history

[zealous vine]

How did the Suzuya sub-class differ from Mogami?

[alpine onyx]

Boilers for the most part

Iirc they dropped from twelve boilers to ten

[manic latch]

Suzuya is longer, has more torpedos, 2k hp more horsepower

[alpine onyx]

From ten to eight boilers, my bad

[manic latch]

Shit

[rapid junco]

I talked about it sooner

But like i said

It's a better fate than being scrapped

[eternal veldt]

That's Oriskany, not Sao Paolo

Sao Paolo has only one bridle catcher, fell for that one today

[shrewd pecan]

my bad

looked close enough when I saw oryx retweet that

[rapid junco]

Paulo

São Paulo

[manic latch]

I have been thinking and

What superiority Abrams A2 has over LeopardA6?

Faster acceleration and more silent engine for %100 parts

But armor or penetration is a classified info

Leo 2 is faster irrc. Both has 42 ammo

[cinder escarp]

Superiority? None really.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXnI_tsFs2U

[frigid karma]

huh

they did it

[frigid karma]

does this countas the f-22's first A2A?

[cinder escarp]

yes

[shut wren]

it took em this long lmao

Didnt they find another ballon

[spiral cedar]

Over Latin America

China's done this before

It's just the longest it's been over the US

[shut wren]

fr?

[spiral cedar]

Yes

[shut wren]

You got anything from the other ones

[spiral cedar]

Nope

[shut wren]

bruh

So there isnt any other ones?

[spiral cedar]

Right now? None that the US knows of/has announced, besides the Latin America one

[shut wren]

ah ok

[manic latch]

F15E was also there

Could be her as well

[spiral cedar]

Video, and now official comms state F-22

[chilly osprey]

F-22 with an AIM-9X

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1621904056892399619

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

When USS Independence encountered a full-rigged ship in 1962, the carrier signaled to ask the vessel to identify itself. “Training ship Amerigo Vespucci, Italian Navy,” was the response.“ Independence replied "You are the most beautiful ship in the world.” #SeaStorySaturday

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Twitter · Feb 4, 2023, 4:10 PM

[thorn trail]

Question: What's the historical basis for the Champy gun

the 406mm MLE

[manic latch]

Soviet Union buying 406mm blueprints from other nations for Soyuz development

The 406 mm/52 gun designed by the Schneider company was initially conceived for the Soviet Union as a part of the "Franco-Soviet Treaty of Mutual Assistance" signed in 1935, which entailed military and technical cooperation. While France never produced 406 mm guns, it was interested in developing them due to an emerging global trend towards increasing the caliber of battleships' main batteries. In the spring of 1938, the Schneider company handed the gun designs over to the Soviet Union, and that was the end of the story for the project.

[thorn trail]

How does it compare to the 406mm of the Soyuz's

Irl wise

[manic latch]

Well wouldn't be possible for Champ gun since they weren't build. So I will compare their wows stats

Champ gun gas better velocity as 850m/s while Soyuz is 830m/s

But Soyuz has heavier AP shell as 1,108kg while Champ is 900kg

Same deal with HE

[thorn trail]

Are these stats based on theoretical stats from the irl designs

[manic latch]

No clue. Should ask Rich about it. Not sure if anyone has blueprints public like WG does

But shell weight and velocity of wows is usually correct to irl stats or planned ones

[delicate beacon]

But shell weight and velocity of wows is usually correct to irl stats or planned ones

[shut wren]

WG mfs dont leak stuff

we WT mfs do

[delicate beacon]

Not a SINGLE Dutch ship has a set of correct shell weight and velocity.

[frigid karma]

San Diego with the same guns

fires shells like 30% faster than Atlanta

usually correct, my ass

[shut wren]

ISU-152 and Kv-2 has same gun and ISU fire way faster

[delicate beacon]

That can be due to loading arrangements, crew space and ammunition storage locations.

Though it's still used as balancing factor.

[frigid karma]

i'm talking about

the shell velocity

[delicate beacon]

Where's Richy

I need my 406mm stats

[frigid karma]

just

no

WoWs armor schemes usually line up fairly well with reality

but even then

PLENTY of exceptions apply

[shut wren]

My kV crew is way high level

[maiden citrus]

my crew skill: french

[frigid karma]

are they fries

[maiden citrus]

can reload a bb shell in 10 seconds one handed

[shut wren]

Wish I had one of those mfs in my T-34-85

[manic latch]

.....

Qwerty

You realise Velocity is not reload right?

[frigid karma]

shells like 30% faster

can you

read

[manic latch]

Both has 792m/s..

[frigid karma]

Atlanta's arcs are way smaller

resulting in approximately 30% less travel time than Atlanta

you play wows right

[manic latch]

I don't give a hell about shell drag or arcs

They still share the same velocity

[shut wren]

you shoulda worded it better

like Shells travel faster instead

[manic latch]

Shell travel time yes

Not velocity

[frigid karma]

except their air drag coefficient is also different somehow

so actually, yes their shell velocities do diverge midflight

it's a fucking arcade game, never cite ballistics for it

[manic latch]

Duh

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Rich do smh

[frigid karma]

muh sap

[frigid karma]

AoA be like

[shut wren]

What kind of alien auto loader yall stole from Area 51

[maiden citrus]

when austin gets real reload for a few seconds

[frigid karma]

maka

this is .9sec reload

that's >720 rpm

it's firing faster than a browning

[maiden citrus]

and what's closer to the 40rpm

0.9 second reload

or

7.5 second reload

[shut wren]

.9 Would be more effective

[frigid karma]

i'm saying it's faster than irl reload

[maiden citrus]

slightly

as opposed to firing at

...

less than 1/4th irl reload

[frigid karma]

because it would be broken if it had irl reload?

they gave it the mbrb gimmick so it can temporarily be powerful, and have to play passively for the rest of the time

[maiden citrus]

sounds like their problem for putting it in the game

[frigid karma]

doesn't really matter anyway bc malta just kills you

at least the aa is good unlike le sherman

[shut wren]

Malta,the CV?

[frigid karma]

malta in wows basically deletes any CL it sees on sight

because CLs were being too oppressive /s

[shut wren]

Is it CV malta

[frigid karma]

yes

[maiden citrus]

sherman aa is pretty good though since dds have a higher multiplier, even if wows aa values are just 'whatever came to me in a dream last night'

[shut wren]

CV when in Wt

[frigid karma]

just play air

[shut wren]

I do play air

[frigid karma]

then how would you play CV

it's just air with you wasting time launching shit

[shut wren]

Other than the fact that in ARB mfs press their funny buttons

and fucking yeet me from 5kms away

[frigid karma]

play rank 1

it's free + dogfighting is fun

[shut wren]

fr

mfs cant aim for shit

but theres no fun without Shvak cannons

Rate my China tree

[frigid karma]

eh, dd aa as a whole is still mediocre imo since it means you're being spotted

even a halland is scared of my midway

and now, louie louie

[shut wren]

Highest i ever got was 50k

[frigid karma]

nice, very impressive

let's see paul allen's plane shot down count

(it's 80% fighters)

love how they finally nerf midway uu once i decided to get it

[shut wren]

The homie who brough a Mig-29?

