history

[spiral cedar]

Nonsense. The Japanese 18.1” gun killed more Japanese aircraft than any other battleship gun of WWII

[lime belfry]

words to live for

[spiral cedar]

[eternal veldt]

Beehive shell

So effective it explodes in your barrel and forces the whole turret to evacuate

Die-joubu desu

[spiral cedar]

Vice Admiral Kurita's Second Fleet steams about 100 miles ahead of Vice Admiral Ozawa's carriers.

At 0920, YAMATO's lookouts spot aircraft approaching at 13,125 feet. This is the fighter unit of Air Group 601's second strike. Admiral Kurita has received no information about a friendly overflight. Cruiser TAKAO fires four starshells meaning "identify yourself", but no reply is received. The planes keep approaching.

At 16,400 yards, YAMATO and the other ships execute a turn to port and open fire. YAMATO's main guns, loaded with "Sanshiki-dan" shells, are fired in anger for the first time - but at friendly forces! Four Mitsubishi Zeke fighters are damaged. Another ditches. MUSASHI's lookouts correctly identify the planes and she is the only ship that does not open fire.```

[spring briar]

[lime belfry]

see ? we are getting somewhere

now I am gonna scroll down and read the rest

see if anything pop up

[eternal veldt]

Good luck doing something that historians have been finding for the past 3 decades

[lime belfry]

well I busted some myself but it minor stuff

like a revolver that some dudes in the jungle made 70 years ago

actually had a name and a production number

but u know, that just gun community stuff

[eternal veldt]

Japan had the minor inconvenience of destroying all the sekrit dokumints upon surrendering

"Oh, what's these? Haha, my big Shinano plans?"

"yea hahaha, I accidentally lost them, sorry sir, dont mind that burning furnace there, it's just too cold today"

[lime belfry]

The Vietminh had the minor inconvenience of never even bother recording anything

but yeah, not a gun history channel

I dont want to go down too much on that

[spring briar]

Digging tunnels takes time
No time for administration

[shrewd pecan]

we go into basically

any type of history here tbh

[lime belfry]

well but not gun u know

[shrewd pecan]

man

[spring briar]

@lime belfry i will steal your pho

[shrewd pecan]

we go on insane rants about tojostan

and other things

[eternal veldt]

You are on too much Uncle Roger my guy

[spring briar]

No

[lime belfry]

https://www.gunboards.com/threads/viet-cong-enfield.1231751/

[spring briar]

I actually love pho

[eternal veldt]

Stop doing the white powder

[spring briar]

No

[lime belfry]

In short, there is a discussion recently about this gun

and they thought it was Vietcong

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

[lime belfry]

but I went into crazed mode and just went to a museum which I remembered had 4 of these guns

to check

[shrewd pecan]

the Vietcong ended up with everything from MP40s

to homemade M1911s

its not surprising

[lime belfry]

well I mean

in the end

it wasnt a VC gun

it was a Vietminh gun made by CAX

which was pretty impressive because they made a near perfect copy of the Enfield

in quite a large production

I managed to find 5 examples in museum

and grandson of a worker that made the gun contacted me

and sent me 2 photos of the guys with these

so... I guess I solved a mysery that was there for 70 years

[spring briar]

Artillery exam final question

[lime belfry]

Pho was French by all acounts

so i guess that why you like it

[spring briar]

What war was this shell used in

[eternal veldt]

I should probably try, er, what is it

[spring briar]

I like it because it’s good?

[eternal veldt]

Bahn mi

[lime belfry]

it a joke

Banh Mi

[sleek folio]

WTF is this real? how's the project called?

[spring briar]

[lime belfry]

yeah it good

Baguette, but better

[eternal veldt]

Kaneda Copium No. 500000

[lime belfry]

sorry french but we stole your stuff and made it better

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

It doesnt take much to conjecture up a design

As Kaiser Wilhelm II did

Whether it floats without sinking is another thing entirely

[lime belfry]

have u seen the german and their confidence they can mount a 51cm gun on a ship ?

it easy to just imagine

it hard to actually turn it to reality

[eternal veldt]

If you are referring to H-44

They are unrestricted studies

Basically "please dont send me to the eastern front"

[shrewd pecan]

insane propaganda designs that would of never been built or finished

[spring briar]

And they werent even looked at by navy high command

[spiral cedar]

There’s like a 60% chance the ship just blows up in port if ever built (and floated) because some sailor forgot to air condition one of the 41cm magazines

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

Its almost as delusional as that 7.5k ton speedboat design

[lime belfry]

I want some of the stuff the German engineers smoked before they came up with another insane design

sounds like some good stuff

[eternal veldt]

With 12 20.3cm guns and Jumo turbines

On 40 knots

Sure Germoney

[shrewd pecan]

its the equivalent of printing out scientific papers that make no new conclusions just to get attention

[spiral cedar]

The Japanese only ever had to maintain 8 41cm powder magazines and they still got one to explode in port. How they are going to keep a few dozen from doing that is anyone’s guess

[shrewd pecan]

its meant to be eye catching enough to not get the engineers sent to the Eastern front

[eternal veldt]

You mean they have an illegal booze party inside

[spiral cedar]

[eternal veldt]

[lime belfry]

u know, for being essentially the "most famous AAA" in ww2

the Flak 88 isnt mounted on a lot of ships

[spiral cedar]

Yeh

[sleek folio]

bruh aparently is real emmm is that even a thing? like what?

in what moment someone can think is possible in the first place?

[eternal veldt]

Do you consider Habakkuk to be real?

Its about as demented as that

[spiral cedar]

Okay, let me clarify. Some dude sketched it out; doesn’t mean anyone ever thought it should or would be built

[shrewd pecan]

its the equivalent

of someone going into shipbucket

and making a shitpost ship

[spring briar]

[lime belfry]

yeah just because some German dudes came up with something so they didnt get turned into Volksturm

doesnt mean everyone thinks it viable

most designs are just paper that got jerked off by wehraboo

[eternal veldt]

You know what

I have to find that speedboat again

With literally floatinf boing boing airfields

[shrewd pecan]

like there's far better examples of "crazy" ship ideas that were put under actual consideration

[eternal veldt]

Its too much

[shrewd pecan]

arsenal ship is one of them man

[spiral cedar]

Hey now, that paper provides a valuable service in ensuring the Wehragunk doesn’t get all over the rest of us

[lime belfry]

kids 100 years from now gonna look at all the shitposts of tank and ship designs that some dudes on Deviantarts made

and decided it was real

[spiral cedar]

Story of H-45

[lime belfry]

but honestly, HMS Furious is a shitpost that became too real

surprised she isnt in AL yet

[spiral cedar]

Fisher is a shitpost come to life

I had a fierce time with the First Lord - Very fierce!

