history

[shut wren]

at the end of the soviet union

so big rip

[manic latch]

Hell her sister was finished by China

[unborn canopy]

she became a tug boat escort

[shut wren]

we brought it off ukraine

we needed carriers

[shrewd pecan]

kuznetsov retrofit from hell

[manic latch]

Ukraine scrapped Ulyanovsk. Kinda unlucky for China

[unborn canopy]

its not going to well, its dry dock sunk

[shut wren]

yep

[manic latch]

You would get your first nuclear supercarrier

[shrewd pecan]

what were they going to do with a scrap hulk Kremlin

[shut wren]

thats our next one

[shut wren]

the hull was still very good when they were retrofitting it in 2000's

[manic latch]

Don't underestimate China. Everyone assumed Varyag would be used for other purposes

[shut wren]

We could have 4 carriers instead of 3

[shrewd pecan]

🤨 Varyag resembled her end product

[shut wren]

for a carrier Park

[shrewd pecan]

Ulyanovsk was only 40% complete

[manic latch]

Like Kiev ye

Kiev become museum Park thingy

[shrewd pecan]

and was rusting incomplete in Ukraine

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

she ain't making it to China

[shut wren]

Mf boutta break and sink half way

[shrewd pecan]

she was never even launched

[manic latch]

Engineers were planning to save her

[shut wren]

Hoping next Chinese carrier named Guangdong

[manic latch]

Sadly was too late

[shrewd pecan]

the hell are they gonna do in a newly formed bankrupted Ukraine

[shut wren]

We could have gotten some TU-160s

[manic latch]

That's the trick. Launch the hull then tug it to Russia's borders

[shrewd pecan]

with a ship building industry separated from the rest of the Soviet Unions ship building industry

[shut wren]

The soviet unions industry was like lego bricks

one part needed all others

[manic latch]

Especially when Ukraine build all carriers of Union

[shrewd pecan]

Russia was only able to become dominant in the military shipbuilding industry again after it re established its relations with Ukrainian shipbuilding companies

and then it lost said contacts and proceeded to crash

[manic latch]

Naval engines especially ye

[shut wren]

Ukraine had most of the soviets heavy factories

[manic latch]

Leningrad should have got more attention

[shut wren]

Kirov plant?

[manic latch]

Admiralty shipyards

[shut wren]

oh

[manic latch]

At least there is Sevmash

Who is carrying the submarine industry on her back

[shrewd pecan]

the many unfinished hulks of the Soviet Union will be finished at any cost

[shut wren]

i'm Guessing the next chinese carriers are gonna be build at Jiangnan Shipyard

[manic latch]

People say Kuz has refit hell

Truth is it was Nakhimov

Tho Nakhimov doesn't burn so people forget her usually

[shrewd pecan]

I mean just look at the production span of the Yasens

[shut wren]

Jiangnan Shipyard builds all the Big stuff of the Navy

[shrewd pecan]

first one took 20 years to build

[manic latch]

Initial estimates regarding the cost of the first Yasen-class submarine ranged from US$1 billion  to US$2 billion

Thing is fucking expensive

[shut wren]

hard to build and fund stuff if you're being sanctioned all the time and broke

[manic latch]

You buy a Gerald ford for 13 Yasens

[shut wren]

general ford launchers fail all the time

[manic latch]

It's a baby technology

[shrewd pecan]

why did it take me this long to realize

the newest SSNs of the Russian navy

are Akulas

[manic latch]

Ain't Yasen replacing them?

[shut wren]

takes a while

[shrewd pecan]

yeah but Yasen's classified as a SSGN

[shut wren]

Building,Outfitting and testing

China need new SSNs

[manic latch]

China does build subs

But they keep good secret

[shut wren]

yep

[manic latch]

Only satellites usually catching new subs

[shrewd pecan]

they still operate a bunch of their older subs

[shut wren]

the old shit

Type 093 shang

[shrewd pecan]

🤨 Type 091 is still in service

[manic latch]

I really trust China because of their budget

You can't fail with money

Much

[shrewd pecan]

as are the

mings

now like the Mings

[shut wren]

and the fact that all arms and big stuff producers are state owned

[shrewd pecan]

they're funny because they're basically modernized WW2 subs

but at the same time

they're mings

which are Romeos

[manic latch]

Cute and good

[shut wren]

I'm wishing they built more 055s

[shrewd pecan]

now like their modern crap

Type 039 is good

almost like the Germans sold them engines for them

[manic latch]

Likey the most expensive destroyer after Zumwalt

[shut wren]

At least ours is successful

[manic latch]

Oof

[shut wren]

The USN kept wanting to strap more shit on it

[shrewd pecan]

its more

the USN kept stripping it of capability

[manic latch]

You ain't gonna scrap your most expensive non carrier ship lad lol

[shrewd pecan]

due to tight time schedules

along with the ship being rather unconventional in nature

while Type 055 is you know

very much a development of previous ships

[manic latch]

Really big dumb moment of Navy tho ngl. They should have had 2 seperate destroyer projects

[shrewd pecan]

they did

Flight III Burke

[shut wren]

Never correct your enemies mistakes

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

the much more capable and successful ship

[manic latch]

Dunno flight III reminds me Iowa 1980 refit

Your milking the old hull much as possible

[shut wren]

"Its too expensive" -some asian guy

We gotta pump up J-15 and J-16D production numbers

[manic latch]

You guys dont really like J15

Will focus on J-35

[shut wren]

J-31

[manic latch]

Shut

Until naval one gets offical name

I will call it 35

[shut wren]

Very exited for J-20S with them drones

H-20 when

[shut wren]

"The Shenyang FC-31 Gyrfalcon also known as the J-31"

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

man by the time that things service ready the NGAD is already gonna have prototypes flying

[shut wren]

yea forgot to read that lol

[manic latch]

NGAD will either best sexiest thing ever or ugliest thing

Kinda afraid ngl

[shut wren]

Always,What you see is not the most advanced stuff

for both sides

[shrewd pecan]

its the worlds stealthiest plane meets the worlds best AWACs

its gonna likely be ugly as hell

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

that shit's gonna end up being the pill watch

[manic latch]

But

[ivory ridge]

which ngad

[manic latch]

F22 ended up good

[shrewd pecan]

usaf

[ivory ridge]

USAF vs USN moment

[manic latch]

As Fifth

[shut wren]

F-35 be like

[manic latch]

F35 is a midget

[shrewd pecan]

USNs one is far more conventional

[manic latch]

That ruins her

[shut wren]

But H-20 when

[shrewd pecan]

probably never

[manic latch]

Nah Pentagon talked about H-20

It's legit

[shut wren]

