it does kinda look like a scar doesn’t it
#history
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manic latch
shut wren
<:Prayge:886365734530326539>
It looks like moldy mold
manic latch
You are moldy mold
shrewd pecan
maiden citrus
practice selling the su-57 to me
strong plank
I’m just imagining the procurement conversation
shrewd pecan
shut wren
You are moldy mold
strong plank
“We want it to be able to be set up as either a traditional AR or as a bullpup”
“Sure”
“Yeah that’s what I figu-wait you can?”
tough quail
it has better missiles than an f-35 does
maiden citrus
cool noise that's useable
tough quail
it has a really chunky landing gear from that one video
maiden citrus
get a link of the noise it has
shrewd pecan
thinking about it
strong plank
It is smooth
shut wren
(its Blue)
shrewd pecan
does the R-37 fit in the 57s weapons bay?
manic latch
It is smooth
Ye front looks like YF-23
maiden citrus
and before you say 'an aircraft can't be cool just because of its noise'
you're wrong
tough quail
and before you say 'an aircraft can't be cool just because of its noise'
who the fuck would say that
blasphemy
turboprops ar-
well i guess they're cool because you cant hear anything
after they annihilate your eardrums
manic latch
and before you say 'an aircraft can't be cool just because of its noise'
A-10 legacy comes from its brrrt noise
maiden citrus
sexy is too subjective overall to hook someone who knows nothing about
shrewd pecan
strong plank
the yee ass magwell kills me
shrewd pecan
I don't think it can internally carry the R-37
manic latch
Doesn't Su-57 also has outboard bay
manic latch
I don't think it can internally carry the R-37
There it is
spiral cedar
Mogami's 6.1" gun has a very high velocity, albeit a low rate of fire (barely higher than 8" guns of WWII), giving it very good penetration of homogeneous side armor found on most cruisers. The lack of AP cap however makes it poor against more modern cruisers with facehardened armor like US cruisers starting from Brooklyn.
Agano's guns are WWI guns and just garbage by WWII. They just suck and I hate them.
maiden citrus
something must be bad for jaba to say it just sucks and he hates it
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the IL-28 looks so spacey
shrewd pecan
manic latch
F-4: wtf
shrewd pecan
I mean there was a proposed anti ship Phoenix variant
to where I am pretty sure that picture I posted of the AIM-54 has a diagram of it
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Mig-31 with smol fuel tanks
tough quail
but yeah thats kind of just the general state of things i've gathered
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Mig-31 with smol fuel tanks
Mig-31 with big fuel tank
tough quail
the us fields better generally better planes and russia fields generally better missiles to put on them
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Mig-31 with big fuel tank
Looks like Nuke lol
shrewd pecan
eh
tough quail
they have some funny guns
shut wren
we steal from both sides
manic latch
Looks like Nuke lol
Should be 2000kg
shut wren
steal planes from US and missiles from russia
shrewd pecan
comparatively the only capability Russia really has over the US is the R-37
shut wren
simple
shrewd pecan
in terms of China their more modern missiles are actually in mass service (R-37s in service I know)
tough quail
i very much disagree but i dont wanna start a big debate rn
shrewd pecan
like the R-77M isn't in service
manic latch
the us fields better generally better planes and russia fields generally better ...
Iran: 
shrewd pecan
R-74 vs AIM-9X is a discussion on its own
shut wren
Isn't the PL-15 just a russian one
shrewd pecan
No
shut wren
or its a dom production
maiden citrus
that somehow looks both cool and stupid
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oh yea
manic latch
that somehow looks both cool and stupid
strong plank
Chinese small arms are uh
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small
strong plank
interesting from what little I’ve read
tough quail
Iran: <a:gigachad:1009475238238617651>
what if we just put every single wing gimmick on simultaneously
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We need to give our Men body armor
shrewd pecan
strong plank
Is that a fucking avengers quinjet with canards
manic latch
Is that a fucking avengers quinjet with canards
Good ol Birds of Prey
tough quail
they're waiting for the genetically engineered pilot dwarfs
shut wren
Good ol Birds of Prey
this is some Cursed images shit
shut wren
the God of boeing
shrewd pecan
manic latch
Rule 1) If something is fast enough it can fly
chilly osprey
Iran doesn't need to bother with fighter jets
They know that some day Pakistan will get 3,000 black fighter jets of Allah
And absorb Iran
And the conquer the world
manic latch
Iran doesn't need to bother with fighter jets
Shahed-136 take down planes ye
Not sure how it happens but
tough quail
what about white fighter jets huh
chilly osprey
Shhhh
tough quail
whiter jets
chilly osprey
That's the Vatican's secret plan
manic latch
what about white fighter jets huh
maiden citrus
un spacy jets best
shut wren
They look like F-14s or Mig-29s bruh
tough quail
that whole bit of eva was wild
manic latch
<:227:1002364263890948136>
:(
manic latch
They look like F-14s or Mig-29s bruh
What the fuck
tough quail
didnt it have a bunch of kuznetsovs screening iowas
shrewd pecan
it had the two cancelled Iowa's
maiden citrus
oh I thought this was a macross screenshot
shrewd pecan
which was odd
maiden citrus
yawn
shrewd pecan
like they straight up called them Kentucky and Illionis
tough quail
the world blew up and the us got bored and finished the iowas
shrewd pecan
what a 2nd impact does to a war economy
shut wren
What the fuck
what
manic latch
Lad your a PLAN fan so i expected you would realise what Flanker is easily
Especially when having J-15 and 16s
scarlet ledge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDoZGoaG9_w&t=423s&ab_channel=VHÚMOVIES czechoslovak government really just let the music team go wild
shrewd pecan
we really went from Ukraine to evangelion to Godzilla vs kong
scarlet ledge
picked the best 80's eastern bloc EDM hits for an informative video about highway strips
scarlet ledge
>Godzilla vs Kong
REAL
tough quail
we really went from Ukraine to evangelion to Godzilla vs kong
whats the difference
shrewd pecan
the type of suffering
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Monke 
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J-16 probably has comparable RCS to the 57
So how you fix that
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by
manic latch
Ram coating?
