gameplay-help

[cobalt rapids]

no carry over

[frank phoenix]

So all in or nothing ,got it. Ty

So with that in mind and with what I currently have,should I pull tomorrow or wait for other new UR/rerun?

Got almost 300 cubes ready ,more to come when I hit lvl 60 and can progress further xD

[undone plover]

always pull new UR
u can wait for datamine but no reason to skip UR banners

[cobalt rapids]

pull tomorrow
u can get 100 more cubes in the spawn of 3 weeks
but u might not even have to

[frank phoenix]

That 100 is from daily/weeklies only,right ?

[cobalt rapids]

ur bigger issue might be coins instead

[frank phoenix]

Pulling around 20k/day,idk from where xD

[cobalt rapids]

yea theres 168 guaranteed per month but usually more because comms give a decent amount
active to semi active players can expect like 2+ from comms / day

[undone plover]

yeah and not pulling light banner + 10 cube from event means another 30
cruise pass also resetting next month so maybe a few coobs there

[frank phoenix]

So with lvl 60 progressing further I'd assume 200-250 cubes in 3 weeks

[frank phoenix]

Tf is light banner ?

[cobalt rapids]

massena essex unicorn sanfran z23 hardi should handle the event with good poverty gear and maybe more levels
just need to pass the hm reqs
D stages arent brilliant for coins but at least they are oil capped
since ure lv60 that means no ch9 for u

[cobalt rapids]

the construction tab that says "Light" on it

[frank phoenix]

They go brr, don't have ss with Massena gear but kinda the same

[undone plover]

the guarenteed 168 per month assumes u do 1 build daily on light banner (the perma banner that costs 1 cube) to get 1 cube from the daily mission
during events u dont need to do that since u are pulling on the event banner daily (usually)
so actually your cube income is slightly higher during events

[frank phoenix]

I always did my daily pull on special tab,should I do it on light instead ?

[cobalt rapids]

yea swap the ships to the fleet above
non limit broken ships arent doing u any favours
its better to focus ur xp and gear into a super one fleet for now
sanfran hopefully u can afford to limit break her

[frank phoenix]

I keep changing things up there for leveling them on easier stages ,Massena is 99,7/100 and it's bugging me xD

[cobalt rapids]

hopefully u played essex minigame for her retrofit item aswell

[fallen jay]

Who should I recruit from this?

[frank phoenix]

Also since I hit lvl 50 I keep getting lvl 70-100 ship req for assignment missions

[undone plover]

kazagumo
and for the other one save medals for now until end of month
end of month if u have spare medals u can get baltimore*
or anyone else for tech points

[cobalt rapids]

yes but sadly for new player there arent enough bulins and gear and good ship options to go around, thats why its better to focus on one
also more levels are better regardless
usually lv120 is the breakpoint where u stop not lv100

[cobalt rapids]

i mean it is what it is, eventually ull have spares to be comms slaves

[frank phoenix]

Ofc imma upgrade her, but I need 3 ships with maxed enchant to progress on the beginner mission xD

[frank phoenix]

Doesn't rly feel like that,been playing for like 3 weeks and I'm good on clearing stuff/upgrading. My issue is level capped progression for now

[cobalt rapids]

yes but what im saying is that dunk and vanny are eating the xp from unicorn and essex
focus instead on leveling these 6

[frank phoenix]

Been grinding to hit lvl 60 for a week now

[hollow gust]

5 bucks solves most problems

[frank phoenix]

Dunk and vanguard is on boss team,unicorn and Essex on mob fleet

[cobalt rapids]

i mean it clearly is like that considering u have not even 2 fleets that are at max limit break

where is the mlb drawing

[frank phoenix]

Does limit breaking further then 105 require bullins too ?

Irc limit breaking past 100 only took a few blue chips,idk what they called

[stark quiver]

blue chips all the way

[cobalt rapids]

limit break isnt just a level capper, theres also a ton of power locked behind each limit break
so much that a rainbow ship with no limit breaks is worse than a common ship with full stars

also limit break is just the stars
any uncap past lv100 is called cognitive awakening or just awakening

[viscid swift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1376280341337346220/1376291966332964985/mlb1_day.png?ex=68c3d607&is=68c28487&hm=7529d90aec41e33a3d7fa2f9067bc0338955cc44bfc8ea48cd86f73641299c0d&

[stark quiver]

server drop

[viscid swift]

sigh, I swear why does everyone skip the limit breaking section

[frank phoenix]

So the main limiting thing would be limit breaking mats,not bullins

[cobalt rapids]

.

[frank phoenix]

You get 2-3 SSR and like 6-8 purple bullins weekly, haven't rly seen those chips outside of beginner missions/event

[soft raft]

bullins are limit break mats tho

[viscid swift]

there's a daily raid that gives them, that's actually daily

[stark quiver]

can level 94 chappy survive l15 yuucadhi

[frank phoenix]

Locked behind lvl 60...

[viscid swift]

anyway, non max limit broken ships are shit, don't use them

[eternal basalt]

Buy tommorrow in event shop

[frank phoenix]

Tbf I it doesn't make a difference for now, 97% of the dmg is Massena and unicorn,even when other ships are geared as well

[frank phoenix]

I'm like 400 XP away from 60 xD

[viscid swift]

that's gonna change very fucking quickly

and when things do catch up well, they say you're only as good as your weakest link

[frank phoenix]

Ye,waiting for it, can't even see how the ship actually performs in currently available stages/stuff

[viscid swift]

you want to prempt that

all I can say is don't say I didn't warn you

[stark quiver]

whats cookijng

[frank phoenix]

Nah, I'd brute force rng

Will see when I get there

[stark quiver]

i used to brute force until everything exploded and i failed

[frank phoenix]

U didn't try enough times xD

Ig the difficulty curve is just very steep,not linear

Will I get any other level lock after lvl 60?

[eternal basalt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Experience#Feature_unlocks

[stark quiver]

after world 13ish
it spikes

[frank phoenix]

Doesn't say stage locks :c

[eternal basalt]

Chapter 8
Chapter 8 Hard
What?

[frank phoenix]

World 8 is locked behind lvl60

Any further world's need higher level?

[sweet delta]

Nevada mlb DMG: 150541/114204/93439 DPS: 1831/1389/1136 for 82.2s
Lion 0lb DMG: 154743/127765/110865 DPS: 1937/1599/1388 for 79.9s
Lion mlb DMG: 390478/309761/261543 DPS: 5026/3987/3367 for 77.7s

it appears that 0LB Lion with 0 tech is stronger than a MLB Nevada with max tech. Only chance nevada has is aux guns

[frank phoenix]

F

[cobalt rapids]

now do it with uvh

[frank phoenix]

But which one is hotter ? That's the important thing

[viscid swift]

not the place for that

[sweet delta]

UvH limit breaks triple her dmg
Nevada DMG: 150541/114204/93439 DPS: 1831/1389/1136 for 82.2s
Ulrich von Hutten DMG: 103890/95815/81406 DPS: 1166/1075/913 for 89.1s
Ulrich von Hutten DMG: 318057/265359/207536 DPS: 3673/3065/2397 for 86.6s

[viscid swift]

I rest my case

[undone plover]

time to update that graphic

[sweet delta]

Nevada gets 5.6x damage
Nevada DMG: 27841/21121/17280 DPS: 328/249/204 for 84.8s

i wonder if my calculator took off her retrofit automatically

[undone plover]

she is more reliant on limit breaks cuz no barrage

[kindred arrow]

Does tomorrow's maint start at the usual time or did they change the hour along with the day?

[viscid swift]

it starts at the usual time

[kindred arrow]

Great, thank you!

[eternal basalt]

Same for next week

[sweet delta]

but level 125 0lb nevada isnt possible anyways

[eternal basalt]

Nevada META is

[forest palm]

completely different ship at that point

[main lily]

what gear is this

[cobalt rapids]

improved quad mag

[forest palm]

event limited

[main lily]

i prob threw that away or something cuz theres no way i dont have that

is there a substitute for that gear in the current meta fight

[cobalt rapids]

yes like quad mags, rainbow quints or 550mm

downgrades*

[main lily]

ok good, i have plenty of rainbows

oh wait nvm i do have it, ig i became blind for a whole hour

[cerulean tide]

Is it possible to level up ships and farm for coins in chapter 15 at the same time

[cobalt rapids]

yes but its much harder and u need ships to carry ur fleet

[forest palm]

not really, you can certainly do it, but not worth bothering

[cerulean tide]

I need a bunch of coins and exp to level up my ships somehow

[cobalt rapids]

12-4

[forest palm]

12-4 is much simpler for that, if you absolutely want coin then you're going to have to forgo the xp and spam 13-4

[cerulean tide]

12-4 feels so slow though

[sweet delta]

15-4 is bad for coins, and 15-1 is slow too

[turbid dawn]

With all 5 attempts I've been left with 2 or 3 bars of HP left, is this gear wrong or something?

