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very broadly yes though you probably won't be able to just determine how tanky a ship is just by doing that
there's a lot of math and RNG involved
So how do I tell what ship is best to put there then?
so renhex is not using renhex at all anymore 
Some ships also tank better or worse in different areas (which iirc the ehp sheet does account for)
ultimate guide maker
well you can consult the end game tier list to see what their potential is in various categories such as AA capabilities, damage, and performance overall in late game content
the progression guide covers the basics of fleet building for the main campaign
Well I did kinda write the credits lines, I forgot renhex existed as a name
How strong is Lexington against light? Does she make USS fleet strongest against light armor content again?
and after that it's just asking a lot of questions and listening to others
there's no light boss hard enough to test
not gonna know until the next light armor META
but uss is probably competitive now
technically you could try testing her on tempy next month
too easy
In the guide it says that elridge retro has more ehp than azuma, but that doesn't make her a better tank just because of the ehp right?
but tempy isn't hard enough honestly
Is her damage output higher than Yorktown?
we basically have to wait for light META or the next light CM?
I can't be arsed to test against CM
or any of the light dossiers?
all of them are also too easy
Eldridge average variance is quite high and also buffs the ehp of other ships so is rarely the tankoest
it does because azuma is quite useless and eldrdige makes the entire fleet tankier
I mean yeh they're easy by today's standards but you can still at least compare LexII's performance against older comps
Oh, I thought Azume was one of the best CAs
its gonna do more dmg though most likely but the problem is we don't know how much more
Average variance, sorry?
Azuma is the oldest CB and she didn't age well
She’s probably the worst UR CB
bosses today outside of 2025 METAs are just so easly overkillable
clear time is also a metric
I mean
Why is she so bad?
that can be misleading though esepcially if we're talking about 3 strike vs 4 strike
where is riceist when you need him
everyone else is a better stat stick basically
Banned
shouldn't have gotten his ass banned
Eldridge's skill proc rate is... less than ideal sometimes
She only does damage and not very well at that. Before, she still was kinda tanky as a CB but even DDs out tank her now
why do we need rice for this
eldridge can either be an immortal or a fly getting swatted
we kinda treat rainbows in their own vacuum because they require so much more investment than SRs
doesn't he have a sim engine
Unholy mentioned
I'm a fool, I thought eldridge was elbing.
so Azuma is good if we compare her to all vanguards in the game but in that top bracket she's quite bad, relatively
azuma does damage? first time i've heard of that
My lex is on perma PvP duty so
you don't need rice specifically to sim stuff and we don't need his sims specifically to determine LexII here
is she actually good or what
pvp guide updated, go read
For pvp yeah
Expect to do exercises a lot earlier
I'm still getting mine up to 125
I would test but I’m out of plates
But we need to compare against Lion comps
what about Lion LexII comps 

I have two and one is useless
I've gone back to using my +13 wyverns for OS because I moved my spearfish to lex
It has been fabled that lyme is good
Just get another +13 spear
in case you guys wonder how 👴 keep running out of plates
Okay, assuming Sakawa is the same level as the others, is this a better fleet for farming 12-4?
I saw in guide but I'm already using yukikaze so I just didn't bother cogging another ship
you don't used maxed ships for farming W12 on safe
What level should they be approximately then?
Understandable, current meta is now just a frontline battle to see who’s laffey dies last and fries lex
One message removed from a suspended account.
like this is my current W12 farm fleet
level 90 to 100 is the average
Alright, thank you.
Do ghost weapons fire faster than whatever trash you have on your backline
I think so yes
Wait where do we find the pvp guide?
also that's their stock gear
What’s the reason for not slapping on offensive gear
MvP control
Who is supposed to mvp 
Cleveland META
Oh lol
#pvp , take a loot in their pins
Holy fumo haven’t seen that in a while
Dear god
There’s more
there is?
Is this better?
I'll level wakatsuki and sakawa up ofc.
yes though whether those ships are worth leveling is another matter....
I remember when I used to run two farm fleets
How do I know what is worth leveling?
Just the meta?
I'd priortize first any ships I might use for pushing content and then just tech
Alright, so how can I find out which ships I have would be useful for pushing content?
I know I need heavy AA for 13.
you could start a thread and post your dock here
So like.. who's the best 3rd main fleet ship to pair with Meck and Bis Zwei btw?
Esp for like Opsi / Siren stuff
# says flag 404 might be able to 3-reload G7eK 
Alsp what would be 3 good vanguard ships for that same fleet? Just tryna optimize my Opsi fleets rn
These are my current opsi fleets
And these are all my available UR ships.
did you know you can see all 4 of ur fleets just by going to the changing tab lol
or even the fleet screen would be a better view

anyway what level of optimization are you after because if it works it's good enough, otherwise you're just copying all the same cookie cutters
which would basically involve taking apart at least half of every fleet you have there
Well last month I attempted to beat the siren in the middle of the map the 2nd time but was just short of being able to do it. But this time I'll have Meck who I'll have Max LB tomorrow. Figured that'd get me that last lil bit
did you have the same ships at the same level last month, and did you challenge the arb with enough adapts
because even now you haven't capped on the adapts needed for max bonus
I bought more adepts this month, and my fleets might be a lil diff this month, I forget.
