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SK CV is likely dead

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hasnt been officially canned yet

but yeah its not going anywhere soon

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rip to the mini QE/big trieste

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Nexon aircraft carrier (partially sponsored by Saudi Arabia)

Blue archive collab

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blue archive

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Naval warfare needs to go back to ramming and boarding actions frfr on god

[tough quail]

guys look at my carrier proposal

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Bwue Awchive

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/695802222063386685/1073275186490650756/koharu_too.gif

FUCK

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Making good use of that gif I gave you

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the italian navy asked for a new carrier and the mod looked at them weird

[tough quail]

oh ive gotten plenty of mileage out of it

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What have you done

[humble mulch]

Indias carrier is a Russian one they bought right

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Yep

[shrewd pecan]

They have a domestically built one as well now

[desert agate]

It's okay Canberra you use that ramp when you feel like it

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Kiev class ye, they have new Vikrant

Domestic build

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Pog

India naval power time

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Carrier_(Medium) personally I’m curious to see if that new light/medium carrier proposal the USN has goes anywhere

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Superpower when

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2020

[tough quail]

india despite being india has a based arsenal

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https://twitter.com/p_triglavcanin/status/1633428777928732673

Patrick Triglavcanin (@p_triglavcanin)

World's top 10 strongest navy's according to the Global Firepower Index.

Maybe after the AUKUS announcement the UK will be boosted from 43rd, and Australia from 60th (just below Georgia)!😬

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2023, 11:25 AM

[tough quail]

by virtue of just being a mash of weird russian and french stuff

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How the fuck

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India superpower 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023

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Is Thailand 8

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this is purely hull numbers btw

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How is North Korea 3rd

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If they ever go with this,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vishal

[humble mulch]

Wait

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patrol boats

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I know

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Baltimore cries in fear at glorious

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Wait LMAO

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Tea you're asking the wrong question

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Dprk

Navy

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NK has the worlds largest submarine fleet

fun fact

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your brain on juche

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how much of it works

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Sweden and Indonesia I don't question

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Larger than Pepsi?

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is another question

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It's Thailand that gets me

[tough quail]

russia to recommission one thousand sea-34s

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I'm sorry.

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Bonecratter time

Those things can have the rockets too bro

[shrewd pecan]

Swedens might navy of like 4 subs and 3 corvettes

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Is a bmp with a naval turret on it a warship

[tough quail]

...have we seen anyone shove t-72 or t-54 turrets onto patrol boats yet

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[desert agate]

and 50 PT boats

[humble mulch]

Technical yeah

Needs to stay on the water for at least 8 hrs a day imo

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and like 200 fast attack and landing craft

[tough quail]

the derivatsiya is using a naval 57mm iirc and thats a bmp hull

[shrewd pecan]

CB90s

[tough quail]

so that should count

[shrewd pecan]

CB90 with NSMs when

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Yaz class armored river patrol boat

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Also I tabbed in and watched this in real time next to my client supervisor

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I mean Sweden has their own CVs

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Some damn good mileage

[tough quail]

god bless

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That's cute

[tough quail]

finally

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Hey guys look at my cute river vampires

[tough quail]

a weapon to rival that one german ship with a panzerhaubitze literally strapped to the deck

[shrewd pecan]

Equip the frigates from hell

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I think she also tested a laser system once. Or stayed as proposal

[tough quail]

that things adorable

[spring briar]

No more modern talk pls

From now on only pre 1886 talk

[tough quail]

amx-13 riverboat when

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No lebel?

Btw what was that French rifle with 3 rounds again

[humble mulch]

Smardan class river monitors are cute

[spring briar]

Berthier

[spring briar]

You are cute

[humble mulch]

New Romanian monitors aren't as cute

They remind me of like

Making a warship out of a Lego boat

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I think literally nothing can beat this T-55 turret one tho

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Lmao

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It's like the most extreme point you can still use T-55 turret

[tough quail]

deutsche super science

[spring briar]

“Kill me”

[tough quail]

they did

they took his head

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Remove the hull

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i was about to post that as well

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Serious question

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good thing i didnt

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Ratte vs Hipper

Who wins

[spring briar]

Hipper

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Hipper

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god's wrath

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Three ratte’s vs a hipper

Then

[spring briar]

1. ratte could never be built
2. ratte is shit

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6 283s vs 8 203s

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8 203mm vs 6 283mm. Hipper has more chance to make hits

[tough quail]

the rattes

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But one is on land

[tough quail]

they'll have an easier time hitting hipper than the reverse

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Do we even know how much armor ratte has

[tough quail]

steadier platform plus (kind of) smaller targets

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Or was it just a napkin drawing

[spring briar]

No because the numbers given are impossible

[spiral cedar]

Hipper has better fire control and rangefinding I suspect

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completely unrelated to the topic but i just saw this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828701676717342780/1083076968527962253/rpk7e281nlia1.webp

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150–360 mm (5.9–14.2 in)

Uuuh

What part is 360 tho

Front?

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Priablpt turret

Probably turret

[tough quail]

what the actual fuck

[spiral cedar]

Weight and Armor Thickness

One interesting aspect of the P 1000 proposal is the weight. As mentioned above, the weight of the P 1000 was intended to be 1000 tons, however this would have resulted relatively thin armour. Since only conceptual drawings exist, it is difficult to calculate the exact size of the intended armour plates. The drawings do indicate a relatively box-like appearence, so assuming the hull itself was a box 35 metres long, 5 metres tall (and not 11 because of the turret and ground clearence) and 14 metres wide seems reasonable. By not including the superstructure in the height, these dimensions should be sufficient for a rough calculation. The turret is not included, because the armament weight of 300 t would have to include the turret armour, since the weight of the guns themselves is only 100 tons in total (Hahn, p. 93). Thus, the 200 tons allocated for armour would have to be distributed on six armour plates:

Two plates of 5 by 14 metres (front and rear)
Two plates of 35 by 5 metres (sides)
One plate of 35 by 6.8 metres (floor, not including space taken up by the 7,2 metre wide tracks)
One plate of 17.5 by 14 metres (roof, not including space taken up by the turret)
Steel weigh 7.85 tons per cubic metre, so 200 tons would be equivilant to about 25.5 cubic metres of steel. The average thickness can therefore be calculated as 25.5 = (2 * 5 * 14 * x) + (2 * 35 * 5 * x) + (35 * 6.8 * x) + (17.5 * 14 * x), which gives us a result of approximately 26 mm. The roof plate would likely not require as much steel, as it would also include service and ventilation panels for the engines. Likewise, the floor plate would probably not be as thick as the front, side and rear plates, as was common practise. Nevertheless, an average thickness of 26 mm is rediculously low. For comparison, Gneisenau's turret has an frontal thickness of 358 mm and a side thickness of 190.5 mm, and a deck thickness of 48.3 mm (150 mm for the armoured deck) (Asmussen, B).

If we use the thickness of Gneisenau's turret as a guide, so that the roof and floor is 50 mm thick, the sides and rear 200 mm thick and the front 350 mm thick, we arrive at a total weight of (5 * 14 * 0.35) + (5 * 14 * 0.2) + (2 * 35 * 5 * 0.2) + (35 * 6,8 * 0.05) + (17.5 * 14 * 0.05) = 1041 tons. Therefore, the weight of the P 1000 - if build - would likely have been between 1500 and 2000 tons, with a significantly higher ground pressure as a result.

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Ok front is 358

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Inshallah

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then again we all seen this by now right?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/651823796453638144/1036911307661787156/uncaption.gif

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Dangerous game you playing here

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Yes but what vehicle is that?

[tough quail]

im still really confused what the fuck those are for

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Why is it so tall?