[cerulean tide]

What about 14-4? Or is 13-4 the best?

[sweet delta]

The vanguard gear is wrong yes

[lament spear]

damn 3 fire suppressors

people aren't messing around in optimizing here

[sweet delta]

According to this site, 13-4 gives 12% more coins per oil than 12-4, and you spend oil faster, so it should be faster coins than 12-4. 14-4 is probably not recommended
https://suchiguma.github.io/deepresearch/auto-search-exp-and-coins/#recommendations-chapter-11-and-beyond

[turbid dawn]

How so?

[sweet delta]

Especially z52's gun

But also the torps and AA

You can check the pin for example gear

[undone plover]

check the pin
suchi made a guide
but this is for z52 gear from his guide

[forest palm]

14-4 is also slow

[undone plover]

the reason u go for that AA gun is because with aurora u are probably around 100% hit rate
so having that UR AA gives no extra dmg to her
and u dont need AA anyway afaik in this fight
so the extra AA is also pointless

[stark quiver]

Why are you using eld
Just put a toolkit and extinguisher on 52 and run ply off tank

[proud river]

Question: What should i be spending my 2x oil coupons on?

[stark quiver]

And give aurora a rudder

[sweet delta]

It looks like he has a stronger account than you and can use Eldridge if he fixes the vanguard gear

[cobalt rapids]

when ure grinding and u wanna do it twice as fast

[proud river]

Yeah i know that. But is there a place where it's more efficient to use it? Like i noticed that in WA it doesn't spend double the keys for example

[sweet delta]

That's the only positive interaction I know of

[stark quiver]

[cobalt rapids]

if ure a new player and u dont have access to oilcap then yes
but if ure an older player farming wa for collection then it doesnt do much because it wont count as 2 runs towards the 60 runs reward

[sweet delta]

Do keep in mind that it burns morale twice as fast and also doesn't give twice the urgent commissions

[proud river]

Yeah i noticed that too.

[proud river]

New player here. Been playing for only a month

[turbid dawn]

Well I changed the Vangaurd gear and these were the 2 results I got from my own personal attacks. Doesn't seem consistent then?

[sweet delta]

Then you'll have to drop Eldridge

[turbid dawn]

I don't have Avrora, one of the few SR ships I still haven't levelled. Is Traf just better then or something?

[sweet delta]

Avrora is irrelevant here. So is Trafalgar since Aurora already caps the BBs hit. So you replace Eldridge with Plymouth

[turbid dawn]

Is the Plygun still better then this, even on light?

[undone plover]

your z52 dmg consistently did improve by around 30k
but yeah backline rng determines the rest
which is why getting more vanguard dps is good like they recommended

[sweet delta]

They're similar at equal enhance

[slender pond]

Weird question but how did I miss the 6th anniversary coin? I remember logging in every day for a new event

[viscid swift]

Did you play the mini games?

[slender pond]

If it was a minigame maybe I missed it because of that

[boreal blaze]

Hey so returning player here from... 4 years ago idk anymore?
I stopped at Tosa event
Wondering what are the steps to follow now
Im like level 72 as commander
I have hood lvl 115 and shinano at level 100
Bunch of other ships too.
But the pure number of ships available makes me dizzy.
How do we know to stop using a ship? Like i have phoenix level 120 when do i bench her or do i just spam my max level ships for fleet and mob?
Kinda overwhelmed and guides i saw are awfully not specific...

[agile patrol]

-# i feel your pain so much oh my god . . . i wish you the best . . . 💔

[viscid swift]

First off, where are you in the main campaign?

[harsh gust]

there's not that much you need to know at this stage tbh

you don't really want to use ships that are already level 120 because of fleet tech system - when ships reach level 120 they provide stat bonuses to ALL ships of specific hull type (stats and hull type varies from ship to ship) so you want to upgrade as many of ships to 120 as you can

you should focus on beating main story chapters as well as operation siren - Ops is a main source of materials needed for gear lab where you can craft unique equipment

other than that loop is mostly the same old 'just keep repeating the same stage to get exp/gold/prints'

[viscid swift]

Let me put into simpler terms

For pushing new content use your max/highest level ships

For farming content use as many non maxed ships as you can

[idle kettle]

So… I recently got the Russian kitty cat (Admiral Nakimov), what’s the best way to farm prints for her..? Specific research, etc..?

I haven’t actually built too many ships, my two main fleets are fine (consisting of mostly PR 2 and 4 ships like Fredrich and Ägir), so I usually just had to use gold to develop ships- I’m not really familiar with just farming the prints themselves..

[viscid swift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1376280341337346220/1394706831984693477/chrome_vwpxMIIs7k.png?ex=68c44075&is=68c2eef5&hm=0b8d893f2d5b7b4e4629421f74e5a82e22c34e6aa1556291d8aea290e90e8e3d&

[silk helm]

set pr7 focus and follwo this priority i'd say

~~plagiarism ~~

[fierce lantern]

Which one should I prioritize

[viscid swift]

What

[fierce lantern]

Sorry, who should I level

[slow fox]

What are your interests?

[silk helm]

you

[fierce lantern]

I wanna do world 14

[viscid swift]

Maybe both

[fierce lantern]

Both? Well alright

I was looking at the tier list and it showed hakuryu and raf as good ships

[silk helm]

which tier list? you shoudl be using suchi for w14

[slow fox]

-# suchimisinformation mentioned

[fierce lantern]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home

[slow fox]

-# Now that's actual misinformation

[fierce lantern]

What

[silk helm]

do /tierlist in #bot-spam

[fierce lantern]

Dude this whole time man I thought it was good

[idle kettle]

So if I’m understanding this right… prioritize the 30 min cognition research?

[silk helm]

the 'rankings for end game' one by suchi is just much better and detailed

also check out this https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-14-brief

[fierce lantern]

Alright thanks dawg, also the tierlist I was using before, why does it still exist if the information is so bad

[undone plover]

it is not bad
but it is more aimed towards earlier chapters
and it is not content specific
for example it doesnt tier BB by what content they are good for
it is like average performance in a way

[silk helm]

[muted crescent]

also that one until recently wasn't exactly maintained, Trafalgar spawned in there recently lol

[viscid swift]

Yes

[idle kettle]

Oki doki, I got it. Thank you very much!

[terse roost]

How many cubes to save for ur?

[undone plover]

starting with ~300 is safe for pity
u likely wont need it tho

[soft raft]

if you get absolutely terribly unlucky, you need 400 cubes to hit pity

[gray sphinx]

Yea if you hit pity you basically got cooked lol

[inner idol]

Do any l2d skins go above 1200 gems? I haven't seen any yet but I just wanna be sure

[silk helm]

in my 1 year of playing i've only hit pity once (airmagi)

[north gorge]

The L2D+ are 1280 iirc, maybe the dual form ones too

[inner idol]

Ok nice

I guess the older ones stay at 1200 or less

[undone plover]

dual form is 1680

but we havent had a UR dual form yet
so idk if the price will be different because of that

[stark quiver]

2k gem skin

[forest palm]

I see nothing wrong

[stark quiver]

with my wallet

[forest palm]

I'm a whale spender

[terse roost]

Ohh I thought it was 800

[undone plover]

it is 200 pulls so 400 cubes
reruns have free build tickets so u need even less cubes

but tomorrow is new event not rerun

[fallen verge]

how many free tickets do they generally come with?

[undone plover]

UR events ~44
SR events ~30 iirc

[terse roost]

I just get 1 copy and use 5 bulins or should I get multiple from construct

[silk helm]

4 bulins

[undone plover]

4 bulins/copies is needed for MLB but who are u asking about?

[terse roost]

New ur

[turbid marsh]

most likely 1 copy from construction and use bulins.

[terse roost]

alr

[fallen verge]

are any of the meta dossier ships particularly notable

[viscid swift]

didn't you already ask this question and get answered

[sweet delta]

Jintsuu META is meta in #pvp and high scoring EX

[fallen verge]

me?

considering i just unlocked the meta showdowns, i doubt it

[viscid swift]

meh, but anyway Jintsuu is the only remotely notable one outside of tech

[quiet kiln]

Does OpSi consume morale?