China has already stated that they want a stealth bomber

[shrewd pecan]

sorry

[shut wren]

many many times

[shrewd pecan]

you will get the 12th image of a photoshopped H-6

[manic latch]

[shut wren]

I have trust in who ever the hell is devloping it

[ivory ridge]

it's ironic how chinese officials on social networks always bash USN weapons while at the same time building or planning to build similar stuff

[shut wren]

Cuz its good

[ivory ridge]

hurr durr CVs floating target

build CVs

[frigid karma]

that's just standard double standard politics

everyone's been practicing that since uh

[shut wren]

forever ago

since when ever tf politics were a thing

[frigid karma]

one ape bonked another ape with a stick

[ivory ridge]

then again the chinese officials on twitter sound like shitpost

[frigid karma]

and has to tell his kid that bonking your own apes with stick is bad

but other apes is ok

the usual hypocrisy

there's even a term for this called wumao

[shut wren]

They are shit posts

[shut wren]

It means 50 cents

[frigid karma]

as in, 'paid 50 cents an hour to spread bullshit'

yea

[shut wren]

I do it for free

Wait im supposed to get paid?

[ivory ridge]

Chinese officials be like

[shut wren]

Totally not on our way to Debt trap africa

[shrewd pecan]

I mean the debt traps are less debt traps and more general incompetence

[ivory ridge]

Western presence in Africa: bad
Russian and chinese presence in africa: cool and good

[frigid karma]

and undie was never seen from again

:))

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/926228462904176707/1048914343179325531/live_bocchi_reaction_bocchi_the_rock_anime_of_the_decade_love_justice_war_hunger_greed_bocchi_the_blush_bocchi_the_rock.gif

[shut wren]

I got him in my basement

[manic latch]

But
Change the sides and this time it will apply to you

[frigid karma]

the fuck are you on now kremlin

[shut wren]

China lending money:bad

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wouldnt-get-it-joker-smoking-gif-15952801

[shut wren]

West lending money:Good

[frigid karma]

my brother in christ kremlin the man is italian

he opposes any involvement in africa

the last two times the italians went there

[manic latch]

[frigid karma]

they both got kicked out

[ivory ridge]

We bombed Lybia does that count

[manic latch]

Rome

[ivory ridge]

how do you spell that

Libya

ok

[shrewd pecan]

ah yes 2011 Libya

where the Euros wanted to get rid of Gaddafi

and then had to turn to the US to replenish their ordnance

[ivory ridge]

Sicily was literally a static aircraft carrier for the whole of NATO

[frigid karma]

just like the lighting war in mali by france

..supplied by us logistics

[shut wren]

US steals oil by the truck loads from Syria

[shrewd pecan]

no

that's the Turks

[shut wren]

US does it too

[shrewd pecan]

they don't

[frigid karma]

eh, do they?

[frigid karma]

you gotta remember that uh

the US produces the most oil in the world

[shrewd pecan]

the entire invasions for oil thing

[frigid karma]

"haha us oil invasion"

is stupid

[shrewd pecan]

doesn't really make sense beyond protecting Middle Eastern oil exporters

[frigid karma]

it's the american public's way of blaming the government for why they went to iraq

[shut wren]

China in Qing dynasty

[frigid karma]

because it's a dumbed down

[chilly osprey]

Libya was funny

[frigid karma]

simple thing to understand

[shrewd pecan]

Iraq's oil is literally mostly owned by the Chinese

[frigid karma]

The real reason is the US has a democracy boner and wants to spread it

and is bad at it in the ME

[chilly osprey]

British and French discovered that you actually need SEAD capabilities to knock over a Middle Eastern state

[shrewd pecan]

while Syria's is a cluster fuck between the Turks, rebel groups and the dictatorship

[chilly osprey]

And the only nations involved with SEAD capabilities were the US and Italy

[frigid karma]

"eh it'll be fine just land some indians there"

[shut wren]

Gives democracy by blowing shit up

[frigid karma]

"what do you mean india isn't a colony anymore"

"well send in the aussies, that's what churchill did"

"what do you mean they're not a colony anymore either"

[shut wren]

"i Just woke up from 90 year nap"

[shrewd pecan]

I love how the Brits and French spent all of that money developing SEAD capability in the coldwar

just to drop it

[chilly osprey]

Best meme was the point at which the US was scalling back strike operations to leave the Europeans to take the lead

[frigid karma]

look tato

we got some fights that inspired top gun

[chilly osprey]

And then the Europeans ran short

[frigid karma]

100% worth

[chilly osprey]

And in the middle of that

The British retired a whole Tornado wing

[shrewd pecan]

LOL

god euros

https://youtu.be/LhfMinlUAaI?t=612

I pull up the end war lines once more

[shut wren]

Imma go back on grinding some shit bye

[chilly osprey]

Wait

Sorry

[ivory ridge]

Of for the 100th anniversary of the AMI they arent just fixing a G.91

[chilly osprey]

It was two squadrons

[ivory ridge]

but also an F-104G

[frigid karma]

well, 1 actively participating

and 1 in reserve

astounding tactical awareness

[shrewd pecan]

that's just

funny

[ivory ridge]

RAF moment

[maiden citrus]

[frigid karma]

btw, what literature is this

[chilly osprey]

RAND publication on the air war in Libya

It's a pretty good read, covers the participation by all contributors

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539079440416768001/1061405193893318797/Fl3588eWYAAFRU5.png

[chilly osprey]

[frigid karma]

earth nation tank

[shrewd pecan]

emotional support rocks

[shut wren]

cope rocks

[tough quail]

the og sherman method

[eternal veldt]

Shermans are sandbags, tbf

But it did piss Patton off, which is good

[shrewd pecan]

man if your gonna make makeshift armor

[shut wren]

atleast make it good

[shrewd pecan]

at least ducktape ceramic floor tiles to your tank layered with metal sheets

[eternal veldt]

Broke: sandbags

Woke: Rip the UFP of a Panther off and weld it to your Pershing

[shut wren]

Soviet:infantry

[shrewd pecan]

👁️ rip the UFP plate off of a T-72 and strap it to your abrams

[shut wren]

New quest:Get UFP plate of T-72

[eternal veldt]

[shut wren]

[eternal veldt]

Whisky the Cat, HMS Duke of York's mascot, which slept through the naval engagement that resulted in the sinking of the German Battleship Scharnhorst in December 1943

IWM - Davies, F A (Lt) Photographer
©️ IWM A 21173

77 Broadsides, 450 14" shells fired, 755 5.25" shells fired

"Dont care, I sleep"

[maiden citrus]

didn't want to open its eyes and see such an ugly sister

[sullen canyon]

More like that cat was like, "Wake me when that damned ship has sunk."

