713920722665492

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Remembering the "four-piper" Clemson-class destroyer USS Yarborough (DD-314) on Pi Day.
#PiDay #314Day.

Twitter · Mar 14, 2023, 6:46 PM

[frigid karma]

Interesting how pi day is shortly followed by murder prominent italians day

[maiden citrus]

clemson class ahoy

[spring briar]

Fellow fourstacker DD

[dapper parcel]

Maine in shambles

well, idk if she's literally a battleship, but she's indeed literally in shambles

[deep apex]

Maine was an armored cruiser

[storm echo]

we don't talk about the 16 battle stars that Portland has

[deep apex]

Tfw you end up everywhere because you were just needed everywhere at all times

[spring briar]

Où obus

[delicate beacon]

24kg at 825mps iirc

I estimate it's from 1910 or so but I have no info

Will parse the pictures at a later date

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/951831010897690705/1085593132218994799/image.png

stunning wisdom from the usn in the late 60s

"dont put a jet with a nonfunctional radar into rotation"

[ivory ridge]

[desert agate]

is the WCS a radar?

or just what connects the radar to the missile?

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1636008926666797059

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1945, the Balao-class submarine USS Lancetfish (SS-296) flooded and sank at the Boston Navy Yard after a worker opened a torpedo tube. The sub had the shortest service history among all U.S. Navy vessels, lasting just 41 days between commissioning and decommissioning.

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Twitter · Mar 15, 2023, 2:18 PM

[spiral cedar]

http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-093.pdf

projectiles mass detonate?" The apparent answer is NO, they will not. If you
consider that there were a total of 18 possible acceptor projectiles on all
six shots, and that only two reacted in any way, an estimate of the
probability of reaction is 2/18 or 11%. (NOTE: Because of the limited number
of shots, this is, at best, a crude estimate). 

In order for a reaction to be self-sustaining, i.e., propagate, the
reaction probability must be at least 25% (PD3 greater than 1/N, where N is
the number of nearest neighbors). Since our estimate (11%) is less than this,
the reaction chain is not self-sustaining--i.e., the reaction would die out.```

[spring briar]

This has to do with the 16” HC being hit by shrapnell and exploding?

And if it would be able to set off other HC projectiles?

[spiral cedar]

The 16"/50 round is shown schematically in Figure 1. The projectile empty case weight (including base plug and gas check gasket) is 1720 pounds. The projectile is filled with 154 pounds of Explosive D (Ammonium Picrate). The average wall thickness is 3 to 3 1/2 inches.

Previous NESIP (Naval Explosives Safety Improvement Program) work has investigated the sympathetic characteristics of 5"/54 projectiles loaded with both Composition A-3 and Explosive D. Those loaded with Explosive D failed to detonate even when in contact with a donor projectile; those loaded with Composition A-3 sympathetically detonated, even out to significant separations between donor and acceptor. The same held true for pallets of the ammunitionthose loaded with Explosive D do not detonate, those loaded with Composition A-3 do.

The 5"/54, 8"/55, and 16"/50 are a family of HC (High Capacity) shells, which have been loaded with Explosive D. The similarities between these three shells should afford a reliable way to estimate the 16"/50 behavior, based on the 5"/54 and 8"/55 data. A comparison of all three projectiles is presented in Table 1.

[spiral cedar]

If one HC shell confined in a magazine exploded high-order, would it cause the other projectiles in the magazine to also detonate

As in, the shells are all right next to one another

[spring briar]

So yes, ok

Neat

[spring briar]

But was this really a surprise?

[spiral cedar]

It tracks from other wartime data I know

So not a surprise per se, fits my priors

But more evidence in a more consistent test environment is pretty interesting nonetheless

[spring briar]

Indeed

Shoutout to this boy

[spiral cedar]

Is there a listing of cap weight

[spring briar]

No but I have that data

Let me go look for it

[frigid karma]

“Sympathetically detonated”

[spiral cedar]

Composition A-3 is a later war filler used for AA projectiles for a greater lethal radius (~50% greater)

But less safe compared to Explosive D

[spring briar]

97 lbs

[spiral cedar]

Just the AP cap right? Not the windscreen?

