history

[frigid karma]

yes, that's what i was referencing

[eternal veldt]

Thought as much.

Trust me, not the worst shit in that film

[valid trout]

what is ;-;

[eternal veldt]

A6M Model 52s with green liveries, Knox class frigates, butchering of Taylor and Welch's stories

[frigid karma]

oh my god

it's a FUCKING LOVE STORY?

[eternal veldt]

And on top of it all, a bad love story on top

[frigid karma]

kekwww

what

the fuck

[eternal veldt]

It's not trash

[valid trout]

;-;

[eternal veldt]

It's the whole landfill

🚮

[maiden citrus]

not everyone can be greyhound

[eternal veldt]

Greyhound has a couple teeny tiny issues, but otherwise pretty gud

[frigid karma]

please, bringing up greyhound when kelly's heroes exists

tfw the comedy film has an actual attempt at a tiger mockup

rather than pattons

[eternal veldt]

Psst

Waterloo

Have one of the biggest armies in the world for a movie

[frigid karma]

or lord of war

"hey, why are there 50 tanks lined up here? Are you trying to start a war?"

[eternal veldt]

Or, coomer film for me

Master and Commander

[valid trout]

saving private ryan ;-;

the normandy beaches scenes where pretty realistic

[tough quail]

bays PH makes me want to die

it's like enemy at the gates bad

[remote monolith]

shame it was a bomb

admittedly the movie has..issues

as good as the massive amount of extras participating was

[eternal veldt]

The unfortunate common fate of many movies I like

Treasure Planet getting fucked in the box office still tilts me greatly to this day

[cinder escarp]

I remember when it came out

[eternal veldt]

Tfw Taylor outright called PH a piece of trash

[somber knoll]

master and commander is my jam

the score is especially good

[eternal veldt]

Dont forget your old shipmate and Spanish ladies are good

[frigid karma]

speaking of calling out movies

1917, wtf?

an otherwise utterly fantastic film kind of spoiled by the fact that like 500 meters behind what were thought to be occupied german lines is a bunch of british guys in trucks moving along

[tough quail]

that wasn't where they thought the lines were tho

hence the guy literally riding with them to get there faster

[kindred reef]

okay 1941 is the best ww2 movie

[desert agate]

attack force Z

[frigid karma]

'what were thought to be'

if the british at the start are convinced the lines just a few hundred meters across are full of germans, why is there another group driving around

[tough quail]

it wasn't a few hundred meters out

it was nine miles

and it was nine miles away from where they initially were, which itself was at least a couple mines away from the starting point

[frigid karma]

nine miles was the distance from the starting point to the new trench line

i'm not talking about the last place in the movie

i'm talking about like

half way through, right after the cross the first set of abandoned german trenches

they walk for about 2 minutes and there's suddenly a bunch of british trucks

why would trucks be driving around there if the british still think the trenches they just crossed are occupied

[tough quail]

they dont

they know they've abandoned those trenches

the colonel gunning after them thinks they're running, and all he has to do is press

instead they're nine miles back in a 3 mile deep trench network

(i just rewatched the intro)

[frigid karma]

you talking about mackenzie?

[tough quail]

yeah

[frigid karma]

ok so

that's not who i'm referring to

i'm referring to the first set of german trenches that the british clearly think is still partially occupied, since they only send 2 guys to maximize the chances of sneaking through a message undetected

i think you could explain the plot hole by just saying the first general didnt get any memos, actually

[tough quail]

they're not worried about them getting spotted by land

[frigid karma]

yeah, that makes sense

[tough quail]

its by air thats the issue

fighters drop flares on dudes running through the middle of nowhere because they might be sappers

[valid trout]

i have no idea what movie you guys are talking about

[frigid karma]

1917

[valid trout]

ah ok

[frigid karma]

you should watch it, it's a great movie

[tough quail]

but just to transcribe the intro real quick

[valid trout]

need to find the time to lol

[frigid karma]

general tells the two guys the germans left their forward trenches, some other colonel is planning on rushing them but in actuality the germans have much stronger rear defenses

i know

[tough quail]

"The germans have gone - don't get your hopes it. It appears to be a strategic withdrawal. They appear to have created a new line, nine miles back here, by the looks of it. Colonel Mackenzie is in command, and sent word this morning that he is pursuing the retreating germans."

i.e

they already know they've pulled out

[frigid karma]

yes, that's the plot of the movie

what confuses me is the middle part of their journey

[tough quail]

so the trucks being there are fine, they know the trenches are deserted

its just mackenzie is flying balls deep into the second already fortified line way further up

[frigid karma]

then why aren't schofield's comrades also pushing up to take the trenches they know are abandoned

Also, there's a part where schofield flees from a bunch of germans to float down a river to british lines

that entire scene lasts like 10 minutes tops, which means you have a shit ton of germans burning a church in a town they occupied less than 2 miles behind mackenzie

it's just all a little squished together for the sake of the one-shot

which is fine for the first viewing, but kind of starts to become hard to ignore on further rewatches

[tough quail]

presumably they're getting ready to do that, but you can send two guys off way faster than an entire army

plus i was under the impression that he was getting shot by like, a couple of scouts before he got knocked out

and the town burns after he's been unconscious for several hours

[frigid karma]

no, it was just one guy

[tough quail]

and the trucks are already long gone

[frigid karma]

hiding in a building, he kills him but gets knocked out

[tough quail]

so yeah

[frigid karma]

when he wakes up there's like 10 billion germans outside his window and he has to book it

the problem is he floats down a river for like 4-5 minutes, which means he can't be more than a mile from said germans

when he then runs into the british lines

which means, again, there's a shit ton of germans less than a mile behind the british trench line they're preparing to attack from

and while yes it's faster to send two guys than the whole army forward to warn mackenzie, (he even cites a poem), that still doesn't explain why you couldn't send the army forward while the two guys are rushing ahead to deliver the message

[tough quail]

because mobilizing hundreds of people takes time

also the trenches might be boobytrapped and need sorting (and they are)

[frigid karma]

fair, but what about the first point?

and, if you already have some other division advancing forward on trucks through territory THEY know is unoccupied

why do you have your hundreds of guys still hiding in their trenches instead of at least preparing to move forward with them

[tough quail]

the distance actually travelled is a little wonky but them getting flanked by a bunch of germans sacking a french village isnt really unreasonable

they whole thing is that they marched in blind with no idea what they were getting into

[frigid karma]

specifically mackenzie

regardless, i feel like they could've just spaced things out a wee bit more

[spring briar]

Yes
But she was used as a target for 305 and 340 mm shells post war

[kindred reef]

why? and who did it?

