history

[spring briar]

Probably the most equally matched planes in history

Atleast at 15k feet

[manic latch]

Ain't that ww1 stuff

[spring briar]

Nah

[frigid karma]

ehh

[maiden citrus]

ww1 stuff was equalish because the tech wasn't there

[frigid karma]

at first they didn't even bring guns there

[manic latch]

Hmm

[maiden citrus]

these two were equalish because they were far and away the best

[chilly osprey]

The British were planning £2bn up to 2025, the Italians are planning €6bn to 2035 atm (R&D only), I'm not sure what Japan has for the moment.

[frigid karma]

tech was about equal, but i think it's safe to say that germany had the better pilots for ww1

[spring briar]

Well in WW1 you had guys with propellor timed guns and without so it defo wasnt as equally matched

[frigid karma]

hence why bloody april happened

[cinder escarp]

I find it funny that the post is trying to say that Windows 7/SVN/Visual C++ 6.0 are bad. There's a whole lot of DoD programs (read: the vast bulk) running on much older stuff.

[somber knoll]

Man's just saying "Linux is superior" :

[spring briar]

Soviet mig-15’d vs american F-86 sabres are extremely equally matched despite their differences

And much more equally matched than any other soviet vs us plane afterwards
(Cough mig-21 vs Tomcat cough)

[maiden citrus]

running anything on windows is bad

[manic latch]

I heard somewhere that the technology our current phones use are much more advanced that most jet fighters. Is that true?

[cinder escarp]

There's a lot of stuff in the DoD running on Windows 98

[frigid karma]

it kinda is tho

[maiden citrus]

very true

[frigid karma]

just gotta git gud

[cinder escarp]

And yes, consumer electronics is far ahead of military stuff and there's a lot of reasons for this.

[manic latch]

Cost?

[maiden citrus]

even just as a core it's better

[somber knoll]

which is true, but even then the DoD still uses Unix-based programs, so

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/russia-soviet-mi-g15-50s-koreanwar-gif-11667556

Mig

[maiden citrus]

there's not really an excuse to not be on unix based things as something mission critical

[somber knoll]

[ivory ridge]

why is free bird playing in my head

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/mig15-mikoyan-gurevich-soviet-union-mig15goes-zoom-planes-go-boom-shut-up-gif-25342261

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/mig19s-gif-25536249

[frigid karma]

anyways, lt

[delicate beacon]

Get Black Napalm noob

[frigid karma]

i thinker the bigger issue with that bullet point is that a lot of the code isn't

executable

[somber knoll]

and btw

[spring briar]

Too late

Vietnam war was later

[frigid karma]

I'm not joking when I say they point where they hit. They literally fire first then put down the target. Once the target is placed nobody is allowed to touch the variables. They just wait for the leadership to inspect it

[spring briar]

Noob

[frigid karma]

sounds like my time in china to me

[manic latch]

China will grow larger

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/navy-aircraft-carrier-jet-fighter-blown-away-flight-deck-gif-16177708

[somber knoll]

I find it amusing that PLAN is just being PLAN with what the dude wrote on

[frigid karma]

"alexa, tell me china's population distribution"

[maiden citrus]

the blatant cheating is kinda amusing too

[frigid karma]

mate i'm chinese and i'm telling you we're fucked

[cinder escarp]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/UYQ-70

[frigid karma]

the funniest part of that article has to be this

In a real war it wouldn't be able to beat the Beiyang Fleet [N.B. The Beiyang Fleet and the shells filled with sand are both stories from the Century of Humiliation. The Beiyang Fleet was a notable part of the failed westernization process in China which saw funds siphoned off for the Empress' summer palace and which was obliterated in the First Sino-Japanese War]

[cinder escarp]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/UYK-44

[somber knoll]

as a Chinese descent, can confirm

[frigid karma]

i mean if they put the dude in charge of the shanghai covid crisis as the FUCKING PREMIER

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/f5freedom-fighter-f5-tiger-ii-tiger2-gif-22374551

Some F5 love

[frigid karma]

i can only imagine what the military structure, (which usually has more room for corruption than in any other branch of government) is like in china

[maiden citrus]

powerpc capability, good

[frigid karma]

and if you haven't read into the shanghai covid crisis, i highly recommend you do - thank god i didn't have any family there

[spring briar]

Maka is from the southern watertribe

(Just watched atla)

[maiden citrus]

probably

[cinder escarp]

first time?

[frigid karma]

the southern watertribe?

is maka from the water nation

[somber knoll]

I watched and read it.

[spring briar]

More like 5th time

[maiden citrus]

most likely

[cinder escarp]

Classic show of late childhood for me.

[manic latch]

If you like Su-57 then you will like YF-23

[maiden citrus]

I'm so full of hope

[spring briar]

Eehhh

[manic latch]

[maiden citrus]

my brother making hot dog jokes is the only thing that keeps me going, that and hope

[somber knoll]

Jinping's zero policy is ridiculous.

thankfully Manjuu HQ was only slightly affected

[manic latch]

Guys politics

[spring briar]

I have very specfic aircraft taste

[manic latch]

Shut

[frigid karma]

indeed, though at this point it is too much politics

[somber knoll]

anyhow

did someone say Gaang?

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-nickelodeon-animation-cartoons-toons-gif-14828134

[manic latch]

Then you deserved SU-57 lewd

[frigid karma]

xi's policy is so extreme though that it should go beyond politics and be classified as animal research, but fish would still ban me for it so i'll shut up

[somber knoll]

tru tru

[maiden citrus]

theres no war in ba sing sei bro

[spring briar]

F-86, Mig-15, SU-57, Rafale and of course Mig-21
Anything else is kind of eh

[frigid karma]

r ford showin up to portsmouth

[somber knoll]

I love how they referenced that gag with the uncle Aang

[spiral cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltanxGEMN_M

[spring briar]

The earth king has invited you to lake Laogai

[maiden citrus]

richy guessed right though as that was my decision after long thought about it a bit ago

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Oh and ofc Ouragan

My beloved

[manic latch]

Ugliest thing ever

So ugly I forgot it's name

[maiden citrus]

incorrect

can we get much higher

[frigid karma]

that's a fine girl

[somber knoll]

Pagoda mast: yes.