[spring briar]

positive

[spiral cedar]

[spring briar]

oop

[spring briar]

@spiral cedar don't be brittle

But it seems pretty clear that Japanese AP performance was still poor. Brown strongly criticizes the Royal Navy, which observed this war closely from the Japanese side, for failing to recognize the implications of the Japanese shell failures.```

TL;DR
what sank Russian battleships at Tsushima was -as I have long been saying- flooding damage caused to unarmoured sections close to the waterline of Russian battleships by large caliber (12") shells in combination of overwhelmed damage control due to the fires set by Japanese bursters

Moreover, because of the long range at which the Russian BB's opened fire (14-15k yards!!), British observers argued that British ships should open fire at 20k yards! in future combat

comparably, the USN wasn't considering battle ranges over 6k yards as relevant, as did the MN

[frigid karma]

at the time, right?

[spring briar]

in 1905 ofc yes

[frigid karma]

also

using the performance of the russian fleet at the tsushima as a baseline for comparison is ehh

[spring briar]

I am only looking at the performance of the shells and armor

[manic latch]

Richy
If all Russian shells penned their hits during battle

Would battle change

[spring briar]

Russian shells, closely modelled to French shells (331.7 kg light shells) using wet pyroxylin (guncotton)
penetrated Japanese heavy armor and detonated behind the armor as well

(ofc the dud rate was significant, but nothing unusual for that era)

after this
Russia also wrongly concluded that they needed heavier bursters and ships with more spaced armor and a more armoured waterline

quite sad

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

also

[frigid karma]

that brings up another point, actually

to what degree did the revolution influence ship design

or more specifically, the mass purges following the revolution

[spring briar]

apparently Mikasa was firing AP with the left barrel and HE with the right

[manic latch]

Soyuz is still carrying this Tsushima lessons.
Armored waterline belt, larger armor belt for magazines

[spring briar]

the waterline belt is more of an icebreaker krem

[manic latch]

Aint that kinda high for that

[spring briar]

ice is deep

[manic latch]

Damn

[spring briar]

[spring briar]

it influenced Russia to seek help from foreign navies

particularly the Italian navy

[manic latch]

Well Italy was also because they were willing to help

Others were "busy"

[spring briar]

Soviet shipbuilding is sort of a mixture of the 1914 Russian navy and the Italian navy of the interwar

[spring briar]

we literally set up your largest shipyard

and gun manufacturers

Obhukov beloved

[manic latch]

refuses to make BB guns

[frigid karma]

how to CV a canarias

[spring briar]

France was KIIIINDA busy

[frigid karma]

ngl that looks cool as fuck tho

[spring briar]

but Krem

Russian AP at Tsushima WORKED

!

[manic latch]

[frigid karma]

one of the few things which did

[manic latch]

At least it influenced Japan to this

Decisive battle fetish

[spring briar]

one issue

Japanese ships were very well armoured (armoured waterline)

[manic latch]

British design right

[spring briar]

Tsesarevich had an armoured waterline

[manic latch]

French Fren

[spring briar]

and I believe some of the older Russian pre dreads had them too

I want someone to draw a manga of the battle of Tsushima

with a manga pannel showing the penetration and bursting of a 12" shell in a crew compartiment

AOT won't have shit on that

[manic latch]

Since when eaten Alive is less scary than a 12" shell death

[spring briar]

btw

Nisshin was hit by 6 12" russian shells

and of her 4 8" gun barrels, 3 were cut by the shells

[manic latch]

She still survived?

[spring briar]

yes

[manic latch]

Hacker

[spring briar]

HAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHA

[strong plank]

She was running Last Stand

[manic latch]

What if

disarms the ship literally

makes boarding party to capture

[spring briar]

honestly

if the russian bb's had had armoured waterlines (specifically oslyabaya and Aleksandr III), the result would've been a lot different

(probably)

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

(can't say for certain as the fires are still a factor)

[spiral cedar]

Do you have a good book/paper on the Tsushima damage

[spring briar]

Campbell's from warrior to dreadnought has some great detail

but I've been looking for a project to do in my free time

and I think I will make a detailed breakdown (including plans of the ships to show damage)

kind of like the Sodak damage analysis on navweaps

Tsushima is a beautiful case study of good vs bad shells as well as good vs bad armor (with bad armor I mean lack of armoured waterline)

having an armoured waterline in the pre dreadnought age is simply too important since the lack of TDS forces you to focus on improving the protection against shells hitting directly

we all know what a mine/torp would do to a pre dread anyways

look at Irresistible, Bouvet, Ocean 10 years later

and look at Navarin, Sissoi Velikiy at Tsushima

(although Sissoi sank after scuttling herself)

it's important!!!

