gameplay-help

[soft raft]

Hmmm
It's been ages since I've done my intial OpSi so i cant remember of fhte top of my head but you might need to wait until you unlock the rest of the OpSi fleet slots

[fast steppe]

got a plygun and not sure who to put it on - plymouth isn't d30 yet

[atomic abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-gif-25770903

[atomic abyss]

your best DPS CL i guess

[soft raft]

Plymouth > Other DPS CLs > BB Secondary gun

[crisp geode]

oh nice, ty ty ty

[left cedar]

depending on ur CLs, if u dont have a big CL DMG oriented, maybe ur Best BB for FP Buff

[atomic abyss]

DPS CLs that are not sandy/harbin since they use DD guns

[fast steppe]

don't really have any, guess i'll just chuck it on a bb for now

[left cedar]

so pretty much the French CL one in PR6 or 7 idk and that is it

[atomic abyss]

bayard
mainz is fine too
as is chapayev

[fast steppe]

no bayard mainz or chappy i think

[left cedar]

idk how much time i dont look at game details, but pretty sure pratically Chappy or Mainz have a use, they are thing like Roon, okaish to be used, but so many better options and time gate to use them is so short and when u have this time gate ur resourcers it will be so restricted where be invested than u will never see them in action

[atomic abyss]

even neptune

[left cedar]

yeah, fit them in ur BBs and profit from FP bonus

[fast steppe]

aight

[vital meadow]

can any1 gimme a one shot comp for kawakaze meta?

[atomic abyss]

#gameplay-help message

[boreal temple]

circular defense on w15 yea?

[cobalt rapids]

circular on cv nodes

[vital meadow]

is the eldritch AA gun time fuze or non time fuze

[atomic abyss]

time fuze guns are never used

in any case, frontliners cant use them iirc

[soft raft]

correct
Fuze is backline exclusive

[atomic abyss]

no

[ornate narwhal]

How hard are the opsi symbols with the red faces and chest?

[atomic abyss]

abyssals are what they're called
hard for new players
as you cant heal and reenter

[ornate narwhal]

Worth trying?

[atomic abyss]

look for the red swirly things

[hushed sorrel]

pretty sure you can heal with 50 action points

[atomic abyss]

clear those instead

[ornate narwhal]

Are they easier?

[atomic abyss]

once, not infinitely

[atomic abyss]

yes, and you can heal and re-enter

[near moat]

How do I find the collection button to view events?

[left cedar]

yesnt
u can go port and heal and get back to it, but they will demand quite amount of time if u are weak and have low amount of adapts

[worldly pewter]

come back at the end of the month
we will figure out something

raise nelson and retro her

[ornate narwhal]

So don’t do strongholds or abysals?

[left cedar]

abyssals are faster and if u have enough adapt and 4 complete non bis geared fleets but poverty options u can do it]

[atomic abyss]

do strongholds

not abyssals

[worldly pewter]

if u have 188 adapts u can do strongholds now with ur mob fleet

[atomic abyss]

abyssals you only have 1 shot to clear it

[ornate narwhal]

Ohh ok

[atomic abyss]

strongholds ad infinitum

[left cedar]

do strongholds, at end of month once u get ur adapts go trying ur abyss, start at C4 and go till enever u can go, once get rekt getout and go to next

[atomic abyss]

try the abyssals at the end of the month ye

[hushed sorrel]

its rather depending on the stats you unlocked rather than at the end of the month. if its your first month yes each little day would make your fleet stronger but if you have no plan of upgrading the operation siren fleets you should aim for opsi stats rather than time

[atomic abyss]

well

this guy unlocked opsi fairly recently so

abyssals are very beyond him lol

[hushed sorrel]

fair point. yes i guess they would

[solid kite]

quick question, is Lionflame (Lion's 1st skill debuff) permanent once applied or does it last a set undisclosed period?

[atomic abyss]

permanent until enemies die and are unable to spread it due to no other enemies being present

[solid kite]

great, thanks

[boreal temple]

how bad is auto sub on w15? I keep forgetting to call them in so contemplating if I just turn that on

[atomic abyss]

extremely

you'll end up using them only once

cos they'll die the moment the surface

[boreal temple]

ah so I should just stop tabbing out on important fights then gotcha

[atomic abyss]

i think that shd go without saying

[boreal temple]

[sweet delta]

Azur Lane players when they have to actually watch the battle:

[clear harbor]

I watch like 50% of my battles!

[storm olive]

W15 is like the one place not called PvP where you should be watching carefully and resetting if bad rng

[boreal temple]

watching the battles got tiresome after like a year or two of playing

[clear harbor]

I can imagine so.

[atomic abyss]

well

when challenging the hardest content in the game

and want to clear it

you may want to pay a biiiiit more attention

[boreal temple]

I have faith in the fleet that ren cooked

[hushed sorrel]

i mostly watch all my pvp matches since i dont want loses. watching help lots. also in stronger boss fights when you got lots of skills that have a chance to activate

[clear harbor]

Do most skins become permanently available eventually?

[storm olive]

PvP is like one of 2 places you actually watch fights, the other being w15

[hushed sorrel]

collabs skins do not, some get soft banned and cannot be bought but you wont lose them if you got them.

[eternal basalt]

And events one

[hushed sorrel]

since events have rerun all those returns after 2 years

[storm olive]

All except speed and luck

[viscid swift]

everything but luck and speed pretty much

[hushed sorrel]

not? i thought so

[eternal basalt]

Skins? No...

[viscid swift]

they can rerun sooner than that

[sweet delta]

And oil cost

[viscid swift]

like Mogador's swimsuit reran with Lion's event

[storm olive]

Oh oath also increases morale recovery

[eternal basalt]

Belfast made skin from dec 2019... never got ran again

[boreal temple]

for boss fleet do I want circular defense or the usual double line?

[sleek tulip]

Wait you get 50 gems for every stage you clear??

[viscid swift]

no

you get some gems for 3 starring main campaign stages in normal mode

[worldly pewter]

usually double line

[eternal basalt]

Are you sure you're not confusing the secret with a skin rerun

[viscid swift]

I am 100% sure

[atomic abyss]

yes it did rerun

all of the alsace event skins did

[sleek tulip]

Yeah I mean that. How much chapters exist?

[atomic abyss]

15

[worldly pewter]

was it 50 50 100 150 ? the amount of gems per stage per chapter

[atomic abyss]

50/50/50/100

[sleek tulip]

15450=3.000 Gems?

[atomic abyss]

you get 3,750 gems from clearing campaign

i shd be clear that most players dont even reach ch12 despite how easy it is to reach there

[sleek tulip]

Is it hard do reach chapter 15?

[atomic abyss]

chap 13 is hard

chap 14 is very hard

chap 15 is extremely hard

14 and 15 are considered the "endgame" of AL

[sleek tulip]

Have you cleared them?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[sleek tulip]

Can I see your fleet?

[atomic abyss]

but like

i dont have them saved lol

[sleek tulip]

🥲

[atomic abyss]

also fleets alone dont tell the full picture

gear matters too

the big issue is gear

[viscid swift]

it's mostly event URs and PRs/DRs

[sweet delta]

Inb4 full purple/blue gear

[atomic abyss]

unless you happened to started on the right events

[sleek tulip]

I just want to see the stats from a fleet that could finish chapter 15

[atomic abyss]

the average player with guidance will take maybe 1.5 - 2 years to clear 15

[viscid swift]

the total stats are frankly irrelevant

[atomic abyss]

fleet power is irrelevant

[hushed sorrel]

thats dangerous. stats dont say much

[atomic abyss]

fleet power is essentially a sum of stats, and that tells you nothing about how good something is

even a bad ship can have high fleetpower

[sleek tulip]

And the Stats above your fleet? Wenn you go to your fleets up there

[atomic abyss]

irrelevant outside hard mode requirements

[cobalt rapids]

and EX score

[atomic abyss]

its important to note that skills, gears, efficiencies
stuff that arent included in these stat totals are the deciding factors

[sleek tulip]

Would you say it's possible to get to chapter 15 with yellow ships and equipment?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[sleek tulip]

Or did I need these ultra equip?