[tough quail]

i know haha shortages but like

theres still shilkas around

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MT-LB with naval ww2 25mm gun

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emergency BMP supplements probably

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Oh

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It's a naval Twin 25mm slapped on Mt-LB. You usually use twin 23mm for it

[tough quail]

just drag the damn shilkas out of storage

hell i know their naval infantry still ooerates them

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Ain't Shilka slow

[shrewd pecan]

I doubt there intended to fight aircraft

[tough quail]

faster than that barge

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Yeah this feels anti infantry or drone

[tough quail]

yeah but shilkas are way better at that too

and dont

..

look like gmod monstrosities

[shrewd pecan]

I don’t think they’d do well against drones either due to uhhhh no modern FCS

again there likely just BMP supplements since MTLBs have been seen increasingly used in frontline combat roles

[tough quail]

hell i think four guys with ks-23s would do better after lopping the barrels off

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How long does it take for satellites to update positions of what they’re observing?

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you dont get it

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Based

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Odesa here we come

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Shilkas are cool looking

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Stolen straight from NachoCheetoDorito land I see

[tough quail]

....okay

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I had a die model of one growing up

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Correct

[tough quail]

now i genuinely wonder

if you could fit a smerch onto an mtlb

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probably not

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I think Japan actually tried something like that on navy. They would combine multiple ships to form a dreadnought power level. Fuck what was their name

[tough quail]

it would be so fucking funny though

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You know some had guns on front some had at back

[shrewd pecan]

Could probably get a GRAD on them

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Fuuck what class was this

[deep apex]

I've never heard of that

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They literally acted or would have acted as Voltron

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I've seen a photo of it

I know what you're talking about but I never learned the name

[tough quail]

i have vague recollections

[shrewd pecan]

also what the hell is up with the Germans and making a ship the tonnage and size of a Ticonderoga with the armament of a corvette https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F126_frigate

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Navies follow traditions you know

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Isn't German ships ends up overweight always

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9.9k ton displacement

only 16 VLS cells

[tough quail]

tato they've been doing that ever since versailles

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Lmao

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Clearly intended in honor of the late goering

Though 9.9k might be a bit low

[shrewd pecan]

They make one capable modern design

and revert back to their old ways

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachsen-class_frigate

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New one looks cool

[chilly osprey]

Starting with the F125 design they've been implementing a new system that basically calls for the ships to duplicate most functions

Which should make them quite resistant to damage

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Bro that thing should have take 127mm wtf

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But their actual combat capabilities haven't really been upgraded otherwise

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That's interesting

[spring briar]

Why not just build 2 ships

[chilly osprey]

Ex, the F126 are ASW frigates - they only need the necessary VLS for self-defense, hence they only have 16 Mk.41 to quadpack ESSM (64 missiles)

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Twice the crew, twice the paperwork

And most importantly

Twice the amount of champagne wasted

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I mean even for a ASW frigate

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Which is actually fairly robust for self-defense

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Germany does the champagne thing, right

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What’s the point of making it that big

[spring briar]

The more germans on sea far away from me, the better

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[chilly osprey]

Redundancy on top of base requirements, endurance/habitability, room for growth over the service life of the ship, etc

[shrewd pecan]

if you aren’t gonna arm it like other ships of its tonnage

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Richie will romance their wives

Like a true Frenchmen

Even if he’s Belgian

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I do like Gorshkov

[tough quail]

that's just the perk of being belgian

you can be french or dutch whenever its convenient

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Goofy ahh VLS

[spring briar]

And German too

But idk why’d you’d wanna be that

[tough quail]

i like the little gun tub

its cute

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But can you be luxenbourgish

[spring briar]

No

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Idk how they are called

[spring briar]

Thank god

[spring briar]

Luxembourgeois

[tough quail]

ill get the mosin

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Bourgeoisie

[shrewd pecan]

Life of the average Luxemburger

don’t actually live in Luxembourg because it’s too expensive

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Baku is like that protective mother

[chilly osprey]

Keep in mind the Germans are now designing their surface combatants to deployed a long ways from home for very long periods of time, and with the assumption of minimum time in port for maintenance. All of this helps drive up the size of the ships.

[spring briar]

USS New Jersey vs HMS Victory

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Now, granted

I don't know how much sense this really makes in the grand scheme of things for Germany

[tough quail]

alright kremlin calm down we're not using baku to destroy all of Luxembourg

[chilly osprey]

But that's what they're going for

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I mean in terms of doctrine that thing is almost always going to be operating near home or friendly ports

[humble mulch]

True communism can only be attained after this tho

This is what Marx really meant

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Is there anything notable about Luxembourg

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I must admit i have no clue how the AShM on that ship work

Do they elevate before firing

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I think they do

[chilly osprey]

Indeed! Deployment overseas for extended periods of time was the mission for the F125's, not the F126 or F127.

So it's a bit odd that they keep the requirement around.

[tough quail]

iirc yes

[spring briar]

No, they launch onto the deck and bounce off

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I feel like the sovereign military order of Malta is more relevant than Luxembourg

[shrewd pecan]

For ASW missions in the north sea and Baltic Sea it’s going to be near friendly ports

[humble mulch]

They clip through the ship by quick saving

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Hmm

[alpine onyx]

I sense Deutschland class vibes

Which means, repeat after me

[shrewd pecan]

Additionally more VLS cells would allow for the integration of more ASW weapons like ASROCs and other anti submarine missiles

[spring briar]

Exactly

[alpine onyx]

Way. Of. The. Diesel.

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I read Non-women Textiles

[spring briar]

Way. Of. The. Man.

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Woven

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I know but this is funnier

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[shrewd pecan]

Even then if your gonna be making ships that big arguably you should be investing more into underway replenishment over trying to give every ship insane endurance

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Cant replenish a sunken ship

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Or can you

[chilly osprey]

And here we run into the problem of Germany never using VL-ASROC and never having raised the intention of procuring such systems.

Because, as an example, that is exactly how the JMSDF arm their ASW frigate equivalents (their 'DDs').

They use 16 VLS for ESSM, and then another 16 for VL-ASROC or Type 07 (Japanese indigenous equivalent), for 32x Mk.41 total.

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And if working alongside nato allies you should have plenty of underway replenishment capabilities

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I mean Germany has quite a few ships for underway replenishment as well

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But having good allies cant stop your ship from going under unless they’re right next to you and can aid with their own damacon teams

[spring briar]

@alpine onyx let us rejoice over the Sachsen class ironclads

[chilly osprey]

In this case 'endurance' means not just cruising radius, but also capacity for solid stores, accommodations for crew, etc. Habitability for crew matters a lot for increasing endurance.

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Does Germany want range for China tho

[chilly osprey]

F125's were meant for deployments around Africa and the Middle East, mainly

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Ah

[shrewd pecan]

It only has 84 crew members

[chilly osprey]

But they did send an ASW frigate to the far east recently

[shrewd pecan]

And is only meant to have 21 days of endurance

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Maybe they like to feast

[alpine onyx]

I rejoice over almost all old ships

[shrewd pecan]

I’m not sure what accommodations they have for those 84 crewmembers for that tonnage but dear god it better be good

[alpine onyx]

As long as they be cute

[spring briar]

I am explicitly referring to the Sachsens

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So each crew member lasts a quarter of a day

Well that’s not good

[chilly osprey]

Other way around.

