gameplay-help

[subtle flare]

I'd say lion for colorado

[sweet delta]

Even a 2LB Lion would be better than Colorado

*if equally leveled and geared

[subtle flare]

when prioritising upgrading gear from +10 to +13, what's the order? weapons/planes/torps then aux? and in general which is better to upgrade first, bb or planes?

[sweet delta]

/plus13 BB guns first

[odd root]

https://www.azurlaneecgc.com/images/equip_misc/%2B13_Priority.jpeg

[subtle flare]

oo didn't kno that existed, ty

[sweet delta]

I mean select or buy gun plates when you have a choice, but you'll still get random plane and torp and aux plates

[subtle flare]

yeah i've been braindead auto selecting gold general plates in guild shop, giga regret 😔

[whole crypt]

to be fair that's just going to be 1 AFCT and 3 pieces of aux, you'll get/need much more in due course

[fluid flower]

What gear is good for I-404

[orchid reef]

what they have, is it good so far or really absolute trash

[sweet delta]

@fluid flower

[fluid flower]

Alr thx

[rapid shard]

The stag and haze should be on your backline BBs to benefit from the hit those give

[orchid reef]

a what?

[rapid shard]

The AA guns on sandy and kron

They give AA and HIT stats.

[orchid reef]

my bbs are good.

really good, with good weapons and all, i am asking for these 3 not for someone else.

[rapid shard]

Do they have stags and haze for there AA guns?

Those guns would be better on backline with 76s, roombas and quads better on Frontline

[orchid reef]

i guess ill wait again for better answer <3

[rapid shard]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide

Or you can read

[stark quiver]

i sent them that earlier and they never read

[orchid reef]

tried to

i barely knew what i was reading

[rapid shard]

It literally has pictures....

[late flame]

-# this is EN, not surprising

[rapid shard]

Not trying to be a dick but suchi guide is idiot proof

[orchid reef]

i know vro
just not orianted in it +the guns mostly i got told arent even there

[rapid shard]

All the 3rd and 4th place options are easily obtainable. If its not listed there's probably a reason it isnt.

[orchid reef]

im about to have crashout
whatever

[stark quiver]

ok

[rapid shard]

Well I'll warn you in advance 99% of people here are gonna advise the exact same list to reference for gearing.

[orchid reef]

just wanted as it was always here, send pictures of what guns you have and people will help you with best option

[rapid shard]

You have poor AA guns on them like I mentioned above. Also gear is dependent on what content. There isnt a one stop loadout for all content

[sweet delta]

You didn't send what you have though 💀

[orchid reef]

cuz noone asked me to send it

[sweet delta]

They sent the guide, if you don't like it then show what you have

[orchid reef]

alr gimmie a min

[rapid shard]

Speaking of your guide. For BB main gun i tested out the gold proto triple 406 mk6 and the purp mk6. With no buffers and HSFCR and white shell with MLB jersey shes doing significantly more dmg on average with the gold>purp. But been told its generally a bad gun unless you fine tune the timing. With full buffs does the purp out scale it or am I missing something?

[orchid reef]

anchorage:
main guns, anti-air

[sweet delta]

Against what boss and with what fleet?

[rapid shard]

Swap stag to Oumi and twin 105 to sandy

[stark quiver]

i dont think aa is their only problem

[orchid reef]

san diego:
main guns, anti-air

kron:
main guns, secondary guns, anti air,

craft options

[rapid shard]

Jintsuu META primarily with unicorn and warspite back line. Anchorage Harbin and Prince Eugen. Avg 100kish give or take 10k with purp and avoid 130-150k with the gold

[orchid reef]

now what all i need to swap or smt

[rapid shard]

Very informal testing but been giving it a shot last couple days

[soft raft]

why is Unicorn in your boss fleet 💀

[orchid reef]

*mob fleet

[rapid shard]

Using random ships to test loadouts and different guns on something semi consistent lol shes not normal boss lol

[orchid reef]

this is my boss fleet

[sweet delta]

Because your NJ too slow to get 4th salvo, so both guns are doing 3 salvos. Gold gun does more damage per salvo and also hits later, which is good against jintsuu

[orchid reef]

anyways will ya help with the guns and etc as i have send

[sweet delta]

Also consider that you'd need all BBs to go slow gun, which is worse for buffs and debuffs and barrages

[orchid reef]

or no

and if yeah normal names, i dont know what ship has gun with her name and etc

[rapid shard]

So purple triple 406 would be better on a ship that squeeze that 4th out? Don't have the meta ships like lion alsace etc right now. NJ is my current best BB followed by warspite retro. Working on getting dupes for vanguard for her Buffs to BB focused fleets cause I lack the light dmg planes for carriers.

Im assuming newer URs with the purple gun can usually get that 4th out?

[orchid reef]

i guess noone then...how cute

[normal crane]

Does Unzen skin have special interaction?

[rapid shard]

You also haven't said what content your trying to gear towards. W14 W15 arbitor meta fight etc. That determines what gear you should swap around.

[orchid reef]

world 13-1 stuck

[rapid shard]

Is it mobs thats wiping you?

[orchid reef]

50% completed, after that just impossible

[orchid reef]

mobs and sometimes boss

but more likely always mobs

thats why i am asking for the guns

[little tree]

what does your mob fleet look like?

[little tree]

you need to level your fleet more

[orchid reef]

also had lvl 125 ships there, still died btw

[rapid shard]

Taihou is heavy armor so main fleet needs that focus. Mob is mainly just AA long as your backline is decent and yeah your vanguard is too low

[whole crypt]

levels and gear issue, if you need more help chuck screenshots into a thread, it's too much to post on main channel + slow mode

[whole crypt]

Taihou is 13-4 he's not even near that

[orchid reef]

u saying i should use taihou or what

[late flame]

https://youtu.be/Yt8tLS3Kudc?si=tXDZuepuBz3437KD

[rapid shard]

Even with 125 backline your vanguard cant kill planes fast enough to stop them hitting backline plus they taking a ton more dmg being 105ish

[late flame]

Taihou is the boss for campaign w13-4

[rapid shard]

Yeah im just slow i thought he said 13-4 lol

[whole crypt]

start a thread, put screenshots there, a lot of fixing needed than is appropriate to flood main channel

[orchid reef]

well as i tested yesterday, san diego destroyed all just she took most of the damage

[sweet delta]

AA
113 for sandy, quad bofors for Anchorage

Gun
No changes

Torp
Get rid of quint purple, it's terrible

Aux
Get rid of Krons autoloader for something with evasion

Happy?

[rapid shard]

For comparison this is my shit sandy gearing that was able to handle basically all the AA for mob. Ran her with Anchorage and Harbin

[orchid reef]

i made the thread

[sweet delta]

+10 gear and level 115 should be the bare minimum for new players at 13

If you don't have that, then don't play 13

[eternal moth]

Other than replacing a toolbox with a washing mahine that's pretty common

[sweet delta]

I'd say 155 Kai on sandy is shit yeah

[eternal moth]

Oh wait, giving her a DD gun instead, right

[rapid shard]

Yeah i completely forgot to swap that around its been on her for too long lol she does decent dmg with it tho somehow

[eternal moth]

Because Sandy stronk. That said, the higher fire rate of a DD gun is far better for her.

[rapid shard]

Well this discussion finally got me to swap her to twin 127mm lol

[subtle flare]

where tf do i buy battle ui packs?

[whole crypt]

some you can buy directly, some are in cruise pass, depends on which you're looking for

[subtle flare]

i want the christmas one, pls dont tell me its december locked

i jus forget where to buy it from, i dont see it in normal akashi shop

ah yeah, they're time locked T_T

for opsi do u guys run 2bb 1 cv fleet or 2cv 1 bb?

or it just depends on what boss

[rain bobcat]

depends on the unit

[sweet delta]

I run one mob fleet, one good fleet, one sub fleet, and two crossfleet fleets

[rain bobcat]

I run 1 mob 1 heavy 1 light/med and 1 cross

[whole crypt]

what's your good fleet now stig

[subtle flare]

ah crossfleet that op huh

[whole crypt]

it's less of xf being OP and more of you don't need separate boss fleets

[gray sphinx]

yea as long as your ship levels and ships are actually good and you have decent gear you usually don't need that last fleet

[subtle flare]

crossfleet fleets meaning all bbs with crossfleet barrages right?

[subtle flare]

even for arbiter hard?

[wind hazel]

more or less yea

[rapid shard]

/crossfleet

[odd root]

https://www.azurlaneecgc.com/images/equip_misc/Cross-fleet_Effects.jpeg

[rapid shard]

Not just BBs with crossfleets

[subtle flare]

wow, thank

[clear harbor]

Is it worth grinding the event after the last copy of Taekaze?

[vale spindle]

probably not

[clear harbor]

Good to know.

[subtle flare]

ty i missed quite a few URs, so i thought it was still just bbs with crossfleet barrages

[sweet delta]

Not tested yet

[whole crypt]

VG and Helena?

[thin shore]

right i saw that i have like plans for gear, but how the hell can it be created?

[vale spindle]

depot -> craft tab

or if you are referring to gear lab thats lab -> gear lab

[gray sphinx]

prototype F8F bearcat is best for I-404 right?

also what do I pair her up with if I don't have flasher

[subtle flare]

i forget, does arbiter have mobs to remove debuff or do i have to rest

[whole crypt]

normbiter you can use repair command or leave and repair
harbiter it's all or nothing

[subtle flare]

ohh i forgor you can leave for normal, thank

wait uhh how do i leave normal arbiter again?