[frigid karma]

there are no ugly ships

[somber knoll]

also

[frigid karma]

only ugly armor schemes

[maiden citrus]

no there are definetly ugly ships

[somber knoll]

oof that burn

[frigid karma]

name any ship and i can explain why i would want to mate with it

[spring briar]

Super mystère

[frigid karma]

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-liar-mad-angry-gif-15287650

[ivory ridge]

yeah but goliath doesnt exist

so checkmate atheists

[valid trout]

reminds me of mig 25 iirc being trash when the west thought it was actually a major threat

[humble mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-force-unleashed-gif-23620078

[frigid karma]

goliath is a napkin

checkmate

[frigid karma]

bitch she's not even in AL

shut your headass up

[manic latch]

Trash

Has interceptor role not fighter as West assumed

Ok bud

Just because West overestimated it's role and purpose doesn't mean it was a bad for its purpose of hunting Mach bombers

[valid trout]

did it actually shoot any bombers down tho-

[manic latch]

...

Did Cold War get hot?

[frigid karma]

104 kills to no losses
The F-15 has a combined air-to-air combat record of 104 kills to no losses as of February 2008. The F-15's air superiority versions, the A/B/C/D models, have not suffered any losses to enemy action. Over half of F-15 kills have been achieved by Israeli Air Force pilots.

cope

[valid trout]

in a different way yes

[maiden citrus]

welcome to the ussr says department what can I get ya

[frigid karma]

bomber gap

bomber gap moment

[maiden citrus]

missile gap

[frigid karma]

moe gap

[maiden citrus]

baby store named gap gap

[frigid karma]

ussr moe gap moment

[manic latch]

Ok now tell me. Why should Mig-25 shoot down a B-52, B58, Valkyrie?

[spring briar]

Fighter K/D ratio discussions are cringe

[frigid karma]

"we will crush capitalism"

moe gap

[maiden citrus]

the pizza he man, eat it

[valid trout]

they would shoot it down if it actually invaded soviet airspace but idk if they did that

[humble mulch]

The cold War was well

cold

[spring briar]

Flying mirror

[maiden citrus]

pretty livery

[spring briar]

Radar gun sight

Sadly its main guns were 50 cals

[manic latch]

Bro you should study history a little before you judge planes

[frigid karma]

"""sadly"""

[spring briar]

Oh well

[maiden citrus]

nothing wrong with 50 cals

[frigid karma]

richy

[humble mulch]

I love the Sabre

[frigid karma]

the only downside is it's not enough calories

[humble mulch]

Very pretty

[spring briar]

Same

[frigid karma]

we need higher calorie guns

[maiden citrus]

are you saying the plane needs more hot dogs

of course, how could it not

[frigid karma]

do you even need to ask

[spring briar]

The 50 calls were great in terms of rof and ballistics ofc

But they were still 50 cals

20mm would’ve been lovely

[manic latch]

So Qwerty, what made you admire US military more than other nations? Documentaries? Parent influence? You seeing their planes in a video or smh?

[humble mulch]

Also yeah I don't recall the Mig-25 really being given out either and if they were they probably wouldn't be used as anit bombers

[frigid karma]

You is demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept.

"Enuff hot dog" is more than you got, and less than too much. And there ain't no such thing as "too much hot dog."

"Enuff hot dog" is not a state of being, but rather a state of striving. It is not a goal to achieve, but rather an ideal to emulate.

And that's why you's a git.

[frigid karma]

mostly you

[maiden citrus]

I read that as state of starving

[frigid karma]

[maiden citrus]

and it was even funnier

[somber knoll]

bruh moment

[frigid karma]

kek

sorry for calling you a git maka

[manic latch]

Nah Qwerty I'm not the reason you become US simp. There is something else

[frigid karma]

the copypasta wouldn't work without it

[maiden citrus]

it's fine

[frigid karma]

nah, it's mostly you

[maiden citrus]

british insults bounce off ironsides as they are nonsensical

[spring briar]

The Mig-15 had 23mm guns and a 37mm but conversely it was piloted by korean farmers and russian pilots who really couldn’t hold a candle to the american trained pilots in a lot of cases

[manic latch]

Tea confirm this. Is this true that Qwerty didn't simp US before me?

[maiden citrus]

after the war it was confirmed most were russian ww2 vets for pilots for a good chunk of the war

[frigid karma]

like i'm a US citizen and the US has historically been less murderously racist towards the chinese than most other nations, but my simping towards US miltech is mooostly based on you

[manic latch]

Oooh US citizen

[humble mulch]

[manic latch]

Now I see

Ok that's easy answer

[spring briar]

Is this…. A confederate F86

[frigid karma]

kremlin i am willing to bet you are a us citizen too

[spring briar]

[humble mulch]

Want what

They

They fucking did that?

[maiden citrus]

no cross

[frigid karma]

kremlin i swear to allah i didn't know the difference between a brewster buffalo and an f9f panther before i joined ALO

[manic latch]

That's the beautiful part. Nobody knows my nationality so can't make me part of any national bias

[spring briar]

Of the Russian pilots yes
Most mig pilots were koreans
Sadly for them

[frigid karma]

nah, most tankies are american

[maiden citrus]

you'd be surprised

krelmin acting like we don't know where his bias is lol

[manic latch]

Good thing I'm a Soyuzkie

[frigid karma]

tea he said the word

[humble mulch]

Well he's not Russian

[spring briar]

My preferences are an enigma

[humble mulch]

this also isn't #al-lore

[frigid karma]

you know what this means

[manic latch]

1. This is History not AL lore

2. I'm allowed to say that word in AL lore 1-2 times a week

[humble mulch]

Stop bickering tho

[maiden citrus]

are you sure

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/390756814532378634/1036480329269121096/014C3909-11C3-4C4A-8624-3FC6781A43B7.gif

[humble mulch]

Like go make-out already

[spring briar]

100%

[maiden citrus]

https://2img.net/r/hpimg7/pics/596115Montcalm_1948.jpg

[manic latch]

I forget why we fight

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

https://uboat.net/media/allies/warships/fr/cl_fr_georges_leygues.jpg

[somber knoll]

b o t e

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-wreck-gif-24688521

[maiden citrus]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9a/60/33/9a6033131fe7a5514a771c067f8d41ad.jpg

[spring briar]

Yall don’t know me

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-gif-21041319

Gawd damn that looks good tho

[maiden citrus]

http://quotulatiousness.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Belgian-Fries-vokimberly-Flickr-853x570.png

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-smile-nervous-gif-14108892

Ohno

[humble mulch]

What sauce is that

[spring briar]

Mayonaise

[humble mulch]

You fucking

Sinner

[spring briar]

My favourite

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-anime-terrified-scared-frightened-gif-16455120

[manic latch]

God I wish she squashed me

[humble mulch]

Why can't you use horseradish sauce

[spring briar]

…

[humble mulch]

Be down bad in #al-general

[spring briar]

Because mayonaise on fries is a belgian tradition tea

[frigid karma]

confucius say, the man running behind a car gets exhausted, the man running infront of a car gets tired

[humble mulch]

[manic latch]

Cmon Tea. I know you want it

[sullen canyon]

Talk more about that in #food then

[spring briar]

Mayonnaise is said to be the invention of the French chef of the Duke de Richelieu in 1756. While the Duke was defeating the British at Port Mahon, his chef was creating a victory feast that included a sauce made of cream and eggs.

