history

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I need books

[spring briar]

you know

these

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Yeah but looks different inside

three DM-6 6-meter stereo rangefinders

So Kirov use 6 meter while Soyuz 8

[spring briar]

it's only the subcaliber projectile

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Soyuz gun stealth

[spring briar]

also, this is a nice picture

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Rich

Did you find that on a Russian site

[spring briar]

why you ask

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I happen to find that image as well

[spring briar]

well, yes

it's a nice picture

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I love this one

"What if Soviets go full Ansaldo"

Budget Veneto for Soviet Navy

While giving Soviets easier experience on building their first BB

[spring briar]

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Phoenix will love this

And yes it's using Italian 381mms as well

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what the hell is this

WoWs Borodino but with Littorio guns? lol

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Artist said "Budget Veneto"

I think weight was like 27k?

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Are the Iowa’s 16 inch main guns still usable?

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Second turret is broken

Others should work with some fixes I think

[spring briar]

Evstafiev

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Interesting so USS Cambria is considered the first USN ship to be named after a foreign nations capital but the USA had a ship call USS Cairo in 1862

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Cairo

City in Illinois

So.
American

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Thought Cairo was the capital city of Egypt since the 900s

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Cairo is the lead ship of the City-class gunboats and named for Cairo, Illinois

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I see

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Now her wreck is chillin

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History is funny really

This thing gives Zumwalt vibes

Despite the almost 2 centuries of difference

[spring briar]

Damage to Evstafiev by Goeben

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US and CS iron clad are da sheep

[spring briar]

I just think they're neat

[tough quail]

swell

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Midilli was lured into range of Imperatritsa Mariya's guns the next day when the cruiser pursued the Russian destroyer Schastlivy, but she managed to escape with only splinter damage

Lucky little Goeben

How close is a splinter damage from 305mm

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it's survivable

[dark spade]

Looking at the purchase date it was named after an Russian City than

Wait no that's the Aulution islands

[spring briar]

Aleutians

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It is in the area of Southern Illinois known as Little Egypt.

So name related to capital of Egypt

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I totally miss read that as illilusion

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That means we can also name a ship berlin because nevada had a town called Berlin

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I mean we can have a ship named idiotville

[spring briar]

180 mm armor-piercing projectile stuck in ship armor 130 mm thick.

I believe it might be a 203mm shell though

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https://twitter.com/navalinstitute/status/1576231502597484544

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

Happy 98th Birthday to submariner LT James Earl Carter, USN (Ret). Carter is the only President of the United States to have graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy. The Seawolf-class fast-attack submarine USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23) is named in his honor.

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Oh that’s jimmy cartwr

I was wondering who James carter was

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Lukas Timothy

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https://twitter.com/Australian_Navy/status/1576436826616782848?s=20&t=oHZ4Q0sHQzF-5jEqUEhM7A

Royal Australian Navy (@Australian_Navy)

#ICYMI | #HMASSydney & #HMASPerth joined ships from @RoyalCanNavy, @jmsdf_pao_eng, #ROKNavy and the @USNavy to test their maritime warfare skills during Exercise Pacific Vanguard 2022. @DefenceAust #AusNavy #YourADF

Twitter · Oct 2, 2022, 5:00 AM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1576323933355540481?s=20&t=oHZ4Q0sHQzF-5jEqUEhM7A

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

In 1943, a huge wave washed Seaman Apprentice John Urtchok off the deck of a destroyer. After bobbing in the rough seas for 40 minutes, he completed a mid-ocean ship transfer when another huge wave lifted him onto the deck of a different destroyer.
#SeaStorySaturday

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Twitter · Oct 1, 2022, 9:31 PM

[maiden citrus]

when god reassigns you

[solemn breach]

“Pssst. This one has pizza for dinner”

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wonder if they ransomed him back or not

or if that was only for larger ships like carriers and BBs

probably the latter

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they probably took him back to his original posting once sea conditions were better

or maybe not who knows

[alpine onyx]

Neptune reassigned him to a different ship

Would you really want to go against his will?

Or they did, and got Cobra as a thanks

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so long he doesn't get dressed up/hazed like a plane that landed on a different carrier...

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@spring briar
Found interesting quote in Soyuz book.
By French Minister of Maritime Pietri. 1935

"Among the representives of the fleet, not a single voice will rise against Battleships; they constantly experienced all the inventions that tried to make them dissappear. Trying to do without battleships in present is like trying to do without infantry in a land war. The battleship gives us maximum invulnerability, which makes it the most effective means of defense. The claims of aviation fleet is sheer absurdity. One should not believe that an airplane will ever be able to replace a battleship. Maybe one day aircraft will be able to replace destroyers or cruisers in fulfilling their tasks, but two classes of ships will avoid this fate: the submarine and the battleship."

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he was right about one of those

50% isnt bad

[spring briar]

he couldn't have known about missiles

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I mean, if you're talking about aircraft only and ignoring more advanced munitions, he isn't exactly wrong about battleships either

Only once the armor was invalidated and the need for heavy guns to deal with armor went away, the role of the battleship simply ceased to matter

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mhm

guns were -in 1935- simply too superior compared to rockets

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In 1914, there were twelve armament firms capable of building major warships. By 1933, only Vickers remained capable of doing large orders for major war vessels

Oof

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Cook on French battleship Iéna

@spring briar

Charles Martel

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Gawd it's weird

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yes thats French pre dreds for you

Masséna

Marceau

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https://twitter.com/JacquesOmnes/status/1576535801231716352?t=Nrvd34qu-Dopt4s8Zz-PCQ&s=19

OMNES Jacques (@JacquesOmnes)

#Marine #Brest Le 3 octobre 1935, L'Ouest-Eclair publiait un article sur la mise à flot, la veille, du cuirassé #Dunkerque à Brest. Mal lui en prit... 1/4

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Twitter · Oct 2, 2022, 11:33 AM

Out of curiosity, any particularly hot takes in this article?

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heh.

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lol

[spring briar]

I love you all

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sus

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In 1933. Stalin wrote to Kaganovich:

"The French are crawling to us for intelligence. Our aviation interests them because it is well established. We are strong in that field. Cooperation is acceptable, but we have to make it conditional on Cooperation in the field of warships, especially submarines and torpedo boats where we are relatively weak....If French do not agree, give them a polite but transparent hint that without naval cooperation we shall consider cooperation impossible."

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After the signature in 1933 of the Italo-Soviet treaty of friendship, the Soviets placed contracts in Italy for patrol boats, torpedoes, plans for battleships , and cruisers, cruiser engines, anti aircraft guns and a destroyer. These orders probably amounted to the most Italian firms could handle while Italy rearmed. Even so, the formation of the Rome-Berlin Axis brought sales to an end.

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Admiral Henderson blocked a proposed joint venture between Vickers and a private French shipbuilding, Chantiers de la Loire, to build in Soviet Union a 16-inch gun battleship

In 21 December 1936, Admiral Henderson told the Soviet naval attache that sending British draftsmen and engineers to Russia to assist with building of the Red Fleet was impossible

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Can't imagine why /s

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Tho in 1937s. British go "perhaps we were too harsh" etc. Then offers Soviets technical assistance for 15 inch and 6 inch weapons. While uhhh learning where Soviets use these I assume.