[alpine onyx]

Why not? There's a life size target that allows you to examine the impact of your shellfire

Can gain so much insight from that

[kindred reef]

something can also be gained by having another ship in your navy

[alpine onyx]

Thüringen was one of the first gen dreadnoughts of Germany, so her value as a combatant was rather low

And operating a foreign ship means you need to create all the documentation for it, and have an odd duckling in your fleet

If you are short on ships, that can be accepted

[kindred reef]

so the allies used her as a target because she was old

[alpine onyx]

But after the war to end all wars, you don't have to desperately add any ship that floats to your navy

She was old, and she could still be used to test shells against life sized targets

[kindred reef]

you know how the british are

[spring briar]

France used her as a target
To test (older) generation german KC armor

And to test fire propagation on board of warships

[spiral cedar]

It's not like the days of sail, where a captured vessel could be boarded and used effectively in short order. Warships in the age of steam and iron are the product of each nation's unique industrial processes, and thus you'd either have to overhaul the ship to bring it to domestic standards, or train up a crew specifically to use just that ship's machinery and armament separately from the rest of your fleet. It can be done, and was done in wartime on occasion, but after a war? Hardly much reason to do so when you're already likely to be scrapping your own ships, let alone captured ones

[kindred reef]

oh i thought the royal navy would have took it

[spring briar]

Prize ships were usually thoroughly investigated to get any sort of new tech or advantage

And then they are used for target practice

In france’s case they used Thuringen for artillery practice and prinz eugen for bomb practice

[valid trout]

prinz?

hipper class?

[kindred reef]

didnt the bombs miss eugen?

[spring briar]

SMS Prinz Eugen

Not KMS Prinz Eugen

[kindred reef]

oh

[valid trout]

oh ok

yeh that makes sense then

was a bit confused for a sec

[spring briar]

This one

[kindred reef]

germany had 4 different ships named Luebeck

they should get more creative

i feel like all of the german dreadnought era ships look exactly the same, except for some having more turrets than others

[spring briar]

Only 4?

[valid trout]

which would be stronger, sms or kms prinz eugen

[kindred reef]

maybe more idk

[valid trout]

didnt the US have 8 ships called enterprise or something lol

[spring briar]

SMS Prinz Eugen has rather dubious armor protection, even against 203mm shells

[kindred reef]

no, they are working on the third right now

first was ww2, then the first nuclear carrier, then the one they are working on now

[valid trout]

like in the past as well

[frigid karma]

enty was around since 1775

[valid trout]

yeh

[kindred reef]

?

[frigid karma]

go check wikipedia

lmao

[kindred reef]

bro the fm2 wildcat was busted when fighting the redcoats lmao

[frigid karma]

first served as a sloop of war in continental navy

i'm not sure how you got to the conclusion that we had a carrier in the revolutionary war when uh

it takes all of 5 seconds to google the history of the name enterprise in the us navy

[valid trout]

[spiral cedar]

Glad the Kriegsmarine iteration kept that particular tradition alive

[frigid karma]

oh wait

prinz eugen was a dreadnought? lmao

i thought she was a predread

ok, that's bad kek

[spring briar]

[kindred reef]

yeah lmao bismarck was beaten by a fish with a pointy snout

[spring briar]

treatyn't cruiser moment

[frigid karma]

Takao: have you heard of an advanced trick called

Lying

[junior trench]

no, you're right, she's a dreadnought light cruiser

[eternal veldt]

I remember someone entertaining the notion of a USS Yamato/Nagato

Good meme

[spring briar]

God it's still weird that like the only navies with 30° obliquity requirements in WW1 were HSF and MN

how the times changed

actually not sure if the kuk navy did it too

oi

found an article by Robert Dumas on French ship projects in 1940

[eternal veldt]

Gib

[spring briar]

I will I will

[spiral cedar]

The German Navy introduced improved AP shells in 1911 that formed the basis of all new shells that they used through the end of WWI. These had a form of tough cap that allowed no shatter at up to 30 degrees, but the shell bodies were still too weak to penetrate face-hardened armor more than about half-caliber (more than the projectile radius) in thickness at above 20 degrees. This, plus their own improved fire-control designs, caused them to also go to inert fillers (they used pre-cast blocks of TNT covered in felt stacked in the cavity with a large wooden block at the upper end as an impact shock absorber) and a modified non-delay base fuze with a thin black-powder-layer delay element attached to the back of the picric-acid booster sticking into the TNT filler like a long finger. Instead of making a new, from-scratch base fuze, the original detonator set off by the firing pin on impact was retained.

[valid trout]

who where the HSF and MN

[subtle prawn]

HSF is High Seas Fleet of the Imperial German Navy

[spring briar]

Hochseeflotte (german imperial navy) and Marine Nationale (french navy)

[valid trout]

ahh ok

[spring briar]

It's just Alsace n°1, n°2 and n°3

BUT

we have drawings here

[kindred reef]

pretty cool french airplane

[alpine onyx]

is that about the armor between turret and barbette thing?

[spring briar]

no, just the armor in General

Unless SMS Oigen can get KMS Oigen in her effective range I don't expect her to win

[alpine onyx]

aside from the rather shallow belt I don't see much wrong with the armor

[spring briar]

I'm looking at this from the pov of KMS Oigen

she can dictate the engagement

[alpine onyx]

Well yeah Pudding can stay at 25km and fire until the mags are empty, and then just sail away

[spring briar]

and I expect her shells to be having a rather steep AoF here

an AoF where underwater hits and deck pens would not be that uncommon

[alpine onyx]

General issue with those dreadnoughts

[spring briar]

and since SMS Oigen has WW1 armor I expect it to be plugged

Krupp armor in WW1 also got plugged in post war tests

[alpine onyx]

Hey, could do the same to USS Texas

[spring briar]

please do

[alpine onyx]

oh wait

Texas will just increase her range

[valid trout]

by flooding half her hull

[alpine onyx]

speed dropped to 15kn

maneuverability non-existent

[spring briar]

Sirene

you saw my posts about the 2 twin 340mm turrets at Cap Cepet yes?