[cobalt rapids]

yes but why would u restrict urself to non rainbow ships ?

[sleek tulip]

I only have Laffey II

[atomic abyss]

your 2 years will become 3 or 4 years

[cobalt rapids]

dw ull get em like candy inbetween research and events

[viscid swift]

if you work at it

[atomic abyss]

consistent gameplay

this game rewards consistency

[sleek tulip]

I haven't even understood how Operation Siren works...

[atomic abyss]

then forget about end game AL

[hushed sorrel]

w15 may be far away xD

[atomic abyss]

focus on what's at your feet

[sleek tulip]

means?

[atomic abyss]

what's actually in front of you

what you can actually do

[worldly pewter]

as someone who i know very much

[hushed sorrel]

you need to work which the stuff that you currently have and do the best with it

[atomic abyss]

opsi is one of the many things you will want to do before tackling the "hardest content in the game"

[atomic abyss]

as i said

[sleek tulip]

Where can I get these??

[atomic abyss]

mostly, operation siren

[sweet delta]

Everywhere in opsi, shouldn't need to buy them specifically

[cobalt rapids]

u shouldnt take gear above +10 till u know what ure doing

[sleek tulip]

Why

[viscid swift]

gold plates are a limited resource

[sweet delta]

You can ask here to learn what ure doing

[atomic abyss]

limited resource

[cobalt rapids]

because the resources to enhance them past +10 are very scarce so they are reserved only when u wanna push your stuff to the max

[atomic abyss]

shd only be used on the best of the best things

[sleek tulip]

I finished 5 zones and I got nothing

[atomic abyss]

5 is nothing lol

not to mention im sure those 5 are from securing zones

not from clearing the harder content that actually drops those
like abyssals and strongholds and arbiters

[sweet delta]

Finishing 5 zones per month for 12 months gives much less rewards than finishing 60 zones in one month

[viscid swift]

that's nothing

[atomic abyss]

yeah mate, that's very little lol

you're expected to like, clear all zones
every month

[viscid swift]

try clearing out the entire map, shops, abyssals, etc after a month first

[atomic abyss]

for now

finish the operation siren story first

[viscid swift]

if you want results, you have to work for it

[sleek tulip]

I don’t have that much time and not that much oil!!!

[atomic abyss]

opsi doesnt use oil

[hushed sorrel]

and you dont control that yourself. opsi is lots of auto-fight

[atomic abyss]

and well if you dont have much time, im sorry reaching end game AL probably isnt for you

i would recommend just being content with collecting everything

[worldly pewter]

unless someone who i know very well

[viscid swift]

but collecting everything requires clearing W15

[atomic abyss]

abdou, be the peanut gallery elsewhere

[hushed sorrel]

thats so true and the only reason i ever begun w15

[hushed sorrel]

if you want to use your phone for other stuff but got a daily computer time for other stuff i recommend a emulator. you can run opsi in the background and just look each half hour or something into azur lane and start new auto-fights and it will be done

[white agate]

can also use a phone ui func to use al in 1/4 th of the screen and use the other 3/4 th for other things

[sleek tulip]

Very stupid…?

[sweet delta]

Extremely

[sleek tulip]

That’s all i have above 10

[worldly pewter]

[atomic abyss]

extremely

[viscid swift]

"it's less than worthless"

[sweet delta]

I see two things that were reasonable. Twin 113 and steam catapult

[hushed sorrel]

some of these arent good picks but i wouldnt say stupid since that always sounds a bit extreme

[cobalt rapids]

luckily u can also recover some of the losses

[atomic abyss]

a lot of gold gear from tech boxes arent good

[worldly pewter]

i m a radar fan so i can let 3 pieces slide

[white agate]

1/3 to be exact

[cobalt rapids]

i meant through gearlab which is 100% plate refund

[viscid swift]

some of these really are just stupid when purple gear you get from techboxes outclasses them

[little tree]

Gear labs thay btd he gets them all back

[sleek tulip]

Gearlab?

[cobalt gate]

How can he recover loss? I don’t think the planes are in gear lab as material

[cobalt rapids]

another opsi thingy

[hushed sorrel]

you need lots of materials and craft equip of your choice. but yes as it was already told they mostly come from opsi

[worldly pewter]

just play the game normally i started opsi 2 months after starting the game and still was able to beat w15 in 8 months

[cobalt gate]

I wish they gave out gear recycle again

[little tree]

Whats that

[sleek tulip]

Can you recommend a good destroyer or a good battleship from the shipyard?

[worldly pewter]

gear recycle ?

[cobalt gate]

Cn only thing

[boreal temple]

and it took me like a year of stalling to beat mine

[atomic abyss]

friederich de grosse
to be clear, you shd look at ships by roles, not by their hull types

[sleek tulip]

roles?

[atomic abyss]

DPS, healer, tank, buffer/debuffer etc

most DDs are not tanks, but some like laffey 2 are - as an example

[sleek tulip]

AL kills me lol

[atomic abyss]

you're an exceptional case lol

[sleek tulip]

too complicated

[boreal temple]

get used to it, if you hate reading well... get used to it

[atomic abyss]

you started with the 2 best ships for w15 abdou

[hushed sorrel]

you can just get complete fleets build here. you dont need to do that yourself if you dont think you will be able to

[boreal temple]

this game is quite forgiving that even if it's hella complicated there's a ton of documentation on it so that you can take your time learning through the vertical learning curve

[atomic abyss]

most players simply wont start with laff2 and guam on their doorstep

[white agate]

could also play manually to take less
just need the right ir event at start

[sleek tulip]

I use laff2. Good?

[atomic abyss]

is she max limit broken

[cobalt rapids]

if you hate this aspect you dont have to engage with it
you can spend the rest of your days dilly dallying in w12 and just collect wifus

[atomic abyss]

which is what i said earlier

[boreal temple]

like my slacker ass

[hushed sorrel]

laffey is without doubt one of the cutest chars

[atomic abyss]

well

the gear is the issue but yes

[sleek tulip]

Any Suggestions?

[white agate]

yeah, for example i could easily do w15 in auto, but i am still at w13, i'll do w15 if i need extra gems

[worldly pewter]

look he started with too

[atomic abyss]

but he said that was his only UR

so uh

unless he's teeming with URs we dont know about

[sleek tulip]

I just searched my dock, I still have others, but they are all at a low level

Want to see them?

[worldly pewter]

i m actually going to try to 3☆ w15 this week for the gems

[atomic abyss]

change the AA and auxes to these

[atomic abyss]

well sure, but if you dont have UR bulins to spare, there's little point in me doing so

[sleek tulip]

But I need Anti-Sub

[atomic abyss]

why?