Lmao

[humble mulch]

Well

Learned something new

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/sunakook-cat-pooping-mad-kitten-gif-26396234

[maiden citrus]

I knew just what to post

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Also I know mayonnaise on fries might seem weird to people abroad but over here it is like the #1 snack

[humble mulch]

Yeah different food cultures for sure

[maiden citrus]

I don't like any toppings on fries so it doesn't bother me anymore than anything else

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

I hate pickle. I hate the fact most cultures have pickle

[spring briar]

But you still don’t know my preferences

[maiden citrus]

pickles are so hit or miss it's astounding

[spring briar]

[humble mulch]

Mayo imo is for sandwiches and burgers, or to be mixed with another sauce

[manic latch]

They ruin everything they are in because of fucking dominant they are

[humble mulch]

I would never use it alone with fries

[maiden citrus]

people either like pickles or hate them

no inbetween

[spring briar]

Mayo is also very varied

[frigid karma]

it depends on how it's prepared

[humble mulch]

That as well

[maiden citrus]

I can also see it, as fries go well with cheese as a side

[spring briar]

Here in Belgium mayo goes on practically anything

[maiden citrus]

not much of a stretch to mayo as a side

[humble mulch]

Fucking miracle whip is really sweet compared to every other brand

[frigid karma]

i can despise pickles on one burger

and adore it on another

[maiden citrus]

I just don't like pickles

[manic latch]

Yogurt + fries

[frigid karma]

and it really depends on the quality of the pickles and how it's prepared

[maiden citrus]

I will concede that point though as that's true of all foods even ones you like

[humble mulch]

Do you like cucumbers with your yogurt?

[spring briar]

I made up a secret sauce made from mayo, keychup and soy sauce and it’s honestly the best thing ever

[humble mulch]

[spring briar]

I put that shit on everything

[manic latch]

Nah

[spring briar]

[humble mulch]

You are one of my people

[manic latch]

Cucumbers are best alone

[humble mulch]

Thank fuck

[spring briar]

Cucumbers are for tzatziki

[maiden citrus]

the new pokemon game lets you decorate sandwiches you make customly

[humble mulch]

Persian food uses cucumbers in their yogurt and they put that yogurt with like everything

I can't escape it

[maiden citrus]

so I imagine everyone is aware of what happened

[humble mulch]

I can only image the memes

[manic latch]

I don't know why but I just love meat with Yogurt

[humble mulch]

Lmao

[maiden citrus]

behold

[humble mulch]

Also Maka

[manic latch]

Mala

[humble mulch]

Do you happen to have a hot dog creation copy pasta

[maiden citrus]

hm, I do not

[frigid karma]

speaking of s/v

[humble mulch]

Shut L is next to K

[frigid karma]

someone described it as a sandwich simulator

that happens to have pokemans

is that true maka? i don't own the game yet

[maiden citrus]

it has a whole lot of ingridients and you can put a lot or a little

so it is a well developed part of the game

that sandwich has so many hot dogs the top bread fell off

[spring briar]

I wonder if I can use my 25mm hotchkis for open carry

[manic latch]

[maiden citrus]

[humble mulch]

Cursed

Both are cured ideas but

[manic latch]

Cured

We lost Tea

[humble mulch]

I think you can in some southern states

[spring briar]

Great

[delicate beacon]

Can I open carry a 20mm Solothurn PAG?

[spring briar]

Weak firepower

Atleast use a 23mm

[manic latch]

Hot dog milk

[humble mulch]

Pretty sure as long as you can legally own them, you can open carry them

[delicate beacon]

But it needs to be portable

[humble mulch]

Kremlin no more cursed hot dogs pls

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Ok then get a 20mm carl gustav

[delicate beacon]

I need to be able to bring the AT with me on ice skates.

[humble mulch]

Put it on like

2 wheels

[maiden citrus]

bone apple tea

[spring briar]

The gustav would be perfect

[delicate beacon]

No

Wheels dont work in the Netherlands. Neither do tanks. So how else am I gonna carry my AT around.

[spring briar]

https://i0.wp.com/www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-03-at-7.43.11-PM.png?fit=359%2C235&ssl=1

[maiden citrus]

drone

drone with an at

[humble mulch]

I hate that thats what I had pictured Kremlin

Sang just start hitting the gym

[maiden citrus]

the mods interrupting kremlin from hot dog posting to me smh

[humble mulch]

Sorry I don't want to see cursed hotdogs as I am hungry

[maiden citrus]

now I'll starve

[humble mulch]

[maiden citrus]

rip poor tea

I'm at work but I ate before I came, which is rare

so not hungry for once

[manic latch]

I usually get daily sanctions

Now it's cursed hotdog

[spring briar]

Pepsi

[manic latch]

Lukas Timothy

[manic latch]

Nut

[maiden citrus]

pepsi

[strong plank]

Who the fuck is out here shittalking pickles

[frigid karma]

maka

[maiden citrus]

I doubt 'I don't like pickles' is harsh enough to count

[tribal mortar]

Jets when

[spiral cedar]

When revenue starts falling

[spiral cedar]

There's an interesting passage in Exploding Fuel Tanks about fuel tank protection innovations in the late 30s/early 40s

The Germans had led the world in fuel tank protection research in the late 30s (due in part to a relative advantage in associated plastics/rubber technology)

The Brits came around to the idea and started investigating fuel tank protection of their own

Naturally, they tested against their own round, the .303

[tribal mortar]

I think Boxer, Ocean and Badoeng Bay would be the first ones to use jets if they were added

[spiral cedar]

By the Battle of Britain they were rushing to get fuel tank protection (plus pilot protection) installed on their aircraft

[frigid karma]

i mean

we do have jets

they're chinese ones tho

[tribal mortar]

That's Chinese exclusive event

[spiral cedar]

In 1940 one of the downed German bombers with an intact fuel tank was picked apart and studied by UK and US engineers

The US used the information to further their own ongoing fuel tank protection research

However, the US standard was the .50 cal

Which meant that, unlike the .303 protected British tanks, the US had to deal with a much more powerful round

Initially they just expected to have to deal with a bigger hole in the tank

But instead of the neat hole in the aluminum tank wall, the .50 cal rounds would instead knock an entire panel off

So they had to develop a much thicker, multi-layered rubber system than anticipated

This added some weight, but more critically it cut into fuel capacity, by a significant amount

[frigid karma]

wouldn't they want to build it to defend against german/japanese rounds?