[frigid karma]

how do you play chi-ha without dying to stuarts

stock chiha

i hate stuart

[shut wren]

I die to everything

[shut wren]

Using the Soviet side feels natural to me so I just Soviet main china

[maiden citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/war-thunder-spinning-spin-stuart-gif-25520275

[frigid karma]

maka, you play wt?

[maiden citrus]

rarely

mostly naval and a little air

[shut wren]

Mig money

[frigid karma]

do you recommend naval?

seems boring asf to me

[shut wren]

It makes alot of money

If you play right

[maiden citrus]

I find it the most fun part

[shut wren]

Gotta push to 3k

[shut wren]

How do you feel about the BP boat?

[frigid karma]

the br compression is just stupid tho

[maiden citrus]

I don't play enough to know current things like that, I just have some US destroyers and gunboats

[frigid karma]

ah

higher tiers your cruisers have to fight

Hood

gl

[shut wren]

They Could improve the part where Early jets have to fight late cold war all aspect 30g jets

[frigid karma]

i mean

[shut wren]

Soviets mains

Should i start the israel tree

[maiden citrus]

I didn't really have much interest in higher as the realism and balance is poor yeah

[frigid karma]

well, to paraphrase the captain of the Emden

"in land, an inferior force can hold back a superior force through tactics and land"

"on sea, you're fucked"

[shut wren]

Made some poor choices

wasted 200k

[shut wren]

great quotes

[frigid karma]

like, in air you can at least leverage game knowledge to beat better aircraft

same thing in ground

what can you do in naval

[shut wren]

just die

Unless the snail has decide otherwise

[frigid karma]

in wows HE, fires and conceal help you even the gap

all 3 are irrelevant in WT, you are just gunnery target if you're smaller

[shut wren]

Torps

If you can get close enough

[frigid karma]

gl with that

[shut wren]

Snail bias

[shrewd pecan]

if your going to grind Israel

I'd just wait for a sale

and pick up the merkava II premium

[shut wren]

I'm going for the J-7d or Mig-23ML

[shrewd pecan]

with that SL count?

good luck

[shut wren]

Both are prem packs

Ill just grind my miggie

[shrewd pecan]

ah the top tier air premiums

[shut wren]

J-8 is basically Mig-21 with extra engine

[shrewd pecan]

in regards to China

[shut wren]

ballon

[shrewd pecan]

I'd wouldn't bother with the J-7D

I would just save money and torture yourself with the A-5C

where you can just bully A-10s

until you reach the F-16

[shut wren]

yea fuck A-10s

[shrewd pecan]

then suffer with that until you get sparrows

[shut wren]

??

[shrewd pecan]

the f-16 is like

the only top tier chinese plane worth grinding

[shut wren]

Im doing it for the PRC side

F-16 until J-10

[shrewd pecan]

I'd just go for Russia at that point

PLA side isn't worth it

[shut wren]

I am russian main

Its not worth it but its cool

[shrewd pecan]

at that point

I'd just wait for PLA side to get something actually worthwhile

[shut wren]

thats the air tree

Ground tree is better

the 1200mm pen tank

[shrewd pecan]

the

mid ass tanks

[shut wren]

99as

[shrewd pecan]

and the ATGM vehicle that would be good if you didn't get better in other trees

[shut wren]

and the Bias

Q-5 it is

[frigid karma]

Tato

Should i grind sweden, usa or china

[shut wren]

Sweden is the fastest to jet

USA has all the freedom

China has best of both worlds

[frigid karma]

ground specifically

[shut wren]

oh

Same applies to china

but uhh

let me check the tree brb

[shrewd pecan]

Sweden

best stock grind

and you get everything

[frigid karma]

[shut wren]

No russian Bias

[shrewd pecan]

want a T-80?

want a Leopard 2?

[shut wren]

oh yea they get those

[shrewd pecan]

want a Leclerc or a Abrams in the near future

it will have it all

generally put

China I would avoid like the plague since its mid the tree

USA, Russia, Sweden and Germany

all good starter options

[shut wren]

Thanks snail

[shrewd pecan]

top starter tree is probably Sweden tho

[shut wren]

You get some russia and germany

[shrewd pecan]

you get the best leopard 2

with a better AA system

actual light tanks

and a good IFV

[shut wren]

Also Mi-28

russian thingy

[shrewd pecan]

you also do not have to deal with stock HEAT

[shut wren]

You also get suffering

Like the rest of us

But the 1.3 spaag looks cool

[ivory ridge]

only on the CV90120

for some reason

[shrewd pecan]

because its a export vehicle

[ivory ridge]

[shrewd pecan]

yeah it doesn't have the Swede doctrine excuse

[ivory ridge]

oh right the finnish 2a6 has heat too

[shrewd pecan]

man what is up with the F-16s MFD

a single 7.62 to the rear of the plane will knock that thing out for no reason

[shut wren]

Bias

[shut wren]

also help me fix my air tree please

[shrewd pecan]

why are you grinding

the bombers first

[maiden citrus]

bombers are pog

[shut wren]

Soviet bombers got big boom

[frigid karma]

because i liek hornet

also

they win games

[shut wren]

Bomb bases

[frigid karma]

im pretty sure people in rank 1 don't know that you can manually shoot backwards in a bomber

[shut wren]

yeet those bitches

[shrewd pecan]

in terms of Soviet jets

[frigid karma]

so they just tail you and fly perfectly still

[shrewd pecan]

not my hottest area

[frigid karma]

unironically have higher a2a kills in my sb2u than my fighters

[shut wren]

I'm decently good at soviet jets

[frigid karma]

[shrewd pecan]

tho I'd bum rush the MIG-21

[frigid karma]

well, the ones without 12.7\

[shut wren]

Mig-21s good

[frigid karma]

praise the m2

[shrewd pecan]

then go for the aircraft you need for the MIG-29

[shut wren]

we dont get countermeasuers untill 21

[shrewd pecan]

this entire part of air rb for me

is a blur

until I got the F-4C

[shut wren]

I have more kills on my Il-2 than la-5s because it refuses to die

[shrewd pecan]

then I didn't start actually having fun with top tier air RB until I got about here with the F-4J

[frigid karma]

is rb like more popular than ab for air

[shrewd pecan]

yes

only insane people play arcade jets

[shut wren]