[late flame]

exit button, bottom right of screen

also, this being a help channel - kindly do not post gifs and such

[late flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MhvKc4iZsU

or ask the man himself

[stone sluice]

Does Soyuz crossfleet barrage slow proc Nakhimov freeze?

[gray sphinx]

welp the only things I got are like wolves so I guess we wait for guam rerun in February

[wispy cosmos]

u can run her with wolfpack subs just fine

[gray sphinx]

I mean yeaaaa but it sounds like it would be the worst combo you could have and I want nothing but the best or at least not the worst

making me feel like a bum running wolves with I-404

[rain bobcat]

how much is the diff for 150 vs 203 in adaptability

because there's no way my alt cant oneshot hermit

[sweet delta]

The arbiter would have 49% more HP and AA and offensive stats

[rain bobcat]

surely its not amagi diff or something because my main just melted it with amagi shinano hakuhou

or is missing alsace and soyuz crossfleet that massive

I get to like 50 bars left

[rain bobcat]

quite unfortunate huh

[gray sphinx]

Alt? You have more than one account? 👀

[rain bobcat]

guess im farming entire opsi map first

[rain bobcat]

another server same bind

49% hp is quite the difference

so thats why my first strike got it down to 80 something instead of below 60

[gray sphinx]

I mean whatever rocks your boat but I play other games so idk if I could manage multiple accounts 💀

[whole crypt]

I've just stopped playing my JP sub and CN accounts because new work schedule

but having a weaker alt account is good to keep track of newbie realities when giving advice

[hardy creek]

Team suggestion to 3 star 14-4?

[rain bobcat]

insert suchi guide

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-14-brief

[wispy cosmos]

how do u get taihou to take off her dress

[wind hazel]

click on skin, then there's a small icon on the left side, beside [Current]

-# or you just yell TAIHOU IT'S SEGS TIME

[half river]

does baltimore’s L2D race queen skin qualify to give you the gem coupon? I noticed it wasn’t part of the lucky bag nor does it say event next to it

[wispy cosmos]

how do you view the pictures taken in the private quarters

[wind hazel]

in your photo album in your device

[faint bobcat]

So what's the opinion of Warkai augment? I've set her to the event SP fleet and she's outdamaging my other BB's is she actually good(ish) now for a UR?

[wind hazel]

bottom half of UR

[subtle flare]

@sweet delta are you planning to make a fleet tech/120 levelling vid? Or is there a good enough one out there

[whole crypt]

not speaking for stig but there's not much point making a vid for it, vast majority of the reload ships are rare/common fodder

you just level good ships then you get around to them

for CVs there are a handful more that are elite but still fodder

[cobalt rapids]

from an event that happend 1 month ago

u gotta wait till next year rerun

[whole crypt]

retrofit item was never in shop

[gray sphinx]

they don't put that stuff in shops until like after their rerun happens

[whole crypt]

all previous retrofit items were ither through minigame or missions

[gray sphinx]

you're gonna wait a longgg time for that

[whole crypt]

if you mean proto shop it's only for "archived" items

[gray sphinx]

yea pretty much this

[rapid shard]

Is Ayanami half way decent after retrofit with augment?

[azure salmon]

How do I adjust the hud on menus such as gear?

I changed the UI Adjustment slider in the option already but the only time it doesn’t overlap is when it’s at max but then the left buttons are covered by my phones camera

[eternal basalt]

Wait for patch

[rain bobcat]

anyone had a bug where the entire currency row just disappears after a map clear?

[azure salmon]

Rip

[whole crypt]

halfway decent is a good way to put it
since starter retrofits are no longer part of the rookie missions I wouldn't bother too much with it unless you just want a TRP/EVA stat stick for hard mode

[wheat ore]

when do i need to start bothering to build my subs?

[whole crypt]

it's just that you can either skip using DDs or the better DDs over them can be a lot better

[plush moon]

i don't see this event rewarding avatar frame if you mlb all new ship in banner anymore, or at least i can't find it
how to use the point that mission gave you when mlb event ship now?

[whole crypt]

ch13+ is a good place, use 12 to help level

[whole crypt]

chat frame is always with the pre-event

[wheat ore]

ah okay ty

[spark patio]

quick swap then

[plush moon]

huh that strange, i recall they always give frame if you mlb all event ship, exclusive UR

[whole crypt]

they do

[plush moon]

not this event?

[whole crypt]

they moved the pre-event (call to arms) page but it's still from there

[whole crypt]

nice so they decided to have a different UI for EN

or am I just missing UR exchange because I claimed second copy

[eternal basalt]

No they don't

[plush moon]

oh found it

[whole crypt]

I'm missing a row but I guess it's because I claimed second copy of 404 so they dropped the UR exchange tab

[eternal basalt]

Can't read CN/JP but if it misses the UR Exchange it's that

[whole crypt]

yeh I'm missing the UR exchange tab on my event menu

they should remove my milestones tab too since I'm done with it

[eternal basalt]

You're going to keep it 1 week after event...

[whole crypt]

actually the date tags on everything end on 2 Oct, I'm not sure if that's intentional

the only thing that's ending later is event shop

[eternal basalt]

That's when the event ends, but there should be a week to get the stuff, dunno if CtA's last that long though

[whole crypt]

that said the end times are all midnight, not maint time

[rain bobcat]

what aux does i404 use

[whole crypt]

that's for CTA on JP, not sure what it says on EN

[eternal basalt]

https://azurlane.netojuu.com/images/4/42/Call_to_Arms_Naraka_Event_Banner_EN.png

[whole crypt]

EN used NagaM for CtA page?

and yes that's ending on 2 Oct

[eternal basalt]

For the banner on main menu

[whole crypt]

usually there's 1 more week that's not here

[eternal basalt]

Hmmm, CN did have the extra week, but I recall a previous CtA also just having the event duration...

[rain bobcat]

[whole crypt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MhvKc4iZsU

[eternal basalt]

My bad, that was last year... seems they follow the exact same dates, including not granting an extra week
https://azurlane.netojuu.com/images/3/30/Call_to_Arms_Amahara_Event_Banner_EN.jpg

[weak elk]

bouge, long island and ranger are they still good or nah. the retrofit versions

[whole crypt]

they're all meh, Long Island is RLD tech though

Ranger is AVI if you bother, Bogue is ASW

[woven star]

ranger - for low cost oil team and even then no mlb or retro. other few nah

[whole crypt]

at the point you have them retrofitted low costing is kind of not part of the equation since they need to be LB'd and leveled

[woven star]

if you at the point of end game having resources and tech points where don't what to do with them you'll can try Comet. But not sure that you find any purpose for her even after. It's about retro low rare ships

[weak elk]

Yeah... I haven't played in a while idk who does what anymore 😂

[late flame]

@floral latch
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/augment-modules

[late flame]

https://azurlaneecgc.com/fleetbuilding/

@floral latch
#1204845559790440488

[floral latch]

Roger

[fleet urchin]

cant we buy ur blueprints after series 5?

[late flame]

@floral latch
this is the event now, one more week until it ends

[fleet urchin]

(including series 5)

[vestal pawn]

is Yudachi Meta any good? Right now I have Yukikaze but i was thinking to use Kawakaze or try to get Yudachi Meta instead

[wind hazel]

only PR1-5, DR2-4

[vivid nebula]

Hi guys, is there any benefit to fighting the higher ranked players in exercises? I don't know how the ranks are calculated but I always do the left most ones

[late flame]

my bad, this needs further testing : i'd say yukikaze (with her unique augment now) would be better than yudachi meta

all SR meta ships are usable/decent , but they are usually sidegrades, and definitely not better than URs

[fleet urchin]

how im supposed to get 500 blueprints without buying them damn

[knotty jolt]

Research and time it all's just time investment

[vestal pawn]

yukikaze over kawakaze too?

[late flame]

i think #pvp should have some answer (or check the pinned message there)

[fleet urchin]

yeah... a lot of time

[late flame]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[wind hazel]

im not so sure about yukikaze better than Muudachi

[vivid nebula]

Yup I found exactly what I was looking for

Thanks man

[late flame]

true.. after all it does need testing

[wind hazel]

even cn rate her pretty high

[eternal basalt]

Of course no one has her MLB now so...

[wind hazel]

luckily there's something called mathematics in this world

[woven star]

and max skill lvl... or have?

[late flame]

i'm at her 3rd*1st skill now

[eternal basalt]

META Skill books

[woven star]

dam true

[sharp echo]

they good?

[woven star]

btw how her burn\or burn triggers work with Lion burn?

[sharp echo]

this?

[weak elk]

What is meta? An upgrade or something else entirely

[late flame]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/META

[vestal pawn]

okay, so keep Yukikaze for now and maybe invest into Yuudachi Meta later depending what else I have

[late flame]

tbh i've not paid much attention to it since i just place her in a fleet of Lv125s and Lion +Unicorn just sweep everything
(Opsi mob fleet)

[violet grail]

ooh I just pulled san diego from my daily builds today, guess I should maybe use her for my second fleet when I get around to making it.

[late flame]

she can wait until you wanna tackle w13 onwards, since her retrofit isnt cheap + her retrofit item competes directly with UR bulin

[violet grail]

ah damn, yeah im still just farming chapter 11-1, unlocked it yesterday. Also finally finished chapter 5 op siren campaign. Can't handle the strongholds though and one of em is blocking me from accessing the top right port st petersburg.

[late flame]

actually for opsi map you can toggle
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Operation_Siren#Zones

[vivid nebula]

you can toggle the node to switch between stronghold and explorable

[violet grail]

whaaaaat? omg this is big, thank you ❤️

[wind hazel]

it's fine to use sandiego for 2nd fleet if you can mlb her and no other ship require the gold bulin. her retro can wait, just use her with augment

[weak elk]

is san diego retrofit that good?