[spiral cedar]

The general rule in most militaries is to build to your own weapon standards

Since you normally only have poor data on enemy systems, and you think your own are the best

[frigid karma]

better safe than sorry, i see

[spiral cedar]

The result was that as the USN began pushing out aircraft to its new level of protection standards in the 1941-42, they had much less range than originally hoped for, due both to increased weight and decreased fuel capacity

On the plus side, later testing showed that the proofing against the .50 cal standard worked well against 20mm cannon shells as well, with even a shell detonating inside the fuel tank often failing to cause an explosion

None of this is to say the .50 cal is just as good as a 20mm in the postwar era—USN wanted 20mm as futureproofing even in some later wartime fighter designs—but it is an interesting case area where a "small arms" round, in a given context, is a threat more akin to a cannon round than other small arms rounds

[tough quail]

and american and russian tbf

[frigid karma]

you mean the siren copies

[tough quail]

the goofy su-57 and f-22 jet skins

from overture/hololive respectively

[frigid karma]

ah yes, those

[tough quail]

they got the goofy manju/tails respectively but close enough

[wet atlas]

I seem to recall one of the game's DE ships actually being from the Bronze Age, and is given a very hypothetical modernization. Can someone fact check that for me?

[strong plank]

Uhhh what?

First of all no, all of DE’s ships existed save for Harbin

second of all how the fuck would you “modernize” a Bronze Age ship

[frigid karma]

that bronze age thing is likely a meme

the oldest one is the 1890s

[wet atlas]

I dunno, you tell me. I mean, Royal Fortune exists, and she somehow operates like a submarine.

[strong plank]

Royal Fortune is a pirate ship

You don’t fucking

“Modernize” a wooden sail boat

[frigid karma]

buddy

since that is your name

do you know what time period royal fortune is from

compared to the bronze age

[strong plank]

hello yes I would like to modernize my wooden war club into a Colt 1911 please

[frigid karma]

your typical bronze age warship is probably smalller than the nearest tree around

ye olde wood carving ship

(paper hasnt been invented)

[wet atlas]

First off, yes, I know what era Royal Fortune is from. I'm not that stupid.
Second, I just wanted to check to make sure I understood what was what. You could have just left it as "it was likely a meme"

[frigid karma]

then why bring up royal fortune

also, you really need to think to yourself, did china have any recorded naval history around the bronze age larger than a hollowed log? before you ask such a question

would save a lot of time

[desert agate]

Calm down

[wet atlas]

It was a ship I had a definitive time frame for!

[desert agate]

Jeez mate you don't need to be so needlessly aggressive

You wonder why new people don't stick around

All of the Dragon Emerys ships existed in some form, the latest bunch that were added were from the 1890s and such

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_cruiser_Hai_Chi

[wet atlas]

Okay, thank. You. This is the answer I was looking for.

[frigid karma]

that's what i originally told him

[desert agate]

Part of the old imperial fleet

[frigid karma]

before he brought up royal fortune as some kind of whataboutism

[wet atlas]

No, you didn't. You immediately jumped on the offensive and got really fucking condescending with "Buddy, since that is your name"

[frigid karma]

lul no, scroll up

i only started getting pissy with you when you started going about royal fortune

who is not from the bronze age

[wet atlas]

Which started because Regal got pissy with me.

[frigid karma]

this would've sufficed

[desert agate]

Qwerty

Shut the fuck up

[shrewd pecan]

qwerty man chill

[wet atlas]

So, I offered a flippant, sarcastic response, and you started needlessly shitting on me like a goose with diarrhea.

[shrewd pecan]

god damn

[desert agate]

You gain nothing from this

[shrewd pecan]

tho with Royal Sovereign in the game

would be kinda cool to see one of Zheng He ships in the game

[strong plank]

My guy literally the first thing Qwerty said was “no, the earliest we have is 1890s”

[frigid karma]

also, this

[desert agate]

What is the point in continuing a pointless argument that has already been resolved regal?

[frigid karma]

😐

i'm

[desert agate]

You're being a dick qwerty

[frigid karma]

no this is just him being a dick about DE ships like everyone else on the server

[desert agate]

[frigid karma]

"har har stone age chinese ship doesn't deserve to be in the game"

[wet atlas]

Qwerty, I'm going to ask you kindly, but firmly, to piss off.

[frigid karma]

guarantee you this is where he got it from

[desert agate]

Qwerty try to say something coherent challenge (impossible)

[strong plank]

I’m just confused as to how the fuck someone thinks it’s possible to modernize a mass of wood and hide

[frigid karma]

not even the hide part

[desert agate]

Not everyone knows much about history mate

[frigid karma]

bronze age ships are literally just a log someone hollowed out

[wet atlas]

I was simply relaying some of the comments I skimmed, and all I wanted was a little clarification.

[frigid karma]

bronze age

[desert agate]

That is literally not how bronze age ships were built

[wet atlas]

And "bronze age" happened to be one that stuck in my head.

I am acutely aware of the difference between bronze age and Royal Fortune, well before you beat me over the head about it.

[frigid karma]

i directly answered your question without being annoyed on my first response

and, uh

[desert agate]

It is in fact possible to calmly and professionally inform someone that they may have a misinformed view on a topic without spazzing out like a fuckwit

[frigid karma]

you decided to respond with royal fortune as a counterpoint?

that's when i started getting pissed

you would know this if you scrolled up and actually read

[wet atlas]

Guess what?! I have! Four times now!

[desert agate]

You are arguing simply for the sake of argument

It is pointless

Cease

Desist

[wet atlas]

I was responding to Regal with a sarcastic, backhanded comment!

[strong plank]

You pinged me and implied something that’s wholly incorrect

[wet atlas]

Which was when you started treating me like a two-year-old!