I’m insane

Godmode farming

[shrewd pecan]

god damn

why the hell is my Sheridan win rate so high

[frigid karma]

what aboot props

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

that plays a lot better than

[shut wren]

Shvak mfs

[shrewd pecan]

war thunder ace combat but with worse controls

[tough quail]

prop arcade is way better than realistic

vice versa, jet arcade is trash

[frigid karma]

duly noted

[shrewd pecan]

prop RB

[shut wren]

Unless godmode farming

[shrewd pecan]

descends into spending 20 minutes

trying to find the one bomber who space climbed

[frigid karma]

i played ab and rb ground and it feels more or less the same imo

true story, i was about to kill this LVT controlling a plane until he kamikaze'd it into me

[shrewd pecan]

I don't really like arcade ground

since you can't really hide

and it just makes the issue with light vehicles getting to the best spots immediately even worse

[shut wren]

You gotta spade you tanks some how

[frigid karma]

i heard someone claim, while listing a list of reasons why f-35Bs cant land on arleigh burkes in practice, that the thrust would damage the deck

\

[shrewd pecan]

ships have to be modified to be able to use the F-35B for that reason

🤨 tho if your considering flying F-35Bs off of Burkes at that point you might as well be turning cargo ships into makeshift aircraft carriers

[ivory ridge]

Iran: Hold my beer

[shut wren]

Imma try that with my spaded 2u let’s see

[brave elbow]

The crew of the U.S.S Texas in 1918

[rapid junco]

Remembers me of this picture here:

[tribal mortar]

We really need to Texas in Azur lane

[maiden citrus]

[spiral cedar]

Cali, the ditzy battleship

[desert agate]

burke flight decks arent heat resistant

you could theoretically put a heat resistant cover on the deck like a lot of US LHDs do

but you wouldnt be able to fit the aircraft in a Burkes hangar

so you'd be having a great time with sea spray effectively destroying the aircraft the moment the ship enters slightly worse and a flat calm sea states

[frigid karma]

i mean

landing it in anything other than flat calm seas is questionable

[desert agate]

im not talking about landing it im talking about keeping it there after its landed

if you're modifying a burke with a heat resistant deck you're clearly intending to operate the F-35

[tough quail]

theres a big difference between the usn not giving a shit about sea planes getting washed off in heavy weather during ww2

and several fuckmillion dollar stealth kets in 2023

[frigid karma]

i was just considering how feasible it is for an F-35B needing to emergency land on a burke

[desert agate]

doable in an emergency yes

the deck will need repairs but it can be done

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alraigo_incident

after all

a harrier landed on a cargo ship

[frigid karma]

imagine if they found out balloon boy was on that balloon

👀

[sage bay]

Lol

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1621996791804616705

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD 1985, USS Buchanan (DDG-14) was denied entry to New Zealand due to the government's anti-nuclear stance and the U.S. Navy's policy to neither confirm nor deny the presence of nukes on its ships. The incident resulted in the U.S. suspending military ties with New Zealand.

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Twitter · Feb 4, 2023, 10:19 PM

[maiden citrus]

[jagged monolith]

Operation Satanic II when?

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/ronkainen7k15/status/1621812707807854592

Ronkainen (@ronkainen7k15)

FMC CCVL 105mm light tank

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Twitter · Feb 4, 2023, 10:07 AM

[manic latch]

Ngl was ugly project

Mpf better

[manic latch]

@tough quail The Soviet ЭШ 6/45 Walking Excavator

[cerulean ice]

Not quite, out of the 250 years of history since 1772 Poland hates russia for at least 173 years of occupation, plus notably for communists - the war in 1920.
That said however, the significantly more relevant part of the period indeed is 1939-1989, it is not though "something russia did 30 years ago" but "something that ended 30 years ago and lasted for prior 50 years"

Now, you seem to be saying quite weird or drastic things. I don't blame you if you don't quite know the characteristics of Polish national identity or the modern-times direction course in relation to other countries or modern Polish perspective towards some of them, as horse doesn't seem to know either
So to address some of the things above:

[ivory ridge]

rare fox alo appearance

[maiden citrus]

he heard polish

[cerulean ice]

• Starting from the simplest - I take it that Sweden part was mostly a joke, as it should be. Indeed the Deluge is right up there with WW1 and WW2 as the most devastating events for Polish lands, people, and culture. However, XVII century is significantly more distant from the other examples and is the only historical period when there even were any negative interactions between Poland and Sweden at all, before or since. In fact XVII century is probably the only period when Sweden was a major European player in the first place. So due to lack of bad blood Sweden is very much absent from any modern anti-national rhetoric and is just a country and economic partner as any other

[eternal veldt]

"I am a Pole" - Fox

[cerulean ice]

I decided to visit ALO history instead of your mother for a change

ba dum tss

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/430896709812486154/1046163136702599198/live_soppy_reaction.gif

[cerulean ice]

(Norway and Finland though both exist more in common consciousness as Fins are the based wódka friends, while Norway is a great seasonal working destination)

• Now, the Germans... the Germans - The memory of Nazis and what they had done obviously exists, as it should. However, there is a a general awareness that Germany has been in fact denazified years ago (you know, unlike the country that made you mention Germany in the first place). And a subtle distinction between economical cooperation and political one - by the end of the day Germany is the European economical powerhouse and is right next to Poland, the direction for decades has been to firmly establish and expand economical cooperation/import/export of various sorts in various sectors and Germany is Poland's top market partner. And that is how it should be and that isn't ass licking. Political relations meanwhile have the catch of Poland always conceal-carrying a knife in case Germany gets any weird idea or just stares at them wrongly.

[manic latch]

So is it like sticks and carrots thingy?

Say if Russia had a economic "closeness" with Poland starting from 1995. Would you guys still carry this hatred or choose to forget/forgive like Germany?

[alpine onyx]

Would've helped Russia if they hadn't spent decades trying to hide just how much they were involved in the invasion of Poland

When did they finally admit to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?

1990?

[manic latch]

Well if it's was 1990 then it's Russia as you said. Soviet Union was at its end

[cerulean ice]

That said though there are political groups in Poland that rely heavily on anti-German rhetoric for one malicious reason or another. One of them is a fringe right-wing group that might even have monarchist elements, heavily populated by nutjobs... and also displays uncanny russian bias and is generally considered to have had a number of high-rank members on russian payroll, so go figure.
The other is the current (not for long) ruling party that has strong totalitarian tendencies/desires. From there are for example the guys suddenly flaunting the "germony big 1 trillion reparations". The malicious reason to use anti-german rhetoric and bring up nazis is really to conceal their own totalitarian desires - they hate the fact that EU looks at their hands so they have to have anti-EU/anti-German attitude politically, at least when dispensing propaganda (because by the end of the day they don't and won't resign from economic stuff with Germany actually, but they just need the nation to believe that they can not be made accountable by EU in any way, even when it comes to the money coming strictly from EU)

[cerulean ice]

No

it is not like that

[manic latch]

[alpine onyx]

Without dipping into modern politics too much, there are still defenders of that pact in high ranking Russian politics

[cerulean ice]

"the pact never happened but it was beneficial"
yar har har

[jagged monolith]

I mean, is it really hypocrisy to try and get every bit of benefit?