[alpine onyx]

mhm

270mm of roof armor

[spring briar]

glorious innit

I have an idea to modernize the Bretagnes

[alpine onyx]

you want to add that armor to the Bretagnes?

[spring briar]

the weight of that 270mm roof armor turret is about double that of those on the Bretagnes

so I remove two turrets

remove two mags

reshuffle the shells so that the sides are free of explosives

[alpine onyx]

I'd be worried about the structural strength of whatever holds those turrets

overall weight wise you can compensate that

but the structure that was made to carry the old turret gets strained twice as hard

[spring briar]

plot these two uparmoured turrets in place

strengthen the hull structure

put in Surals

use the radar FC which was in development on the cap cepet twin turrets

boom

modern pre dread

[alpine onyx]

pats Schlesien

[spring briar]

yes

she cute

ayo

Richie is exactly 247.855 m long

[alpine onyx]

How many Schlesiens is that?

[spring briar]

'bout a few

ayyy new Normandie pics

[valid trout]

what the hell is that mast

[spring briar]

a mast

[valid trout]

Why is it so tall

;-;

[spring briar]

because it is a mast

[desert agate]

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-submarine-dragged-irish-trawler-one-mile-backwards/

[spring briar]

Normandie's superstructure is just low so it looks taller

[alpine onyx]

replace those 340mm quads with some triples of bigger caliber

[valid trout]

lol

[spring briar]

why would I listen to you when it took the HSF until 1915 to do this

[valid trout]

the superstructure is really low lol

[spring briar]

Normandie was meant to open fire at 15k yards and effective firing range was meant to be 12k yards (in the mediterranean)

France had a weird range doctrine

so high superstructures weren't a priority

[alpine onyx]

Can always trust me

At least it's not Lyon

[spring briar]

the Lyons

weird bunch

we had 5x2 381mm armed projects but they went with Lyon instead

[alpine onyx]

16 guns is a no for fire control

[spring briar]

dunno

depends on how they would've been used

[alpine onyx]

planned to use them as a 1v2 ship?

[spring briar]

we simply don't know

we have that one sketch of her engine room and magazine layout

and we know she would've had an 80mm torpedo bulkhead to also stop diving shells

and that at 12k yards, 270mm of pen at 30° obliquity

[eternal veldt]

coal is armour

coal is armour

[alpine onyx]

or crap Silver is broken

[spring briar]

would've been such a meme

[alpine onyx]

Le Bayern

[spring briar]

I respect Bayern

finally 15" guns

rather good shells

WW1 proof armor

let's forget about the shitty freeboard

and lack of deck

[alpine onyx]

eliminates upper casemate armor for a full width deck

[eternal veldt]

Why am I running across these garbage stuff on a daily basis now

[spring briar]

no sirene

you can't change the past

[valid trout]

well, it is true at least

[frigid karma]

Trafalgar was a British loss?

[eternal veldt]

[frigid karma]

That’s cope on KC level

Kek

[eternal veldt]

Read again qwerty

[fiery sparrow]

me sad

[spring briar]

y u sadge

[fiery sparrow]

I like NSDAP ships than KMS except roon of course

[eternal veldt]

trash meme do be trash

[frigid karma]

Indeed

Still funny and we should be able to laugh at it

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

Since that’s what this channel does all the time with quora

[spring briar]

KM is the NSDAP navy

[fiery sparrow]

and I like NSDAP bc they supported Kuomintang while they're fighting with CCP yeah censoring it or else I'll get minus social point

[eternal veldt]

like NSDAP

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

I, too, support genocidal parties and their crusade against innocent people

fuck right off.

[alpine onyx]

Eh, that meme is awful

[eternal veldt]

What next, the Imperial Japanese are good because they tried to fight the CCP?

[spring briar]

who wants to see a picture of Le Triomphant in her nice white dark blue camo?

[alpine onyx]

But gotta pretend the KM did not pose a challenge for the RN

[fiery sparrow]

nah Imperial Japanese helped ccp to took the power in second civil war lol

[eternal veldt]

[spring briar]

here it is anyways

[fiery sparrow]

Kuomintang lost powers bc they were fighting hard with japanese

but while kuomintang fighting hard

ccp saved their powers lol

[spring briar]

I wish this channel were private again

[alpine onyx]

also tf am I reading, NSDAP can go to hell, straight down to the boiler room

[eternal veldt]

RoC and PrC temporary alliance against the Japanese

[fiery sparrow]

yeah I know NSDAP suck

but like the ships

bissie got sunk by 10ton bomb...sad lel

[spring briar]

when you go to hell you get transported into Eugen's boiler room without an instruction pamphlet

[eternal veldt]

Eighth Route Army against the Japanese

[alpine onyx]

and I shall learn it

[eternal veldt]

CCP saved their powers lol

[alpine onyx]

Weimar ships > Kriegsmarine ships

except for Shitzig

[fiery sparrow]

yeah they mostly did nothing just do few fights so they won't get suspicious from people

[frigid karma]

TFW rammed by eugen

[eternal veldt]

[citation needed]

[spring briar]

bismarck got sunk from accelerated flooding in multiple places from gunfire, scuttling charges and the weight of Lindemann's sins

Tirpitz was the one that got Tallboy'd

[frigid karma]

[fiery sparrow]

true..dunno why they hide ships and get sunk by 10tons

[spring briar]

my man

tallboys aren't 10 tons

[fiery sparrow]

Prinz Eugen got bombed by nuclear

cries

[cinder escarp]

that would be your mother

[frigid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

[spring briar]

[fiery sparrow]

oh yeah

they're fighting

[cinder escarp]

I do apologize for that, but it was perfectly open.