"The 18in was ordered by the Admiralty (ie Fisher) direct from Elswick, the only firm with plant to handle such huge pieces. The Ordnance Board were simply bypassed, which was probably illegal"```

[shrewd pecan]

the AL History patron saint lord fisher

[eternal veldt]

no please, I don't want to go to Murmansk

[sleek folio]

what is this?

[shrewd pecan]

what the hell m I looking at silver

[eternal veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515583624083406848/791354906380206120/unknown.png broken link

[shrewd pecan]

dear god

[lime belfry]

man, those chocolate mixed with drug is too strong

but honestly, kinda creative

very creative even

[eternal veldt]

This is (according to the signature and the mark) a design from 1940, fora diesel powered light cruiser, which should be able
to accomodate up to eight twin engined bombers (Ju 88 ?) on the open deck, without hangar. Take-off and landing should be
possible on an inflatable raft, 200m x 20m, extended by a rollable mesh, 200m x 25m, which would have been rolled out by a
torpedo like float and was intended to dampen waves. I first thought, the aircraft were on catapults, but it rather seem to be
ramps for lowering them on that inflatable airfield. Additional to the four propellers, there seems to be a Voith-Schneider
propeller, too, maybe for better maneuverability during the process of launchinmg and recovering the aircraft ?
And no, it doesn't seem to be intended for one-way missions, because landing of aircraft ist explicitely mentioned.

[lime belfry]

are those JU88 ?

[eternal veldt]

again, the concept of inflatable airfield is already very meme-worthy

[eternal veldt]

now when you realize they're using fucking Jumo turbines

The Royal Navy stands no chance against this

[spiral cedar]

A hundred paper drawings of inflatable airfields is still of less combat value than one USS Ranger

[shrewd pecan]

insane thought experiments

[eternal veldt]

H-44 looks sensible compared to this shit

[lime belfry]

RaNGer in AL is broken for her rarity

she can outdamage Enty if RNG is on her side

and RNG is in her name

[eternal veldt]

If you want actual shitposts, look no further than pre-rebuild Akagi and Kaga

[spring briar]

Ayo its atlantikkreuzer

[eternal veldt]

One gives everyone lung cancer with funnel smoke

the other gives everyone heat stroke with a funnel that runs alongside the ship

all because Fujimoto and Hiraga needed to have a dick measuring contest

tfw Kaga is so inhospitable it has to go into rebuild earlier than Akagi

[lime belfry]

damn it, wrong gun

[eternal veldt]

Such is the meme that is early aircraft carriers

Many experiments, few successes

[lime belfry]

what with using 76.2mm than refers to it as 8 cm ?

[spiral cedar]

Well, the Japanese classified their 410mm as 41cm, then 40cm

Their 200mm as 20cm

Their 203mm as 20cm

[spring briar]

46 as 40

[spiral cedar]

Their 46cm as 40cm

[lime belfry]

no wonder why IJN ships in this game has inconsistent bust size

not even the Japanese know

[spring briar]

48 as 36

Truly the best

[alpine onyx]

rounding errors

[spiral cedar]

Very aggressive rounding errors

[spring briar]

“Incel rounding”

[alpine onyx]

Inshell rounding

[spring briar]

But in reverse

[spiral cedar]

Intel grounding

[spiral cedar]

Well, maybe 460mm sounds too painful

[eternal veldt]

To be fair, the 40cm Type 94 was a cover up

[spiral cedar]

At least these shells will go down on you

[eternal veldt]

The Brits also referred the 15"/42 as a super 13" early onwards, need to check

[spring briar]

Super 13”

Or 13.5”

[eternal veldt]

13.5

I hate the British 1.5" system

Reee

[spiral cedar]

12, 13.5, 14, 15, 16, 16.5, 18

[lime belfry]

Laugh in "using pounder to depict gun"

[spiral cedar]

Or, chronologically,

12
   13.5
      15
            18
        16
    14```

sad Fisher noises

[spring briar]

13.4 -> 12 -> 13.4 -> 12 -> 13 -> 14.96

[eternal veldt]

16.5 banished to the shadow realm

[spiral cedar]

Good

[spring briar]

787 mps mv

[eternal veldt]

16.5 bad? Haven't really seen details on it.

[lime belfry]

@eternal veldt huh, I guess you need to go to Maryland to find the answer

[eternal veldt]

Dont think even built.

[spring briar]

16.5 just isnt that innovative in any way

[spiral cedar]

Classic Indianhead moment

[spring briar]

Which is sad

[lime belfry]

classic US military storing moment

everything shipped to a place then disappeared

[eternal veldt]

could be worse

[lime belfry]

never heard again

[spiral cedar]

Storing equipment or terrorism suspects?

[eternal veldt]

"oh no, our documents are damaged by a leaking rooftop, what do"

"Toss it out or something, idk" - British archives

Okay, I was wrong, not super 13.5

"14" experimental gun"

[lime belfry]

Virgin: Noooo I must destroy these documents and kill myself so these valuable intelligence don't fall into enemy hand

[eternal veldt]

Not that much better

[spiral cedar]

TFW the US Navy re-classifies info about a long-obsolete 1920s fuze…in 2010

This document was removed from the web site in Mar 2010 at the request of the USN, NAVSEA Washington, DC for classification review. If you are an EOD technician and need ordnance data, the US military Joint Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technical Support Center, [e-mail] supports EOD operations worldwide 24/7.

[lime belfry]

vs Chad: Let me just archive everything and show it 70 years later to flex

[eternal veldt]

Broke: Commit sudoku

Woke: Tie yourself to the ship, have Neptune literally reject your suicide, then become the president of your ship's club post-war

Good job Taihou

[eternal veldt]

You know what's odd? The Task force 77 and 38 operation reports strangely disappeared from Bosamar.com a few years back.

Nobody ever reported why, either.