[subtle prawn]

https://old.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/10u9kch/a_model_of_what_the_uss_lexington_could_have/

[spring briar]

Bean

[spring briar]

Scheider did rebore a 340 into 406 tho

[ivory ridge]

but did they rebore deez

[manic latch]

Ilulu is cute but you like lasagna

[spring briar]

krem

[elfin zinc]

Ww2 started 1939 and ended in 1945

[spiral cedar]

WW2 started in 1937 and ended in 1945

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shanghai

There are a few options for the start date of WW2, depending on what aspects you want to emphasize. I just like to use 1937 because it makes people think about what is meant by the start of WW2

[manic latch]

Me thirsty

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

thank you random individual very cool

[lone bloom]

Most people don’t talk about the war between China and Japan as it relates to WWII

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/thegeneralboard/status/1622246520836726784?s=20&t=Ug15QxEMWBKTOeTYvF_p3Q

Navy General Board (@thegeneralboard)

I was picking through a British wartime evaluation of their King George V class against the American North Carolina class.

The British thoughts on turret protection was of particular interest.

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Twitter · Feb 5, 2023, 2:51 PM

[desert agate]

they dont but they should

WW2 starting in 1939 is eurocentric and overall poor historigraphy

[lone bloom]

Hard agree

Agree on both of those counts lol

It started in 1937 in my mind

[cerulean ice]

define "most people"
people who for some reason intentionally omit it
or people who simply don't know because their education failed to mention it

[lone bloom]

I’m pretty sure the war in China only ended with the collapse of Japan at the end

[spiral cedar]

something something 1949

[desert agate]

in history classes in the west, WW2 started in 1939

in Western countries involved in the Pacific war you might see a mention of Japans invasion of China in 1937

but it isnt the start date of WW2

[cerulean ice]

like... yea... but I can quite remember from my own education that Sino-Japanese war was brought up (and some context for China in the interwar period, but not earlier) and it being a possible alternate date

[glass trail]

japan invading china wasnt as important because china wasnt a neutral country

[cerulean ice]

there are certain two countries where some people seem to believe that the war only started in 1941

[glass trail]

thats why 1939 is the widely accepted date

[desert agate]

?

[lone bloom]

It wasn’t a neutral country?

[glass trail]

ill explain better

belgium was agreed upon in the 1800s to be a neutral country

nobody can invade it

poland was a country that had already been split several times

so when both of them were invaded, europe responded

[desert agate]

Poland wasn't in a state of diplomatic neutrality before WW2

[glass trail]

whereas china was a country on the other side of the world that nobody really cared about

[lone bloom]

There it is

[spiral cedar]

The invasion of Belgium was in 1940

[desert agate]

yes thats my point

[lone bloom]

There’s the Eurocentric mindset lmfao

[humble mulch]

Lmao

[desert agate]

people saying that 1939 is the start date of WW2 is eurocentrism

[cerulean ice]

but by that logic... Poland was a neutral country as well because they still had valid in 1939 non-aggression pacts with Germany and russia from few years prior

[glass trail]

belgium and poland response is eurocentric

im agreeing with yall

[lone bloom]

Oh, I see

[desert agate]

people acting under the erroneous belief that China is somehow less important than Europe

[lone bloom]

I thought you were disagreeing lol

[glass trail]

nono i was adding more explanation

mb

[lone bloom]

Yes, you’re correct

[cerulean ice]

if you agree then I don't understand your point

[desert agate]

i get your point now

[spiral cedar]

WW2 started in 1941 because the war in Europe and the war in Asia were only unified into one larger conflict in Dec 1941

[glass trail]

no i agree that 1939 is the eurocentric date because poland and belgium were invaded around that time

[desert agate]

the eurocentric view of WW2 is being challenged in historical circles and I'm sure that we'll see history curriculums rewritten in 10 years or so

or maybe it wont happen because of 2nd cold war tensions

we'll see

[lone bloom]

It would be nice

[glass trail]

poland and belgium are in fact in europe

[spiral cedar]

WWII started in 1931, who’s with me

[humble mulch]

what the fuck happened in 31

[manic latch]

Ww2 started with WW1

[humble mulch]

Beer hall push?

[lone bloom]

WW2 started with the unification of Germany

[glass trail]

[cerulean ice]

what the heck is up with Belgium

[manic latch]

Isn't WW2 1939 because other nations didn't really give a fuck about China's suffering while waged war on Germany for invading nation?

[cerulean ice]

are you mistaking WW1 Belgium with WW2?

[lone bloom]

Pretty much

[glass trail]

both are similar situations

[cerulean ice]

so you were talking about WW1 Belgium?

[lone bloom]

Nanking

[cerulean ice]

I don't understand

[delicate beacon]

I thought it was 1939 because it's the moment the wars weren't regional anymore?

[glass trail]

after belgium gained its independence france and uk both wanted control over it, so they proposed a neutrality similar to switzerland's

[delicate beacon]

Then again the US did still call the wars regional

[spiral cedar]

Japan conquers Manchuria

[glass trail]

im still talking about wwii

[cerulean ice]

ok, but Belgium in WW2 was invaded right before France, 8 months after Poland

[spiral cedar]

Or, rather, a rogue part of the IJA overruns Manchuria and Japan decides to keep it

[delicate beacon]

WW2 started at the Battle of Tsushima

[glass trail]

...

[cerulean ice]

so why do you even mention it

there is like 3 other countries invaded in between Poland and Belgium even

[glass trail]

i mention it because it happened much later than the japanese invasion of china

[cerulean ice]

but is not considered a date by anyone

[glass trail]

and it was the most influential invasion after germanys invasion of poland

because of the truce that germany broke

so poland, then belgium

[cerulean ice]

but it is not a relevant date for any consideration of the beginning of the war and is way apart from the date in question, so I just don't get why you list those in a single breath

[manic latch]

Polands gets invaded

UK and France declares war on Germany for it

= WW2

While there was a China vs Japan thingy before but I doubt anyone making war declaration like this for China

[spiral cedar]

The only reason to hold 1939 over 1937 is if you think any war involving the British Empire is inherently a world war

[lone bloom]

The Japan vs China ‘thingy’ is a pretty big deal imo as it relates to the war

[frigid karma]

ww2 started in 1914 because it was just a continuation of ww1 after a temporary ceasefire

im just quoting foch, ofc

[manic latch]

But let's say Germany didn't pulled a funny. Would that conflict spread to other nations still?