84 is the accommodation for embarked personnel in addition to the core crew, which is 114

[spring briar]

The Kaiser’s can burn with the wittselbachs

[shrewd pecan]

ah I see

[alpine onyx]

Yep, Sachsen class gets approval

[shrewd pecan]

idk it just seems like you should be getting far more out of a ship that size

Especially when it’s twice the tonnage of ships with similar mission sets with half the armament

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi-class_destroyer

I don’t think you need 6k tons in redundancies either

[chilly osprey]

That is probably 21 days without replenishment.

In terms of deployment time, these things are intended to be able to be deployed away from home for up to two years at a time with 5,000 hours of operation per year. Which is fairly intense - as an example, Italian FREMM frigates, operating on a mix of deployments in the Med or up to eight months on station in the Indian or Atlantic Oceans, averaged 4,200 over the last year (and were actually only designed for 3,000 hrs).

[spring briar]

Colossus vs Devastation
Who wins

[shut wren]

[chilly osprey]

The displacement gap isn't quite as large as 6,000 tons (6,800t vs 10,500t). And, keep in mind this is redundancies and improved habitability on top of just being a physically larger ship, not just in overall length but also beam (18.3m s 21.7m), which allows for things like a larger hangar to operate two helicopters versus one of the Asahi-class - which itself is becoming more standard for ASW frigates nowadays.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I still think the F126 is not enough bang for its buck at that displacement and doesn't put its priorities in the right places

But considering what goes into it, it does make sense that the design turned out the way it did.

But, just as an example - personally speaking I think it's rather silly that a number of navies are still content to field short-range missiles only on their modern frigate designs - as if there wasn't a need for such ships to have better air defenses for escort duties, even if it's an AAW capability still much less than an AAW destroyer.

Ex, a navy with only six AAW platforms should probably not procure frigates with only very local air defense cough, Type 26, cough, Royal Navy

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@tough quail If AL ever made a modern ship game, NP submarine personality would literally be making shakedowns on surface shipgirls for their money

Why Yasen costs 1.6 bil$

[chilly osprey]

Because nuclear powered submarines are highly complex and expensive pieces of equipment

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It should get cheaper in future like most technology right?

[spring briar]

https://preview.redd.it/2lwq3v9477i21.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=eb6402893f02a547add7c418253f8348c2764d17

My fav german ship

Period

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Or it will be worse because nuclear reactors will also being changing?

[chilly osprey]

Cost for such platforms is only trending up

Improvements to the design, its components, and also the sheer weight of inflation over time

[shut wren]

Shits expensive

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oidw96xegw

[spring briar]

Hey guys

Belgium speedbumb

Hihi haha

[delicate beacon]

They should've had Texas, hard counter to Germans

[spring briar]

So funni

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1633460873942675456

A-129 Mangusta (@NichoConcu)

According to Agenparl, the Italian army is looking to buy up to 250 Leopard 2a7. The purchase is estimated to be around 8 billion euro. Italy has repeatedly been interested in the Leopard platform, so this doesn't really suprise me, what does surpise is that 250 number.

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2023, 1:33 PM

[shrewd pecan]

ah

Ariete replacement

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Poor Ariete

No new Marks

[shrewd pecan]

the major upgrade program was cancelled years ago so not surprising

idk considering the drawbacks of the ariete's design it was going to need a replacement at somepoint in the near future

[manic latch]

It's one of NATO MBT without blowout panels right

Challenger and Ariete

[deep apex]

They did get quite close

I'll at least give them that

At the same time, I have to give the French the British admiration too

[shrewd pecan]

challenger 3 will have blowout panels fortunately

[manic latch]

Should expect that from new turret finally

[zealous vine]

Can someone provide me a pic of it? Looks interesting..

[strong plank]

the early essex's had them

but they were removed pretty early on

[glass trail]

https://youtu.be/jVd1vy0vABE

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complement

it's likely gonna be 125 and 125

[shrewd pecan]

ah

[ivory ridge]

it wasnt, it's still going

[shrewd pecan]

Wasn’t the original major one cancelled

[ivory ridge]

what you're thinking is the actual C2 that was oroposed as a completely new tank

TLDR

the Ariete was a transition vehicle

it's essentially a fatter Leopard 1

to give the italian industry some experience

to build an actual tank after it

the C2

which has all sort of cool stuff

minor issue

the cold war ended

program got slashed

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/03/08/usns-maury-to-be-renamed-in-honor-of-geologist-who-mapped-atlantic-ocean

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3yjfZA58SU

[chilly osprey]

Worth noting the validity of this is dubious.

The Italian Army's Chief of Staff, General Serino, had an interview with RID (the leading defense magazine in Italy) towards the end of the last year where he expressed the army's desire to buy 125 Leopard 2A7, as an interim solution to serve alongside the 125 upgraded Ariete up until they could be replaced by a future MBT.

Then, this past February, at a hearing of the Defense Commission, he again put forward the army's request for Leopard 2A7's - though this time only 70-80 tanks.

For it to jump to 250 out of the blue makes no sense, unless the army was suddenly deciding to raise a second armored brigade.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1633615891756711936

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1968, the Soviet submarine K-129 sank in the Pacific. After the U.S. found the wreck, the CIA began the top secret mission "Project Azorian" to recover the sub and its nuclear missiles using a ship with a giant hidden claw. The sub broke apart but a section was salvaged.

Twitter · Mar 8, 2023, 11:49 PM

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https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/australia-expected-buy-up-5-virginia-class-submarines-part-aukus-sources-2023-03-08/

now will they have hypersonic capability

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Submarines going at hypersonic speeds?

[shrewd pecan]

the hypersonic missile capability

the later Virginia's will be receiving

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Wait

No British?

[shrewd pecan]

its expected to

could end being British

US would likely have the best delivery schedule so I wouldn't be surprised if the Virginia wins

considering how quickly we're able to turn them out

[manic latch]

Time

[shrewd pecan]

a Virginia takes about 4 years from being laid down to being commissioned

vs the span of almost a entire decade for a Astute

now if the Brits choose they could likely speed up the Astutes delivery schedule

but at the sametime they do longterm construction for a reason

[strong plank]

It’s a multi-stage program

I imagine they’re starting by buying an existing American design to build familiarity with the capability

[shrewd pecan]

for all they know

they could end up being both since the original attack class requirement

called for 12 subs

[strong plank]

Before moving onto a joint US-British design

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Bro isn't having both is bad for logistics

[shrewd pecan]

not really if your buying 5-6 ships of the same class

[manic latch]

Parts will be all different

Hmm

[shrewd pecan]

as Regal said it would likely be

5 Virginia's, rest being the combination design

[manic latch]

So what Astute offers over Virginia

[shrewd pecan]

idk what there offering the Aussies

if its the standard Astute not much

[manic latch]

F

[strong plank]

Astutes might be able to get into their hands sooner?

I’m not familiar with each country’s respective production capacities and existing orders for their own subs

[shrewd pecan]

Astute's have about 2 more torpedo tubes

but lack VLS cells

with the Virginia class assuming its block V they get the hypersonic strike capability

room for a ton of tomahawks and other missiles

and the 4 standard torpedo tubes

[manic latch]

Hmm if I'm being rushed by Chinese attack subs

I would prefer Astute?

[shrewd pecan]

both would hold their own in such a fight

especially considering a rushing attack sub is much easier to detect than one in silent running

[manic latch]

[strong plank]

I’m not sure which capability the Australians would want more. Hit’s probably the one to ask

[shrewd pecan]

I don't know what design changes or what exactly is being offered beyond Virginia and Astute

if its Virginia I'm just assuming block V because that's what's going into production rn

[shut wren]

[shrewd pecan]

Astutes could have any number of modifications for Australian service that make it more competitive to the virginia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUM-125_Sea_Lance#:~:text=The UUM-125 Sea Lance,5 ASROC anti-submarine missiles

[shut wren]

Could Submarine based Missiles be used on land or air?

or VLS on surface ships?