So in May 1937, head of the Red Fleet Admiral Vladimir M Orlov, who was a officer in Tsar's navy (action is coming), arrived in London and was given grand tour of warships and facilities.

Admiral Henderson regaled him with the tactical and technical cool stuff of the 6 inch gun. And Orlov seemed convinced. (British was unhappy with Kirovs having 7.1 inch guns so trying to make Soviets pick 6 inch instead). Tho belief of Orlov would change the cruiser designs for British 6 inch died since on 10 July Admiral Orlov was arrested

[spring briar]

arrested

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I mean

switching to 6" would be an upgrade

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Ye got executed 1 year later

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fucking 3 guns 1 hoist Soviet design competence

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I wonder if as triple or double tho

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Well biggest fault of design inexperience was.
While other nations designed the ship around the gun

Soviet Union were building the hulls while designing the gun

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lol

no

not the problem

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the problem was deciding that axing one of the 2 hoists per mount was a worthy tradeoff to add an extra gun

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Wonder what happened to the guy who proposed that

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Kirov as built is just... Really a bloody disaster

Bad to the point that your designer is arrested is just next level incompetence

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the fact they even got it to the production stage

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Could be interesting ye. Leander style

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bs like that would normally be filtered out during R&D

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Kremlin

Real question

Why is the 1/42 Ajax where it is now

The bloody builder model of all things

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perhaps it was for sale

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Yeah I don't know

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Well best Tsar era engineers and designers were left. And remaining ones got Gulaged. So only young students remained

So Soviets tried to get most foreign assistance they could

[spring briar]

you should've killed Stalin when you had the chance

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Nah he may be necessary for ww2 dunno

Dunno if Tro would do better

Yeah Trotsky timeline would be interesting

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Ah. One more thing. What's with the silly inverted inclined belt thing on one of the 1916 BBs? Smells like an invite to easier plunging fire.

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Plunging fire in 1916s?

[spring briar]

the 300mm and 250mm plates

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There was some sort of justification as I recall

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|
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like this

[tough quail]

yeah im gonna agree that they needed to keep stalin around for ww2

and because trotsky was a more extroverted psychopath

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Captain Stasievich's views that Soviet Warships should be bigger and better armed than any others to offset other technical weaknesses.

[eternal veldt]

This shit

Just why?

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weight

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Looks better for close range like turtlebacka tho ngl

[tough quail]

the issue was not putting a bullet in stalin's head the second after the germans surrendered

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Now we know why Kron and Soyuz big girls

[spring briar]

stalin dying but he's chekov's gun

every time he is shown on screen he must die

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lmao

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Yeah replace him with Soyuz in 1930

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Zhukov becomeds leader

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[tough quail]

unironically please

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Make friends with Eisenhower

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extremely based

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Cold War averted

[tough quail]

we could've just skipped the fucking cold war

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Cola factory in Soviet Union

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only the sheer immense homoeroticism brought forth by zhukov and eisenhower being the respective heads of state can save this callous world

[spring briar]

cease right there

[tough quail]

no u

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Molotov's brother in law, Sam Carp, who set up a company in New York to buy US technology. Made contacts with suppliers

"Carp requested not only guns, armour and turbines BUT also drawings for and finished examples of 16 inch gun battleships. With NO LIMIT IN SIZE, that will be " More modern and up to date and better than anything now afloat, designed, or contemplated"

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And this is how Kearsarge was born

You had one job Carp

[tough quail]

he forgot to include "please don't design it while on meth"

[chilly osprey]

Surprising no one, everything would have been more based without fascists and communists mucking everything up

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Roosevelt still wished to supply treaty standard battleships to Red Navy to counter Japanese. But US Navy was against this.

In June 1938, one of the only two occasions that he spoke to American Ambassador, Stalin complained that he could not see why US would not sell battleships and technical aid for Soviet shipyards when Soviet Union was "prepared to pay cash".

[tough quail]

cash

ah yeah here comes stalin rolling up in a literal fucking barge full of money

two north carolinas please

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[tough quail]

just starts throwing cartoon money bags onto the dock in new york

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Cold War becomes coke war

Eisenhower and Zhukov compete over who can drink more coke

Or sell it to Central America

[tough quail]

see

the industrial back and forth comes down to the US and USSR trying to one up each other on weird niche coke variants

[frigid karma]

Has anyone ever tried putting alcohol in coke

What’s the result

[spring briar]

France after the American war of independence:
"Look on my works ye mighty and despair"

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Coke is a great cocktail mixer and adds the perfect amount of fizz and sweetness. And vodka is so versatile that it pairs perfectly.

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No like

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Not as a mixer

Just straight up making alcoholic coke

Is that even possible

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No clue

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There is an old poverb

'Good fences make good neighbours'

Didn't worked for Maginot

Guess not a full fence

Smh

[tough quail]

something something annex the rhineland

foch did nothing wrong

etc etc etc

[spring briar]

go watch "all quiet on the western front" from 1930

and ye shall understand why ww2 was inevitable

[junior trench]

just let non-diet coke ferment

[humble mulch]

Mixing alcohol into soda is quite literally what they'd be if they were alcoholic drinks

Vodka would probably be the picked choice as it doesn't fuck with your soda flavor which is kinda your main selling point with soft drinks

If you go a more beer route tho you'd just make it a seltzer like white claw and trulys

Which is also incredibly enjoyable

Depends more or less if the company wants to get into the beer market, if speaking in US terms, which are more lounge around drinks, compared to the "let's get plastered!" Drinking culture found within younger and more ethnic groups here

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0FIBSSJywU

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Boundless and bare

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[spring briar]

lost soviet aesthetic

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Fits to Ozymandias really well

Look ye proletarian, and unite

Nothing beside remains

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https://twitter.com/navalinstitute/status/1576599757174079489

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1961, the battleship USS North Carolina collided with the floating seafood restaurant Fergus' Ark on the Cape Fear River in Wilmington. It was the second time a Navy vessel almost sank the restaurant (which had been a USCG barracks during WWII). A sub had hit it in 1955.

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Twitter · Oct 2, 2022, 3:47 PM

[spring briar]

Poor fergus

Can’t catch a break

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I wouldn’t be complaining about a shipload of nc butt

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I'd say

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North Carolina is big

[dapper parcel]

Meh, the owner basically asking for it. Tfw insurance scam involving a battleship...

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they referring to the kms here

i wonder why they had less resources than the wehrmacht

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because they're a subset of the wehrmacht

[spring briar]

@manic latch you got any info on the soviet subcaliber 8"?

(it's actually a vickers gun)

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Which one

I only know the 14 inch one

Then uhh there is this Vikcers 8/50 gun

Its shells

[spring briar]

nah, i got these already

nvm

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[spring briar]

[fierce sparrow]

[tepid mulch]

Can one swordfight all over an aircraft carrier, from the very bottom to the flight deck?