[fiery sparrow]

I started the fight like the uk did

[frigid karma]

Why apologize for the truth

[fiery sparrow]

and now time to eat popcorns lel

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

Karl what the fuck

Are you talking about

[eternal veldt]

Oh, I see what this is

[frigid karma]

You think Britain started ww2 and not

[eternal veldt]

a troll

[frigid karma]

The fucking nazis

Lol

[fiery sparrow]

nah talking about

[eternal veldt]

Move on, boys

[spring briar]

classic fledgling naval fan

[alpine onyx]

post good Weimar ships

[fiery sparrow]

pakistan, india, and Bangladesh

[frigid karma]

Where my konigsberg fans at

Dual booty turrets

[fiery sparrow]

konigstiger fan is here

[alpine onyx]

Wearing those baltic stripes like a champ

[fiery sparrow]

I'm blind

I can't see well white-black pictures

so I suck at reading doujinshi

[spring briar]

please leave

[fiery sparrow]

aw

sorry man

[desert agate]

what the fuck

[fiery sparrow]

I apology for doing shit stuffs

[spring briar]

ask God for forgiveness

please

[desert agate]

do i uh

need to say the thing

[spring briar]

[valid trout]

What is going on

[frigid karma]

Channel has a troll

[valid trout]

Something about Richies mum

[spring briar]

my mom is a wonderful lady

[fiery sparrow]

yes, god forgive me for mocking those man who got killed by NSDAP

[frigid karma]

I’m sure she is

[desert agate]

true she made you afterall

[frigid karma]

She’s also quite large

[desert agate]

[spring briar]

spon

[valid trout]

Uhhhhhhh

[desert agate]

friend

[fiery sparrow]

yeah sorry for making mess in this chat

have fun

[spring briar]

Karl, go read a book

like a peer reviewed book

[subtle prawn]

Panzerschiffe of the Deutschland class that effectively killed off the French 17,500-ton and 23,333-ton capital ship projects. Although not as fast as the treaty cruisers, they were armed with six 28cm guns that had superior range and far superior armour penetration qualities to the Italian 203mm cruiser shell. They needed to be countered by a ship with higher speed (29-30 knots) but, even more importantly, superior protection to the early French interwar designs. The inevitable result was an increase in standard displacement to 26,000 tons. This is Admiral Graf Spee in 1936, shortly after her completion. (L van Ginderen collection)

[fiery sparrow]

what book?

[spring briar]

any book

[fiery sparrow]

novels?

[spring briar]

there's holes in your historical knowledge everywhere

no

history books

[desert agate]

death traps

[spring briar]

NOOOOO

[fiery sparrow]

what history book?

ww2?

[spring briar]

anything but WW2

[alpine onyx]

My beloved

[hushed saffron]

Found this lil' thing.

[fiery sparrow]

I know well about ww2

yeah I know

[spring briar]

no you don't

[fiery sparrow]

hitler killed many mans

20M

[spring briar]

[fiery sparrow]

and killed those civilians too

communist, slavs, jews

yeah specially jews

it was 6 millions

yeah I know

[subtle prawn]

Anything written by David Irving

[fiery sparrow]

and they steal the stuff from jews

and used it for continuing war

[desert agate]

the Chinese communists were in no way aided by the Japanese and launched a massive offensive against them which totally exhausted their entire offensive capability which prevented them from further action later in the war

[fiery sparrow]

didn't got aid

couldn't got aids

yeah

[spiral cedar]

My Discord bugged out and while trying to fix it this typed out

[desert agate]

it was not an intentional policy of weakening the nationalists it just ended up that the reconstruction of the communist military happened to coincide with the end of the war

[fiery sparrow]

but they think smart in japanese-chinese war

[desert agate]

GLORIOUS DENMARK

USA USA USA

[fiery sparrow]

USA USA USA

yes

[spring briar]

jaba's true colors are revealed

[fiery sparrow]

I love usa

[spring briar]

an american danish nationalist

I bet Jaba was at Vinland

[desert agate]

🅱️inland

[eternal veldt]

impossible, I thought the CCP poisoned those wells and did the funny, they even have a special division called Unit 731

[desert agate]

so true silver

[spring briar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ichi-Go

https://tenor.com/view/bleach-anime-ichigo-kurosaki-isshin-kurosaki-kick-gif-17538085

[fiery sparrow]

they didn't reached CCP region bro

shaanxi

is not in there plan

[eternal veldt]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_River_Column Damn, this unit is not real at all

[fiery sparrow]

headquarter of ccp

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/хрущёв-дед-дорогиедрузья-gif-25590074

The fuck I'm reading

[eternal veldt]

The citizens definitely loved the three years and eight months of occupation here

[spring briar]

ah yes the CCP in 1944

truly

[fiery sparrow]

how many times did Kuomintang's headquarters got fucked?

it was 2 times brah

[junior trench]

tbf

[spring briar]

even before the long march

[fiery sparrow]

nanking, and wuhan

[junior trench]

there is that time a CCP general counterattacked in cooperation with the KMT and got reprimanded for it

so it's not like the CCP was incapable of contributing even during their "recovery period"

[fiery sparrow]

yeah

[spring briar]

emperor puji forever

[fiery sparrow]

at least they needed to show off to peoples, so they did

[eternal veldt]

bad riche, it's Puyi

read a book smh

[spring briar]

[junior trench]

and they definitely took full advantage of the phenom where the party in power during a crisis will be viewed negatively regardless of any other results or factors

[desert agate]

i hate romanisation i hate romanisation

[spring briar]

how do you not know emperor Puyi

[fiery sparrow]

sorry man just trying to make fun

[spring briar]

dowager Cixi

[fiery sparrow]

but I think it's better not to make fun of mistakes lel

[junior trench]

https://tenor.com/view/no-more-fun-allowed-evil-gif-25554996

[desert agate]

i like how he ended up being like... a devoted communist later in life

thats funny tbh

[fiery sparrow]

oh yeah this room was history...

making fun about history means= socially burried

[eternal veldt]

I mean

There's making funny

[fiery sparrow]

uhmm

[eternal veldt]

and then "I love the NSDAP" for edginess

[junior trench]

public clubs and it's consequences have been a disaster for the ALO server

[fiery sparrow]

ships man

I said ships

[eternal veldt]

sure bro

[fiery sparrow]

come on

[desert agate]

[fiery sparrow]

only meant for that .-.

except that no

I would like to say no

[spring briar]

too late

[fiery sparrow]

wah

[spring briar]

first impressions

[fiery sparrow]

oh shit

I'm already burried

[spring briar]

[fiery sparrow]

okay

[manic latch]

By 2010 the Leclerc was meant to Have APS, RWS & LWR installed to it aswell as improved roof protection and Passive Jammers and heat shields installed to it.

This was cut out due to budget reasons

[fiery sparrow]

fine

我爱共产党

there u go

[spring briar]

[fiery sparrow]

don't burry me

[manic latch]

Karl

[fiery sparrow]

yes?

[junior trench]

jesse

[manic latch]

STOP WHINING

[junior trench]

what the fuck are you talking about

[fiery sparrow]

oh.. okay

[junior trench]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

[spring briar]

karl
change your username to AdmiralCharles

you'll be 10% more likeable

[fiery sparrow]

okay if I can be friends with u I shall

and I should stop talking about history

[junior trench]

please memorize the official state history of Tojokistan

[fiery sparrow]

I feel I'm being pro nazis

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Admiral Karl Donitz?

