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[lean latch]

Someone told me GvH give +2 AA at 120'ed is it true

[viscid swift]

Check the thread I made.

[wind hazel]

no it's 2FP

[lean latch]

Oh okay

[cobalt gate]

2fp

[harsh mason]

might get her for fleet tech idk

[whole crypt]

I don't see how Gotz will help in ch16 besides that it's not caught with ammo debuff if you have enough AVI

[uneven knot]

need this so bad

[cobalt gate]

Only newbies might have to skip to be honest

[wind hazel]

never skip 💪

[cobalt gate]

Never going to have holo live rerun with the incident

[wind hazel]

investing, however, is a different story

[whole crypt]

don't skip just build 1-3 each day instead of pulling hard even if you don't get her

[idle dagger]

Bad UR better than no UR. Just Alsace rerun soon

[copper garden]

whens alsace rerun supposed to happen?

[hollow gust]

Skipping any new UR is downright stupid, never skip

[grizzled sundial]

After next event may be

[atomic abyss]

This might be the exception

At the very least
It's not worth to go all in first day

[hollow void]

Till barrage known

[hollow gust]

Idk why you guys are making up assumptions already on shitty CN translates. Especially after getting fucked over by Porter

[soft raft]

We dont know
theoretically it's the next event in line to be rerun

[grizzled sundial]

How barrage gonna help ?

[wind hazel]

did you read the skills

[viscid swift]

I'm gonna say skip for sure yet but looks like a real possibility.

[atomic abyss]

If the barrage numbers are good

[soft raft]

mainly barrage pattern & damage numbers

[atomic abyss]

Then the penalty of low damage from gun can be somewhat offset with frequent barrages

[copper garden]

damn

[viscid swift]

If her barrage is really good it might just save her.

[copper garden]

bruh why does it feel like i chose the worst possible time to start playing after laffey ii and soyuz rerun passed 🙁

[atomic abyss]

For now my stance is don't dump your cubes

Roll reasonably until we can test for sure

[soft raft]

Well they'll be added peramently eventually so it's not like your goose is completely cooked

[atomic abyss]

It's a 3 week event

[grizzled sundial]

( pretty sure someone gonna dump cube just to be the first person to comment on her profile )

[wind hazel]

yes, that's me

[viscid swift]

I mean I'll get her.

[strong tartan]

she has 2 barrages?

[atomic abyss]

People will dump cubes for waifu anyways but that's besides the point

[copper garden]

im tryna buy the gooner ninja skin and not have to wait a whole year to use it 😔

[hollow gust]

Watch her be busted like Porter , then repeat every single event

[grizzled sundial]

Anti air barrage .

[onyx flame]

thats just how it is im still waiting on amagi cv after getting her skin last year

[atomic abyss]

Sigh

Is there anything wrong with a recommendation to roll cautiously for now goose?

[wind hazel]

hold, grey might be cookin'

[atomic abyss]

Unlike willie she's not exactly free

[grizzled sundial]

What is that ?

[strong tartan]

whoops

[viscid swift]

Please translate for me.

[hollow gust]

I’m not cooking, I’m just not judging my decisions on shit

[wind hazel]

"new goddess arrival"
"lion is just an ordinary person born in an era without Gotz"

[atomic abyss]

You make decisions?

[strong tartan]

whatdatmean

[atomic abyss]

Thought you just parrot lol

[grizzled sundial]

She diss lion ?

[viscid swift]

So her barrage might be Busted.

[wind hazel]

idk just wait for the test

[viscid swift]

Might being the keyword.

[atomic abyss]

Like I said just wait a week before deciding if you want to roll heavily

[soft raft]

Big if true

[atomic abyss]

It ain't rocket science

[grizzled sundial]

What kind of barrage you would consider busted ?

[atomic abyss]

Musashi tier

[strong tartan]

Musashi

[slow fox]

Chikuma All out Assault

[atomic abyss]

At that point you might as well say purple heart

[hollow gust]

The irony of that

[atomic abyss]

Pot meet kettle

[grizzled sundial]

So the kind of first wave hit entire scene and second wave target specific enemy ?

[atomic abyss]

It's not just about the pattern

It's about the raw numbers as well

Musashi's barrage has ridiculous numbers too

[wind hazel]

is CN barrage number considered datamine?

[viscid swift]

Not exactly unusual either.

[wind hazel]

i mean illegal datamine

[viscid swift]

Scylla is good mainly on her barrage numbers.

[atomic abyss]

-# Just wait 3 hours

Or whenever cn maint ends

[wind hazel]

🫃 ok

[atomic abyss]

If people are curious, discuss amongst yourselves privately

[sweet delta]

Barrages is explicitly back on the topic according to 📌

[wind hazel]

wtf that's illegal...

[atomic abyss]

At the end of the day you can discuss freely in like 3-4 hours

[sweet delta]

that would be at the beginning of the day (server time)

[viscid swift]

So what do her barrage numbers look like.

[whole crypt]

with targetting

[hollow gust]

Have you figured out what’s all the summons ?

[whole crypt]

no

I just looked on the thread on # there's no review vid up yet

[lyric bobcat]

Is the 157x7 in regards to Musashi? (if my translation isn't wrong)

[whole crypt]

Musashi's lightning bolts I believe

ugh damn it JP already in maint while I was busy fixing my dad's email

[harsh mason]

maint in 1.5h 🔥🔥

[lyric bobcat]

Idk where the 156x7 comes from. Musashi's enhanced lightning barrage does 270x6 with 50% crit rate boost

[whole crypt]

dude may be remembering shit wrong I have no idea

[sweet delta]

musashis +50% crits too

[whole crypt]

but it must be said Gotz enjoys a better selection of AP guns and can basically proc the barrage twice as often as Musashi

[sweet delta]

it should be said that uvh barrage is 4 x 110

[whole crypt]

but we're not comparing gotz with UvH now

[sweet delta]

gph was for 30 minutes

[whole crypt]

that was before barrage numbers

[lyric bobcat]

If Götz's main barrage actually fully hits and consistently hits too (one problem with Musashi's barrage), that barrage will do some crazy damage

[hollow void]

Like all URs based on barrage

[whole crypt]

the question is what will antimed look like now if we include her

[sweet delta]

musashi's barrage consistently hits

[lyric bobcat]

Shoutouts to Soyuz

[lyric bobcat]

Eh

[strong tartan]

it does tho

[whole crypt]

not like it matters, there's no relevant medium boss in sight

[atomic abyss]

Opsi?

[whole crypt]

it's strength for like another 10 days
current and next showdown are both light

and harb is just... harb

[hollow gust]

Took like a hour to change people time this time

[tawdry drum]

What fleet you guys recommend in World 15

[north gorge]

Look up sushi's W15 stuff, on mobile so don't have a link sorry

[cobalt gate]

for 16-3 and 16-4 can i auto clear or the ships won't know which battles to do to clear paths

[tepid breach]

I was told to eventually buy second floor of dorm but.. it's just for decoration??...

[cobalt gate]

its mostly so you can keep more ships in high morale

[onyx flame]

the wording is misleading but you do get the same no of slots as the first floor but it doesnt grant exp and in exchange grants 10 more morale per hour

[sweet delta]

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15/

[tepid breach]

[whole crypt]

well barrage numbers do change a lot, not to mention that just fits her (at this point) into med bossing

in that sense Lion is still overall best

[cobalt gate]

we got the barrage numbers?

[hollow gust]

Her rld and barrage makes her a really solid first UR BB for newbies, low maintenance and build in stagger

[idle dagger]

Is there new arbiter announced?

[sweet delta]

it's time to recommend 0lb UR

there is no new arbiter announced, and i will neither confirm nor deny the existence of a new arbiter, so if you post stuff about her then you get warned or banned from this server

[idle dagger]

That's why I asked before post anything, and thanks for warning

[hollow gust]

No shitty gun restrictions like Musashi too

[sweet delta]

we are comparing her to mushitshi?

[slow fox]

you mean muGOATshi

[whole crypt]

I mean UvH was also somewhat a decent "starter" UR back then because she fires much earlier than BBs usually do for early game

she just doesn't age well later into the game

[lyric bobcat]

We'll see about that

[whole crypt]

Lion still carries a significant damage buff and burn, and should be at least comparable if not still better for light?

[lyric bobcat]

For light yeah, but I'll be curious about performance across the board

[whole crypt]

they don't fit the same niche, so I don't expect Gotz to straight up replace Lion just anywhere

particularly for late mobbing when you need 0 ammo fights Gotz suffers same problem as UvH for shelling damage going to shit

Gotz's XF is also only first 3 fights

[lyric bobcat]

Ngl really not invested in her Mob performance

That UVH gimmick turned that off

[sick kettle]

so gotz stats already revealed?