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Use ladders

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very slowly yes

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Love this quite some reason

[spring briar]

dumb quote

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means that, although soldiers may live into old age, their lives and accomplishments fade into oblivion

[spring briar]

which is a dumb quote

because writing exists

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MacArthur

Instant discard

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"My whole life has been the Soviet Navy. I made my choice when young and have never regretted it."
Nikolay Gerasimovich Kuznetsov

[chilly osprey]

Every MacArthur quote in history could be replaced with 'I am a massive [racist] piece of shit', and nothing of value would be lost

[eternal veldt]

"I deserve a noose"

[tepid mulch]

Pipe good

[strong plank]

Marines never die, they just go to heaven and regroup

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Macarthur died though

[strong plank]

…

[chilly osprey]

A) MacArthur was army

B) I thought Marines regroup in hell?

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Fisher commented, 'My mother was a most magnificent and handsome, extremely young woman....My father was 6 feet 2 inches..., also especially handsome. Why I am ugly is one of those puzzles of physiology which are beyond finding out'.

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1917 propaganda poster

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Kilometer

[cold pumice]

Does anyone still have the overall percent of tonnage the uboats sank

[chilly osprey]

iirc it was something like 1% of all trans Atlantic traffic?

I've had trouble finding total figures shipped over the period

What would really be useful is to compare it volume done by year

Because the later you go the more absurd the volume becomes

Ex, the Axis submarine effort in the Atlantic sunk, what, 14-15 million tons of shipping?

The RM, during it's co-belligerent period with the Allies (late 1943 to 1945) escorted 80 million tons of Allied shipping throughout the Mediterranean

The figures for general Atlantic traffic are likely far higher than that

[spiral cedar]

Depends on which time period you are looking at. From the start of the war (Sep 1939) to the US entry into the war (Dec 1941/Jan 1942, about 28 months) the UK lost about 5 million GRT (about 1124 ships of all types) and built or acquired 6 million GRT, ending the time period with about 21 million GRT of British-controlled merchant shipping. During this period, 98% of ships in each convoy to and from the UK arrived safely, a reflection of the fact that a) ships crossed multiple times and b) convoys were safer than individual ship crossings.

From the US entry into the war to August 1942, the Allies lost 3 million GRT (609 ships of all types), but with new construction and the addition of the US Atlantic merchant marine the Allied total was now about 30 million GRT. Throughout all of 1942, Allied production (7 million GRT) outpaced losses (6 million GRT).

From September 1942 to the end of the war (May 1945), the Allies lost 272 ships out of 43,526 in convoys, for a total loss rate of 0.6%. During this period the Allies produced 4,716 ships, adding 32 million GRT to their fleets. For all of 1942 to May 1945, loss rates of ships in transatlantic convoys in this period amounted to 0.7%.

[rare anchor]

Today history is
German Unity Day is took place on October 3 when two Germany become one Germany itself together

[junior trench]

A tragedy for Germany

[rare anchor]

Why is that for

[junior trench]

East Germany was an absolute mess and osties in unified German politics have been... Interesting

But it's mostly a joke

Mostly

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Tomorrow is October 4

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It’s Enty’s launch day today

[rare anchor]

Next up on history
Is 1993 Black October

It unknown why how it ends up like that

[inland thicket]

That Black October was a tragedy, the day a president illegally pulled a coup d'état on his lawfully elected government

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Death of the Supreme Soviet parliament yes

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https://twitter.com/DefenceAust/status/1577025863199096844?t=VxZ1qs_FYmcgvVpzsUhQ3A&s=19

Defence Australia (@DefenceAust)

Just plane awesome ✈️

Heritage aircraft from No. 100 Squadron took to the skies of Temora recently to conduct an air-to-air photography exercise, designed to capture imagery via aspects not normally observed from ground based photography. 📷

#YourADF

Twitter · Oct 3, 2022, 8:00 PM

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HMS Victoria firing a salvo

[eternal veldt]

Victoria's disaster was a masive shitshow, ngl

"preserve the order of the fleet" - one badly phrased order and 350+ men pay the price

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French battleship Bouvet in the Dardanelles campaign

@spring briar

French gun 27cm model 1870 in a Colbert-class ironclad in 1885

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Future guns if Man O War design never changed

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coastal defense ship Furieux at Brest dockyard in 1891

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@maiden citrus Cooks of the field kitchen of the Red Army cook sausage.  1944-1945

[spring briar]

Bouvet

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Have Kavkaz to be Happy Rich

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

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Loading of the Hedgehog multi-barreled bomb launcher (MBU) on the Soviet destroyer Zhivuchy

[spring briar]

Chassepot bullets

[zealous vine]

Ah wait, I misremembered this as an Atlanta-class design

I mean, it's Tzoli.. but please prove me wrong that this was actually thought up lol

[thorny plaza]

Cleveland with
Are the triple mounts supposed to be 6in or special triple 5in mounts?

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French military baker holding bread in Libya, 1941

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

High chance to be fake.

[spring briar]

triple 5"/38

[eternal veldt]

The US wanted a 6"/47 DP bad, even starting with the Atlantas.

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

going triple 5"/38 doesn't seem right at all.

The wooster was the ultimate result, which was...mediocre.

[spring briar]

Alaska

Wooster

wastes of money

[eternal veldt]

Also, that many turrets just screams insane top weight

And the Clevelands were already dangerously top heavy and cramped by the end of the war due to the amount of AA added

There's a reason why the Juneaus dumped the triple superfiring system alongside the wing turrets (already done on the Oaklands).

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[spring briar]

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The crew of the tank М4А2 "La Moscowa" of the 2nd French armored division, General Philippe Leclerc.

[rare anchor]

History of the day is
Black October of 1993
It starts it on September 21 and ends on October 4th
As they trying to create a new Constitution know as, Constitution of the Russian Federation. However during the coup tanks shoot at the Russian Parliament end up in a F up situation with the members.

This is led to Parliamentary elections and ending the the Soviet system of government in Russia

And creating of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
Which it still use today

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638074758084165632/1026887480315760680/speedisarmor.png

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

🤢

[spiral cedar]

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/58305752668022701c29010d005aa9eb0438f87d

Supposedly Albacore’s been found

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https://twitter.com/nichoconcu/status/1577380572577538049?s=46&t=SMRFjQj0vmYAs_PJ6H5cow

A-129 Mangusta (@NichoConcu)

Mini 🧵
According to Caiafa in a recent livestream;
Centauro II is by far the favorite in Brazil comp.
IDV in Sete Lagoas heavily gives the advantage (IDV is already producing Guarani and Lince, share of technology and making international parts with the Centauro is easy)

Twitter · Oct 4, 2022, 7:30 PM

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[spring briar]

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Seeing albacore gives me Jumpscare given server rule

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https://twitter.com/armeedeterre/status/1576103368237334529

Armée de Terre (@armeedeterre)

Alors team VAB ou team Griffon ? Nous, on choisit l'efficacité ✅

#JournéeInternationaleDuCafé ☕️ #MatosTerre

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▶ Play video

Twitter · Oct 1, 2022, 6:55 AM

[spring briar]

Ben ils font des blagues nos mecs

[rapid junco]

Roberto Caiafa
My favorite journalist on the defence area

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Coffee smh

[zealous vine]

Wtf

[strong plank]

Ford’s heading out on her first deployment

they grow up so fast

[tepid mulch]

You can now scream again

[rare anchor]

What is ship is it

[tough quail]

look at the top

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they almost took her naval gun out

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alabama's tank pets

[subtle prawn]

https://www.gd.com/Articles/2022/10/04/general-dynamics-business-units-to-participate-in-ausa-2022

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https://twitter.com/AllAboutM1A/status/1577430759236780032

M1 Abrams (@AllAboutM1A)

First glimpse at the new M1A2 SEP v4 which currently being tested at Yuma Proving Ground with the help of troopers from 2-12 CAV!!!