[desert agate]

im not sure how Poland being invaded by Germany is any more global in scale than Japans invasion of China

[frigid karma]

most likely yes

since japan wants to nom

[spiral cedar]

Let's say Japan didn't fight with China in 1937. Would the European conflict become a world war?

[lone bloom]

Japan started shit in the pacific without any substantial pushing from Germany

[spiral cedar]

If any war involving the British Empire is a world war, then you can make that argument that 1939 has priority over 1937. But you then need to list a lot of other wars as world wars

[frigid karma]

the only reason why people consider 39 the start of WW2 is because they saw WW1 as a european conflict - except for the fact that WW1 also saw combat in Africa, the Middle East, Pacific and Asia

[manic latch]

Fair

[frigid karma]

7 years war is the WW0

[shut wren]

World war season 3 when

[frigid karma]

[cerulean ice]

I could try to make a point about only from September 1939 the war actually being "world" because only then were countries from beyond a single continent
...except it kinda falls apart due to the fact that the only reason for that intercontinental involvement being French and British overseas territories and dominions, where fighting didn't even take place (until Italy joins)
and it being then inconsistent with other conflicts whose dates are from inciting incidents and not from the day Brits or French join in

nowadays I often see the term "Beginning of the War in Europe" rather than just "Beginning of the War, period"

[spiral cedar]

Clearly the Falklands War was WW3 because Britain was involved

[cerulean ice]

which at least doesn't elevate it above "Beginning of the War in Asia"

[desert agate]

ARGENTINA WORLD POWER

[shut wren]

The empire was no more

[frigid karma]

no more world wars

[lone bloom]

It all eventually became an interconnected conflict. It didn’t start that way. Only in 41 did the pieces get lynched together

[frigid karma]

because british empire doesn't exist?

[spiral cedar]

They still had HK

[frigid karma]

[cerulean ice]

well they had that island still, which is in South America, so it was an intercontinental conflict

[shut wren]

Not anymore

[spiral cedar]

I meant at the time of the Falklands

[lone bloom]

But a part of that conflict started in 37, so we should say that the war started in 37

[spiral cedar]

Not today ofc

[shut wren]

True

[frigid karma]

Ok so

Argentina was the last to join ww2

in august 27th, 1945

Therefore, WW2 started in 1945?

[lone bloom]

No that’s not what I’m saying

[frigid karma]

so major powers only?

[lone bloom]

I’m just saying that a piece of the conflict (that eventually became connected to all the others) started in 37 with the full scale Japanese invasion of China

[frigid karma]

then what about WW1?

Italy didn't join until 1915

[spiral cedar]

There were two main theaters of WW2, the European and Asia-Pacific. The former did not merge with the latter into one overarching conflict until 1941. I think that’s a valid point of view

[frigid karma]

should we change the start date (when all major powers became involved) to 15?

[lone bloom]

I’m not qualified to speak on wwi lol

Wwi is a big soupy mess to me

[shut wren]

Ww2 gang

[lone bloom]

I’m not at all saying that we should say the war started in 41

[cerulean ice]

the funny thing with not mentioning 1937 in USA is that it is considerably more relevant to the context of USA entering the conflict than 1939

[spiral cedar]

In regards to the eventual US entry into WW2, 1940 is more relevant than 1939

[lone bloom]

I’m saying that the sino Japanese war is connected to all the conflicts that make up wwii and that we should call that the start of the war

[desert agate]

WW1 is only really called a world war because there was no counter to eurocentrism at the time and the name has never had a serious challenge

[spiral cedar]

But the Second Sino-Japanese War started in 1931

[frigid karma]

I mean

[glass trail]

wwii start date as 1941 because thats when us got involved

[desert agate]

it really was for all intents and purposes a localised European conflict with a relatively minor theatre in the middle east

[shut wren]

And USSR

[frigid karma]

the war saw frequent guerilla conflicts, the palestinian conflict, the siege of tsintao, the seizure of various pacific islands, etc.

[cerulean ice]

like, ok, in Europe obviously 1939 is way more relevant, I think we can agree on that. But for USA it is like... might pick from either, one certainly makes more sense for the context of their own start

[cerulean ice]

well it was initially just called The Great War, so

it wasn't really Eurocentric at first, because it didn't claim "World"

[desert agate]

WW1 in the Pacific and Asia ended in 3 months

[shut wren]

So rename WW2 to ww1?

[desert agate]

it was barely a front

it had no impact on the war whatsoever and absorbed almost no resources for any combatant

[lone bloom]

I feel like wwi should just be called the Great War

Wwii is, in many way, the sequel to that war. And it was much bigger, and actually on a global scale. Ww2 was a world war but ww1 was not

[cerulean ice]

it was retroactively renamed into World War 1 after the second war was legit a World War

[frigid karma]

Is iraq not in asia?

[shut wren]

In Asia

[desert agate]

the middle eastern theatre, as mentioned, was a more significant front and more relevant to the combatants of WW1

[cerulean ice]

imagine a different timeline where they are in fact called "The Great War" and "The World War"

[lone bloom]

Would make much more sense lol

[cerulean ice]

instead of shorthanded to heck "WW1 and WW2"

[glass trail]

gw and ww

[cerulean ice]

what next, WWW?

[shut wren]

Either way people died

[glass trail]

[manic latch]

WWE

[shut wren]

World war,season 3

[desert agate]

the actions in Africa were again minor and relatively uninvested in by the major combatants

[frigid karma]

wkwk

[lone bloom]

The US dropped Batista Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki

[spiral cedar]

world wars grass

[desert agate]

WW1 remains a European conflict first and foremost

[frigid karma]

relatively minor, yes, but also somewhat unprecedented to even see them involved in an otherwise eurocentric conflict

[manic latch]

Europe= The world

[desert agate]

that is in fact the idea im challenging here

[frigid karma]

also America joined in in 1918, which would explain why postwar people called it a WW since the Americas also got themselves involved

[spiral cedar]

.

[desert agate]

and where did the Americans fight

[frigid karma]

im not debating the fighting took place 90% in europe

[cerulean ice]

not just post-war, basically until WW2 it was The Great War?

[manic latch]

Ain's that coming from "civilized world" being the true world or smh

[frigid karma]

i'm just trying to explain why people called it a World War

not necessarily trying to justify it

because it is pretty incorrect terminology

[lone bloom]

I feel like it was only called a world war after the Second World War

[frigid karma]

it was, actually

[spiral cedar]

Gallipoli is in Asia right?