[rapid shard]

She is the god of AA

[weak elk]

huh... i have her mircophone i think...

[rapid shard]

She does require a lot of gold pieces and 2 gold bulins plus coins. But in long run its worth it

[weak elk]

darn im broke...

[violet grail]

🫂 even when I get up to 20k coins, they evaporate instantly somehow. I think I might be a reverse alchemist.

[rapid shard]

Her retro is great but shes still very much usable without. Just slowly work on it

[eternal basalt]

7k 3x a day for gearboxes takes a toll on coins

[rapid shard]

Im bout to start coining Agir after i spend the 50k to finish her lol I feel the pain

[weak elk]

also what to do when storage is full all the time im struggling to clear map with my dock fillng up every min

[violet grail]

I've been using all commons to enhance, and retiring most rares and elites without retrofits.

[rapid shard]

Short answer expand dock if you can or go through and filter which Greys blues and elites you dont care about and retire/enhance fodder them

Retire blues and purples for medals tho dont use them for enhancement

[weak elk]

darn brutal guess ill have to sink some ships

[eternal basalt]

Rares and elites use for limit break if not done, otherwise discard them

[late flame]

do take a look at wiki and/or ask here if not sure if a particular rare/elite is hard to re-obtain

[weak elk]

retires shion

[violet grail]

so basically dont retire event elites like taekaze, minase even if i dont have a use for em? Also I still havent pulled a Minase yet, got haku oumi and asama but not minase.

[rapid shard]

Wouldn't reccomened retiring them cause only way you'll ever get them again is rerun and whenever they getting added to the bloated perm pool

[lament bolt]

Hakuhou secret where

[gilded carbon]

What is the J-Crown in the shop good for now? I wouldnt mind using it on my Javelin as she was my starter, but... well.

[forest palm]

that's the purpose of the J-Crown to be used specifically on Javelin an her sister ships

[gilded carbon]

yes, obviously. But i suppose it outclassed by virtue of being a Starter-ship now. Any other J-Class that are viable? Or, just dont buy it and safe the currency

[wind hazel]

not sure if it's even good on jervis

[forest palm]

Janus I guess...

[gilded carbon]

i mean, a flat 10% dmg-increase in and of itself is good. But 10% of something that is outclassed anyway may not fully cut it

[forest palm]

to non HMS ships is the key here

[gilded carbon]

maybe im just buying it for my Starter because she served well. Im using her every now and again for sentimental reasons.

And yes, that is a very important point indeed

... it also gives Luck-stat. Do we have a guide on how different stats influence a ship? Most are straight forward, of course. Luck, i assume, gives a certain percentage towards chance-based buffs, crit, dmg-evasion and so on?

[forest palm]

put in simple terms Luck affects EVA, Hit, and Crit and is also weighted against enemy Luck

[boreal wagon]

luck has no effect on chances for buffs/skills/etc
it only plays a role in crit chance, and how like you are to hit and evade

[gilded carbon]

thats somewhat less then expected. Thank you.

[forest palm]

there is a formula

anyway 3 Luck isn't doing much, and you're using a nerfed Toolkit for 10% more damage to everything but HMS ships

[gilded carbon]

probably, yes XD But really, i doubt i will need to fine-tune my ships for LCK anytime soon.

And, i wont buy it, probably. I went through the shop to see what got added that i may have missed and saw it.

it made me curious ^^

[rain bobcat]

is unzen or shima better for hermit with kaza and helena

[forest palm]

I'd rather take Unzen, but that's me...

[late flame]

-# Unzen is Shimakaze with moar booba

[weak current]

Gotta ask since I came back after 7 years
Are the muse alts basically the same thing / some are slightly better than original?
I bought hipper muse from shop so I just wanna know from someone instead of trying to read old ass wikis

[woven star]

Rather worst version of original. But not sure

[sleek bolt]

hey guys, is there any tutorial or tip on event castle defense?
i think i skip the original tutorial when im busy

[rain bobcat]

muse are just alternatives with slightly different skills

[vestal pawn]

is it worth grabbing ryusei kai from the event store for Hakuhou's first slot?

[gilded carbon]

yes

always grab Event-equip

[vestal pawn]

roger, thank you

[gilded carbon]

and to your other question, it can be good on her, yes. But as all equip, it depends on the situation it is used on

[vestal pawn]

I thought IJN torpedo bomber in first slot for Hakukou is the best option for her

[rain bobcat]

are you using it for boss?

[gilded carbon]

it is. But, depending on how the team and the enemy looks like you want different Bombers. Mostly for synching their timings

[rain bobcat]

use converging if you can hit the torpedoes

also its much better to use ryuusei in the 3rd slot.
1st slot is 2x110 (2x160 if torpedo bomber)
3rd slot is a massive 5x170 torpedo slot

[vestal pawn]

Yeah, mostly using it for bosses

would I want barracuda for third slot instead if i wasnt?

[rain bobcat]

wyvern

[vestal pawn]

I have a bunch of those and I had been putting them on all my other cv torpedo slots because I thought they were generally mor consistent getting hits. I only had Ryusei on Hakuhou for the buffed torpedoes bombers

[vestal pawn]

I dont have that yet. most of my gear is not very good

also is SB2C Helldiver really prefered over other options? was looking at suggestions and saw that placed as second choice for dive bombers

[subtle flare]

People have done the math, its' damage is really second only to the rainbow

[rain bobcat]

its the 3rd best but the 2nd best is not worth it

[subtle flare]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide#main-fleet-weapons-cv-airplanes

[wheat ore]

is it better to buy the other stuff in the priority list from event shop instead of the second copy of UR?

[cerulean musk]

anyone knows when i can get this again

[red hawk]

the 2nd copy will save you a bulin down the road

[rain bobcat]

tied 1st: tenrai and skyraider depends on situation
2nd: experimental xb3c (only better than sb2c when +12 and above)
3rd sb2c, purple and very cheap

[wheat ore]

yeah it seems like a good idea that's why i can't decide

[red hawk]

I'd recommend getting another copy.

especially considering you can get a lot of orbs through event quests too

[rapid shard]

Got to wait for rerun of event

[cerulean musk]

rip

[wheat ore]

i mean i need to buy 300 orbs i think so i'm missing quite a lot

[cerulean musk]

i missed it somehow

[rapid shard]

Was just a couple weeks ago too

[subtle flare]

Does anyone know how long a retrofit item takes to rerun?

[soft raft]

Roughly a year

[cerulean musk]

how long did they take to rerun the other UR retros

[subtle flare]

What he said

So you won't be waiting too long at least

[cerulean musk]

11 months more

[red hawk]

oumi worth 125 awakening?

[soft raft]

Do you think you'll be using her by the time you reach W14-15?

[subtle flare]

If you have any other UR BBS you're using who aren't then probably those first, then go for it

[red hawk]

I mean, I don't really have any UR bb's in my near future outside of FDG

she's my strongest BB

im at w13 I just haven't tried pushing it because of event

[wheat ore]

is the only reason for keeping more copies of a ship after mlb is to put on different skins?

[woven star]

Mostly yes. My dream having second pvp team fleet and forget about swapping gear every time. But meta changes and copies left

[wheat ore]

yeah that's fair, i mean i got enterprise again so i might as well just retire her?

[red hawk]

some people have different limit levels of breaking for fleet power flex but that's big whale

because you only get more fleet power by different levels of limit breaking, you don't get anything with multiple mlb apparently

so there's a few weirdos out there who stack copies of ships of different levels to make number bigger

[wheat ore]

that's a thing? 💀

[red hawk]

it does nothing, just a collection flex, and I don't think it's common

but remember some people have been playing for years

and have a ton of resources to blow

[woven star]

Ranger and Cassin but it's not big deal having them 0lb and left leveling them for last

[red hawk]

the only reason you might want to keep dupes of a ship after MLB is for retrofit ships instead of spending bulins

so stuff like sandy/essex

iirc both their retrofits require two dupes/bulins

at least 1 for sure

but generally speaking, once you're finished maxing out a ships limit/retro you can retire any other copies

[subtle flare]

also eldridge

[silk sphinx]

3

[red hawk]

first node too right?

it's the first retro node, the item node, and the skill node?

[zenith heron]

Yuudachi Kai is the only exception, with only One Dupe Needed, the rest needs 3

[red hawk]

but she requires a 2k spec core shop item unfortunately

so that kinda negates the reduced bulins

I gotta be honest, I don't like the way the nodes are done, the last node being one of the most expensive, but seeming to be a bit... underwhelming when unlocking? Not impact wise, but when you do the second to last node, you get the retro and the splash screen and all that, but then you still have one more to finish and it's just kinda like... ok and now that one, and then that's it. I almost wish the retro and popup was after you complete fully

[zenith heron]

So does Sandy and Warpsite though

[red hawk]

Sandy is the only one that's really worth the value for newer players atm

yuudachi and warspite fell off

[cobalt rapids]

warspite is good

[red hawk]

not worth getting over a BB like hood who doesn't need retro for newer players when you already need to do sandy

[cobalt rapids]

warspite is a midgame investment not early game

[zenith heron]

Warspite is now NJ Level

||Yuudachi oth is somewhat less worse than her META Counterpart||

[red hawk]

that's why I said newer players shouldn't invest in yuu or war

most recommend your first medal BB purchase is hood

the only reason I didn't on my alt was I had Oumi, and I grabbed Tirpitz to prep for IB fleet tech

[cobalt rapids]

but yuu and war are not on the same level
yuu dachi should never be invested in
newer players can consider picking up warspite if they went through UR bb banners drought

[red hawk]

I mean rn we have oumi, and you can pick up hood and that's more than enough to carry you to w13

[cobalt rapids]

oumi is limited and rng

[red hawk]

im just saying there is a solid BB that is pullable is all

[cobalt rapids]

and hood doesnt come close with warspite retro aug for bossing

[zenith heron]

||I thought you guys are talking about the retros in general, but actually who is usable, mb||

[red hawk]

yeah, I don't think we're really disagreeing here, I'm not saying she's bad, I'm just saying she's not the usual recommendation for newer players

[cobalt rapids]

im just saying putting warspite and yuudachi on the same lvl of investment prio was misleading

[red hawk]

fair, I just meant to say that for newer players like me, the only one I have been recommended right away is Sandy, and to hold on yuudachi and warspite

honestly isn't yuudachi meta a better version of retro?