[spring briar]

sir please leave the premises

[eternal veldt]

Jaba, please explain, how come this doesn't happen when you do quora posts?

What black magic are you using?

[junior trench]

plugs

don't ask what kind

[eternal veldt]

kinky.

[manic latch]

[eternal veldt]

[junior trench]

gutterbrains

[fiery sparrow]

.

[valid trout]

;-;

[fiery sparrow]

is it good now..?

[spring briar]

Japan stole underwater shell tech in 1926 from France
and then proceded to completely interpret it incorrectly
fucking up their AP performance
and likely saving some american lives
🇫🇷 🤝 🇺🇸 🇯🇵

[eternal veldt]

thank you IJN fuse delays

[fiery sparrow]

I should learn more history from u guys..

[spring briar]

better

[fiery sparrow]

thx

are we friends now?

[manic latch]

British teaching %80 of Navy things to Japan 🤝 🇬🇧 🇺🇸

[spring briar]

britain losing its empire due to pressure from the US

🇺🇸 🇬🇧

[eternal veldt]

Britain fighting on three naval fronts

just wait, idk, three months for reinforcements to arrive in Hong Kong, lol

[fiery sparrow]

son is murdering pa..?

[spring briar]

🇩🇪 🇩🇪

[eternal veldt]

Here's your Canadian and Gurkha regiment, good luck against the Japanese

[spring briar]

I never really understood why everyone thinks the US is the UK's "son"

considering charlestown and plymouth both failed miserably

[eternal veldt]

France and Spain are irrelevant

[manic latch]

Crew members of the American battleship Iowa (USS Iowa (BB-61)) aboard the Japanese battleship Nagato

[eternal veldt]

easy

[fiery sparrow]

bc they used to calling it..?

[junior trench]

it's like when a Scot is successful, they're British

and when they're not, they're a Scot

[spring briar]

and when scotland is being succesfull you get a tatcher
who ruins it

Edward I weak

1 scottish bridge > england

[manic latch]

SCOTLAND FOREVER

[spring briar]

can I please get a movie where the scottish nobles are actually wearing armor
and not rags

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/kilt-scottish-gif-19175472

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Cmon Rich

It's same with 300

Half naked Spartans

[spring briar]

300 is clearly not trying to be a historical movie

braveheart is

and it sucks balls

[dusty kraken]

0/10 not everybody has bagpipes

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

KREM THERE ARE GOAT PEOPLE IN 300

[manic latch]

I'm yeah

And a

[spring briar]

yes you are a goat

[manic latch]

3 meter giant god

[junior trench]

it's also a movie adaptation of a comic

[manic latch]

Yep

[eternal veldt]

remember the rage comic memes coming from Sparta?

old times.

[spring briar]

braveheart tries to make you believe a bunch of dirty guys with blue facepaint which is 1000 years out of fashion armed with a bunch of sharp sticks defeated an army of armoured englishmen

[desert agate]

Templetons Crossing during the Kokoda track campaign was a major crossing between the major aerial resupply hub at Myola and the Australian troops fighting on the track
It would be the site of two major battles, the first of which was the second battle that the 7th division participated in during the Australian withdrawal

After the dramatic reinforcement of the exhausted 39th battalion AMF during the battle of Isurava by the 2/14th and 2/16th battalions of the 7th Division 2nd AIF, the Australian troops were unable to hold off the Japanese advance after 5 days of brutal fighting

The 2/16th battalion would be relocated to cover a potential flanking track while the 39th and 2/14th would cover the main track and the battle would see the dramatically outnumbered Australians face a Japanese force twice their number.

The Japanese however had been able to rest the 41st Infantry regiment during the battle of Isurava and were able to throw fresh(ish) troops into the battle, and the exhausted 2/14th and 39th battalions (which had been dramatically weakened by disease and combat) were simply unable to hold them off, as the Japanese were able to haul up a small number of field guns and mortars up the track and used them to bombard Australian defences for the first time in the campaign.

After another 5 days of fighting, the order to withdraw was given, and the supply dump at Myola was sabotaged. Instead of the traditional method of burning anything that could be of use to the Japanese, holes were punched into the food tins and the rice was urinated on, everything else being destroyed, the logic being that the starving Japanese troops (it had not been unnoticed that Japanese troops were carrying remarkably little when killed in action) would be unable to stop themselves from eating the contaminated food, thus weakening the Japanese supply line

This decision among others in the Australian delaying actions prior to the battle of battle of Ioribaiwa proved to be decisive in crippling the Japanese supply lines resulting in the eventual Japanese withdrawal to Buna and Gona and the battles there two months later

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/sparta-leonidas-this-is-sparta-what-is-love-gif-18683567

[spring briar]

still the best yt video ever

480p era

[manic latch]

Good times

[spring briar]

[fiery sparrow]

why so big radar :V

[eternal veldt]

It's not radar, just the rigging of a ship.

[manic latch]

Radar?

[fiery sparrow]

aren't that radar?

[manic latch]

No it's mast

[fiery sparrow]

ah

[eternal veldt]

rigging = lines running up to the mast of s hip

[spring briar]

radar on ships was only a thing in the 1940s

[fiery sparrow]

me stupid at ships

[spring briar]

Normandie is a 1912 design

[alpine onyx]

Ackschually

started in the late 1930s

[eternal veldt]

These riggings are here to provide signalling to other ships of the fleet

[spring briar]

saying akschually doesn't make it less annoying

[eternal veldt]

You need to issue an order to a friendly ship, you tell the yeoman to hoist a signal, usually mediated between officers before the ships head out to sea

poor communication, or misinterpretation of said signal, usually causes.....unwanted battle results.

cough Dogger bank

[alpine onyx]

But by making it deliberately stupid it's easier to tell my intention

[eternal veldt]

Make it giga stupid then

"BUNGA BUNGA" for dreadnought works

[spring briar]

actually

what WAS the first ship to have a search radar

[eternal veldt]

I only recall the US cramming CXAMs to their ships en masse prior to the outbreak of war

[spring briar]

the US doesn't count

[eternal veldt]

CXAMs are production models though, so the lineage goes even earlier

[alpine onyx]