[sleek tulip]

For Subs? lol

[atomic abyss]

subs dont exist in campaign till 14-3

and even the subs in events are weak enough that you dont need a hedgehog for them

[boreal temple]

what you need are toolboxes a ton of em

[sleek tulip]

I have enough specialized core for 10 ultra bulins

[hushed sorrel]

even without anti-sub equip your vanguard can attack them. just not as good

[atomic abyss]

10? ok then sure, show your URs

[white agate]

thankfully i have 500/600 dockspace filled and 640 coming in clutch at anni

[boreal temple]

get used to standard aux gearing in vg like toolboxes, washing machines and main fleet auxes like shells, hpfcrs, steam catapults

[sweet delta]

[boreal temple]

[worldly pewter]

i have 476/500 barely can do 3x help runs

[sweet delta]

rip Lion

[atomic abyss]

you missed lion? oof

[boreal temple]

biggest oof

[sleek tulip]

I did 199 builds then the event finished…

[white agate]

i... am retiring all my commons since i plan to 120 them last unless good stats, else i would have less space

[atomic abyss]

well

i would advise using

0 bulins

[hushed sorrel]

how did you manage to play for so long and only have 180 dock space?

[atomic abyss]

and hope you get bismarck zwei this week

[boreal temple]

skins

[hushed sorrel]

rip

[boreal temple]

or worse... tactical class slots

[hushed sorrel]

dont say i told you but some do repair with gems

[sleek tulip]

I don’t have any gem skin

[boreal temple]

at the very least 1 is serviceable

[sweet delta]

[hushed sorrel]

you gain one ring for free per year

[sleek tulip]

how

[sweet delta]

by logging in in August

[hushed sorrel]

en anniversary

[boreal temple]

anniv

[sleek tulip]

Yes?

[boreal temple]

[sweet delta]

Vickie

[boreal temple]

in AL terms USS Helena (Retrofit)

[blissful sigil]

This is my main fleets and idk who to pick, either SHinano or New Jersey. (plus other URs)

[boreal temple]

imo shinano but don't take my word for it!

[white agate]

when was pr7 exact date?

[sleek tulip]

Where can I see if a ship is main or vanguard?

If I don’t have it

[blissful sigil]

I normally just google it or see what type of ship it is (e.g. DD - Vanguard, BB - Main)

[soft raft]

Iirc like July 14th or 17th or somewhere around there

It varies slightly each year but it's always been Mid July

[sleek tulip]

BBV main? And all Types of Cruisers Vanguard?

[white agate]

good, i should be able to dev 29->30 naki

[blissful sigil]

In Azur Lane, BBV stands for Aviation Battleship. These ships are hybridizations of Battleships (BB) and Aircraft Carriers (CV), combining the firepower of battleships with the air support capabilities of aircraft carriers.

[forest palm]

devs are allergic to making useful hybrids

[viscid swift]

Kearsarge

[blissful sigil]

I'm still very unsure who to pick, Shinano or New Jersey, should I flip a coin for it?

[sweet delta]

Shinano

Also

• Neither UR should be invested in when there are UR reruns or new UR events looming on the horizon ( ask in your favorite Discord if that is the case )
• Neither UR should be half invested in or used before you have decided to commit to it
• Due to frequency of UR events (and reruns) and the aforementioned points, both will most likely fall into the max-limit-break-with-permanent-sparking category and not with UR bulins, which means several months before they’re usable

[hollow gust]

Kearsarge ? The 2nd? Just cause you don't like them doesn't mean they are bad

[forest palm]

Kears does need Yorkii to be useful, and 2nd is a collab ship

[white agate]

is monarch the only aug still missing from pr1?
then if they pass on to pr2 does that mean azuma fdg and possibly nano nj augments?

[sleek tulip]

2nd? Yorkii?

[forest palm]

yes, Monarch is the last one

[forest palm]

2nd is a collab ship you can ignore, Yorkii is just York Town II

[jovial jackal]

Is the FDG gun still useful?

[forest palm]

yes she is still useful, unless you have a bunch of URs

[jovial jackal]

Was asking because it can be farmed on next rerun

[sleek tulip]

Is New Jersey useful?

[hollow gust]

Depends on what you have ,

[sweet delta]

not to the point of being worth farming from an event map

[hollow gust]

Investing into Nj means not working on vanguard and shinano who are way more influential

Plus Spite is so back

[forest palm]

yes "back" just spend like 100k gold about 6 gold bulins, a bunch of retro mats, waste half a UR Bulin for retro item

[white agate]

only for pvp tho

[little tree]

Isn't spite still only a tier 2 bb aug is pvp only

[viscid swift]

she's around NJ levels of damage now

[hollow gust]

gold is practically infinitely grindable, half a bulin is lower then 4 bulins, which BB other then nelson are you gonna retro early on?

[little tree]

Oh so still to expensive to go for

[solid kite]

is there a list with best(or all) cross-fleet skills?

[forest palm]

still not recommendable to a new player imo, also you're going to tell someone to get a retro item over securing a UR Bulin for say BZ since she's coming up right now

[little tree]

Sandy is a better investment and is still way to much for new players

[white agate]

doesn't warkai mark miss sometimes tho?

[hollow gust]

Never said that she has prio over Bismarck Zwei? She has the prio over someone whos looking to invest into a NJ

[little tree]

The question is why her over Nelson and hood who get you to ch 12

[hollow gust]

Warspite has less tradeoffs then Nj, simple as that

[forest palm]

again Warkai may be good, but she's going to interfere with UR Bulin income and I find that bad for newer players

[hollow gust]

.

[white agate]

nelson is nomore given from newb rewards iirc

[forest palm]

I don't care about NJ in this though?

[hollow gust]

Thats what the response for initially? Or do you not scroll

[forest palm]

ya you kind of changed the whole topic after that

[little tree]

Half a ur bullin for a bb who will get replaced like NJ seems like a waste

[hollow gust]

You were the one who keeps trying to twist the words by saying I said warspite has more prio then gatcha BBs

[forest palm]

you hit your head or something?

[woven star]

🍿

[forest palm]

see now you just edited your entire sentence changing the whole meaning now you're really a clown too

[storm olive]

Iunno but maybe you should go flirt in DMs instead of the help channel

[crimson glacier]

to be fair the unedited message was just complete nonsense lmao

[forest palm]

trying to act like no one saw that shit

[hollow gust]

Warspite is an alternative investment for players when they finish the important URs. People ofc will take Bismarck Zwei and shit like Lion first

[forest palm]

I just don't see the optic in Warkai, too investment heavy, and easily powercrept

[white agate]

warspite is that sweet +2hit

[hollow gust]

.

The only long term impact of warspite is the half a bulin, others are renewable resources

[crisp raven]

for long time players, half a ur bulin may not be much. but for new players as we approach reruns with shop URs plus the gacha, half a ur bulin will be make or break. like thats gonna be so rough unless those players are planning and saving now for those URs.

[soft raft]

FdG yes
FdG gun? No not really, especially when IJN Twin 410/IJN Twin 410 Kai does about the same performance for cheaper

[white agate]

to be fair we got more special core in the monthly medal shop now like 2k per month

[storm olive]

3k, 8k total monthly

[white agate]

yep, i meant before cn anni we had 6k now 8k month income

[storm olive]

How long has it been since LdV event first run

[soft raft]

she's being archived this maint

[crisp raven]

original run was july 28 2022

[white agate]

around 2 and a half years i think a bit more

[storm olive]

Oh that's nearly 3 years I have played then

[clear harbor]

Oh. FOMO's going to get me.

[eager mulch]

is +6% stats a lot?

[tame jungle]

i think it's less than 10% but more than 4

[clear harbor]

Checks out.