[shrewd pecan]

harpoon and tomahawk are examples of missiles that are both used on submarines and surface vessels

tho there's modifications for the sub launched versions

not sure if JSM or LRASM will have submarine launched versions

[shut wren]

How about on a land based silo or moveble launcher?

[shrewd pecan]

if its a submarine launched missile

it can be a ground launched missile

there's plenty of examples of ground launches of trident missiles and other ballistic missiles from subs

in terms of using ground based missiles on subs

it would need modifications to be water launchable

[shut wren]

aw yes

the Art of the russian TT of getting shit that was never produced/prototypes

WT btw

alr hopping out

[shrewd pecan]

for whoever speaks French

[shut wren]

French?

[shrewd pecan]

oops

[shut wren]

Alr gotchu

Waiting for french man to translate

[ivory ridge]

Acoustic discretion
Dont slam the door shut

[shut wren]

I Didnt Know you were French

[ivory ridge]

im not

[shut wren]

Can I add you to my collection of international friends

Pretend that I never said that

[shut wren]

[ivory ridge]

[shut wren]

[solid mango]

Found some images of Columbia's forward(?) 6" guns

[spiral cedar]

[eternal veldt]

Looks mothballed. Blast bags and the ejected casing basket on B turret are missing.

[solid mango]

Almost forgot, aft 5"

[solid mango]

Ye I think this is aft due to the space behind the turret along with the 5" image being taken in the aft

[manic latch]

You are one to talk after Japan getting F16

[frigid karma]

he's chinese

[solid mango]

Had to chop chop the video because discord. Aerial views of CL-90 Astoria taken from an OS2U

[shut wren]

You're chinese too

[frigid karma]

ok and

[shut wren]

just sayin

[manic latch]

What does that have to with nationality

[shut wren]

"Historical reasons"

[solid mango]

Oh my did I return at a bad timing

[shut wren]

kinda

[manic latch]

Nice

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/Zelazna_Dywizja/status/1633407130567946242

18 Dywizja Zmechanizowana (@Zelazna_Dywizja)

Soon! Stay tuned…

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2023, 9:59 AM

[shut wren]

[solid mango]

Oke last one

[shut wren]

[desert agate]

oh god

the decision went through

RAN looked at the options of getting US or UK nuke subs

and decided

fuck it we ball

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/australia-to-buy-us-nuclear-submarines-to-fill-capability-gap-20230309-p5cqoh.html

we're getting both

[cinder escarp]

The decision means no subs for a decade+

Both Moomberg and Reuters have leaked different parts of the plan

US forward stationed SSN in '27. Virginia bought in '32 when the backlog clears (note: not delivered, bought). "Late '30s" for the actual RAN sub design which will be an Astute with US parts.

[frigid karma]

If you put your ear into the nearest baguette you can hear the french screaming

“The beauty in my mind with the American model, of the Virginia class, was that it was a proven design, it gave us interoperability with the Americans, and there will be more American subs in the Indo-Pacific than there will be British submarines,” Dutton said.

Asked about Dutton’s remarks during an appearance at the National Press Club, UK High Commissioner Vicki Treadell said: “I told Mr Dutton myself last night that I didn’t agree with his view.”

[desert agate]

We're buying Virginia's to replace the Collins class in the meantime while we wait for the new sub

[maiden citrus]

welcome friend

[desert agate]

Buying Virginia's isn't a bad idea since they have the same battle management system as the Collins which reduces training requirements

[frigid karma]

hit you can drop the act

we know you aussies actually went and bought the NK submarines

[desert agate]

The new subs will be built domestically too

[cinder escarp]

So far out it's irrelevant

[tough quail]

tfw procurement so far out nobody involved with the decision will be in the military or government anymore when its time to start

[spring briar]

If you shut the door too loudly, a nuclear submarine will hunt you

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1633490345676685313

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1958, USS Wisconsin was decommissioned, leaving the Navy without an active battleship for the first time since 1895. The Wisconsin was recommissioned in 1988 as part of Reagan's 600 ship Navy but fired her guns for the last time in 1991 before being decommissioned again.

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▶ Play video

Twitter · Mar 8, 2023, 3:30 PM

[spring briar]

1895 to get their first BB in service

USS Indiana

Or USS Texas

Ok Tex was a few months earlier

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1633470231820525569

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Sailors from the state of Texas assigned to the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) pose for a photo in the shape of their home state on the flight deck.
#WarshipWednesday

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2023, 2:10 PM

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/DefenceAust/status/1633701887152214021?s=20

Defence Australia (@DefenceAust)

Over 600 personnel on #HMASCanberra have been using their transit for training ahead of the ship’s arrival in #Vanuatu. Engineers, aviation crews & amphibious beach teams will be ready & responsive to requests from the Gov of Vanuatu.❤️🇻🇺

@Australian_Navy #YourADF

Twitter · Mar 9, 2023, 5:30 AM

[vocal vine]

Glad to see my state represented.
Where is USS Texas though - the world wonders

[alpine onyx]

Busy flooding her outside compartments-

[frigid karma]

I'll flood your outside compartments

[spring briar]

Flooding her bulges for more range

(Let it end)

[golden spindle]

Yeah saw video of her patches they were bad

There adding new ones thicker steel

[cinder escarp]

I am in pretty regular contact with one of the guys who works on it, was the mad lad who had to spray the foam in there.

[maiden citrus]

photos of my personal ship

[tough quail]

rotund

[spring briar]

Although the US got into the BB game extremely late, they made up for it in the standards

USS Idaho my beloved

[spare remnant]

What is that shit lmao

[spring briar]

Ironclad Novgorod

She would’ve been better if only they had made her bottom convex instead of flat

[alpine onyx]

14in/355mm triple turret of the Idaho class

my beloved

[spring briar]

Sirene

Hands up

[alpine onyx]

Indeed, both clock hands are up

[eternal veldt]

Ah yes, Linienschiff

Germoney's favourite word

[alpine onyx]

Would Denmark Strait count as an engagement between two battle lines?

[eternal veldt]

Is it not?

Both ships are in line ahead formation, and Hood was executing a turn in succession until...you know.

[alpine onyx]

The consequence would be that all ships involved can be considered Linienschiffe

Hood is a Linienschiff confirmed

[eternal veldt]

BCs are used in the battle line anyway even at Jutland

But Beatty san cannot communicate

[tall star]

Booat!!

Is round

[spring briar]

New Jersey vs Turkish Ironclad Büruç-u Zafer

I wonder who would win

[tall star]

I recon dis booat would win by roundness

[maiden citrus]

the rotund is not easily trifled with

[eternal veldt]

Nice argument

Unfortunately, the circle has been perfected

Observe as the Pegram gunboat obliterates all your sleek ships

[maiden citrus]

it's beautiful

[alpine onyx]

Fight the engagement in a shallow rover

New Jersey grounds herself, hull gets torn open

Gunboat wins

[eternal veldt]

Bullshit.

~Ten-Go planner, maybe

[alpine onyx]

Oh yes, I do kinda forget that the goal for Yamato was to yeet herself onto land like a stranded whale

Thanks for reminding me

[eternal veldt]

Its honestly going to be fucking funny if that happens

You beach yourself, maybe the few DDs/Yahagi if you magically get through

Then LeMay orders the B-29s to basically just bomb the living shit out of the beachhead where you're immobilized

Great work

[alpine onyx]

Could do that in Battlestations, I just parked my three LCM- Rocket ships and allowed rockets to rain down nonstop

While being outside it's range

[eternal veldt]

I parked all my fletchers right at where Yamato spawned.