[viscid swift]

no

[hallow mountain]

Is Fancy going to be in the Perma pool in the next update?

[viscid swift]

she already is and has been for years

[hallow mountain]

Wait really I thought she'll be limited banners

[viscid swift]

she already released and reran

[hallow mountain]

[viscid swift]

oh wait sorry

Fancy will not be in the perma pool next update

we don't know when she'll be added

[ivory pawn]

Hasn't even had her rerun yet. Gotta see what happens to the first batch of Tempesta ships this year before even hoping to guess when she's added to perma, but I bet Fancy reruns around October.

[forest palm]

we'll know what they're doing with past Tempesta come October

[stark quiver]

add +5 ships into perma banner

[forest palm]

imagine needing ships from the perm pool

[stark quiver]

imagine being old

[forest palm]

better than resource struggling, and perma pool dumpster diving

[cursive saffron]

When is the event

[cursive saffron]

Oh on friday

[harsh gust]

in 6 hours + maint duration

[full knoll]

Can someone explain how PR vouchers work to me? Do you have to still have to get the fleet tech points or not?

[uneven knot]

i saw they were doing double xp will this increase pr xp aswell?

epic win

[vale spindle]

Check pins if that pin is still there it should tell you I think

[full knoll]

I read through the whole thing, didn’t mention anything about fleet tech points so still unsure about that

[viscid swift]

No

[full knoll]

Thank you

[vocal niche]

what are ships with red BG?

[viscid swift]

What

[vocal niche]

found them in a pvp mode team

[viscid swift]

Got a screen shot

[vocal niche]

ummm already done fighting them

[harsh gust]

it was probably a skin with background

[vocal niche]

I see

[harsh gust]

or a meta ship and you mistook black-redish frame with background

background depends on rarity and no rarity has red bg

[vocal niche]

yep I think they are meta ships since the whole team got those BG

looks nice, but building meta ship is still far away matter for me.

[glossy granite]

At what cube count can you consistently do Cube research without going below 400 risking not getting an upcomming UR? It suggests 400+ but if you were at like 500 cubes or something your prob gonna consistently be in minus

People with like 2K cubes have to never worry lol thats for sure

[harsh gust]

I mean amount of cubes doesn't change your income
if you spend more than you gain - you'll be going down regardless if you have 200 or 2000, it'll just take you longer

500 seems like a reasonable number
as long as you can be sure you have 400 for UR events

[glossy granite]

Ofc, but you know what i mean. At what amount minimum you can always be 400 sure for Ur events

I think with 500 it can blow fast imo

So 800?

[ivory pawn]

I mean, just look at your cubes before taking the research?

[harsh gust]

then you just stop spending them when it reaches 400
again, there's no set number, the question is kinda nonsensical

[glossy granite]

Whatever.....

[ivory pawn]

If you want to cube seriously, don't bother unless you have like 1000+.

[viscid swift]

I would seriously not reccomend heavily cubing until you're above 1k cubes

Like for reference, I was cubing a decent amount from the start of this season and I'm now at 1700 cubes down from 2400

[glossy granite]

Yes, heavy cubing is what i meant

[viscid swift]

And I don't have to pull on reruns

[glossy granite]

Sadly i have too so it makes my savings harder, have to wait next year to be free from that

I can stop if i pull every rerun until i get Amagi CV

[opaque galleon]

Datamine when?

[vale spindle]

once cn datamine is out dm me or ping me with the link

[viscid swift]

Sure

Though I might try stealing your job this time

[glossy granite]

Not my goat samheart564 😭

[stark quiver]

is maint 8 hours

[vale spindle]

yes

[stark quiver]

LMFAO ill have to grind mid class then

[viscid swift]

Relax it'll just be me putting the machine translations in a nicer format

[vale spindle]

the bottleneck is text extraction because google made text extraction worse for some god forsaken reason

[stark quiver]

doesnt cheeky1467 know mandarin

[viscid swift]

I just use a 3rd party image translator that can put the characters from the images into text format

I then run that through Google translate

Because the native translator to the site is ass

[vale spindle]

thats basically what i do

there was one datamine that i did all from my phone back when

[daring oracle]

quick question but which type of torpedo bomber is better for mobbing converging or parallel

[viscid swift]

Parallel

[vale spindle]

parellel but a mix of both isn't awful

[daring oracle]

Yea I gotta change my loadouts a bit

[wet prairie]

is wyvern still bis for mobbing in W12+?

[daring oracle]

what's a good parallel torpedo bomber

[wet prairie]

wyvern, baguette and barracuda are pretty good iirc (cuda for new players)

[tidal meteor]

Bregret, Wyvern, VIT-2, Spearfish if you can afford e

[viscid swift]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide/

[tidal meteor]

Cuda is the budget option, yea, both purple and gold

[daring oracle]

my opsi is cooked chat

Gold cuda it is

[polar lion]

Since when we have mainten on Friday?

[daring oracle]

I can actually go buy a breg actually

[viscid swift]

ask the devs

[daring oracle]

when is 7th anniversary hitting

[wet prairie]

after maint today

[stark quiver]

1 year ago for jp

and a month ago for en

[daring oracle]

yippee yippee I hope rng blesses me i barely have 80 pulls

[stark quiver]

[daring oracle]

I didn't watch the stream but were there any mentions of musashi being added to ur picker thingie

[stark quiver]

she hasnt been archived/no announcement yet

[daring oracle]

[tidal meteor]

Shame, additionally we're also waiting for Vanguard's UR Admiralty Fire Control Table to be added to Core Shop six five months after Pledge of the Radiant Court has been archived

[daring oracle]

oooooh that would be nice to have

[stark quiver]

Shima torp lore

[vale spindle]

btw if u want to join the datamine team i can add you to the group chat

[viscid swift]

sure

[daring oracle]

any way to get core data aside from hard mode?

[viscid swift]

nope

[stark quiver]

handbook

[daring oracle]

pain and agony

already finished the handbook

[stark quiver]

same

wiki works with in browser vpn
im back in action

[gray sphinx]

Pray for x2 or x3 (less likely) core data drops

[tidal meteor]

datamine waiting room

[viscid swift]

just be patient

[little tree]

Don't burn the kitchen down alpha

[faint cloud]

i404 also has crossfleet barrage, with special burn

[viscid swift]

my interest has been piqued

[robust onyx]

Nice

[faint cloud]

hakuhou has 10 planes

[viscid swift]

the fuck

[tidal meteor]

Does the Ryuusei Kai have rockets?

[viscid swift]

that has to be a typo

[tidal meteor]

Additional plane to make up for Amagi CV's eight

[robust onyx]

That's a crazy amount of aircraft

[tidal meteor]

More importantly, does Hakuhou have slow/freeze?

[faint cloud]

2 free, 3 db, 5 tb

[viscid swift]

ew, DB locked

[tidal meteor]

Ehh, not the worst thing if we get better skip bombers in the future

[faint cloud]

no

[robust onyx]

Though it is very likely to replace Hakuryuu

I just hope it has a slow/freeze skill

[tidal meteor]

Hakuryuu's already replaced by Amagi CV in my fleet; question is if she will replace Shinano or Implacable

[viscid swift]

Hakuhou's stats

[stark quiver]

hakuryuu is worse than amagi cv
hakuhou might be better

[robust onyx]

I wanted to see the skills

[ivory pawn]

5 155% TBs, jesus.

[tidal meteor]

Probably essays again

[misty tree]

10 planes?!

[robust onyx]

That's what it says

[rigid onyx]

478 avi wth

[eager mulch]

amagi-chan is better

wait 10 planes

also what happened to the datamine team

[slow fox]

85 evasion???

[stone sluice]

Accuracy

[vale spindle]

i am here

[eager mulch]

there’s no i in team

anyways link doko

[vale spindle]

waiting on nagami to automagically generate

[tidal meteor]

Be patient

[eager mulch]

no

[tidal meteor]

Then cry

[eager mulch]

no

[rigid onyx]

but there is a mine in datamine.

[fleet berry]

110% plane efficiency for flex is a pain though

And 115% for DB.

[slow fox]

56 evasion

[viscid swift]

uhhhh

[rigid onyx]

i think its fairly clear that she'll be heavy focused since her torp bomber slot is crazy

[viscid swift]

this might be just one skill

[ivory pawn]

[clear harbor]

For OpSi, my bossing fleet isn't supposed to have a healer? If so, do I use items to recover HP?

[obsidian ivy]

Rafaello ass Yu-Gi-Oh text skills

[slow fox]

-# Or you can be based and have four mob fleets.