[whole crypt]

yes but Lion works for mobbing too

[summer smelt]

Maintenance starting rn?

[whole crypt]

if specific for bossing then you're more likely to see Lion+Gotz+1 than Gotz replacing Lion

unless a full KMS main works out better for med/heavy

[tulip tinsel]

1h

[hard mesa]

The only thing lion lacking is her ~8.6k hp

[whole crypt]

which is not relevant for vast majority of boss encounters

[slow fox]

eHP slander

[idle dagger]

Need to see how she will works. Opinion about her from bad to not so bad changed in just an hour

[whole crypt]

again, knowing the numbers changes a lot, but yes wait for more review/testing

[rapid grail]

Well at least I don't have to worry about speedrunning her

[paper stratus]

I've got around 1000 gems saved up and I'm not too sure what I should be spending them on

Or saving for

[vale spindle]

Alliance Before the Hagiobull

Links

• More detailed guide: #gameplay-help message (pin below)
  • Contains wishing well / invitation information
  • Contains more thorough farming information
  • and more!
• Datamine (5/20/2026): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRqoQVVShAlHqVMIduq858XA9PtpO-9RG4qMyfja0oN0KxbDNyTH2dDSQY7TCDatJghJjdpvtYFDXfy/pubhtml
  • contains ships, skills, equipment etc.
  • contains barrage information for all new ships!
  • contains shop priority!

FAQ:

How to toggle stage difficulty?

#event-faq or #al-general message

How do duplicate copies of Elbe META work?

• All duplicate copies are automatically converted to META Crystals (if not enough to MLB) or Crystal Fragments (if MLB).
  • Do NOT buy extra copies, it is not worth it.

How do I get U-2501?

You need 200 UR vouchers for the 1st U-2501 copy, and 300 for the 2nd copy (500 total).

• UR Voucher Acquisition
  • Event Daily Missions - 5 vouchers/day (22 days, so 110 vouchers/event)
  • Clear SP - 5 vouchers/clear (22 clears, so 110 vouchers/event)
  • Event Minigame Rewards - 105 vouchers/event
  • Event Mission "Clear D3 with a new Event Ship" - 50 vouchers/event
  • Event Mission "Clear SP" - 50 vouchers/event
  • Event Shop - 500 vouchers/event

Oil Cap?

Normal oil-cap limits. Do /oilcap in #bot-spam for more information.

Best Stages to Farm?

D3 > D1 > C2 > B3 > highest stage.

• Make sure to do the SP stage once a day!
• You can toggle between stages in the bottom left corner of the popup.

Should I pull for these ships?

Reasons you should pull for the ships, in no particular order:

• Waifu
• Collection
• Better than majority of permanent options at their hull type (only for gold/rainbow ships, check datamine for ship information).
• It's a UR event!

<@&472236072743600148> pin plz

[cobalt gate]

so how does gun affect barrage dmg?

[onyx flame]

/gems

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Gem Spending 101

Gems in Azur Lane are fairly rare from an F2P perspective. However, the gacha in Azur lane does not require gems and their main usage is expansion of facilities like dorm, academy, docks and depot, as well as buying resources, resource packs, premium items (rings and name change), and skins.

As an F2P, you can get up to 4900 guaranteed gems (3750 for 3* clearing all 15 main campaign worlds, 900 for completing Bands collection and 150 for 8 days login campaign), not counting random gems from commissions or occasional bonuses from events or other sources.

Considering limited availability of gems for F2P players, even if spent exclusively on QoL upgrades, it is impossible to upgrade everything.

This is the recommended way to spend gems as an F2P:

• 3rd Dorm slot (300 gems)
• Dorm 2nd floor (500 gems)
• Dock space (remaining gems)

The main purpose of the dorm is for faster morale regen while grinding. Using ships with 0 morale will receive a 50% exp penalty and lose affinity.

The 2nd floor of the dorm will have the same number of slots as the 1st floor. While it lacks passive exp gain, it has faster morale regen. 3 dorm slots with the 2nd floor gives you a total of 6 slots, which is enough for your whole mob fleet.

Dock space is the biggest constraint for players. While this can help casual players collect all their waifus, there is also practical use in collecting ships - for later levelling to get their fleet tech on reaching lvl 120. These are important for players as they provide crucial additional stats that help players to tackle the hardest content (W14/15, H.Arbiters, CM).

Alternatively, players may consider getting the 3rd Academy slot for faster skill training or more dorm slots instead of just dock space (not recommended).

While players may opt to buy skins/rings with the F2P gems, this will come at the cost of QoL. It is recommended to only buy those with real money 💳.

[atomic abyss]

The raw fire power stat the gun has

[cobalt gate]

seems like new ship just needs quick reload

[vale spindle]

each part of a barrage has a scaling stat, and that stat is what affects the damage

the barrage also has base damage too

[whole crypt]

FP affects barrage
firing rate affects how fast it'll proc if it's on salvo
otherwise barrage has its own damage numbers to scale off

[cobalt gate]

gotcha

[whole crypt]

Gotz doesn't "need" quick reload she naturally carries fast fire

[grizzled heron]

So Gotz -50%rld is unconditional?

[turbid glade]

It's -55% gun cooldown rather

[grizzled heron]

Sure but there no way you could get rid of it right?

[turbid glade]

Nope

[whole crypt]

unlike UvH it's stuck yes

but I guess the idea is just proccing barrage anyway

[grizzled heron]

Full -55% cooldown fleet in the future would be funny

Holy absolute cooldown

[sinful wind]

mlb shinano or get NJ?

[slow fox]

Get the one you don't have

If anyone has requests to the datamining thingy thing please ping me all the other miners are asleep

[sweet delta]

should i +13 a Hood gun

[slow fox]

I have zero +13 hoodguns

[patent pivot]

whers hte barage dat

[slow fox]

@sweet delta

yahoo do you know how to mine LB bonuses

[patent pivot]

ye

[slow fox]

do you know which lua it is

[patent pivot]

uh

im drunk offf my ass rn

ask me in liek 12 hours

[slow fox]

bless

[patent pivot]

@vale spindle are barrage numbers an possiblity?

[idle dagger]

There are appeared comparisons of damage in chinese. I will not post. Looks like GvB dmg way more than Lion

[patent pivot]

thats craaazy

new ship powercreeping shit from a year ago

[idle dagger]

Read how an hour ago all said she's UvH lvl

[haughty skiff]

could you pm me it ?

[patent pivot]

its been this smae song and dnace for years

"woah new ship suckz" "wait no new ship gud"

the only actively bad one we had was actively suicidal

[reef flume]

GvB looks like a supercharged UvH

[slow fox]

no

[idle dagger]

In any case need to "touch" her personally before conclusions

[slow fox]

because sam is sleep

[weary edge]

pause

[patent pivot]

zamn

[sinful wind]

meanwhile im still out here rocking belfast

[patent pivot]

well im just going to presume im going to be dissapointed and finish my handle

[cobalt gate]

when was the last bad ur ship anyway. i remember it was drake

[patent pivot]

godspeed

[idle dagger]

2 fixes of Mogador

[cobalt gate]

oh yeah mogador, but i feel like she was more powercrept with a lot of op dd? before it was just laffey

[little chasm]

does anyone know if the new ur ship is worth spending bulins on?

[cobalt gate]

well cn datamine says op with barrage so probably

[onyx flame]

We know a bit but not enough to confirm yet so wait for testing

[little chasm]

🫡

[cobalt gate]

i guess no real reason to build a cv fleet now

[slow fox]

I figured the MLB thing out

all the dataminers are asleep

[idle dagger]

Can't say clear bad or good until players use her

[slow fox]

I can try my hardest to grab barrage data for you if you would like

[patent pivot]

nah dont owrry mate

[boreal wagon]

i am asleep ?