[alpine onyx]

Every two minutes there'd be another thunderstorm

[eternal veldt]

30+ torpedoes coming your way as soon as you see her

Nothing is saving her

[alpine onyx]

Also, would a beached Yamato's FC even be working properly, given the change in position of the ship and it likely sitting a tad higher?

Or would there be some offset

[eternal veldt]

My bigger concern is whether if the shock damge knocks it out already in the first place

Gunnery systems in general are finicky as hell, and you're running the ship aground, most likely not a soft landing

[alpine onyx]

True, the Germans noted that getting a master stable element accurate after severe shock was difficult

[eternal veldt]

Worse yet, throwing the turret off its bearings as it happened to Tirpitz

[alpine onyx]

And when beached, the entire system is tilted

[eternal veldt]

Of course, depending on how hard you beach yourself

[alpine onyx]

I got to note, that alledged shock damage to Tirpitz was by no means as fatal as sometimes claimed

The turrets that had issues were back in operation quickly

[eternal veldt]

Altmark was repairing her soon after, no?

Or was it Neumark

[spring briar]

Throwing off turret roof off like Sissoi Velikiy might’ve been more fortunate

Compared to throwing an entire turret

[eternal veldt]

Its okay, plant a couple bombs in the magazine and you'll definitely throw the entire turret off

[spring briar]

B…but German propellants don’t explode

If I had me a nickle every time someone said that

[eternal veldt]

Was meaning more of Yamato

[spring briar]

Without thinking about the difference between a detonation and a deflagration

[eternal veldt]

And Im not sure, I recall Tirpitz's turret fragments sent careening and crushing some people swimming to shore

[spring briar]

I am pissed Silver

I will deflagrate

[eternal veldt]

Was I incorrect, then?

[spring briar]

About what?

[eternal veldt]

You imply that blowing up the mags = turret go off is wrong

Unless Im mistaken?

[spring briar]

No I was just wondering if having a looser turret roof would’ve benefitted pitzu

[alpine onyx]

Don't have the timeline, but at the end of the day all heavy artillery was clear, all but one secondary turret were clear, the fire control systems themselves were fine. Most problematic were the rangefinders themselves, but that was to be expected

[eternal veldt]

The shock damage thing mostly came from Riche's experience at Dakar

[alpine onyx]

That was reported at 8pm that day, so should check when they exploded

[eternal veldt]

Granted, mr.Nippon doesnt stack their directors like that

[spring briar]

Beloved wedding cake

Sorry silver I just went off on a tangent and voiced my frustrations towards myths

Its incredible how much bs you can make people believe by simply not mentioning dates

[eternal veldt]

Im curious about the myth. What exactly is it?

[spring briar]

Not a myth

[alpine onyx]

The German powder stuff?

[spring briar]

Just belief that Germany had non exploding powder all the time
Or that it simply couldn’t explode

While omitting the fact this was only from 1912 onwards

And also practice in other navies at this time

[alpine onyx]

It should be less prone to detonations in WW1/2 than the solutions used by some other navies, due to them not using super volatile cordite and storing half of their charges in brass cases

[spring briar]

Definitely

[alpine onyx]

But it's no magic

[spring briar]

It was very good for the time

[alpine onyx]

The USN with their powder that refuses to properly explode when hit are a different matter

Boise having powder that showed burn marks, but simply didn't go off

Also I guess it's helped by how some wrecks violently exploded, while Bisko and Scharnhorst were rather quiet post sinking

[eternal veldt]

Boise was a case of water inrush though IIRC

[alpine onyx]

Yamato, Musashi, Kirishima, Hood, Barham

[eternal veldt]

Is it not Triple based for Germany?

I dont remember, or was it TNT

Only mostly remember that Britain and Japan were both sticking to Cordite and its variants

[alpine onyx]

Mhm, but it does aid in making other nations look a lot more tame

[eternal veldt]

Propellent not exploding is just ??? when you need it to ignite/burn/explode(?) to propell the shell out

[eternal veldt]

Counterpoint: Seydlitz, though barely limping back to Wilhelmshaven the second time

[alpine onyx]

Seydlitz is the living example of how non super-volatile powder can make a magazine fire salvagable

Because it happened to her, twice

[eternal veldt]

and not suicidal practices

God, the amount of shitty "haha British BC no armour = boom every battle" memes Ive seen

[maiden citrus]

both, both is good

german bc chad, british bc wojack

[eternal veldt]

[spiral cedar]

Propelling a shell occurs in a very confined, thick chamber at high pressures. Burning powder will make a boom if it is confined to high temperatures and pressures for long enough, but in many cases there are ways for the pressure to vent--a hole, a lightly dogged door, even the failure of the metal box if thin enough. So it only leads to a boom if it can't find a way to release the pressure fast enough for the deflagration-to-detonation transition to occur (if it happens at all, of course)

[eternal veldt]

Right. The cases of breech explosions early onwards due to poor metallurgy.

[spring briar]

Also structures being lighter

Eg Boise’s decks are easier to lift in order to release pressure than say, Roma’s

It is as Jaba says, the line between detonation and deflagration for these powders is very narrow

Bretagne was simultaneously hit by two 15” shells in between her rear turrets under the waterline, making venting the pressure all but impossible, being encased by two turrets, the belt, the pressure of the water underneath and the decks above

And then it rained corpse parts and red hot metal on Strasbourg

The second shell, which hit at roughly the same time as the first hit Bretagne’s aft Boiler room and made her immobile and also damaged the comms system

Le sad

[remote monolith]

suddenly got curious as to how human history would change if supernatural beings like gods are real and tangible in this world

like, would humanity advance as much as it did in OTL

would we try to wage war om them

[eternal veldt]

Someone uses their figure to promote promiscuity.

[remote monolith]

and get themselves smited I guess

[manic latch]

PLAN Allegedly One of the Second Batch Type 052D Destroyer Soon to be Launched in Dalian, PRC

[ivory ridge]

https://fxtwitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1633830267940118529?t=BCtCtWEhAfSfehXs18WKMQ&s=19
https://fxtwitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1633830273493385218?t=sIflAXWokBPszhw9Q9QRkQ&s=19

[remote monolith]

actually would be hilarious if like, someone tried to make nukes and he gets blasted by lightning because the gods fear its potential

aaaand then someone did it anyway

which leads to britain getting sunk

win win

[ivory ridge]

[solid mango]

[desert agate]

bro what

[manic latch]

[maiden citrus]

I have one setting like that I’ve fooled with making, led to the downfall of the era of gods because the discovery of the new world essentially started a civil war, some are still around but not many by the 1800s

[manic latch]

I think I used to have one as if dragons existed and by decent amount how we would end up weaponizing them

Development of AA would began much earlier too

Super super crossbows

Super Ballista

[maiden citrus]

Granted mine also has basically all mythological creatures too, not just gods, and how it has altered history up until about the 1920s where our Witcher type story takes place, but it seemed related enough to chime in

And yeah, I imagine

[chilly osprey]

Man, that actually reminds me.

I once had a fever-dream inspired idea for a story where the discover of the 'new world' was delayed to the 1890s or first decade of the 1900s - because that means armored cruisers and pre-dreadnoughts - except the new world was more or less a fantasy setting the further inland you go.

Of course, hard to make that work because the old world would have been staggeringly different if you delayed the 'discovery' of the new world by 400 years...