Source: Thunderhorse 2-12 Cavalry Regiment official Facebook page:
https://t.co/l9zWpxUijI

Twitter · Oct 4, 2022, 10:49 PM

[tepid mulch]

https://youtu.be/klDdnbtV8xE

Warning: Graphic violence and death

[strong plank]

oh thank god

AbramsX isn't as ugly as the render suggested

AbramsX: A main battle tank for the next generation, the AbramsX technology demonstrator features reduced weight for improved mobility and transportability, delivering the same tactical range as the M1A2 Abrams with 50% less fuel consumption. The AbramsX’s hybrid power pack supports the U.S. Army’s climate and electrification strategies, enhances silent watch capability and even allows for some silent mobility. With a reduced crew size and AI-enabled lethality, survivability, mobility, manned/unmanned teaming (MUM-T) and autonomous capabilities, AbramsX can be a key node in lethal battlefield networks and serve as a bridge from Abrams SEPv3 and SEPv4 to a future tank.

hopefully the autoloader isn't a carousel

seems it's a technology demonstrator, so not necessarily something the Army requested, but we could see some innovations make their way into future tanks

looks like GDLS is bringing some good stuff this year

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[tough quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527630118407897138/1027050186826072064/unknown.png

gaijoob y

[dusty kraken]

You got gaijined

The snail takes all as its victims

[tough quail]

what did the m1a1 do to get clubbed to death like this

[shrewd pecan]

did they actually take away the US's only 10.3 tank

[tough quail]

apparently

[shrewd pecan]

it has M829A1 now

👁️ I could do a full M1A1/M1A2 line up now

[tough quail]

i mean it's a uh

consolation prize i guess

for when it gets smeared by T-80Us with svinets at the same BR

because someone thought that was a good idea

[shrewd pecan]

a single man

should never be able to be this powerful

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-fortnite-battle-royale-thanos-marvel-gif-18688488

[frigid karma]

touch grass

[tough quail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/843478659625254933/891359544175894568/caption.gif

modern edition

[shrewd pecan]

shame I'm going to have to buy a new crew slot if a new abrams gets added

[frigid karma]

hey, if it fits in wot

[cinder escarp]

[frigid karma]

A survey conducted on the 2nd confirmed that most of the ship was covered with fishing gear such as nets
fitting, given the name

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/AWMemorial/status/1577463798180548608?t=BffCDQW2Cls_nDtE3RRjHw&s=19

Aust War Memorial (@AWMemorial)

#OnThisDay in 1918, Lieutenant George Mawby Ingram was awarded the Victoria Cross for his actions at Montbrehain, where he rushed an enemy post and captured nine machine-guns, killing 42 of the enemy in the process.

Learn more: https://t.co/JxrSv6cLFW

Twitter · Oct 5, 2022, 1:00 AM

[dusty kraken]

This is so sad can we get Jumbo 76 to 6.7

[frigid karma]

Tiger needs to drop to 4.3 from 5.3

[tough quail]

Tiger 2 you mean

[frigid karma]

Tiger to 2.0?

sounds good

[tough quail]

reserve pziv

[dusty kraken]

Reserve wirblewind pls

[frigid karma]

captured tiger

[cinder escarp]

Leopard 1 as reserve tonk

[manic latch]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1577387406684454912?t=SPRyfd3b7WkuxHttNC-n4g&s=19

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

It's #NationalVodkaDay! In 1979, USS Sam Houston fired an unarmed torpedo near Guam that entered international waters and was picked up by a Soviet trawler. After a long chase, Soviet and U.S. sailors met in the water where the torpedo was returned along with a bottle of vodka.

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Twitter · Oct 4, 2022, 7:57 PM

[manic latch]

I really hope they keep the 3 crew

Can't wait for older Abrams fans to explain how superior they are compared to new Abrams since older ones have 4 crew for repairs

[frigid karma]

TBH, i don't understand that aspect of the 3v4 argument

if you really deem the 4th person for repairs important, just throw a sleeping bag in there and have the 4th guy come out only for repairs

he has the bonus of not being fatigued from combat so he can focus on repairs or other miscellaneous water boy duties

[tepid mulch]

4th guy is there to brew coffee and cook sandwiches

[cinder escarp]

French put the 4th guy in an APC that is attached to the tank company

[solid mango]

Does anyone have any blueprints or atleast an image of the IJN 14cm / 50 3rd year type (without the casemate) cause i dont know what Im supposed to place here in the left side

[solid mango]

Damn, WoWs coming in at the qorse timing possible, ye nvm found a 3d model of the gun on the WoWs Kuma

[dusty kraken]

bring back the 5 guys in a tank loadout and have the 2 or 1 extra guy lie down like Saddam Hussein

[gilded girder]

Blowout panel but for the mechanic

When the tank gets damaged it just pops and they'd go straight to work

[rare anchor]

When Kashino want something modern naval guns

She can use this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5"/54_caliber_Mark_45_gun#Variants

[tough quail]

im sorry i know i should rejoice for the death of the turbine but

...why a fucking opposed piston flat six???

[strong plank]

it’s a technology demonstrator, maybe they just wanted to try a bunch of different stuff at the same time

[tough quail]

well they should try something less

bad

i cant think of anyone alive who goes

"you know what we need to emulate in 2022"

"the T-64 engine"

because the 5TDF definitely didnt make soviet mechanics want to kill themselves

[strong plank]

I mean isn’t the turbine engine better than most give it credit for?

iirc it’s main issue is fuel usage when idling

[maiden citrus]

yup

[tough quail]

im not getting into the turbine argument again because it's akin to arguing religion at this point

im just shocked that GD was somehow infuenced by kharkovite madness

[junior trench]

ok buddy

[strong plank]

I mean given if we assume that the “manned/unmanned teaming (MUM-T) and autonomous capabilities” part refers to an unmanned/optionally manned turret like we were speculating

[tough quail]

[strong plank]

It basically sounds like GDLS made an American Armata that uh

actually works

[tough quail]

yes, its a yuge step forward

i just dont understand their obsession with having the weirdest engine in the world no matter what

[strong plank]

it’s a demonstrator, but the army is running some studies on a 2030 tank concept

[tough quail]

im aware

[strong plank]

so I imagine they’ll be eyeing this and seeing what features they want

[manic latch]

I liked the cannon

[tough quail]

mmgun

[strong plank]

The Abrams cheeks survived

[junior trench]

The unmanned turret is painfully stupid and only "works" for Armata because Russian doctrine is to be buttoned up and blind to begin with. It's taken decades for any kind of panoramic vision device which isn't squinting through a periscope to show up, only they fucked that up right quick.