[spiral cedar]

One of the guys on the bridge of…either Fusou or Yamashiro, was standing on the bridge as it capsized with other officers so as to go down with the ship, but got pushed out by the water force and ended up surviving

[maiden citrus]

[lime belfry]

or maybe they just changed their mind half way and decided to live

who knows

for all we care all the guys that were with him died

so his story had no witness

[spiral cedar]

Indeed

[maiden citrus]

He destroyed three enterprises during the sinking

Barehanded

[eternal veldt]

Can't even redo my Hatsuzuki post anymore now that the action reports are gone

[lime belfry]

hatsuzuki easily the cutest among her class

favorite art design

[eternal veldt]

She isn't in game yet, unless you are referring to her canned coal version

which was, indeed, what provoked me into writing about her in the first place

[spiral cedar]

Isn’t she?

[eternal veldt]

We have Harutsuki and Suzutsuki, but not Hatsuzuki

[lime belfry]

it her canned coal version

[spiral cedar]

That’s right

[lime belfry]

in AL, the cutest of the class is Hanazuki

clearly just way out of the league compared to the rest of her sisters

[eternal veldt]

tfw it took this much ammo to kill her off:

WICHITA: 300
NEW ORLEANS: 360
SANTA FE: 1233
MOBILE: 660

[lime belfry]

now that fairly interesting

I dont know the Japanese had their own Oerlikon

the budget one anyway

looks to be fairly similiar in term of stats to US version

which kinda means that despite being in a literal destroyed aircrafts, these things still work

impressive

[spring briar]

[lime belfry]

@eternal veldt I think this is fairly good documents regarding Japanese AA in 1945

not sure if u want to see it but it very detailed and not just stats slap on a pic

I am still searching if they actually include the Type 98 8cm but even if it doesnt have it, it still a good doc

this gun wasnt even in any wiki article

[eternal veldt]

What is mostly missing for the 8cm are closeup photos. specs, I think they are available.

[lime belfry]

probably

[spring briar]

305 mm model 1867

[delicate beacon]

GK-2

[delicate beacon]

I love how 12cm is 4" and 4,7"

[spring briar]

[lime belfry]

it just how imperial measurement works

I think I have found it

thank god

@eternal veldt

that all to it

[spiral cedar]

Haguro took a hit from a 500 lb GP bomb (likely from a Fanshaw Bay TBM) to her No. 2 turret that completely obliterated it and caused a fire in the barbette that forced its powder magazine to be flooded to avoid an explosion. Given the non-armor-piercing nature of the bomb, one might wonder whether the turret would have survived—or, at least, not led to a magazine fire that hurt the ship’s buoyancy and trim—had it had a more typical 2-2.75” of roof armor instead of the 1” she had

[eternal veldt]

That's...weird.

Bore is 76.2mm, IIRC.

[lime belfry]

well the Japanese called it 8 cm no ?

[eternal veldt]

rounded, as said.

[lime belfry]

and since by the time of this report, dated 1945

they have 0 pic, only captured document

so that should be the official stats

seems to be very consitent with Navwep

this report was done by the US Marine

same rate of fire and all

Ammnuition differs wildly tho

the doc I found stated the shell weight like 14.4 lbs

that is way heavier from what Navwep stated

muzzle velocity is also different

[spring briar]

Practice round perhaps

Navweaps doesnt usually include those

[lime belfry]

should we trust the Marine report or the Navy report ?

I feel like since it was captured documents

it should have more weight

[alpine onyx]

If my memory of the cruiser bible is correct, they considered 100mm roofs (alongside the 150mm faces and 70mm sides) for the turrets before cutting them due to weight

So yes, likely no turret fire

[spiral cedar]

Yamato took near-miss bombs from B-24s causing significant fragments that killed topside crews, penetrated the forward 15.5cm turret gun shield 14 times(!), and penetrated the aft 15.5cm turret gun shield 3 times.
<insert complaint about thin turret armor here>

[lime belfry]

anyway, I trusted that the 8 cm type 98 mentioned in the screenshot above is the same as the 76.2mm gun in question

[spring briar]

It is

[lime belfry]

probably the US assumed based on document, it was called 8cm and because no gun was captured (yet), they assumed the same

[spring briar]

Barrel length checks out

With the 76mm number

Its not a very detailed report anyways

[lime belfry]

Yeah cus they havent found one yet

[spring briar]

Maybe bulletpicker has smth on it

[lime belfry]

the 127mm mounted on Yamato was extremely detailed

[eternal veldt]

Because they're the Type 89s, basically the IJN equivalent of the 5"/38

[lime belfry]

gonna post the screenshot of that

and compare with navwep to see if everything is the same

Intel can vary from branch to branch and year to year

[spring briar]

🥄

[lime belfry]

not much on this one

[spring briar]

Poor 5”/25

[lime belfry]

5''/25 getting the L

the US intelligence guy really has a sick sense of humor by having a pic of 2 Japanese guys getting chopped in half by something next to their destroyed type 89 as a reference picture

like there probably a hundred of pictures out there as ref but they picked that

[spring briar]

I mean it is a pretty old gun

[lime belfry]

yeah I know, just kinda surprised they compared the Type 89 more to 5''25

[spring briar]

They having a giggle

[ivory ridge]

[chilly osprey]

has two pings
can only find one

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

[frigid karma]

Some other guy pinged you to show me your discord handle and deleted his message

[subtle prawn]

I never deleted my message

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylLYUi0PIwM

[lapis wraith]

In order to keep their troops morale high in the Pacific, the US military decided to make ice cream ship that litterally give fresh ice cream to soldier in the Pacific, you would eat an dessert in the jungle nice

[desert agate]

Australian servicemen often traded their alcohol (which was banned in the USN) for ice cream

the brits figured it out too when they showed up

[frigid karma]

yeah, it was basically a student exchange program

brits and americans would swap places on some carriers

[desert agate]

RAAF pilots would fly into American seaplane tenders with booze and leave with american sweets and cigarettes

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1615068877284847616

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1991, Operation Desert Shield became Operation Desert Storm as Saddam Hussein failed to meet the UN deadline for withdrawing Iraqi forces from Kuwait. The coalition launched a massive air campaign, prompting Hussein to declare that "the mother of all battles has begun."