[eternal veldt]

Scharnhorsts look good, tbh

[spiral cedar]

I just love how 77 broadsides on a 10-gun ship still translates to 450 shells

[eternal veldt]

But not chonk enough for your taste

[eternal veldt]

Gun jamming noises

[frigid karma]

even the ones on the internet with 350mm belts?

[eternal veldt]

Aesthetic is aesthetic

[maiden citrus]

having a 350mm belt would make it look even better

[eternal veldt]

Breyer and his copium belongs elsewhere

[frigid karma]

cats have a remarkable tendency to sleep through the craziest shit

interesting it would be that asleep at night though

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858825164313854012/1061493720618369135/20230107_225650.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858825164313854012/1061493720920367104/20230107_225640.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858825164313854012/1061493721805377576/20230107_225626.jpg

new chinese wheeled tank

105mm, allegedly autoloaded

so new it doesnt even have a name

Boxer vibes from those headlights

[junior trench]

you see, a new shell is automatically loaded without any input by the turret crew... because we put a feed tray in the hull fed by a human

/joke

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

China will grow larger

[ivory ridge]

bootleg boxer with bootleg cockerill 105 turret

[spiral cedar]

Results for this batch, across 4 servers:
King George V: 15 (44%)
North Carolina: 15 (44%)
South Dakota: 2 (6%)
Yamato: 1 (3%)
Richelieu: 1 (3%)
??? #1: 0 (0%)
??? #2: 0 (0%)

[ivory ridge]

im spamming it just to get the other

one is tirpitz

[spiral cedar]

[eternal veldt]

Where's Littorio

[ivory ridge]

im trying

[eternal veldt]

How could you Unde

Not get Littorio 1st try

[spiral cedar]

[manic latch]

Soyuz: My Ancestor :)

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-girls-und-panzer-gif-20333800

[eternal veldt]

[maiden citrus]

I'm the only person that got richie huh

[spiral cedar]

The only one who appreciates life and self-improvement

[maiden citrus]

[eternal veldt]

Stop interfering with my boring life

[spiral cedar]

Oh, someone else just got Richy

[maiden citrus]

I have a sibling

[manic latch]

[kindred reef]

how do you get richy?????

[maiden citrus]

answer truthfully to the personality quizz

[kindred reef]

oh i thought you meant you could get her in the game

[maiden citrus]

I mean you can just not right now

[kindred reef]

wehraboo in #al-general rn

talking about how "germans never retreat"

[spiral cedar]

Allyless behavior

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1048804977369432074/1057482052955549756/ezgif-5-a7fbeb6145.gif

[kindred reef]

i feel like this server un-wehraboos people occasionally

[frigid karma]

False

Littorio would definitely crucify admiral iachino or what’s his name

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/sunakook-cat-pooping-mad-kitten-gif-26396234

[frigid karma]

For basically throwing the BBs under the bus to cover his ass

Well, it was more like a gentle shove under a minivan

And then British historians ran her over with a cement mixer

[manic latch]

As Lenin said

Repeat a lie often enough

It will become truth

Or smh like that

[maiden citrus]

Nevada has the most skins in the game Nevada has the most skins in the game Nevada has the most skins in the game Nevada has the most skins in the game

[frigid karma]

Well, maybe if no one in the English speaking world wants to learn Italian to translate

[eternal veldt]

Nevada is SSR Nevada is SSR Nevada is SSR

[eternal veldt]

Bagnasco and De Toro is already working on it

Unfortunately, Bagnasco kicked the bucket last year

[maiden citrus]

rip

[frigid karma]

when did hornfischer pass?

2021

Damn, time passed swiftly

[eternal veldt]

https://www.amazon.com/Italian-Heavy-Cruisers-Trent-Bolzano/dp/1682478718

And the new guy clearly doesn't want to bother with Kindle

Pain, suffering even

[ivory ridge]

bruh they mispelled De Toro

[eternal veldt]

Mfw the only Anglo information on Italian DDs as a whole is from

Mark Stille

[ivory ridge]

then again

not the first time

[eternal veldt]

Unde

Scan the Italian CA book and share

[ivory ridge]

[frigid karma]

How long is it

[ivory ridge]

it's not even out

[frigid karma]

Both tier 8

[eternal veldt]

Rob the publisher

[ivory ridge]

plus im not buying it, i have the uh

magazines that are most likely used to make the book

like they did for the Cavour/Duilio book

actually maybe

i only have one of the 2

i forgor

[eternal veldt]

Go to sleep

[ivory ridge]

I have to go to ikea with my mother tomorrow to buy a new bookshelf for my books and mangas

[ivory ridge]

sorry im too busy watching NATOwave videos

[frigid karma]

So iowas in Italy have those Swedish names as well

*ikeas

Or is it just an American thing

[ivory ridge]

They do yeah

[frigid karma]

Huh

[eternal veldt]

So do we here

They keep the Swedish names, "style" and all that

Not very good quality though

[frigid karma]

My fondest memory of ikea was one guy just bolting down the escalator at the start to escape the one way hell

Staff were too scared to stop him

[valid trout]

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1612129147161137153

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1983, Los Angeles-class submarine USS City of Corpus Christi (SSN-705) was commissioned. The sub's name was initially just USS Corpus Christi but was changed after protesters objected to a warship with a name that translates from Latin as "USS Body of Christ". #SubSunday

Twitter · Jan 8, 2023, 4:48 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdPmpidUbWo

[manic latch]

Gaijin: We know you guys want R73 on Mig 29. But we will only add when it gets stronger opponent.

Gaijin logic: R-60M= Aim-9L

[kindred reef]

i hate the crew train costs at top tier they are insane

[subtle prawn]

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/agreement-between-pentagon-and-lockheed-for-398-f-35-jets/

[spring briar]

Shit

Transparency

[shrewd pecan]

man

the R-60M is a stupid missile

[manic latch]

and your 9L has stupid burn time and chaff resistance

[spring briar]

[shrewd pecan]

have you ever seen

[spring briar]

Guys…

[shrewd pecan]

how easy it is to flare the AIM-9L

🤨 like the shit will miss head ons for flares behind the aircraft its going after

[manic latch]

Shut up. You have those Magic 2s

[shrewd pecan]

magics are just AIM-9Xs half of the time I swear

[spring briar]

So what?