At least for the Germans they had an experimental bote for the radar in 1936

first true warship should be Spee in 1939

[eternal veldt]

USS Leary got a radar in April 1937

[alpine onyx]

for the Germans, ofc

[eternal veldt]

oh wow, a four piper

[desert agate]

Here's a good question what was the last USN surface combatant to not commission with radar

[eternal veldt]

Hit pls, we're barely figuring out which ship got what kinds of radar

[spring briar]

USS NY got one in January 1939

[spring briar]

During the 1930 decade research agencies of
the U.S. Armed Forces undertook serious development work on radar and in 1939 a set designated XAF and built by the Naval Research
Laboratory was installed and tested on the
U.S.S. Neui York during battle maneuvers. Its
success made it the prototype for the air search
radars such as the CXAM, SC, and SA radars of
World War II. The XAF operated at a frequency
of about 200 MHz. It was pulsed, using a common antenna for transmission and reception. Its
indicator was an “A” scope on which targets
caused a vertical deflection on the cathode ray
tube and whose position from left-to-right on
the sweep indicated the target range.

[eternal veldt]

Leary got the NRL on in 1937 as I mentioned

XAF on New York later, yes

Here we see the Wickes class destroyer USS Leary (DD-158) carrying the first radar equipment to be tested on a US warship, in April 1937. The antenna have been mounted on one of her guns to allow them to be moved more easily.

[alpine onyx]

Smols

[spring briar]

Because of
its frequency, it had two major drawbacks for
detection of surface targets. First, the lobe structure of the transmitted wave limited the horizontal range and second, practical antenna sizes
resulted in wide beam widths and hence poor
target discrimination.

[spiral cedar]

#history message

It's pinned in this channel

But this is my recommended list

[spring briar]

Jabancestor

[spiral cedar]

Practice

[spiral cedar]

Of the chess grandmaster variety

[fiery sparrow]

shet

currently reading japanese army history .-.

but that's a lot man

[spiral cedar]

Better to have too many books to read than too few

[manic latch]

Independence class Littoral Combat Ship Hellfire module

[valid trout]

ive just started bays PH

and it makes no sense

they have a iowa at pearl harbor

WHEN THEY WERENT EVER OFF THE SLIPWAY YET

[alpine onyx]

it'll get worse

Iowas are at least appropriate for the era

[valid trout]

yeh

i see ddgs

but cant recognise which class ;-;

wait

i think its kidd class

[alpine onyx]

Japanese CVNs

because

yes

[valid trout]

the wrongness is immense

at least Midway is better

in terms of accuracy

and oh god

they show a modern US CSG in place of the kido butai

🤦‍♂️

how inaccurate can you get in a movie based on historical events

[unborn wyvern]

I'd advise stopping now and switching to Tora Tora Tora

[valid trout]

yeh i think thats a good idea, only its 1am

[unborn wyvern]

lmao

[valid trout]

michael bay really sucks at making war film based on history ;-;

[unborn wyvern]

unless you wanna watch it just to see how shit it is

[valid trout]

i just have to say it

[valid trout]

i mean, i guess ill watch it, and then watch torax3

[solid mango]

Speaking of Tora Tora Tora

Some movie props

[valid trout]

ooooooooooooooooh i might switch

but why is there a US super carrier

or is that just my eyes playing up

[solid mango]

Where could you find an IJN Akagi at that period that would fit in budget?

[valid trout]

ah

akagi's replacement

[solid mango]

Wait thats a replica Akagi in the images i sent

[valid trout]

huh

[solid mango]

Just the flight deck tho since well, uhh, Akagi got died'ed

[solid mango]

R u talking abt TTT or Michael Bay's PH im also confusion

[valid trout]

both

for some reason

in the pic that you just posted, it looks like a US carrier

[solid mango]

Ye the Akagi here is a replica

[valid trout]

super carrier

modern

[valid trout]

ah ok

the similarities from that perspective llo

lol

[solid mango]

now heres me realizing ill never be able to walk onboard any of these since their gone

[valid trout]

dont worry, everyone here realised that

well except for Yorktown II

and New jersey

and NC

and Massa

and some others

mikasa

my brain is blaking

[solid mango]

[valid trout]

oooh which movie is this prob of yama from

[solid mango]

Uss Smol stone (real)

[valid trout]

battle of archemidies?

cant spell

[valid trout]

uhhh no

[solid mango]

Otoko Tachi-no Yamato

[valid trout]

english please

[solid mango]

Men of the Yamato

The 2005 movie

[valid trout]

oooooooooooohhh

ive watched it already

seeing the movie poster reminded me

was pretty realistic

which ships were with the yaam when she sank?

like the DDs

[solid mango]

Whatr?

english please

[valid trout]

;;-;;

which DDs where with the yamato when she sank

[solid mango]

Ah i see, a question regarding DD names... Auf wiedersehn im out

[alpine onyx]

Yahagi
Fuyutsuki, Suzutsuki, Hamakaze, Isokaze, Yukikaze (who else?), Hatsushimo, Asashimo, Kasumi

Yahagi being the CL

[valid trout]

the japanese have long names for there DDs

[valid trout]

ahh Yuki, th elucky ship

[alpine onyx]

However you define luck

For those around her, more like unlucky

And once you see Shigure, you should make sure your will is up to date

[valid trout]

Oh no

[alpine onyx]

Being a sole survivor means those around you have to die

[eternal veldt]

If anything, the survivors of Yukikaze are actually scolded by the relatives of those who deceased

[valid trout]

So you could say unluckily lucky

[eternal veldt]

As much as the "Sasebo no Shigure, Kure no Yukikaze" goes for, some people are well aware what happens to the ships that they escorted

a "reaper", if you will

[eternal veldt]

They made an entire set for the film, thus the realism

[alpine onyx]

"Oh hey, I am being escorted by a ship that was the sole survivor of it's task force twice, that makes me feel super good"

[valid trout]

Ahh yes

[delicate beacon]

[eternal veldt]

The set aged very poorly by the time it was demolished, look at the rust on the shielded Type 89 12.7cm gun

discord you dipshit

So it's just basically half CGI, half real-ish thing

[valid trout]

Sheesh that rust is quite obvious

[solid mango]

Half half of the half real thing*

[eternal veldt]

Yes and no...kinda. If Combined Fleet's account can be trusted.