Twitter · Jan 16, 2023, 7:30 PM

[manic latch]

Still my favorite tho

[shut wren]

Funni

[maiden citrus]

that was me trying to make soyuz real for you

[subtle prawn]

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/cancelling-the-type-32-frigate-would-be-national-self-harm/

[frigid karma]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/545844166433701888/992114657617776650/Shimakaze-Dies-2.gif

[cinder escarp]

Well, they weren't really classified, just ITAR restricted

[frigid karma]

So we have leclerc, challenger, type99, and now f-16

Am I forgetting something

Euro copter?

[cinder escarp]

And having seen/saved pretty much all the leaks, the CR2 and DTC-10-125 (ZTZ99 ammo) leaks are the most damning.

[frigid karma]

Yeah

I mean why do these players even bother citing these things anyways, has the snail ever made changes based on actual irl evidence the forums present

[cinder escarp]

Even funnier: it's AIM-120C documentation

120C

[fossil monolith]

What’s all your opinion on the F 16 leaks

[shut wren]

War thunder mfs will do anything to Prove their point about military accurcies

[fossil monolith]

I don’t get why people leak it It’s already the best at toptier f14 and f16 combo I’ll get you an instant win

[shut wren]

They leak everything

[fossil monolith]

Well not everything most of the stuff that people leak are like modern stuff because top-tier is broken It’s not fun to play at all

[eternal veldt]

It doesnt matter if it is classified documents

The company explicitly stated that any non-public, classified material will not be reviewed

So the fact that the crayon eaters are still leaking it, shows they are immensely dumb

And actual security threats to their respective nations

[fossil monolith]

I mean America not to harp on it they have a lot more bigger issues than some missile getting leaked online and a whole fighter jet too

[shrewd pecan]

man the F-14 isn't gonna be unseated from top dog in top tier until everyone has active radar homing missiles to fling

[fossil monolith]

Another thing I can completely see the f16 getting faced out within 25 years

[kindred reef]

what was the name of the second Kronshtadt class going to be?

[eternal veldt]

Sevastopol

[shrewd pecan]

its a handful of manuals

its shit likely actual intelligence services already have their hands on

🤨 like the AIM-120C has been around since 1996

[fossil monolith]

I mean we’re on the cusp of six generation jets gen fors can only go so far the phantom was just retired three years ago with the kai model

[shrewd pecan]

we're already near the end of the gen 4s operational span

F-35s already in full service

and the USAF already has a flying sixth gen prototype

https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2020/09/15/the-us-air-force-has-built-and-flown-a-mysterious-full-scale-prototype-of-its-future-fighter-jet/

[fossil monolith]

The six generation bomber fighters are just around the corner I bet there’s one locked up in a hanger somewhere in america

[shrewd pecan]

the USAF's sixth gen more than anything is gonna be fighter meets AWACs

its going to be a fundamental shift in what we call a fighter

[shut wren]

They Always have something more advanced

Its a rule of all militaries

What you see is never the Best

[tight violet]

cage armour of all kinds only exist because of the rpg-7 warhead's design flaw doesn't it

[cinder escarp]

It doesn't particularly give away anything important

Not like the uh, CR2 or DTC-10 leaks

[thorn trail]

idk where my friend found this but this is cursed

[eternal veldt]

It also doesnt work.

You fire the main guns and those two flight decks are history.

Hybrid is a great concept on paper, very shit in practicality and execution.

[thorn trail]

Wait what's the historical basis for the Champy Gun

the 406mm mle

[eternal veldt]

Its a gun built by Schneider and exported to the Soviets.

That's all the information we have on the guns. No information on whether they'd be used on Alsace No. 2.

Champy is just a shitty Gascan turret swap with a pair of 100mms added on anyway.

[thorn trail]

so it was the gun for the Soyuz class BBs?

[eternal veldt]

No.

[frigid karma]

No, Soyuz didn’t use those guns

They have their own guns

This is just a one off thing

[eternal veldt]

The Soviets basically asked for a lot of foreign help.

Even the Germans supplied a triple 406 turret drawing to the Soviets.

[thorn trail]

Huh

what turret was this

[eternal veldt]

Philbin, Tobias R. "The Naval Dimension of the Hitler-Stalin Pact." The Lure of Neptune: German-Soviet Naval Collaboration and Ambitions, 1919-1941. Columbia, SC: U of South Carolina, 1994. N. pag. Web. 14 July 2016.

[thorn trail]

what BB and carrier is that

[eternal veldt]

Langley and Arizona.

[somber knoll]

ik it's just a Sushi diorama but damn the sculptor did a rather very fine job.

[spring briar]

Nice

[kindred reef]

ok so i just saw this meme and is this real? no way this can be real right?

i know the americans did stuff like this on their fighters

and even some of their light bombers

[crimson flume]

why wouldnt it be real

[kindred reef]

because when i think of the germans in ww2, i do not think of them painting things like this on their planes

[crimson flume]

just searched up "goofy fw190 nose art" and got this

[kindred reef]

what?

[kindred reef]

oh

[desert agate]

https://www.contactairlandandsea.com/2023/01/16/hmas-vampire-to-sail-again-on-wednesday/

[eternal veldt]

Greyantifoulinggreyantifoulinggreyan-

[desert agate]

RAN might not have used the grey in the 60s and 70s when she retired

[eternal veldt]

I think Ive seen one of Vampire's underside photos while she's in drydock.

Odd. Can't find it anymore, and the other ones point to pale pink. I guess I'm mistaken.

yeap, no longer grey.

[eternal veldt]

okay, so at least I'm not insane, but yes, as you said hit. Likely not used post-retirement.

[delicate beacon]

Every time a Japanese force gets mentioned in my book I wonder what warcrime they'll be doing today

Arashio kept firing after the Jan van Amstel was sunk and left the remaining survivors to their fate.

No depth charges this time, fortunately.

[eternal veldt]

could be worse, executing people in the water.

Who dropped depth charges?

[delicate beacon]

Firing at an upside down ship might as well be executing people in the water.

Fortunately she seems to have gotten bored

Another Japanese Destroyer managed to pick survivors.
Though that may not have been a fortunate fate either.

[eternal veldt]

Also, giga crappy image, but Spanish cruiser Baleares sinking.

[eternal veldt]

Watch as you survive the torment, only to die later because McCunter needed his glory cough

[spring briar]

Terrifying

[manic latch]

Tashkent was praised for a storm corridor, crew could move along the ship without being exposed to weather.
Closed bridge was found comfortable at high speeds or in storm, but during the war it prevented proper observation of attacking aircraft.