[shut wren]

Uhh

Now

[thorn trail]

what's TDS

[spring briar]

torpedo defence system

[thorn trail]

ah ok

[spring briar]

(don't tell the germans this, but Lutzow's sinking was also due to having too little waterline armor)

(100mm is not enough for stopping lyddite whompers)

I find Tsushima fascinating

cursed image

[shut wren]

What if

BB turret but It can shoot missiles

[manic latch]

K-1000

[spring briar]

don't

[shut wren]

Cool

[spring briar]

bruh...

[spiral cedar]

[spring briar]

found ballistic test results on the nickel steel/compound armor plates of the Italian ironclads

[frigid karma]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-recent-high-explosive-shell-tes/

1901

[spring briar]

Yes thats the article

[delicate beacon]

Goalkeeper better

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1636122119296757765

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

During the bombardment of Saipan in 1944, USS Tennessee (BB-43) fired a shot that rivaled Robin Hood when a projectile from one of the battleship's 14-inch guns destroyed a bunker by going straight down the barrel of a Japanese 8-inch gun.
#WarshipWednesday

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Twitter · Mar 15, 2023, 9:48 PM

[compact basin]

Canberra moving into position for the International Naval Review, in Hampton Roads, Virginia, United States, 12 Jun 1957...

[delicate beacon]

Oh yeah, some thing from my visit today.

There was a treasury room with among it a complete set of Kabuto samurai armour set up.

You know how those always look imposing in many media

Well, it's different in real life.
In movies they're always viewed from low angles to look as imposing as possible.

For a Dutch person looking at something medieval Asian sized, it looks very cute.

[maiden citrus]

it was one thing I considered when making maka the character and I was afraid I might make her seem too tall if she was my height

since she would tower over japanese soldiers

[delicate beacon]

ngl I always get confused when I read anime character hights.

[maiden citrus]

'and here is our protag, skullfucker mcgee, height: 5'1'

[frigid karma]

be 6 foot tall asian

"bro why aren't you in a basketball team?"

"you're so tall for an asian"

[delicate beacon]

See

It took me a few seconds to get what you meant Qwerty

Because 6 foot is perfectly average.

In my rural area that's even on the short side.

[frigid karma]

it is, but not for asians

[dapper parcel]

Not even that, my forehead is flat from constantly bashing against metro door

Heck, the ad display/screen thing on the carriage is even lower than 6 foot level I think

The door is nominally 1850mm high, but your gait most likely account for more than 50mm when you're disembarking into lower platform

[maiden citrus]

[spiral cedar]

Is she...a Tennessee?

[eternal veldt]

No , it's a spud.

[spiral cedar]

Ah

[eternal veldt]

Those are single 5"/38s.

Just arranged in a manner that appears like a twin. Cool factor.

[spiral cedar]

Yeah it's confusing

[eternal veldt]

Doubly confusing is that one of the single mounts is hidden inboard.

Always thought it was four mounts per broadside and then

Concealed weaponry smh

[spiral cedar]

Oh that's goofy

[eternal veldt]

Interesting that ejection chutes are used too

..which are apparently common on the single mounts. huh.

The Mark 28/32 twins typically only had hatches.

[solid mango]

It me

[solid mango]

Sang is booli

[spring briar]

Finally

@maiden citrus @spiral cedar

[spiral cedar]

Snoipah time

Time to have a firing solution calculated out at 37,000 yards

[spring briar]

Long range math

[maiden citrus]

years have we waited

while wargaming jebaited

delivered at last

(also yes it has the thunderbolt mount)

[lavish fable]

colo... but secondary built

[eternal veldt]

Unfortunately very inaccurate in game.

[maiden citrus]

yeah, wg moment

[eternal veldt]

The better the "sigma" value, the better the dispersion over range.

Colorado is at 2.0, WeeVee is at a pissing...1.7.

[maiden citrus]

though wv being t7 was like, uhhhhh

so I guess???