[worldly pewter]

musasi lion alsace soyuz guam uvh z52 mamagi rumey indep percy
not sure about unzen since i don't own her i have raff but no idea where to put her

[daring flower]

dis gunna sound really dumb but um is there a guide on farming specific equipment? i was looking at the tier guide and the suggested gear but no idea where to actually get the gear o3o

[supple canopy]

The perfect bunny gf doesn’t exi——

Question: is there any benefits to buying gifts for this private quarters ? What does this gameplay do

[worldly pewter]

100% sure there is no gameplay benefit from that content

[boreal temple]

Start playing opsi

most of the gear used are gearlab gear and you get the mats to craft them from playing opsi

[woven star]

Not sure about Lion x-fleet but NJ definitely among them

As for me Musashi, NJ, Shima, Amagi/Rumey. Maybe Kronshtat cross fleet. Almost all of them don't have counting numbers so can happen on all fights including boss

[daring flower]

ohh oops ok thats one thing i never did in azur lane lol so ig i gotta learn opsi XD OOPSIE

[brisk dragon]

who are the best Sakura Empire main fleet ships ? beside URs

[zenith pebble]

is 81, 37, and 96 still the main wolf pack?

[forest palm]

101 with UE is better than 37, but ya 81 + 96 is core

[strange path]

Owari…? Best SR bb in the game i read some time ago

[rigid onyx]

when did 101 get an unique aug

[forest palm]

sometime this year iirc

[brisk dragon]

aight thx. know any other 2 ?

[boreal temple]

not much choices imo

[strange path]

you could use Izumo she's pr, after it like doesnt really make a difference i dont think

[forest palm]

Daisen, Izumo, Owari, Zuihou, Taihou, Ryuuhou all exist...

[silk helm]

whats the yk2 comp thats really good?

How's this for poverty

[soft raft]

what is this for? KawaM?

[silk helm]

12-1, need to farm xp for kear

[forest palm]

[silk helm]

do i need eldridge or is just 3 main ships enough for yk2, i wasn't sure

[forest palm]

this is overkill for xp farming

[soft raft]

vanguards dont count for backline XP and vice versa

[silk helm]

srry to proc yk2's skill

[forest palm]

it's 12-1 it really doesn't matter

[silk helm]

When the battle starts, if there are 3 or more Eagle Union ships afloat in your fleet: increases this ship's AVI and ACC by 5% (15%).

does that include yk2 herself?

[soft raft]

iirc Yk2 counts herself as one of the 3 USS ships for the skill check
tho either way it doesnt matter since that's overkill for 12-1

[forest palm]

like you can totally use other USS ships for this grind

[silk helm]

i dont have any thats MLB

[soft raft]

Unless explicitly stated otherwise, the ship the skill is on counts

[silk helm]

unless purples

[forest palm]

USS purple tech is like Bataan, Hornet, Langley II, Lexington, Long Island, Princton, San Jacinto, Yorktown

[cobalt gate]

would this be a complete bb? how is it against the 2 devs gave us?

[eternal basalt]

Day 2 gives 150 chips, day 4 5 st3 skill books, day 6 a t5 royal tech pack, that's the gameplay rewards

[whole crypt]

this will be better than tempesta cats for a BB fleet but off the top of my head oscar is not the top pick for boss

[rocky tapir]

How fast does it take complete the event?

[viscid swift]

What event

[rocky tapir]

BRS

[viscid swift]

you could finish it in a day if you grind W12 long enough

[rocky tapir]

I see.

[cobalt gate]

@whole crypt oh though Oscar was the the only staff cat

[hexed aspen]

Is there a more recent guide on leveling ships?

[viscid swift]

book them/dorm them to level 70-90
level them in W12, nothing that complicated

[hexed aspen]

What level should my ships be at to clear w12? I'm at 10-1 and kinda stuck

[viscid swift]

depends but there's more than just levels

fleet composition, gearing, even just tactical instinct all play a role

[hexed aspen]

I stopped playing like a year ago and just got back into this so I guess is there a guide on that stuff?

[viscid swift]

there's this for an equipent guide
https://www.azurlaneecgc.com/equipment/

what are you using currently for your fleets?

[hollow trout]

would we get the skill train speed up any time soon?

[viscid swift]

We only had it about a month ago so no

[soft raft]

Honestly I wonder what the timing is for those things
I guess they're more oriented for newer players cuz I barely see a need for it

[cobalt gate]

i don’t have enough gold book after that. Wonder if. I should make the purple ones into gold now

[hybrid pelican]

Do I need to deal with subs on bosses from chapter 15?

[stark quiver]

subs are only in 15-3/4 mobs/ dd nodes

[eager mulch]

escorts

the dd lookin nodes whatever they’re called idk amaginom

[stark quiver]

oh right

[eager mulch]

[gaunt cedar]

can you still use ships that have 3 mil xp for shipyard combat data collection?

[stark quiver]

yes

but you shouldnt bc u waste xp
using other not 120 ships and getting them to 120 can give tech points and 120 bonus stats

[gaunt cedar]

i dont have enough good ships to level but thanks

[vale spindle]

Level the bad ones too if they are hot

[pseudo cloud]

Quick question is the build tab where I go to pull more characters?

[stark quiver]

yes, but dont build yet, wait a few days for a new banner
more specifically a rerun of a good ship

[pseudo cloud]

Ok thank you

And how do the events work? I’m still kinda new

[stark quiver]

basically the same as normal campaign stages
you beat stages, go as high as you can and then farm event pts, which in exchange can be used for event shop for items and milestone pts, what drop more stuff

[pseudo cloud]

Got it thank you do they usually give announcements in game on when a new banner drops?

[stark quiver]

yea

[soft raft]

yes
there's also #game-news and the occasional livestream summary when they do one of those

[robust jackal]

Twin 100 kai or single 113 for Trafalgar?

[pseudo cloud]

Ok thank you

[gaunt cedar]

build 1 ship from light category a day

it doesnt cost cube because you get it back and stockpile cubes for events

[pseudo cloud]

Ok and I should just save up as many of the cubes as possible

[slender turtle]

Whats a good fleet for this month’s challenge mode?

[wind hazel]

https://suchiguma.github.io/challengemode/june/

[blissful hamlet]

Does sandy still have the reload bug? What's the best gun for her?

[worldly pewter]

mogadoro or ijn i think
strong and fast

[blissful hamlet]

Which is the best gun then? Mogador or ijn?

[wind hazel]

mog

[blissful hamlet]

:mogChamp:

[viscid swift]

is it? pretty sure 100 kai still wins out

[leaden garden]

Is it necessary to build the submarines or should I ignore them for now

[wind hazel]

you need it for daily raid, you might need it for w14 w15

[blissful hamlet]

If cheeky said it then it must be true

[worldly pewter]

do we have some testing ?

[leaden garden]

Well im not in w14 yet so Ill build my fleet first

[icy cave]

Anyone has tried playing AL on a MacBook? Is it possible

[stark quiver]

Yes it’s possible

[tropic tusk]

So when zwei reruns....meta u-556 also re runes right?

[viscid swift]

yes

[tropic tusk]

finally I can get my hands on u-556 meta

[robust jackal]

is there a current 4 fleet META for opsi?

[tropic tusk]

Wt do U mean by that

[robust jackal]

what are the most effective fleet comps currently for opsi

[viscid swift]

not really given there's a cap on how good your fleets need to be in OpSi

[stark quiver]

I use this, replace luna with lion

[robust jackal]

its been a while since I last updated my opsi fleets, wasn't the general guide for the 4 fleets Mob, Heavy CV, Light CV, BB Shelling?

[viscid swift]

something like that but it really doesn't reflect just how much powercreep has settled in

like to give you an idea, this is what I run for my for fleets
boss fleet(for harbiter, it also takes care of all abyssals)
mob fleet for strongholds
leveling fleet for everything else
cross fleet

[final socket]

I missed the Implacable rerun, when will she be added into the permanent pool?

[stark quiver]

Give it like maybe a year or so

[viscid swift]

after her rerun

[robust jackal]

by leveling fleet, do you mean a fleet for exp grinding on ships?