[junior fractal]

me seeing retro Yuudachi as Tier 0 on the tier list confuses me then, hard as a new player to know who I should actually avoid even if they're high on the community tier list

[red hawk]

so she's powercrept by her own meta

[zenith heron]

Theoretically, The META Version is stronger than Poi Kai

[red hawk]

the tier lists are misleading sometimes, the end game rankings one is nice to tell you what use that ships have at endgame, but there's a lot of ships out there that are just kinda in the middle

best thing you can do is consult lists and ask veterans for help

@junior fractal also remember- the tier lists are sometimes based on their use, not on their investment cost/return on investment. So some ships can be good but they're really not cost effective for newer players or players who have higher priority for their resources

so like she might still score good on the tier but there would be other more accessible ships that are worth

like RN her meta is in OPSI

id honestly say through at least w12 tier lists don't matter

[junior fractal]

yeah I ask plenty of questions on here, you all have been extremely helpful so thank you for that 🙂

[junior fractal]

yeah that's a great point, the use case for a ship and why they're highly tiered may not be what I think the reason is! good reminder

personally I've rushed Eldridge Retro and am working on getting her 3rd skill unlocked then am considering either Essex or Sandy retro

while farming up my first copy in OPSI and trying to learn that game mode, and farming the event.

[red hawk]

that or you don't necessarily need a ship with all SS across the board to do campaign and stuff

[cobalt rapids]

sometimes its also pure cap like strasser being in the same tier as rainbow cvs

[red hawk]

isn't strasser just used for her slow?

[cobalt rapids]

what slow

[red hawk]

then wtf was I levelling Peter for

[cobalt rapids]

this slow ?

[red hawk]

I swear she had a use case I thought it was a slow

[junior fractal]

what role does Saint Louis fill, tank? I have been spending about 2.4k coins a day on the buy up for her research but am now wondering if I should even bother and instead focus on other ships. I currently have her at 23/30

[gilded carbon]

Just get AvP If you need a reliable slow

[red hawk]

strong van against Light armor

[cobalt rapids]

strasser is reliable its just shit

[red hawk]

I mainly used her for grinding FDG xp anyway

not like I was aiming to get her

[gilded carbon]

All the more reason to get AvP for Dragon-girl superiority

[red hawk]

what's AvP, all I can picture is aliens vs predator, I don't know the ships name

[cobalt rapids]

august von parseval von pr4

[red hawk]

ok, yeah I knew it was a higher PR ship than I've done so far

gonna be a couple months before I touch that one

[safe nexus]

tips on how to make lvl 1 ship reach high lvl?

[red hawk]

use your dorm, or xp books

[safe nexus]

ok

[red hawk]

generally you'll want to save the XP books you get for helping getting new ships into a safe level range for you to sortie with them for XP

but you can also use your dorm to help

[wind hazel]

but sir, if i only have 3+3 in my dorm and my grinding fleet is occupying all the slots, how to use dorm 😭

[cobalt rapids]

u switch ur dorm when u go to sleep

[late flame]

-# onsen should be perma

[rain bobcat]

uhh how much rld do you need for hermit CV no slow

im at 28? and barely missing the window even with 1 ace and 12 more cat rld

half of my shinanos torps just go to the next map

[rain bobcat]

only 10/hr basically an oath

[novel solstice]

So you can effectively make onsen permanent by just oathing every ship you're leveling up! Great plan 💳

[rain bobcat]

yes

onsen is already permanent, just 600 gems per ship

[novel solstice]

Slightly less than that, as you can periodically get the two-for-one harem deal on rings 🙂

[late flame]

-# I do oath every ship that I am using

Ahem.. anyway would really be nice if onsen can be made permanent so that I do not need to swap out hard mode grinders lul

[strange sphinx]

Should I return to 12-4 rn? 80k for event and got I-404

Got all ships in banner even before I-404

[ivory pawn]

If you got the dupe I-404 and anything else you want from the shop, then yeah you’re done with event.

[tender cargo]

would i be possible to grind I-404 with these few days left? max level ship i have is 60

[subtle flare]

U could do some math, how much points per sortie, how much oil you're spending per sortie, then how many sorties you can do, then how many points in total you get from those sorties then how many points to buy the remaining pearls u need

[tender cargo]

yikes itll cost me 29k oil

[subtle flare]

What is the highest stage you can grind?

Also do each normal stage once every day to get the 3x bonus

[undone plover]

How many pts u have?
There is 5/day from a mission
105 for castle mini game
10 per event ship u have (mission to defeat b3 boss)

[spark patio]

is this good to use or just upgrade it to the one on the right?

[fleet berry]

STAAG is better, but I won't use Gear Lab to craft it. Get STAAG from research.

[spark patio]

it still worth using?

[atomic abyss]

i would use it if you have it

at least as spare gear

[red hawk]

what is STAAG good for, I ended up with one from research

[split gazelle]

+Hit stat is good for your BBs

[stark quiver]

accelerator-ish AA
Hit stat

[red hawk]

I don't understand what accelerators are really

[stark quiver]

fast aa to bring down average load time of aa in fleet

[red hawk]

would I maybe wanna stick it on my mob fleet BB for w13

[stark quiver]

potentially

[agile patrol]

what's bisz's main damage source? (skill?)

[rain bobcat]

gun..

[agile patrol]

but thats so mean

[stark quiver]

[wind hazel]

[agile patrol]

[viscid fulcrum]

Is there a priority or some sort of guide to shipyard?

[red hawk]

this is what im looking at for a mob fleet going into 13

[cobalt rapids]

a pr1 ship > anchorage > fdg > aegir > avp

[strange sphinx]

sword is probably better for Z23 if you don't have her UE

[viscid swift]

why are the flapjacks +13

[red hawk]

because I'm not intelligent and don't read things fully

[viscid swift]

why is Nimi using a CL main gun

[red hawk]

see part 1 of above statement, not sure how to optimize guns yet

[strange sphinx]

ok lerim

post your dock in a thread

even equipment

[viscid swift]

bruh

[red hawk]

my adhd has me impulsive af, and I tend to just kinda go with whatever at the time, and fix it later, some of my mistakes were simply seeing an item on the graphic and being like "hmmm must be good" and not reading about proper prio. I'll sort it.

[hardy creek]

Is she good as a sub? I'm planning to pair her with I404

[red hawk]

W13 Dock/Gearing

[cobalt rapids]

not great, u might have better options or u maybe ure at a point where u shouldnt be throwing gold bulins in subs yet

[strange sphinx]

hmmmm umi, Can I Pair I-404 with U-Sub Meta and that girl with mask?

[cobalt rapids]

i404 can go with any1

[hardy creek]

I got wolfpack trio maxed, but I heard I404 is better

[cobalt rapids]

she is

[hardy creek]

So I404+ 2 wolfpacks?

[red hawk]

alright I've got the full fleets/docks/gear thread posted

[agile patrol]

-# im getting agir before both fdg and anchorage bec i feel like it

[agile patrol]

Is there an issue with this? serious question
idk what's supposed to be +13 or +10'd. i just put +10 on any equips i'll use 'for a long time'
i havent touched +11 yet

[jovial jackal]

When crafting a Triple 406mm MK7, I should craft it from a gold MkD? 2 less rainbow prints needed

[stark quiver]

+13s dont matter as much in campaign because its easy
its generally better to save plates to +13 planes like the converging torp bombers to squeeze out extra damage against bosses

[agile patrol]

i seeeeeeeeeeeee. its minmaxing more than anything

[stark quiver]

yes

[hazy olive]

Should I buy the French torpedo bomber with cores or what

Idk what to do with cores

And should I replace Portland with Asama

[onyx flame]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://www.azurlaneecgc.com/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[onyx flame]

you can only coin up pr 1-5 and dr 1-4 ships for now

so pr 6 and dr 5 up bp can only be gotten from research

[whole crypt]

coin enhancing research ships is a catchup mechanism only added to older series researches, you'll have to actually do research project for newer series
with the right project choices a new series should take no longer than half a year to finish

[hazy olive]

And should I switch Portland out for Asama

[whole crypt]

if you want to finish Hindenburg the best way is to just do the whole of PR6

[whole crypt]

Asama is not a tank if you need one

PR6 is indeed not very impressive at this point

if you're working on Plymouth just stay with 5 for now

gold ships in PR5 have coin enhance so if you could get those out of the way it might make finishing Plymouth a bit faster, but it's still going to take a fair bit of time to finish any single one of the ships with coins

when you stop needing to work backwards finishing a new research series is a lot faster

[hazy olive]

What shipyard should I go for? As a beginner.