shut wren
putting better RCS
shrewd pecan
probably by doing what there doing which is going with a new aircraft
shrewd pecan
Monke <:Sadge:757500586777116752>
just you wait for the Soviet Union's last gift for Russia
manic latch
probably by doing what there doing which is going with a new aircraft
Cancel the Su-57M?
manic latch
just you wait for the Soviet Union's last gift for Russia
Revenge is taken with bored ape
frigid karma
You mean East Germany?
maiden citrus
the what
frigid karma
That is new
shut wren
the what
shrewd pecan
shut wren
what the fuck did i read
shut wren
Im adding this to my collection of weird shit
manic latch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Ivanov
No wonder he got arrested
maiden citrus
shrewd pecan
then from everyone's favorite history focused TV channel turned to conspiracy theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonsterQuest#Season_one_(2007–2008) (this TV show is complete bullshit if it wasn't obvious)
shrewd pecan
shut wren
why us
shrewd pecan
oh also have the Soviet version of MKULTRA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_laboratory_of_the_Soviet_secret_services
shrewd pecan
the monkeys though, I was unprepared
my new favorite quote
shut wren
"The monkeys though,I was Unprepared"-Maka
maiden citrus
glad to be of service
frigid karma
Planet of the apes X ww2
maiden citrus
I actually love pota
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Monkeys in planes
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How well would ppsh armed chimpanzees fight in stalingrad
tough quail
as long as you give them enough ammo they're probably good
shut wren
[Monkey dying sounds]
shrewd pecan
shut wren
Nuclear bomber
manic latch
How well would ppsh armed chimpanzees fight in stalingrad
Can overpowered
Climbing walls and entering windows
Can make amazing flanks
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Monkeys fighting The battle of midway
maiden citrus
call of duty, monkey warfare
manic latch
Also can't chimpanzees like
Rip you apart
They don't need a knife when out of ammo
maiden citrus
they're decently strong
shut wren
they can rip yo face
deep apex
maiden citrus
very poor at throwing, and greatly inferior at handling objects however
manic latch
shut wren
Monkeys fighting the battle of Kursk
manic latch
They can't counter tanks
shrewd pecan
these are ape human hybrids
simply have them climb to the roofs and throw down anti tank grenades
manic latch
What kind of brain they would have tho
maiden citrus
warthunder player brain
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warthunder player brain
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-43
Based
Tho I think
The most disturbing Soviet experiment was Reviving dead dogs with machines
Maybe was useful on research of blood transfusion tho
But still. Imagine only being alive as a head
manic latch
Ye that's used
shut wren
MASS PRODUCTION!
shrewd pecan
man now that's even more fucked
shut wren
WE PRODUCE 130K APES A DAY VIA LEGAL AND*** unethical*** MEANS!
manic latch
That's why I prefer robots
maiden citrus
ape convicts mass produced through super science
shut wren
scarlet ledge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanzee
ilya (fate stay night reference)
manic latch
ilya (fate stay night reference)
Let me guess
shrewd pecan
ah its that fate series
manic latch
Ilya is a loli
shrewd pecan
I regret google searching that
shrewd pecan
Fate Ilya
I forgot fate stay night was the one that was just glorified lolicon bait
scarlet ledge
shut wren
scarlet ledge
I forgot fate stay night was the one that was just glorified lolicon bait
no that was prisma illya
magical girl 
shrewd pecan
reminds me of the Have Blue
we need more options for RAM paint
F-117 prototypes had so many interesting color options
frigid karma
warthunder player brain
please, monkeys have herd mentality
warthunder players are incapable of that
shut wren
dont shame monkeys
frigid karma
"oh dear my teammate is having the shit shot out of him, if only i could tow him"
manic latch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777365752562843658/1078149765860167721/E6...
Why not use machine I wonder
shut wren
"this Guy has a different flag than what i like,Lets fucking shoot him"
maiden citrus
please, monkeys have herd mentality
everyone climb to space
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ARE HUMAN APE HYBRIDS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE!
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waw was where it was at
we've had shit for pacific campaign games afterwards; it's all europe
because fun level design is too hard
shrewd pecan
europe lets them reuse the same building assets
so no wonder why they focus on it so much
shrewd pecan
tho COD2 did have north Africa
shut wren
water
frigid karma
you don't need to model different types of buildings just tree
nah naval games require too much attention span from the average fps fan
shut wren
just steal em from some website
strong plank
The only cod campaign I've played through was black ops
and it was with the funny gfl mod
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The only cod campaign I've played through was black ops
you haven't lived until you played black cats in waw
strong plank
I am slowly playing through the major ones
manic latch
Plays mw2
having fun
having real fun
Hacker literally gives everyone walking AC-130
Reports everyone
Account banned
tough quail
future warfare
shrewd pecan
check the recon tab idiot!
shrewd pecan
still a shame no game has really featured either the GAU-21 or GAU-19
spiral cedar
Mogami's 6.1" gun has a very high velocity, albeit a low rate of fire (barely hi...