[patent pivot]

i accepted i lost me bet

[hard mesa]

There isnt really quick skill training event during ur event is there? The last one i remember was OG musashi event had it

[weary edge]

we just had one

[boreal wagon]

we basically have one any time any region opens a new server

[patent pivot]

im of fto wrok now godspeed

[idle dagger]

It is twice per year, we recently had one, so next ~ end of Autumn

[slow fox]

lars_sleep

[slow fox]

who is Mebet

[patent pivot]

the bet i placed on fi i would be disapointed by event

[slow fox]

I've always hated climbing the buff -> skill trees

I give up

[patent pivot]

ye it sucks, theres a thing to help but idk where it is

[boreal wagon]

just poke thorin like he offered smh

[patent pivot]

i got alot of practice when making my own ones

[slow fox]

Thorinsleep

[whole crypt]

mogador's problem was basically the same as every straight DPS vanguard we had, at least she enjoyed a season of lunge stun and buffing Unzen torps

[patent pivot]

poking throin is a 11/10 strat tbh

[whole crypt]

I'll wait to see what /# has to say about gotz tonight

[slow fox]

bless lar

it's okay I'm going to ask my cousin who is taking a DSA class RIGHT NOW so tree traversal is fresh in his mind

[patent pivot]

nah you gotta try the magic 8 ball

[sweet delta]

I'll wait for devs to nerf her

is CN maint over?

[slow fox]

sushi are you capable of grabbing barrage/dps for yahoo

[reef flume]

I don't like that GvB has damage and reload cutted in half regarldess of her position

Looks inconsistent

[boreal wagon]

wdym its very consistently cut in half

[lucid dirge]

Also her acc stat is 30! She needs help...

[muted wind]

she looks like she is meant for mobbing but... that's gonna be bad when out of ammo

[muted wind]

i think that's wrong, it should be 70 ACC?

yeah they pasted the SPD stat for the ACC of all the ships

[reef flume]

I mean to sync her with Zwei and Mecklenburg I have to use the 460

[opaque galleon]

No lmao

[slow fox]

you're right let me fix that

[lean latch]

90% damage reduction

[reef flume]

How

[muted wind]

you can sync her normally and fire 2 salvos at the same time... or just accept that only every 2nd is synced on auto

[blissful hamlet]

Is the new UR mid?

Seems just like uvh

[idle dagger]

No idea yet

[muted wind]

looks solid to me, but we'll see

we're still talking 160%x3 main gun and high FP, so she's definitely not gonna be a pushover

[lucid dirge]

I think she will be carried by her barrage and debufs

Looks like Vanguard and UvH

[lean latch]

If gotz come with 55% damage and if she has ammo debuff that is 105% damage reduc... do we just deal negative dmg

[eternal basalt]

No, min is 1

[muted wind]

@patent pivot do you want any specific barrages? i can't tell the triggers with my tooling, but i can at least copy out the numbers

[lucid dirge]

BB dealing 1 damage is still silly

[lean latch]

Oh i see I thought i could heal enemies

[eternal basalt]

Never seen UvH do that?

[lyric bobcat]

Her Barrage damage is pretty nutty

Like actually outrageous

[muted wind]

... hm, yeah, assuming nothing is up with my data, genuinely looks like the barrage(s) are double the damage of mecklen's? i'd really wait for actual tests though than trust that

[boreal wagon]

which skill was her barrage (like id)

[muted wind]

uh, let me look into my json, my visualizer doesn't show that

[boreal wagon]

i got it

[muted wind]

oh okay

[boreal wagon]

the individual shots are weaker then mecklen but it repeats often enough

[muted wind]

yeah, sounds right then

[vale spindle]

need to wait for thorin

[tidal meteor]

How long will the skill leveling take for Gotz

[lean latch]

About 78 hours (as fastest )

234 if level up all skills

[tidal meteor]

Guh

[eternal basalt]

All the Gotz talk, but is U-something broken like I-404?

[rose whale]

are we getting new banner today?

[harsh mason]

yes

[rose whale]

thx 👍

[hard mesa]

2501 can equip 3 aux

[eternal basalt]

No gun?

[hard mesa]

Nope

[hollow void]

3 aux, so oxy + hull + snorkel

[slow fox]

rudder toolkit seal

[onyx flame]

Triple torp

[vale spindle]

Oxy oxy hull they might not need snorkel with bidder but then again rainbow be rainbowing so idk

[tame valve]

What should i research after kearsage?
only pr 1 are researched

[eternal basalt]

Anchorage gets my vote

[lean latch]

Maybe Ply

[hollow void]

Does have like 348 oxy, I'd have to calc to see if 4 salvo g7e possible

[exotic sorrel]

I wanna say ply too

[undone plover]

Does new BB have salvo capacity

[lyric bobcat]

Yes

[whole crypt]

stig what's 2501's oxy/rld looking like for t52k and g7ek

does she even need snork

[scarlet cosmos]

Is there a consensus on hipper retro?

[idle dagger]

Lion retired

[onyx flame]

Only talk i seen was that she still short of port ehp

[grizzled heron]

Med boss gonna be so bloated in the future 😭

[summer smelt]

is the game under maintenance rn

[idle dagger]

Yes

[inland shoal]

Barrages added to datamine if anyone cares

[idle dagger]

There are even numbers of dps already

[hollow void]

Thanks

[grizzled heron]

Are we even allow to post dps in here

[vale spindle]

Yes but good luck finding accurate numbers

[idle dagger]

I don't know, Sushi warned to don't post

[grizzled heron]

Aight

[idle dagger]

What if I found?

[vale spindle]

if its lore related dont post it

[vale spindle]

good luck trying to get people to believe it

[idle dagger]

I'm not trying to get anyone believe anything

[vale spindle]

dps is very rng dependent due to barrage and bullet hit rates

so its not a good metric to compare

also specific fights call for specific mechanics

you are better off comparing full fleets against specific enemy content like meta showdown

because there you can at least measure time to clear which is the metric that we all care about more

[boreal wagon]

dps numbers are also more often than not based on paper numbers which fall apart for any number of reasons including but not limited to bugs

which may or may not be relevant here

[idle dagger]

I think people who make tables know how to count

[muted wind]

appears like it probably is

[boreal wagon]

it very much is

[muted wind]

-# hopes and duct tape

[onyx flame]

~~small indie company trust ~~

[boreal wagon]

they may be true and all, but my point was that many dps tables are simply made by comparing theoretical numbers together with gross averages for hit rates and stuff to give an estimate especially if they were done before you can even max the ships, or to a ship that is bugged

[white agate]

only datamines, not impossible testing of the ships in private servers, so no dps
unless i understood wrong

[boreal wagon]

so while not entirely "wrong" or "useless" they do have that level of grain of salt that one should be aware of which is why most people tend to prefer real tests

[idle dagger]

Sure I don't argue with this

[vale spindle]

dps is mathematically derivable now that the ships are live on CN servers but yea probably not best to risk it early on

[inland shoal]

Dps is fine to post as long as you base it on datamine / CN results

[lyric bobcat]

Thorin quick question about the Gotz Barrage. The intial sheet said it's 140x16, then 140x8. Which one of these is correct?

[inland shoal]

Which tbh it's mostly just copying whatever CN did anyway

[idle dagger]

I was warmed to not post. I don't want troubles

[boreal wagon]

140x8 ß is just on the same key for germans

[inland shoal]

Idk what sheet you mean, but it's 8x140 (It should be 16x140, but bugged)

[grizzled heron]

Yeah that was why I asked because the ships are on CN now

[lyric bobcat]

Oh so it's actually supposed to be 140x16 after all but is bugged and only does 160x8

[muted wind]

i do wonder if, now that that the new UR is impacted, they might fix that? or maybe that's already the intended damage. eh. we'll see.

[harsh mason]

i'm just gonna hold off on rolling until the experts decide if it's good

[grizzled heron]

Confirmed 8 from what I read

[lyric bobcat]

How long does it take them to usually fix that?

[inland shoal]

Yeah and I'm telling you it's fine

[muted wind]

sandy augment has been bugged since it was released, so maybe never

[inland shoal]

5 years to never
Though it's a UR so we will see

[boreal wagon]

well considering sandy has the exact same bug in retro and has not been fixed since release i wouldnt hope too much

[rose whale]

[lyric bobcat]

Nah that's crazy💀

Cn playerbase gotta do its thing for this one

[inland shoal]

Fixing bugs is optional in this game

[muted wind]

admittedly, i wouldn't be surprised if they set the numbers, tested it, were happy with the resulting performance, and it's basically as-intended now

[boreal wagon]

altho, with sandy it is at least mitigatable since your equipped gun "controls" it

[vale spindle]

Is it a bug or is it a scuffed way to divide by 2 without using the division operator because they overloaded it with something else we may never know

[rose whale]

kinda out of topic but in genshin there is also a bug with Mona C1 (2nd copy of her) that haven't get fixed for nearly 6 years 😂

[inland shoal]

It's a bug

[boreal wagon]

meanwhile i wouldnt be surprised if they didnt test it at all

[inland shoal]

The mechanic is you can't fire a weapon that is already firing
Her weapon takes a bit over 0.2 seconds to fire and fires every 0.2s
So every 2nd shot just doesn't work

[rose whale]

so the upcoming UR is scuffed atm?