[whole crypt]

a ship you can work on, which for most cases means Saint Louis, Monarch or Neptune

[violet grail]

Svartsjuk Gear help

[red hawk]

usually people tend to start with Saint Louis, as her combat development requires EU vanguard combat XP and the starter fleet uses at least port and helena

[oak oxide]

Is there a good resource for what gear to run on ships and what are good fleet comps?

[red hawk]

/guide

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Guides to Azur Lane

If you're not sure where to start or how to optimize something, try checking this out!
🔹 English Community Guide Compendium by samheart564

Contains a list of guides about key Azur Lane gameplay mechanics, including:

• Newbie Tips
• Common Resource Guide
• Research Guide
  and more!

If you are an older player aiming to push endgame content, you can check these out instead!
🔹 META Chronicles by pilica12
🔹 Suchiguma Azur Lane Guides by suchiguma

Contains a list of endgame oriented guides and deeper dives into gameplay mechanics, including:

• Chapter 14 and 15
• Challenge Mode
  and more!

Here are some other useful commands:
Use /tierlist and /equip for a ship and equipment tier lists
Use /tags for a full list of things I can help you with

[red hawk]

a lot of what youll need to get going is in that guide compendium

[oak oxide]

Thanks

[analog phoenix]

Is raffaelo good ? If we compare to our current meta like alsace , bismarck , lion , soyuz

[agile patrol]

When's/What's the next UR banner?

[soft raft]

She's only really good for mobbing compared to the ones you listed

[eternal basalt]

Unzen rerun

[soft raft]

Unzen rerun Soon™
New one likely in December

[agile patrol]

UNZEN!!!!!!!!!

[agile patrol]

wait why??

[viscid swift]

I would not use any of them over any of the ships above them

[agile patrol]

what do you use in place of agir and essex?

[eternal basalt]

I-404 not the best sub

[analog phoenix]

Eld ? What team shes in ? I only see her in pvp

[viscid swift]

Z52, Eldridge, Plymouth for single target
any of the other main fleets for Essex

[viscid swift]

she is used anywhere with remotely high vanguard pressure

[eternal basalt]

And can you explain I-404's place?

[analog phoenix]

So helena is kinda mid now ?

[red hawk]

I love lists like these cause I know none of the ships by image

[analog phoenix]

I just vow her :<

[red hawk]

it's like "oh there's sandy I have her and.. uh"

[viscid swift]

realisticlly she's not gonna be a noticable improvement in campaign esepcially with good fleets

there is not enough single target bosses where you can actually use subs for her to make a meaningful difference there

[soft raft]

More like she gets phased out later on for lower buff but higher consistency options

And her usefulness in late campaign gets fairly whatever

[plush path]

She’s great for people that don’t do enough damage to get kills. If her ability gets you a kill she’s great…if you can kill without her then she’s meh

[eternal basalt]

+10% buff to ACC if you use her or not

[analog phoenix]

So i just start doing tech she still very useful for me ?

[viscid swift]

the places where you'd want that the most is single target bosses which is mainly harbiter which is a very small list

[soft raft]

She's still good early/mid game
And she's also a good source of tech points along with being CL FP +1 tech at lvl 120

[azure salmon]

Are those all URs? Do we have that many already?

Wait nvm I see Unicorn lol

[viscid swift]

those are all the ships I'd consider using for late game and all the URs

[red hawk]

there's some retro UR's on there too

what is late game for you? 15 and event EX/Meta?

[analog phoenix]

Whos the last at " cross fleet " ?

Im kinda new generation, started this game 2 years ago

[split gazelle]

independence

[analog phoenix]

Oh i thought she was collab

[viscid swift]

latest campaign chapter, Harbiter, one shotting METAs, etc

[sweet delta]

Pvp and EX are not part of late game

[forest palm]

who cares about PvP

[soft raft]

The people in #pvp do

[woven tendon]

are any of the purple ships available for merit points obtainable anywhere else?

[forest palm]

seriously though I wouldn't really call PvP end game, maybe AotN grinding if you care about that

[viscid swift]

mostly no

[woven tendon]

any exceptions?

[viscid swift]

check their wiki pages, I can't remember off the top of my head

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Shops#Merit_Shop

[sweet delta]

Missing Sirius and Nagato, and I guess ignore the gold subs is fine. Shinano Amagi haku should be closer together , their heavy perf is similar in 2 IJN CVs, shinano is only the worst if choosing 1 IJN CV. Kazagumo is probably still alive, at least better than transitional, similar to non-super-buffed unzen with less variance

[stark quiver]

ex is early/mid game

[viscid swift]

was Nagato better than Shinano assuming 3 IJN CVs and a stationary boss?

[sweet delta]

Nagato can and should replace any of the CVs assuming Trafalgar is free

[red hawk]

my understanding was EX required better meta ships than early/mid game provides

[sweet delta]

EX nowadays is easy because there's an easy mode EX

[viscid swift]

hmmmmm

[sweet delta]

*that is for showdown, reload helps a lot. Idk about pure damage in 90s or CM

[red hawk]

wait easy mode EX?

[sweet delta]

EX hard mode for high scoring is what's hard and what endgame tier list considers

[red hawk]

how hard of a difficulty is that compared to the SP stage

[sweet delta]

Or called normal mode vs challenge mode

[sweet delta]

You can try it for free in the current event , but it's a level 125 boss

[split gazelle]

what is this new nagato meta about? anything useful I should care about?

[stark quiver]

its not new

[sweet delta]

No, because it only breaks even with BBs and is only useful against heavy slow or stopped bosses

[stark quiver]

is the top anti heavy bb comp , not accounting for timing and boss skills meck, lion, alsace for a 77 second battle

[viscid swift]

ok then, I'll compromise a bit

[red sapphire]

Quick question. Lion on a mob or boss fleet?

[stark quiver]

either works
depends on what other BBs you have

[red sapphire]

Musashi NJ Bismark Zwei are the UR BB I have. I have some SR too

Forgot Vanguard

[red hawk]

lol I put my best ships on it and I didn't even reach 80

[whole crypt]

so what's the new nagato comp

[undone plover]

someone tell me the ch15 command

[viscid swift]

Nagato, Amagi, Hakuhou, Trafalgar I think against heavy armor meta bosses assuming the boss doesn't move then the CVs hit their torps

[stark quiver]

is traf that good

[viscid swift]

yes

[stark quiver]

is it becuase theres no other HR buffer

[whole crypt]

probably since we're slotting a BB to proc her, but her own red/blue slash is also pretty dandy

more rather just additional utility

[cobalt rapids]

/guide

[sweet delta]

Which 2 CV to pick is to be tested and depends on the vanguard damage, but hard to test when all the available heavy bosses have no HP

[stark quiver]

mushi good at mob
lion boss

[red sapphire]

Alright ty ^^

[gilded dune]

Are the random skin packs worth buying?

[cobalt rapids]

only if ure comfortable with getting any of the skins or u have a gambling addicition

[sweet delta]

what if cogs are excluded in the value?

[cobalt rapids]

i think i was accounting for cubes and cogs

[slender turtle]

Anyone got the guide for the challenge bosses?

[cobalt rapids]

https://suchiguma.github.io/challengemode/challenge-mode

[slender turtle]

Ty

[cobalt rapids]

somehow i read that as included
i mean its only 50 cogs and i think i used the event packs rate which is 1k cogs for 300 gems so it barely changes anything

[undone plover]

what did u use for coob value neko
i had 27 gem/cube for my sheet

[cobalt rapids]

yea the default rate

[slow fox]

-# Agir and Brest in "transitional," and their transition is into Napoli for not being impactful

-# eHP believers in shambles

[undone plover]

for ppl who find this useful

[cobalt rapids]

yea without cubes lucky bag drops quite abit

also even worse if u consider the other special case

[undone plover]

what special case

[gilded dune]

Does the oil thing produce more oil at a higher level or just increase the cap?
I stg I have like no oil ever

[viscid swift]

both

[red hawk]

2300 oil per day @ 100 when you burn 800+ per run, you get like 3 runs a day and that's it unless you're doing comms and stuff

[cobalt rapids]

well theres also missions and pack and event shops and other sources
and comms are a big income that shouldnt be ignored

[red hawk]

no, I just mean it feels like it would be nice if we could have just a smidge more oil considering how easy it is to tap out of it early on

[cobalt rapids]

most people are sitting above softcap

[red hawk]

and yeah, we get weekly for maint and stuff I get that. Just feels like unless you sit off it for a couple days, you're always thirsty

how many people in their first six months

[cobalt rapids]

well active players will be drained of oil yea
but at the end of the day its just the usuall gacha stamina system
which is actually more plentiful compared to others

[red hawk]

yeah, and I mean, you can do a lot of opsi too. Just frustrating cause I want to get a couple things done and I can't just dive in

[undone plover]

it is 800+ per 3xrun unless u mean for ppl without oilcap

[eternal basalt]

~~Nearing 600k in mails ~~

[red hawk]

yeah it's worse without oil cap, and some stages are 900+ I was just doing a rough of what I get daily at my level just from that one source. I know I end up with a lot more from other sources such as missions comms and weeklies. That's just if I don't do anything but collect.

and yeah when I say run, I don't ever do non 3x runs except when doing clears of stages for stars

so I just default to 3x

[undone plover]

i think we calc'ed at at around 6k per day if u spread the weekly oil and assume ~1500 oil from comms or around that ballpark
would be nicer if it was more I agree

[red hawk]

its too easy to no life while im on work seasonal layoff, if I was better about just doing comms and swapping games or sitting in opsi only for like a week Id be good

[violet grail]

I need a break from opsi at this point XD. Unlocked arbiter, but it's looking like i'm gonna need around 12 fights to beat it.