[viscid swift]

yes

[robust jackal]

does opsi give exp?! its been a while since i've been consistent in it but I had thought that it was a miniscule amount compared to campaign maps.

[viscid swift]

it is

[stark quiver]

Xp minmaxxing knows no bounds

[robust jackal]

ahhh, I thought I had missed something in a last update that changed it...

[viscid swift]

gotta stay ahead of feefee somehow

[stark quiver]

Doesn’t have 70k cogs left

[forest palm]

even if you're out of cogs the grind doesn't end

[viscid swift]

I'm banking on feefee getting lazy

[stark quiver]

What’s the score rn
451 : 455?

[sweet delta]

#al-general

[forest palm]

[rapid grail]

anything to look out for in biszwei rerun event?

[modest rapids]

Is there nothing in the wiki for past META bosses? Looking for boss stats and skills seems impossible to find

[sweet delta]

/sirenstats

[odd root]

https://i.imgur.com/dHVaZV6.jpg
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1178745695335895070/1350450049947013242/METAstats15.3.25.jpg

[sweet delta]

stats are here, but unfortunately you'll have to read chinese wiki for skills

[sweet delta]

actually there is an English database with meta boss skills https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/bosses/id/1377

[modest rapids]

Amazing

[sharp pine]

Is this a good sub fleet?(No, I don't have another snorkel/pressure resistant plan yet)

[stark quiver]

Yea it’s fine

[forest palm]

[waxen pecan]

Are any of these good i need to find a ship for my vanguard

[sweet delta]

have you found 4 UR bulins? And I recommend locking the ships you want to keep

[waxen pecan]

I have used all the ur bulin on my new jersey now i have none left

[rapid grail]

[atomic abyss]

Out of all the ships shown there
Only 7 are vanguards
And they're either shit, or you'll be unable to limit break them due to UR bulins shortage

Which also makes them shit

So uh, none of them is the answer

You'll probably want to go to the guild shop and buy Helena if you don't have her

Or check your medal shop rotation

[waxen pecan]

For one or two months my fleet is this and i feel the vanguard is so so weak so i try to get shima for some more damage but people told me shima is insanely weak in bulk so i don't know if either trafalgar or kronstadt work in it

[void walrus]

Trafgar is the newest UR DD, and you have two decent CA's

[wind hazel]

what are you trying to do with the fleet? aside from roon not dev30, those are fine

[waxen pecan]

I wanna replace the two CA cause i wanna use shima but her hp is a bit concerning so i want a tankier one

[wind hazel]

[void walrus]

Get them to 120 first, then think about replacing them

And/Or use unicorn retrofit

[waxen pecan]

I haven't retrofit anything else except for yudacchi cause i heard most of the retrofit ship suck

[wind hazel]

what are you trying to do with the fleet??????

[waxen pecan]

Replace the CA

[wind hazel]

is this for campaign? opsi? pvp? for what chapter? single fleet?

[waxen pecan]

Single fleet for pvp

[wind hazel]

replace everyone except NJ

lion musashi nj
eldridge shimakaze jintsuuMeta

refer to pinned doc on #pvp if you don't have them for budget fleet

[waxen pecan]

Thank you

[fathom burrow]

Anyone know what this is supposed to do? Last option whatever it is doesn't do anything for me

[zenith heron]

I haven't done Kawakaze META yet, but I heard the best fleet to use it against her is Lion, Alsace, and Rumey to Eldridge, Trafalgar, and Z52?

just want to question why not the typical CV Fleets to use unless I haven't seen a skill that makes them slightly worse which is why the fleet is different than the usual CV Comp?

[vale spindle]

cv fleets can work fine but the investment threshold is a lot stricter than with BBs

like you can run a kearsarge york ii fritz main fleet with the correct gearings and it will be fine

[cobalt rapids]

it removes the transparent cloth thingy

[atomic abyss]

CV fleets are just worse here cos you need multiple +13 HVARs, max CV tech, and likely oath too
Since you pretty much want 4 strike to clear

Also, lion is just that cracked

[cobalt rapids]

and they deal less dmg with all that investment aswell

[fathom burrow]

ah gotcha 👌

[sweet delta]

👑
🦁

[atomic abyss]

Actually

Can you even 4 strike with yk2 without scuffing her DB

[cobalt rapids]

no

[atomic abyss]

12A I assume?

[cobalt rapids]

yea, altho firefly might make it aswell idk

[teal ice]

when amagi rerun?

[cobalt rapids]

not soon
she was released less than 1 year ago

[teal ice]

i want to gacha it on my friend's smaller Account

[cobalt rapids]

well you cannot rn maybe in 2026

[teal ice]

damn too long

[zenith heron]

thanks for the clarification... I guess using BFG is literally a nuisance at this point? Considering there are peeps like me who only have one Hvar Fighter

[cobalt rapids]

well theres the BC amagi permanently in medal shop
shes bad but it looks like amagi

[teal ice]

nah

[wind hazel]

what about Amagi-chan?

[sweet delta]

account sharing/gifting

[atomic abyss]

BFG is a discount la-9 after all
The BB comps are precisely for people who won't have several HVARs

Tho the current best? Comp uses 2 HVARs admittedly

Which is, well a far more reasonable expectation than 4 or 5

[split gazelle]

What's a HVAR?

[stark quiver]

High velocity air rocket

[slender linden]

Who do I use between Richi and Howe

[atomic abyss]

Whichever is more limit broken already

[atomic abyss]

/wiki HVAR

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Grumman_F6F_Hellcat_(HVAR-Mounted)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Harutsuki
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Hardy
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Haruka_Amami
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Haruna
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Harbin
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Haruna_Sairenji
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Heart-Linking_Harmony
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Harbin/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Haruna/Quotes

Jun 16, 2025, 6:57 AM

[atomic abyss]

First one

They're basically the best planes against light armour

@split gazelle

[split gazelle]

oh I see, I thought it was some aux at first lol

thanks all

[eager marsh]

when was PR5 coin up allowed? would DR5 be coming anytime soon?

[wind oxide]

ye

[robust jackal]

When is PR8 expected to drop?

[wind oxide]

July prob?

[atomic abyss]

Recent, January iirc
DR5 coin up will probably be around the same time next year

[atomic abyss]

If going by previous years, July

[robust jackal]

thanks

[eager marsh]

[zenith heron]

[fierce walrus]

What to do with new meowficcers once you cant feed them to any of your cats anymore? Is there a sell option somewhere?

[cobalt rapids]

the only way to get rid of them is through feeding

[clear harbor]

Are any of the Medal Shop BBs or CAs high priority? For BBs I already have Hood. For CAs I already have Takao and Prinz Eugen. There are a few I'd pick up for collection purposes, but maybe there are higher priorities.

[atomic abyss]

Tirpitz for IB tech and being a decent BB
Tho now I suppose Warkai might be an unironic recommendation now

CAs are pretty much "get the Italians for tech"

[clear harbor]

Warkai?

[atomic abyss]

Warspite

[wind oxide]

Warspite

[atomic abyss]

Her retrofit + aug is now pretty good for a new player lol

[split gazelle]

kai means retro right?

[wind oxide]

damage wise kinda good ig

[fierce walrus]

They should really make a new function then, this is just wasted coins at this point

[atomic abyss]

NJ tier

[clear harbor]

Do I need a special thingy to retrofit her?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[wind oxide]

Idk

[atomic abyss]

Tho if you have stuff like Lion, Soyuz, Alsace etc
No point getting warspite

[sweet delta]

Who does Italian tech unlock?

[atomic abyss]

Nakhi

Well and Napoli

[clear harbor]

I have Lion...so Tripitz I guess.