[grizzled heron]

Nah

[boreal wagon]

wait for more testing

[muted wind]

yeah wouldn't be surprised if they fix that by just duplicating the weapon data. but we'll have to see

[rose whale]

the UR sub is still fine right?

[inland shoal]

Well I think she's still strong, but we'll see

[boreal wagon]

anything to just to not actually fix a bug huh

[muted wind]

honestly, yeah, even with halved numbers there, that's still a lot of damage on paper

[inland shoal]

Yeah but that's a bit difficult as well to then sync nicely

[grizzled heron]

Her med dps seems crazy icl

[muted wind]

i mean, offset one of them by 0.2s, that's possible in skill data
-# yeah, anything except actually fixing the bug

[inland shoal]

I think the easiest fix would just be to reduce the firing time of the weapon

[idle dagger]

6k so 1k more than Lion

[inland shoal]

It's AL devs we're talking about

[rose whale]

what if the gunners try harder? or try confidence? will this fix the bug

[muted wind]

still on the fence this will be addressed at all, we'll have to see what they do

[boreal wagon]

if CN complains it will be

[hard mesa]

Is the barrage armor mod same on all 3?

[grizzled heron]

They should code so that Mogador tits will flop around when she does her charge attack

[inland shoal]

Yep, 110/140/90 clearly means it's the same across all armour types

[idle dagger]

Wonder if she can shift pvp meta

[whole crypt]

she may replace Lion

[idle dagger]

Lion has burn

[whole crypt]

but I'll leave it to #pvp to figure it out

[idle dagger]

Right sorry

[exotic sorrel]

Wait Sandiego's augment is bugged? What part of it?

[whole crypt]

the actual burn damage doesn't add to that much across a pvp match, it's kind of the damage buff and not sure if it kills concealment

[muted wind]

the barrage it fires is throttled by its own firing time, so if the gun that's equipped is too fast, you lose triggers

[whole crypt]

if gotz gets enough shots out it should add to more than the burn anyway

[harsh mason]

140x8 is still pretty strong i think at a cursory glance at least

[muted wind]

140x8 is, over the same time, similar to meck's barrage numbers. yeah.

[whole crypt]

it's not so much that sandy's aug is bugged as much as the barrage is mechanically limited by vt

[inland shoal]

"It's actually not a bug that the buff doesn't do what it says, it's more of a mechanical limitation"

[harsh mason]

oh i was lowkey comparing to musashi, it's almost double after accounting for fire rate i think

[muted wind]

... oh, i was counting meck's torpedoes, but that's not really great to include. slightly higher than musashi by raw numbers is maybe a better comparison, yeah

though musashi also has a higher crit rate i think

either way, i'd rather wait for testing, see if they fix the bug, and whatever else happens

[harsh mason]

hopefully this ship can help me compensate for my lack of lion

[whole crypt]

strictly speaking it's a bug but not on the augment itself

[inland shoal]

Well yeah it's just their nonsense weapon handling

[exotic sorrel]

Lion still hasn't rerun though you still have a chance to get

In the next year that is*

[whole crypt]

I mean after she reruns you can still wait for perm, it's more of a matter whether she'll be powercrept by something else by then

[harsh mason]

yea, i meant more of like "immediate" because i came back recently and missed a lot of the new URs

so maybe if she takes a similar role to lion i can use her in place

[muted wind]

ah wait, did they change her barrage skill completely on CN with a patch already?

[sinful relic]

when do the servers open?

7 hours?

[idle dagger]

Maintenance 8 hours

[exotic sorrel]

I get you, I haven't been in this game for many years ever since Shinano's release, means I missed out like 80% of the URs I think

[harsh mason]

5 more hours or so

[harsh mason]

yea, cubes arent an issue its just a matter of waiting for the banners i guess

[inland shoal]

Yes, but as far as I'm concerned they just removed half the triggers without addressing the bug so now it should only fire 4 bullets no?

[muted wind]

it... looks like it?

[lyric bobcat]

...

[inland shoal]

At least they made the skill structure more AL style now
As in adding complication for no benefit

[whole crypt]

smol indie dev pls understand

[harsh mason]

oh if its effectively 140x4 that sucks

[lyric bobcat]

Hold on now, we went from 140x16 to 140x8 and now to 140x4?😭

[boreal wagon]

welcome to AL

[muted wind]

i... have to assume they messed up with this patch

[grizzled heron]

Funny as shit

[muted wind]

like surely they didn't just intend to nerf her right after CN went live, right?

[harsh mason]

please be 140x16 effective

[muted wind]

... wait, did they also duplicate the weapon like i said earlier???

[lyric bobcat]

I have a feeling they will leave it at 140x8 and call it a day💀

[muted wind]

it's not even that rn

[whole crypt]

talk about it some more we'll get 140x2

[grizzled heron]

Cant they just buff her modifier so it matches 16 hits or smth

[lyric bobcat]

You know what? No barrage. You guys get nothing

[hard mesa]

[lyric bobcat]

Unseasoned food is what you get

[grizzled heron]

Nah get rid of the UR atp

[harsh mason]

she gets nerfed to elite rarity

[idle dagger]

Just 2nd UvH then

[boreal wagon]

no but im also pretty sure its still 8 bullets because its just doing 2 instances of 2x2 now

[muted wind]

it looks like 2 instances of 1x2

[boreal wagon]

its 2x2 but thorin says the second segment is eaten anyway cuz same weapon so its 4

[grizzled heron]

Where are all the cn vids at

[muted wind]

... you know what, i don't trust myself to read the barrage data myself, that's why i have tools for that. it does say 4, so that's why i'm assuming 2x1x2. uh. but it's probably still somehow bugged if the game works how we expect it to

[boreal wagon]

the weapon fires 2 waves of 2 bullets

[harsh mason]

its never getting fixed

[muted wind]

... or my tooling sees 2 skills with the same id in the same buff and thinks it should dedup that

[boreal wagon]

so each segment fires 4 bullets but the second segment gets eaten by the first due to it taking longer than 0.2 seconds all they did was split it into 2 segmented skills for no reason

[slow fox]

barrage miners haha

[muted wind]

so... 2x2x2, but it's still bugged so 2x1x2 in practice?

[inland shoal]

No

2x2x2, but it's still bugged so 1x2x2 in practice

[boreal wagon]

i love how u pedanted exactly what i was gonna pedant lmao

[muted wind]

i feel like we mean the same thing and ordered the multipliers differently

[inland shoal]

That's what I assume at least, maybe their split introduces some weird delay that makes it work

[boreal wagon]

i can try looking at more streams

[inland shoal]

Well if that's the case your order makes no sense

[boreal wagon]

also that still would make it 8

[muted wind]

i'm just gonna go eat lunch and see if they patch it again later lmao

[haughty skiff]

i hope im reading this wrong, but they nerfed GvB ?

[lyric bobcat]

Waiter, a couple more 2's please✌️

[boreal wagon]

just wait until we have finalized info later we are just silly goofs discussing things that arent even set in stone

[haughty skiff]

understandable

[inland shoal]

From the preliminary data we can see it does look like it

Btw I also find absurd that Götz' summons aren't even mentioned and their lasers do such miniscule dmg compared to her other barrages

[harsh mason]

broken css

[lyric bobcat]

So the 4x2x2 has been tossed out the window in a sneaking patch that made the issue even worse?

[lyric bobcat]

Kinda reminds me of Bis2 and the laser beam attack that Geryon does

[boreal wagon]

except geryon is actually meantioned and mentioned to do an attack

these summons arent mentioned at all and neither are their attacks

[atomic abyss]

Are we actually undergoing a Mogador 2.0 somehow

[lyric bobcat]

We might ffs

[eternal basalt]

She doesn't insta-die

[boreal wagon]

i wouldnt exactly compare it to moggy but yea

[grizzled heron]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1aLL169Eiv/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.-1&trackid=web_related_0.router-related-2589621-cb5r7.1779272306318.515

[inland shoal]

Also Geryon laser does like 2.5s as much dmg
Though it's only 1 laser ig, so it's only very slightly better

[whole crypt]

to be fair both gotz and moggy are the devs failure to understand actual gameplay mechanics, just different mechanics

[harsh mason]

why is this playing erika 😭

[grizzled heron]

cn humor

[lyric bobcat]

Gotz mogging

[inland shoal]

At least Mog was some actually complicated mechanics I didn't understand either

[eternal basalt]

When does Gotz skydive?