For comparison, compared to Omaha's 6" guns, Agano
a) has a lower rate of fire
b) fires a slightly lighter shell
c) has a significantly lower muzzle velocity
d) has 2-gun turrets that weighs 39% more than Omaha's twins
Hate hate hate
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For comparison, compared to Omaha's 6" guns, Agano
a) has a lower rate of fire
...
on the other hand:
a) her sister has atdan feet
spiral cedar
As a design Agano is a reasonable ship for Japan's CL doctrine
But they have the most garbage guns
maiden citrus
at that point they should've just had aa guns and no main battery
tough quail
japanese AA is actually pretty solid if you go by the actual global standard
its just shit compared to the US/later war britain
frigid karma
i mean
tough quail
they're comfortably better than germoney for the duration of the war and france is
p a i n
until they become the us: 2
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what about the italians?
maiden citrus
I'd argue japanese large aa is better than britain's for the entire war
tough quail
italian AA is also pretty meiocre as far as i know
frigid karma
I'm not too knowledgeable on their aa
tough quail
I'd argue japanese large aa is better than britain's for the entire war
you would be correct
frigid karma
if we're going by wows, decent enough with abysmal range
spiral cedar
Italians don't need AA because Italy is an aircraft carrier remember 
frigid karma
no, Italy is a boot
which is why every sardegnan ship needs a feet skin by atdan asap
spiral cedar
Surely they need boot skins then
frigid karma
Surely they need boot skins then
shut wren
was the 88flak used for both AAA and secondary gun?
frigid karma
was the 88flak used for both AAA and secondary gun?
During the Yugoslav wars in the 1990s, various Flak guns were used, mainly by the naval artillery of the Yugoslav People's Army (JNA). The Yugoslav Army (VJ) also used Flak carriages mounted with double 262 mm rocket launch tubes from the M-87 Orkan MLRS, instead of the 88 mm gun. It was capable of deploying cluster bombs, as well as anti-personnel and anti-tank mines, at up to 50 km. Only a few were built in mid-1993, the entire project was generally regarded as unsuccessful
shut wren
so they yeeted the 88flak part of the 88 and strapped a 262mm
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@spiral cedar how feasible is the launching of UAVs to act as a 'flare' for anti-shipping missiles
frigid karma
like, say you detect a missile off of port 30 seconds to impact, you launch a uav off a ww2 style catapult that's basically a massive IR and Radar bait
shut wren
spiral cedar
But probably would for like 70s ones
frigid karma
because ir readings diminish as a function of range squared right?
spiral cedar
You know the thing about how whenever a ship historically has employed soft kill countermeasures against a missile, it hasn't been hit by the missile?
That's stuff like chaff
Old missiles are dumb as bricks
frigid karma
yeah but chaff is still right next to the ship
this UAV would be like a few hundred meters out
shut wren
Cant we just shoot a shit ton of rounds at it
spiral cedar
Modern missiles can identify and categorize targets by shape
shut wren
and hope it hits
frigid karma
Modern missiles can identify and categorize targets by shape
ok, then a uav with a thin metal layer in front meant to resemble a ship silhouette
spiral cedar
Doubtful
shut wren
we launch a net at the missile
frigid karma
the missile would fly right through it
spiral cedar
gun based CIWS suffers from short engagement time, especially from lower calibers, meaning it can't stop more than a couple missiles and even then the missile may still hit the ship in several pieces
shut wren
I meant
spiral cedar
How about launch a torpedo at the missile
shut wren
we launch a metal sheet at it
spiral cedar
I guarantee no missile today has anti-torpedo countermeasures
frigid karma
I guarantee no missile today has anti-torpedo countermeasures
the missiles have fishnet stockings
torpedonet stockings?
shut wren
damn you into missiles
spiral cedar
the missiles have fishnet stockings
The missile wears fishnet stockings at all times
frigid karma
i will not have you launching our fine ROTC graduates at missiles
spiral cedar
we launch a big pile of shit at it
Won't work, too few ships have the catapults needed
shut wren
frigid karma
Won't work, too few ships have the catapults needed
we could grab an old british battleship and have them fire jutland-era shells
that counts as a 'big pile of shit', yes?
spiral cedar
Yes
Yes it does
When HMS Agincourt fought at Jutland she was carrying shells from the 1890s
frigid karma
who would win?
least terrible pre-jutland british shell
most armored german horizontal protection
spiral cedar
Horizontal armor
The shells weren't delay fuzed so they wouldn't penetrate multiple deck layers unless a dud
Also the WWI Germans tended to have heavier horizontal armor than their British peers
They just didn't add much more interwar...
spiral cedar
AP is usually 1.5-2.5 percent of weight
SAP usually 4-6 percent
HE usually 6-9%
Some shells are a bit more or less
spiral cedar
US 8” HC - 8.2%
UK 8” HE - 9%
JPN 8” HE - 6.5%
GER 8” HE - 7.3%
IT 8” HE - 7.4%
FR 8” HE - 6.7%
US 6” HC - 12.6% (!)