Sailing day was scheduled on the 16th, and escorting the UNRYU on this mission would be another pair of new ships, the Matsu-class destroyers HINOKI and MOMI of Desdiv 52, the former flying the flag of the division leader. These were fast and tough little vessels, well equipped for A/S warfare and mounting a considerable AA defense. They were joined by a third, a destroyer whose name had become legendary throughout the Imperial Navy. Morale surely rose when at noon 15 December, the veteran SHIGURE arrived at Kure from Sasebo to join the small task force. Survivor of several desperate battles, the SHIGURE had gained a reputation for indestructibility, surviving actions where all her comrades were lost, the most recent being the holocaust of Leyte Gulf. Surely such a ship would bring a badly needed dose of good karma to the sortie.

[valid trout]

Why is the Yamato so thin in the movie Great War of archemedes

[manic latch]

Happy Launch day Tashkent

[alpine onyx]

surviving actions where all her comrades were lost, the most recent being the holocaust of Leyte Gulf. Surely such a ship would bring a badly needed dose of good karma to the sortie.

so close

yet so far

unless you breathe some bad statistics logic

[eternal veldt]

But yea, this account is ironic

because Unryu went down later with her baka bombs, and the entire DesDiv 52 was lost a few days later

[alpine onyx]

"The chance of her being the sole survivor yet again is low, so having her instead of someone else increases our chances"

[eternal veldt]

once again, the sole survivor is: Shigure!

3 more ships to add to her K/D ratio

[valid trout]

What would happen if we put all the lucky ships in a sortie together?

Who would be the ultimate lucky ship?

[alpine onyx]

no bullying Hatsushimo

[valid trout]

[alpine onyx]

who else would even be there

Kamikaze, Jervis

[valid trout]

Any lucky US ships

[alpine onyx]

Möwe

[valid trout]

Would Prinz work? Eugen

I forgot her history;-;

[alpine onyx]

was looking at DDs primarily

Eugen was quite lucky

[delicate beacon]

I have an important filmfragment to show you

carry on

[alpine onyx]

doggo

[valid trout]

Huh

[eternal veldt]

As for Yukikaze, let's see:
-survived 3 Rat loading transportations
-survived 1st naval battle of guadalcanal, Hiei dead

• survived Bismarck sea, Tokitsukaze dead
• survived Kolombangara, literally having a torpedo run deep below Yukikaze's keel, and killing Jintsuu instead
• survived Philippines sea, total casualties on board: 1
• survived passage through the Formosa strait, Urakaze dead, Kongou dead
• escorted Shinano, Shinano ends up dead
• survived Ten-Go, Isokaze, Hamakaze, Yahagi, Asashimo dead, Suzutsuki crippled
• somehow dodging all the air attacks from TF 58
• ran into a mine, somehow it's a dud

an HVAR ended up in Yukikaze's food locker, but somehow the fuse is defunct and didn't explode

[alpine onyx]

who was the warcrime DD that took a torp for the carrier she was escorting

Was it Akikaze?

[eternal veldt]

oh wait, it gets worse

[valid trout]

Gotta ask Silver

[alpine onyx]

it was Akikaze

[eternal veldt]

for the Japanese magic carpet, a new captain was assigned to Yukikaze

[alpine onyx]

Departed Mako, escorting JUNYO and KISO toward Brunei. Sunk: torpedoed by USS PINTADO (SS-387) 160 miles west of Cape Bolinao, Luzon (16-48 N, 117-17 E). Number of survivors, if any, unknown, but Lieutenant Commander Yamazaki killed in action.```

[eternal veldt]

...that person was the commanding officer of I-58, which sank Indianapolis

[alpine onyx]

another survivor

[valid trout]

Oh god

[eternal veldt]

All skill, no luck

[valid trout]

The K/D ratio is not looking good

Yes, definitely

[eternal veldt]

and just to make sure she lives longer, the first Type 22 radars, Type 13 and sonar equipment and on DDs was installed on none other than her

Yukikaze, best allied DD

[valid trout]

Even more bruh

Were the type 22 any good?

[delicate beacon]

huh, what kind of pompom is this

[alpine onyx]

Type 22 was fairly basic

[eternal veldt]

Key was that she's the first to get it

[alpine onyx]

as search radar it should do fine

[eternal veldt]

together with deleting the X turret, extension of IIRC the radio office, and a new quadped mast

[alpine onyx]

but with only 2° bearing accuracy on the very late models it's mediocre for gunnery

[eternal veldt]

But yea, unsurprisingly, lots of surviving documents about Yukikaze, hopefully not embellished for the sake of it

[eternal veldt]

Want to know Fletcher's nickname?

Lucky 13, because 4+4+5

Lots of lucky (and unlucky) US ships

[spiral cedar]

As the return trip began, in the strange way that sailors have of sharing solid information and rumors, word went out about a num­ber of disquieting factors: There were thirteen ships in the line and the numerals of Task Force 67 add up to 13. The sailors aboard Fletcher, the thirteenth ship in the column, had two more numbers to add: The destroyer's bow number was 445, which adds up to 13, and she had a total of thirteen 5-inch, 40mm, and 20mm guns aboard.

After midnight it would be Friday, November 13.

[valid trout]

;-;

[eternal veldt]

Triskaidekaphobia runs around here too

[valid trout]

Where you find this

[valid trout]

What’s that

[eternal veldt]

fear of the number 13

[spiral cedar]

In case anyone is not familiar with this battle:
This was the only battle of WWII where 2 US admirals lost their lives: the First Naval Battle of Guadalcanal, a bloody and destructive stalemate for both sides

[valid trout]

Oh ok

[spiral cedar]

Guadalcanal: Decision at Sea by Eric Hammel

[valid trout]

Thanks

[eternal veldt]

Sailor superstition, really never goes away

Really hoping nothing happens to the current USS Illinois, especially since her champagne bottle didn't break on first try

[spiral cedar]

When the lives of a majority on board lie on a metaphorical razor's edge, to be taken or spared by a few extra grams of gun propellant, such superstitions are to be expected

[valid trout]

Submarine?

[eternal veldt]

Yes.

[eternal veldt]

Some people are retrospectively brutal, I remember seeing someone hating hard on Prince of Wales, accusing her as the "Jonah" of the Royal Navy at that time.

[valid trout]

Which one

[eternal veldt]

The battleship.

I'm guessing being renamed from Edward VIII is also not helping

[valid trout]

Lol

[eternal veldt]

St.Lo's crew was very unhappy when told their ship was being renamed from Midway, saying it's guaranteed to bring bad luck - and unscientifically speaking, they are right.