[slow fox]

I'm so excited for OpSi 2, that allows you to build 12 fleets, and instead of OpSi Mats, it drops URudder fragments.

[violet grail]

Yey. Aight absolutely no point trying to do hard mode right?

[crimson glacier]

hard mode has more rewards but if you struggle with normal then you have no chance vs hard

[eternal basalt]

I mean, you can try to get atleast the first range of rewards

[wooden gull]

Taihou's dorm doesn't seem to load the furniture and room in for me, I can only see her and walk around a void

[foggy phoenix]

What is the best gear for I-404? And do I replace I-19 or I-168?

[forest palm]

replace both tbh, Japanese subs suck

[slow fox]

-# I've been using the slow torps sub fleet. Never been happier.

[desert tapir]

Does anyone recall where in the wiki/pins/bot the bulin for the month are listed?

[forest palm]

sam's resource guide iirc

[hollow gust]

Try deleting and redownlong her files

[quiet kiln]

Is ryuusei kai parallel or converging?

[rigid onyx]

what are all the mainfleet ships with a fast load but not preload

[rain bobcat]

conv. its also stated in the game if you press the details

[stark quiver]

fast load skill?

[quiet kiln]

Never knew you can check it by ingame details, thanks

[rain bobcat]

any ship if you put a fast enough gun what can I say

[stark quiver]

bois belleau, luna, indep to name a few,
champagne she has a preload but still fast loader

[rain bobcat]

no ship can do 10s rld on a champy gun

just fast rld then quite a few

[rigid onyx]

what are you saying

[stark quiver]

what are you asking for

fast load skills or just a fast reload time compared to counterparts

[rigid onyx]

nah ur fine i was talking about fast load skills like the ones u listed

[rain bobcat]

yeah its just a bit vague because fast can either be 17-18s or 10s

[rigid onyx]

how is fast 17s 😭

[stark quiver]

formi u, and chise are also there but yah

whatre you trying to do

[rigid onyx]

opsi brainrot

[rain bobcat]

champ percy indep is quite good

I use it with ibuki eldridge+1

[rigid onyx]

ig itll be either bois + bearnm or amagi cv + akagi \mu

[stark quiver]

amagi cv slow af

[rigid onyx]

reread skills

[rain bobcat]

she has a skill con

[rigid onyx]

When sortied with Akagi or Kaga: decreases the loading time of this ship's first airstrike by 20% (50%).

[rain bobcat]

^

muse herself also decreases own rld time by 40 or something %

[rigid onyx]

indep in fourth fleet is kinda brainrotted icl but i never use it anyways

[stark quiver]

pick between
lion, percy, aquila

or aquila, percy, indep/bois/chise/formi U/some fast loader

lion flame too op

[rain bobcat]

lion double autoloader hoodgun

[rigid onyx]

if i was really brainrotted i think best is lion percy bois watarase ibuki harbin for c5

but idt that can one fleet strongholds consistently

[stark quiver]

if you use akagi and amagi cv, youre sacking a preload

[rigid onyx]

you dont want to stack preloads

[stark quiver]

you do

[rain bobcat]

you already stack a preload unless you dont use ibuki or something with early burst

[rigid onyx]

i thought it was common that stacking mainfleet preloads splashed most of them into water

[stark quiver]

not rly, it clears waves quite well

i use this
100% consistency if its geared
50% without gear

[rigid onyx]

100% consistency in what

[stark quiver]

everything not called hard/ arbiter

[rain bobcat]

oh percy on ST build?

[stark quiver]

its a mob fleet

maybe i was using hinden instead of harbin i forgot
dont need eld unless you have supreme skill issue

[rain bobcat]

interesting idea to use rocket maybe I should try

[gritty spear]

Just out of curiosity, I'd like to ask: What equipment would you recommend for Ulrich von Hutten if I want to maximise his firepower? I'm not interested in the rest of the stats. I just want a super battleship that can tear enemy ships apart with a single salvo. Well, maybe I exaggerated a bit with that statement, but you know what I mean. As I write, the question is just out of curiosity, because I've already put together an interesting set in my head (let's skip, out of mercy, the H U G E amount of time it will take to complete it):

Main gun: Triple 460mm (Type 94)
Secondary gun: Triple 180mm (Improved B-1-P Pattern 1932)
Anti air gun: Twin 57mm Bofors (Mle 1951)
Auxiliary: Super Heavy Shell, Type 1 Armor Piercing Shell

I suppose that if, by some miracle, I managed to acquire such a set and the ship will be at level 125 with six stars, it indeed would be terrifyingly powerful. Nevertheless, I am curious if anyone knows of a potentially even more powerful set. That is why I am asking.

Well, whatever the case, this is just a question out of curiosity, but I will ask a more serious one:

[rain bobcat]

plygun..

[gritty spear]

Is the development of these rainbow weapons even feasible in a timeframe that is, shall we say, accessible to ordinary mortals? So far, I have only seen one rainbow concept sketch for as much as 500 special tokens. However, I have never encountered these, for example, for guns, as required here. I must admit, in my opinion, this is too much of an exaggeration, because this particular gun was available at one time for 10,000 currency units from one of the events. Earning that much currency is absolutely trivial. In one day, I earned about 5,000 of these feathers from the current event to purchase Asama. I already have her and have long exceeded the 10,000 feather threshold.

The weapon is the same, so the difficulty level should be the same for both methods. Meanwhile, here it seems absurdly difficult, as if this weapon were actually meant to destroy absolutely everything in its path. If I ever manage to get it, I hope that will be the case :_:

[rain bobcat]

holy wall of text

ur just a newbie so it makes sense it seems like an insurmountable wall

[rigid onyx]

you need to do operation siren for mats

[river junco]

opsi grind, it's doable, just takes some time

[dark hazel]

Is there an exact number for rld breakpoint where snorkel is better than torp on 404? sushi didn't mention in his video and I'm curious if I'm anywhere close

[rigid onyx]

you need +25-30 from cats

or oath

[stark quiver]

oh right and double +13 black shell and +10/9 bowgun dont forget

[rain bobcat]

ehh...

[dark hazel]

thanks, I'm at +23 with my base cats that I'm leveling so that's great

[rigid onyx]

yeah sub cats are actually pretty easy to get to decent reload

[gritty spear]

I know. I've already started working on the second chapter. I'm more interested in those rainbow materials. I haven't come across them yet, and so far I've seen that you can occasionally buy one for a lot of currency. So I was just curious how long it might take and whether you can get them from bosses, etc., or only from shops.

[dark hazel]

I just hit a pretty much perfect steel to start rolling so hopefully it won't take 10yrs

[rigid onyx]

you're on the 2nd chapter of a monthly resetting game mode and are suprised you havent gotten a lot of the highest tier of mat?

[stark quiver]

mk7 probbaly isnt too high prio for you

[rain bobcat]

[stark quiver]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19P3KPrgOrzCySoUrjDZgsfqJsCpJCyb9XmmSKozVzbw/edit?usp=sharing
follow this guide for decent progression

[river junco]

Assuming you've finished OpSi storyline and OpSi is now refreshing monthly for you, the St. Petersburg shop has 3 UR Gear Designs you can convert to BB plans. If you're very lucky you can get one of the MK7s in 1-2 months, otherwise it will take about 3.

[rigid onyx]

you get 4 universal rainbow bps per month plus like around 3 random per month

and you get the file loggers for a one time rainfall

[rain bobcat]

you get 1-3 easily in ur first month reset bc of loggers

[gritty spear]

Oh! You have something similar to what I came up with. Lol, almost 6,000 strength. That's a lot.

[rain bobcat]

not rly

[rigid onyx]

also highest per salvo damage with uvh is a weird choice considering her skills of having a super fast load at the cost of per salvo damage

[rain bobcat]

I have ships at 6000+ missing an entire gear

[stark quiver]

cap ong

[rain bobcat]

well instead of missing its just unupgraded

[stark quiver]

fleet power isnt a good metric of good metric for ship ability btw

[rigid onyx]

if you wanted to hit the biggest single number what ship would even be the choice

[rain bobcat]

lion probably no? buffed up

[rigid onyx]

not like total damage in a salvo just have the biggest number appear

[rain bobcat]

hm

[gritty spear]

I start playing this game not that long ago, but I've made a lor od progress since then. That's why I'm curious. Well, if it requires that much work, I'll do it. Not this month, but next month I'll play as much as I need to.

[rain bobcat]

musashi skill crit on heavy? not sure

[gritty spear]

I'll be able to get that New Jersey for missions soon, so I'm just asking out of curiosity. Because having a gun like that would definitely be cool.

[stark quiver]

probably isuzu with 20k aa damage a shot

[rigid onyx]

aa damage

[rain bobcat]

I forgot isuzu existed

last used her when w13 came out

[stark quiver]

its cool but maybe not practical

[rigid onyx]

i wouldve guessed like meck crit against heavy with mushashi gun super buffed by helena, ply, vanguard, z52, als

[viscid swift]

You gear ships based on content more than anything else

[stark quiver]

hi cheky

[viscid swift]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/gear-lab

[rapid shard]

Any use case for this plane at all?