[whole crypt]

# planned a video for 8pm which I guess isn't going to happen now

[lyric bobcat]

Also if I counted correctly, I saw 8 projectiles fired when the barrage proc'd

[whole crypt]

mog was a lack of understanding of practical vanguard damage-taking, followed by not understanding skill activation

[harsh mason]

brutal

[boreal wagon]

yeah but this may just as well be before they did the patch so its kind of inconclusive

[whole crypt]

but they fixed that

[exotic sorrel]

That's such a big dmg gap

[whole crypt]

so mog's problem in the end is the lack of a niche as straight damage ship, except for that time we coped with her stun on lunge

[idle dagger]

Lvl1 skills GvB

[limpid meadow]

so is worth pulling new ur pg or?

[exotic sorrel]

Oh no wonder

[harsh mason]

maybe better if levelled idk

[boreal wagon]

i wouldnt exactly call level 110 non oath stranger level 1 skills GvN vs maxed lion a good comparasion

[atomic abyss]

If she truly is a barrage reliant BB

[whole crypt]

just pull, still not really a bad ship, if they "fix" her then she's going to be much better

[atomic abyss]

Then she's heavily reliant on skill levels

[ember totem]

[lyric bobcat]

C'mon now surely we are not taking that video serious

[harsh mason]

fwiw her damage debuff decreases with skill levels, and the barrage improves with skill levels too, so probably wait for someone to have thm at l10 to compare

[limpid meadow]

okke

[whole crypt]

this is actually devs responding to being called wehraboos

[harsh mason]

ill probably pull and hold off on building first

[atomic abyss]

Not to mention barrage patterns can change with skill levels

[grizzled heron]

just want to count the barrage

[harsh mason]

i mean if its 8 before the changes its kinda over

[eternal basalt]

Now: SHE' CRAP. 2 weeks from now: SHE IS OP AS FUUUUCK

[hard mesa]

Wait 1 week for proper evaluation

[atomic abyss]

My recommendation stays the same as earlier

[grizzled heron]

when was the change because this video is 50 minutes old

[atomic abyss]

Trickle the cubes first as opposed to dumping all at one go

-# which is how you should roll anyways

[eternal basalt]

That's every event

[whole crypt]

but if I don't all out how do I oath on day 1

[harsh mason]

i need to satisfy my itch to roll

[whole crypt]

for the record I'm in no hurry because I'm out of red books anyway

[lucid dirge]

Her damage is at least 2 times more + barrages damage then shown on video

[limpid meadow]

[exotic sorrel]

I'm more curious about which mode she'll shine the most in

[whole crypt]

just wait anyway, no one can actually test her at full power regardless of whether she's actually bugged

just don't frontload your pulls

[muted wind]

the video probably predates the last hotfix then, but it's still a terrible metric

[lyric bobcat]

Just save for next year, when Iowa and Yamato mog the whole game anyway✌️

[whole crypt]

the video against hiryuuM? the ship isn't even 125 and skills1

[inland shoal]

Yeah just for counting the bullets to see if their “fix” did anything

[eternal basalt]

And Alaska in Feb and some other crazy ship in Dec

[grizzled heron]

people were confused about whether her barrage is 4 or 8

just putting the video out there to count

[hollow void]

CN players reporting they gave up and made it 8

[boreal wagon]

does it actually at this present moment fire 8 though

[lyric bobcat]

Wowzers

[lucid dirge]

Its worst video showcase I've seen

[boreal wagon]

the problem with a video is that we have no way of knowing whether it was recorded before or after their patch that supposedly changed anything

[lyric bobcat]

Man say it ain't so...

[muted wind]

how would the players even know the devs gave up

[inland shoal]

If it works now I'm annoyed cuz I'll have to analyse code to see how

[hollow void]

They’ve given up since like 2 years ago

[lyric bobcat]

Isn't that an insane choice?

[whole crypt]

lmao

[muted wind]

yeah that's what we found, but it looked bugged anyways

[lyric bobcat]

If you plan to do that, why not change it from 140x16 to 280x8 then to keep the same base damage total?

[boreal wagon]

assuming CN hasnt had another patch since the one we found the 8 just work

[whole crypt]

devs have given up on understanding what numbers actually do in-game

[hollow void]

280

[muted wind]

they also didn't change any bullet-related code, so

[lyric bobcat]

Honestly that is just really bad, how do you do that with your CN Anni headliner

[hollow void]

Guess we’ll see depends on if CN malds

[boreal wagon]

which doesnt make any sense but what in this game does

[grizzled heron]

so there wasnt any fix?

[muted wind]

bluntly, we have no idea, but it... appears to be 8 in practice?

[hard mesa]

So.... nothing wrong with U-2501

[boreal wagon]

it is currently 8 yes, whether they have done a second patch or not i dont know

[hollow void]

She’s a sub, so there’s that

[grizzled heron]

reminds me of that one time where there was a skin glitch in pvp or smth

[eternal basalt]

Roon lasted 3 months when oathed XD

[hollow void]

Yeah walling by using skin

Good times

[grizzled heron]

to confuse the player base you must confuse yourself ahhh

[tropic tusk]

This should be the UR update right?

[inland shoal]

It is

[atomic abyss]

It is

[tropic tusk]

Nice 3q

So it's one of those pull UR + free UR?

[odd merlin]

Guys do we got the datamine?

[eternal basalt]

Content in it TBA since they still tweaking stuff

[reef flume]

CN damage stats fir GvB looks insane

[lyric bobcat]

Question is, are those stats with the OG barrage or the changed one

[muted wind]

i'm not trusting any dmg stats... only 2 hours after the server went live or so?

[reef flume]

What?

[lyric bobcat]

Oh you have no witnessed the barrage saga

[muted wind]

yeah, there has been some confusion in this chat about the barrage bullet count

[reef flume]

Anyway here u go. But paper means nothing without test after all

[jade lagoon]

The insane barrage numbers are the one that puts her well beyond even Lion?

Yeah exactly that image

[reef flume]

You have barrage infos? If yes pls send me

[inland shoal]

You could just check the datamine

[muted wind]

well, that has the initial version at least. i don't think she'll do the numbers that chart shows with the current live version though

[inland shoal]

I mean it says it's bugged to be half of what it says

[muted wind]

which... then matches what it's live. but the dps chart above is questionable either way.

[inland shoal]

Yeah

Also idk when the numbers were even calced if they knew the bug yet then

[idle dagger]

2 hours ago

[reef flume]

Is it likely she'll outdamage Mecklenburg who is currently the BB with the highest damage output vs medium/heavy?

[muted wind]

i'm curious why the current version doesn't run into the same bug as sandy. i don't see any new patches since our last confusion at least, so it has to work as it should?

[grizzled heron]

Seems like it was made with 8 hits in mind but does seems sus indeed

[muted wind]

i don't trust it against heavy

[whole crypt]

just use what you want because there's no relevant medium or heavy on the horizon

[reef flume]

The other armour types?

[undone plover]

What was next meta?

[muted wind]

maybe medium. that's what she seems to be best against

[reef flume]

Interesting

[boreal wagon]

lantern meta (aka bristol)

[turbid glade]

Bristol META, so another Light armor boss

[whole crypt]

bristol is light

[muted wind]

-# oh, should've added a reply to my message

[undone plover]

oh did they show her art? or was it just name

[muted wind]

they did show her art in the CN stream

[turbid glade]

[undone plover]

[analog dome]

[forest palm]

it kind of looked like a new outfit at first tbh

[reef flume]

Unless light armor, do you think GvB will replace Lion on Meta fights/OpSi?

[muted wind]

you'd prob just use both for the damage bonuses

[reef flume]

Rn I run Lion, Mecklenburg and Zwei

[stoic horizon]

Is this UR event 2 or 3 weeks long?

[reef flume]

Mecklenburg is just too op rn so its either Zwei or Lion

[twin bronze]

3 weeks

[stoic horizon]

Gotcha thanks

[neon condor]

Reading this chat back has been a Rollercoaster

[grizzled heron]

Its 8 in jp but does it matter atp

[jade lagoon]

ig gotz remains this busted she creeps even lion, you'd just run her + 2 others for everything💀

[harsh mason]

huge if true

[grizzled heron]

Yeah watching the stream rn

https://www.youtube.com/live/mTY6OexAa8o?si=2MaB8WLMP9cmX3Uv

[reef flume]

I'll just run her+Zwei+Mecklenburg

[wind hazel]

why would you drop lion lol

[lyric bobcat]

Nobody knows

[tulip tinsel]

what's the verdict on götz?