[rigid onyx]

is white wind hakuhou

[eager mulch]

mebot gn

[stark quiver]

i can infer that its a good skil
do you disagree

[clear harbor]

My boss fleet has a Unicorn.

<_<```

[slow fox]

based

[tidal meteor]

Another essay, just as I thought

[faint cloud]

it's two(

[stark quiver]

wait i can just haev chatgpt summarize it for me

[viscid swift]

hmmmm

[stark quiver]

oh wow

[golden moth]

Guys..does the new UR ssv is a backline or for sub slot

[rigid onyx]

lol 7 tbs @155 eff

[robust onyx]

Wtf

[stark quiver]

instant oath
lfg

[quaint tapir]

god damn that tb load

[obsidian ivy]

No freeze huh

[tidal meteor]

Seems like no slow/stop, Shinano finally powercrept after 5 years

[fleet berry]

Basically 155% of 7TB then?

[rigid onyx]

guys i wonder if they want to pair with amagicv 🤔 no way right

[sweet delta]

1340% efficiency
1440% efficiency

[slow fox]

suchimisinformation

[faint cloud]

flex slot is 110%

[robust onyx]

Ryusei first slot is virtually a 175% efficiency

[quaint tapir]

is 404 still stuck with dumpy floatplanes?

[viscid swift]

ahem

[river junco]

Skill increases it by 50%

[fleet berry]

Her 2nd skill gives 50% eff boost for TB

[faint cloud]

oh didnt noticed

[rigid onyx]

$1 on event having a rainbow tb

[fleet berry]

Oh yeah, I forgot the 10% boost from SE gear. 170% then.

[ivory pawn]

Thanks for the free money.

[river junco]

Wouldn’t we have seen it by now if there were? We getting a new plane but no rainbow tb

[slow fox]

-# $18 000 000 on event having URudder

[viscid swift]

Ryuusei Kai is just Ryussei with 10% more damage so I've heard

[stone sluice]

So it’s 7 torp bombers around 150% efficiency on top of a 10% AVI buff, right? If equipping a ryusei

[faint cloud]

quad mag kai treatment

[rigid onyx]

basically rainbow but cheaper gold plate wise

is there a datamine discord or smth

[slow fox]

-# Yeah. Sam's DMs

[tidal meteor]

Rainbow Converging torp plane will be torpedo-mounted Tenrais like in WoWS trvst

[robust onyx]

What was it's crossfleet skill

[vale spindle]

we have a group that thats basically it

[verbal plinth]

thats sam and the 2 people that talk in his head

[slow fox]

-# It's Sam, Heart, and 564

[stark quiver]

you should slide me in

[faint cloud]

why mebot always types with -#

[silk helm]

is there an ehp discord?

[slow fox]

The eHP discord is actually my DMs

[silk helm]

sliding in so fast

[wheat ore]

What does the 20% exp mean?

[ivory pawn]

She's getting 20% bonus exp because Call to Arms event.

[river junco]

Call to arms xp boost for that ship

[wind hazel]

just came back, that's a lot of torpedo

[wheat ore]

Ahh I see ty

[wind hazel]

ryusei kai is just slightly more damage, everything else the same?

even same timing lol

[rigid onyx]

are all her skilled datamined now

[viscid swift]

hmmmm

[rigid onyx]

arent most ss ships glorified stat sticks, so a UR will obv be better

[ivory pawn]

Am I reading that right, bonus HIT buff as a crossfleet + barrage, with no limit to how many battles?

[robust onyx]

Only 2 of 3 skills for Hakuhou have been shown here

[viscid swift]

this is just machine translation btw

[viscid swift]

no all 3 have

[robust onyx]

I only saw 2

[viscid swift]

I accidentally combined 2 into one earlier

[river junco]

No crossfleet barrage

[robust onyx]

That's the one I am curious about

[river junco]

I don’t think the skill exists

[wind hazel]

Hakuhou AVI+1
Oumi FP+2
Asama TRP+1
Taekaze TRP+1
Minase TRP+1

bruh so many trp tech

[quaint tapir]

expected for sakura, still sad to see

[stark quiver]

what a shitty tech lineup
is bb fp finally at 100

[rigid onyx]

is that the l120 tech or aquisition tech

[wind hazel]

120

[quaint tapir]

trying to figure out of i404 actually wants any sort of burin commitment if you're just taking advantage of the crossfleet

[stark quiver]

do bbs have +2 fp at aqquisition

[wind hazel]

almost, i think 97

[stark quiver]

no
shes gonna fall to the bottom of prios, well aside from the other obvious ones

[faint cloud]

all are red and yellow skills except taekaze btw

[uneven knot]

during events are you able to purchase ur bulins from the event shop?

[quaint tapir]

yea the crossfleet seems super doesn't-give-a-shit about i404's level since the burn is a flat dmg and hit bonus is always gonna be 10%

[wind hazel]

no but you get one from milestone

[stark quiver]

where are you even gonna use the crossfleet to begin with

[wind hazel]

you can purchase i404 duplicate from shop, thats about it

[quaint tapir]

if it doesn't require any faff i'm just tossing her into all of my sub fleets in stages where i'm not actually bothering to call in subs lol

[rigid onyx]

crossfleet in sub fleet is good for leveling

[ivory pawn]

More crossfleet for w12 farming.

[stark quiver]

as if w12 isnt already as ez

[rigid onyx]

i always do 13-1 if i can

[stark quiver]

anyways, practically shes pretty low in prio

[viscid swift]

alright

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f1r-Xv3cXuUt9HtWFI3_uoqykyUs6QS-gRR3uFRPaik/edit?usp=sharing

will add the elites if there's enough demand until Sam and Nagami get the proper datamine out

[stark quiver]

ily cheekyman

[viscid swift]

also note this is machine translation

[robust onyx]

Yeah she's a Shinano replacement

[faint cloud]

just noticed hakuhou didn't have cross fleet as a banner ur

[wind hazel]

fr?

[rigid onyx]

what is heavy duty equipment

[wind hazel]

wtf is this margin

[viscid swift]

I don't get payed enough to care that much about formating

[rigid onyx]

forced by oumi s2

[wind hazel]

free labor moment

[stone sluice]

You get paid

[dusk maple]

so halford plane for i404? or suisei?

[rigid onyx]

what does this mean

[faint cloud]

sakura empire

[rigid onyx]

god damn thats a lot of self buffs

[robust onyx]

She doesn't have a faction preference so best plane possible

[rigid onyx]

if there's a meta boss where you can forgo implac somehow amagicv/hakuhou/shinano will have insanio damage

probaby the seaplane with the most per salvo damage because of her s1

[wind hazel]

my MTL says it's sakura empire plane

[grizzled sundial]

How practical is using submarine for daily content ?

[stark quiver]

impractical

[slow fox]

-# New HMS carrier? Impractical?

[rigid onyx]

so whats the best sub fleet probably gonna be? flasher/404/pick 1 of (556 meta, ldv, magg, archerfish)?

[slow fox]

556 meta I-404 and I-13

[stark quiver]

seeing as no one even has the new sub, we dont have an answer for that

[rigid onyx]

probably

you can speculate based off of datamine

[stark quiver]

also one of her skills kinda banks on the fight having the air suprememacy mechanic

[grizzled sundial]

So even more situational....

[rigid onyx]

?

[slow fox]

W14 bless

-# all BB clear

[rigid onyx]

if we can trust the machine translation it says not being at disadvantage

[slow fox]

[stark quiver]

im aware, i meant the entire air X mechanic

[rigid onyx]

id be suprised if they blanked the skill for opsi

[grizzled sundial]

So uh...final verdict for the UR sub ? Should i pour resources to upgrade her :/

[wind hazel]

no

[stark quiver]

do you have excess resources

[wind hazel]

unless you dont have any other UR to upgrade anymore

[grizzled sundial]

Nope , not the rainbow bulin

i can at best fully upgrade Haku

[wind hazel]

then you have your answer

i mean cmon, a CV vs a sub

[grizzled sundial]

I guess it is too late to change how sub work , especially with hybrib like this one ....

[wheat ore]

hi, i have a question. I'm a returning player who's around world 12. I have 2 fleet kinda built up, the gear isn't the best yet but the ships are max level. Would it be good to start swapping to other ships while I continue the campaign?

[wind hazel]

to grind exp yes, to push campaign no

use your strongest ships to push campaign

[wheat ore]

wait when should i be grinding exp?

as in you mean clearing the lower worlds?

[wind hazel]

w12 is the perfect place to grind exp

[zenith heron]

50% Weapon Efficiency? Seems nice on Hakuhou or is it yet to be proved?