Tashkent is comfy

[rapid junco]

USS Arizona, São Paulo and USS North Dakota at NY Yard, 1920

[maiden citrus]

[frigid karma]

just realized vampire 2 might honestly be a prime candidate for a brit UR

purple to UR
museum ship
it's practically a ship from launch (2nd event i think)
not overly exceptional service career
no one really expects

[ivory ridge]

Hit is gonna kill you

[frigid karma]

nothing new

and since commonwealth factions are likely never getting in, this is probably the best he's gonna get

[tough quail]

oh no

[maiden citrus]

Don’t steal the man’s hope

[tough quail]

there has to be one of us left with hopes and dreams

[frigid karma]

is it really stealing his hope if i don't have any hope either afterwards

Tea has hopes and dreams, he has his annual furry convention in september to look forward to

[tough quail]

well no that fits perfectly in line

essex yorktown gets turned into a regular yorktown, vampire gets turned from australian to british

[frigid karma]

It’s not like she exactly speaks in an Aussie accent ingame rn anyways

Also quacken you know damn well they don’t give a shit about launch date if they feel like it

silkworms

Counterpoint

The welsh bitch

Yeah yeah, i know

They also thought the annexation of Czechoslovakia is its own thing

And the Rhineland

Just you wait

[delicate beacon]

Rather interesting that Bosscher has to specify a case the Zeroes did not shoot at survivors.

[junior trench]

"see, it didn't happen... this time."

[delicate beacon]

To be honest, it might have happened because they ran out of fuel and munitions.

[lime belfry]

Chicago II, from CL to CA

she blonde, has big assets in default art

her 2.0 version gonna be no doubt hot

[junior trench]

?

Chicago CA-29 was a Northampton class heavy cruiser

[lime belfry]

oops

mistype

but whatever

only the US has II ships anyway

since they are the only faction that lost ship then immediately replace it with a better one of the same name 1 year later

meanwhile, other factions just cope and seethe or never run out of idea to name a ship

well except for Hammand, she got degraded from a DD to a escort DD, which is worse I guess

[tough quail]

except they tried making one of her sisters a II

and the art degraded like crazy

if Chicago gets the same treatment she'll be very mid

[desert agate]

vampy had a fine career, wouldnt be british and isnt even a candidate to be added to AL let alone UR

[lime belfry]

art looks pretty decent, choco balti is good

[desert agate]

northampton 2 looks like a crappy ai generation

which is unfortunate because im a sucker for cocco girls

[frigid karma]

Honestly she looks fine beside the skin tone

[tough quail]

she looks so much like one I honestly think she might be

[frigid karma]

It’s a tad too light

And that looks weird

Would also appreciate us seeing her other eye

[tough quail]

artist is either touching up AI shit and/or has atrociously mediocre shading skills and does not understand color theory at all

it's awful

[desert agate]

the design is just overly... smooth i guess

theres no detail

its just jarringly out of place

[frigid karma]

Who’s her artist anyways

[tough quail]

skynet

[frigid karma]

Posting this here for convenience, and are quite detailed but the rest is kind of overly smooth yeah

Especially the face

[lime belfry]

it still looks relatively well designed imo

maybe we are just too used to seeing flashy, shaded art from other AL ships

Northampton II looks a bit bland by comparision

but still, her art is wayyyy better than her original

[frigid karma]

Horse prefers the og

[lime belfry]

alot of early AL ships art dont stand to "modern" standard now

[frigid karma]

But yeah I agree, the og version looks dated

[lime belfry]

Houston also looks super dated and they better buff some "Stats" for her Clevebro version

preferably Biloxi kind of Clevebro

because out of all the sisters Biloxi looks the most mature and least boy ish

[ivory ridge]

counterpoint

stop releasing IIs

[lime belfry]

why not ?

[ivory ridge]

plus0

because it's a garbage implementation

plus

inter hull class IIs

are extremely unlikely

[lime belfry]

but why it garbage

u need to specify

[ivory ridge]

you realize skins still have rigging?

[lime belfry]

what do we lose if we have II ?

[ivory ridge]

it reduces the history of the second ship to an afterthought

it's just hurr durr im the same ship but stronger

[ivory ridge]

actual new characters

[lime belfry]

but then the new ships have skills that arent from the original

[ivory ridge]

so could new fucking ships

[lime belfry]

Hornet II doesnt have Doodlittle raid

something Hornet I has

[ivory ridge]

how is that relevant

[lime belfry]

which means Hornet II is still unique, she doesnt inherit everything from I

[ivory ridge]

She is the SAME FUCKING CHARACTER

that's the problem

[lime belfry]

it doesnt just "Oh let just copy paste art, skills but make it better"

and turn it into glorified retro

[ivory ridge]

it's still

worse

than making a new fucking character

[lime belfry]

so let's say there are 2 seperate Yorktown that look different

we have to assume the first Yorktown died

[ivory ridge]

We dont have to do shit

that's not how the game works

[lime belfry]

how do u want the game to work plot wise ?

we have like 10+ timelines where some died, some lived

what do u want ?

[spiral cedar]

Can't wait until Amagi II makes everyone very confused

[frigid karma]

Jaba

I have news to tell you

[ivory ridge]

I want new characters

[frigid karma]

Um

[ivory ridge]

lore has nothing to do with what i want

[lime belfry]

so that a you problem then

[frigid karma]

Shitcan basically asked aoste if amagi 2 was possible

[lime belfry]

I am perfectly fine with Yorktown II

[frigid karma]

Aoste told him this shit can’t revive dead people

[lime belfry]

She shares same skins with I

[frigid karma]

I like yt

So I like her as a ur

I get the complaints tho

[lime belfry]

honestly it a good way to remaster old ship art imo

[ivory ridge]

also again

[lime belfry]

or made them relevant in plot

[ivory ridge]

everyone coping about Houston or Helena

they wont do

inter-hull

IIs

[lime belfry]

why cant I have Houston II or Chicago II, I like the design

[ivory ridge]

because the 2 ships

are different

hull classes

[desert agate]

if you want to remaster old art and make them relevant again then just do it dont take away from ships that deserve better

[lime belfry]

unironically people just want to farb to something new

that the biggest problem with II system right ?