[manic latch]

Now smaller since no man

[tough quail]

i thought they were doing a two man turret ala legreg or did they back out of that

[strong plank]

So the site says a crew of 3

[junior trench]

there's 3 hull hatches

[strong plank]

I’m assuming the “autonomous capabilities” refers to the turret

[tough quail]

so they swapped to the armata layout after the initial renders

[strong plank]

With a reduced crew size and AI-enabled lethality, survivability, mobility, manned/unmanned teaming (MUM-T) and autonomous capabilities, AbramsX can be a key node in lethal battlefield networks and serve as a bridge from Abrams SEPv3 and SEPv4 to a future tank.

here’s the attached render

[junior trench]

considering SOP for facing down tanks in IFVs involves spraying them down with HE-Frag so fuck over optics, ignoring the obvious artillery issue

[tough quail]

aight thats a little less goofy looking

[junior trench]

anything that tries to rely on cameras to such a degree is pretty fucking stupid

[tough quail]

and the cheeks look way better than the weird

puffed out

strangeness

[strong plank]

I can’t find them on this render

But the short teasers did show some cameras

[manic latch]

Killdozer disagree

[strong plank]

It’s not shown in the lineup render, but we might get some more MPF news too

Since they mention it on the page

[junior trench]

killdozer's camera's were shot up and he crashed into a basement because lmao trying to look through "bulletproof" glass after it's been shot

[tough quail]

i wonder if the neo stryker is going to look as goofy as the first render

[junior trench]

so

[tough quail]

that one was so out there i actually liked it

[junior trench]

thanks for reinforcing my point

[tough quail]

it looked like some fucking DeLorean fuck mobile teleported a century forward

[manic latch]

[junior trench]

mmm yes, this will not impact the vision through the camera behind it at all

said no one, ever

[tough quail]

aw man it kind of just looks like a whale here

[spring briar]

He should’ve used external cameras with a wireless feed that are not on the dozer
When was the killdozer incident again?

[manic latch]

reduced crew size (3)? AI-enabled lethality (sum computer system)
survivability (more armor and aps)
mobility (better engine and lighter?)
manned/unmanned teaming (uhhh)

(MUM-T) and autonomous capabilities

[strong plank]

MUrM-T

[manic latch]

[tough quail]

no no it's for mummy

[frigid karma]

No

[tough quail]

it automatically embalms you if you die in combat

to be returned to the bass pro shop pyramid

[strong plank]

I’ve been conditioned to see murm

[manic latch]

[manic latch]

Ngl I wish they didnt go crewless turret

I'm sure Armata would look sexier without it

As this girl would

[tough quail]

i dunno the medium turret fits the profile to me

[manic latch]

Turret feels like Hulk bonked Abrams

[strong plank]

I doubt the army would adopt a fully crewless turret right off the bat

[tough quail]

russian tanks with huge turrets are kinda weird to get used to

[manic latch]

Ain't they testing it tho

[tough quail]

the black eagle thing kinda works because it looks utilitarian as fuck, its just a big box slapped on the back

[strong plank]

Testing is one thing

putting it into service is another

[manic latch]

Well you wouldn't test it if it didn't sound nice

[strong plank]

the military tests all sorts of stuff

[tough quail]

TTB was already a thing

they've tickled with it before

[strong plank]

remember when the navy did a whole refueling drone program and then didn’t adopt it

[desert agate]

They tested railguns for over a decade before abandoning them

[manic latch]

[manic latch]

yeah hypersonic missiles look better

[tough quail]

anyway @spring briar get in here

wank the hyperbar with me

[desert agate]

that hasnt been abandoned

[spring briar]

Hyperbar

Engine

[strong plank]

Oh wait

[spring briar]

Where

[strong plank]

Sorry I confused the X-47 with the Stingray

[manic latch]

TTB, B stand for Based

[tough quail]

cock and balls abrams

sans the balls

[desert agate]

in fact the MQ-25 conducted operational testing on a USN aircraft carrier as late as December last year

[junior trench]

https://seapowermagazine.org/navy-awards-advance-acquisition-for-low-rate-initial-production-of-mq-25/

it's also in LRIP

so

[desert agate]

and there are plans to establish a squadron

[junior trench]

you know

[strong plank]

Yeah no I confused it with the X-47B

[junior trench]

and for reference as to how flexible a term LRIP is

the F-35 is currently in "LRIP" of over 100 per year

[strong plank]

which was abandoned in favor of drone refueling

[tough quail]

look upon me lesser engines, and despair

[desert agate]

the X-47 was a technology demonstrator

[spring briar]

Is there CHP capability?

[desert agate]

was never intended to enter mass production

[spring briar]

Also whats the fuel

[desert agate]

it was designed and built to prove that the concept was viable and could be further developed, and the USN still maintains the aircraft in flightworthy condition so they can continue using them for testing

[strong plank]

right, but the program was initially aimed at a stealth drone for ISR and strike, but was changed to focus on refueling instead. I got em mixed up and thought it went the other way around

[desert agate]

it directly led to the MQ-25 program

[spring briar]

Hello

[desert agate]

horse gone

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

he died

[tough quail]

hello apologies

[desert agate]

nvm

[tough quail]

it's a diesel with a tiny gas turbine mated to it to act as essentially an absurd turbocharger/apu

[junior trench]

in the Swedish tank trials 1994 it was 720 liters/100km for the Leo 2, 1380 l/100km for the Leclerc, and 1478 l/100km for the Abrams), and the narrower RPM band where the engine can be operated with near-optimal torque

[spring briar]

Ok thats cute

So it is like CODAG?

[junior trench]

lol

get gas turbine consumption, but not gas turbine torque

and lower net horsepower

[tough quail]

lower net HP

[spring briar]

Just comparing consumption numbers gives little concrete information on performance

[junior trench]

same nominal output among the 3 engines

[tough quail]

also the turbine is basically it's own antilag system

legregs get moving like greased lightning by tank standards

[junior trench]

yes, diesels get lower net horsepower due to more parasitic systems

[desert agate]

turbines are cool and good

just have good logistics 9head

[junior trench]

Leclerc has a super brainy set up where the turbine is the APU

and the diesel is the primary boosted by it when everything is running

compare and contrast to running a diesel APU and a turbine primary

[spring briar]

You combine diesels with turbines people
That’s the way forward

[desert agate]

senator armstrong ass quote

[junior trench]

the tl;dr being that Leclerc runs the thirstiest engine while idling

while APU Abrams... doesn't

[desert agate]

just dont idle 9head

how long is the start up get moving time for a tank normally anyway?

[maiden citrus]

so the answer is to copy the leclerc right

[tough quail]

it is

[manic latch]

Good ol 1950s when everything tried to be atomic

[desert agate]

is it feasible to just turn your tank off to stop idle fuel consumption?