november strength is hard, it's normal if you cannot kill it if your fleets and gear aren't optimized
you don't need to buy any but you need to grind more
My Fleet 1 is just my turn my brain off mob fleet
you can pretty much turn your brain off for mob with Unicorn and a good high tiered tank nowadays
But yeah, wasn't sure what to swap around for my fleets 2-4 to have better performance
the rest of the fleet is just gravy or how fast you clear
for a start your meck is also not complete
She'll be Max LB tomorrow, just need 3 more prints which are already in queue
Meck/Bis/Lion/Agir/Traf/Z52 should pretty much murder any boss in OS then
the rest you can muck around
Also If I swap out Musashi for Lion, should I change any of the Vanguard ships for that fleet too? Also who should I use for fleet 2 then entirely if I'm taking out Lion
Ahh, okie dokes
drop agir, use plymouth
or that didn't notice Plymouth
So Plymouth in the front then two DDs?
the unused UR BBs with crossfleets can all just go into one of the fleets for barrage if you want
z52 is tankier lol
doesnt matter, z52 or ply will survive
yeh but if you put Plymouth off you can also afford to give her a fumo instead, maybe
if still need 2nd fleet, use your IJN CV. amagi hakuhou shinano eldridge helena unzen
So Plymouth, Traf, and Z52 in that order? Or?
not a huge difference
honestly I'd just shove Musashi/Alsace/Soyuz into another fleet slot for crossfleet and it can double as a finisher fleet
Any good lineup suggestions for Fleet 2 then with the changes I'm making?
as long as traf is in the middle the difference is not that significant
remind me Amagi gets 50% faster first launch if used with any of 1st CD?
What'd be a good 3rd ship that isn't Soyuz for that fleet. Plan to keep her with Nakhi for my mob fleet. Also what'd be a good vanguard for that fleet with all the ships being swapped around
that's what I'm thinking of doing next month if I don't move Lion into mob
NJ
lars calc doesn't put preload on the timeline?
alsace has 2 storage anyway
Vanguard suggestions for that fleet since I'm yoinking Traf
you can use something else for mob though, like they'll work for mobbing but you're wasting them in a mob setup regardless if you sync them
@tame pivot either this or BB, same vanguard. or drop eldridge for agir if BB

it's all similar looking timelines with Unicorn/Independence/(Luna/Bois)
so it's pretty much a damage/coverage comparison

whats the arby armor type this month
prob should do this before i start the new years bender
heavy
since i already had 1 hvar at 70k pts, i should stop and back to focus on ch12 right? there is 1 last week and the shop I have left is this
Buy the oil.
And the gold augment modules, limited gear skins ... and cleve meta if you don't have her. How are you at 70k points with so much left in the shop to buy
shoulda wait till the end of the event to get the dupe
100 coin per voucher worth trust
Willy2nd dupe took like 30k pts without me realizing it
it would have taken less if you just waited till the end of the event
Does anyone know why it's showing this?
Do I not have more space for specialized cores? (Currently I have 3.3k )
you can only earn 5k a month
(excluding medal shop)
you hit the monthly limit
the cap is on how many you can EARN a month
it caps at 5k per month
Oh.. Thanks guys
working on hard 14-2. Don't understand why sometimes my boss fleet does fine but usually it's wiped out
i'll add shimanto
i can tell the battleships are the problem. blasting my backline
just sometimes they do a lot less dmg than other times. must be the burns
you need to do mitigate burns and make sure you kill the BBs fast enough
the bbs are tough
they are but you still have to kill them ASAP
do you manual them?
if your fleet can't do it auto then yes
Been facing this issue since yesterday. Restarted my device, my WiFi, reinstalled the game but still the same. Anyone knows how to solve this?
it's usually an aggregate of strong vanguard DPS and staggering your main fleet attacks to cover them spawning
allow the usage of storage from app setting if still fail try vpn
a VPN probably, or anything else that can reroute your connection, short of checking if your connection has the game servers blocked somehow
got it
I was abit too rush on her
Tho there is 1 more week for the event, i hope 7 daily rewards would enough for oil and coin
is nahimov the highest priority for pr7/8? i have enough to dev 30 her but only if i use both dr7/8 bps. dont have anyone else unlocked/dev 30 (except napoli but she dev 10)
Is there another way to get this
I had enough cleave meta i think
use pr7 bps on nakh, pr8 on meck
nakh also gets the catchup in a month ish for 150 bps
Beside well giving for free from Handbook tutorial, the most common are Hardmode and its dailyquest
-# you can check the commons resource page @pseudo prism on the guidewebsite
aight
Got it
even when i manually target the bbs in the back, they still don't get destroyed.......hard14-2
how does this increase again? is it actually just keep clearing sector in opsi? just gain massive bonusess after farming c5
harby gives a lot but you can see the conversion rate in storage
(90 per day is assume you clear the highest Hardmode campaign)
Or else just reduce the amount based on your lvl
i need to update that with w14 amounts 
i added fire extinguishers to all the main ships since i can't seem to kill those bbs
fast enough
I wonder if there's a strategy to leak some enemy rammers to purposefully reveal your main fleet, then have Musashi with double defensive auxes tank the BBs
14-2 boss is just that hard, you can try the 1 or 3 if you must farm 14
i'm thinking about putting off 14-3 14-4 for awhile........ are they as hard as 14-2
Their mobs are incomparably harder than 14-1 and 14-2 mobs. 14-3 boss is easier than 14-2 boss
Is there a way to clear W14 hard with 3 stars on lethal?
people have done it, so yes
well it's anecdotal, but i'm 1 for 1 with my new set of upgraded fire extinguishers. 14-2 cleared
and 3 starred too
is there advice for 14-3? wasted a ton of oil before asking about 14-2
start stacking asw on mob
For me, the out of ammo debuff was what was hardest, so I used BisZ with the certificate of sponsorship and 3* 14-3+4. For me they all had rudders, then table for BisZ and a cata for the CVs
lion is suited for mob because she's super good vs subs
I also used the ASW plane on Volga and hedgehog on Eld
what’s the best augment gear for lexington 2
Carriers should be using scepter by default in most cases
ok ty
Are abyssal maps harder than strongholds in opsi?
it can be
stronghold can be cheesed with port healing, abyssals you're limited to 4 fleet+regroup heal
Yeah it didn’t go well I was close tho
Is this a story related zone or need specific steps to unlock it?
ye need to clear ch5 or something
you still have the red [!] so i assume you're still doing story
I think you get some introductory quest to unlock the middle after 5
Ohhh I’m on Chapter 4-SP
clear your hidden logs, last day today
Which SR ship should I get?