to say it bluntly

[ivory ridge]

no

what the fuck does that even mean

[lime belfry]

u just want new characters

new art

that about it

[humble mulch]

[desert agate]

mate if i played this game just to wank to it i wouldnt play the game

[humble mulch]

Go fight in general

Not here please

[lime belfry]

ship history ? bruh like imagine AL cares about ship history except for a couple dialogue and skill set ref

[desert agate]

sorry tea

[frigid karma]

Dd, DE

[ivory ridge]

they are both DD ingame

[frigid karma]

This is gonna age as well as your no 1937 rule mate

[ivory ridge]

And you're not gonna age if you dont stop being a cunt

[lime belfry]

u really making age as an argument now ?

u know what ? fine

[frigid karma]

What no I didn’t

[lime belfry]

let talk about hull class design

[frigid karma]

I was just pointing out a lot of undie’s rules

Aren’t

[lime belfry]

how do u gonna design Escort DD

so they are viable in game ?

[ivory ridge]

If you dont care about history then shut the fuck up about this whole argument

[lime belfry]

and not just weaker DD ?

[frigid karma]

I mean we have DEs in game

[lime belfry]

tell me ?

[frigid karma]

They’re just listed as DDs

[humble mulch]

That’s not #history

[ivory ridge]

we have 2 DEs ingame

[humble mulch]

All of you cease now please

Go argue over shit elsewhere

This literally isn’t the channel or place for this type of bullshit

[lime belfry]

ok I am just gonna go back to history

and post AA stuff now

dm me for continue argument

before both got banned

[tough quail]

raa raa raa raa

[spring briar]

people when they say "I don't care about history and don't play AL for the history" but then their game deletes itself because AL without history is nonexistent

[tough quail]

i want my big titty shipgirls to also tickle my nationalism boner

it makes the horny stronger

[lime belfry]

I feel like there is a threshold between "We make ref to history" vs "Yeah let do 80% historical accurate"

[frigid karma]

But what about the little titty ships

[lime belfry]

obviously I like AL because they care about minor factors like gears

when stuff irl are OP and also OP in game

but then they also made stuff that irl kinda failed miserably and made it OP in game

[frigid karma]

At this point I just play AL for the memery

The actual sailboat is a CIWS?

Fuck it sure

[lime belfry]

and then this whole weird circle of "Why is the same ship is either Elite or SSR or UR"

[frigid karma]

We have a random ass missile dd fighting with ww2 ships? Why not

[lime belfry]

Like why is Royal Fortune has as many FP as a WW2 CL

[frigid karma]

Yeah that’s just this channel trying to theirycraft stuff for a company which

Clearly

Doesn’t follow its own rules often

[lime belfry]

Cleveland class the most consistent class in the game

every ship wears same ish uniform

[tough quail]

it is always time for silkworms

[spring briar]

if only this game was 50% historically accurate

[lime belfry]

everyone has this sporty, tom gal

[spring briar]

[lime belfry]

and all of them are chill

[frigid karma]

Well until the subclass came along

But even they look quite similar

Cleve supremacy

[lime belfry]

yeah they look very similiar

no ship class has that consistency

essex used to, until Hornet and Yorktown

[frigid karma]

I mean Perseus does lmao

Her sister looks practically identical

But it’s a sample size of n equals 2

[desert agate]

KGVs are all reasonably similar

[lime belfry]

yeah if this game is 50% historical accurate half of the German faction dont exist

[humble mulch]

It doesn’t

[lime belfry]

I think Takao is too consistent of a class

but then it was made by the same artist

so it an unfair comparision

[frigid karma]

Jaba with the actual history

[humble mulch]

But again this is #history, please talk about actual history instead of like bitching about game design or art that has zero connection to anything historical

[lime belfry]

I think some people claimed Hipper is flat as a ref to her actual design being very different from the rest ?

can anyone fact check that

not a Hipper class enthusiast

[alpine onyx]

Hipper maintained a rather flat bow compared to the rest of the class

Blücher and Eugen got both the Atlantic bow, much more curved

[lime belfry]

ahhh so it is true then

[alpine onyx]

Forst is Hipper, second is Eugen

Maybe a better angle on Hipper

[frigid karma]

Boob size in this game is mostly arbitrary though

[lime belfry]

either a coincidence of art choice or very well thought

[frigid karma]

While an interesting tidbit, likely a one off thing

[lime belfry]

cool to know the fact anyway

[tough quail]

it lines up at least

[lime belfry]

also, there is this thing that a Spanish dataminer found like weeks ago

this mysterious plane icon

it has not yet appeared in game

[tough quail]

thats a proper sprite

[lime belfry]

so the plane is not released

[tough quail]

probably for the raid

[desert agate]

RAAF PBY-5Am of number 43 squadron RAAF
The PBY-5Am was an Australian modification of the venerable PBY-5A
The modification was ordered in response to a joint allied desire to launch long-ranged aerial mining operations in the occupied Dutch East Indes, leading to the requisition of a number of PBY-5As having their weight drastically reduced in order to provide them their range
The modifications included the removal of all armour plating and the removal of the landing gear, effectively re-converting the aircraft back to PBY-3s, which also did not feature landing gear
The conversion process took approximately 2 months requiring the effective disassembly of the entire airframes to remove anything that could impede the massive range requirements of the aircraft
The removal of the armour plating was a contentious issue, as the operations were intended to be joint-Allied, but American pilots refused to fly into combat with the armour removed leading to the US acting primarily in a supplementary role, providing targets, intelligence and FOBs (in the form of flying boat tenders) for the squadrons

The RAAF planes were then painted completely black, giving them the nickname of Black Cats (the US also operated black cats squadrons but did not participate in aerial mining)

Throughout 1943-45 the RAAFs Black Cats would raid ports as far North as China, but primarily in the occupied East Indes where they would launch night time raids on almost every single port in the South Pacific AO, tying up considerable Japanese resources as they needed to dedicate multiple minesweepers to each of their ports in order to export the vital raw materials from the Indes to fuel the Japanese war, however close coordination with USN assets meant that the raids would often create traffic jams of ships waiting for the ports to be swept of mines allowing USN submarines operating primarily from Fremantle, to attack the waiting merchants, significantly hampering the Japanese ability to export raw resources from the region