UK 6” HE - 7%
JPN 6.1” HE - 5.5%
JPN 6” HE - 5.9”
GER 5.9” HE - 8.6%
IT 6” HE - 5.3%
Those are bomb percentages
Medium capacity for a bomb is like 20-30 percent
frigid karma
50% more bomb per bomb
spiral cedar
High capacity like 50%
spiral cedar
what if 50% boom of weight shell
Detonates in barrel probably
Not enough steel
Keep in mind that this is what a US 6" HC shell looks like
You see how to put more explosive in there without making the shell not work? Hard to do
desert agate
turboprops ar-
Turboprops sound like jets half the time
shut wren
Stupid Ideas:we strap a F-16 jet engine on the bottom of a P-51
desert agate
In my experience the Hawks are louder
Pc-21s are loud don't get me wrong
But you always notice the Hawk 127s
desert agate
like, say you detect a missile off of port 30 seconds to impact, you launch a ua...
Basically already a thing
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shut wren
desert agate
Nulka creates an exact signals copy of a ship to distract enemy missiles
shut wren
Good night homies see ya later
desert agate
Well
Your idea was a bit less developed
Just a traditional UAV launched from a catapult is probably not going to be ideal compared to Nulka
and it won't work against missiles that use a visual feed to determine targets
Fortunately those missiles are exceedingly rare and only in use with NATO aligned countries
LRASM doesn't currently have a foreign equivalent
So against most anti shipping missiles it will work
In 10 years time?
Less so
shut wren
Alright let’s steal it
desert agate
tough quail
he looks chuffed to be invited
dapper parcel
huh, so much for jaba trying to convince me that's stupid
Look at how Nulka hover after launched. It's basically closest you can get to what r/NCD would design
frigid karma
NCD would make it fly up and try to rods from god the incoming missile
zealous vine
What would be a likely direction the Japanese CLs would take after the Kai-Agano?
alpine onyx
Germany: Jeez, the topweight on Scheer (and Spee) is problematic, we should solve that with a full superstructure rebuild!
Also Germany: Have a spotting top with 60mm walls!
eternal veldt
What's with the Scheer rebuild that Cat has been going on about, by the way?
delicate beacon
Didn't Cat or Sirene find a blueprint with 128mm twin refit
eternal veldt
Thats what I want to know
alpine onyx
I didn't find nothing on that, it's all Cat's doing
My rebuilds are my own projects where I go all double down on the class
eternal veldt
alpine onyx
Maybe he'll share his sources if you ask, but didn't see a need to ask so far
I just keep pushing for the 5x2 105mm battery
amber abyss
shut wren
It took me a few seconds to realize that this wasnt a CV
manic latch
it's a PLAN ship PLAN
shut wren
It looks so similar to the 003 but smol
eternal veldt
@tough quail @spiral cedar I have additional information to make you hate CB-1 Alaska more
You'd think a CB, being an embiggened cruiser, should have a standard clipper bow like a normal person without any problems, right?
Well, turns out Alaska's bow throws up enough shit from the waves that a "stem extension" is needed
The result is this abomination
There's no saving her now
maiden citrus
go further, icebreaker
shrewd pecan
Pantsir and YAK-141
ivory ridge
also tornado adv
yugoslavian AA
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684721152739770371/1078369455937179769/image.png
shrewd pecan
F-16 with more air to ground options and capability to carry more sparrows
shrewd pecan
The probably fake leak
frigid karma
from reddit, take with grain of salt
shut wren
New Teaser dropped
shrewd pecan
What we were talking about yes
tough quail
i really cant wait until WT gets to the point gaijin has to pretend to know how stealth works
maiden citrus
the destroyer does not exist until 5.6km
tough quail
lmfao
maiden citrus
the wows method, simple, effective(??), maddening
tough quail
that said for my money i dont think it'll make a very big difference with the current map sizes if they end up shoving raptors in
everyone comes from the same direction and you can just go the irst route instead
shut wren
Sim battle maps:
maiden citrus
everyone comes from the same direction and you can just go the irst route instea...
'I wonder where the enemy cv is'
meanwhile, in a1:
tough quail
maiden citrus
planes might be a little different since they actually move around, and quickly, but eh
shut wren
you need a shit ton of boom to sink a CV
tough quail
oh for WT jets its literally just a north-south jousting rush
actually thinking about it it'll probably be exactly the same as the current f-14 meta
maiden citrus
cyborg scouts aboard bombers, nothing can detect enemy planes but they poured the entire crew's skill points into this dude and he can see 1 pixel 30 miles away and identify how many missiles are attached to the pixel
shut wren
People boutta blow up the mail box with balancing compains
shut wren
what
tough quail
everyone not running with the us flying low (or alternatively in space for really silly shenanigans) while raptors instead of F-14s spam missiles at the first radar contact they get like they're off their ritalin
frigid karma
the destroyer does not exist until 5.6km
meanwhile, WT:
shut wren
They put the A-4E in 8.7
frigid karma
"you are in brooklyn"
shut wren
No countermeasures
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"enjoy fighting fuso"
tough quail
i stopped trying to do naval the first time i got long lanced in spawn seconds after respawning
maiden citrus
talk about some then instead of mini modding in a channel dead 5 mins ago
shut wren
[insert photo of He-51 in 10.7]
river charm
showa
maiden citrus
the stop sign lol
spiral cedar
Tonk
desert agate
ill show you historically accurate when i historically switch my control scheme to SB to get a slightly better turning circle
river charm
a what now
shut wren
Kitkat
tough quail
desert agate
oml
river charm
grilling
desert agate
you legally cannot be called rooikat until you have had biltong
it is gods gift
and by god i mean the afrikaaners
it's kinda like jerkey but it's seasoned not marinated
and it's fucking godly
desert agate
nothing better than stokkies and beers with my south african mates
river charm
south africa would be cool if they were more stable tbf
from what I hear from my friends its
alright
desert agate
ah that's why they all come over here lmfao
river charm
idk neat country neat history not too relevant today
river charm
real
shut wren
desert agate
trying to get my friends to teach me afrikaans but only one of them speaks it fluently, another one kinda speaks it and another speaks more zulu and he's the whitest man i've ever met
shut wren
river charm
afrikaans is like learning two languages
Wanted to learn it ngl
basically dutch on the side
desert agate
it's dutch with the faff removed
river charm
yeah
desert agate
think of it like written Japanese vs written Chinese
both are very similar but written Chinese has a lot more going on
Afrikaans is just the verbal equivalent
shut wren
Japanese has the funny lines
river charm
basically dutch with less stuff idk
desert agate
fewer voels simpler phonetics with arabic, indian, south east asian and native south african influences
Afrikaans as a language recognised as a language distinct to Dutch was actually first written in Arabic writing
bit of an odd crossover really
frigid karma
both are very similar but written Chinese has a lot more going on
wouldn't japanese have more?