Hidden logs?
either graf, kuyb, impero or riche, whichever you need more for faction tech. the rest can be gotten from elsewhere permanently, like from medal shop
your yellow treasure chests, those are the hidden loggers
you can just pop a few AP box until you're close to 200 AP, and use strategic search to do them
Ohhhh aight then
strat is locked to the logger so make sure you have that
I'm not doing kearsarge right now. Should I take it still?
I’m at 6/7 for Roon i’m thinking I get Graf :3
Although i’m developing Saint Louis right now
roon wants vanguard, graf is a main fleet
would
Oh I don’t have vanguard. But maybe I just get Graf so I can develop Roon later. Idt I would have any other ships from Impero or Kuyb’s factions.
I do like Riche’s looks doe 👀
which light boss in dossier has the least gimmicks
idk either helmet or jintsuu
kirov meta is pretty ez
all of them are 🫃🏼
why gimmick when you can not gimmick amirite
yeah that cn cook is really good
did all 4 dossier bosses perfectly
those aren't really that high of a bar...
on the basis of not having any other light bosses
I beat the arbiter on normal. Do I need to do anything to switch the arbiter to hard? I came back to the arbiter and it seemed a little easy.
you simply re enter after killing normal
Ohhhhh. It looks like like if I leave to heal, the Arbiter will get it’s ho back. Is that correct?
if you leave it resets back to 100%
Hah. Not so easy then. 😅
Do it with Lion + 4
Of these remaining, which one should I take again before claiming WillyD?
you bought the cat boxes and cleve dupes before chips and arrays?
Need another kansen for commission 


willy has priority over anything else
do not buy anything, get willy by next tuesday/wednesday, then get the remaining things
my willy
only thing i buy before the ur is oil to spend on the event lmao 
Alright thankyou
same first thing that i buy is oil also
not buying the gear skins first rookie move 

Which one should I choose? Is there any that is usable? If not, should I just pick with my heart?
they all just collect , so choose wt u want
thats kinda funny since richy used to be like the peak
Ok, thank you!! So whichever I choose, they're unusable?
mostly unusable
id say richy is still very good for most stuff
Then I'm gonna either choose Impero or Belfast, which is better?
theres just too many rainbow BBs now
graf and richy aren't bad, but also nowhere near great
richy should be way better than graf tho
might as well use them for faction tech
doesn't matter who, pick who you like better
isnt belfast in medal shop
or just hold on to the invite item
I dont think ive ever used the invite items lmao
surely you prioritise CV and BB for faction tech, could help a lot early on
especially if you don't have ships to farm research exp with
if you don't know what to pick, just keep the item until you do
I dug out a several year old invite to retrofit Essex because I was out of bulins then
Where does one check which ships have the extra ASW launcher mount? W14 hard is kicking my ass
I wonder what year this is from, like 2019 probs
there aren't a lot of ships with special ASW, if you need ch14H help might be easier if you let us know what you have to work with
I just need another DD with special ASW, I remember Eldridge and Hammam II having them but need a third DD
i really dont thnk you should need that much
sub is like the least of ur worries in 14H lmao
would vanguard like that even live long enough
eldridge with hedgehog probably solos assuming the other 2 vg have a bit of asw to increase range
you could also use asw plane aux on unicorn
Eldridge retrofit with Hedgehog works if it's not out of ammo
Idk my backline was dying to the subs, should I go more tank focus?
right you are using eldridge retro right
are you using CAs or smth ol
are you sure it's the subs or are they being eaten up by BBs
coz normal eldridge is just waste of space
Yes with the golden hedgehog
also +13 your Hedgehog if it isn't already
are you sure ur actually losing health to subs and not from snipes
Tbh no clue, are there sample fleets for H14?
check pins there's stig and jimmy clear vids
Alright thanks
the bottom line is unless you're out of ammo there's no reason Eldridge + Hedgehog isn't enough for the subs
I was so paranoid about subs I even made this abomination
warspite is so bad that you probably just take more dmg instead lol
that's probably making your runs worse than just using a better BB
i just ran this but i havent done all stages yet
thing is unless you're sure it's subs that's killing you there's not much we can do, also if you need more detailed help start a thread before plastering screenshots
Unzen? 
top is my boss fleet
unoathed eld
Alright, first I went full AA then full ASW when I needed to rainbow spam, good to know lmao
How can i unlock SP missions in Note throughthe firmament event?
Can I use Belfast in my vanguard fleet if it has Laffey-Portland-Helena?