While the raids themselves did not directly sink a significant number of warships, the tying up of minesweeping resources and the USN submarines waiting outside recently mined ports would decimate the Japanese merchant fleet

[lime belfry]

it probably a Guardian ASW aircraft

[alpine onyx]

Could probably find half a dozen "reasons" for Hipper being flat compared to the rest

Since there were a number of differences between the three completed ships

[alpine onyx]

And even more if Seydlitz and Lützow get involved

[lime belfry]

has a very unique feature on the bottom

[spiral cedar]

Hipper got breast reduction surgery so she could actually be useful in a fight

[lime belfry]

so I think it must be the icon of a Guardian, which isnt in game

but could be anything really

[frigid karma]

I feel it’s interesting ad1 skyraider got the ur slot

[alpine onyx]

Hipper is tsun because she had the highest rated boiler pressure

[lime belfry]

since 2D "chibi" plane art is hit or miss

[alpine onyx]

[tough quail]

deutschland took hippers tits

[ivory ridge]

that's the first time i heard of that datamined plane and it feels sussy af

[tough quail]

that why she couldnt aim

[frigid karma]

When a lot of other usn planes of the same time period are SSR

[tough quail]

skyraiders outoerform everything the USN has ingame at its job

[lime belfry]

there are some planes that have sprite but arent actually in game as a variant

[frigid karma]

Seems like ad1 should’ve also been SSR

Tbh

[tough quail]

you are way underestimating how ridiculous skyraiders were

[frigid karma]

Like doesn’t skypirate hold 4 torps

[spring briar]

[lime belfry]

for example, do you know that Indomitable has a Sea Hornet rocket variant ?

I actually foudn that out accidentally

[ivory ridge]

i mean she has a skill

[lime belfry]

yep

and that Sea Hornet firing rockets

[desert agate]

its radar

[lime belfry]

I believe it possible they might release a variant of sea hornet with rocket later

because the Hellcat with rockets are already in the game long time ago

[frigid karma]

That feeling when manjuu made rockets better than bombers

[lime belfry]

it belongs to a barrage of Tincoderoga

u can check it yourself

[frigid karma]

Rocket dps in this game is so good that my yt2 runs two hvars .

[lime belfry]

so it "released" with tincoderoga but not farmable until recently

[spiral cedar]

If bulges are radar then most shipgirls should have bulges, at least after refit

[frigid karma]

Despite usn being the dive bomber faction

[lime belfry]

I think Volga also has an unique plane sprite

not yet released

need to screenshot it again

[chilly osprey]

Tin Cod Eroga sounds like a threat

[lime belfry]

but there are hidden unreleased aircrafts in barrage

like Illustrious with aug has a Spitfire rocket barrage

[tough quail]

yes

[desert agate]

TBF with radar bulge

[tough quail]

but a skyraider can too irl iirc

[lime belfry]

disappointed Skyraider doesnt drop Napalm in the game

[tough quail]

its just a skypirate is a dedicated TB which nobody wanted post war

[lime belfry]

literally what made it famous

[tough quail]

skypirates are more flexible

[frigid karma]

Sky raiders?

You mean?

[tough quail]

err

skyraiders yes

this is getting confusing lmao

[frigid karma]

Yeah, i realize pirate was a meme full on torp bomber

But, in the context of AL

Where it’s still very much ww2 shit

[lime belfry]

I need to screenshot Volga barrage again

unique aircraft in it

[frigid karma]

You’d think pirate deserves the ur slot more than raider

I’m cutting out the sky part for convenience

[frigid karma]

Isn’t Volga barrage just some crystals?

[lime belfry]

no the first aerial barrage

[frigid karma]

I dont think there’s planes

[tough quail]

raiders are pretty much the same thing but better, and put into full production as opposed to 2 prototypes, so makes sense to me

[frigid karma]

Ah, idk that one

[tough quail]

plus lets be real

pirates were put in as el cheapo wyverns

[lime belfry]

Meteoric hope or something

[frigid karma]

Basically yep

[lime belfry]

give me a sec I will screenshot it

[tough quail]

so it just took a backseat to full production aircraft

[frigid karma]

Fair enough

[tough quail]

it would still be UR worthy tho if not released at the same time as either of those though

i agree with that

[lime belfry]

the real question is why isnt there more "Ace" variant

[tough quail]

good plane i enjoy

[lime belfry]

like we have some Ace variant back then but now ? nah

[tough quail]

however

what we REALLY need

is this bullshit

[lime belfry]

why my Stuka "Ace" Rudel variant that just do extra dmg toward BB or something

[tough quail]

germoney can have ace planes when they made anything actually launchable from a carrier

[lime belfry]

HMS faction secretly waiting for Meteor to be in the game

[frigid karma]

I feel like

If we got the flapjack

[spiral cedar]

Lifeboats

[frigid karma]

We can get basically anything that flies off a Cv

[spring briar]

Does anyone remember this gun

[frigid karma]

Like the gz was ever gonna leave port

[chilly osprey]

Is that the one where the Americans hot-glued four 20mm Oerlikons together?

[spring briar]

Quad 20mm oerlikon mk.15

yes

they just threw four oerlikons into a bucket

and cut a slit in it

[lime belfry]

why is Sextupple Bofor the rainbow AA tho ?

[chilly osprey]

Evidentially none of them had ever seen the German quadruple mounts yet

[lime belfry]

like u can argue it still the best AA in the game rn

[spring briar]

it isn't

[lime belfry]

insnt sorry

mistype

[frigid karma]

Only ur AA is postwar French 57

[spring briar]

because it isn't post WW2 ig

the 57 is slightly post war

[lime belfry]

slapping 6 Bofor barrel is truly genius

[tough quail]

its also a handout to keep france from nuking shanghai

[spring briar]

horse we were actually trying to peacefully leave

[frigid karma]

Read that as shangri la and was very confused

[spring briar]

until hai phong

haiyaaaaa

[tough quail]

thats the US naval base they "accidentally" hit to do a little trolling

[frigid karma]

Everyone crapping on all the new aa related ships and gear don’t realize that uh

W13 hard

Is coming

[lime belfry]

heavy fighters in AL are all OP

[spring briar]

These two should be UR AA
but only one is
sadness

[chilly osprey]

76/62 for Italy when?