they have kanji, katakana and hiragana
amber abyss
Priest 2-1,this is Trevor you are clear to fire
frigid karma
While Chinese does have more individual characters, Japan also has a lot of chinese characters in kanji and then more complex grammar rules based on politeness
desert agate
Chinese has tones my guy
tones
and i was generally thinking more Hiragana and Katakana
desert agate
like Kanji is very similar to written Chinese
frigid karma
in chinese every individual concept has its own letter
desert agate
but even then afaik it's still a lot simpler
desert agate
like it's just a dumbed down version
tough quail
i wonder how hard it is to actually learn afrikaans
dutch is weird in that most of my issues learning it so far comes down to it being too similar to english
so my brain has a harder time holding down the smaller grammatical differences
because otherwise it just flows like weird english
desert agate
Afrikaans has a similar sentence structure to Dutch
it's mainly the words that are different
less syllables usually
which is what you'd expect from a language created mainly by uneducated colonial farmers
and then spread to every ethnic group in the colony which was a lot because pre-suez it was the only way to get between the highly lucrative indian ocean trade network and Europe/the Americas/Africa's west coast
it's just like
simplified
with some weird words and influences
they're mutually understandable languages albeit barely
shrewd pecan
another cold war program shot in the foot a by a mixture of Army mismanagement alongside budget cuts and budget refocusing due to the GWOT
"In 1982, the U.S. Army started the Light Helicopter Experimental (LHX) program to replace the UH-1, AH-1, OH-6, and OH-58 helicopters. In August 1986, the Defense Science Board review revealed that the Army suffered from stovepiping in a program development sense, and could not think outside the box. The Army solidified requirements too early without sufficient risk management. A single-crew version was an early requirement, but depended upon successful development of a risky electronic package.[3]"
"On 23 February 2004, the U.S. Army announced that they had decided to terminate all work on the Comanche program. At the time, it was stated that the Army had determined that a number of upgrades would be necessary in order for the RAH-66 to be capable of surviving on the battlefield in the face of current anti-aircraft threats; however, the Army had instead decided to re-direct the bulk of its funding for rotary development toward the renovation of its existing helicopter fleet of attack, utility, and reconnaissance aircraft."
Tho it is interesting to note the Army with the FARA program seems to be going with a new helicopter similar to the RAH-66 to replace the OH-58 and partially the Apache
seeing what they go with for the V-280 gunship is additionally gonna be interesting to see
subtle prawn
strong plank
seeing what they go with for the V-280 gunship is additionally gonna be interest...
The gunship portion of FVL is still in the competition phase isn’t it?
shrewd pecan
I don't think it is
tho that's also assuming the AH-64 ever ends up getting replaced outside of the recon role
somber knoll
How were the engines on the Revenges?
subtle prawn
Originally designed as coal-fired ships, following the pattern of the Iron Dukes rather than repeating the propulsive system of Queen Elizabeth, they were naturally slower ships. SHP was fixed at 31,000 for 21 knots and they were laid down as such.
On Lord Fisher’s return to the Admiralty, however, one of his early moves was to instigate the fitting of oil-fired boilers to new ships on the stocks. This increased their SHP to 40,000 for 23 knots and it was achieved with the minimum of fuss or interruption to the continuity of construction. Having fewer boilers than Queen Elizabeth or Iron Duke, the ships could be fitted with only a single uptake, the first British dreadnoughts to have this feature. As completed the class all put up a good turn of speed and although the usual full set of trials were not carried out because of wartime conditions, it was reported that they all made in excess of 21–22 knots – not quite up to expectations but certainly as fast as most British capital ships and adequate for Grand Fleet duties. The fastest ship of the class was Revenge with Royal Oak a close second. Their machinery and boilers were never updated and consequently in 1939 they were sadly lacking in speed; if the hulls were foul, they were lucky to reach 19 knots on full power.
frigid karma
@spiral cedar @chilly flower awac chan
tough quail
swell
frigid karma
tough quail
the camera cut to WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT is always funny to me
also yeah thats some good shootbangs
strong plank
Did anyone else see Devotion or nah
tough quail
also fucking cobraing over a felon in a fucking tomcat is hilariously based wankery
frigid karma
Devotion is cool I read the book but I’ve only seen a few scenes
somber knoll
the camera cut to WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT is always funny to me
The weird thing is, how did the Sidewinder's fuze not explode when it got close to the Felon? I think Mover pointed it out in his watch review.