[fleet berry]

For those who are gear focussing on PR8... How many Meck's gun BP that you already have? I thought that mine is average on ||35/50|| , but I heard others who are on ||high 40s|| and/or ||50+ already||. Wondering whether Manjuu changes the drop rate on later season and I should swap to running 4h G/D instead of 1h Q, since I feel a bit more luckier on La9 when that's my priority.

[viscid swift]

beth has like 65 or something right now

[wind hazel]

im at 39 Q have been scamming me

[fleet berry]

It does feel like that. I heard a similar anecdote for La9, where those who run mostly short Q being a bit unlucky compared to those who run 4h G/D. But I'm wondering whether that's just RNG being RNG, hence why I'm doing a lot of 1h Q for PR8.

[wheat ore]

okay ty

[wind hazel]

just rng. i got like at leaast 1/4 of my first la9 from face research

[dusk maple]

looks like average luck, i'm at 30

[verbal plinth]

im mostly doing faces and at like 28

[molten zinc]

48 and has stucked at 48 for a whole week now

[fleet berry]

Yeah, this is why I'm wondering. A friend of mine also more face focussing and the difference between him and mine is not staggering.

[viscid swift]

yep Ryussei Kai is Ryussei with about 10% more damage

307 damage per torp vs 331 at +13

[molten zinc]

more dmg than VIT2 too iirc

[verbal plinth]

can only get 1 right?

[viscid swift]

yes

[stone sluice]

I’m at 47.
Game sometimes throws you like 8 prints in 2 days so luck may hit you tomorrow, who knows

[fleet berry]

Fully gear focus? Eg Q1h, Q2h too.

[stone sluice]

Sometimes gear focus, sometimes face

[soft raft]

What's the rundown on the new URs so far?

[wind hazel]

heavy monster

sub idk idc about sub

[verbal plinth]

need more crossfleets trying to drag blue ships in w12

[whole crypt]

60 now but I deviated after first copy

[rapid shard]

Do you still build UR pity on the permanent available selector when pulling on a UR Banner?

Also sitting on 341 cubes and 131k coins. Should that be enough to get haku and at least one of each rate up? Assuming RNG doesn't bend me over and violate me

[verbal plinth]

should

you get more cubes the weeks it runs coins be the hard part

[rapid shard]

Been running 13-4 to build coins and when event drops im praying its better rewards thats last one was

[civic prairie]

Does hakuhou needs other ijn backline ?

[rapid shard]

Oil/coin ratio that is

[wispy cosmos]

do we know the number of torp mounts for i404 1st slot

[slow fox]

Shiratsuyu retro

[kind needle]

Is 3 Black Shells and 3 white shells enough?

[reef flume]

Hakuhou good or bad?

[kind needle]

No idea yet

[civic prairie]

Good maybe,with 10 total plane

[kind needle]

Or should I get more white shells? (Had a bunch of FCRs)

[wheat ore]

is there news on when the next ur event is going to be?

[wind hazel]

you wont need more than 3 unless you're lazy with gear swapping

[wind hazel]

in 1hr 23mins

[soft raft]

Besides the one coming out literally a few hours later? No

[kind needle]

How about 2 tenrais and wyverns, are they enough too?

[wheat ore]

oh really?

[wind hazel]

2-3 good enough

[wheat ore]

i didn't know about about that lmfao, shouldn't the game be on maintenance in that case?

[soft raft]

It will be soon

[kind needle]

There is a maintenance later

[soft raft]

In like a hour and a half

[wheat ore]

ahh i see ty

[wind hazel]

this is the time for maintenance...

[wheat ore]

is the new ur a new ship? if so do we know if it's gonna be good?

[wind hazel]

what are you even asking...

new UR... new ship? duh?

[rigid onyx]

on paper she seems super good vs heavy mid vs everythign else (compared to other UR cvs)

but paper calcs are only 10% of the story (although a bit more accurate for aimed tb reliant ships)

[wheat ore]

i meant like is this a new a ship, cuz i wasn't sure idk if it's a rerun

[rigid onyx]

all new gacha urs are good though

[wind hazel]

brother, can a NEW UR be an old ship?

[wheat ore]

ah i see

[wind hazel]

if it's a rerun it won't be a new UR

[wheat ore]

idk if it's a NEW UR lmfao

[strong tartan]

amagi cv

[kind needle]

How many RLD tech bonus for BB and CV are considered good enough?

[wind hazel]

max

[cobalt rapids]

42 and 18

[kind needle]

I can't 🥀

[vale spindle]

shes 2 / 2 / 3 on slots

[wind hazel]

work on it

[reef flume]

7 torpedo bombers

Imo, she might be better than Amagi in vs Heavy armor

[faint cloud]

to be determined🔮
if there's only herself then she triggers the buff and barrage only once in the first and second strike
but it seems she's strong enough even without 2nd skill, idk🔮

[remote yarrow]

-# Did Nagami die

[vale spindle]

hes dead unfortunately

[remote yarrow]

Too soon

[tidal meteor]

[kind needle]

What armor is soryuu meta again

Was it heavy or med

[tidal meteor]

Med

Only BBs and some CVs like Taihou have heavy

[whole crypt]

are we expecting hakuhou to save the CV anti-heavy meta

[kind needle]

This comp good for soryuu meta or no?

[stark quiver]

Assuming correct gearing yes

[whole crypt]

could use more levels, can't say more without seeing gear

[kind needle]

Main fleet gears, idk if they are well geared

[whole crypt]

alsace probably wants a flandre gun with radar

[kind needle]

I do have an another champy gun

Just like this?

[whole crypt]

Souryuu's eva isn't that high off the top of my head but you probably want to use swords anyway

should be good I don't remember the exact timing, also levels

besides that it's probably just vanguard durability

if you have Trafalgar in a good state I might use her over Helena

[proud geyser]

PSA: 1 hour to maintenance

[kind needle]

Here the vang gear, (accidentally +11'ed the ply gun)

[wispy cosmos]

that doesnt look like hornet to me

[proud geyser]

[whole crypt]

+13 q152 on Plymouth is fine just not very high priority

replace loader on Z52 with durability especially since she's the underleveled one

[frank phoenix]

New UR out yet or how long until ?

[sweet delta]

expected in 9 hours

[frank phoenix]

Ty

[cobalt gate]

so ijn sub or rainbow sub with lenardo and friends

[wispy cosmos]

mixed

[noble pawn]

what's good augs for Enterprise?

[cobalt gate]

bow for heavy plane map other wise staff

[noble pawn]

My Enterprise is reserved for boss fights (usually med to heavy)
Bow it is then

[cobalt gate]

wow new ship really wants torpedo

[civic prairie]

For bp catchup in research,is it depends on me to choose myself or is it have some ships to prioritize first?

[noble pawn]

Usually you want to grind BP from catchup starting from Season 4

[whole crypt]

bow AA isn't going to save you for most part if in doubt just make sceptre

[cobalt gate]

oh wow just realized the sub not only gave 10% hit boost but also does an attack for cross fleet so broken

[whole crypt]

game is already broken another sub isn't really changing anything

[wispy cosmos]

things that surface fleet enjoyers say

[civic prairie]

Ah okay,i will start agir catchup

[eternal basalt]

Soooo... worth the UR slot?

[vale spindle]

it doesn't thats only when you call it

[cobalt gate]

oh

[wispy cosmos]

without accounting for her seaplanes she certainly deals more damage than any other sub

[vale spindle]

never mind translation is weird

[cobalt gate]

wait is it call? reading the skillit seems to connect with the 10% hit boost as cross fleet

[vale spindle]

just wait until game is out
based on the wording its probably crossfleet thoguh

[cobalt gate]

wow IJN probably the only one worth running full faction team

[boreal wagon]

its a cross fleet

[eternal basalt]

Dual crossfleet?

[cobalt gate]

What you mean dual?

[eternal basalt]

Affect both fleets

[cobalt gate]

Should be

[wispy cosmos]

r u talking out of your ass

[vale spindle]

yes it does

it still activates even if you call the SS fleet into the same battle

[boreal wagon]

idk about that but it probably does

[cobalt gate]

Rainbow has been good after lion except Essex

[eternal basalt]

Lion was literally the previous UR

[vale spindle]

whats the fleet tech stats for eve1 i cba to translate again

[cobalt gate]

Sorry mean lion and this batch

Essex only use for me sadly is as support fleet

[boreal wagon]

i was just writting it down smh

[split gazelle]

probably been asked many times already but how's hakuhou?

[civic oak]

Not seen much but torpedo bomber goddess, from what little I know.