[eternal veldt]

There is a novel series regarding dragons and sailing ships - Temeraire, I think it's called?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temeraire_(series)

Parry this, Bone-a-part

[manic latch]

Two of five Type-052D destroyers at Dalian, China, ready for launch today (A). the other 3 (B) are still under construction

[chilly osprey]

Ah, yeah, I've heard of that series, albeit I've never read them

Seems like an interesting premise

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/DRatka1/status/1633411286514925569

Damian Ratka (@DRatka1)

First of 116 overhauled, refurbished and modified M1A1 tanks (former ex USMC M1A1FEP) are being ready to be sent to Poland. They should reach Poland next month. In 2023 first 58 should be delivered, in 2024 another 58 tanks will be delivered. @GD_LandSystems

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2023, 10:16 AM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1633851555840512001

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1974, Lt. Hiroo Onoda of the Imperial Japanese Army finally surrendered to his former commanding officer. Onoda had held out in the Philippines and continued to fight for 29 years after WWII ended. He returned to Japan a hero but Filipinos wanted him arrested for murder.

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Twitter · Mar 9, 2023, 3:25 PM

[ivory ridge]

I actually didnt know this existed

Always hear people talking about the other Italian Monitors but not this one

[delicate beacon]

Great, a monitor for the KMS fleet

[ivory ridge]

There were more than i thought

[manic latch]

Iran high speed boats with Falaq-1 missiles

240mm bore, wonder if it's coming from Soviet BM-24

[desert agate]

i could like

take the missiles off

and the gun

and have a sick ass fishing boat

going to the persian gulf brb

[shrewd pecan]

ah

there not even guided missiles

literally just a speed boat with 240 MM rockets on it

[desert agate]

also where tf is Iran getting Yamaha engines

[ivory ridge]

The secret ingredient is crime

[tough quail]

not dynamite fishing with 240mm rockets

[frigid karma]

I’m looking for fish not fish paste

[humble mulch]

looks at Toyotas in the middle east

[frigid karma]

Does Libya really count as me anymore

That’s Africa, no?

Unless you’re talking about Syria

[humble mulch]

It certainly looks like one

And iirc they had them in Iraq too

[tough quail]

toyota is the largest car manufacturer in the world

they're everywhere

[manic latch]

Toyota with Soviet unguided missile launchers

Wait thats not Toyota is it

[somber knoll]

Looks like a Mitsubishi Triton. Though the badge on the door can indicate something if you have a clearer image

No wait

That's a Ram

as in a Dodge Ram

[manic latch]

Damn

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_War

[somber knoll]

Ironic isn't it?
Murican truck with a soviet missile

[somber knoll]

The virgin Ford F-150 vs the Chad Toyota Hilux

[manic latch]

I do like the US m113 with Soviet twin 23mm modification

They are very common

[somber knoll]

that's a classic Eastern bloc mishmash

[tough quail]

everythings better with more 23mms

even your riot police

[somber knoll]

especially riot police
strike that, I want my police's armored brigade to have more 23mms

[shut wren]

What’s better than a 23mm?

37mm

[manic latch]

Hydrogen bomb

[somber knoll]

nah m8. Hypervelocity tungsten rod shot from orbit is my jam

btw

did the US declassify the SDI project yet?

First heard it when I played Parasite Eve 2 back in middle school

[spiral cedar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/590423720753889280/1083505808043671622/IMG_20190702_153320.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/590423720753889280/1083505808446337157/IMG_20190702_153323.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/590423720753889280/1083505808999972925/IMG_20190702_153325.jpg

Emergency wartime "M" class destroyers

[maiden citrus]

pretty cute little ones

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/03/09/fy2024-budget-navy-wont-buy-any-more-san-antonio-amphibs-in-the-next-five-years

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1634001065782722563

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1862 during the U.S. Civil War, USS Monitor and CSS Virginia engaged in the first battle between ironclads. The ships fought to a stalemate, but the Battle of Hampton Roads signaled that the age of wooden warships was coming to an end.

Twitter · Mar 10, 2023, 1:19 AM

[glass trail]

okay, but brest-litovsk was lenin's mistake... germany went in with insane demands thinking that they would be whittled down, but Lenin told the diplomats to just agree to everything the germans asked for

it wasnt "harsh" at all because germany never intended to take all of the stuff they did

and lenin believed all the land would become communist eventually when the proletariat rose up against the monarchs...sooooo

[tough quail]

isnt that literally the same thing

that's just harsh demands negotiated down to not being literally backbreaking

[spring briar]

German duds from the bombardment of Hartlepool

[spiral cedar]

German fuze moment

What kinds of shells are they

Far right one tipped over has a divot?

[spring briar]

I agree, but in this case these are shells that also hit dirt or soft structures, which wouldn’t set off AP fuzes on most shells anyways

[spring briar]

The far right one shows the weird cap shape of the german AP at this time without the tiny ballistic cap

[spiral cedar]

Yeah even British Lyddite shells weren’t working when bombarding earthworks

And that’s Lyddite

[spring briar]

German shells at this time had the weird concave cap tip topped with a tiny windscreen

Hence the weird “dent” with small hole on the right shell

[desert agate]

there was a violent explosion of one of the Ottoman batteries in one of the bombardments of the Dardanelles

[spiral cedar]

Yeah, a feat they chased repeatedly in several later bombardments that did not end up repeated

T’was a fluke

[desert agate]

[spiral cedar]

Didn’t help that ammunition for the big guns was so scarce that they had to use very few of the 12” and larger shells

And that the 15” ship present iirc only had APC

[desert agate]

QE didnt do too much bombardment of the forts after the initial landings i was more referring to the initial bombardment in 1914

[spring briar]

Magnificent

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReKfojN_l8g

[shrewd pecan]

camping friend

[maiden citrus]

now that is a friend

[subtle prawn]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/09/traute-lafrenz-the-last-of-the-white-rose-anti-nazi-resistance-dies-aged-103

[silver crest]

I love how Trotsky if left unsupervised just has the ability to overthrow governments.

he had no direct power after being exiled from the Soviet Union but he was such a concern for so many countries

[eternal veldt]

praise the sun, literally

[manic latch]

He did had a dream of world communism ye

He was still a threat which led Stalin pickaxe him even in Mexico

Wehrmacht soldiers in a column of horse-drawn carts on the march to Stalingrad 1942

[maiden citrus]

how dare they force horse to work in such a way

[delicate beacon]

Dutch helicopter, 1930

[thorn trail]

what dreadnought had the largest caliber of secondaries?

[delicate beacon]

Probably Yamato at 155mm

[eternal veldt]

Kawachi, because her uniform isnt technically the same caliber

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfzF2h-RBG0

[delicate beacon]

But that makes her a semi-dreadnought so it doesn't count.

[desert agate]

dreadnought-ish™️

[rapid junco]

I think i read that on
"A Bridge too far"
That the German Army had more hippo mobile units rather than mechanized
I didn't search that further to prove it though

Ah
Btw
I think i heard that from Jaba
That it's a common misconception to call the German army in that time of "Wehrmacht"
When Wehrmacht are the armed forces in general

[remote monolith]

that is correct

the army is Heer

Wehrmacht is basically armed forces

although practically speaking there's a level of mind-boggling disconnect between the two, with the OKH, oberkommando heer, being practically independent from the OKW, oberkommando wehrmacht, until 1944

[tough quail]

my comrades will liberate me soon

there's some funny business waiting in stalingrad

[manic latch]

Soviets horse grind path
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Heavy_Draft

[manic latch]

"The selective breeding that created the Soviet Heavy Draft resulted in a massively-built horse with free-moving gaits."

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-3_zyNTmW4

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1634212950440304640

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD 1983, the era of U.S. seaplanes ended when @USCG retired the last operational HU-16E Albatross. The last U.S. Navy seaplane was the P5M Marlin which was retired in November 1967. #DYK that the Navy developed a strategic bomber flying boat in the 1950s, the Martin SeaMaster?