[cerulean ice]

depends

[frigid karma]

Is turkey asia?

[desert agate]

yes and no

[frigid karma]

yesn't

[spiral cedar]

Past Istanbul. Yes

[frigid karma]

asian't

then it's asian

[cerulean ice]

it is on the eastern side of the strait, so when Turkey controls it it is Asia

if it was on the western side of the strait it would be in Europe

[desert agate]

so the town of Gelibolu is located on the European side of the Dardanelles

[cerulean ice]

or if Byzantine Empire controlled it, then it would also be considered Europe still

[spring briar]

7 years war

[desert agate]

however the Gallipoli campaign was fought on both sides

[spring briar]

[shut wren]

World war,the prequel

[desert agate]

the French fought on the Asian side and the Entente fought on the European side

[frigid karma]

the point i'm trying to make here, Hit, is that you have the Chinese, Japanese, Europeans, Aussies, Americans, Ottomans, Arabs, and Africans all fighting in one war

mostly European, and mostly in Europe, yes

[cerulean ice]

no, wait, crap, I screwed up

yes, it is on the western side of the strait

[frigid karma]

but the diversity of combatants made people after WW2 call it WW1

[cerulean ice]

so Europe it is

[spring briar]

Y’all bozos

[frigid karma]

that, along with the fact that it's pretty obvious WW1 led to WW2

[desert agate]

the French abandoned the Asian side after a few months and redirected their forces to the European side and to other fronts

[lone bloom]

Feel like this is the main reason they call it wwi

[spiral cedar]

Franco-Prussian War of 1871 led to WWI

[desert agate]

unfortunately in my trip to Gallipoli I wasnt able to search for the abandoned French Gallipoli memorials

wasnt there nearly long enough

[spring briar]

Thx for trying

[desert agate]

i wanted to spend a few days on the peninsular but i was overruled by family

[cerulean ice]

would Japanese say it is a town of ||Gelb00ru||

[shut wren]

The migrations of humans out of Africa 200000 years ago led to ww1

[spring briar]

Beyblade led to ww1

Its literally cannon

[frigid karma]

that and like 30 other things

but most people attribute WW2 in europe starting because "hitler and germany angy"

[cerulean ice]

go to #memes

[frigid karma]

👀

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

fox has been gone for quite a while i see

[manic latch]

Say. If Earth and 3 other planet was against 2 other planets

What war would that be called

[manic latch]

Space wars?

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Great space war?

[spring briar]

Krem

[shut wren]

Solar war 1

[spring briar]

Star wars

[cerulean ice]

it would probably end up being called "[something] revolution"

[manic latch]

Didn't Reagan did Star wars

[desert agate]

one of the abandoned french memorials at Gallipoli

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

[spiral cedar]

WW2 started because Japan was broke after the Russo-Japanese War

[desert agate]

theres a decent few there as far as im aware

[spiral cedar]

[spring briar]

Right I was in Drach’s server a couple days ago and they literally said Britain carried ww1

[desert agate]

does france have an equivalent to the commonwealth war graves commission maintaining french war graves overseas

[spring briar]

Not sure

[lone bloom]

There are a lot of reasons for the start of wwii lol

We could start by saying that human beings are terrible

[desert agate]

because if so y'all need to get them to do their fucking jobs

[spiral cedar]

The initial conditions of the universe caused WW2

[lone bloom]

True

The Big Bang

[spring briar]

Bazinga

[cerulean ice]

it would just be a difference between direct reasons and indirect reasons and context of the situation that led to certain developments prior

[lone bloom]

Hitler had a bad sandwich and he was feeling grumpy

[shut wren]

Homie went broke cuz he didn’t draw anime titties

[frigid karma]

chatgpt sucks at analyzing ballistic data

[spiral cedar]

Shocking

[frigid karma]

The H-39 battleship would be relatively effective at resisting the South Dakota's main armament, with the immunity zone stretching out to 36,000 yards. However, it should be noted that the immunity zone calculations are based on certain assumptions and may not accurately reflect real-world performance.

[shut wren]

Unbelievable

[frigid karma]

crappy ai

cant believe i paid 10 billion dollars for this

do you think best buy takes refunds

[desert agate]

Haven't cried in a long time but I teared up at Gallipoli

Very emotional place

[spiral cedar]

Sounds like it

[shut wren]

10 dollars of store credit at best

[spring briar]

What happened here

[desert agate]

was eating in a restaurant and one of the owners came up to us and told us our ancestors were very brave

[desert agate]

thats Anzac cove

where the Australians and New Zealanders landed on the 25th of April 1915

[lone bloom]

The ultimate take away from all of this should be that war fucking sucks

[shut wren]

For everyone

There are no winners

Only the bigger loser and the smaller loser

[desert agate]

The beach has shrunk in the last 100 years

[lone bloom]

Sometimes you just need a reminder

But this stuff is not nice

[shut wren]

I though I saw a mammoth

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

seeing rows and rows of graves was an experience indeed

thats just like a tiny amount of the graves at Lone Pine

[shrewd pecan]

I get the war is hell tho I can’t really agree with the bigger loser and smaller loser take since there’s conflicts you can apply that to and conflicts where you cannot

[desert agate]

i got more pictures on my dslr but 6 months later i still havent been assed to get the pictures off it

[frigid karma]

i mean, plenty of wars had pretty clear winners, who were ultimately better off in the long run because of it

[shrewd pecan]

for example most of the colonial conflicts during the age of colonization where the Europeans made off with all of the wealth of the natives at little cost

or WW2 where the US ended off in a much better place than it started

[cerulean ice]

that is not a takeaway, that is a basic reaction of an intelligent being that is not dependent on the war in question
it forgoes the analysis of why a specific conflict happens and how it is carried, which are more relevant takeaways for actually hopefully reducing the amount of conflicts in the future

[shut wren]

I shoulda have worded it better

[cerulean ice]

it is like saying "this movie sucks" and leaving a one star review

[shut wren]

I meant in world war 2

[spiral cedar]

The tragedies of war do no override its occasional necessity. But nor does necessity alleviate its tragedies

[shrewd pecan]

Yeah but there were definite winners in WW2

[desert agate]

and the 407'000 dead americans were not winners

[shut wren]

But the cost they paid

[shrewd pecan]

a cost was paid indeed Im not denying that

But for what it gained I’d argue the US was a definite winner

[desert agate]

WW1 was really a fuck

[spring briar]

Belgium was very big loser

[frigid karma]

but also

cool steampunk art

[desert agate]

60'000 dead in a foreign land for a few islands in the pacific

[spring briar]