[eternal veldt]

So no trashing Fuso over long range memes

[maiden citrus]

idk, wack decision dominoes

[eternal veldt]

Instead, sail closer and hit them with your sword 5"/38s

[maiden citrus]

mmm yis battleship that showed some of the best accuracy of the war

1.7 sigma

[lavish fable]

you all do know that the citadel on WV 44

is easier to hit

so like GLHF up tiered

[eternal veldt]

Uh

Just A or D

"Dodge Harder"

[maiden citrus]

it should be harder to hit due to amagi tds syndrome

[lavish fable]

fair point... put let's be honest

there's going to be a lot of whales for that

who will sit broad

[eternal veldt]

You already have two over here

Good, more whales the better

Give a monkey a WV44, I want to do good in her

[lavish fable]

well time to bring out the CV and make them even happier

[eternal veldt]

@slow raft obligatory ping, if you are the same person I knew back on KNTAI.

[maiden citrus]

hm, they're not in the kntai discord, but maybe they just left

[lavish fable]

oh yeah anyone who currently plays wows... how's CB's going?

[eternal veldt]

He was Tashkent if I recall

[maiden citrus]

poggo

[lavish fable]

restricted overmatch BBs kinda bs XD

but i mean... gotta have less people getting full to 0'ed in CBs ig

[eternal veldt]

The 5-O Ocean Gray kinda pisses me off low key

Too saturated and blue

[lavish fable]

I mean... camo's are just eye candy now...

does it matter that much?

[eternal veldt]

When WG is lazybones about most of it? Yes.

[lavish fable]

mm

fair point

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

Idaho my beloved

[maiden citrus]

with wv 44 I am eating well, and lots of standard pics here

[spring briar]

I also found a new picture of Lorraine

[eternal veldt]

One more then

Look at that crowd.

[wintry moat]

https://youtu.be/YdrISbwy_zI

this hits different, seeing a real ship go up in flames

[lavish fable]

When we going to get Wyoming where they replaced the 356mm turrets with 127s

[wintry moat]

What?

Didn't Wyoming have 12inch guns?

[spring briar]

She did

6 centreline twin 12”

[lavish fable]

brain no work at 1 AM

sorry

https://preview.redd.it/gip8teqhghv61.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=fd22fbf5cb747172f6c5c7ee5e73575c5ebebb1a

this

is what i'm getting at

[eternal veldt]

Wyoming at that is AG-17 focused on training AA personnel

Even her armoured belt is stripped, so sending her out to any actual combat scenario is just very no

[spring briar]

Same with the Wolverine and Sable

[lavish fable]

Make it T3 premium

[spring briar]

Strictly for training

[lavish fable]

i know

would be fun to see it used how it's not supposed to be used... like half the boats in wows...

[eternal veldt]

Most naval vessels in WoWS are actually designed for their role, dumb as their design/in contradiction to their nation's respective doctrine may be

[lavish fable]

so worcester rushing cap... is it's design? jkjk

[eternal veldt]

Can't fix idiocy.

[lavish fable]

lol yeah but I hear ya..

[spring briar]

No wows talk pls

[lavish fable]

yes Richelieu

[spring briar]

Uss Wolverine’s original form

[lavish fable]

ah

[spring briar]

This is why I hate all carrier conversions from civilian ships

[lavish fable]

hmm what was that river boat that like sort of sank in the chicago river then was bought by the US navy and turned into a gunboat??

[lavish fable]

that got turned into a CV???

[spring briar]

Yes

Into USS Wolverine

[lavish fable]

[spring briar]

To train carrier crews to land

[lavish fable]

that... disgusts me...

[livid python]

No USS cyborg?

I mean Cyclop*

[spring briar]

That’s the power of having five fresh water inland seas inside your country

[livid python]

[lavish fable]

[spring briar]

The great lakes

[eternal veldt]

Cyclops is a collier anyway

Honestly, the wackier conversion is that italian one

Strap 2 DD hulls together, paste a flight deck on top

[livid python]

French ship Supremacy

[lavish fable]

[eternal veldt]

Thanks Guidoni

[lavish fable]

please tell me this only stayed as a napkin sketch

[eternal veldt]

Naturally.

[spring briar]

That goes without saying

So, don’t say it

[lavish fable]

so i figured out it was the SS eastland that got bought by the Navy and turned into the USS Wilmette

[dapper parcel]

Don't hold your breath, catamaran CV design concepts still coming back from time to time

[livid python]

But all Destroyed in Mers el Kebir

Sadly

[spring briar]

?

Only Bretagne

[lavish fable]

wasn't there some stealth catamaran vessel design thing??

[spring briar]

You’re probably thinking of Toulon, and even then that was barely half the navy and mostly cruisers and DD’s

[eternal veldt]

Alexandria and Dakar forces eventually joined the Free French Naval Forces.