[manic latch]

Seeing what Gaijin implying

73 will come with 9m

[spring briar]

[shrewd pecan]

Russian players when they can't off bore aspect F-4s with AIM-9Js

idk I don't really think

we should be going beyond AIM-9Ls and R-60Ms until we get top BR decompression

since Tomcats and MIG-29s shouldn't be fighting F-5s

and I don't really think the F-4F and F-4E should be fighting against 16s or 29s either

[shut wren]

Waiting for J-10

[shrewd pecan]

see you in 2+ years

[shut wren]

Better start that Chinese tree grind

[shrewd pecan]

I mean for its F-16s its worth it

since the Taiwan side of the tree is gonna be far more attractive up until AESAs start showing up

and the J-10s are just gonna be mid as shit until the J-10C shows up

[shut wren]

J-11 when

[shrewd pecan]

when Russia gets its late Su-27s

so

2+ years

[shut wren]

I’m gonna use the Taiwanese side for low and mid tier and just use PRC

[shrewd pecan]

Taiwan side rn has the best F-16 that's only gonna get better

since its the one that gets AMRAAMs later on since its a MLU

then later there's the block 50 C

which is just gonna outclass everything beside the F-15C and later Su-27s

[shut wren]

We better be getting J-15 and 16s when the Su-27 comes out

[shrewd pecan]

No

those are

2010s+ jets

with AESA radars

that are a hell a lot more modern

than the early Su-27s

literally would outclass everything in the game until you get the AESA equipped F-16s and F-15s

[shut wren]

We need more new shit for the China tree

[shrewd pecan]

that doesn't include aircraft that are 40+ years newer than everything we currently have ingame

[shut wren]

Right

At least stop adding shitty J-7 variants

[shrewd pecan]

that's literally

all they have to add until the game gets to the point where they can add China's modern shit

[shut wren]

Suffering from success

But at least give H-6

Not the H-6k

[shrewd pecan]

we probably are never gonna get new strat bombers

[shut wren]

JH-7

[shrewd pecan]

too modern

tho would probably be addable soon

main issues are its air to air armament

[shut wren]

1988

We got stuff in 1988

[shrewd pecan]

that's the first flight

the things a 90s aircraft

with a AMRAAM equivalent as its main air to air armament

[shut wren]

More J-8s

[manic latch]

Say

Can AESA jamming can balance Amraams

[shrewd pecan]

the game needs actual EW added

since like all of the top tier aircraft should have that capability

and they don't have it ingame

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

main issue with AESA is uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

good luck ever breaking radar locks

[shut wren]

I need my J-8s

Also Z-20 cuz why not

[manic latch]

This made me laugh

There is something humorous about "Genius Idea to Build New World's largest warships"

[shrewd pecan]

The Japanese giant men

[chilly osprey]

I swear to god

If not for NIMBY's I wouldn't have to hear people running around screaming about 20,000 ton Japanese cruisers that they shink should be called Yamato and cram every capability under the sun onto them

[shrewd pecan]

It’s literally just gonna be another long hull Burke man

[shut wren]

Laughs in DF-17

send a few of those Anti ship missiles and its gone

[ivory ridge]

hurr durr anti ship missile

[shrewd pecan]

I don’t think

[frigid karma]

ballistic

lol

lmao

[shrewd pecan]

DF-17 would be suitable for that mission set

But okay

[ivory ridge]

literally a ship made for ballistic missile defense

[shut wren]

Good enough

[shrewd pecan]

as in

[shut wren]

Try DF-21D

[shrewd pecan]

it is not made for that mission set

[frigid karma]

god fucking damn it windows 11

can you not have a seizure when i type in chinese

jesus christ

[shrewd pecan]

On top of that it’s a ship being made for ballistic defense

[ivory ridge]

a missile that started development in the 60s and wasnt fielded until 1991?

[frigid karma]

literally the instant it doesn't recognize a pingyin configuration it shits its pants

[spiral cedar]

Are you talking about Windows 11 or DF-21

[frigid karma]

DF-21 wears a skirt and fishnet stockings

not pants

i should know, i have a cousin working it

[shrewd pecan]

DF-21D is a anti ship ballistic missile to be fair

[shut wren]

The 21Ds were made from the Older 21s

[ivory ridge]

again, a ballistic missile

thrown against a ship

literally made

against ballistic missiles

[shut wren]

21D was for anti ship

[shrewd pecan]

I don’t think it’s gonna fair well against a Burke sized ship

[subtle prawn]

They’ve already confirmed it’ll be more Maya-sized

[shrewd pecan]

yeah

[shut wren]

Shoot a few more

[ivory ridge]

hurr durr

[shrewd pecan]

or you can focus them towards the more valuable targets

[frigid karma]

also keep in mind that this is china

everything they say is usually a wee bit..overstated

[shrewd pecan]

I don’t really think chinas ballistic missiles really serve much more than being access denial

There more valuable against fixed static targets

[shut wren]

They look cool in parades

[shrewd pecan]

Than against actual ships

tho the US does have anti ship capability coming to the PRSM so it’s likely DF-21Ds anti ship capability is only getting better

[ivory ridge]

Countries with parades that constantly show missiles systems are always sus af

[frigid karma]

Additionally, even if the People's Liberation Army's (PLA) new ASBM has a smart warhead design, it will not be able to "see" its target during the reentry phase due to ionization blockage. Only once it slows down in the lower atmosphere can it start searching for its target, which is not too different from an air-breathing platform at this stage.

Therefore, a final speed of more than Mach 2 for the DF-21D's warhead is the maximum. This allows the ASBM enough time to acquire its target and avoid being intercepted.

this is from a taiwanese military analyst

[shrewd pecan]

area denial

[frigid karma]

political denial

[shrewd pecan]

It’s hard to say the actual capability of DF-21D since odds are it’s never gonna be used against anything

tho personally I believe more conventional anti ship missiles are likely much more effective

[shut wren]

Some taiwanese Military guy said "If we launch 3 missiles with a interception rate of 70%,we would have a 210% chance of taking the Enemy missile down" on some Military political show

I remember it was a high ranking officer

[frigid karma]

where?

[shut wren]

let me find it

[frigid karma]

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3996716

this is where i got it from

also he may have just been some dumbfuck pr guy they sent on

[ivory ridge]

clearly relevant argument here and totally not an indirect ad hominem to discredit what an entirely different person said

[frigid karma]

look at the end of the day we're arguing over all entirely classified military shit

DF-21D's could be all filled with sand for what we know

[cinder escarp]

Without getting into some wider details

[frigid karma]

and they probably fucking are

[maiden citrus]

at the end of the day you just got him to admit Taiwan exists

[cinder escarp]

Seeing through the ion cloud is not impossible

It's hard, but also a problem that has been solved for a long time.

[shut wren]

you can understand chinese right?

[spiral cedar]

Probe

[maiden citrus]

I don't like sand

[frigid karma]

yes?