I wouldn't
But will it screw me up in the game?
oathing eld for pvp lmao
there used to be a guy who coped about belfast being good due to smokes
There's no way to screw up your account besides scrapping hedgehog, opening all tech boxes and scrapping all the gear, not doing daily raids for 3 years, and refusing to use the help you receive from this channel
oh yeah they've never had a reobtainable hedgehog
i think scrapping hedgehog is only really bad thing you can do by accident
why is that even possible anyway
I fuckign knew alpha would use berke emote lmao
I was like besides the hedgehog that all sounded awfully familiar
believe it or not, there's active players that choose to stay below w12 because they're just that lazy/unbothered
Below Chapter 6
ive seen someone have ch9 highest cleared after years of gameplay
i am still at 14-1 kek
like 14 I can understand
but there are legit players who are on regularly and don't progress
bro what round of best girl voteare we on
not a single frontline made it through
funny how meck skin might actually turn the tide against musashi
just need 5 more HVAR prints 
-# incoming see you next year jokes
please put musashi shitters down,I don't care who wins
8th or smth for you?
Im pretty content with 6
i got my 6th recently
should be, since I have 5 and 70 prints now
wait why are you even farming, are you still not at 80k for some reason
holy shit im coting for URin
based af
I just don't want excess prints if I craft
fair
i have 1 excess
or i can throw my life away and get 24 more
watch me overshoot to 76 from 74 or some shit
do it for funsies
its funny because its hella possible since you can have upto 4 drops in 1 run
hmm with this i will hav just nice 5 hvar (i have 2 plen on hand)
are we turning into bp flex central
its always fun to see noobs complain about farming hvar rates when they have 3 weeks
like i had 7 days
and to think i almost ditched the hvar i got (joined AL just before yt2 original run)
- and barely farmed x 1 hvar on yt2 rerun
you had 7 days and 100k oil
its probably pretty equal
And no life
btw whats up with the summons on the meta battle fleets
are they actually good or is there just some gimmicks
yk2 gimmick, takes more dmg the more "allies" you have
a unit contributing to 3-4 units including self at once is often close to a helena+radar proc
sounds pretty massive then
not sure if kursk and her mini-subs bug was fixed
problem is you need summons to be alive when ur backline shoots
so common stuff is like, momo and laffii for carriers, and then probably kurumi for BBs
the permanent stacking was fixed
kinda fucked up to beat meta ship with the power of friendship
The belfast oath skin is MAJESTIC, how does affinity work? Is it hard to reach 100 from 50?
it's about 800 fights with Belfast in the fleet, if she doesn't get MVP, but also the fights must be done with green morale
Wow.... Do gifts do anything?
the rainbow one gives 5 affinity
the gold ones give 1
they're only available through a lot of grinding in the island planner mode
So they're locked to me.... Thank you for the information, I found a new objective to achieve!!! But last question, how do you get a wedding ring?
gem/iirc game gives you one for free
you get one for free from the game for the first ship you get to 100 affinity
anniversary should hand 1 out each year
the rest are paid only
Wow, that's so cool!! Thank you so much!!
the game also very rarely hands them out, if there's an occasion for it
I mean, it's one of their best ways to make profit, I don't blame them
I contribute to the cause
What do these cool projects do? What are blueprints? Are they, like, "oh you need an obscene amount of them to unlock the ship"?
for a start tap on this and pick PR8 for focus first
the shipyard/reserach system comes in two parts
you have to pick a ship to unlock in the shipyard, which is done by grinding XP with specific sets of ships based on faction and position in fleet, as well as paying in retrofit prints, coins and cubes
once the ship is completed it will need blueprints to be fully developed, which is similar to LBing and enhancing for regular ships
the blueprints part is what you do projects in the research academy for, alongside obtaining prints for PR gear
overall research/shipyard is a long process and you can't really do very much with it early in the game when you first unlock it
Thank you a lot for explaining! I kinda get it now!!
So I pulled some more and got 2 SR's, are any of the 2 good?
Albion is not bad but i-19 isn't much use, subs overall also don't really come in till later
are you still just pulling for Lexington II and/or Cowpens?
I got Cowpens, but I REALLY want Lexington II,
how much more till pity?
61/200, I barely started playing
It's a lost cause I know
unless you get really lucky you're wating for the rerun
dw we all were there once
u still have a few days so u still have hope
But what really makes me pull is to expand the viable ship options, and the gambling feeling (which is not the best, since the game always downloads some MBs of stuff before a new ship)
Thank you!! Hopefully. Is this much of a setback for a new player?
not really rerun just takes 2 years , by then maybe better ships will come out
nov-feb is just a really hard time for new players as theres collab> new UR> rerun UR events back to back
Ik it's full of temptations and all 
yea after first year u will start to have less problem
This is a problem? From what I played, this game feels better as a starter player (the worst tier I assume) than any other gacha as a veteran player, this is AWESOME!
which one should i choose?
it's a selector
I can do some 10-pulls without a plan and it won't set back my progression by 2 lightyears
i don’t have any of these so which one should i choose
this game good part is if u really need to pay they all will go for skins and dock space, as getting cube and money is really easy later on, and getting a 100% collection is easy as they will rerun older ships later on,
I'll never stop glazing this game I swear
if ur f2p u will roughly have 300 dock space
overall not having the best shiny new ships is not a significant setback, you won't have the resources to fully utilize them early on anyway
avoid building excessively once you're done with the banner or outside of banners, you don't really need to expand options very much to get to midgame and in fact saving resources for when you get there will be better
Ok, thank you for the thoughtful advice

if you're F2P your dock space is at the mercy of the gem handouts during CNY and anniversary
if u want to collect them all now total ships is around 700
you can get more than 300 but it's going to take time between waiting for free gems and pushing progression for gems
it's also why we generally don't recommend buying skins if you're F2P
can anyone help with this? thank u so much
just pick one that you like, if not just hold on to the invite, it stays in your inventory forever
They're all really old and stuff, choose which you want
non all collection , chooese wt u love
kk, thank u!