All infrastructure destroyed, no repayments

[desert agate]

a cost paid indeed

[frigid karma]

don't you do tabletop ww2 games

why do you not know this

[shut wren]

The soviets and Chinese took the biggest hits for WW2

[frigid karma]

well

as a percapita analysis,

[shut wren]

Well USSR had more after effect

[cerulean ice]

chinese maybe (but then, proportionally to their absurd population those big hits still look small despite their sheer numbers

[shrewd pecan]

The former USSR hasn’t recovered from the population loss to this day

[cerulean ice]

but russians, just no lmao

[spring briar]

Very big oof

[frigid karma]

the ussr was in control of a massive communist empire that challenged the americans up to the 80s

[shut wren]

Shit came crashing down

[frigid karma]

they suffered greatly, but they also gained quite a bit from ww2 since they were effectively elevated to one of the top 2 world powers

[manic latch]

Still never understood what British did with their Lend Lease. Since irrc they got more than Soviets did

[shrewd pecan]

honestly the USSR I’d say is a case of losing less

[shut wren]

We got mitilda tanks

Or how ever tf you spell it

[manic latch]

I mean as British getting from US

[shrewd pecan]

Sherman’s and Stuart’s were literally some of the main tanks in the British army

[shut wren]

Planes food tanks

[desert agate]

Alone – long before visiting these battlefields had become something of
a rite of passage for many young Australians – I wandered around, awestruck at the savagery of the terrain, how the cliffs rose all but straight from
the shore, how the trace of the trenches meandered in parallel lines so close
together, how some of the gullies they’d fought in and for looked rather
more like abysses to my eyes.
Standing on the beach below the spot known as The Sphinx, I noticed a
great deal of erosion in the landscape all around, and wondered about it
until I suddenly realised. That was not mere erosion, it was the scars of
thousands of artillery shells hitting those hills!
At Lone Pine Cemetery, amid all the gravestones marked with such
words as DUTY NOBLY DONE, HE DIED IN A FAR
COUNTRY/FIGHTING FOR/HIS NATIVE LAND, A MOTHER’S
THOUGHTS OFTEN WANDER TO THIS SAD AND LONELY
GRAVE … I noted an epitaph that quite shocked me, going something like
DIED IN A FOREIGN FIELD. AND FOR WHAT?

[shrewd pecan]

And American aircraft made up large proportions of the RAF

[frigid karma]

i'm still hyper mad about BFV getting canceled because in BF1 we had the Russian CW in 1920

i don't think any other fps covered that conflict

and i was holding out hope for a Chinese Civil War as a DLC to BFV, it fit perfectly

[manic latch]

Did BFV died because of trailer and community shitshow or game was bad?

[desert agate]

game was bad

[shrewd pecan]

Game ended up good in the end

[frigid karma]

game is good

worse than bf1, but still good

the initial release was a shitshow with the gamers having a gamer moment about women, and the devs basically acting like dicks inr eturn

[shut wren]

I get sent to the gulag every match in wz2

[manic latch]

BF1 was the peak I guess. Bf5 and the 2042...

[frigid karma]

but, they recovered all of their bad PR when the pacific DLC came out

people were loving that shit

then they canceled all development promptly after al marj encampment

[desert agate]

the one smart thing maine ever said was about Australian reverse lend lease to the US

[deep apex]

I personally can't choose between 1918 or 1931

[frigid karma]

because they needed to go smear feces on their brand in 2042

[manic latch]

[frigid karma]

by that point though most of the bf1/v team already left

because EA

fuck EA

[shut wren]

Fuck ea

[frigid karma]

we had fucking soviet soldiers in the files

[manic latch]

Command and Conquer

[desert agate]

this is #history not #other-games

[frigid karma]

we literally had a French tiralleur campaign

imagine if they kept the gallipoli campaign in bf1 story

and then never added turning tides

[desert agate]

go to #other-games

[frigid karma]

Hit, have you played bf1 btw?

[desert agate]

course i have

i was one of the top gewehr m.95 infantry players

[frigid karma]

do you know for the gallipoli mission, there's actually an italian flag

[desert agate]

top like 0.5% or something

[frigid karma]

m95 is just for noobs who can't aim

[deep apex]

I was on console

[desert agate]

so true

[frigid karma]

SMLE is way better

you actually get a sweet spot

[deep apex]

I think my best rifle was the Gewehr 98

[desert agate]

SMLE sights always fucked me

[frigid karma]

just switch to carbine or radium

[desert agate]

i liked arisaka sights better

no

[frigid karma]

Arisaka is a perfect gun except for its reload

too slow

[desert agate]

as a point of principle i never used scopes

or optics

[deep apex]

Machine guns? Perino, browning, or Chauchat

[frigid karma]

radium is also iron sights

[desert agate]

scopes only if necessary

[deep apex]

Chauchat fired slow but it hit like a truck

[desert agate]

infantry rifles all the way

but anyway

#other-games

[frigid karma]

and if you want a hyper ptfo rifle pick carcano

[desert agate]

[deep apex]

I always send scopes

[desert agate]

i loved the carcano

[deep apex]

Okay

[desert agate]

it was so nice

but also

#other-games

[frigid karma]

"oh but no straight pull bolt" fuck you just aim better

[desert agate]

[frigid karma]

Hit

[shut wren]

Dp27

[frigid karma]

you are talking to a person who spent like 2 hours talking about wt here the other dya

you are not mod

[shut wren]

Agreed

[desert agate]

yeah i know and you should have gone to #other-games

[frigid karma]

go cry to your gf tea if you want me to stop

[deep apex]

I was talking about bf1, not irl pepega

[desert agate]

hey @humble mulch

[frigid karma]

oh shit

[manic latch]

Snitch

[frigid karma]

snitch

[shut wren]

Silent help

[desert agate]

yeah im a snitch but i want history talk in the history channel

if you dont want history talk then why are you here?

[deep apex]

Chauchat was bad, but the concept it opened up was fantastic

Irl

[spring briar]

Chauchat was not bad

[deep apex]

Reliability speaking

[frigid karma]

it had good and bad

[cerulean ice]

shut the fuck up

[frigid karma]

but exposed magazine, yikes

[cerulean ice]

about Battlefield

[spring briar]

That was not one of its bad points

Kek

[deep apex]

THE CHAUCHAT IS A REAL WEAPON YOU IDIOT

[frigid karma]

Spoon, chill

[spring briar]

Why are you fucks talking about bf1

Gtfo

[deep apex]

I'm. Not.

[frigid karma]

Fox was just thinking we were still talking about bf1 because he has internet explorer

[deep apex]

I'm talking about the real Chauchat

[frigid karma]

anyways have an aircraft carrier

[shut wren]

Soviet airship memories

Imagine that but with modern jets

[shrewd pecan]

so the suicide blimp?