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They commit the classic error of both sides having way too much ammo
The rockets leveling a whole bridge somehow
And the mig just kind of going full npc
tough quail
sidewinder moment
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The weird thing is, how did the Sidewinder's fuze not explode when it got close ...
That, and tomcat pulling up super slow
tough quail
oh the ghetto cobra would rip that F-14 into pieces
its top gun
its not supposed to be hyper realistic
tough quail
what matters is that it's really, really, really fucking cool
frigid karma
Everything past the f14 scene is a meme
somber knoll
The fact that Maverick didn't put the Tomcat in a "dogfight mode" by pulling out the wings in a relatively low speed contact is beyond me
I mean
I get the cool sweep wing mode
manic latch
Did anyone else see Devotion or nah
Mig scene was weird man
Guy was like my War thunder teammate
somber knoll
but even in the OG the F14 pilots use low speed mode most of the time in their engagements
tough quail
i mean there was also the bit where they just had an entire felon nose on to them
and didnt get immediately fisted by r-77s
its just for style points
somber knoll
yeah
tough quail
good way to wank it if you know anything about the planes involved though
given an F-14 is more radar than it is jet
and lol invisible su-57 straight ahead
manic latch
i mean there was also the bit where they just had an entire felon nose on to the...
They should have had like
F14 dodging action etc
Till it enters US carrier task force area or F35 calvary
Then those destroy 57s
somber knoll
They should have had like
nu cuz Tomcat is thicc boi
strong plank
I mean y’all know why they didn’t use F35s right
manic latch
Jammer?
somber knoll
I mean y’all know why they didn’t use F35s right
well
manic latch
Smh
strong plank
No 2-seat version
manic latch
They said GPS jammer or smh
somber knoll
you can skin it with F-18s
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Oh real reason
somber knoll
but that is beside the point
tough quail
its way too slow for the bolt in bolt out mission
somber knoll
yeah
tough quail
and a million SAMs right next to it means the stealth means jack fucking shit
tough quail
especially given half the mission would be with the f-35 pointing backwards
with an engine hotter than the sun
tough quail
raptor would do better because fast and baffled engines
somber knoll
or is it?
tough quail
so one stealth jet isn't seaborne, one is totally inadequate for the job
somber knoll
my 4 AM brain
shrewd pecan
What is the 35 being used for?
tough quail
the tgm canyon run
shrewd pecan
It’s gonna likely out do the hornet
strong plank
Could a vark pull it off tho
shrewd pecan
it’s more maneuverable than the super hornet
And has similar performance when it comes to thrust
tough quail
you need straight line speed to bolt out
shrewd pecan
Remember the super hornet is obese and under powered for its size and weight
ivory ridge
Navy doesn’t use Raptors
somber knoll
No Super Tomcat either
Question is
Will the Navy ever need beyond Mach 2 planes with all the gadgetry that is the current electronic and other warfare forms?
Man I miss those days when evasive maneuvers rely on pure speed
tough quail
a missile inherits the speed of it's launching platform so top speed is always useful
shrewd pecan
We’ll have to see what the naval sixth gens are capable of
somber knoll
yep
btw
I just read this EurAsian Times clowny article that China will outgrow American warships.*in quantity
China will grow larger
shrewd pecan
In terms of the dog fight with the Su-57 and the F-14 in top gun
somber knoll
>EurAsian times
Ye Undef.
shrewd pecan
idk most aircraft would just be dead in that
somber knoll
ivory ridge
fucking hilarious website
i cant post most of their deranged takes because
current events
but still
somber knoll
hilarious in the most important points
tough quail
the felon fight is just multi-bloc wanking
shrewd pecan
like generally everything from the hornet to the F-22 would be fucked in that
Only aircraft I think would have a chance would be the 35 due to its decoy system
tough quail
not when you have p r o t a g o n i s t p o w e r
shrewd pecan
That’s the type of dog fight that sees a A-10 get a kill on a 22
now we throw in the pill
tough quail
my brain is a 50/50 split on felon wank and tomcat wank and both sides were very pleased
somber knoll
funny thing though, Horse
Hangman could just have Ace Combatted the Felons ez pz
but that would cut the Tomcat wank
manic latch
two minute Hind boss fight
Mother fucker was staring
spiral cedar
tough quail
three minutes of everyone involved screaming
shrewd pecan
In terms of this scene https://youtu.be/nJwKAhgWHOc
tough quail
WHERE DID THAT HIND COME FROM
shrewd pecan
35 could pull it, issue is WSO since there using paveways for some reason
tough quail
OH FUCK HE'S GETTING SHOT BY A HIND
strong plank
Seriously the fuck was that downed tree made of
shrewd pecan
One day we will have it
tough quail
anyway good movie jets are cool
somber knoll
One day we will have it
looks... a bit cursed like a Lou-Han fish swelling forehead.