you could keep it until say, you just need that one ship for unlocking research
or you just decide that you like any one of them more
keep them its a memory
Should I use the bulin on any of these? Or keep it for now (sorry I'm new)
keep until you can mlb one, ask again when you can
Don't apologice, it's totally fine to ask for that here 
wait til you realise the wonders of skins
and after the 1st one more will come
are packs with UR bulins common like the one we have now? considering getting it since I want skins anyway
I don't remember URins in packs being common at all
i think this is the first time
well well well 💳
at least for me ( just playeed 2 years)
tbh URins are easy to earn now days
u get like 2 per month instead of 1 with just monthly limit
true but I want the gems anyway, I guess double gem pack is better value though
not counting pass and all that
yea the most expsnsive one is the best if its ur first time as that gives double
the current gem+URin pack is roughly as efficient as a luckbag(l2d/l2d+ recieved) purely from a gem standpoint
I would insta grab it if I were you because luckybags are bitches
how long till current event end? i wanna grab 2 more plane if possible
7d+like 20 hrs
nice that they did give us 3 weeks with what the drop rate has been though

my only problem i need to change the fleet one by one when mood ran out
btw is cleveland meta good?
the only drop rate that's relevant specifically to an UR event make it being 3 weeks rather moot
decent standard gold ship in events
aka 🚮 in the world of rainbow spam
tyty
Cowpens would like to disagree
i wouldnt describe cowpens as a decent standard gold ship
is she bad? Gameplay-wise. Design-wise she is a choice to be sure. But this is not the channel for this
Sigh, I didn't get to finished opsi
she's one of the best gold cv(l)s, filling the off-healer role but also having decent damage
Oh well what's the Armor for January Opsi
opsi lasts like 20 more hours
L
U have 18hrs 
january is Light.....
yeah 18 hrs is huge, if only I have the time that is
yes, we're still in December
18hrs of what?if it's not a secret
until the next month
i got 11
ingame next month not irl
aaa
we have no care for time zones here
Doesn't matter what you get , server runs on different times
-# yes end of service soon
on January 7th new characters will appear, or those that were?
we have 100s of fletchers and yamato
no, it's the end of current event. we have another UR rerun on the 15th
oh, you meant to imply that she was better then decent
yeeepi
If I have hsfct +13 and table +10, what's better for Lion until I +13 the table?
the +13 one
Okay, thank you
actually lemme check lol
pretty sure table is batter
nvm table is better +10
fire table unless in opsi without capped siren bonus damage
table is now a limited monthly item right, like max 2 per acct?
limited not monthly
Okay, thanks 
smh how greedy they couldn't have made it 3 for 3 bbs on backline
you know why they dont make it 3?
nah
go on
i dont know either, thank you
Veterans that already had it can't buy the shop ones?
because items gotten in that shop are limited to the total number of times it was able to be gotten before being added to limited shop
if they wanted they couldve added it to regular monthly or something
is the clarence k bronson from the event good?
Simply for having ARA she's baseline transitionally useful, Kazagumo from the medal shop is a direct upgrade
What do you mean by ARA?
is she better than my laffey?
Hence Bronson is far stronger than Pasadena
Okay makes sense. Thought thats what it meant but had to check
Guys where i can find updated tier list?
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Thanks sir
50% of AL gameplay is not looking at the screen
the other 50% is doing what it takes to not need to look at the screen
100% of my AL gameplay is yapping on gph
have 3 bulins who do i max
what other URs do you have
wait for one more and finish BisZwei
U37 gud submarine?
unlucky maxing, how can I sleep with a queue this short
what am i supposed to choose here?
san diego
ty
but spec core first if you didn't already
kk, will do
set an alarm 
I simply lost 30 cubes today due to 0.5s and shit options 
ugh alarm for 2hrs, then I wont be able to sleep due to new year fireworks
just dont sleep
is graf zeppelin good for mob?
purple better right?
yes

When is opsi gonna end?
is it me or is the battle pass too easy ?
now i have a month of waiting
tmr reset time (jp 4pm)
Ohhh I have to time to grind the last bits then
it's meant to be easy so basically anyone can clear it without paying or being super active
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Does kurumi clones have asw
as far as I could tell no
i see
They have ASW (The stat)
But as summons generally don't inherit any of the weapons the summoner has they can't put their asw stat to use
well there's the shitty ghost depth charge but by the looks of it the clones don't inherit that, and they use their own unique weapon based on skill level anyway
Yeah as I said they don't inherit weapons, they always only get their own special stuff
should i add lexington II and Helena to this fleet to make it better? obviously still working on getting everyone 125
helena>yuudachi?
where are you using this fleet
i think i want to make this into a boss fleet
i’ve been using it as a mob fleet
clearing story and event
that's pretty much way more than enough for any event and campaign up to ch12 though
other problems aside
true
if you are looking for a boss fleet for harder content then it depends on where you're bossing specifically
otherwise the changes are unnecessary, though I would swap out UvH because she's wasting XP
also if you use her it's usually for her off-flag gimmick so she's kind of in the wrong spot
got it, who should i put in place of her
anything that can get XP and won't die in ch12 or D3, whichever you're farming
is it out of reach for me to clear the EX at this point
EX normal shouldn't be a real problem unless your gear is bad
If my BB fleet is Lion Musashi Vanguard, what should be the firing order?
everyone dies my gear MIGHT be bad
lion would naturally be second/last since musashi uses daisen gun
no one will know untill u show them
I see Ulrich
where are ur wep my friend
So... Something like Musashi -> Vanguard -> Lion?