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Twitter · Mar 10, 2023, 3:21 PM

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Wtf

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big mama ammo nursing smaller ammo babies

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Lol

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https://news.usni.org/2023/03/10/tom-cruise-buzzes-uss-george-h-w-bush-carrier-could-play-role-in-new-mission-impossible-movie

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You can swap out the heads?

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986402049266712646/1084005242133299220/meVPwfr.png?width=851&height=702

BR compression

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Fuzes are interchangeable depending on the model and shell.

Base plugs sometimes too.

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https://twitter.com/scotty_thomo/status/1634447078876413953?t=3RwVs7yM9mVTxSbPSFaZIg&s=19

Scott Thompson (@scotty_thomo)

Lance Corporal Paul H Denehey, Signaller with 1 SQN #SASR🇦🇺 had, perhaps, the most grizzly & with that sad ends an #Australian🇦🇺 soldier has ever met
Deployed to #Malaya & conducting a 4 man reconnaissance patrol on the Sabah border, he was fatally gored by a wild Elephant
1/

Twitter · Mar 11, 2023, 6:52 AM

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Is there a reason why the US didn't put CL guns on their bbs like Japan and Britain (ww2)?

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Except they did - The Atlanta class is technically CL.

Serious answer - For the Royal Navy, other than the Nelsons (whose 152mm battery has close to 0 protection), the King George Vs were also going for a dual purpose weapon much like the US.

The US has been actively seeking for a DP 6" weapon, and that did not arrive until the end of the war.

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The twin 5" was too heavy for a destroyer at that time.

Also, the UK and IJN didn't exactly keep to CL guns either.

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As for Japan, the only "modern" BB they really built was Yamato - and it should be kept in mind that Japan had quite a few 155mm spare turrets lying around after they did the switcheroo with Mogami.

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All of the Queen Elizabeth ships lost their cruiser calibre weapons

[eternal veldt]

Yesn't, Warspite kept her casemates, and both Barham and Malaya remain without reconstruction.

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Only QE and Valiant

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Eh

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Warspite kept hers as there was an argument over whether the loss of 152mm guns were validated.

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My source was Navypedia.

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since destroyers and smaller surface combatants were very much still a threat.

[chilly osprey]

I would also note that secondary battery gun choice also came down to;

A) How much of a threat you felt you were under from DDs directly attacking your battleships

B) Do you have DP guns with sufficient performance in both the AA and ASu role to justify having them be the only secondary Armament on your ship

The Americans felt ok enough with the 5"/38, even if they were still looking for a 6" DP weapon. The British also felt the 5.25" was a sufficient compromise.

On the other hand, the Japanese struggled to make a truly effective DP gun, and so mixed up 15.5m guns with existing heavy AA guns - 12.7cm/40 for the most part - and the Italians did the same thing with 135 to 152mm guns and their 90mm. The Germans likewise followed the same pattern with their '15cm' (149.1mm) and 10.5cm guns, albeit the 10.5cm was probably the best performing of the Axis heavy AA guns in the ASu role (at least, of the guns that saw service).

It's also worth noting that all of these navies did not have nearly as many cruisers and destroyers to screen their capital ships, compared to the RN and USN, and thus having secondary guns with the stopping power to deal with destroyers - especially large types - was a higher priority

The French notable tried to have their cake and eat it on this front, first using a 130mm DP gun on the Dunkerque-class, but moving to a 152mm DP gun for the Richelieu-class. They felt the 130mm gun was too light for the anti-surface role. This was definitely too ambitious, and between the shortcomings of the 152mm DP mount in the AA role and the failure of the 37mm ACAD mount to produce a new medium AA gun, they actually pulled out two turrets from Richelieu and added six 100/45 twin AA mounts in their place to serve in the heavy AA role.

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Thank you all for a short history class.

That switcheroo part reminds me of the coastal defense ships that got twin 203mm from Kaga but cannot go full broadside bc it will capsize.

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Soviets also desired a 130mm DP for future destroyers, but for BBs they would choose German/Italian style of combination as 152mm anti surface 90-100-105mm for more anti air focus.

As others said Holy Grail is 152mm DP, but it's too advanced for ww2 era

British even considered 203mm DP

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~~ As expected from the British ~~

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Even if you did have a holy grail 152mm mount, you'd have to consider the weight and dimensions of such a mount and analyse the ramifications per ship.

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I would prefer to have 12 152mm DP over 20 127mm I think

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On a Yamato, Soyuz and Montana absolutely.
On a King George I'd give it some pause for thought.

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Poor George

16 133mm, so maybe 6 152mm best?

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On a Scharnhorst or Dunkerque I doubt one could fit those.

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Or maybe 8

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Again, it depends on the mount

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Yep

Size and weight

[eternal veldt]

The quadruple 130 is further driven down by its jamming too, unfortunately

and the 152mm...also jams. It's a bit unfortunate that most of the 6" "DP" variants tend to end up failing.

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Ru cope

[eternal veldt]

Yea, sure man

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Though, not sure this is the right server?

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mmmm historical revision copium in the morning

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Well, the bottom part is relevant

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It doesnt reference anything current

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especially on the nukes

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It's history

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The way I look at it - 6" DP guns had the unfortunate.... fortune, to effectively only become viable at the dawn of the missile era, which kind of made them pointless.

[eternal veldt]

Coming up next, Nanking was a staged act

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"We never did anything like dresden" mf you literally asked the allies to do it and then thanked them later

What are they implying with this

[eternal veldt]

Oh, right, time to torture you both since you're here

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what's wrong with it exactly

[eternal veldt]

Look carefully at the secbat

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Are those Wooster turrets and 40mms Mk 2?

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[screams]

[eternal veldt]

yeap.

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Fear not.

Edgar will protect you

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[shut wren]

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I always thought that the two nukes was what caused Japan to surrender because there could of been a third or more if they didn't or so

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Bar an invasion of the mainland, the US was basically ready to turn Japan into an isolated Island. So in that sense the Soviet Army did not pose as much a threat. I reckon it did make them consider Japan surrendering sooner to be on better terms.

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Japan's plans for the war in 1945 hinged upon being able to inflict severe enough casualties that a negotiated peace could be reached

the rapid successive use of the atomic bombs resulted in a belief that the US was now capable of simply bombarding Japan into non-existence without ever giving Japan the opportunity to attempt their strategy

the Soviet declaration and invasion, on the hand, was expected

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Reminds me of this.

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Exterior missiles bruh

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That's just YF-23

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https://twitter.com/ArysPan/status/1634573113827442690?t=YeToHTOjIFMgr5ZloCZbCQ&s=19

Arys🏺🪶 (@ArysPan)

Over the course of centuries, people from across the Greek world traveled to the Oracle of Dodona in Epirus and asked questions inscribed on lead tables.

More than 4,000 have been discovered and give a fascinating insight into what the people of #AncientGreece were thinking.

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Twitter · Mar 11, 2023, 3:12 PM

everyone else looks for advices om who to date or marry, this guy only came here to help with debt collecting

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80_7E4wjTo

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@delicate beacon

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Nokkengranaat met tijdbuis?