[sweet delta]

Bisz pulling tag was fixed sasuga rainbow ship

[vale spindle]

A Dance for Amahara Above

Links

• Datamine (9/12): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aAzxzW0qO3q-oeiJdPa1_AXttxVgxgfuH9BLD8oBDeo/edit?gid=1724462131#gid=1724462131
  • contains ships, skills, equipment etc.
  • contains barrage information for all new ships!
  • contains shop priority!

FAQ:

How to toggle stage difficulty?

#event-faq or #al-general message

SSR Ship Invitation? Wishing Well?

Not available this event.

How do I get I-404?

• Free UR Ship Rewards
  • I-404 (copy 1) - obtainable for free during the event!
  • Check event missions, shop, and rewards for details.

Oil Cap?

Oil Cap is on all D stages, and is 35 mob, 47 boss, 16 sub for D3. Do /oilcap in #bot-spam for more information.

Best Stages to Farm?

D3 > D1 > C2 > B3 > highest stage.

• Make sure to do the SP stage once a day!
• You can toggle between stages in the bottom left corner of the popup when you select a stage.

Should I pull for these ships?

Reasons you should pull for the ships, in no particular order:

• Waifu
• Collection
• Better than majority of permanent options at their hull type (only for gold/rainbow ships, check datamine for ship information).
• It's a UR event, what more do I need to say!

more information coming soon tm

[reef flume]

Ryuusei Kai good or bad?

[vale spindle]

<@&472236072743600148> pin plz

[civic oak]

Well, the B7A Ryuusei is a solid plane, so....

[tidal meteor]

7.82% better

5.19% better than the VIT-2 Mode change, and faster too

[cobalt rapids]

the efficiency is on the 1st slot not on slot 2

[reef flume]

Peak

[whole crypt]

make IJN great again

[vale spindle]

fixed

[whole crypt]

so ryuuseikai is ryuusei but more damage?

[eternal moth]

So new Haku looks to be good against heavy and that's about it?

[tidal meteor]

Yes

[reef flume]

That's what IJN CVs are good for. Gotta see if her damage is better than Amagi

[eternal basalt]

And one copy till 2 years

[atomic abyss]

It's very unlikely she tops amagi in a solo context

With amagi buff on the other hand...

[eternal moth]

It wouldn't be solo, it would be in a 3 ship IJN fleet

[atomic abyss]

Exactly

[tidal meteor]

Not in the map drop? Seems like they're never making another farmable event gear like the HVARcat

[whole crypt]

Shinano/Amagi/Hakuhou? assuming we don't need stop

[atomic abyss]

Probably yes

[eternal moth]

Hakuryu in shambles

[fleet berry]

Then Hakuhou/Amagi/Implac if we need stop?

[reef flume]

The not having a slow tho means either you drop Implacable or Shinano or not use her at all

[atomic abyss]

Why would you keep shinano

[whole crypt]

the phoenix better than the dragon

[civic prairie]

Mob or bossing for hakuhou?

[atomic abyss]

If you're running implacable you would absolutely drop nano first

[eternal moth]

More buffs

[atomic abyss]

Any
Cos UR

[reef flume]

I loose CVs buffs tho

[atomic abyss]

So?

Amagi's buff is even better lol

[civic prairie]

My first limited ur btw

[atomic abyss]

You would never drop amagi over shinano in an IJN CV comp

[whole crypt]

well it goes back to comparing numbers with meck team

[reef flume]

Really? Then why not dropping Shinano last year?

[atomic abyss]

Because hakuryuu was worse

[vale spindle]

i fixed a translation issue with hakuhou skill 2

[atomic abyss]

Hakuryuu only has 5 TBs
Shinano has 6 TBs
Amagi actively buffed Shinano more

[reef flume]

Hmm... so this mean Shinano powercreep?

[atomic abyss]

I would be extremely surprised if hakuhou didn't powercreep shinano in an IJN comp

[faint cloud]

but it is wrong

[whole crypt]

Hakuryuu not only has fewer TBs off the top of my head slot effs also not great

[vale spindle]

how is it wrong now

[eternal moth]

She hasn't been the strongest in quite a while, but her buffs kept her going

[reef flume]

Alr alr. If she powercrept her, took devs a while

[vale spindle]

i mentioned that its a cyclical trigger now instead of all 3 at once

[reef flume]

I never argued Shinano was the strongest

[atomic abyss]

The thing is always

Amagi not only buffs CVs

[faint cloud]

duplicated with skill 3

[atomic abyss]

She buffs all IJN torps

[cobalt rapids]

is it rly a 2025 comp if it doesnt have lion

[atomic abyss]

That includes your vanguard like Unzen

[eternal moth]

Read them again

[atomic abyss]

And oh how convenient

We have an IJN UR Sub now too

[wind oxide]

How's hakuho guys

[reef flume]

Very very interesting

[vale spindle]

ty fixed now

[whole crypt]

is it really a 2025 comp if we don't just go BB with Lion and Meck

[eternal moth]

These skills are not the same

[atomic abyss]

I don't think you're going to be using Meck in 2025 comps realistically

[faint cloud]

butthe cn text doesnt have this part in skill2

[atomic abyss]

Probably 2026 comps

[whole crypt]

more importantly Meck is on IJN's home turf for heavy

[exotic wren]

Did the prediction of 404 being a buffer come true or smth

[reef flume]

Does she really compares individually to them against heavy?

[whole crypt]

you can finish Meck this year though

[atomic abyss]

How many people will tho

[whole crypt]

does that matter?

[eternal basalt]

Everyone here

[atomic abyss]

In any case

[reef flume]

Anyway I'm 11 pieces away from getting my first Meck gun

[atomic abyss]

At this moment
No one has a d30 meck

[meager tiger]

i alr have dev30 mecklenberg???

[atomic abyss]

The fuck

[cobalt rapids]

ijn was alr powercrep on heavy by russions and lion
i rly doubt hakuhou brings a full ijn revival even with no stop needed
its probably gonna be lion amagi hakuhou disregarding meck

[meager tiger]

in my dreams

[atomic abyss]

Oh fuck off

Go back to gen if you want to shit post

[split gazelle]

arent there people with dev30 meck in #trophy-room

[meager tiger]

oh this gph mb

[wind oxide]

Guys...what's the review on hakuho?

[eternal basalt]

Apparently so, I was told yesterday

[atomic abyss]

The review is
Wait till we actually have her 10/10/10

[whole crypt]

anyway, it's possible to have Meck done around now, it's just most people who can push for it would also push meck gun first

[vale spindle]

im going to go sleep if anything happens ping thorin bye

[torn obsidian]

I do since the 6th

[reef flume]

@atomic abyss btw is it really worth it to use BBs in 2025 even with the existence of Mecklenburg? Cuz Hakuhou's existence discouraged me to do that

[wind oxide]

Right so just another heavy ijn UR typical

[vale spindle]

i like bbs because i don't have to think about gearing

[reef flume]

On heavy armor

[atomic abyss]

Lion has been a

[whole crypt]

Lion is totally the ceiling now though

[atomic abyss]

Quite an impact on the CV meta

If Meck reaches the level of Lion

The discussion needs to be had

[whole crypt]

we expect Meck to exceed Lion for heavy

[reef flume]

Best BBs for heavy armor

[atomic abyss]

It's not even about that

Its about the BBs are matching or even exceeding the CVs

That's the discussion

[eternal basalt]

Back to 2020, eh?

[reef flume]

Mine concern is heavy, cuz light-med BBs might be better

[whole crypt]

adding the fact the third BB will likely be Bis who'll buff Meck

[wind oxide]

Torp bomber +50 eff is kinda great no

[atomic abyss]

Anyways until we have people who are actively doing fair testing with meck

I don't think we can have a conclusive discussion anyways

It'll all just be speculation

The answer for most people to be "use the best of what you have"

[whole crypt]

before putting Hakuhou into the picture NPLion should already outperform IJN so it's more of how much headroom Hakuhou gives

[atomic abyss]

In any case

There's a chance that people with hakuhou may not have soyuz anyways

[exotic wren]

das me

[reef flume]

Me2

[exotic wren]

no mamagi as well, so eh, also ender mooming kinda late no?

[whole crypt]

there's a chance those people will also not have Amagi, though raising Nakhimov takes time and you can placehold with Shinano as a newer player

[reef flume]

Luckily I got my lvl 125 mlb Amagi CV

[atomic abyss]

I haven't changed my pfp since April

[verbal plinth]

what is the best vg for ijn heavy fleet

kaza/sirius/??