[reef flume]

Another guy just said it

[lyric bobcat]

The devs are funny

[wind hazel]

who

[reef flume]

Lucky M

[lyric bobcat]

Ngl I don't think this will stand, I do think CN will complain

[wind hazel]

lucky moron?

[reef flume]

Also check her current CN stats

[slow fox]

all kms fleet smh

[reef flume]

Sure she needs testing but those r still a good starting point

[wind hazel]

why would you drop lion for zwei, just give me the reasoning

[reef flume]

Black hole + Zwei buffs both

[wind hazel]

half of gotz shots are not affected by blackhole i hope you know this

[idle dagger]

Not so matter if she's so strong or so bad. Anyway all content can do without her. That's main problem for my opinion

[hollow void]

kms simp

[reef flume]

Gotta test both fleets ig

[wind hazel]

no lion means no 10% dmg debuff too lol

[reef flume]

Mecklenburg is the only ship I ain't removing cuz shes too op, more than all 3

[muted wind]

sure, buddy, you tell yourself that

[reef flume]

Am i wrong tho?🤔

[wind hazel]

yes and no

[reef flume]

Elaborate

[robust onyx]

Is Gotz good?

[muted wind]

lion provides too much bonus damage for the fleet even in the cases where meck provides better personal damage to swap her out

[inland shoal]

No she's evil

For now she looks strong on paper

[slow fox]

-# you have gotz to be kidding me

[peak fable]

why are we asking if a UR is good btw, like... what else we spend our cubes on? xd

not like azur lane has so much content, that we have to split

[wind hazel]

meck is not more op than all 3. sometimes she is the top, sometimes she is not. she also needs zwei pairing to be at her best, though maybe now that isn't true anymore

[whole crypt]

my answer is wait for bristol because we won't have any relevant bosses gotz will be ready for before that

[wind hazel]

lion is more versatile than meck, that's 100%

[whole crypt]

also meck shits on light

[muted wind]

i think götz is actually detrimental to use on the current meta boss due to her hidden summon

[reef flume]

Now that Gotz exist I can just pair both and Lion ig. I'll test that too

Once I get Gotz to 125 and 200affinity

[lyric bobcat]

Just use whatever bruh, you'll finish the fight anyway

[exotic sorrel]

It's kinda hard to define if a ship is op or not if you don't include the variables of what situation she's in

[crisp wraith]

Summons would have been nice for YK2 Meta

[wind hazel]

any picture of her summons

[slow fox]

THORIN BAN HIM

[wind hazel]

wtf the wrong summon came

[reef flume]

Goddamn

[whole crypt]

you're not going to have her in a full working state for any relevant amount of time left on RegeM

[jade lagoon]

I meant that by those numbers, which apparently we don’t know if they’re correct or not, she widely surpasses even Lion. Never said to drop one for the other

[muted wind]

yeah, that too

[wind hazel]

what am i looking at. bat with giga big tongue?

[crisp wraith]

Golbat…

[boreal wagon]

a bat that fires a laser

[inland shoal]

Batzilla

[wind hazel]

o lmao those red lasers are from them i didn't notice

[lyric bobcat]

They also do a Batzillion damage (they tickle the boss)

[reef flume]

Pokemon collab is real frfr

[slow fox]

Gotz and Hindenburg and Bismarck

there exists a lasermaxxing fleet

[inland shoal]

Yeah idk why devs made the laser come from the ground below them instead of from them

[wind hazel]

magic bat, don't question them

[wind hazel]

SSSS robot laser

[slow fox]

is SSSS robot laser also a big laser that obscures the screen

[wind hazel]

hmm

idk what the fuck is going on anymore

[slow fox]

that first screenshot wasn't impressive

but the second one

[reef flume]

Bro what is this🥀

[wind hazel]

hulk sneeze

[wraith pendant]

This is what Over 9000 looks like

like, comment, subscribe

[hard mesa]

Server open?

[wraith pendant]

nope

[whole crypt]

you're just spamming beams aren't you

[wind hazel]

idk i just found it on youtube

[forest palm]

2 an a half hrs right?

[wind hazel]

<t:1779289200:f>

[silk hedge]

do we have any new UR gear in the update ?

[hard mesa]

Nope

[turbid marsh]

think its a gold sub gear

[silk hedge]

ok thanks
so only the new UR dd gun in gearlab

[exotic sorrel]

3 more hours till the event drops correct?

Oh yeah 2 and a half oops

[undone plover]

Was there a new UR dd gun?
Cant find it in datamine

Is it coming next week?

[turbid marsh]

think its not this week

[ivory pawn]

Later yes.

[undone plover]

Ah I see fair

[ivory pawn]

My bet is week after next, but idk what JP preview said.

[undone plover]

Wishing well comes week1 tho right?

[lean latch]

Ijn dd gun

[forest palm]

GL update

[nocturne zenith]

Based on the datamine results is gotz about to be op or depends on the barrage still?

[muted wind]

pretty sure it is actually 140x8 now, both in code and in practice.
-# question now is why it works correctly

[undone plover]

I would say wait
Based on a CN dps chart she is very good
But that is theory + lots of assumptions

• she might be bugged atm

[boreal wagon]

we know pretty confidently she isnt bugged atm
we just dont know why she isnt

[muted wind]

i'm assuming timer shenanigans that happen to be fixed by the new skill data

[undone plover]

If u are low on cubes slow roll 3-5 pulls per day
Then see how it pans out
Though I personally feel manjuu wouldnt release a bad ship by UR standards especially on CN anni

[muted wind]

she's without a doubt strong, we just need testing to see where she ranks exactly

[wild patio]

How much time until it comes back

few more hours right

[muted wind]

2 hours until extension

[lean latch]

1 : 52

[nocturne zenith]

How does the ranking of BBs go?
Lion, Musashi, Alsace?

[muted wind]

depends on the content

[sweet merlin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AzurLane/s/rOqXEV35Jg aldb no longer needed

[boreal wagon]

sir this doesnt cover even half the info i do

[muted wind]

the only part it covers is where to get items

[boreal wagon]

and even that only for research items at first

[muted wind]

amazin'

[lyric bobcat]

Really curious whether CN will complain or not

[ivory pawn]

Yes, yes it does.

[muted wind]

as far as i heard, the last hotfix actually dropped before the server opened, so... they have no real basis

[boreal wagon]

idt CN will complain any further than they already have especially given 8 currently works

[muted wind]

for all we know, 8 may always have been intentional, and it never would've fired 16 anyways

[lyric bobcat]

Idk this kinda reminds me of Drake, they buffed her like 2 times because CN also saw her as too weak when the Data DL hit

[muted wind]

yeah but götz absolutely does not seem too weak now

[inland shoal]

I mean 8 worked before too

[boreal wagon]

well yeah i more so meant the code now at least does what it says

[inland shoal]

No it doesn't, it says it should only fire 4 now

[boreal wagon]

you know what i mean smh

[lyric bobcat]

That is correct but they do have a basis they can complain about now. Especially considering that they dropped her bugged in the first place

[grizzled sundial]

So what i understand is that on release due to a bug her barrage deal too much damage ?

[muted wind]

no, it works as it should rn

[nocturne zenith]

I'd like that for my first UR event

[muted wind]

in fact, i'm not even sure whether the servers opened before that hotfix in question dropped, she may have never been bugged on live servers

[lyric bobcat]

Eitherway, CN did have initial data, they could definitely complain about it

[muted wind]

they could theoretically complain about anything

[hollow void]

You underestimate CN

[boreal wagon]

idk idt i underestimate anything, sure there will be people who continue to complain

[lyric bobcat]

They can keep it at 8, they should buff the base damage tho

[boreal wagon]

but usually with an issue like this the ones to complain the most are actually EN

[boreal wagon]

especially because of this

[viscid swift]

It did not.

[muted wind]

on paper, she is already the highest dps BB against all armor types, the devs aren't gonna do shit

[viscid swift]

From what one guy posted on bilibili.

[rapid grail]

"on paper" is some bs fighting words

[muted wind]

we have nothing besides "on paper" for her rn, like with any new ships only hours after release. you couldn't even bitch that she is underpowered by any other metric

[neon condor]

What I'm gathering is this whole thing is a big ol' " ❓ "

[lyric bobcat]

I'm not taking day one calcs serious. I really can't. I'm more so annoyed about the cop-out way they "fixed" this

[muted wind]

for all we know, the ship works as intended, appears strong, and was never bugged on live servers.