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Obus à tenons avec amorçage

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https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1634616481190146048

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

With ships on radar picket duty bearing the brunt of kamikaze attacks in the Pacific during WWII, a bit of dark humor emerged. One destroyer assigned to picket duty painted a big arrow on its deck with the caption "Carriers That Way!" #SeaStorySaturday

Twitter · Mar 11, 2023, 6:05 PM

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bote

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“Aestheticizes war”

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the book was literally banned by the nazis cus it was so anti-war

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Good production quality = pro war evidently

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Well
Hope this at least is nice
But recently on my readings about the FEB on Italy
I found out that the FEB captured and operated a Schwwimmwagen
The only picture taken of it is this one, by Major Elza, a FEB nurse

It was found on a road near Fornace di Baga in September of 1944
It was abandoned due to a dry tank
The infantry refuelled it and sent it to the workshops
And then it was found it was on a good state, without any mechanical, structural or eletrical problems
It was operated as a personnel transport until the end of the war

Unfortunately it was left in Italy
And discarded
A similar fate happened to a Kubelwagen used by the 1st Liaison and Observation Squadron (Brazilian Air Force).

This one was a war trophy taken by US troops during the North Africa campaingn
And was lying around on an airbase at San Giorgo (Pistoia)
It was found by flight aspirant Joel Clapp
He asked the commander of the base if he could use that as a personnel transport for the unit
Initially it was denied
He insisted until the commander finally gave the vehicle

Unlike the Schwwimmwagen
This one was in rather
Poor state
Its brakes constantly malfunctioned
Which forced the driver to throw the car at buildings for it to stop

Which rendered a lot of dents on its body
Which rendered the nickname of "Lumpy" (Caroço)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O21a1sCgQFQ&ab_channel=TheOperationsRoom

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https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1634699934497660929

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1916, the Navy's "super-dreadnought" USS Nevada was commissioned. The Nevada would survive Pearl Harbor and go on to provide support at Normandy, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. After the war, the Nevada was painted orange and used as a target ship for the Bikini atomic tests.

Twitter · Mar 11, 2023, 11:36 PM

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Delete this before Maka sees it.

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Was it 80mm of deck armour

[shut wren]

Like the funny shadows in hiroshima

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https://archive.org/stream/DTIC_AD0323191/DTIC_AD0323191_djvu.txt

This is one of the most hilariously bad digitizations I've seen.

This publloatlon la one of six catalogs
produced in order to collect data on all types
of Billtary antennas In readily accessible form.
The idea for such a collection originated with
the Interservice Antenna Group (better known as
ISAO). ISAQ la an Informal group from Air Force,
Army, and Navy laboratories who meet periodi¬
cally to discuss mutual antenna jiroblems. With
the endorsement of this group, funds were allo¬
cated by the Air Force and the Army, and the work
was Initiated \mder Air Force administration as
Contract AF 19(6ol^)-4l01.

ICUUll’MKNT KllNC riON

Most antennas can be used with equipments
which perform m.any different functions. Often,
liovever, an antenna is liest known In terms of
the equipment with which It Is associated.

KoiabiBg: A term for equipments used for lo¬

cating targets, determining an appropriate
course for the bomb run, and determining the
bomb-release point.

Carrirr CoBtrol Approacli (CCA): See "Approach

Control".

Couatcrmeasarea, Dcceptioa: A term for devices used
to mislead the ene,my; e.g., a device that pro¬
duces a spurious response in an enemy radar sys¬
tem.

CoDBtermeaaarea. Dircclioa Kiadlag: A term for devices
that determine the directions of arrival of
enemy signals.

CoBBiermeasarea, Homing: See "Countermeaslires, Di¬
rection Finding".

Countermeasures. Jamming: A term for devices used
to Jam enemy electronic equipment.

CouDtermeasnres, Moaitoriag: A term for devices whose
function is passive detection and/or intelligence
monltorlcig of enemy signals.

Countermeasures, Seareb: A term for devices used tO
detect enemy signals, but not make hearing
determination.

nireciion I’inding: A generic term used only when
a more specific term ("Countermeasures, Di¬
rection Finding" or "Navigation, Direction
Finding") cannot be used.

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it's a new cipher

Digitally encrypted, evidently

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Okay, wow. I'm actually surprised that ship was hit by a Kamikaze plane and lived to tell about it

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hit the belt armor

[strong plank]

It’s the armored belt

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be more surprised if it actually did anything

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Plane probably crumpled like paper

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kamikazes are only effectively a really huge HE shell, it won't do shit against a heavily armored belt like that

i think it's 4.5 inches?

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or well, would’ve

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Still, the fact that you can actually see the outline of the plane that smashed into that ship shows just how hard they flew into it

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what if

Kamikaze but Big AP shell

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[shut wren]

We design a Kamikaze aircraft that instead goes faster and can do more damage n shit

actually pen the hull

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armor the nose

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^what he said

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we put something like a jet or a rocket at the back

and make it thinner to increase speed

and remove the pilot for safety

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Then we give it a nifty name

Something like “V2”

[shut wren]

I believe you're talking about a Guided anti ship missile

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thatsthejoke.jpg

[deep apex]

Wait until they find out A Farewell to Arms by Ernest Hemingway was banned by Mussolini himself and kept in place until 1948.

An author was even arrested for translating it into Italian.

[shut wren]

Safety is overrated

Human Guidence is best

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Because the depiction of the Italian retreat from Caporetto was so detailed and vivid.

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honestly, as a dictator you could respin that as "haha corrupt past politicians have dogshit fighting forces compared to our glorious military!!" to sidestep the anti war themes

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Ohka?

[shut wren]

Le cherry blossom

yes

but

[deep apex]

Like one of Frederic's (the MC) friends, Aymo, is literally shot by Italian troops for retreating.

Another decides to let himself be taken prisoner.

Frederic himself literally is pulled out of a retreating column by a carabiniere after an officer that was also pulled from the column pointed at him, and only barely escapes the firing squad by running into a river and swimming away because the officers in charge of the firing squad thought he was"abandoning his unit" even though he's a medical lieutenant and was told to just take what he could and leave the rest behind.

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pointier tip

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Also I thought the hit shown in the pic hit one of the 1" belt cruisers

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It hit Sussex

[deep apex]

He has to escape to Switzerland because the Italian MPs were sent to arrest him...

#history message

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In that spot? It was actually just 25mm hull plating.

[deep apex]

I was always embarrassed by the words sacred, glorious, and sacrifice...The sacrifices were like the stockyards at Chicago if nothing was done with the meat except to bury it.
There were many words you could not stand to hear...Abstract words such as glory, honor, courage, or hallow were obscene...

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huh

then how do kamikaze strikes on hangar sides do so much damage?

[chilly osprey]

Hangar probably had even thinner plating, and also likely had less structural members behind it compared to the belt/hull plating

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fair

i still find it somewhat improbable that 25mm of armor is enough to stop an entire kamikaze

[chilly osprey]

Sectional density is the magic phrase here

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Doesn't the main damage of Kamikaze comes from bomb it carry

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When the impact force is spread over the entire front of the aircraft, it's significantly less than it might seem

[chilly osprey]

That, or the fuel load of the aircraft

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Interesting to note - Hemingway did this effectively entirely based on what was told about Caporetto, as he was not present for the campaign. He only arrived in Italy in June of 1918. The major battle he experienced before being wounded and sent back to a hospital in Milan (he actually only spent about a month on the front) was the Second Battle of the Piave, which was actually a major Italian victory (and the last major Austrian offensive of the war).

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The wings are just aluminum so you've mostly just got an engine block you're throwing at comparatively low velocity (not a dive but a low level approach) at an inch of protective steel

[shut wren]

This aint war thunder

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My guy

One day you will be make me blow up

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thats fascist af frfr

[deep apex]

Oh yeah. I knew all that

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yk, all quiet was written 10 years after the war ended

[deep apex]

I know

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thats nice

[deep apex]

Did you know A Farewell to Arms was published the day of the stock market crash?

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i keep forgetting most of the #history guys know what theyre talking about

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i didnt actually, thats pretty funny though