[spring briar]

With a diesel yes

[junior trench]

the answer is to do the opposite of Leclerc

[maiden citrus]

b-but everyone run diesel

[junior trench]

you don't run your thirstiest part of the engine as the APU

[tough quail]

tank understander has logged in

[desert agate]

tbh when you have nato logistics you dont really need to worry about fuel consumption

[spring briar]

You run the diesel as APU and then add the turbine for driving

[desert agate]

it just works™️

[manic latch]

Offers Diesel Abrams to Turkey

[desert agate]

fuck turkey

[tough quail]

the point of using the turbine in that way is that the leclerc accelerates like fucking mad

[junior trench]

so does an actual turbine tank

[maiden citrus]

💀

[tough quail]

in any sort of race off the line it's going to smoke a leo2 or an abrams

[junior trench]

an actual turbine tank actually will do even better at the same weight

[tough quail]

and in the long run too because it's not as chonk

[desert agate]

you cannot convince me that Turkey requires or even deserves an army large enough or capable enough to require the benefits of a turbine engine

fucking demilitarise turkey

henlo im am Turkyie i want large modern army
for countering nato peer opponents and ensuring regional stability?
yeees
goes to war with fellow nato members and commits genocide instead

[manic latch]

OoF

[tough quail]

giving greece their F-35s is still the funniest thing ive ever seen

[ivory ridge]

Reminder of that video where with a cold start a fucking challenger beats a leclerc

[tough quail]

i

what

[manic latch]

There is order for 20? But don't think they have one yet

[chilly osprey]

They don't, no

[manic latch]

They getting the F16 Blocks 70s

[tough quail]

i just recall the allocation for turkey was shifted to them

[manic latch]

Well even so. 80 extra F35 will remain

[chilly osprey]

They bought 20 and are expecting the first deliveries in 2028

[manic latch]

Wonder where those will go

[chilly osprey]

Most Turkish F-35's were taken by the USAF

[ivory ridge]

Cold start
https://youtu.be/WGF-hlcHzbI

[desert agate]

Turkey fucking itself over so hard its being forced to operate the worlds first (and only) drone only aircraft carrier

[manic latch]

Did it had like Turkish console

[desert agate]

I want it sunk

[ivory ridge]

Hot start
https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/pb87ip/round_2_of_leclerc_vs_challenger_drag_race/

[manic latch]

Or everyone use English?

[ivory ridge]

The chally wins the first and the leclerc the second

[tough quail]

oh right

yeah

[chilly osprey]

Actually, sorry. All of the Turkish F-35's were picked up by the USAF

[tough quail]

aw man

that was my favorite flex

[manic latch]

There is this girl also

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3178382/chinas-world-first-drone-carrier-new-marine-species-using-ai

[ivory ridge]

Turn the bosphorus into a NATO gibraltar

[spring briar]

@tough quail lengthening the Leclerc by like 1 meter

and throw in a diesel powered wankel engine like the americans for APU

[chilly osprey]

Honestly, calling it a drone carrier heavily overstates what it is

It's an LHD

And it will have the ability to take on plenty of drones if the Turks so choose

Not that it isn't something anyone else couldn't do with their LHDs, mind you

But the Turks later down the line want to use some more ambition drones of the ships

But overall, expect it to fill the same roles as anyone else's LHDs, carry mostly helicopters, and then the odd MALE for when they want a limited ISR capability and to bully enemy proxy groups in Libya, Syria, and elsewhere

[ivory ridge]

Frankly the Turkish drone making industry got a lot of undeserved attention due to current events

Like cool, you make drones

So does everyone else

Muh stealth unmanned fighter jet tho

[chilly osprey]

That and Oryx jerking them off

[chilly osprey]

But, yeah, at the end of the day, it's just a MALE

With all the capabilities and limitations that kind of platform comes with

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

i love the fucking wolf

[ivory ridge]

Turkish history is just roman history but more furry

[tough quail]

and roman history is pretty furry to begin with

[spring briar]

Rome's founders were literally weened by a wolf

tf you mean undy

[tough quail]

yeah exactly

[ivory ridge]

Yes and in the turkish version he

Then

Does stuff

With the wolf

[spring briar]

also holy shit MBT engine cope

[tough quail]

it's why arknights italy is just made up of the wolf mafia

[ivory ridge]

History wise all turks are part wolf

[spring briar]

moon moon

[tough quail]

italian spotted

[junior trench]

[tough quail]

me and vae pretty much exclusively refer to lapp as "italian" for the last like three months

[spring briar]

cleve, when did the abrams get an APU

[tough quail]

because we have no sense of humor

[spring briar]

Something doesn’t add up here

[junior trench]

day 1

it was on M1s and M1IPs

never reached quite full fleet use due to the scale of the force

M1A1 had it as well, again, not full fleet

[spring briar]

And on those that didn’t get it they used a battery pack?

[junior trench]

dunno, it was an external box on the right rear of the tank

so probably not

[spring briar]

I see

[junior trench]

either way

Abrams APU was intended since day 1

but the revolving cycle of refit and reissue to maintain the fleet at certain levels of capability kind of precluded the full issuance until recently when it was hammered on as a major point

on the other hand this also means there are essentially no Abrams in US inventory which don't have the full force trackers, comms setups, etc, and at least 2nd gen armor, with most being at 3rd gen

which is stark contrast to other major tank operators making fools of themselves

[spring briar]

Others that still use 2nd gen you mean

[junior trench]

no

2nd and 3rd gen are specifically about the Abrams armor packages

in this context

[spring briar]

oh you're on about other abrams users

[junior trench]

no

I mean tank users in general

especially ones who stockpile shit but just leave it as is

older units are reconditioned to zero hour conditions; and the tank is improved by adding Forward-Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) and Far Target Locate sensors, a tank-infantry phone, communications gear, including FBCB2 and Blue Force Tracking to aid in crew situational awareness, and a thermal sight for the .50 caliber machine gun.

this is considered the bare minimum for an Abrams in storage

[spring briar]

you still got some M60's in deep storage?

[junior trench]

nope

disposal began in 1994

the only ones still around are gate guards, artificial reefs, and target drone

[spring briar]

[junior trench]

no pulling ancient tanks from the 60s out of deep storage here

[spring briar]

from doing some research I'm of the opinion that Leclerc should just get a small diesel generator somewhere that runs a second APU and then using the integrated APU as a turbo

but the question is if Leclerc has the space for it

[ivory ridge]

[junior trench]

in 2025 the Army plans to cease sustainment of the M1A1 SAs and begin the upgrade cycle for them

[spring briar]

another upgrade to add to the list

[junior trench]

which means moving them to M1A2 SEPv4 standard, making M1A2 SEPv2 the next "upgrade old stock" goal afaik

current frontline force is SEPv2 and SEPv3

with SEPv4 in development

[spring briar]

tanks are being upgraded to sepv3 rn yes?

[junior trench]

yeah

from tanks even older than M1A1 SA

[strong plank]

The last time the M60 was used was in desert storm, and that was just the marines (and apparently a single Air Force unit, for some reason)

[spring briar]

they used it?
reserve?