[shut wren]

Il Dm you the video

link

[cinder escarp]

There's not just probes, you can reflect things off the back of the ion cloud, or as first used on the sprint system... simply use enough energy to burn through it.

[frigid karma]

what the fuck did you just send me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hn-L1mTmDs&ab_channel=磊哥聊政经

[maiden citrus]

[frigid karma]

bro i aint listening to some nationalist rant for 27 minutes

tell me where

[shrewd pecan]

that shit just looks like a shitpost

[frigid karma]

it is

ok so i clicked onto some random part

and it looks like he's trying to shittalk a 155mm artillery piece??

because americans and the communists had it in 1942?

does that mean everything 155 and below is obsolete now?

[maiden citrus]

return to 16''

[shrewd pecan]

Isn’t chinas main artillery caliber 155 MM

[chilly osprey]

Looking at the thumbnail, it's talking about a Pineapple trying to slow boil a frog, except there's another frog either running towards him to save him - or possible away from something else in terror.

Also a random needle to inject something into something.

[frigid karma]

he says, and i paraphrase, "taiwan fired 120 rounds of 155 as a show of military force, the americans had 155 since 1942, we had 155 artillery as well but it's in a museum"

[shut wren]

not that one

let me find it

[frigid karma]

my brother in christ there are so many things i want to say to you right now that would get me banned

[chilly osprey]

Anywho, tbh, the biggest problem with DF-21D is more the kill chain involved in actually creating the conditions where it can be fired at something (the same goes for DF-26).

[frigid karma]

precisely

[chilly osprey]

It's certainly an anti-shipping system, and a potent one should the stars align, but but it's not a magic 'I-win' button

[shut wren]

I know

1:25

[chilly osprey]

Which is why the PLAN is investing heavily in conventional systems, now that it is able to, do make it possible to hold the USN back beyond the first island chain

[frigid karma]

ok so it's one dumbfuck who cant do math slipping on tv

nice ad hominem against my discussion on

checks notes

chinese ballistic missiles

[shut wren]

my bad

[shrewd pecan]

I mean there’s plenty of slip ups you could bring up about either sides militaries

[chilly osprey]

Because in any scenario where they conduct an amphibious invasion of Taiwan, they need to be able to fight the USN in the Philippine Sea, east of Taiwan - for which they need CATOBAR fleet carriers and capable SSNs that they currently lack (not to mention a lot more high-end AAW and ASW escorts than they have currently).

[spiral cedar]

Clearly the real move is to use the DF-21s to sink merchant ships inbound to Japan

[chilly osprey]

That or they just shoot them at port infrastructure

[shut wren]

Normal missiles also work for the ports

[chilly osprey]

Because, tbh, it's a pretty solid bet that most of the various MRBM systems the PLARF have are going to be shot at targets in Taiwan, Okinawa, Sasebo, Yokosuka, Iwakuni, etc.

And then for IRBM's like the DF-26, you can reach out and touch Guam

[shut wren]

They have to think about Their choices though

If they only attack taiwan and the US and japan gets them off guards

They are fucked

[chilly osprey]

Oh, I mean, that's not even a question

[shut wren]

But If they launch a first strike against The US they are also fucked

[chilly osprey]

We know their planning assumes that the US and Japan will take part in the defense of the island

They'll open fire Taiwanese, Japanese, and American bases at the start of any conflict

The way they see it, they're going to have to do the air-sea version of Desert Storm around the island - and either they secure air and naval supremacy around the island after several months of fighting, enabling them to launch an actual invasion effort - or they fail, and the invasion is over before it's even started.

[shut wren]

The first attack is gonna be the last

[chilly osprey]

That is most certainly not how the PLA views it

[shut wren]

thats not what i meant

I meant as in they gotta do it quick and succede

[chilly osprey]

Not exactly.

It's more that they have to win the fight around the island, or they can't start the invasion in the first place. If you rush in and try and do it all at once, you will fail horribly.

[frigid karma]

geopolitical external pressure from the war and the ensuing economic fallout would almost certainly doom any attempt at war longer than 2-3 months, max, i'd say

[shut wren]

They have a 2-3 month window for the landings

[frigid karma]

especially with the recent...expressions of disatisfaction from its citizens

china's legitimacy is entirely balanced on its economic prosperity

all eggs in one basket, if you will

[eternal veldt]

Why in the name of fuck is 正妹 in a military related video

[frigid karma]

he fucking sent me that ok

[shut wren]

no idea

[frigid karma]

i did not want to watch it

[shut wren]

i just watched it

[eternal veldt]

Very credible

[frigid karma]

can't believe you just boil a frog like that

my mom's from hunan and she only ate frog legs stir fried

at least make the frog drunk if you plan on boiling it alive

[eternal veldt]

Blanching

[frigid karma]

like crabs

western culinary discourse: "is boiling lobsters alive ethical? can they feel pain?"
chinese culinary discourse: "guys look i can steam this crab while its drunk hehe"

[chilly osprey]

Their intent is to stockpile in advance of an operation to ensure they can stay afloat long enough to win the fight.

As I mentioned before - their view is that the 'pre-campaign' is going to require several months, if the Americans are involved. After that point, the actual invasion may or may not be able to get underway.

This is also part of why the people who run around screaming about a PLA invasion in the 2025-2027 timeframe are silly as hell

[frigid karma]

the point is

once the sanctions start coming in, they know they've only got a few months max to operate

before irreparable damage is done to the country

[chilly osprey]

Because the PRC has not remotely stockpiled what they need in terms of resources to conduct such an operation.

And their ammunition reserves of newer systems are very shallow.

[shut wren]

The PLA is in somewhat better shape than the russians

[eternal veldt]

Can't wait for the local economy to collapse

[shut wren]

Cant wait for chinese break up

[eternal veldt]

Its in a shit enough state as it is

[frigid karma]

aand now i leave before [mod] nukes us

[shut wren]

same

[eternal veldt]

Quick! Emergency plane!

Schlop schlop schlop schlop

[chilly osprey]

Certainly. But, unfortunately for everyone involved, that's not really an effective deterrent against action on their part. They know what they're getting into in that regard, so their focus is more on mitigating the damage of an inevitable choice.

[frigid karma]

man

if azur welkin is real, and there are naval planes

the fanart will be spicy

[eternal veldt]

recalls an F6F getting sliced in two after a botched landing

Yea... Spicy.

[shut wren]

Its red Though.