[cobalt rapids]

well yea but u wanna feed them to other cats for xp anyway

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[fierce walrus]

All my cats are built, thats the thing

[stark quiver]

Then that’s rather unfortunate
You really have 40 built cats?

[dreamy blade]

buy more cat slots

[clear harbor]

Is it still possible to get the thing for Warspite's Retrofit? Looking at the wiki, it seems like the event only ran in 2019 and 2020. Is permanently avaliable now?

[dreamy blade]

it is in core shop

[atomic abyss]

Yes, specialized core shop

[clear harbor]

Ohhhhhhh

[atomic abyss]

Same with sandy

[dreamy blade]

half a UR bulin worth of spec core

[sinful socket]

Chat who should I spend bulins on (or should I hold?)

[wind oxide]

Too bad eld retro item is not

[atomic abyss]

Implacable

[clear harbor]

I'm a dingus.

[dreamy blade]

how many bulins can you buy?

[atomic abyss]

If you have 4, Implacable

[sinful socket]

0 for now

[atomic abyss]

If you have just 2, no one

[dreamy blade]

then hold

[sinful socket]

I'll wait 4 yeah but then Implacable or next UR

[atomic abyss]

Depends

On when you get the other 2

Cos bis2 is lower priority for you

[clear harbor]

But since I already have Lion, I might as well pick up Tripitz now and pick up Warspite later?

[atomic abyss]

Well if you need the ironblood tech

[clear harbor]

It wouldn't hurt. And my original plan was to pick up Jean Bart for waifu purposes. : /

[tame jungle]

don't focus on collection purposes early on, you can come back to it later

[dreamy blade]

well jean bart is at least french tech which is also hard to get, depends what you need for PR/DR reqs

[clear harbor]

Mostly the core Eagle, Royal, Iron, and Sakura for right now.

My tech progression is still very early.

[dreamy blade]

then yeah iron blood and sakura are typically the harder ones to get

[clear harbor]

Like, I don't think I can really develop anything in PR2+

[slender linden]

Need help on W-12 Fleet lineup

[clear harbor]

Jean Bart will have to wait. 😩

[split gazelle]

You can also farm divergent chessboard for IB ships, those are purple bulins at least. or guild shop even

[tame jungle]

german event coming up so

[clear harbor]

Cool cool

[dreamy blade]

usually the recommended order is something like saint louis->roon->fdg (hence IB tech needed)->anchorage->haku/agir but you could potentially skip fdg for pr4 since you already have lion and presumably will get biszwei

[split gazelle]

probably replace fdg with avp

[atomic abyss]

First we need to compare AvP and strasser

[tame jungle]

uhh no not really

[atomic abyss]

Also AvP requires more tech than FdG iirc

[dreamy blade]

well AvP is easier to get than strasser unless you happen to already have her

[clear harbor]

It's unlikely a ship would get removed from the Medal pool, right?

[wind oxide]

Never heard of a ship getting removed from the medal pool

[dreamy blade]

they only add more ships afaik

[split gazelle]

ah wait I meant more like saint > roon > anch > avp > agir > haku but curious what you guys think

[clear harbor]

👍 ❤️

[dreamy blade]

ships will ocassionally get removed from perma construction and get added to medal shop

yeah avp after ancho makes sense

[clear harbor]

Your all's advice is much appreciated. Sounds like I should acquire IB and Sakura ships for tech and chase waifus later.

[dreamy blade]

besides anchorage pr ships are mainly just stepping stones towards the dr ships

[wary skiff]

is plymouth not coinable?

[wind hazel]

no not yet

[leaden garden]

Implaceable and Ulrich

[stark quiver]

What? Ulrich is useless

[leaden garden]

really?

[tame jungle]

yeah don't listen to this guy

[leaden garden]

She's been carrying my ass in Campaign

[stark quiver]

What campaign stage are you at

[leaden garden]

13 currently I'm scared to step in 14

[stark quiver]

Yea….

[tame jungle]

i.e. you finished the tutorial

[leaden garden]

I dont want to mess with those torpedos the planes were already a nightmare

my CLs and CAs are not ready for that smoke

[wind oxide]

use CVs?

[leaden garden]

I know but until I'm comfortable with my gears I am not touching Chap 14

[tame jungle]

ulrich isn't good enough to warrant spending bulins on, especially not when they already have 4 other MLB UR battleships, with 3 of them being outright better than her

[leaden garden]

I use her for bossing I pair her with another BB

[tame jungle]

and that's why w13 was hell for you

[leaden garden]

Is she only good for mobbing? 😭

[tame jungle]

she's just not good in the current UR BB landscape

especially since late game you'll usually run 1BB 2CV fleets

[south sequoia]

she struggles with mobbing in campaign due to the ammo system

and her off flag gimmick

[atomic abyss]

Ulrich is arguably the worst UR BB at this point

[south sequoia]

it worked back then during w14 where she was one of the few ur bbs released at that time and was slotted in the boss fleet in which you used her crossfleet to clear out mobs

[leaden garden]

Aww no way..

[atomic abyss]

She has niches for certain meta showdowns sure
But outside of that meh

[south sequoia]

but then as people used her more for w14 its clear she struggles with survivability since she gets revealed and nuked quickly

[atomic abyss]

Warspite already caught up

[leaden garden]

Then in PVP?

[atomic abyss]

Lol no

[tame jungle]

lol

[south sequoia]

shes ESPECIALLY worse in pvp

[atomic abyss]

Even noshiro unironically would be better in pvp

[leaden garden]

I guess i need to change my formation

[atomic abyss]

(noshiro was for the time actually meta in pvp)

[south sequoia]

ulrich gimmick was fun and worked back then, but then it aged like milk

[atomic abyss]

FdG bests UvH in mobbing

[chrome frigate]

is there a video/guide on how to beat module development 2?

[atomic abyss]

NJ and now Warkai best her in bossing

[leaden garden]

then who's the current best BB in campaign and PVP?

[atomic abyss]

Lion by a country mile

[wind oxide]

Simba

[leaden garden]

I was expecting Alsace..

[south sequoia]

Lion wipes her competition

[atomic abyss]

Then Musashi

Then probably bis 2 and alsace

[wind oxide]

she got creeped hard

[atomic abyss]

Not really

[vale spindle]

Alsace good

[south sequoia]

Lion > Musashi > Bis 2 = Alsace > Soyuz > The rest

[atomic abyss]

At least for campaign

[vale spindle]

raff gamer in campaign

[south sequoia]

raffaelo exists

[vale spindle]

dont sleep on raff

[wind oxide]

jk jk

[south sequoia]

She's great for campaign sure

we just gotta... wait for w16

[atomic abyss]

I got a feeling you were seriously saying Alsace got powercrept...

And backpedaled

[wind oxide]

Nope

[vale spindle]

Jimmy found a consistent kawam one shot involving raff

[atomic abyss]

Well

[stark quiver]

Jimmy babe

[south sequoia]

[atomic abyss]

CN is saying Lion Impla Centaur is better than IJN with impla for heavy

[wind oxide]

Ey

[vale spindle]

50 attempts in a row all kills
i think it involves oath and fleet tech to get it though

[atomic abyss]

...they're not completely wrong

[south sequoia]

wtf

[atomic abyss]

I tested it

[south sequoia]

how good is centaurs damage?

[leaden garden]

I haven't built my Centaur...

[atomic abyss]

Unless you're max rld and oathed IJN

[south sequoia]

is majority of the damage spread from lion and implac?