[atomic abyss]

Kazagumo is a shoe in

[whole crypt]

tank

[exotic wren]

A tank, you need a tank

[atomic abyss]

Sirius is largely dependent on the enemy

If it's full IJN heavy (no impla) you will really want Eldridge

[whole crypt]

I would probably take Unzen over Sirius

[atomic abyss]

With Amagi, definitely would take Unzen yes

[whole crypt]

if you have her

[exotic wren]

Wait, am I misunderstanding smth or do hakuhou need mamagi

[whole crypt]

just IJN torp buffs

[atomic abyss]

Need no
Really want? Probably yes

[whole crypt]

not dissimilar to how Shinano held on with her IJN CV buff

[exotic wren]

And mamagi will still prolly be next year right fuc

[reef flume]

Yeh

[atomic abyss]

I mean Amagi being an Unzen buffer also helps her a lot

[hollow gust]

More then enough people do , trophy room has people posting

[atomic abyss]

I stand corrected on that then
I underestimate how many people cube

[potent tinsel]

Are unzen/soyuz/guam reruns all expected next year?

[atomic abyss]

Unzen should be in like 1-2 months lol

Guam rerun should be in Jan, Soyuz rerun should be in March

At least if no major changes to the usual event timeline

[exotic wren]

Mamagi after that right?

[whole crypt]

like I said most people who can rush Meck probably chose not to but it's entirely possible

[atomic abyss]

Mamagi should be 1 year from now lol

[noble pawn]

my Ayanami retrofit is finally usable

[reef flume]

Tbh with all these powerhouses they built since last year (Amagi, Lion, Mecklenburg and now possibly Hakuhou), to powercreep them, they'll make insane stuff

[atomic abyss]

1 year after Unzen rerun

Alsace would rerun first after Soyuz

[exotic wren]

they haven't changed URs yet thankfully, only majors

[faint cloud]

unzen is this year

[whole crypt]

how insane stuff gets isn't very relevant considering the current levels of overkill

[strong tartan]

what was the gimmick with rodney metas fight again? is that the fight where u had to stagger

[zenith heron]

So NP actually beats IJN in Heavy with Lion?

If only I had Nyakhimov dev 30

[atomic abyss]

Yes 1.5s staggers minimum

Unzen the mvp

[cobalt rapids]

yes soyuz nahk lion beats old ijn in heavy in 80s battle ( showdowns )

[little python]

when does maint end?

[wispy cosmos]

either use the event in this server or check ectl's timer
https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home

[spark patio]

is it true that you can find more cubes in JP version than EN one?

i found this information on fb

[cobalt rapids]

no

[atomic abyss]

Completely false

[spark patio]

oh thanks

[sweet delta]

you find more build tickets

[cosmic osprey]

Is the new UR good

[blissful hamlet]

New plane any good?

[wind hazel]

yes

[rigid onyx]

new skins good

[spark patio]

building ship with out cubes and coins ?

[wind hazel]

yes, during UR reruns

[spark patio]

do we have it in EN version?

[wind hazel]

yes, we just get 1 less ticket

[vocal niche]

Does global have website shop to buy gems in-game like jp ?

[cobalt rapids]

yes

unless u mean on their official website then i dont think so

[spark patio]

can you give me the link?

[wind hazel]

https://yo-topup.com/

[vocal niche]

for offial jp site?
https://payment.yostar.co.jp/index

[cobalt rapids]

[vocal niche]

saw it from official jp twitter

[atomic abyss]

This is official for global

[spark patio]

It doesn’t support my country

[left cedar]

yo, 10 fucking planes, for real ??

its ironical when its IJN or CN Ships devs gona wild and buff them to infinity and beyond

[atomic abyss]

No crossfleet lmao

Somehow the sub is the one with 2 cross

[verbal plinth]

not worse than lion and its not ijn

[atomic abyss]

The sub cross is genuinely quite amazing

[left cedar]

yo, dmg bonus from SSV is perma or 10s ?

[sweet delta]

Not so broken, DPS average against all three armors

[verbal plinth]

good sub if you dont have 30 dev nakh

thats me -_-

[molten zinc]

So on paper anything change with the current anti-heavy meta?

[fair mountain]

For I404s second skill, is it basically always active, if one has her in the sub fleet? Does the skill stop if she is called into battle?

[boreal wagon]

while the burn lasts

[reef flume]

On heavy she's busted asf, js watched your review and now I am more discouraged to use BB against heavy armor ever again🥲
(Maybe a hybrid comp Meck-Haku-Amagi might work in future)

[split gazelle]

I have 8 bulins available, thoughts? (Imagine I have hakuhou available as well)

[sweet delta]

Hakuhou trafalgar

No heavy boss to justify rushing shinano

[atomic abyss]

impla?

[split gazelle]

Gotcha thanks , also I should have enough bulins again by the time Unzen comes around. Should I do Unzen after those 2 or is there someone else with higher prio? (I haven't progressed past ch12 yet cause leveling and stuff)

[wet prairie]

is the new tb UR or sr?

[wind hazel]

sr

[wet prairie]

damn damage looks good

looks like a ryuusei but better (who woulda guessed)

[muted wind]

yeah, seems to be exactly the same as a ryuusei, but it deals ~10% more damage

[shell willow]

is there 1 copy of the new plane in event shop and thats it?

[wet prairie]

farmable maybe?

[rapid grail]

is there a topup site for jp? just asking

[wet prairie]

hakuhou kinda crakced jesus

[verbal plinth]

what gold gear drops from d3

[wet prairie]

5x tb + multi

[wind hazel]

map drops are other gear so likely only 1 from shop

[wind hazel]

twin 100

[rapid shard]

Damn I was hoping we could 2 maybe 3 of them this event

[late flame]

gotta be interesting to see whether if wolfpack and fish-pack would be affected by i404

[boreal oriole]

Is it me or Hakuho stats seems nerfed? (Just looking at the datamine earlier and now)

[umbral wadi]

When is the maintenance done???

[verbal plinth]

about 5 hrs

[umbral wadi]

Man I’ll be asleep by then..

[late flame]

-# sleep now

[undone plover]

Tried once and it was absolute ass
Couldnt find a top up site
And official needs JP payment method or sth
But they said they are changing the yostar shop to add new top up method directly there
Maybe they add sth for JP as well?

[ember roost]

How many hours left for maintenance?

[wind hazel]

<t:1757689200:f>

[ember roost]

So 4 hours and 40 mins

Is it a new banner?

[late flame]

#game-news

[ember roost]

Thank you

[blissful hamlet]

Hakuo any good?

[whole crypt]

hakuhou and probably yes

[sharp comet]

my gph goat Mori

[dusty pier]

helena or the meta alt?

[split gazelle]

if you're asking which one is better it's the normal Helena

[sharp comet]

do we know all the ships included in this? https://x.com/azurlane_staff/status/1966403909523558819?t=J5ijzCOq2xv8XiI_pVZdtA&s=19

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[onyx flame]

The livestream did show the whole list iirc but it only applies to jp

[whole crypt]

do you play on JP, if not it's irrelevant

also it's actually listed there but moonrunes

[onyx flame]

Found it

[sharp comet]

thanks

[wet prairie]

is i404 doa?

[whole crypt]

is there some reason you're expecting her to be DOA

because if not then it's "new rainbow wait for testing"

[noble pawn]

Damn it's only JP

[forest palm]

how did I404 look on the datamine is my question

[ivory pawn]

I mean, sub.
Cool crossfleet tho.

[left cedar]

I404 probally is the friendly UR till now, a begginer can have a use of it with 0 LB, cuz u wanna her cross fleet, not using her

and even to us, dinos, we have plenty use of her cuz cross fleet ... so its one of the best UR buffers till now on my opinion

[ivory pawn]

+HIT fleet buff and some damage, and you don’t even need to use a spot in either of your actual fleets.

[forest palm]

well that certainly doesn't speak to her usability, but cool

[left cedar]

she have one aside being crossfleet buffer ?

[cyan bloom]

Should I buy fortune? I can't clear the highest stage of submarine weekly

[left cedar]

cuz i dint see anything really special aside of it ... just it will need adaptation, cuz need to be a non factional SSs fleet if u plan to use SSs

[ivory pawn]

Eh, just farm the 65+ raid for a month and see what October’s event is.

[cyan bloom]

ok, ty

[wispy cosmos]

why wouldnt u use her

[left cedar]

cuz till W14 u dont have many reasons or need for a SSs ... aside of it, to us Dinos, only in new Ws or in Op.Si cuz free cost, u wanna use SSs ...

and why in hell a begginer it will use UR Bullins for a SSs aside other URs ?