Vanguard should be faster regardless
Vanguard first?
more like unless you meck gun lion or uneven oath she prob cant fire before the 2 due to vg being fast and musashi using a twin gun
probably should move to a thread....
true
My Lion and Sashi are oathed just in case
how do i do that again
that would complicate things hang on
oh i found it
I dont think the oath would matter
it does
My vanguard is still 120 if that helps with reload
doubt lion is catching up to vg even if vanguard gets jammed once
boss fleet for story/clearing EX stage
no that makes it worse... you want Vanguard to shoot first
Okay, I'm farming 12-4 still
u want vg to shoot before ur main dmg BB
I'll copy your setup if that syncs good 
if VG120 and Musashi/Lion 125 oath then give VG Flandre gun instead
assuming you don't have meck gun
I will farm for her 125 dw
I have 1 Lions 1 mk7 but I want the medium/heavy guns
doesn't matter too much she's falling behind without oath
I see. I don't have Flandre guns yet
I can farm for it
Could you send the setup you made please? Or is the one from before?
Vanguard buff will reach Lion fire?
Vanguard is going first and everyone is jammed anyway
Jammed means waiting to fire?
Damn Flandre is prototipe. I've got 3 champagne and still going for the ur plane 
what gun are you using for Musashi then
Daizen's
can you craft a second Daisen gun
Not yet
I'm close to Izumo's if that helps
Alright, thanks for all 
For the selection ticket, who is the hardest to aquire normally?
impero maybe idk or riche
Graf, Impero, Kuybe, and Riche should be Build-only iirc, while Bismark and Belfast are in medal and South Dakota is in Merit.
how to complete this?
Take a level 100 shipgirl, and Enhance her via the Enhance screen in her info page to max.
I only have today (before next daily reset) to clear opsi now right? before opsi reset
how many strongholds do I have stacked up if I've only cleared 1
u can stay inside opsi and dont come out so it wont reset
5 if my math is right
only 6 per month?
its 2 at the start plus 1 every week reset
oh I see, ty
Wait so should I be on PR1 for my first?
i mean do you have the faction tech to do the more useful ones like anchorage/agir/fdg first?
what's the best way to leveling up commander level ?
use a full fleet then run stages, preferable ones that is either oilcapped or event
Not sure?
#1441564631268331721 could I get some thoughts on temporary opsi fleets
this year black friday had no special 1$ pack right? i remmeber last year having like 200 gems for 1$, but i think i had not seen it this year
there wasnt one 
who should i retrofit after unicorn?
Depends on who you have. Portland’s a common recommendation, but maybe you’re already using a better tank.
Event stage ends tommorow right?
Only started a few days ago cause got busy so farming as hard as I couls
No, one more week.
Ends on the 7th of january
would still appreciate some help in my thread 
same here
which one do I choose? the one I like or?
who are better tanks than portland? should i send my list of units
Bismark and belfast are in medal shops
south dakota is in merit shops
prob pick one of the other 4 depending on which faction tech you need 
aight
faction tech is for shipyard right
Is this an ok sync? 1 champ gun 1 Flandre and Daizen's on Sashi
spec core>>>>>>>> san diego from cl >>>> anyone you need for tech/waifu from ca
spec core>=SR bulin>=SR ship for tech/stat>>>>> elite bulin till you need them>>>>>everything else
hell no
the one worth doing is the E 2hr that ask you to scrap 15 gear
👍
There’s quite a few, but if you’re less than 2 weeks in I doubt you have any, feel free to just retro Port. She’s dirt cheap anyways.
is it required to use indianapolis with portland or can i just use portland by herself
port alone is good. indiana sucks, dont use
~~not me running both back in 2018
~~
ok ic
What do you think about this fleet? Once I get a ring for Vanguard the Rammer will be swapped with White Shell
There is no point oathing vanguard , just wait till a better Bb comes 
looks ok, give the CL swords
what is that gun on musashi
Okay, both?
ye
Daisen's gun (you mean main gun right?)
Alright
Also there are faster guns then the champagne, no reason Vanguard of all ships need a rammer
It's for the sync
is it better than the purple 410 kai on musashi
pretty sure they are using rammer for the sync
which still makes no sense considering how damn fast vanguard is
Purple 410 kai is for mobs while Daizen's is for medium heavy armor
Yes, I still don't have the ring so without it musashi fires before her
I plan to oath her anyways so this is temporary
It's just not worth oathing her , it causes more problems then not
just give her the triple 380
how is your musashi firing before vanguard
Without rammer vg
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I don't have a 380 triple
380 is pretty easy to get, get to work
But is it bad to oath Vanguard?
either dont oath everyone or you oath everyone. else you get headache like this
oath vanguard absurdly outspeeds everyone
cant you use autoloader
Le me check
well tbh they are... pretty much the same thing
Yes, even rammer provide a bit of fp
+10 autoloader desync point 3
oathing vanguard will also lead to desync lol
use a lower level one then
Actually no, according to this
the easiest option is getting a 380
well, have fun then
vanny oath this damage and age
Thanks...
i really dont suggest this route though. soyuz and alsace rerunning next year, you're gonna replace both musashi and vanguard lol
Actually, I'm rising Zwei and Mecklen so I gues that will be enought. Rammer vanguard for now until Mecklen dev30 and Zwei mlb?
or just max zwei and not use vanguard.....