[strong plank]

Uhh lemme check bc this is the first time I’ve heard of this

[spring briar]

Ok hear me out
We take Leclerc
And make it a bit longer

[spiral cedar]

Leclonc

[strong plank]

no source cited

lovely

[spring briar]

Source: my granddad who was an M60 driver

[spring briar]

@ivory ridge

[ivory ridge]

Kekw

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZLfsvOxSVE&ab_channel=DefenceAustralia

hollywood tier combined arms exercise footage

[rare anchor]

[frigid karma]

Ok this is modern politics

[rare anchor]

[frigid karma]

Discussion of the current Ukraine war has been explicitly forbidden to preserve the server’s apolitical nature, I’d advise deleting that

[rare anchor]

||F you and block||

Like **** please
Let me talk about history or tank history or ship history
Like damn

||I'm not talking about politics||

[humble mulch]

There's an incredibly fine line between tank history and a current conflict using said tanks, please don't cross it

[rare anchor]

I know what I'm saying

[spiral cedar]

Complain to the admins ig

Not the people reminding you of the rules

They just don’t want you to get bonked

[rare anchor]

That why I don't want get involved the people who like history

Because I will end up in the wrong place

[frigid karma]

The video you posted is almost entirely a discussion of a vehicle in current political affairs

Discussion of current vehicles are allowed, but not in political contexts as stated in #server-news

[rare anchor]

That why I don't get involved with history people

[frigid karma]

K

[rare anchor]

I already read the damn rules!

[frigid karma]

And you deleted it

Good

[rare anchor]

||leave me alone||

End of the message

[spiral cedar]

[frigid karma]

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

least delusional freaboo

[frigid karma]

Undie how dare you

[ivory ridge]

open his reddit profile
current events joke in the AL sub

...in a post about the germans

what

[frigid karma]

I have worked long and hard to be the most delusional freeaboo

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-live-in-your-walls-i-know-where-you-live-meme-cat-caption-gif-25921313

[frigid karma]

Pay the fucking rent

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/925474200083398716.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

did they get tired of trying to post politics

[spring briar]

I suppose

[rare anchor]

I will try to post Fucking history

[spring briar]

I spoke too soon

[rare anchor]

And all of your are blaming on me

[frigid karma]

The Austrian city?

It’s rather dull aside from the name

[rare anchor]

Like come on
Every people talking about politics every day
I want to scrap it out!

And no history

[spiral cedar]

[rare anchor]

I just want a say something about history or historical events

Nothing else

[spiral cedar]

None of us are talking about modern politics

[rare anchor]

I'm not talking about politics as well!

[spiral cedar]

True, but the video was

[rare anchor]

I'm not talking about the video forgot that!

[spiral cedar]

Forgetting it

[rare anchor]

I'm talking about what is the between Old history and Modern History?

[frigid karma]

somewhat oldish history

[rare anchor]

||please end me||

[spiral cedar]

No

[rare anchor]

Why

[spiral cedar]

Have neither the ability nor the inclination

[rare anchor]

Then why I can't talk about history?

[spiral cedar]

No one said you can’t

[rare anchor]

Alright then

In other history of the day

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vella_Lavella_(naval)#Battle

Our best US Naval destroyer
Was damage and one of them was sunk

[strong plank]

posts in #history
‘that’s why I don’t get involved with history people’

task failed successfully?

[solid mango]

Indeedn't

[rare anchor]

||I'm not going to argue with you||

[strong plank]

I mean you don’t have to

you got offended because folks told you that you weren’t following the rules

[spiral cedar]

Not worth arguing over

[rare anchor]

I follow the rules

[frigid karma]

if you wish to post your video, consult a mod in DMs first

end of discussion

[chilly osprey]

walks back in

looks at past discussion

Some day I will enter this server and not be massively confused. Today is not that day.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/navalinstitute/status/1577821529831886850

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

The Imperial Japanese Navy's Akagi and Kaga were the only aircraft carriers to feature three flight decks. Both carriers were modernized in the 1930s to have a single, longer flight deck to better accomodate the heavier aircraft that were being developed. #WarshipWednesday

Twitter · Oct 6, 2022, 12:42 AM

[eternal veldt]

Not mentioned: Akagi giving her crew lung cancer and Kaga cooking her crew alive as a triple deck carrier

[lapis elm]

Oh jeez

[tepid mulch]

You had single single engine YF-17 / Hornet

Now get ready for single engine MiG-29

[lapis elm]

I don't think either of those are as bad as the XP-47J tho.
Hmm yes radial Thunderbolt.

[tepid mulch]

It pogs

[lapis elm]

Or the testbed B-17 with a turboprop stuck on the nose.

[junior trench]

I would certainly hope your Thunderbolts are radial

[lapis elm]

Oh kek I mean it is still radial but it ain't no Double Wasp

Oh it is I'm stupid just smol cowl b/c yes

Goofy pog head I don't like it looks baaad no goood

Single engine YF-17 and MiG-29 still mildy cursed.

On the other had and not looking weird, I love the concept of floats on fighter because yes I can do that.

[gilded girder]

What if this. But a floaty boi

[tepid mulch]

Would you like a crazy wing Tomcat

[lapis elm]

Oh my god

[gilded girder]

It's a beauty isn't it?

[tough quail]

https://tenor.com/view/akairo-azur-lane-queen-elizabeth-gif-14581602

[strong plank]

isn't that in AC7

yeah here it is

[tough quail]

glorious dorito

[cinder escarp]

Nah, that's the FB-22 which was a F-15E replacement proposal

[cinder escarp]

)))

[tepid mulch]

I see someone wants to see the Sea Raptor

I don't like it, I prefer the NATF-23

But have swing wing Raptor anyway

[lapis elm]

[manic latch]

https://breakingdefense.com/2022/10/us-air-force-to-start-new-experiments-with-boeings-mq-28-ghost-bat-drone/

[subtle prawn]

The 1500-tonne destroyer Boulonnais in 1935–6 during divisional manoeuvres in the Mediterranean. (Philippe Caresse collection)

[manic latch]

China's naval anti air

[dapper parcel]

Shouldn't that 40N6?
Classic cyrillic switcheroo

[manic latch]

Ye

H=N

Tho someone pointed out China might not have 40N but 48N instead

[zealous vine]

can a dual purpose casemate gun be made

[maiden citrus]

if the casemate can reach high enough, it'd be fine

[spring briar]

the Japanese added it to the Kongo Daikan project

[manic latch]

Kongo Daikan?

[eternal veldt]

Kongou replacement battleship (Dai - replacement, Kan-Ship)

Casemates dont look DP to me, but could be wrong here.

[stiff mauve]

https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Final-Kongo-Replacement-35K-Design-X-809674819

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/4737-kongo-repalcement-battleship-design/

[spring briar]

there it is

[alpine onyx]

Dual purpose 140mm guns

[eternal veldt]

Shut up, Hamazaki, stop complaining and load that 140mm gun at 20 RPM

Or I beat the shit out of you later

[thorny plaza]

My dude goes
sideways

Yeah we had a radical redesign in the matter of seconds

[dapper parcel]

I mean, leaning the funnel so it'll ends up aft of the mainmast is one thing, but also leaning the mainmast so that its topmast ends up on top of the funnel anyway is a whole galaxybrain

[eternal veldt]

Hoist feed?