[atomic abyss]

Lion Centaur Impla win cos they can get a 4th strike off fully without a completely scuffed load out

[vale spindle]

Not that special but she has a 4 fighter 4 tb loadout so with rockets can be good

[atomic abyss]

All you need is oaths

[nocturne glade]

Is Hindy Gun + Drake gun fine on Hindenberg? Still need 4 more prints to get a second Hindy gun

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

On IJN

[bleak nymph]

So hvar centaur meta now with impla lion? Just for light?

[nocturne glade]

great, ty!

[cobalt robin]

Is she good?

[vale spindle]

yes

[south sequoia]

oath diff game p2w smh smh

[bleak nymph]

not as good as when she came out but still good

[south sequoia]

whats the loadout anyways with that comp?

[atomic abyss]

You missed the context
This comp is for heavy lol

[leaden garden]

I know Oaths gives stat but is it that big of a diff between an Oath and a non Oathed ship?

[south sequoia]

the main difference maker is pretty much rld

[atomic abyss]

6% increase in reload stat will do that

[tame jungle]

it's a small difference but it's just enough to meet the breakpoint here

[atomic abyss]

Cos it shifts by just 1-2s

Which is enough to hit 4 strike window

For IJN + Impla to hit 4 strike window
Bearcats for all their fighter slots

[cobalt robin]

This is the 3rd UR within 35 builds, I think I'm gonna die soon

[atomic abyss]

Yes when max limit broken
Forms one of the cores of anti heavy armour carrier comps

[atomic abyss]

With Lion?

[south sequoia]

oh shit glori meta is cv rld

[leaden garden]

I Oathed my Ulrich

[south sequoia]

ye

[bleak nymph]

I almost did that

[cobalt robin]

Are there like UR bullins?

[bleak nymph]

Yes, you can get about 2 a month

[hushed sorrel]

you can buy ur bulins with cores

[wind oxide]

I mean she's goth so

[south sequoia]

err would they add glori meta crystals back here after the event shop disappears

[atomic abyss]

I'm scuffed on tech but it's possible to run
Champy with AFCT and no loader
Bearcat double saiun w/ beacon
Double La-9, vit-2 w/ beacon

I think something like that

Might have been d-4 over vit-2

[atomic abyss]

Yes
Specialised core shop

This was arimeta

To be clear my centaur is oathed

[bleak nymph]

having missed eldridge retro item will forever haunt me

[tame jungle]

dude can you stop with the unrelated images

[atomic abyss]

And impla didn't get the 4th strike off lol

[leaden garden]

oh right not allowed my bad

[vale spindle]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

That said

[south sequoia]

alright nice

[atomic abyss]

Idk how it would have ended with Trafalgar

[cobalt robin]

Don't have enough 😔

[atomic abyss]

I think I would have seen even better numbers with traf lol

[wind oxide]

trafalgar instead of eld?

[atomic abyss]

Instead of kaza

[leaden garden]

Is it gonna have a rerun like Warspite's?

[atomic abyss]

Laff2 would be better but I don't have her lol

[dreamy blade]

eventually ™️

[bleak nymph]

That is the bottleneck yes, UR Max LB is supposed to take a while

[hushed sorrel]

you can buy cores with medails from recycling

[slender linden]

do I get this

[wind oxide]

ye

[vale spindle]

As needed

[cobalt robin]

With that I would have enough, should i buy?

[atomic abyss]

Actually

[vale spindle]

If you dont need it dont buy it

[atomic abyss]

Where did that shinano even come from

[hushed sorrel]

if you got all other medail stuff you want? of course

[vale spindle]

Cause you can buy multiple at a time if you have the currency

[slender linden]

who do I mlb next

[bleak nymph]

No point if you don't have enough bulins to max it out

[vale spindle]

Lion

[atomic abyss]

Lion when you have 4

[wind oxide]

Simba

[slender linden]

alr ill keep that in mind thnx

[atomic abyss]

Cos uh, you shouldn't be rolling perma banner...

[slender linden]

I could get 3 rn I still need 1 more

[hushed sorrel]

the cores dont disappear even if they arent exchanged shortly after getting them

[bleak nymph]

He said he got it from cubes, not the pity stack just pure luck on roll

[atomic abyss]

@south sequoia for comparison

The centaur comp did roughly the same

But I was pretty close to getting 4 full strikes with IJN

[south sequoia]

wtf

[bleak nymph]

I know that, but buying for 1 bulin instead of waiting to buy 4 at once

[atomic abyss]

4 strike IJN isn't realistic without oath lol

[cobalt robin]

I was lucky got lion twice so I could give it to her no?

[leaden garden]

I haven't tried trafalgar is she on the level of Laffey2?

[atomic abyss]

Incidentally this was the control test

[bleak nymph]

Yes, Lion is higher prio than Shinano now

[atomic abyss]

Completely different uses

Only thing similar they do is shoot planes really well

[fiery swan]

can someone pull up the event chart

[cobalt robin]

Alright

[leaden garden]

Cool but do I still need a good AA in w14?

[atomic abyss]

No

[bleak nymph]

What is Traffy's purpose anyway? I know she has a slow but don't remember other details right now

[tame jungle]

#gameplay-help message

[atomic abyss]

Trafalgar shines in opsi/meta more as a HMS buffer + enemy evasion rate debuffer

Not a slower

Laffey2 on the other hand is a campaign and pvp monster

[wind mountain]

Hello, dose anyone know if you can get Kashino in any of the War Archive stages or is she only in the Special build?

[atomic abyss]

Can I just point out - this is a double BB comp vs heavy

[vale spindle]

Only build iirc check wiki for more info

[atomic abyss]

And it does better than the IJN comp

[leaden garden]

Everytime I see Laffey2 on pvp I immedietly press refresh

[fiery swan]

what comes after biszwei rerun tho

[wind mountain]

Ok thx^^

[atomic abyss]

Pr8

Maybe Ryza rerun

[wind oxide]

DAMN

[bleak nymph]

did we have teasers yet for pr8?

[atomic abyss]

Something something Lion is cracked

[leaden garden]

Is the new pr8 ships leaked yet?

[atomic abyss]

No

[leaden garden]

oh..

[wind oxide]

Yea thats the only reasonable answer

[atomic abyss]

I mean IJN 3 strike comp would probably do more

[bleak nymph]

I remember first day everyone calling her underwhelming lmao

[atomic abyss]

What

[cobalt rapids]

does any1 claiming lion > musashi in campaign have any backing ?

[atomic abyss]

Ask goose

[bleak nymph]

the botched patch that was reverted

[cobalt rapids]

so not

[atomic abyss]

There is some merit to be fair

[cobalt robin]

How do I get more special cores?

[atomic abyss]

Buy from medal shop
And actually play the game

[bleak nymph]

There is a monthly limit also, keep that in mind

[atomic abyss]

You get 3k from medal shop per month
And another 5k per month from grinding

[leaden garden]

They give tons of special cores anyway

[atomic abyss]

There is some merit to his argument imo

[cobalt robin]

Just grinding campaign?

[atomic abyss]

Yes
Or events

[bleak nymph]

Hence, 2 UR bulin per month without counting events/fairwinds

[cobalt robin]

Alright thanks

[atomic abyss]

As I pointed out when he brought the argument up
It will work better assuming you have no issues with survivability

Which is, sadly not realistic for most players

[cobalt rapids]

assuming u have no issues with survability u just win

[atomic abyss]

I do think that for someone without Musashi or Rafaello

She definitely will be the best choice for 15

[cobalt rapids]

i agree on that point

[bleak nymph]

Rafaello actually outperforms lion for w15?

[cobalt rapids]

raffaello and musashi are the best for campaign

[atomic abyss]

^

Lion assumes you blitz through the enemies fast enough to take less dmg

[wind oxide]

Prob for mob she cant ensure much survivability for the fleet?