Unless you're going for 4 strikes the more obvious solution would be to just double shell Musashi
zwei does not need mecklenburg 
When I got that I'll don't worry count with that
I'm trying to use something meanwhile
Well thanks chat I'll try this a bit more until they get replaced 
also yeah, doesnt daisen gun musashi just run double shell and go slower
am I missing something here? i can't claim the item
you can only earn 5k per month
techly u can wait untill tmr as its still in the same week
i see, thanks for the answer
you can read the details on this page
Which is more efficient Vs. Yorktown meta, BBs + Kurumi or Soyuz, Nahkimov, Fritz?
you are gonna want momo for sonahkfritz
just to confirm i should only use specialised cores on bulins right
Yes
The other items are retrofit items for some SRs

btw which one should I use
just grab ships you need the faction tech for
helldiver
suisei sucks, jut use helldiver for everything until tenrai
those stats speak for themselves 2000lb bomb and 500lb vs 1000 lb and 100lb
wait i didnt even realise the 1000lb vs 2000lb whoops
not every higher rarity means better after all
Yo which one should I get guys? I already have Richelieu, Bellfast and Graf. I also have Bismark Zwei so I dunno if Bismark is rly worth it...
.
they're all just tech
alternatively you can also just hold onto it until you're just missing one ship from it
Mmm, oki, I wanted to get South Dakota for a while anyways, very pretty ship
does the card just let u claim a free copy
Yes
Are we expecting any fs for old drs or did they stop doing that?
she's in the merit shop rotation sigh
DRs get fs whenever the devs feel like it
they can just lower affinity to 199 for 9% instead of 12% rld
refresh? 
I use Momo and Laffey II in that fleet but got curious about whether the BBs fleet is more consistent
doesnt sonahk have a 100% wr
just use the pr6 1 hour rigging lol
sonaru has been 100% for me so far
how many black shells and white shells do i even need?
3 white, at least 1 black
mori could u help me build bb cv fleet for opsi pls
i think its about time for an upgrade
Mankit need help??!!!
opsi fleet
whats the difference between jp and eng server
language
why do i see some new accounts with 4.6k gems like br
mostly for dock space
like bru and its 8 bucks
random 1-3 ur lol
why do i feel like im getting scammed
you will
tf is valor badge
well i trust this platform
yea idk
medals?
~~buys an account and gets ban 🔥 ~~
thats agaisnt tos id delete that
shi it is??
???
what, that's account selling shit?
against tos??
yes
i found it onlines
dont discuss it here
whoops
is it better to buy champy guns from proto or to craft them?
btw how do i get more cores i need my shells
do your hard mode daily
hard mode gives ltd cores?
if you havent do it now and you can secure 1 champy and 1 flandre gun by tmr cause monthly reset is tmr
hard mode gives core data. the higher the map, the more core it gives
that's exactly why I asked lol
alr im on like w8
should I get both while I'm at it?
i have none of either
what level do i need for w9
you want a combination of the 3 so yea
just dont overbuy 1 since you can buy 20 bps a month 
do i need like commander level 70
Won’t be able to get UR bulin what should I get instead?
lv65 for ch9
the pack? it loses value the closer you are to level 70
wait for tommorow?
in opsi how does it work
Question is the gun I put prinz Heinrich the only option for large caliber gun? Or am missing something… she doesn’t seem to be able to equip other CB guns…
like w9 unlock
once i finish w8, dont i need like a certain level to move onto w9
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she can only equip the shitty one
she can only equip 283mm CB guns cause thats what her class of ships was planned for just run CA guns 
Oh do those currencies roll over?
huh? why wont it
Idk I just got here 12 days ago
So normal ca gun is better no?
Do all the currencies roll over?
should I also get a daisen gun while I'm at it for Musashi? not sure how big of an upgrade it is over the purple ones
Why wouldn't they
If they reset monthly, it would be basically near impossible to get some of the more expensive items
And even if they did, they would have a sign telling you so
if your fighting light you can run her gun or unzen if you got that, if not just use CA guns yea
imo not that high of a prio unless your planning to use her to fight med/heavy but even then you eventually get some from doing s7 research once your done with 8 
Okay I just wasn’t sure if there was an event currency we had going on where I had to spend it before the event ends. I’ve only played Marvel Snap and those limited time events you have to spend the currency because it doesn’t roll over. Thanks everyone!
Oh you mean event currency
Nah that goes away
Thought you meant the regular ones
Which one is better? Cuz like, gold is rarer, so I think it's better, but I read on the beginners fuide that a purple may be better than a gold
good point, I guess that isn't that urgent then, on a sidenote, when do I stop PR8 research? Once I have all of them or just the DRs?
Neither of them
Use the German Gold Quad Mag
« Her gun » is it this one?
when I try to battle it says affinity will decrease. how can I get rid of this message?
Is that another equipment? How do I get it?
Go touch grass and let your ships recover morale
let your ship recover morale, so touch grass
Not fight when mood is low….
Yes
Get them from Iron Blood tech boxes
is that the only way 😭
left is better, you'll use them until you can get quad mag
shipgirls are people too, give them a break
Okay, thank youu!!!
Yes
Unless you want their XP gain to be cut in half on top of losing affinity
how can I see how long I have to wait?
When was this added?