[tepid mulch]

Scenario: Do you need a (missile) battleship in the 60s-70s if another, rival nation also has one?

[manic latch]

Missile battleship?

You mean like. K-1000, Iowa missile conversion etc type?

[tepid mulch]

Yea

[dapper parcel]

Problem with missile is that:

• you don't have to be big to carry a big missile
• 10 small ship with a missile is almost always cheaper and more survivable than single big ship with 10 missile, ignoring C4I which isn't that big of a problem in the 60s

At that time the minimum required size was mostly due to the nature of the missile where "some assembly needed™️"

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4bYrMxVP88

[chilly osprey]

Frankly if you're in the 60s or 70s you should be ignoring anything dubbed 'battleship' entirely. Battleships as a concept are throughly obsolete thanks to missiles, which can hit much harder (and further) than shells and have effectively rendered armor obsolete. It's just not worth the weight anymore to invest in big guns or heavy armor.

If a rival nation has such a ship, your best counters to such a ship are simply going to be to ensure you have ships armed with anti-ship missiles with armor-piercing warheads, or alternatively nuclear warheads, decent nuclear-powered submarines, and, if your navy is set up as such, carrier strike capabilites.

And as ArdWar said, even when looking at surface ships, you really don't want to concentrate firepower so heavily if you can avoid it. Generally speaking, putting more capabilitiy on a certain platform only makes sense if the increase in size can dramatically improve performance.

We see this with carrier design, which is why carrier design has steadily pushed on to the 100,000 ton mark - more the more hangar and deck space you have, the more deadly the carrier, and the main limited on building larger comes down to infrastructure and the ability to afford enough ships to meet your commitments.

In the 50s and 60s, guided missile cruisers made sense primarily because they would bring along dramatically better radar suites and larger SAMs than their destroyer counterparts could manage. However, over time destroyer size increased, and in the 1970s and 80s VLS was developed and introduced, which combined with improvements in radar technology made the cruiser effectively obsolete. This is largely why no one has laid down a new cruiser class since 1976. Any capabilities cruisers had once had, could simply be transposed onto destroyers. The only justifications for having cruisers effectively boiled down to 'bigger ship for more endurance and firepower', but these designs were beyond the point where the cost and concentration of firepower made sense, relative to contemporary destroyer designs.

[desert agate]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1578022347952467968?s=20&t=PIkd8x3wULolMaBDyyxUuA

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute)

#OTD in 1973, an explosion in the tubes caused the Soviet guided missile destroyer Kanin 252 to fire a torpedo while shadowing HMS Hermes during the NATO "Swift Move" exercises. Fortunately, the destroyer turned away from Hermes at high speed just before the torpedo launched.

Twitter · Oct 6, 2022, 2:00 PM

[ivory ridge]

https://twitter.com/NichoConcu/status/1578028843712946182

A-129 Mangusta (@NichoConcu)

Leonardo has officially offered Brazil to locally produce the Hitfact Mk II turret. This could end up heavily favouring the Leopard 1A BR upgrade also offered by Leonardo. Honestly if also given a better engine, the upgrade wouldn't be too bad. 1st pic is what it could look like.

Twitter · Oct 6, 2022, 2:26 PM

[tough quail]

dope

[fierce sparrow]

certainly better looking than Cockerill's turret on a Leopard 1.

[manic latch]

@tough quail Soyuz's evolution

[manic latch]

And of course, cannot ignore the beautiful UP-41

[strong plank]

https://youtu.be/tOL9efdOJEM

my grandpa flew on one of these

[mystic basin]

Whoever places the secondary mounts was heavily overdosed on Alcohol

[manic latch]

Italians

[mystic basin]

God bless macaroni land

[tough quail]

not seeing anything particularly out of the ordinary

[alpine onyx]

That superstructure is more

[mystic basin]

I like the fact that they could probably fit a 4th gun if they moved the superstructure up

Theres so much space at the front

[spring briar]

not really

[tough quail]

that's very much not how ships work

[mystic basin]

Or just redesign the superstructure

[alpine onyx]

Deck space is one thing

Space in the citadel another

[mystic basin]

Also I looked at the side view

Top view looks different

[spring briar]

well yes
perspective is a thing

[mystic basin]

The side view looks like theres so much more space

[spring briar]

but even so the location of everything is the same

[mystic basin]

Top view not so much

[spring briar]

so

it should not make any difference

[mystic basin]

Its just my eyes playing tricks on me

[spring briar]

yes

I'm afraid so

[alpine onyx]

Botes are weird

[mystic basin]

Well anyway

If they redesigned the superstructure

[strong plank]

yeah uhhhh

[mystic basin]

They could likely fit at least more secondary guns or AA at the stern

[alpine onyx]

And fit a Narnia Closet for the magazines

[strong plank]

that's not how magazines work

[mystic basin]

Yes yes I already noticed

[alpine onyx]

Reminds of that weird yuro meme of Hood

Just put a turret where her turbines are

Will work

[mystic basin]

What

I need to see this

[alpine onyx]

Look up Yuro and Hood

[mystic basin]

If this goes wrong

[alpine onyx]

I know how the mods here like certain content, so not gonna link it

[tough quail]

yuro's brain has many wrinkles

[alpine onyx]

Oh crap the hammer is comin

[mystic basin]

Couldnt find it

Whatd I miss

[alpine onyx]

First result on YT

[mystic basin]

Yeah I see the video

Is it in the video?

[alpine onyx]

90 seconds

[mystic basin]

Oh what Japan would do yes

[alpine onyx]

time it takes Yamato to fire two salvos at combat range

[mystic basin]

45 seconds is not just the reload right

It also includes aiming

Because goddam 45 seconds is slow

[alpine onyx]

Combat ranges would include elevating and depressing the barrels as well

[mystic basin]

Yeah that makes a lot more sense

[alpine onyx]

And you don't get those golden reload times reliably (fastest one was 28s for Yamato), so have to add a second or two anyway

[mystic basin]

The only time you get perfect reloads is with autoloaders like on Des Moines

Maybe slight variation but not large enough to warrant adjusting average reload time

[alpine onyx]

Mhm

Maybe some variation once you run low on ammo, because the powder and shells are manually moved to the hoists

[mystic basin]

Des Moines having autoloading 203s is a dumb idea but it works so well

[spring briar]

is it really a dumb idea then

krem

[manic latch]

I was defending NP. But let's see

[manic latch]

Hmm

Shrapnel

[mystic basin]

Unfortunately I cannot read russian

Are these different shell types

For a 16”

[spring briar]

12"

[mystic basin]

Ah

[manic latch]

[mystic basin]

Kronshtadt?

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

bottom right is 305mm shrapnell yes

[spring briar]

no

[mystic basin]

These are large cruiser guns

[manic latch]

Much much much older

[mystic basin]

Damn

[spring briar]

much older than kron

like 1880's and 1890's old