but that's just my opinion
shrewd pecan
I’m just waiting for Israeli deep strikes on Irans nuclear program within the next two years tbh
tough quail
who would win physics bending magic iranian tomcats
or iranian su-57s bought with mefo bills
somber knoll
place your bets gents
thorn trail
One day we will have it
Is this edited or is this an actual plane that is flying
shrewd pecan
Edited
shrewd pecan
idk
ivory ridge
Israel wants something like that
thorn trail
Looks like the two seater F-16 cockpit
ivory ridge
for some reason
tough quail
two seaters are cool
shrewd pecan
I can see the use of a WSO on a 35
thorn trail
Oh wait nvm the 2 seater F-16 cockpit is longer
shrewd pecan
Help with dealing with pilot overload alongside hopefully not repeating that one incident we’re the plane managed to fry that one Japanese pilots brain
tough quail
excuse me
shrewd pecan
You know that Japanese 35 that crashed into the sea?
tough quail
ye
shrewd pecan
Lemme get the exact details tho if I recall correctly the plane managed to essentially fry his brain
tough quail
manic latch
Can't wait for Pilots to go Cyberpyscho on NGAD systems
shrewd pecan
The F-35 reportedly did not send a distress signal nor did the pilot attempt any recovery maneuvers as it descended at a rapid rate.[428][434] The accident report attributed the cause to the pilot's spatial disorientation.[435]
somber knoll
Kinda wish the IJN JMSDF push on with F-2 but I guess we will have to wait for F-3
shrewd pecan
god I love the 35
Has shit like that happen yet still ends up with a better safety record than any other plane in the fleet
tough quail
all the weird fifth/sixth gen projects popping up is funny to me
alright boys, the f-35 is brilliant, fantastic, great team work
we will literally never do this again
shrewd pecan
I’m sorta hoping we end up with that proposed light fighter fifth gen
Since fifth gen F-5 sounds cool
manic latch
I’m sorta hoping we end up with that proposed light fighter fifth gen
People don't like Su-75 but I think it's right way
Make a 2/3 light 1/3 heavy air fleet
tough quail
i like big single engines
so its got a pass in my book
as long as it can supersonic on the deck with a proper weapons payload it's prolly the way to go
shrewd pecan
subtle prawn
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https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2023/02/23/boeing-will-close-super-hornet-prod...
India will likely choose Rafale
Sad for Boeing
Rafale is better anyway. That thing will get upgrades till FCAS
shrewd pecan
>learns the super hornets are slower than i thought they were
There the size and weight of a F-15 with the engine thrust of a F-16
tough quail
oh yeah super hornies have no chance there
shrewd pecan
It can theoretically get better if the navy buys the newer versions of the 18s engines
While I think the super hornets a good fighter she’s just obese
shrewd pecan
F-35s generally just the more maneuverable faster fighter man
manic latch
thicc with thicc engines
Mig-31 style
shrewd pecan
The only good F-14E proposal is one that unfucks her maintenance requirements
manic latch
31s are more like giant knives
F-104
shrewd pecan
Maintenance whore of the fleet
tough quail
that last guy looks shellshocked
ivory ridge
he has seen things
manic latch
Underpaid
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Reminds that random 3 German engineers who build E-100 hull themselves till war ended
Then British scrapped it
somber knoll
iirc that P&W engine alone has at least 20 hours of maint by itself.
shrewd pecan
60s technology in a fourth gen
somber knoll
Tat what do you think of the Super Tomcat proposal? will it be also a maint nightmare?
tough quail
speaking of us jank
shrewd pecan
Depends
tough quail
i have never felt more vindicated in my life
than when i realized ford is responsible for the shillelagh
somber knoll
strong plank
Oh thank god
tough quail
so i can count ruining the sheridan as another massive ford L
strong plank
Horse is still horse
shrewd pecan
If it was a complete redesign of the aircraft utilizing actual modern materials like composites that decrease maintenance requirements
shrewd pecan
She would of been better and more worth keeping
tough quail
dont get me wrong i think gun launchers are cool and i unironically shill sheridans
but the shillelagh is fucking awful
and now i understand why
strong plank
Horse was participating in tomcat wank
tough quail
F o r d
shrewd pecan
In terms of post Cold War military spending no she was worth cutting and cancelling further programs for
strong plank
I thought someone stole his phone
tough quail
tomcats are my second favorite jet
maiden citrus
it was me
tough quail
absolutely fantastic
shrewd pecan
“The F-14 [became] the most expensive aircraft to operate in the Navy inventory, requiring 40 to 60 maintenance manhours per flight hour. For comparison, the F-18 Hornet requires only 20 hours of maintenance and the latest F-18E/F Super Hornet requires just 10 to 15 hours.”
somber knoll
In terms of post Cold War military spending no she was worth cutting and cancell...
I second that
shrewd pecan
When your fighter the size of a airliner with the maintenance requirements of a trophy wife needs to be kept on a carrier
strong plank
The more I read about it the more the phantom grows on me
tough quail
phantoms are good
its just the air force used them like absolute
fucking morons
common USN W on that one
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“The F-14 [became] the most expensive aircraft to operate in the Navy inventory,...
F-111B: So?
shrewd pecan
top ratings for me would probably be
B-1 lancer
F-15E
F-111
F-35
F-4 phantom
F-16
Eurofighter
F-5
J-7
Rafale
somber knoll
F-111B: So? <a:gigachad:1009475238238617651>
That's classic Grumman
but no, F-111B was already tentacling the maint budget like no one's business
manic latch
top ratings for me would probably be
B-1 lancer
F-15E
F-111
F-35
F-4 phantom
F-1...
Why Rafale below F4
tough quail
im going on just straight up fighters because mixing bombers in would make it way harder
so i'd probably say uhh
shrewd pecan
Why are you questioning that and not why I put the J-7 above it?
manic latch
Why are you questioning that and not why I put the J-7 above it?