[frigid karma]

😐

no that just sounds like you spouting some wildly incorrect shit

i don't see what was 'sarcastic' about it

[desert agate]

Hmmm #history has a problem of elitism and driving off new people
How should we correct this?
By having pointless arguments for the sake of absolutely nothing

[strong plank]

Perhaps I’m wrong but I generally imply being pinged as someone wanting a response

[dapper parcel]

[strong plank]

as it gives me a bright big number 1 that shows up on my Home Screen until I look at the message

[desert agate]

Alright all of you shut the fuck up before I ping mods for off topic

[wet atlas]

I was partially trying to start a discussion. I did not bank on the two of you throwing hissy fits.

[frigid karma]

Hit
this guy comes in asking an incredibly stupid question about china and bronze age
i tell him respectfully that no such ship exists, the oldest one is from 1890. Regal says as much.
This guy comes back in swinging responding with "bUt wHaT aBoUt rOyAl FoRtuNe"
how are we suppose to react to this guy acting like a blatant ass

[strong plank]

So forgive me for misinterpreting your bad attempt at sarcasm for genuine ignorance

[wet atlas]

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

[desert agate]

Buddy

I was referring to you as well

I will ping the mods because this is wholly off topic

This is a worthless discussion

Nothing is gained

[strong plank]

For the record I take a different issue than qwerty is rn

[wet atlas]

I accept your apology, Regal. Qwerty, I was asking a question for clarification, because the information I had in my head wasn't lining up with what seemed logical.

[desert agate]

Turn off discord, go play a game or something and cool off all of you because this is once again absolutely pointless

[strong plank]

Royal Fortune isn’t modernized

At all

[frigid karma]

i mean she got those tentacles lmfao

[wet atlas]

Okay, probably a poor choice of words with "modernized."

[frigid karma]

maybe observer lend leased those to her

[strong plank]

she‘s literally locked by the game into using her base equipment

So to use her as a comparison is

a rather poor choice

[frigid karma]

and the submerging thing is literally a forced limitation of her being in the sub fleet

[desert agate]

Tbf the Chinese ships are also locked out of using some equipment like AA guns

[frigid karma]

that's because some of them literally couldn't

i can still slap a triple 152mm dp gun on them

[strong plank]

that’s not exclusive to them as well

iirc some of the high seas ships also can’t

[desert agate]

That's a pirates of the Caribbean reference

[frigid karma]

it's not even remotely comparable, plenty of ships can't use torps/aa, RF is not only locked to DD only but also only to her 12 pounders

[strong plank]

I know some have an option

[wet atlas]

Was about to say the same thing. The whole "Up Is Down" shtick.

[desert agate]

Like did none of you pick up on RFs submerging thing being a reference?

[frigid karma]

is RF even in potc

[strong plank]

No

[desert agate]

I thought it was pretty obvious

[strong plank]

She’s not

[wet atlas]

I don't think so.

[desert agate]

No she isnt

[frigid karma]

ok

[desert agate]

But she does still heavily reference it

[frigid karma]

so why would i consider that a potc

[desert agate]

With the submerging and shit

[strong plank]

Ehhhh

[desert agate]

And tentacles

[frigid karma]

ah yes

potc invented tentacles

and pirates

[strong plank]

I wouldn’t consider those references

[frigid karma]

[wet atlas]

When I saw her, I felt like there was some reference to be made, but school left me too mentally exhausted to put any effort into deciphering it.

[desert agate]

It's a reference to the theme regardless

[strong plank]

Is every pirate media a reference to pirates of the Caribbean bc it popularized the genre?

[frigid karma]

i'd argue the only reference that rf has to potc is the submerging thing

but, uh

[desert agate]

How many other pieces of mass media have pirate ships submerging from the ocean covered in tentacles?

Not many

[strong plank]

The Dutchman didn’t have tentacles?

[desert agate]

The crew did

[wet atlas]

By proxy, probably. Kind of like the Bacon Number. Everything can be traced back to "X" entity with enough degrees of separation.

[strong plank]

only like a few of them

[desert agate]

It still fits

[strong plank]

And even then like

[desert agate]

The theme

[strong plank]

Manjuu has a sea creature fetish

[frigid karma]

hit, that is a stretch

[desert agate]

Anyway my point is that she's submerging not because she's forced to

[frigid karma]

also

[desert agate]

But because it's referencing some tropes from the genre

[frigid karma]

pirates of the caribbean is not popular at all in china

Disney's long-running Pirates of the Caribbean franchise has long had a rocky reception in China with its second instalment, Dead Man's Chest, being totally banned for including scenes of cannibalism and ghosts.

However, after the casting of hugely popular Hong Kong actor Chow Yun-fat as Asian pirate lord Sao Feng, the series' third instalment looked certain to be a hit with Chinese audiences.

This optimism proved to be short-lived when Chinese censors insisted that Disney make enormous cuts for the film to be released at all. These cuts involved removing almost all scenes that featured Feng.

Although no official reason was given, it was allegedly due to Feng's appearance being too close to Chinese stereotypes and the insinuation that Singapore was well-known hub for piracy.

Unsurprisingly, following the removal of one of the film's main characters, the resulting edit was roundly criticised for being almost impossible to follow.

and this is still a chinese game first and foremost

if i had to guess, subs were preprogrammed to have a swimming in animation that had them under the water with a filter

[desert agate]

If Yostar only did stuff that was popular in China then rip like... half of the skins in the game that reference stuff that's explicitly American or European

[frigid karma]

obviously just having rf walk in with that underwater filter would look weird

so they just made her underwater

RF is also not american

[desert agate]

Did I say she was?

[frigid karma]

she's a pirate, so she references pirate stuff

[strong plank]

I mean they do, don’t they?

[desert agate]

Is that what I said?

[frigid karma]

yes, and because of this you couldn't just have rf walking in

[strong plank]

Oh I see what you mean

[frigid karma]

since it would look weird as fuck

so they just made her swimming

[strong plank]

It’s programmed for the class as a whole, not individually for each character

[frigid karma]

yea

[wet atlas]

I mean, Minnie's skateboarding outfit (eXtreme Games) is kind of an on-the-nose reference to the Summer X Games, which Minneapolis hosted in 2016 and 2017.