[bleak nymph]

Guess i'll be control for when i hit w15 since no musashi

[cobalt rapids]

you dont #gameplay-help message

[leaden garden]

how about BisZwei

[cobalt rapids]

lower than lion for non lethal 3*

[atomic abyss]

Further behind
The one advantage bis2 has is negating some of the dmg penalty on 0 ammo with her unique gear

[stark quiver]

Wasup qties

[atomic abyss]

Hence why she would be better on lethal clears

[leaden garden]

that's cool

[atomic abyss]

The issue with Lion is, as the screenshot points out
Is that she has no way of saving your 2 carriers

If they get randomly sniped or suicide boated or suicide subbed or suicide planed

So it's up to the 🔮

[cobalt rapids]

zuihou is favoring musashi indeed but i have no qualms about it when the best 2ndary cv for w15 is aquilla which boosts musashi even further beyond

[bleak nymph]

Wonder what manju is cooking to make us rack our brains in w16

[atomic abyss]

Assuming they're even cooking w16

[muted wind]

as someone that got houston ii in the first week, don't let them cook

[wind oxide]

W16 with level 130 enemies

[leaden garden]

is Aquila and Perseus still good on W14 and beyond

[atomic abyss]

Aquila extremely, Perseus falls further behind unicorn

[leaden garden]

time to transfer gears

[bleak nymph]

Gah i forgot to pull aquila on wishing well

[atomic abyss]

Because the battles are long enough that her detriments became substantial

[cobalt rapids]

as someone who grinded houston without clearing the map please let them cook again

[leaden garden]

Is she good,,,?

[tame jungle]

yes for collection

[bleak nymph]

Aquila yes Perseus not really

[leaden garden]

good enough

[muted wind]

i mean, she drops from the hardest content, doesn't really matter if she's good, where is she gonna help

[bleak nymph]

Flex to put on pvp

[atomic abyss]

Well, she is tech at least?

[muted wind]

i should do that actually

[leaden garden]

true cant argue with that

[atomic abyss]

Not as good tech as og Houston admittedly

[muted wind]

... didn't og houston have hp and eva

[dreamy blade]

CA EVA tech is very rare

[atomic abyss]

There's 4 ships that give CB/A Eva,
Houston is one of them

One is Sanrui
One is event limited (Brennus)
The other is a random elite CA (Haguro)

And from what mebot calced

Those 4 points of eva contribute as much to their bulk as the 130 HP they get from other CAs

[muted wind]

i suppose 4 eva doesn't sound like much but when the base stat is already that low, then yeah (and apparently i already have that eva tech so lmao)

[atomic abyss]

As much or more
I can't remember lol

[storm olive]

Haguro is sushi event elite, she should be permanent soonish

Does glorious metas mark get removed from allies when she dies?

[slow fox]

as much

[cobalt rapids]

me.bot.ehp

[atomic abyss]

Probably

[muted wind]

the description doesn't imply so, and i don't see anything in the code that would remove it either, so it probably stays

[atomic abyss]

In the first place why is she dying

[storm olive]

PvP cooking

[muted wind]

most of the skill doesn't work without her though; the stack counter is associated with glorious meta, so as soon as she sinks, none of the effects besides the damage reflection will work anyways

[atomic abyss]

With carriers?

[storm olive]

I just want to know if her marks and the 5% damage reflect still work

[storm olive]

It's a CN cook apparently

[muted wind]

... i think, for once, i don't wanna how CN's kitchen smells then

[storm olive]

I can't test it myself either since I didn't do PvP much and im in the low ranks

[muted wind]

can't imagine in what situation 5% damage reflect would be better than... just having more dps in your fleet

[storm olive]

Lion burn

[atomic abyss]

Smells full of burnt bakkwa probably

[muted wind]

so... this is specifically a lion burn counter? i suppose that... might work?

[south sequoia]

Cn tested it

Its a funny fleet

Don't expect it to reliably work

[muted wind]

yeah, this sounds as far from reliable as possible, but it does sound funny too lol

[wild sinew]

Man this boss is so annoyance never tho kawakaze meta has more hp than other meta fight i encounter

[atomic abyss]

More HP doesn't mean harder

Hornet had way less but she has evasion rate buff
Jintsuu flat out had damage reduction

[wild sinew]

The 1st time i have to bring eldridge in meta fight, coz of the max hp dmg

[atomic abyss]

Did you by any chance fight Rodney meta

[wild sinew]

Yea

Manage to kill her b4
Only this 1 i have abit trouble

[atomic abyss]

And that one wasn't annoying?
The fact that you have to stagger your carriers
Or well, manual?

The key to this one is, use Lion lol

Well and as you said Eldridge

[wild sinew]

Annoying bout rodney the last 10sec she invurneable

[storm olive]

Was repluse/renown annoying, I don't remember (I also don't remember which is which )

[wild sinew]

And then proceed to nuke ur fleet

[atomic abyss]

That's not an issue tho

Because Rodney's is the only meta battle to last 90s

Everyone else lasts 80s

So effectively there's no difference

The annoying part is that you have to make sure your backline isn't synced

For Rodney meta
It was pretty much have unzen or rip

[wild sinew]

Oh right that part

[atomic abyss]

There's also QE meta

With her "bring a meta ship" requirement

[storm olive]

QETA gets brute forced by lions burn now though

[atomic abyss]

Outside of needing Eldridge retro, kawakaze is a simple dmg check

[atomic abyss]

I mean if older metas weren't made easier with new ships, that would be more concerning...

[wild sinew]

Without eldridge ur vg just die somewhere at 30sec in this meta fight on full auto

[storm olive]

There was also algerie who was just a BZ check

[atomic abyss]

There are alternatives to Eldridge, though they're not going to be as good as her

It's called bring "someone actually extremely tanky"

[storm olive]

Or bring raff

[atomic abyss]

It's the first time Napoli has had a strong use case

And yes, raff
Raff comps have worked

[wind oxide]

Someone did a zuihou too

[atomic abyss]

We've seen consistent OHKOs with raff
That assumes a load of tech admittedly

Eldridge retro is just the most straightforward solution

[wild sinew]

Im started running this comp, dunno if they consistently 1 fleet kill or not

[atomic abyss]

She's not the only one

[wild sinew]

All the plane theyre using are rocket plane

[atomic abyss]

The hint is

[wind oxide]

Pretty much anything works ig if the van survives?

[atomic abyss]

Don't use kear yk2

And subscribe to the cult of Lion instead

[eager marsh]

the 3000 bullin cores from medal shop does not count towards montly limit right?

[atomic abyss]

Correct

[wild sinew]

So just swap kear to lion huh

[atomic abyss]

The best comp for this meta so far

Is Lion Alsace Rumey

[wild sinew]

Alrite

[storm olive]

How does kear perform when you ignore her gimmick of buffing CVs (still used Vs anti-light though because what else)

[wild sinew]

I try that comp at night

[onyx chasm]

Is it worth using 2x log for w12-1

[atomic abyss]

Better than FdG and NJ and co
In the middle of the pack so to speak

[atomic abyss]

Maybe
I save them for events usually cos I may have less time to farm

[onyx chasm]

hm

[storm olive]

Would vanguard be a better ship than her for bz lion

[atomic abyss]

Yes ofc

Especially if Trafalgar is there

[wild sinew]

My trafalgar still 115 😦

[wind oxide]

L

[wild sinew]

She stuck in w12 exp farm for now

[wind oxide]

Better

[atomic abyss]

If you're using aurora, use z52

If you're using traf, then you can try Plymouth

Some say she's better then

[wild sinew]

Well her barrage give debuff that make ur bb do more dmg