Sexy
maiden citrus
I thought someone stole his phone
strong plank
Raptor has to be my favorite
manic latch
If you like B-1 where White Swan
strong plank
The geometry just works so well
shrewd pecan
Legacy fighters that have been modernized to such a stupid degree
strong plank
Exhibit B of why pentagon interns should not under any circumstances be allowed near graphic design software
tough quail
my favorite le bomb boyos of various weight classes is some combo of uhh
b-1s, backfires, bears, intruders, aardvarks and fullbacks
oh and vulcans
the forbidden dorito
shrewd pecan
strong plank
I’m partial to the Valkyrie
strong plank
Since I had a family member involved in the project
At least I think
I would have to ask
But I’m decently sure my mother’s father had some sort of tangential relation
tough quail
but yeah my seething butthurt does not extend to us aviation
outside of a few things
shrewd pecan
Gods greatest EW aircraft
strong plank
Air Force engineer and all that
tough quail
mainly the air force being chronically mid compared to the cool and based navy
strong plank
The vark is funnier when you process that it was designed during the 1950s
or as I call that decade
The era of funny™️
shrewd pecan
That sounds like Navy cope
Smh Naval Aviation peaking in the 70s then dropping off in the 90s
strong plank
Every 1950s military program going through a fever dream phase before spitting out something useful
tough quail
That sounds like Navy cope
vietnam was an embarrassing ass beating for the air force in comparison
somber knoll
speaking of 50s programs and Ford's rival.
Chrysler's missile division is hella based.
shrewd pecan
I still wonder to this day what the hell this thing was even intended for https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_A-12_Avenger_II
tough quail
like to the point if the NVA had top shelf soviet shit they would've rolled the chair force
manic latch
That sounds like Navy cope
Give me this
Plane I would be pilot of:
Plane I would sleep with:
Plane I would maintain:
shrewd pecan
vietnam was an embarrassing ass beating for the air force in comparison
It gave the Air Force the ass kicking it needed
shrewd pecan
Generally the navy had the right idea
And did well because of it
While the airforce was held back by a mixture of politics, bad doctrine, and old thinking
strong plank
It gave the Air Force the ass kicking it needed
The army too
shrewd pecan
Give me this
Plane I would be pilot of:
Plane I would sleep with:
Plane I wo...
F-35
B-1 lancer
F-16
strong plank
Like honestly the us Army wouldn’t be the fighting force it is today if Vietnam hadn’t happened
shrewd pecan
F-15EX is a close second for plane I would be a pilot for
manic latch
F-35
B-1 lancer
F-16
tough quail
f-16s are cute
maiden citrus
f16s are what a local national guard base flies so I see them a ton, love em
tough quail
also 13:1 for the navy and 4:1 for the air force by 1973
manic latch
Gods greatest CAS plane
Won't Su-24/F-111 may beat that
tough quail
strong plank
F15 has grown on me too
shrewd pecan
They fly like bricks
strong plank
F16 I got slightly complicated feelings on
shrewd pecan
so trying to get your guided ordnance off while dodging incoming missiles can be a pain
tough quail
I can't get into eagles purely because they're a little too close to tomcats but not quite as cool
so my brain just kind of shrugs at it
strong plank
my brain looks at the bottom and sees toob
shrewd pecan
Compared to the F-16 where there highly maneuverable
tough quail
strike eagles are different enough to be cool though
somber knoll
F-14 and F-15 are my childhood planes, the former because I had a toy model of, and the latter because my air force flew it
strong plank
and my brain automatically associates it with like the early Cold War jets
somber knoll
so they grew on me well
shrewd pecan
now if the F-111 in WT ends up with a weapons pod
Yeah that shits going to be Gucci I’m gulf war in that motherfucker
somber knoll
but 16s are based too
manic latch
I would sleep with either Su-57 or B-2. Fuck it's a very hard choice
tough quail
i need to actually grind the soviet and us air trees
and the french
but i dont wanna
somber knoll
remember the infamous declassified radio recording of an 16 pilot going through SAMs with just evasive maneuvers?
shrewd pecan
I’ll be gods greatest tank destroyer with the might of my paveways
manic latch
I’ll be gods greatest tank destroyer with the might of my paveways
What is potentially most OP SPAAG
That may get added
shrewd pecan
Pantsir
manic latch
Man they really give all attention to Air force
somber knoll
shrewd pecan
SHORAD requirements were never a big thing in the US up until recently when everyone realized every airfield near China would be likely wiped out in a first strike with current SAM capabilities
Even then most attention has been given to the MML and patriot modernization for that
In terms of SPAA
manic latch
Put NASAMS on Toyota
shrewd pecan
idk US could get the Stryker SHORAD
manic latch
shrewd pecan
But honestly all you really need is the ADATs
Only real step up would be the humvee avenger with AIM-9Xs and a 30 MM
manic latch
Only real step up would be the humvee avenger with AIM-9Xs and a 30 MM
Plays like that Japanese trash? 
shrewd pecan
nvm doesn’t have a 30 MM
shut wren
Dorito
shrewd pecan
manic latch
Could be fun
shrewd pecan
doesn’t always work for top tier war thunder SHORAD
Tho honestly considering the German stinger carrier is pretty good
I could see the JTLV or Stryker SHORAD being decent
manic latch
China or Soviet top-tier will be best Spaags in future then I guess