And hence the lengthy refits in the US in 1943.

[spring briar]

PT boat radar

[eternal veldt]

Shit propellent too, yes

And "why the fuck do you have so many galleys"

[spring briar]

Why the fuck do you eat ice cream in soda

Mysteries of the universe

[eternal veldt]

Also, we're taking your 152mm gun

It is not a request

[spring briar]

I can’t believe it

[eternal veldt]

Its definitely just for manufacturing the 152mm shells, trust me

Not going to Dahlgren

[spring briar]

Can I atleast get some Gleaves?

[zealous vine]

What naval air force in ww2 used air-to-surface rockets other than the USN?

[subtle prawn]

The RN

[zealous vine]

Did the axis use any?

[dapper parcel]

British RP3
German WGr 21

BR 21

Soviet RS82

Ohka is technically a rocket, but ...

[slow raft]

Tashkent reporting!

[eternal veldt]

WeeVee's here

After a long long time

[slow raft]

Yeah I saw the post on reddit, and I'm pretty pissed they made her a secondary battleship.

[eternal veldt]

Mhm. Things arent looking good.

Gonna have a peek at her when people get their hands on her model.

[slow raft]

Because you know, the ship that hit Yamashiro on the first Salvo at Surigao, the pride of the gunnery competitions in the Pacific fleet....1.7 sigma and 235m dispersion

I stopped playing warships and uninstalled when Renown 44 was announced, I'm still pissed about that

[eternal veldt]

Both Renowns' models aren't accurate either, if it's any consolation...

War Thunder datamine has her, but somehow someone was stupid enough to use fridge doors for the tubes instead

And laughably, neither is Repulse

[maiden citrus]

[slow raft]

I'm more upset that they decided to use Renown 1947 for both her A and B hull and pretend that AA mattered enough to not give us her full complement of DP secondaries

[eternal veldt]

Truly repair and refit needed

Should be Renown 1945, her secbat was gone in Jan 1945

And B hull...yea, no.

[slow raft]

She was scrapped in 48 so I just picked a date between 45 and 48 tbh.

[eternal veldt]

Her camouflage tried to mimick that of the Pacific Fleet, so 45 should be about right

But yes, incredibly stupid

[slow raft]

At least back in the day the devs and the balancing people at least pretended to give a damn about history and tie it into the ship in some way.

[eternal veldt]

And while Maka loved the new branch of US BBs, can't say I do, even if I love clipper bows and the like

Kansas and Minnesota just burns my eye

[slow raft]

They're OK, but not what anyone asked for or needed

[eternal veldt]

Well, that's WG for you.

Still, figured I'd give you a headsup.

And if by chance you're interested in some standard goodies, I recently got my hands on the booklet plans of a couple of them.

[slow raft]

'Preeciate it

:3

[eternal veldt]

Shame that only the hull lines of WeeVee was found.

Here, FYI.

Only top deck view

[slow raft]

Likely as the booklet was for the yard, detailing the modifications made to her upperworks?

Just guessing

[eternal veldt]

Or likely didnt survive - some pages are pretty badly damaged on some booklets.

Some parts of Pensacola and Nevada's were either torn or very badly faded.

[maiden citrus]

yeah they did them dirty but I like them too much to be entirely offput

[eternal veldt]

Understandable

[slow raft]

I wish I could find a solid set of plans of USS Narwhal or Nautilus

I know HNSA has one of them as built but I really need to find ones that detail some of the interior.

Or the equipment under the gun deck

Sadly I don't know if I can contact Mare Island to see if they would have it or who they would have sent them to. Maybe whatever became of BuShips?

Aha, it appears I'm on the right track.

[eternal veldt]

Hmm, don't have any of those two V-boats on my end.

Earliest I have is SS-170.

[slow raft]

Yeah, finding anything on them original is very difficult

Been building a 3d model of them (and Argonaut) and it's been a slog collecting references

[eternal veldt]

Need Argonaut's? I've got hers.

[slow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-what-are-you-waiting-for-determined-angry-gif-5247874

Uh yes I'd like that plz

[eternal veldt]

Just unfortunately undated.

[slow raft]

Well, I'm going to guess this isn't far from her keel laying date

[livid python]

What is the Most Unknown Battleship ever made?

[eternal veldt]

Depends on where you're from

but really, none. Battleships by default are expensive assets, with extremely wide media coverage.