[frigid karma]

well silver

how do the planes get fueled

[eternal veldt]

Good question, because I don't know

I'm not a plen guy

Pretz is

[shut wren]

Mosts planes have the Refueling port at the front or back

[kindred reef]

some planes have something in the nose for aerial refueling

[shut wren]

Was talking about that for the front

[kindred reef]

i see

what even is that plane

[shut wren]

which one

[kindred reef]

it looks weird

[cinder escarp]

Last one is le Rafale honhonhon

[kindred reef]

sounds french

[shut wren]

The carrier one looked like a F-4

[cinder escarp]

Planes usually have a extendable nose probe for use with drogue systems, or a fuselage mounted port for boom system

[kindred reef]

yeah

[shut wren]

Not because of the many times i have tested that thing out in WT

[frigid karma]

I do not personally regard the whole of the remaining cities of Germany as worth the bones of one British Grenadier. It therefore seems to me that there is one and only one valid argument on which a case for giving up strategic bombing could be based, namely that it has already completed its task and that nothing now remains for the Armies to do except to occupy Germany against unorganized resistance.

[desert agate]

this one is an A-4 skyhawk

[desert agate]

????????????

some y'all gotta learn WETFUS

[spring briar]

That’s because it is

And its great

[delicate beacon]

Best plen

[spring briar]

I mean it isn’t F-22

But they are also specialized differently

[spiral cedar]

[valid trout]

uhhh wut yamamoto? think he means Yamato

and the Bismarck did have dual turrets

[delicate beacon]

Yamamoto sometimes gets used in place of Yamato even in contemporary sources.
But thats not the worst of the mistakes in there.

[valid trout]

and the montanas werent even fully built

what is this guys brain ;-;

[spiral cedar]

Pretty much none of what this guy said is correct

[delicate beacon]

Explains the ratio

[valid trout]

evidentally. it was the duetschlands tat were the PB

[delicate beacon]

Nono, it's correct on the Bisko losing to KGV part.

[valid trout]

and bismarck was a full battleship

[delicate beacon]

A bit too full if you ask me

[thorn trail]

pocket battleship
biggest battleship ever built in Europe

Wut

[spiral cedar]

Well, Tirpitz or Vanguard technically

Depending on how you count

[valid trout]

plus some of the other stuff mentioned above

[thorn trail]

if Bismarck was a pocket battleship then the SoDaks and everything before it are pocket battleships

[maiden citrus]

yes, the bismarck suck the hms hood

[valid trout]

so then the duetschlands would be light cruisers lol

[delicate beacon]

Are they not

[alpine onyx]

people on the internet and having no idea about what the Bismarck class was, name a more iconic combo, I'll wait

[delicate beacon]

Sirene and Diesel

[spiral cedar]

People on the internet and not knowing what a Yamamoto was

[alpine onyx]

.... fuck

[delicate beacon]

Are you done waiting?

[spiral cedar]

[valid trout]

who is Diesel?

[alpine onyx]

Way. Of. The. Diesel.

[valid trout]

?

like diesel power?

[alpine onyx]

Diesel propulsion

The pathway to many things some consider to be unnatural

[valid trout]

ahh ok

[alpine onyx]

Like 20,000nm cruising range on a heavy cruiser

Because sailing from Germany to Italy, then to the US East coast for a round of coastal defense, and then back to Germany with one tank filling is what you want

[valid trout]

did any ship from ww2 have that range?

[maiden citrus]

there is but a few

darth plegi-

[alpine onyx]

some merchants probably

and maybe an Iowa if you squeeze for some fuel economy

[maiden citrus]

some battleships could do it at low speeds, but for a heavy cruiser it was quite novel

[alpine onyx]

and then came their high pressure ships whose fuel economy was just a

[spiral cedar]

[alpine onyx]

But can still get long cruising ranges by just having 8,000+ cbm of fuel

[maiden citrus]

[spiral cedar]

Great for leaving helpful trails for PBYs to follow

[alpine onyx]

should've gone the British way

minimal fuel capacity, and calculate cruising ranges excluding auxiliary machinery consumption

bonus points for having janky fuel filtration systems that can't keep up with the consumption

[maiden citrus]

and then use the minimum fuel capacity to estimate speed too, genius, a double W!

[alpine onyx]

Too much brain

[eternal veldt]

Yamamoto is a good waifu

Akira Yamamoto, that is

Mr. 56 though, not so sure

[spiral cedar]

Not to mention that Iowa had better armor, better compartmentalization, and better damage control.```

If you double dip enough times you can say anything is equal to anything else ![PortDoll](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585585241142591535.webp?size=128 "PortDoll")

[delicate beacon]

Remember what they took from you

[alpine onyx]

Gimme

[maiden citrus]

new mexico...

[spiral cedar]

NexMex but one turret fewer and a very different machinery layout

[maiden citrus]

at last, old mexico

[delicate beacon]

No, I took it from you.

[alpine onyx]

Scharnhorst Kai

I spread it to the world

[delicate beacon]

To the world

[spiral cedar]

Wonder what those deck thicknesses are

[delicate beacon]

30-125-50

[maiden citrus]

not bad at all

[patent pelican]

What is that?

[eternal veldt]

Sanglune's Sadistic Gaslighting

[delicate beacon]

Just a 45000t Dutch BB drawing I have in my possession

[alpine onyx]

DOUBT!!!

[delicate beacon]

I didn't say anything false did I?

[patent pelican]

Thank God they didn't build it. It's ugly.

[delicate beacon]

Wow, mean.

I'll try to design a prettier BB next time

[patent pelican]

My standard of appearance is not something any country should follow when it comes to building ship.

[delicate beacon]

[delicate beacon]

As long as you like the Richelieus then you're more based than Ryan.

[valid trout]

proposed ship by the netherlands?

[delicate beacon]

[alpine onyx]

Proposed ship by Sanglune

[delicate beacon]

This one however wasnt designed by me

[valid trout]

oh ok it read sanglune at the top and me being dented i thought that was the ship name

[alpine onyx]

True, that one is not you doing

Only a mad genius could come up with something like that

[delicate beacon]

I bet I can make it better

[eternal veldt]

obligatory

[delicate beacon]

Now make her very short but still somehow remain the same speed

[eternal veldt]

done!

hire me now!

[delicate beacon]

Sure, pack your bags you're going to St. Petersburg.

[eternal veldt]

I can finally ask the 1:42 Ajax to step on me and treat me like shit

very pog, thank you Sang

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFbmsyVKKjM

[spring briar]

Average #al-general logic

[ivory ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=938dClcY-08

[delicate beacon]

Why did the Royal Navy send Hood after Bismarck. Why not one of the battlecruisers Conqueror or Incomparable. They're stronger than Bismarck whilst Hood was much weaker than him. (She even had WW1 guns! Yikes!)