[viscid swift]

no

[rigid onyx]

these are honestly the type of tests to do once your account isn't poor, not when you're new and its honestly a useless resource sink

there's a line between gearing a ship well and gearing a ship for a useless metric using gold plates on musashi gun

[viscid swift]

and again, this game is marathon not a sprint

expecting things to take months if not years is completely normal

[subtle flare]

fleet tech

[gritty spear]

Lol, 2-3 months compared to purchasing the same thing in a maximum of a few days of playing the event (or even shorter, in my case)? They really went overboard here. Now, I must admit, I look at the current Ryuusai Kai, for example, with huge regret and disgust. Because what is it, some kind of golden plane in comparison with those rainbow weapons? Even if they didn't add it to the event shop, I get those kind of stuff regularly. So, based on what is written here, I conclude that if you want to assess whether an event is meaningful, you should first check whether there is anything rainbow-coloured in the shop. Because if not, then it's already weak. The rest of the factors determine whether it is very weak or moderately weak.

[viscid swift]

what

[river junco]

???

[stark quiver]

light armor targets with big hitbox where this plane can be marginally better than the helldiver

[rigid onyx]

limited exchanges from an event shop are easier than the renewable grind -- and is also a false comparison because the shops are limited by being an event

[viscid swift]

The Ryussei Kai is one of the best coverging torpedo bombers in the game

[subtle flare]

is this ragebait or what chat

[rain bobcat]

ryuusei kai is the best plane for its use case lol

[river junco]

Rainbow does not equal good

[viscid swift]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide

like, you might wanna do some brushing up on what good gear is

[rain bobcat]

come back after 3 years when you use full ijn spearfish and complain about dmg against heavy ill wait

[subtle flare]

seriously tho, the sb2c helldiver is a purple divebomber and its like 3rd bis, you have to look at the stats of the weapons, not just rarity

dps is based on the bombs/torps the plane has, rainbow does not mean having good bombs

[rapid shard]

Appreciate it.

[rigid onyx]

its 4th now 🤧

[stark quiver]

wat

[viscid swift]

what

[stark quiver]

did i miss something

[rigid onyx]

isnt it like tenrai skyraider gold heldiver thats basically only better at +13 then purple

[dark hazel]

scroll up slightly

[viscid swift]

Goldiver is bait

[rigid onyx]

true

[stark quiver]

i mean the part where helldiver is 4th best

[viscid swift]

just pretend it doesn't exist

[rain bobcat]

still better technically

[subtle flare]

but investment compared to gains wise?

[stark quiver]

in which its the second best for its use case
which is campaign and heavy armor bosses

because skyraider sucks at heavy

[rain bobcat]

still better dmg just horrible investment for the gain

[stark quiver]

i took so long to type that, mfs already are onto a differnt topic 😭

[viscid swift]

it's only 3rd best of we consider it in the context of DB only slots

which we shouldn't in 2025

[rigid onyx]

saratoga is decent

i used her a while for opsi mobbing

[subtle flare]

is there an option in skin shop to sort by most recently released?

[river junco]

Don't think so, seems like only by skin theme or type, and the other standard things like ship type and faction

[subtle flare]

shame, the quality difference of skins' art over the years is insane

[gritty spear]

But what other weapon could be better on New Jersey? Probably none. The purple junk you have to use is temporary. Even if some of them are, for example, the third best weapon in their class, they are not the first. And isn't the point to have the best of everything, if you can?

I don't know the game that well, but I can't think of any purple weapons that are as good as the rainbow ones. And I'm not talking about golden ones here, because that's obvious and I have no problem with it.

[rigid onyx]

what

the purple version of nj gun is almost as good if both at +10

and like vs medium champy gun is better

[river junco]

Musashi sometimes likes having a rapid firing blue/purple IJN gun

[rigid onyx]

mushashi gun is also really bad and a rainbow

[viscid swift]

let me put it like this, the Mk7 you're so obssed with is only a 10% damage improvement per salvo over the Mk6 assuming both are +10 and it reloads slower

and the Mk7 looses out the various good gold AP guns against medium and heavy armor

[rain bobcat]

its copable

[rigid onyx]

its cope for niche stuff like putting it on lion for opsi so she doesnt fire before the node ends 😭

[viscid swift]

as always it would be preferable yes to have the best possible gear for each scenario but if you don't, so long as you have solid gear that's usually good enough

[rain bobcat]

mushi gun mushi can be same dmg with izumo gun as well and peak higher its just horrible investment

[viscid swift]

like I want to emphasize, higher rarity does not automatically mean better in AL

[rain bobcat]

mans just crazy for the shiny rainbow

[stark quiver]

albacore better than ryuusei kai

[rigid onyx]

the best dd ehp aux in the game is purple (toolkit)

[rain bobcat]

time to gear everyone even hindenburg with rainbow dildo

[river junco]

toolkit is just a good aux in general, not even just for dds

[rain bobcat]

and use spearfish on all torp slots

[viscid swift]

my vanguard literally all uses Fire Extinguishers for the current META showdown

[stark quiver]

how many days left for opsi

[rain bobcat]

wait I dont have gold fuck

[subtle flare]

4

[stark quiver]

oh shit

[rain bobcat]

I wanted to meme and craft more spearfish and screenshot double spearfish ijn fleet

[rigid onyx]

the best torp in the game bar none is gold

[stark quiver]

[rain bobcat]

someone do it if you have more spearfishes

[rigid onyx]

(unless you're a manual player like a weirdo)

the best campaign fighters are golds

[viscid swift]

one of the best sub auxes is a purple

like the list goes on

[rigid onyx]

my support fleet in w15 only uses LA-9s 😺

[stark quiver]

[subtle flare]

yea azur lane ≠ fortnite

[gritty spear]

But that's not what I meant. I was just talking about the fact that I can easily get a golden plane, even if it's a bit worse, from the box. Instantly. And rainbow weapons, as you've probably noticed yourself, if you can't buy them during an event, it takes an extremely long time to research them.

And that's why, personally, an event with rainbow weapons in the shop is 100 times more valuable to me than one with golden ones. Anyway, my original argument in the question was that there is an absurdly large disproportion between the time spent researching these rainbow weapons and acquiring them in the event shop.

Now that many people are writing here that they are often not even the best, it seems to me that this proves my point even more.

[rain bobcat]

you can.. its just on specific events

[rigid onyx]

most rainbow guns have a gold or purple equivalent that's almost as good

[stark quiver]

you can buy UR weapons/aux from events

[rapid shard]

Still doesnt change the fact that there is several gold.options that are almost as good or sometimes better than UR equipment

[viscid swift]

I mean there is but it's not like getting even gold gear from PR research or the lab is all that quick

[rigid onyx]

and like shop UR gear is limited by how often events with rainbow gear is ran.

[viscid swift]

like the Mk7 was originally an event shop item

[rigid onyx]

believe it or not they don't want you to have bis rainbow gear instantly

[viscid swift]

we were stick with just 2 for what, 3 years

[river junco]

Event shop is also limited to 1 purchase of the gear per run, won't give you all the gear you need

[verbal mulch]

Why would you put two fire extinguishers on a battleship? Seems like lost damage potential

[rigid onyx]

vanguard

[viscid swift]

I said vanguard

[stark quiver]

vanguard is a battleship

[verbal mulch]

Yeah, a battleship

[rigid onyx]

and only one per vanguard the effect doesn't stack I don't believe

[viscid swift]

vanguard not Vanguard

[rain bobcat]

ur heavily misinterpreting gearlab

[stark quiver]

anyways, cheeky meant frontline

[subtle flare]

some bis gold/rainbow gear is still timegated behind research/gear lab, so for at least a few months you still have to use budget gear while you wait to get multiple copies of the gears to fully equip your fleets, i don't think we're arguing that purple always beats rainbows

[viscid swift]

I don't use Vanguard these days anyway

[rain bobcat]

70% of rainbow gearlab weapons are either event items or PR research equipment, both of which you can only get 1 gear from for a long time

[viscid swift]

what

no they're not

like a tiny portion of the stuff in the lab was from events

[sweet delta]

wait til he finds out shiny mk7 is barely better than purple mk6 at the same enhancement levels

[rain bobcat]

wont matter

[viscid swift]

yeah there's a decent amount of PR gear in there as well, but by and large it consists of either original unique gear or stuff you could already get from maps and tech boxes

[rain bobcat]

the rarity brainwash is too strong

[subtle flare]

fortnite cooked too hard

[rain bobcat]

should have specified rainbow my bad its like 5050 or 6040 for rainbow

[stark quiver]

i forge my own rainbow gear

[gritty spear]

If that's the case, then that's why I'm wondering why it takes so long to obtain them. Isn't this a lack of balance?

And yes, I know that all of this can be obtained in specific events. That's why I emphasise their value, because without them, obtaining these items seems "impossible". And of course, I put that word in quotation marks because it is possible, but the gap is enormous. And that surprises me.

Why do I need these rainbow weapons? Well, I assume that they are in the game for a reason. If they are not at least better than, for example, their gold counterparts, then why do they exist at all?

[stark quiver]

Because devs said so

[viscid swift]

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, the gameplay is not the main focus of this game at all

[rain bobcat]

[viscid swift]

it is primarily a character collection and skin game

the actual gameplay was never the main focus and it's by and large and afterthought at this point

[stark quiver]

cue faerlein

[viscid swift]

there's no consistently new or rotating difficult content outside of META showdowns

[dark hazel]

perhaps you're overthinking this gacha game and should just buy the gold plane and move on

[viscid swift]

but they keep adding newer and better ships and gear for reasons

like

for most content on this game, all that new gear and ships is complete overkill

[gritty spear]

If that's the case, then why does the rainbow equivalent, which takes "2-3 months" to research, exist at all? Isn't that ridiculous?