[frigid karma]

the bigger issue is why the fuck they made her a sub character kekw

[desert agate]

Because it's a trope reference and she couldn't fit anywhere else

[frigid karma]

the cultural disconnect isn't the main reason why i brought that up

[wet atlas]

And you have Enty making the "Live Long and Prosper" hand sign in the art for her motorcycle outfit

[frigid karma]

look

[strong plank]

Because she wouldn’t fit anywhere else

[frigid karma]

enty's name is directly associated with star trek

[desert agate]

It wouldn't make sense to have her as a cruiser or destroyer or battleship

[frigid karma]

minnie the city hosted those games

but

RF isn't in potc

the only connection she has to potc is pirate ships

[desert agate]

But as a submarine where there is an explicit trope of pirate ships emerging from the ocean

[frigid karma]

[desert agate]

It makes sense to put her there

[strong plank]

Only one ever does that btw

[desert agate]

Only one in potc

[frigid karma]

look even if they intended for her to be a potc reference

[wet atlas]

And both the X Games and Star Trek were popularized in America.

[strong plank]

Again

[desert agate]

There's other pirate media where ships emerge from the ocean

[strong plank]

Again

[frigid karma]

there's literally no other refernces

to potc

[desert agate]

But potc was the most popular thing I could bring up off handedly

[frigid karma]

she's a walking reference to HER CAPTAIN

[wet atlas]

Further debunking the "Chinese game = only Chinese references" line I'm sensing here

[frigid karma]

not potc

[strong plank]

Is it a reference to a specific property because that property is the most popular

[frigid karma]

that was a supplementary piece of evidence, not my core one jfc

stop harping over it

and even so i sufficiently refuted you by stating that your counterexamples all make sense because those ships are directly connected via their names, while rf is NOT

[desert agate]

Rf is a reference to tropes of the genre, which potc helped to popularise

The existed before potc

[wet atlas]

At any rate, only people who know...probably a little too much about IRL pirate history will make the connection to Bartholomew whats-his-name on the first go. Otherwise, most people are gonna default to POTC

[desert agate]

But it helped

[strong plank]

a little too much

[autumn sorrel]

That kinda obscure fact to most people

[strong plank]

chief 90% of this community doesn’t even have their ww2 knowledge down

[frigid karma]

95

most came here because their nether regions told them to

let's be real

[strong plank]

We literally had someone ask in here yesterday how New Jersey was sunk

[wet atlas]

Sure feels nice being in that minority

Excuse me while I find something to whack my head with.

[autumn sorrel]

Maybe they read North Korean propaganda.

[frigid karma]

that was balti

[strong plank]

Yeah Baltimore was the big North Korean cope case

[frigid karma]

ah yes

that brings me back to the good old days of 1 week ago

we were reading the at the time brand new opsi files

[wet atlas]

As a resident r/NCD lurker, copium is a helluva drug

[desert agate]

Man

[frigid karma]

when we read about the hawaii missile crisis in Al world

which means

north korea exists in AL

[desert agate]

I remember when NCD was good

[frigid karma]

NCD is a shitfest right now

[wet atlas]

Hawaii missile crisis?

You're implying that it wasn't a shitfest before?

[strong plank]

DPRK: “We have sunk your heavy cruiser Baltimore you stupid Americans”
Baltimore, stateside at the time: “damn, first I’m hearing about it”

[frigid karma]

getting into an argument about china with anyone is just

[desert agate]

Ncd has been a shitfest for the last 18 months since it blew up on the front page

[frigid karma]

arguing with poorly closeted racists

[desert agate]

It was actually good when it was sub 10k

[frigid karma]

kek

the fate of any good server

you get one good post per every 100 that's not mindlessly wanking the US

"1911 good give me upvotes"

[desert agate]

Old NCD would have clowned so hard on the NCD of today

[strong plank]

It does produce some gems now and then

[wet atlas]

Any subreddit whose main gimmick is being unusually attracted to a fighter jet like it's an episode of My Strange Addiction is gonna be a shitfest.

[frigid karma]

no old NCD was still a shitfest

but it was an entertaining shitfest

not the normie garbage we have today

[desert agate]

Old ncd was a shitfest with sometimes good takes

[wet atlas]

I have to admit, I catch myself giggling at the VARK chains every now and then

[frigid karma]

like

[desert agate]

F-111 Pig my beloved

[frigid karma]

old NCD was a shitfest, but there was life in that shitfest

[autumn sorrel]

I am afraid I am not following anyone here, what is NCD?

[frigid karma]

non-credible defense

a subreddit

[strong plank]

Anyway, a little off topic here

[frigid karma]

but yea NCD is mostly trash now

[wet atlas]

Military-centric shitposting, and it has ruined my sense of humor.

[timber raptor]

Anthropoid or the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich

[wet atlas]

Who?

[timber raptor]

The butcher of Prague

[frigid karma]

i remember, one time i got into an argument over someone about chinese military capabilities

and this dude literally thought

[strong plank]

“One time”

Qwerty you did that this afternoon

[frigid karma]

if the US lost all their nuclear capabilities, they could still conduct a conventional invasion of China

[autumn sorrel]

Press X to doubt

[frigid karma]

while the chinese had full nuclear capabilities

[strong plank]

Ok ok yeah that’s a no

if both sides lacked nukes tho…

[autumn sorrel]

That's sound so stupid it feel like shitpost

[desert agate]

Y'all remember divestthea10

[wet atlas]

It'd either have to be both with nukes or neither.

The A-10 bashing is still on and off.

[strong plank]

It wouldn’t be easy but it’d be possible

[desert agate]

Divestthea10 was a celebrity of old ncd

Absolute cunt

Hated the FAL/L1A1/SLR with a passion

[frigid karma]

counterpoint

[wet atlas]

Ope, here we go.

[frigid karma]

atamonica drew a waifu veresion

[strong plank]

The warthog’s a piece of shit don’t get me wrong

[frigid karma]

the warthog kills british people

[strong plank]

it’s an oddly aesthetically pleasing piece of shit though

[frigid karma]

Hit, you should love this plane

wait, Hit is legally british too

warthog is gonna ara ara him

[strong plank]

Trust nobody, not even yourself

[autumn sorrel]

Tbf, American kinda dick when request the 7.62 ammo requirement

[wet atlas]

Atamonica gave a lot of birds the gijinka treatment

[spring briar]

Why

[strong plank]

The US/NATO was still figuring out the optimal commie-cartridge

[autumn sorrel]

AK purist probably

[spring briar]

[strong plank]

Richy please don’t kill me that was a joke

[frigid karma]

12.7

[strong plank]

I don’t want to be found dead in my home next to 5.56 ballistic tables

[frigid karma]

the standard nato caliber should be 12.7 for anything

[spring briar]

Also about the warthog
It’s got great loitering capability

[frigid karma]

Can't carry 200 rounds of 12.7 with a stinger? get out of the army weakling

[spring briar]

Thats about it

[wet atlas]

Isn't the XM5 some other cartridge besides 5.56 and 7.62?