I think 1 hour?
last patch
Awsome
Do i get the girl I gift to? If so who do I pick
all of them are basically tech points, depending who you might miss in the collection some of them can be acquired from other stuff. Or you could simply wait until you missing only one of them and then use the item
does this expire or its a permanent thing
perm
bru
@atomic abyss happy new year
If you're talking about high efficiency plans it's only useful if you're worried about time it doubles every like oil cost morale cost etc except for war archive clears for the 60 runs for items or ships.
Item or ships okay. So no xp ?
Everything besides war archive clears so ship drops from enemy fights, xp, etc count.
Got it
In more clearer terms, think of it as doing two runs at once
Double everything (including the negatives) except for progress on "Clear stage X times" missions, and you roll twice for every ship drop you get
Due to the increased morale and oil drain, this is mostly used if you lack the time to grind
Just noticed these two AA guns in my depot, should I scrap them?
yes
does upgrading gear to lvl 13 help with monthly challenge mode fights or just OpSi?
They're pretty useless so sure
Challenge mode does not get the OpSi damage bonus for frankly obvious reasons
okay, just never fully understood what the point of +13 gear was as I feel OpSi can be cleared fine with just +10 gear. Was curious if the bonus applied to anywhere else
+13ing gear does more than just that
the damage of the weapon is increased by roughly 18% for all content and auxes have their stats boosted by 18%
is that what the "dmg modifier" lvl thing does?
yes
thx
I killed that creature. What state am I in on OP.SI? This is crazy, a complete mess.... I want to understand my progress in this. 😭 ( I'm gathering resources to buy items in the store, but it's too tiring a process. )
are you still clearing the opsi campaign or what?
I keep doing what it asks in the INFORMATION tab, I'm totally lost to be honest, just picking up items to buy items from the store. 😭
yes
Man, I can't take it anymore, this is crazy, you barely finish a chapter and they send you to another one.

well the stages shouldn't be that difficult, just keep grinding through the nodes
Just y'know
Don't do the difficult as hell side-bosses in the first place?
Actually, only the blue stages are unlocked; I already entered one red stage, but it's very demanding.
You better off rush beating ops and buyout the shop and you get the new shop tomorrow after the reset
what red stage
I think the store reset yesterday; I have 60 hours left until the reset, if I'm not mistaken.
you have less than 24 hours assuming you did unlock reset
ignore everything else
focus on the story missions
those indicated with an "!"
which you haven't
about 11 hours for them to fully finish chp4 if they want to catch the monthly reset
if not otot tbh
You keep telling me something new all the time 😭 ... how do I know if I'm in this process?
"After clearing Chapter 4, Operation Siren will reset at the beginning of the month."
biszwei or rumey? i've had people tell me to max the other first
😂 😂 😂 you very funny Guam
huh
probably Bismarck Zwei

I get that it's long and sometimes gets repetitive but it's all laid out in the guide
Guam has already finished the chapters in normal mode. 🤔
what
Have you finished the campaign
which one?
Opsi chapters are not the same as campaign chapters if that's what you're thinking.
The normal campaign of the game I'm talking about, the one that goes up to chapter 15.
yes I have, why?
What ship should I use The wish Fufilling card on? I don't own any of them

Let me ask you a question: did you use San Diego Retrofit up to chapter 14?
Yes , she is op in every single endgame chapter
none of them are that great so they're all tech pretty much
alternatively you can just hold onto it, it doesn't expire
I didn't use her in W14 but I did in W15
Sandy has asw and dps and aa 
Also just realized when they are saying Guam, it's just mentioning cheeky
So I'm going to start the process of buying the items and gathering gold, since I have a lot of SR bully.
15-4 mob fleet
welp, remember when the other day i said there may have been a UR retro for a cn DDg, well... turns out there is no gold ddg so..., yeah, probably gonna get another gold ddg retro unless they change something
What's the firing order on the Lion Zwei Mecklenburg fleet?
I mean they ran out of An Shans, so we'll have to see what they do this year
Not sure about the exact order, but probably Lion Zwei Mecky as you want Mecky to go after Zwei for the dmg increase and Zwei to go mid to get as much Black Hole as you can
Okay, make sense. Thank you so much 
no its lion meck zwei unless I forgot how long lionflame lasts
also you cant get zwei to fire before meck eitherway unless you give meck a suboptimal gun
Huh?
what
What does Lionflame have to do with anything?
lionflame is 10% dmg, zwei is only 5% dmg and eitherway zwei cant fire before meck more than once unless giga scuffed setup
also Zwei can def fire before meck
Also Lionflame lasts literally forever
why would u give meck raff gun when lion is there
you can either give meck raff gun, make them fire lion zwei meck or give meck her gun and make it go meck zwei lion
there is the option of giving zwei loader ig
Lion fires her barrage right at the start of the battle
Zwei still fires first if you give both her and meck ,meck guns
just that she gets pushed back after first salvo
she fires first once
probably better to just give zwei loader
since you dont want meck to pull ahead by a lot
just further proof the devs don't understand how their own game works
Its a fine sync
Either understand or care
i prefer zwei 2nd anyway, her black hole persits long enough for all BB salvos
There's also no need for Bisz to fire before Meck
for strongholds, should I be clearing every enemy or just the pink ones
pink vs normal
if u wanted to manual you can kill the boss of every box then do the intruder+boss
is that not how you're supposed to do it? also I have to manual or my mob might die without heals lmao
Do TB and Navi have new year voice lines?
how do i unlock the sp and ex stages in the event
Clear D3
okay thanks
I'll take a Harbin retrofit
yo guam i have like 35k spare gold wth do i do
no i dont have sandy retro, theyre not giving me the blueprints
short answer: play more
long answer: use the coins on investments like ships, gear & many others