[wind hazel]

truuuuuue

[crimson glacier]

hows the new stuff

[wispy cosmos]

i404's not worth the cost to a beginner sure, but like
i honestly dont understand why everyone here says to ignore subs until 14/15 when theyre literally just free damage
the oil cost is negligible, chuck them in to gain exp and make your life a little bit easier

[left cedar]

CV one 10 planes, focused in heavym avg in general
gud new plane
SSV is a crossfleet buffer, and seens like her only strong side of it, and need a non faction fleet to have a plenty use in campaign, cuz isnt KMS or US ...

[fiery scroll]

Hi guys how manyhour left till maintenance finish

[wispy cosmos]

she's got the highest torp output of any sub in the game, wdym

[wind hazel]

i disagree on the oil cost is negligible

[left cedar]

why would u use ur resourcers in SSs aside focusing into surface fleets ? why split ur resources into something with quite limited uses and high costs in campaign cuz u need to keep them moving, take care of using them, cuz if they got killed even less range and more oil consume cuz more movments, and they have limited numbers of use, wut makes u need to think alot b4 using them

if SSs are like in Op.Si that became to be alot more friendly to all around

limited uses, but unlimited range ...

[wind hazel]

it's honestly more of a you can finish up to w13 without using sub, so why bother spending extra oil at all

[wispy cosmos]

why would you spend resources on subs instead of surface fleets
you dont, you leave them to last but you may as well use them anyway in the meantime because again, free damage
complicated to use
senpai you have to manually move fleets when clearing anyway

[late flame]

-# w16 submarine support fleet

[left cedar]

isnt complicated, is cost of each movment and cost to call them in combat

SSs without gud gear and per cost they add, isnt much a thing for me, imagine use around 20-40 oil extra per combat to have wut, 30ish seconds of mid to low dmg ...

cuz pretty much all SSs are the same build, Bidder or G7e, both of them can be made into Gearlab, wut make a bit easier, but need to play SSs weakly, wut needs gud SSs or high investment into core to get a Sail Ship and get they gears ...

twin 100 or other fast but goldish gun to more range of SSs

Snorkel and hull or Hull and Oxytrp or maybe a double oxy ... yeah, quite easier ... if isnt by the everything u have to buy b4 it

till u reach at this stage of investment u need to use non optimal gears wut makes ur dmg variations way to high, and make the cost of using them a nightmare, specially if u are pushing campaign

also prettymuch all they TRPs basically depends on weeklys SSs

for me, a dino, with tons of materials, resources, all campaign maps cleared, Op.Si can be done easy asf, look into them, is easy i can pretty much gear all them with toppest gears in seconds ... but i have wut, 6y of plenty farm ...
imagine a casual player, or a begginer or a mid game player, struggling to gear they surface fleet, having headaches to progress into game in all fronts, enhancing PRs, gearing surface fleets, grinding coins, struggling with oil, lacking of plates and bullins ... and now giving them a burden of gear SSs as well ... isnt a easy task

[wispy cosmos]

till u reach at this stage of investment u need to use non optimal gears wut makes ur dmg variations way to high, and make the cost of using them a nightmare, specially if u are pushing campaign

but it doesnt matter? again the only thing subs are competing for is purins. give them whatever gear you have, ignore lbing them until you have your other opsi fleets sorted, let them help you out that little bit in clearing or oil capped farming where youre not even going to bother moving them

[dawn crescent]

The only thing I don't struggle with as a returning player (on a new acount) is Oil

[left cedar]

it does matter, and matter alot ... as i comment above, its alot to invest, and just pushing a mid to non dmg SSs into battle is a cost u can done without, specially in low Ws, in Op.Si ok, u are lvling them freely ... that is a valid option

[forest palm]

purins, core data, gear lab mats, coins, cog chips...what else

also kind of feels like it takes a year to get a full set of Bidders, less so with G7Es

[left cedar]

if u are pushing hard enough, u will lack of oil quite fast

[wispy cosmos]

which is why you ignore the first 2, +13 doesnt even come into it, oil and coin and purple plates are the only relevant costs here

[dawn crescent]

I have to admit to be very casual in my aproach. mainly doing daily challenges and commisions. But I que up a few sorties a day, mailny to get 2 Mil exp for Roon.

[forest palm]

what do you mean? gold plates isn't in the equation here, you're just diverting

[wispy cosmos]

you are overvaluing the oil and underestimating the damage a fleet of random subs with just random non homing torps and the transitional oxytorps will do

[dawn crescent]

I also used CAs and CLs a lot, but it feels like they use less oil then they used to 🤷‍♂️

[left cedar]

pretty sure i'm not ... nowadays i'm quite more casual than i'm 3y ago, but even nowadays with idk, 4h ish of farming, my oil is drained to null ...

imagine pushing content, farming events ... ur oil is never enough

[cobalt rapids]

when pushing content u shouldnt worry about oil costs
when farming and lvling its oilcapped so oilcost doesnt matter

[dawn crescent]

Is the oil cap "new" (introduced in the last three years)?

[wispy cosmos]

my bad, i en'd and thought you were talking about gold plates instead of gear lab mats
the only torp that matters for gear lab is bidders and that cost is whatever

[cobalt rapids]

idk when it was introduced because im new player
but its been here for the past 3 years

[left cedar]

pretty much all my fleets are all Cruisers, CBs, CAs and CLs, i have wut, 3 DDs in my fleets, Z52 cuz buffing FdG, Z11 cuz she is a waifu, and Z21, cuz she is gray and KMS for low cost fleets

[left cedar]

one aproch to have a better gears for SSs faster is fabricating a G7e ... cuz if u gone for full bidders only, it will take a lot of time

[dawn crescent]

I use CAs, CLs for big number, and BBs and BCs for barrage skills (preferably guaranteed ones)

[pearl fossil]

Even if you worry about and correctly account for oil costs you will eventually run out of it, specially if you want to play a lot. Even though it is expected from a gacha game and AL being relatively less restrictive on the energy or oil equivalent in other games

[dawn crescent]

I mainly have time to play actively on weekends

[split gazelle]

Full set of bidders takes about half a year to 1 year. I'm on like 4/6 bidders I think and at 7 months playing. and I started quite late to sub dailies.

[dawn crescent]

So no oil problems for me

[forest palm]

seriously though by the time you're ready to invest into subs proper you're already done with world 13

[south sequoia]

am I reading this correctly

hakuhou has

TEN?

planes

[left cedar]

thats is my original statement

[south sequoia]

wtf

[dawn crescent]

BTW, how much should I focus on getting through the campaing?

[left cedar]

its a IJN, the favorite son ... wut did u expect, a whatever UR ?

[ivory pawn]

Don’t be fooled by the low efficiency on her Flex slot either. They snuck it into one of her skills instead.

[left cedar]

till W12, faster as u could done

but this dosnt mean to u ignore events, when they land, focus on farming in them, go for 55k or closer as u can do, go for oil capped ones faster as u can]

[cobalt rapids]

favorite child but they were out of meta and even before their niche was heavy meanwhile lion is everywhere

[south sequoia]

what are yalls thoughts on haku?

[dawn crescent]

Lion?

[left cedar]

my thougs are all about I404 uses ... the CV one is okaish, but one in a bunch

[cobalt rapids]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Lion

[south sequoia]

I cant really find myself to care about i404

submarine moment

[left cedar]

2 crossfleet for all ships
HIT and DMG ... yeah, i cant care more

[south sequoia]

when you cant even use them in meta fights too..

looks nice for campaigning however

[left cedar]

meta isnt the only content in game, so yeah
still HIT and DMG being campaign and Harbiters, if u are struggling with Strongholds a option

for a begginers, a dream, free dmg buffer without any LB, u dont have to use it, and even to use one of ur spots in fleets to get that ... just lvl her skill

[south sequoia]

that is one of the best features i like about her

[forest palm]

well if anything it debunks the notion that new URs are specifically made for new meta fights

[south sequoia]

oh wow a ryuusei kai?

[left cedar]

for me a dream as well, a FdG buffer that i dont have to fight in my fleets for it

one more TB convergent, but a gud plane, but limited ...

[south sequoia]

no print drops from d3?

[molten zinc]

d3 give the gold twin 100mm

[south sequoia]

🙁

man

thats fine

[molten zinc]

on the bright side I don't have to spend 100k oil to grind for it like HVAR

[left cedar]

just, git gud and get 2 per run

[forest palm]

how fast is the Ryuusei Kai btw