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, the belgium and brit did have intermediate catridge and prototype gun, it just American thing to prove they have the biggest stick

[frigid karma]

can't shoulder fire this thing?

weak

we peaked in firearms development nearly 80 years ago

[wet atlas]

I guess you could in theory...probably wouldn't end very well.

[strong plank]

Yeah the biggest stick

That’s why they uh

checks notes

Sized down from 30-06

[wet atlas]

You're tellin' me that's the BAR?

[strong plank]

No that’s a stinger

[autumn sorrel]

You mean when less overcomplicated gun but thing that a welder can make in his own workshop

[wet atlas]

When you phrase it like that, it sounds like a death trap.

[strong plank]

The stinger is basically if a M3 browning and a BAR fucked

[wet atlas]

Ew, thanks for that imagery.

[strong plank]

literally just

[frigid karma]

no

it's an m1919

modified for planes

then stolen by marines

then modified for infantry

mostly by adding a bipod

and a garand stock

[shrewd pecan]

isn't the M3 browning the higher fire rate M2 meant for aircraft

or is there some M1919 variant that shares the same designation for some god forsaken reason

[wet atlas]

I thought the M1919 was a shotgun

[strong plank]

Yeah no you’re right

[frigid karma]

no

the m1919 was always a mmg

[strong plank]

TLDR the stinger is an aircraft-mounted m1919 that’s shoulderable

[frigid karma]

you are thinking of the m1987

[strong plank]

Anyway

[autumn sorrel]

I still like the fact that US modify their shotgun to have bayonet mount

[strong plank]

Anyone else see Rapid Dragon

yeah why wouldn’t we

[frigid karma]

what's the reason why you wouldn't add a bayonet

[wet atlas]

I was close. I was thinking of MKA 1919

[frigid karma]

they're cheap as shit and help when you're out of ammo

[strong plank]

Scares the shit out of the enemy too

[wet atlas]

There's a reason the Marines still use 'em.

[shrewd pecan]

bayonets are still widely issued

main thing is just the training for them

[frigid karma]

yeah everyone uses them

easy close quarters weapon

[strong plank]

Hell the Brits attempted a bayonet charge in Afghanistan

[frigid karma]

bayonet charges aren't used too often...but the french did

[autumn sorrel]

Which scare the shit out of the taliban

[strong plank]

I don’t even want to think about the nightmare of bayonet fighting with an L85

[frigid karma]

bosnian war

[wet atlas]

Of course the Fr*nch did it

[shrewd pecan]

believe the Marine Corps is the only branch still doing bayonet training since everyone moved away from it to focus upon other things

[frigid karma]

https://www.wearethemighty.com/popular/modern-bayonet-charge/

[spring briar]

[strong plank]

I can’t imagine bayonet+bullpup is a fun combo

[spring briar]

Soyboy american

[wet atlas]

I'm part German for a reason.

[timber raptor]

I’m Norwegian American with Irish blood

[frigid karma]

German

[wet atlas]

Scottish, Irish, Polish, German, Norwegian

[spring briar]

You’re part cringe

[autumn sorrel]

Well, you can shorten it by saying you're American

[frigid karma]

Oi

[strong plank]

At least M4s look neat when fully kitted out

[frigid karma]

What about the natives

[strong plank]

any time I see a picture of Felin I die a little inside

[shrewd pecan]

I mean if you want to die looking at something French

[spring briar]

Do it tato

[spring briar]

[shrewd pecan]

HALO COMBAT EVOLVED

[strong plank]

I need a weapon

[shrewd pecan]

the grenade launcher-rifle combos

[spring briar]

Thats a portable toaster

[shrewd pecan]

are my favorite area in gun design

[autumn sorrel]

They lost

[shrewd pecan]

XM29 in particular

one of my favorites

just so dumb

[autumn sorrel]

This actually look less offensive than all of the above

[shrewd pecan]

the first one I posted is the PAPOP

[strong plank]

“GOD FUCKING DAMMIT PRIVATE YOUR RIFLE POINTS TOWARD THE ENEMY NOT YOUR BROTHERS. UNFUCK YOURSELF THIS INSTANT”

[shrewd pecan]

which is the French take on the concept

[spring briar]

Guys we need to deploy our troops with black powder rifles with massive height over bore scopes for long range sniping

[shrewd pecan]

Koreans had their own take on it

[spring briar]

K11

Iirc

[shrewd pecan]

same with the Chinese

[autumn sorrel]

Correct if I am wrong but Korean is the only one that actually adopt, right?

[wet atlas]

I'm confused just looking at that shit

[shrewd pecan]

QTS-11 is the only one to actually make into service

tho K11 was briefly adopted

then unadopted

[frigid karma]

Do we have attack helicopters named after white races

[spring briar]

I am French, how confused do you think I get every day looking at my heritage

[frigid karma]

[spring briar]

[strong plank]

Airburst grenades

Cool concept

[shrewd pecan]

that's a entire can of warms I would not open here unless you're willing to argue about it tbh

[spring briar]

@maiden citrus

[strong plank]

not really useful fighting insurgents in the desert

[autumn sorrel]

Which say something about the white race when they respect you enough to name something after you

[shrewd pecan]

honestly

the XM25

[frigid karma]

That’s a “no” then

Checkmate

[shrewd pecan]

would be extremely useful in both a conventional and asymmetric fight

its useful for clearing out defended positions

[shrewd pecan]

along with defilades

[wet atlas]

Which one's the XM25, again?

[strong plank]

I forget the circumstances but I remember early adopters not really knowing how to use em

[shrewd pecan]

yeah

[shrewd pecan]

I posted the cooler one

[spring briar]

Slow

[wet atlas]

Oh, EW.

[spring briar]

See

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, you are trying to make a multitask gun, which is a good concept but put into practice, not so much

[spring briar]

We all produce boxes

[wet atlas]

That shit needs to go into the forever box

[shrewd pecan]

the army still wants something like the XM25

[maiden citrus]

I got pinged for a nice standard but that is indeed a topic

[strong plank]

Hey hey now Richy

The XM25 was HK

[shrewd pecan]

I'm largely guessing they're not ready to open that type of can of warms

[spring briar]

[strong plank]

the US is only partially to blame for its ugliness

[frigid karma]

Wat was the xm1?