[inland shoal]

Yet. Can't wait for EN to forget to apply the patch

[muted wind]

i mean JP got it but yeah i guess EN could try to be special

[nocturne zenith]

How'd they fix it

[inland shoal]

No clue, they just reduced the shots from 16 to 8 and now it magically works

[muted wind]

they did split it into 2 separate triggers, basically from 1x4x2x2 to 2x1x2x2.
-# actually, i guess we don't know for sure that the earlier didn't fire 16.

[inland shoal]

That's true I guess

[undone plover]

I am actually curious is there any data to suggest any number here is wrong

[muted wind]

it was never on live servers with 16 bullet version, so it's whatever

[muted wind]

no, but solo-ship calcs aren't a good metric for performance

[neon condor]

Wait so this whole conversation is about how the 16 bullets got reduced to 8 because of a bug but no one actually knows if it didn't fire 16 bullets?

[undone plover]

Arent they ?
I keep hearing ppl say theory doesnt translate into performance but then this chart seems accurate to current meta

[muted wind]

kinda, yeah. it was changed to 8 in code, and 8 in practice, so... doesn't matter really

[neon condor]

[silk sphinx]

this is about götz S1 barrage?

[muted wind]

i mean there is correlation, but i wouldn't say that this is anywhere near propotional to real damage numbers

[inland shoal]

This chart also has always said to never use Vanguard

[idle dagger]

What Vanguard good for?

[inland shoal]

Buffer

But these days her dmg has been crept too far to be worth it kinda

[idle dagger]

Yes right, forgot. Didn't use her after max

[nocturne zenith]

Does this chart mean warspite does more dmg than Musashi against Light and Medium armor?

[idle dagger]

It says so. But better ask players who used them and can recommend who is better. It isn't I.

[undone plover]

Well tbf
It is a dps chart afaik
Not edps
Right?

[muted wind]

i mean, ignoring that musashi also provides unconditional armor break and warspite is biased towards shorter battles-- like please don't take these charts at face value

[idle dagger]

Much depends on content you want to use them and who you pair them to

[undone plover]

It is giving you correct math (I hope)
How u apply that is what matters

[muted wind]

yeah, pairing is exactly the problem. you should evaluate whole fleets, not single ships

[undone plover]

Yeah but then it is too subjective
Tho I think suchi dps has diff cells for some assumptions

[muted wind]

the math being correct isn't the issue, it's that it gives you the wrong conclusions. f.e. lion will buff everyone's damage, but it probably includes that for her personal damage already

[hard mesa]

Also stage gimmick, especially with current META battle

[undone plover]

Sure but that is not a conclusion the chart gives u
It is ppl interpreting a chart in the wrong way and calling it useless

[inland shoal]

Yes, but who cares about the math being right when the numbers are pointless

[hollow gust]

Although Musashi light damage is absolute doodoo cheeks , warspite will cap her

[reef flume]

Earlier I said its just paper. For actual stuff we need to test her

[undone plover]

They are not pointless is my point
Lion having most potential theoretical dmg can translate into actual performance with the right conditions

[muted wind]

i mean, obviously, but simply having lion in the fleet would shift the rest of the chart up too

[inland shoal]

I mean sure but Lion is just cracked even besides the dps

[muted wind]

ultimately, again, you need to evaluate whole fleets, not individual ships

[undone plover]

Sure
And the chart is still useful for that
Just do dmg x 1.10

[muted wind]

[undone plover]

dismissing this is like looking at ship stat numbers for example FP and calling it useless

[hollow gust]

Just looking at FP is useless as fuck

[undone plover]

It is not

[muted wind]

it doesn't help with actually making fleets for anything, so... it is useless as far as i'm concerned

[viscid swift]

🍿

[plain saffron]

🍿

[hollow void]

Lion also has burn which is fun

[inland shoal]

The only reason the chart is useful at all is that every ship these days is a dps ship with some skills on the side

[undone plover]

So when making fleets u guys test 30-50 combinations?
Or just assume some stuff based on theory?

That is some dedication

[hollow gust]

Yes it is lmao . Mecklenburg completely dwarfs the fuck out of every BB in fp stat . Does she have that much of a damage advantage, no?

[hollow void]

Using tests to come to conclusions then using those tests to translate to all content

[undone plover]

Somehow I doubt anyone here does that
But I am happy to be corrected

[inland shoal]

No cuz the game is easy so you don't need an optimal solution

[hollow void]

Have fun doubting

[inland shoal]

Anyway I can tell you I have not once used a dps chart or raw stats to build a fleet
Though tbh the last time I actually built a fleet myself is long ago at this point

[harsh mason]

not that deep tbh u can clear basically all of the game content with/without X ship

[hollow gust]

If you chose fleets by most dps according to that chart you will have some shitty ass fleets

[undone plover]

Gph try to not bad faith what someone is saying challenge impossible

[hollow void]

Retirement gang, I only do one chart now

[undone plover]

Using top 6 BB in that chart in any combo and u will clear 100% of content

[hollow gust]

Sure pick top 3 dps for light and try it against the current meta . You will just lose

[muted wind]

let's be honest, any experience and knowledge of what you're dealing with will let you narrow down the reasonable options to test

[hollow void]

Best anti light gun

[lean latch]

🍿

[rapid grail]

🍿

[hollow void]

100% dps translates to performance

[undone plover]

So find me three BB that work for current meta who are not top light dps
I will wait for your extensive practical tests

[muted wind]

... isn't one of the best options for the current meta like lex2/york2/kear

[hollow void]

Yes

[muted wind]

... kear isn't even on the chart

[idle dagger]

Best yes. Working not only they

[hollow void]

I don't do meme meta builds anymore, but should be possible to use ships like Nevada to one shot

[inland shoal]

As I said sure it works, a lot of things in the game work and URs these days are just dps with added benefits

[muted wind]

well i feel like if we are already arguing, finding the "best" would be appropriate

[hollow gust]

Also Alsace outperforms over Bismarck with Eagle fleet , yet she is supposed to be "worse" according to the list

[undone plover]

I wonder if the person who found this ykii lexii kearsarge team tested 100 other combinations to reach that conclusion
We may never know
These tests are all mysteriously never shown

[idle dagger]

I'm not arguing at all about anything right now

[muted wind]

... are the teams still pinned? there is a google doc with them and that indicates testing so

[hollow gust]

Bismarck 4.1K anti light damage supposedly fucks up Fritz's 3.4, does that make sense?

[inland shoal]

You can probably also make a chart where you sort by release date and just use the top 3 from that

[undone plover]

So how do u know that fleet is top?
How many other fleets did u guys test?
Maybe some magical team exists that defied all theory
And just hasnt been tested yet

[peak fable]

is there a good replacement for kearsarge that isn't essex? I don't have access to kear yet.

[muted wind]

that... google doc has 9 teams, including kill rate and average damage

[hollow gust]

almost as if fleets are altered dependng on older metas....

[hollow gust]

Lion

[hard mesa]

Lion if you have her

[peak fable]

any other option than flat out slapping the strongest ship you have? xd

[lean latch]

Alsa

[undone plover]

I think some magical fleet is still available for this meta guys
I recommend u start testing
There are 150 untested combinations left
Maybe try warspite NJ vanguard
Who knows maybe worth it

[hollow gust]

now whos arguing in bad faith....

[muted wind]

this clearly isn't a good faith argument. you know what you're dealing with, trying obviously bad options is nonsense

[hollow gust]

its like you are being obviously obtuse

[hollow void]

It is arguing in good faith saying people should publish each test, obviously not posting what does actually one shot 100% true

[idle dagger]

I with friend tried all fleets from bilibili for current meta. Most of them not worked.

[undone plover]

How do u know they are bad?
Did anyone test it?

[white agate]

maybe we get a bug and it works

[hollow gust]

cause your friend's ships are way shittier

[hard mesa]

If not lion try shangri la or enty i guess?

[inland shoal]

If you don't have arguments that actually contribute to the conversation, just don't say anything, this goes for everyone. I have to go now, so try to behave

[hollow void]

Do you have the fleet tech? If you copy a comp without the fleet tech it won't work

[plain saffron]

bye thorin

[lean latch]

[muted wind]

yeah i think i'm good now too. bye

[haughty skiff]

whatever your strongest anti-light bb is since you seem to be on the newer side; lion, alsace, bis2, ect..