[viscid swift]

it's only a relatively small percentage of people who care about consistently one shotting META showdown bosses that will gain any menaingful benefit from it all

[rain bobcat]

only meta needs newer ships

the rest of the content is comfortably clearable by ships from 2023 basically

[viscid swift]

maybe, but that's simply how the system was designed

[rain bobcat]

so you play for longer?

its not rocket science

[viscid swift]

like if you're gonna try and make sense of the AL dev's decision making

my best advice would be don't

take this from nearly 5 years of experience on the matter

[stark quiver]

holy flex

[rapid shard]

Cant speak for anyone else but after about 1 1/4-1/2 months of casual opsi playing ive got enough mats to craft basically any 1 rainbow gun/plane i want. Along with being halfway to getting a tenrai from blueprints as well and 10/50 for meck gun. It does take a while but not super necessary to have them when golds are clearing everything i attempt with proper fleet setups

[gritty spear]

I mean, that wasn't even my goal. All this discussion arose solely from a question about recommended sets for ships. Well, if it doesn't make sense, then I won't pay too much attention to this rainbow armament. Besides, contrary to appearances, it's not like I don't use anything else. I even have that Ryuusai Kai on my aircraft carrier and lots of other gold equipment. I don't have any rainbow gear yet, and from what you write, it's even better.

[rapid shard]

Golds and purples have had me clearing all the way trou 13-4 and 14-1 without much issue and always being 5ish levels under

[subtle flare]

i think the the overall message should be follow tier list and youre good for 90% of content

[viscid swift]

no I'm saying to just look at this
https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide

[subtle flare]

sorry, that's what i meant by the tier list

[viscid swift]

it's not a tier list though

[stark quiver]

youre right, its a semi-tier list

[subtle flare]

i meeeeean it has rankings from best to 3rd best, just replace that with SSS, SS, S

either way that's what i was referring to, follow guide and build fleets according to content and you gucci

[spark patio]

can so explain about getting ship’s exclusive gun? like drake, etc? like we can get their gun bps after we had them in our dock?

[rapid shard]

Crafting in gear lab or prints randomly from that PR research

You dont need the ship to get the gear

[spark patio]

oh ok, that makes sense

[subtle flare]

her gun is from research series 3, so the bps drops from series 3 projects

[viscid swift]

that's just what we call the gun

it's not exclusive to her

[spark patio]

I mean we need to have the ship to get their gun bps from research

[viscid swift]

no

[rain bobcat]

its not exclusive in anyway

[viscid swift]

it's just a name based on what ships carried the gun in real life or in WoWs

[rain bobcat]

its called that because its the actual gun they have

[viscid swift]

for those of us with an interest in naval history

[spark patio]

I mean exclusive just like their “signature” weapon

[rapid shard]

For example a PR6 project give PR6 gear prints randomly

[viscid swift]

it's a lot easier and clearer than having to remember the full in game name

[rain bobcat]

if you look at them as an actual ship thats the gun they have so its easier to call it that

because half the things have the same calibre

you could say 203 and there'd be 30 different guns

[stark quiver]

me when someone tells me to use 406

[rapid shard]

Or the 20 diff triple 406s lol

[spark patio]

understood, so we dont need to unlock the ship to get the gun

[gritty spear]

On the other hand, looking at this list, there are quite a few rainbow weapons here. So I guess gold and purple are enough, but if I ever collected all the materials for something rainbow, I could buy it without huge regret.

During the event, even the game itself insists on it. Someone above raised the argument that you can't compare it because the event shop is only open for a limited time. But what's the problem with collecting 10,000 currency units?

Generally speaking, my interest in these rainbow items also stems from the fact that on other lists, they quite often occupy the top positions in their classes. So I'm not saying that gold or purple stuff is significantly worse. I'm just saying that there must be something to it.

[spark patio]

i thought the gun with their names just like you need to have them to unlock their weapon like other games

[stark quiver]

yes purple and gold are good enough for most if not all content
Rainbows are usually best in slots, but isnt alwyas the case

[rain bobcat]

if ur talking about ectl that specifically puts things in no order or only by dmg type

[rapid shard]

Na its simply cause most dont want to type out Triple 406Mk7 every time so most just say NJ gun

[stark quiver]

ectl 💀

[rain bobcat]

if you want actual gear guide go to suchi's github

[viscid swift]

do not underestimate how lazy/poorly informed your average player is

even consistently getting the event UR gear is not something I expect

and the UR gear from events is significantly easier to obtain

but it's a window that is if you're lucky open for 3 weeks at max

[spark patio]

[viscid swift]

you can't exactly make it difficult to get especially in what is a more casual game like AL

[rapid shard]

And fully typing out French gun names would be a paragraph every time lol

[viscid swift]

like you complain how long it takes to get UR gear from the lab and research which is valid but they're also permaneny

if you decide to take a break or something you don't loose a chance to get them

[subtle flare]

what happens to UR event gear once event ships are added to the perma pool?

[viscid swift]

they eventually get made permanent

[rapid shard]

Champ gun - Prototype triple 406mm/50 main gun mount

[spark patio]

tbh, i don’t really understand why some guns that good for my ships and some are just shit for my ship lel. i just listened to gph

[subtle flare]

I missed AFCT both times, coping

[viscid swift]

emphasis on eventually though, it usually takes a while

after the event itself is made permanent

[spark patio]

like purple MK6 is really good while some gold guns are just worse than rare gun.

[rapid shard]

Thats just determined by ammo type, fire rate, dmg per salvo, spread and other factors. Triple mk6 purple is just ridiculously good lol

[spark patio]

I just being stoopid when i look at the stat, can’t even understand if it good or bad

[rapid shard]

Bro im in the same boat. Luckily there's tons of people that love math and testing nonstop on new gear so people like us dont have to worry about doing all that

[stark quiver]

its simple
take a baseline weapon such as champy gun for heavy/med
and then compare stats of other ap guns to it

raffy gun always on top for med

[gritty spear]

I wouldn't really think about it if it were just more balanced. That is:

1. Either the research would be faster and require fewer resources.

2. Or you would need to collect more currency in the event.

3. Or leave it as it is in the case of research, but make the rainbow weapons significantly more powerful than even the gold ones.

I'll probably comment on something else here tomorrow, but for now I'm going to sleep.

[rapid shard]

The game is a marathon tho as you play you'll slowly aquire all the rainbows and top end gear just takes time. People wouldn't be playing for 5+ years straight if you could have it all in 3 months

[spark patio]

how did we know if those were good for medium and these were for heavy… math issue?

[rain bobcat]

might get gear labbed

[stark quiver]

some no lifes did a lot of testing

[rain bobcat]

also both times is crazy

[rapid shard]

Look at the modifier for armor types on the gun then test against that armor type in game. See which is most consistent and does most dmg

[stark quiver]

theres no auxiliary gears in lab
im banking more towards limited core shop

[stark quiver]

its not only modifier

[viscid swift]

like I said, this game is old and the PR system is no exception

The long development times were because the PR ships used to be without exception the best ships in the game

development times, longer than what we have currrently thanks to among other things no research queue were entirely reasonable

[rapid shard]

Champ gun modifiers for example

[rapid shard]

True but thats at least a very basic baseline to start at

[spark patio]

I just give up studying those as soon as i checked a random formula in wiki

[viscid swift]

unfortunately the increasingly common nature of gacha URs and powercreep as a whole does have a tendency to change things

[stark quiver]

oh yea the damage formula?
just grab a pen and paper

[subtle flare]

yeah took breaks at the wrong times 😔

[spark patio]

i dont even know some sympols mean lel

[rain bobcat]

me when I hiatus for 6 months and miss the most broken URs back to back to back

[spark patio]

it just like a map in my hometown

[rapid shard]

Thats why guys like a suchi are amazing for a games community cause they do all that math and testing and let the casual players know if A, B or C is worth investing in/using in the first place

[spark patio]

I also don’t know what “volley” mean, i just knew the armor type bc it was super easy

[rapid shard]

Volley is when a BB fires its main gun aka the big dmg shot

Side note tho if people think the math in this game is bad for calcing stuff FGO makes this seem like middle school math 😂

[spark patio]

the one who created those formulas is just genius

[rapid shard]

I will ask tho what's the trick to having BBs hit 200k+ in a fight? Ive got NJ fully geared out according to the guides and running a pretty standard boss fleet setup with Helena maxed and most ive managed to hit is 175k against Jintsuu META. Is that just the powercrepe from the new URs ?

[stark quiver]

read boss skills

[late flame]

-# copy homework

[rain bobcat]

copy, get +13 gear

[rain bobcat]

are you using aurora?

[stark quiver]

i do not reccommend +13ing the slow 406 for jim

[rapid shard]

Haven't gotten her yet sadly but with Jintsuu in particular NJ never really misses volleys

[rain bobcat]

its not abt missing the volley mate

its about her evading the shot that "hit" like how ur vanguard has "miss" on them when they have good eva

[rapid shard]

Other than Aurora is there any other easily aquirable eva debuffers?.

[stark quiver]

trafalgar

[rapid shard]

Thats not a UR lol

[stark quiver]

chappayev

[rain bobcat]

chapy yea

[rapid shard]

Don't have her either lol hopefully I can snag her or aurora from dailys. Vanguard i normally run for bosses is Anchorage (Fatesim) Helena retro and Harbin (almost finished with fatesim). Along with NJ warspite retro and I rotate out 3rd backline trying to find best for light armor bosses. Sometimes Georgia or someone like enty

[rain bobcat]

youve prob got no hope without eva rate debuffer

[viscid swift]

getting 4 salvos off helps for one esepcially against Jintsuu META