[spring briar]

Aquidaba

[eternal veldt]

@maiden citrus Pennsy 1945 BoGP

[livid python]

Brazilian ship?

[eternal veldt]

and now if you'll excuse me, I'll get the eye gun

Just found a Baltimore's BoGP, regarding this discussion

Of course it's Helena

[slow raft]

@eternal veldt
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/53484613

grumbles in having to email or call the national archives

[eternal veldt]

Don't live in the US unfortunately, so no dice for me. 😛

[slow raft]

My wife and I were planning on going to Washington DC anyway....Maybe I can convince her to go archive diving with me

[eternal veldt]

Peek around and see if Spring Styles book 2 is buried somewhere, will you? 😉

They found Spring Styles Book 4 recently afterall.

[spring briar]

Yes

[slow raft]

This is especially useful since V-4 through 6 had similar towers as built, and one of the hardest references to find has been how the deck is laid out behind the fairwaters and how they correspond with the hatches.
It's also interesting to note that no reference is made on these plans of the auxiliary periscope located on the for'd part of the tower that went to the control room that was supposed to be used for specific scenarios, hence why the main scopes are labeled #2 and #3.
It was deleted from the V-5 group, as it was completely useless

[eternal veldt]

Glad it helped then. 😄

[slow raft]

I emailed the archives about SS-168, there seems to be a lot of plans for Nautilus lying around

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfeNDDKoZhE

[spiral cedar]

Naisu

[manic latch]

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/techwatch/2023/03/15/us-armys-new-helicopter-engine-hit-with-another-delay/

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLdDTkg0lzE

[manic latch]

Damn he actually made a video about it

[delicate beacon]

@spring briar 15cm Schneider

12cm L50

[spring briar]

@manic latch

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/how-to-train-your-dragon-gif-23356423

[rapid junco]

This one?

[spring briar]

Yes

Beloved

[rapid junco]

In that day that Aquidabã exploded
The minister of the Navy (Admiral Júlio de Noronha) was on board of one of the cruisers at the bay
And one of the casualties was his own son, Midshipman Mário de Noronha

[spring briar]

Didn’t even know she blew up

How

[rapid junco]

Magazine explosion
That was on January 21st, 1906

[spring briar]

But how

[rapid junco]

Well
The causes of the explosion were never fully elucidated
One hypothesis point for a cordite explosion

[spring briar]

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWN4Yl02DyU

[rapid junco]

She sunk at the Baptista das Neves Sound
https://www.naufragiosdobrasil.com.br/naufaquidaban.htm

[rapid junco]

Did you also know that she was torpedoed during the Armada Revolt?

[spring briar]

No

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1636403280367562752

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1945, MajGen Harry Schmidt declared that Iwo Jima was secure after 25 days of combat. A pocket of Japanese defenders continued to fight for two more weeks. ADM Nimitz's quotation about the courage of the Marines is inscribed on the @USMC War Memorial in Arlington, VA.

Twitter · Mar 16, 2023, 4:25 PM

[frigid karma]

@spring briar

Why is the French naval ensign 30-33-37 parts blue white red and not equal

[spring briar]

It used to be this

Can we go back?

[frigid karma]

i thought that was a fork

[spring briar]

It’s a “boooi” hand

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-mario-boi-meme-boi-meme-gif-24516330

[chilly osprey]

It's to make it appear as if the flag is equally proportioned when seen from a distance

Optical illusions

[spring briar]

Oh because of the blue being attached to the pole?

[chilly osprey]

I think so, yeah

[spring briar]

Oh nvm

I have seen this picture before

Wooden hull right?

[rapid junco]

I think so

Pre dreads and ironclads aren't my forte

[spring briar]

Should be wood

Fully iron/steel hulls are mostly post 1880

[rapid junco]

The "culprit"
Torpedo boat "Gustavo Sampaio"

[shrewd pecan]

https://twitter.com/britisharmy/status/1636379575105241094?s=46&t=SN56KiicdV4OePQu5xNjhw

British Army 🇬🇧 (@BritishArmy)

In a new deal with Sweden, the British Army will receive modern artillery platforms to replace those supplied to Ukraine.

"Archer fires further and faster than any artillery system previously in service with the British Army."

Read more: https://t.co/vb1WxY5Ejp

Likes

1200

Retweets

135

Twitter · Mar 16, 2023, 2:51 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/03/16/congress-notified-of-potential-895m-tomahawk-sale-to-australia

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-5450018