[valid trout]

According to superstition, renaming a boat/ship gives it bad luck

[alpine onyx]

can't get worse than naming your ship Blücher

[spiral cedar]

Hood

[eternal veldt]

Ardent in the RN has a fairly bad record.

[spiral cedar]

Invincible

[eternal veldt]

The first and the last Royal Oak's fates also aren't nice

[manic latch]

https://news.usni.org/2022/12/27/japanese-mod-releases-details-on-ballistic-missile-defense-ships

[unborn wyvern]

looks like the American DDG(X) not surprising considering that Kongo is a relative of the Arleigh Burke class

also Japan isn't in NATO but it sure helps to have interoperability with the largest NATO member and the country rated most likely to back you up in a kerfuffle

[tough quail]

looks a lot better though so far

the like

stepped back end looks way nicer than there just being a brick in the back

hopefully they keep that silhouette

that said to give the US credit the fucking shank bow is also pretty good

[kindred reef]

i dont like the design of modern warships, they look like a bunch of metal shapes put onto a deck randomly

[chilly osprey]

I mean, keep in mind both those images are non-representative renders

It's not even confirmed that the JMSDF is still looking at a 20,000-ton platform

[ivory ridge]

on one hand. they are kind of dumb

on the other, extremely based

[gentle viper]

day 4 of posting underappreciated Cold War Vehicles, Shmel Class Gunboat

[tough quail]

based

[kindred reef]

libelle class torpedo boat is cool too

[eager dove]

Didn’t they say they are basically gonna cludge aegis ashore into a Maya hull?

To save costs

[chilly osprey]

Not specifically a Maya hull, but something closer to that size range

Not only down to costs but also because getting a desirable top speed with the larger designs was proving to be quite difficult

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5ICHdft0fI

[eager dove]

Yeah the reported length to beam ratio on that 20,000t hull was uh lol

Horrid

[kindred reef]

There is a surviving panzer 8 in russia

I never thought they built any

[frigid karma]

they took a maus turret and hull and combined them in kubinka

[kindred reef]

So they built 2, but they each only half worked? Not surprising

Everything german made in the year 1945 is just a mess

[manic latch]

Heavy tank projects canceleld in 1943

There was some Maus hulls around but only 2 was made ish

[kindred reef]

But only 1 turret was made?

[manic latch]

Think so

Germans blow up two hulls

So Soviets pulled a Frankenstein

[kindred reef]

I just need to know why on earth did someone approve of the maus

[manic latch]

Mobile bunker

[kindred reef]

Good armor I guess but surely no bridge in Europe could support it

[manic latch]

She goes through lakes

Doesn't use bridges

Or rivers that is

[kindred reef]

Like leo2?

[manic latch]

Many tanks have such ability

Just must have for Maus

[kindred reef]

How slow was the maus on land?

[manic latch]

20-15km

[kindred reef]

So it probably took an hour to cross a river

[manic latch]

Maybe

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqqw6oSiPDw

[spring briar]

We're getting there

[delicate beacon]

Soon

[spring briar]

[kindred reef]

apparently the germans strapped a junkers-88 full of explosives to a Fw-190

[valid trout]

What the

[spring briar]

Mistel project

Biggest waste of planes ever

[kindred reef]

i feel like germany was just trying new things and didnt care how much they cost they just wanted to see if it worked

[delicate beacon]

Desperation. It's common strategy that if behind you need to take risks to bridge the gap.

Also your username

[kindred reef]

?

[delicate beacon]

Wehrb spotted

[kindred reef]

im not a wehraboo also it would be cool to have jets in azur lane and the 262 was one of the earlier jets ever made, i doubt they'd give us the sabre or the mig19

[ivory ridge]

it's a naval game

stick to naval planes

no german bullshit

[delicate beacon]

Oh, you're just brainwashed by the history channel. Then it's fine.

[kindred reef]

?

[ivory ridge]

also italy did a similar thing when it came to planes strapped to other planes and used as bombs

[eternal veldt]

You want jets?

[kindred reef]

i think the axis just had really bad ideas, you never hear of some crazy thing like that from the americans

[eternal veldt]

Gloster Sea Meteor, done

[delicate beacon]

hear hear

[frigid karma]

this is the history channel

[eternal veldt]

None of that Jumo 004 trash

[frigid karma]

kek

[delicate beacon]

I meant a different history channel but sure

[frigid karma]

BTW, did anyone ID the jets in this event?

[eternal veldt]

Or, F9F Panther

[delicate beacon]

Wehrbs are hiding everywhere

even in this channel

[kindred reef]

was the canberra ever for royal navy?

[delicate beacon]

cuties

[frigid karma]

considering the sea meteor was also a fighter, i bet aj savage will probably be the first relevant heavy dps jet plane ingame

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What are wehrbs

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canberra is cooler than meteor

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People with red names

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Huh

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what is wrong with history channel?

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has a lot of sensationalized crap about nazis

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why?

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money

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It's a parody on weeaboo, but using the German "wehrmacht". A wehrb romantices or has overly normal affection for WW2 German stuff

Which has become quite mainstream due to various circumstances

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Then that’s not me

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gloster meteor only had 76mm rockets, right?

im not too familiar with that plane

then it being added to AL wont really be that impactful

aa isn't much of a premium these days

[eternal veldt]

Literally F6F HVAR this event

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And AD1 skyraider

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yeah, but aren't hvars 5 inch rockets?

iirc the only meteors with hvars were israeli ones in the 50s

then again this is AL

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here it is, royal navy written on the side, it could happen

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they could contrive some bullshit to make the 3 inch rockets op anyways ig

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ironically unless they change how it works for jets, they would just be worse at AA than props because they would move away too fats

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they could just give them insane aa dps

to make up for it

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We need more AA carry

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meh

cheshire made all aa-related content irrelevant

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oh there it is
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/s-a-i-ambrosini -a-r-italian-flying-bomb.1260/

had to look at Pret'z post history with some keywords to findit

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@spring briar

thoughts?

you could also probably throw a quad 340 in there somewhere

we don't have albemarle but we still have her gun, after all

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is there a sea hurricane in azur lane?

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Quad 431 would likely be trash on the level of yamato gun tho

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I should make a Dutch equipment tree

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quad BB guns are in general

the only time they're usable is if you have a ship skill begging for it