[alpine onyx]

Sang.exe broke

restarts

[delicate beacon]

*boots down*
*boats weer aan*

[maiden citrus]

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933487968637833216/1016027486825496716/Sequence_01.gif

[manic latch]

The fuck is a Regio

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/390756814532378634/1036480329269121096/014C3909-11C3-4C4A-8624-3FC6781A43B7.gif

I mean it's just the

masculine version of Regia

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

it's used for the army, for example

Esercito is a masculine name so it's Regio Esercito

while navy and Airforce, Marina and Aeronautica, are feminine

[remote monolith]

I get why the navy would be feminine, but why the air force too

[ivory ridge]

because the masculine word is already used as an adjective

or in general for that industrial sector

or well, technically Aeronautico is a derivative of Aeronautica so it's not like the former stops the latter from being masculine but 🤷

frankly idk

[spring briar]

Marino nationalle

[eternal veldt]

Just send Malta, my guy

no, not the CV

the whole fucking island

[spring briar]

Continental drift is at 1cm/y so

Should work

Will simply take some time

[remote monolith]

ok but hear me out

several thousand ship engines

strap it into Malta

bingo

an actual traveling island base

[spring briar]

Ok but how will you cut away Malta from the continental crust?

[eternal veldt]

Ask the Luftwaffe and Regia Aeronautica to kindly do it for you

[dusty kraken]

just eat the crust

[alpine onyx]

can one Fritz X the continental crust?

[delicate beacon]

Hm, no not really. The Fritz-X was designed to hit Italian BBs not British carriers so it wont work.

[alpine onyx]

true

[eternal veldt]

@maiden citrus Couldn't find a version without the logo, but

[alpine onyx]

after all, Warspite didn't blow up while Roma did

so RN BBs are immune

[eternal veldt]

USS West Virginia (BB-48) leads Maryland (BB-46), Colorado (BB-45), both Tennessees, and other ships in March 1928 - Bibliothèque nationale de France, Agence Rol 127334

[maiden citrus]

poggers

[spring briar]

French technology is very crust based
Simply look at our baguettes for that
This means the Fritz X is well capable of stripping any rocky planet’s crust and (optionally) biosphere if dropped from high enough altitude.

[alpine onyx]

stripping, how lewd

[maiden citrus]

wonder if this pic is related to it, don't think I've seen your pic's angle though

[spring briar]

9 cuties in a row

[ivory ridge]

god this channel is bad

[spring briar]

As if you didn’t know this already

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/926228462904176707/1048914343179325531/live_bocchi_reaction_bocchi_the_rock_anime_of_the_decade_love_justice_war_hunger_greed_bocchi_the_blush_bocchi_the_rock.gif

[eternal veldt]

is it because it talked shit about Veneto

[ivory ridge]

The matapn video was also very bad

in this video he's just reading wikipedia and talking about general informations

the content itself is not too bad

but half of the B-roll footage is 127/64LW guns

and not the 76

[spring briar]

Too big

[manic latch]

Don't like Dark channels

[manic latch]

Type 055 vs Type 052D destroyer

[shrewd pecan]

never realized until now the Mexican army has a V-150 clone in service with a M8 turret on it

[frigid karma]

aww

stuart lives on

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DN-V_Bufalo

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684721152739770371/1062043095803383900/323714706_6035125736574616_7472106962911292549_n.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684721152739770371/1062043108918964315/324751586_545016590682590_7612495705362020370_n.png

Pancake

[shut wren]

Chocolate bars

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1612519433594888227

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1984, USS New Jersey (BB-62) fired salvos from her 16/50 guns at Syrian and Druze forces during a deployment off the coast of Beirut, Lebanon.

Twitter · Jan 9, 2023, 6:39 PM

[spring briar]

I found the origin

of the 16" naval caliber

[spring briar]

(From Woolwich)

(probably 407mm)

[delicate beacon]

Pomme de terre Pomme de terre

[frigid karma]

why is it written as 40 c/m . 6 rather than 40.6 c/m

is that just french artillery notation in the 1870s

feels like one should put the unit after everything to decrease confusion

[spring briar]

it's an article from 1881
idk man

[manic latch]

Burnt German tank Pz.Kpfw. V "Panther" on the Belarus field

[spring briar]

cute geese

[delicate beacon]

Those arent just any geese.

Thats the new tank crew.

[spring briar]

probably better than the original one

[fleet summit]

Aye

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/ronkainen7k15/status/1612375195477757954

Ronkainen (@ronkainen7k15)

Let's check out the weight evolution of BAE's modernized M8 for U.S. Mobile Protected Firepower program:

M8 AGS/ELT demonstrator: 24.75 (US) tons
ELT bid sample vehicle: 26 tons
BAE's MPF prototype: 27 tons

Likes

152

Twitter · Jan 9, 2023, 9:06 AM

https://twitter.com/RCAF_ARC/status/1612539256551137286

Royal Canadian Air Force (@RCAF_ARC)

Just announced today: the F-35 will be Canada’s future fighter aircraft! This positive step forward will allow us to enforce Canada’s sovereignty as outlined in Canada’s Defence Policy and meet Canada’s NORAD and NATO commitments for decades to come.

Likes

205

Twitter · Jan 9, 2023, 7:58 PM

[cinder escarp]

And the GDLS one is 42!

[manic latch]

Rip Gripen

[subtle prawn]

As somebody who’s only casually interested in ground vehicles, where did all that weight for the GDLS MPF go to compared to the BAE System MPF?

[cinder escarp]

BAE's a light tank with a dedicated hull design and a smaller, autoloaded turret.

GDLS is using a full-size IFV hull, with a very large manually loaded turret.

[eager dove]

Good riddance

https://tenor.com/view/take-the-l-bozo-gif-25355134

[delicate beacon]

What's a Baldi's meme doing here.

[manic latch]

What BR would this be

[delicate beacon]

BR 1, gets APDS and can thereby pen anything from any angle. Fully stabilised.

[shut wren]

Bro this mf gotta be reserve

you can mg this thing

[shrewd pecan]

what can’t you MG at that BR

[shut wren]

everything else

[shrewd pecan]

Clearly you have not seen the power of the M2A2

[shut wren]

I used to shoot em out with Bt-7s

[thorn trail]

@eternal veldt Imma move here but I have more questions regarding QE class. Why is the superstructure called Queen Anne's mansion?

[eternal veldt]

Compare this with the front face of Warspite's superstructure.

If it isn't clear enough, compare it with Vanguard.

[thorn trail]

Oh

Also why did the G3/N3 have a gun between the towers

[eternal veldt]

Save tonnage - less length for citadel protection required

[thorn trail]

oh

[eternal veldt]

@spring briar help

I can't do this anymore

[spring briar]

Wth is this

[eternal veldt]

Dunkek with Ise flight deck

Just need eye bleach

[frigid karma]

Commissioning yuri art as we speak

[ivory ridge]

...and american guns?