[tough quail]

everyone crapping on all the new AA without realizing that 57s

are based

[spring briar]

if you look at the 57

you can see the influence of the 37 acad

[frigid karma]

Pr6 Edgar dr

[chilly osprey]

Oh fuck

[lime belfry]

in a game where we have all the AA and fighters know to man

[chilly osprey]

That's in this too?

Wargaming what the fuck

[spring briar]

no

haiya stop giving phoenix heart attacks

because

US accidentally sank lamotte piquet

[frigid karma]

Accidentally

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

They still believe that?

Damn we underpay the cia

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

don't you mean overpay?

[frigid karma]

Underpay implies they are exceeding their job expectations

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

Overpay implies they’re not

And anyways I don’t think the cia existed

Back then

[spring briar]

idc really

[frigid karma]

Which was why we allocated part of the budget to time machines

[spring briar]

cia is cringe

[lime belfry]

ok

[spring briar]

Anyways here you can see the design influence

[lime belfry]

that the unique unreleased plane volga has in her barrage

a silver soviet plane with red star on the wing

[tough quail]

carrier launched yer-2s when

[lime belfry]

that definitely isnt a VIT-2 or SU-2

[tough quail]

likely an su-2

[lime belfry]

SU-2 has different sprite

[spring briar]

oh

this

[lime belfry]

SU-2 sprite

[spring briar]

that's an SU-2

[lime belfry]

kinda cute actually

[spring briar]

SU-2R actually

SU-2 has a smaller protuding turret in the back

[lime belfry]

VIT-2

so the plane sprite is new and unreleased

as a gear

but introduced as a barrage

[tough quail]

hmm

[frigid karma]

You know

Bombers should have reverse aa

They do dps to enemy planes, but only after they pass them

[tough quail]

that would be rad

[spring briar]

I am getting Yak-11 vibes ngl

[tough quail]

i can kinda see it

[lime belfry]

but yeah, like I said, devs will add easter egg planes into game as barrage

[ivory ridge]

no, but PR ships all come from wows

[lime belfry]

and released it later

[ivory ridge]

but for now we dont have any supership

[lime belfry]

it happened to Tincoderoga

[ivory ridge]

and hopefully we never will

so we should be safe

[lime belfry]

so far, I find 1 new plane never seen before

and 2 planes with rockets

[spring briar]

I'll take a closer look at Joffre's barrage then

[lime belfry]

nah Joffre doesnt have anything new

she just launch purple french planes

[spring briar]

bruh

no love

[ivory ridge]

Inb4 soviet gear lab before an italian one

[spring briar]

hopefully not

[lime belfry]

I also checked the italian

no new plane

[tough quail]

they just get shoved into the same tab

basically the same thing

[spring briar]

france an italy getting shafted is normal

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma985-jeremy-2ndjerma-insane-gif-21020440

[lime belfry]

so we "may" see a new soviet TB, and 2 new variants of sea hornet and spitfire

which is nice, british rockets should be unique compared to HVAR and german one

[spring briar]

RP-3's

kekw

anti sub rockets

[tough quail]

give me ptabs even though they make literally no sense in naval warfare and would set phones on fire

[spring briar]

quack that's what I mean

[ivory ridge]

if we cope a lot about Naval planes we could get the naval G.55 or Re.2005

[spring briar]

RP-3's had like 5 different ones

AP

SAP

anti sub

uhhhh

carrot

[ivory ridge]

like if they keep adding shit that wasnt navalized anyway

[lime belfry]

maybe it a LA-5 ???

[spring briar]

found it

[lime belfry]

I mean it is in WOWS so who knows

[spring briar]

exactly 5

nice

memory still work

wait

nvm

they didn't include AP

[lime belfry]

Or this

dunno, probably have to wait until they announce it

[lime belfry]

perhaps next russian event

[tough quail]

i really want a stupid naval sturmovik

i want it i want it

[spring briar]

I really want
uh
like anything french or italian really
ngl

[tough quail]

if we can have fucking naval stukas breaking physics i can put el flying tonk on a boat

[spring briar]

Quacken please explain

[tough quail]

whats that weird heavy fighter france was fiddling with pre-war with like eight 20-30mm guns

put that in too

[lime belfry]

wait

[desert agate]

beaufighters

[lime belfry]

huh I think Aquilla has an unique italian plane

gotta zoom in

[spring briar]

this image is not real

[ivory ridge]

I wonder what's coming first between french and italian CV lines

probably french but they had a line more recently

then again they were right after the DDs

[tough quail]

either way my wallet flies out the window

[lime belfry]

yep

[spring briar]

who's getting a carrier first
Sparviero for Italy or Painlevé for France

[lime belfry]

Aquilla has some sort of hidden unreleased aircraft

[spring briar]

ah ok nvm

let me just µ

[lime belfry]

Re.2001 has no insignia on the wing

[spring briar]

france an italy getting shafted is normal

[ivory ridge]

dude

it's the other plane ingame

[lime belfry]

and so is the G50

No insignia visible

but Aquilla has one

[ivory ridge]

weird

[spring briar]

is it just me or did I see cleve typing here for a microsec

[ivory ridge]

the equippable g.50 has it in the art

[lime belfry]

hmm

interesting

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So I was playing bf1 the other day and I just realized

I think the battleship behemoth is shooting 343mm

Air burst

Rounds

[lime belfry]

maybe the same plane but with different role ?

[spring briar]

[lime belfry]

so there one with insignia and one without to tell the difference ?

[ivory ridge]

Tfw Aquila was the only Italian ship i didnt buy on release

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Like the explosion is very much above ground level

[spring briar]

I bought Béarn once it was established that she was a meme

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But Aquila is comparable with tier 10 carriers, Adorable_AF said so

And he’s the best Cv player

[spring briar]

and could be played as fighter bogue

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on sea

[ivory ridge]

i dont play carriers anyway

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Bearn isn’t really 201 bogue since she does a shit ton of damage too

[spring briar]

good

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You can build for fighters but you’d have more game impact with standard farming builds

[ivory ridge]

which barrage is that

cuz the only italian planes ingame and equippable are both fighters

while Aquila has a torp barrage as well

so it's likely that

[lime belfry]

Aquilla special 1st barrahe tjat spawns depend on the type of aircraft u use

if u use non preload, she will spawn the G50 with insignia

maybe they just happens to have 2 art of the same plane and cant decide which one

or forget to optimize or something