[spring briar]

So am i

[shut wren]

Never played red alert

[spring briar]

And it did not have reliability issues beyond yikes mud

[shrewd pecan]

I don’t think your gonna have a good time trying to recover a modern jet onto a zeppelin without making massive sacrifices in that jets design

[desert agate]

ITS FIVE INCH FRIDAY EVERYONE COME PACK UP YOUR BAGS AND HEAD ON DOWN TO AL FAW WEVE GOT SHOTS SHOTS AND MORE SHOTS

[frigid karma]

five inches?

checks pants

[shrewd pecan]

ah

[frigid karma]

sorry, i can't go

[shut wren]

It’s actually Sunday

[shut wren]

It’s too big?

[manic latch]

Shame nobody speaks about this proposal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

The proposals called for CIA operatives to both stage and commit acts of violent terrorism against American military and civilian targets, blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba.

[desert agate]

If you can find a better price on any stocked item we'll invade your country under false pretences of the discovery of WMDs

[shrewd pecan]

I see that brought up all the time

[frigid karma]

yeah, standard CIA stuff

[frigid karma]

virgin american 'noo therer are WMDs we need to protect for world safety' vs chad british 'give us oil'

[shut wren]

The CIA wanted to make a fake gay porno with a fake cuban Castro

[manic latch]

[cerulean ice]

as if I haven't heard that a few times already from another person

[shrewd pecan]

man for invading a country for its oil weird we didn’t get control of their oil

[manic latch]

Question

Does Australia has a king

[frigid karma]

i was talking about the brits

[desert agate]

we are unfortunately members of the British monarchy yes

[manic latch]

F

[desert agate]

not for long though

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Y’all let’s talk about the communit balloons

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unfortunately, hit will always be briitish

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What’s the deal with a Chinese spy balloon? I’m ootl

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not going to go into specifics because of politics but the republican movement has never been stronger and the current government even has a minister responsible for hashing out the details of a republic

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tldr balloon floated from china to ak to canada to us

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assuming this government wins the next election there will be a referendum on the monarchy question within 6 years

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it's happened before

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Pentagon said they found a third one

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media just made a fuss out of it now because and they shot it down with a raptor

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Change of flag as well?

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they gonna be renaming HMAS into "His Mates Aussie Ship"

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yeah

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Damn

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Lol

[shut wren]

We missed twice

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it's modern politics so i'd really

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can't keep a british watermark if we arent under the poms anymore

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rather not talk about it

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new flag would be nice anyway

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I mean the Brit’s did create a independent Kurdistan just to destroy it for its oil so I’ll give you that

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I saw a meme that was comparing the f22 to a mig and it was like “mig: 0 balloons; f22: at least one balloon”

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we havent changed our flag since before WW1

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laser kangaroo

you don't want those zealanders fuck one-upping you lot, do you?

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Seeing Indian Navy's new flag. I really hope you guys hire good designer

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They actually painted a balloon on the f-22

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a republic is effectively inevitable at this point

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what's wrong with this?

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It looks like PowerPoint with 2 copy paste command

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libs wont win the 2025 election because their leader looks like voldemort and labor has (finally) unified around a republic

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Wish they added some kind of cross or borderline

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couldn't they have just put the naval sigil in the middle of the normal flag?

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They haven’t

It’s a photoshop

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labor had unified around a republic in 1996 too but unfortunately two australian republicans cannot exist within 5 metres of each other without violence being involved

[shut wren]

Let me check again

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Tho I wouldn’t be surprised if a kill marking on a F-22 appears soon

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1996 failed because the plan was stupid and no one could agree

the net referendum wont make the same mistakes

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are you even allowed to make those markings anymore?

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Yes

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wouldn't that mess up the stealth coating?

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...I realised there is more planes with a F22 kill marking than F22 has marking

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Coat over it

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These look like Minecraft pickaxes

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There’s also this one since a A-10 managed a F-22 kill during a exercise

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yes, because if the f22 had exercise kill markings it'd look tacky

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Sorry tato

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Wonder how badly that 22 pilot got bullied for that

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I can hear the wasted money

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And Eurofighter

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Sorry krem

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For what

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For not being there for you

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Helium balloons kids lost while leaving amusement park

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I though he said the kids themselves

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I hate it when my kid lose their bus sized balloons

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Three bus*

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Gtg launching more balloons

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Red Alert Kirov was realistic all along

[shrewd pecan]

The F-22s combat kill record will succeed the F-15s by the end of the week

[shut wren]

All balloons

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🤨 thinking about it up until ukraine most of the MIG-29s air to air kills were Cessnas

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I don’t think the J-10/11 has any

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Most of the Mig-25 kills were F4s irrc

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_shootdown_of_Brothers_to_the_Rescue_aircraft

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Damn

Cuban mig 29 wt when

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F-22 vs Mexican Cartel when

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Then the only F-15 technically shot down in air to air combat was a Japanese F-15 shooting down another Japanese F-15 during a exercise

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Man wtf

What’s with US planes shooting shoe US planes

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22 November 1995: F-15J, 52-8846, of the 303rd Tactical Fighter Squadron, Komatsu AFB, JASDF, during air-intercept training over the Sea of Japan, flown by Lt. Tatsumi Higuchi was shot down by an AIM-9L Sidewinder missile accidentally fired by his wingman. The pilot ejected safely.[6][97][100]

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F

Guess you can say

"He take the L"

[shut wren]

NAAHH

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Say

Will Aim-9X continue

Or a new missile will come

[shut wren]

Aim 9Y

And Z

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there’s been multiple attempts at new AIM-9X blocks

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Blocks instead going Y?

[shrewd pecan]

most have been cancelled for various reasons

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Can it still shoot land targets?

[shut wren]

I was joking

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AIM-9X is in the bracket of being good enough while the budget needs to go into AIM-120 upgrades and ultimately replacement

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Aim-220 ye

260*

[shut wren]

I feel the only reason wt ain’t added more new shit is cuz mfs are gonna leak the manuals and shit

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Wait till they add F-117

[shrewd pecan]

So with the war thunder classified shit

You can literally get that shit off of a U.S. government website most of the time

[shut wren]

Some of the stuff are classified

[shrewd pecan]

Only shit of value was the Chinese, French and Brit leaks

[shut wren]

I can’t access it

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You can literally get the F-22s flight manual and it’s perfectly legal

[shut wren]

Lmao fr

I found em online

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Wasnt Chinese shell was on web years ago but got attention with WT

[shut wren]

Yep

Some mf put a shell on the picture

The bp

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Also

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Have the YF-23s flight manual

https://sobchak.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/northrop_yf-23a_utility_flight_manual.pdf