[tough quail]

please commit die

[molten patio]

excuse me why is that an american mk maingun?

[spring briar]

Just no

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/ronkainen7k15/status/1612155349041307648

Ronkainen (@ronkainen7k15)

The weight evolution of GDLS Griffin series for Mobile Protected Firepower program

Griffin 1 demonstrator: 27-ton
Griffin 2 bid sample vehicle: 38-ton
MPF prototype: 42-ton

*All units are US standard

Likes

274

Twitter · Jan 8, 2023, 6:32 PM

[fierce sparrow]

42 tons...

[molten patio]

is it just me ir

or

thats just a modernized Maus

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2023/01/09/navy-awards-hii-planning-contract-for-zumwalt-hypersonic-upgrades

[desert agate]

fuckin

shit

[spiral cedar]

Un-drunk yourself and then return

[eager dove]

https://twitter.com/masao_dahlgren/status/1489283669835534338?t=WoPVUa1exBRiE1gvUd2GOA&s=19

Masao Dahlgren (@masao_dahlgren)

Ask and you shall receive. I'm still not certain about the size of C-HGB and whether there's some kind of fin folding mechanism, or whether the thing is smaller. All the info suggests it's a similar diameter to the booster. Also skipped TVC and diff nozzle for Stage 2.

Twitter · Feb 3, 2022, 5:04 PM

C-HGB goes hard

Grosser chungus missile

Though not stated in the contract summary, the period will include the removal of the existing twin 155mm Advanced Gun System on each ship to install four 87-inch tubes for hypersonic missiles, USNI News has previously reported. The service has determined that installing the Common Hypersonic Glide Bodies (C-HGB) aboard the 16,000-ton destroyers is the fastest way to get a prompt global strike weapon to sea.

Four tubes, three missiles per tube

[desert agate]

no\

[tribal mortar]

Found some ship in afs

*ads

Is she legal to be in AL or too Modern

[delicate beacon]

Laid down 22 April 1991
Hm... I'm not sure but I don't think that's before WW2 ended.

[shrewd pecan]

literal aegis cruiser man

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-girls-und-panzer-gif-20333800

[chilly osprey]

She would basically dumpster any ship in AL

[shrewd pecan]

Shits gonna be smiting other ships from well over 100+ KMs away man

Potentially even further depending on if it gets it’s theoretical armament of anti ship tomahawks

[maiden citrus]

it would since it's al

max theoretical is the standard

[tough quail]

it depends if guidance gets super swole along with everything else

otherwise at 100km she's going to be hitting

jack shit

because you're not going to direct hit a dude with a tomahawk in your wildest dreams

[maiden citrus]

so modern targeting systems that can choose a room in a building to hit with a bomb

[tough quail]

you dont just bolt that onto an AShM + that's still much less accuracy than you'd need here

especially if the girl just kinda

shimmies around a little

[maiden citrus]

think of how accurate kan-sen are though

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Ah, but this is AL

[maiden citrus]

it's definitely max theoretical

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If torpedoes work against a human sized target that can kind of float around in the air at times and also turn on a dime

Because anime logic

I don’t see why a missile wouldn’t work

[maiden citrus]

imagine the running depth a torpedo would need to even function

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-2 meters

Literally

[maiden citrus]

like 5 inches

cuz you might hit the bottom of their shoes at 5 inches

anything else is too deep

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Assuming they don’t just

Jump over it

Or turn on a dime and dodge it

Now if the game is willing to pretend those can hit and kill shipgirls, I think it’s silly to pretend missiles can’t do the same

Especially when the An Shans are already in the game

[humble mulch]

looks at a single CV kansen beating 2 CVN task forces in some sort of war game

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She just procced lucky e a lot

Plus they didn’t use combustible lemons

[tough quail]

yeah i was going to say

enty facerolled two whole task forces

soo

yeah

[junior trench]

horse

the idea is a kansen version of that ship

not that ship proper

a kansen VLS ticonderoga class

[tough quail]

yeah that sounds about right

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Cake as in food or booty

Because the Sherman has a remarkable ass

[modest vigil]

Sherman is a good tank

[spring briar]

#history is on crack again

[tough quail]

the sherman is in fact a tank of all time

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As an IRL crackhead, I am tickled by the amount of players complaining about crackhead AI

Have you ever even smoked crack? The rush is exhilarating. You gain cat-like reflexes. I can follow a cockroach scurrying behind my drywall, and you don't think I can hear a yoked out fully armored 200 lb male with a 14 lb assault rifle, sidearm, a door ram, riot shield, and flashbangs rattling around? You mfs aren't sneaky.

You need night vision goggles to see in the dark? Pathetic. Crack makes you see sound. You're shouting for me to get down but I'm too high to get down. You don't just come down from crack at a moment's notice, it takes hours.

While you guys were running countless drills and training for these scenarios, I was smoking crack. While you guys were curating your gear and loadouts for this specific mission, I was smoking crack. And now that you've rounded the corner, yelled for me to put my weapon down and get on the floor, I turned 180° and shot you in the head instantly with a rusty black market tec9, and you have the audacity to say that I am the problem?

Boo fucking hoo

You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me. Try smoking crack.

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Phancat

[shut wren]

It looks like a hellcat without the prop

[spiral cedar]

As an IRL aircraft carrier, I am tickled by the amount of players complaining about carrier AI

Have you ever even dive bombed? The rush is exhilarating. You gain cat-like reflexes. I can follow a destroyer in a hard over turn, and you don't think I can hear a yoked out fully armored 35,000 ton battleship with 15 inch rifles, secondaries, rangefinders, floatplane hangars, and lifeboats rattling around? You mfs aren't sneaky.

You need radar to see over the horizon? Pathetic. High altitude makes you see sound. You're shouting for me to get down but I'm too high to get down. You don't just come down from high altitude at a moment's notice, it takes minutes.

While you guys were running countless gunnery drills and training for these scenarios, I was dive bombing. While you guys were curating your gear and loadouts for this specific mission, I was torpedo bombing. And now that you've sortied out, yelled for me to strike my colors and prepare to be boarded, I turned 180° and torpedoed you in the stern instantly with a rusty Mark 13, and you have the audacity to say that I am the problem?

Boo fucking hoo

You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me. Try carrier aviation.

[frigid karma]

Perfect

[shut wren]

Boutta enlist to try carrier aviation

[tough quail]

but have you also done crack jaba

[maiden citrus]

jaba, but kriegsmarine