[spring briar]

Regal where are you from

[frigid karma]

Garand?

[strong plank]

how do you mean

[spring briar]

What state

[strong plank]

Where do I live or where was I born

[frigid karma]

A state of depression

Given he’s in alo

[spring briar]

Live

[strong plank]

Virginia

[spring briar]

Acceptable state

[shrewd pecan]

I think the most cursed out of the rifle-grenade launcher combos

[strong plank]

God imagine being the dude in the XM8 trials

[shrewd pecan]

is probably the Canadian one

[strong plank]

Who recommended HK make it look “more starship troopers”

[wet atlas]

Go figure

[shrewd pecan]

just

why

[hushed saffron]

....

[shrewd pecan]

PAPOPs interesting looking at least

[hushed saffron]

why

[spring briar]

[wet atlas]

Can't trust our northern neighbors to do anything right, except hockey and breakfast.

[spring briar]

[autumn sorrel]

It is a whole new level of curse

[shrewd pecan]

this is just on another level

[hushed saffron]

why is the launcher above and behind the barrel?

[strong plank]

Why does that look like a giant MP7 with an overslung grenade launcher

[strong plank]

the Garand is Canadian so you know

[shrewd pecan]

it very much could be

I know next to nothing about it

[wet atlas]

Reasons that are probably better left not discussed

[spring briar]

So you can airburst by firing the gun after you fired the grenade

[shrewd pecan]

beyond it exists

[spring briar]

[wet atlas]

Garand is the exception to the rule

[shrewd pecan]

tho I still wonder to this day why no ones bothered attempting to make a M320 capable of airburst

[strong plank]

plus there’s the skink

the skink fucked

[wet atlas]

The what?

[spring briar]

Canada makes good sniper rifles

They fuck

[strong plank]

No he means the skink

it’s an anti-air Sherman

[shrewd pecan]

listen if there's no Canadian arms development

[wet atlas]

Are there any other Sherman mods I should know about?!

[spring briar]

We need a recoilless rifle that can fire 40mm bofors tbh

[shrewd pecan]

there is no stryker

or LAV-700

[strong plank]

Ok but counterpoint

[frigid karma]

Holy fuck the army has really gone hard with weight saving programs

[autumn sorrel]

Depend on which country

[strong plank]

we get spared the MGS program

[wet atlas]

YES

[frigid karma]

Dozens of tons to a few pounds

[frigid karma]

Don’t weightshame the poor Abrams

[frigid karma]

Delete this

Or cia will burn your house down

[wet atlas]

Looks like one of those bikes you'd ride as a toddler

[spring briar]

The only thing to shame on the abrams is its age

[hushed saffron]

There is a shermy for every possible situation.

[autumn sorrel]

It is stupid and effective, but it is still stupid

[timber raptor]

Cemetery in Italy for U.S. soldiers

[strong plank]

M2 Schwarzkopf when

[timber raptor]

Nay

[wet atlas]

Anzio?

[timber raptor]

Yeah

[shrewd pecan]

it responded to the wrong message

oops

[hushed saffron]

Sometime in the 2100s.

[shrewd pecan]

never

[strong plank]

actually is it bad that I kinda want the MPF to be named the Gavin just so sparks suffers an aneurysm

[wet atlas]

Three guesses as to how I knew.

[autumn sorrel]

When they cannot upgrade the Abram anymore

[frigid karma]

The year is 40001. The m1a8204e3 Abrams makes her initial deployment as a hovercraft on the battlefields of Pluto

[shrewd pecan]

all you need is 75 ton abrams will full add on armor package

[wet atlas]

The AbramsX actually looks sexy

[strong plank]

it’s a tech demonstrator

[autumn sorrel]

I seriously think there are Abrams somewhere in 40k

[strong plank]

it’s job is to look sexy

[wet atlas]

For now.

[frigid karma]

Nah

[shrewd pecan]

I kinda doubt the Abrams X is really gonna go anywhere

tho parts of it likely will

[strong plank]

Yeah

That’s the whole point of it anyway

[frigid karma]

We have 50 cals but those are incredibly cheap full auto alternatives to lasguns

[shrewd pecan]

I feel the 30 MM RWS is gonna become common place in particular

[frigid karma]

There is nothing an Abrams does that a 40k battle tank can’t do better

Or half the armored infantry to begin with..

[autumn sorrel]

Las weapon make sense logistic wise

[frigid karma]

Again

[strong plank]

yo Tato did you see any of the new Rapid Dragon stuff yet

[frigid karma]

The lasgun is 99.9% better than the browning

[shrewd pecan]

I have a shit post for it

that I sadly can't post without cropping

[frigid karma]

The brownings are just there to deal with unarmored masses of infantry on poorly supplied planets

[shrewd pecan]

tho in particular

[strong plank]

Gentlemen I am pleased to announce that any cargo aircraft in the USAF can now use cruise missiles

[hushed saffron]

It's shorter?

[frigid karma]

Abrams has no such niche

[wet atlas]

Too many things in the US military are relegated to just test beds. F-15S/MTD, F/B-22, AbramsX, a good chunk of things from the Cold War, etc

[shrewd pecan]

the ability to dump 40+ JASSMs out of a C-130

[frigid karma]

Some of the more cracked marines are shorter

[shrewd pecan]

FB-22 never got made nor was it a test bed

it was intended as a supplement for the rest of the bomber fleet

[strong plank]

AbramsX isn’t really a testbed either

It’s not something the army had made

[shrewd pecan]

but got dropped in favor of B-21

[strong plank]

it’s GDLS strutting its stuff

[wet atlas]

Acceptable

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, put the Russ stupid out of proportion model aside, some artwork from Armageddon the game actually show a better size Russ that look less stupid

[strong plank]

Qwerty you’ve heard of rapid dragon right

[hushed saffron]

OH JESUS CHRIST

[shrewd pecan]

there's like a video of it forever ago

being used to release air decoys

[wet atlas]

Rapid Dragon is the right balance of stupid and brilliant

[shrewd pecan]

generally

I can see it being used for a lot more past JASSM

[strong plank]

https://youtu.be/aLt-R7awZ78

I mean it makes perfect sense

[shrewd pecan]

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