[lean latch]

Hope Lämp meta doesn't have high hp like regen

[peak fable]

thought so, I guess the answer really is "just use the strongest ship", because there aren't that many synergies that surpass individual ship power on the high end

[idle dagger]

Yes we didn't get mechanic at first, so searched for stable one. From like 10 fleets worked 3. Kear, YKII, LeXII best, but Alsace, Fritz, Lion ok too

[hollow gust]

Eagle? Cat?

The current meta literally shows how eagle comp is vastly superior to slapping the best ships on the list

[haughty skiff]

you really need to read the context

they just dont have kearsarge but have the rest (?) of the current comp for the meta fight

so atp just toss in the best anti-light bb and 2-shot it since it doesnt matter

[peak fable]

I guess I worded it badly, I meant it more so for ships outside of the top end synergies.
Like I can't just slap any other strong USS CV into the fleet instead, because they are either vastly inferior, or don't provide a synergistic buff.

[haughty skiff]

that wouldve been important to know

read the pinned guide; it explains the mechanics of the fight and how you can build around it, thats more impactful then any ship recommendations as you won't be going for a 1-shot

[nocturne zenith]

How much longer?
Also why us that opening video so low quality bruh

[lean latch]

46 min

[peak fable]

oh dw, I don't need help with the meta fight, I was just curious about Kear replacements other than Essex, that's all, still thanks for the input

[haughty skiff]

the entire gimmick is each highest stat ship applies a debuff stack, so the goal is to split the stacks within the fleet to avoid them sinking

[hard mesa]

Do you have some HVAR/skyrider? Because USS CV wouldnt work without it

[undone plover]

Lion would be a good replacement for kear in that fleet
Essex wouldnt rly do much

[haughty skiff]

dw, but if you just wanted to know this then it was also in the document (lion)

[timid beacon]

Is kearsarge worth building though?

[undone plover]

Depends on your dock really
But focus series 7-8 better

[idle dagger]

She is good for some content, but average for be used in most of content. Not pretending on anything, more skilled player will give better advice

[onyx flame]

niche role and with pr9 coming soon tm you prob wont be able to finish her in time

[timid beacon]

I hate how some of the best looking ships arnt insanely good

[timid beacon]

Sounds good

Isn’t la9 pr 6? Ima check I forgot

[idle dagger]

7

[undone plover]

7

[lean latch]

7

[grizzled heron]

67

[timid beacon]

Yeah it is

[ivory pawn]

Three 7s, jackpot!
6 is Hindenburg gun.

[lean latch]

Is this gear buff stackable

[undone plover]

What is your shipyard looking like

[idle dagger]

At this PR number we will get Yamato

[timid beacon]

Mine?

[lean latch]

Yamawhen but never Yamahow

[timid beacon]

Hmm shipyard what exactly should I take a picture of

[undone plover]

S7 and 8

[south sequoia]

am i tripping is this not just uvh's gimmick

[fiery swan]

Does anyone have the skills yet

[ivory pawn]

See Cheeky’s CN Datamine thread.

[south sequoia]

wow they really made a uvh 2

im rereading her entire kit this is literally just uvh

[viscid swift]

Her barrage is significantly better.

[grizzled sundial]

How much damage that misaka gun can deal with Gotz skill

[fiery swan]

Also re: fleet comp, is there a generic DPS carrier I can pair for anti heavy boss with Lion and Nakhimov paired with Moskva

[timid beacon]

I’m still on maintenance

[lean latch]

1

[timid beacon]

I’ll send once it’s over

[lean latch]

Only 21 mins left

[undone plover]

Oh forgot

[exotic sorrel]

20 minutes left I'm tweaking

[sharp furnace]

is there a best submarine team for the new ur submarine

[onyx flame]

inb4 maint extended

[inner delta]

meme about maint in other channel

[ivory pawn]

New sub + i-404 + idk, Flasher Flag? Or Homura, or some other good sub.

I’m using Maggiore for reasons.

[idle dagger]

Still using DaVinci

[muted wind]

identical buffs don't stack by default, this is no exception. so no.

[lean latch]

Does that mean Toolbox and this aux(or other gears with effect like it)don't work together

[fiery swan]

But Flagship Cover (Z52) stacks with Emergency Maneuvers (Get Down Mr President)?

[muted wind]

those aren't examples of identical buffs

[neon condor]

I'm getting notifications from Akashi about how they're starving in the dorm

[boreal wagon]

they do

(read: its not the same buff)

[lean latch]

oh I might be dumb

[muted wind]

i believe toolbox doesn't stack with some other things, like one of ingraham's effects i think? i think i'm misremembering. or this just doesn't work for different reasons.

[whole crypt]

toolkit doesn't stack heals with tookit but HP stacks

[muted wind]

yeah i somehow misremembered that ingraham just applied the same buff as the toolkit, which obviously isn't the case

[whole crypt]

heals that are not using the tookit heal skill still work

[muted wind]

-# oh cool this sure is a time to discover that toolkits don't heal at >99%. interesting.

[hollow void]

Don't think you got an answer, but no, gear buffs unique

[muted wind]

-# i did answer, which led to this discussion. funny for it to get reburried tho

[hollow void]

Oh I see now, I am just EN

[lean latch]

[exotic sorrel]

Can Meck even perform well with Lion + GvB? I've always thought Zwei is an important teammate for her

[fluid fjord]

I saw a pin for data mine info and that maintenance isn’t over yet but do we know if the new units/retrofit are any good or just average?

[hollow void]

UR are UR, so good yes

[undone plover]

She just needs 1 ironblood main for rld buff

[muted wind]

meck deals good damage either way and lion is probably just too strong overall to swap out. i'd say main question for what you want to do are reload breakpoints.
-# not that it likely matters much in this combination

[exotic sorrel]

2 minutes left

[muted wind]

... oh wait yeah the rld buff is in meck's kit nvm lol

[idle dagger]

In 2 minutes: "maintenance continued for 2 more hours"

[exotic sorrel]

Don't jinx it 😭

[muted wind]

... ah yeah bismarck only buffs FP/TRP/AA for other ships, that's my mistake. whoops. yeah maybe not super important?

[hollow void]

2 days*

[exotic sorrel]

Yah that, I assumed Zwei had like "insane" iron blood buffs and she's almost a needed pair..

[high flame]

2 apologems?

[lean latch]

100 oil?

[exotic sorrel]

Oh it's here

[onyx flame]

isnt zwei mainly there to help fulfill one of meck skills

that and the blackhole helps land more shots or something

[sweet merlin]

LET ME INNNN

[harsh mason]

LOL

[lean latch]

Nah

[wind hazel]

meck gets slightly more dmg from the blackhole succ effect

[hollow void]

I can 1 up you in impatience

[harsh mason]

wait for like XX:05 whatever timezone ur in

[plain saffron]

[lyric bobcat]

@muted wind JP got an 80 mb Data DL, can you see for what that was?

[elfin zenith]

SAME BROO

[nocturne zenith]

Or not..

[tulip tinsel]

what about the new sub is she better than error code?

[ivory pawn]

Dunno, but you’ll probably be using both optimally so doesn’t matter yet.

[harsh mason]

expecting 6767 apologems 💯

[hollow void]

Can use together, no fleet restriction on either anyways

[nocturne zenith]

Atleast 2026

[tulip tinsel]

both will be only 1 lb anyway....

[sweet merlin]

did it get extended?

[ivory pawn]

Both will be more crossfleet while farming then.

[tulip tinsel]

true

[forest palm]

[nocturne zenith]

So what's that new auto mode like?
I mean the currency for it as in

[exotic sorrel]

Let me in please

[plain saffron]

not this patch

[exotic sorrel]

There's a new auto mode ?

[tulip tinsel]

i don't think that's gonna be implemented for a while

[sweet merlin]

pls dont extend the main, pls dont extend the maint

i need my dual l2d skin

[exotic sorrel]

Yikes I don't have enough storage to update

[tulip tinsel]

ppl this ain't general

[harsh mason]

maint extended to 12 hours incoming

[nocturne zenith]

But there's no gameplay rn...
Badumtss

[ivory pawn]

Something like the autodeploy against old META bosses, except based on clear time, uses a special currency, and for campaign stages.

[ivory pawn]

Good point, should ask the mods to mute the channel.

[exotic sorrel]

That sounds crazy useful, same concept but applied to campaign + other modes?

[tulip tinsel]

save up enough to 125 6 ships instantly 🔥

[hollow void]

Campaign at start, opsi later iirc

[harsh mason]

another 100mb of files