gameplay-help

[hollow gust]

Large cruiser for example. guam agir azuma kronshdat , brest etc

[ocean trout]

ok which 3 for vanguard for fleet 4 then? napoli and who else?

[wind hazel]

just dump laffey and sandy there and call it a day, very unlikely you'll even use that fleet

[ocean trout]

i see, finally im reaching the end of opsi.. mode made me tired af

so napoli sandy and laffey. need gear for napoli tho

[sweet delta]

They don't need gear if they don't fight

[golden saffron]

I’m at the average of 110 but still cannot do the mission. Am I just blind?

[fluid brook]

needs to be higher than level 110

[golden saffron]

[fluid brook]

.> mean higher than

[ocean trout]

i wanna attempt arbiter hard, thought maybe i will need it

[modest raft]

What does "Deploy with <= 10 Ships" mean

[fluid brook]

Deploy with less or equal than 10 Ships

[modest raft]

do subs count

[sweet delta]

Fill 2 fleets but remove 2 ships

[fluid brook]

~~Uh, says ships not subs ~~ They should count

[sweet delta]

Try it, but you shouldn't need subs. They spend oil

[modest raft]

kk, thank you

Just ran it to check and yes it does count Subs as part of the 10

[wind hazel]

it does?

[forest palm]

doesn't sounds right, but ok

[whole crypt]

that old event with the strange reqs yes

[forest palm]

"old" enough said

[whole crypt]

👴

[proven fable]

guys whats a good loadout for lion? im using her gun and ap and super heavy shell with level 9 red skill (the rest are underway). vanguard and raffaello currently outfragging her 💀

[whole crypt]

same gear as other BBs, is she MLB/leveled and using the right gun?

[proven fable]

yeah

the gun from the shop

[whole crypt]

also she does a lot of burn damage which won't show on end screen

[proven fable]

💀

[whole crypt]

where are you using her

[proven fable]

opsi and campaign for exp

shes in my fleet 2 in opsi for now

[whole crypt]

and where did you see VG and Raff outgun her, did she even get to shoot

[sweet delta]

Judging end screen damage against multiple low HP enemies is not useful

[proven fable]

yeah

[proven fable]

vanguard's salvos are doing like 2k more damage than lion 💀

[sweet delta]

Is your Lion level 70 and Vanguard level 125?

[whole crypt]

that's simply not possible unless there's significant level disparity

[proven fable]

lion level like... 116

ok wait 💀 is the 9 level difference really that substantial?

[whole crypt]

you know against enemies of relevant level range 9 levels is 18% damage, right?

[proven fable]

holy i did not know that

[whole crypt]

level advantage is 2% per level even assuming everything else is maxed and correctly applied

[proven fable]

i see

[whole crypt]

if VG and Raff outrun Lion on reload it could also leave very little on screen for her to get endscreen number from

[proven fable]

also what aux should i use on her? i have ap shell, super heavy, hms, and fire table

[whole crypt]

again depends on what you're using her for but in a BB boss fleet generally just match other BBs

[proven fable]

i see

[whole crypt]

which is usually white shell + HPFCR/AFCT

[proven fable]

ok bet

[small mountain]

Can you show us what the 3 of them are using currently?

[proven fable]

alr

[elfin nimbus]

Be careful in opsi, lion barrage is bug atm, it can increase your CV detection gauge

[proven fable]

ignore the trash shells on lion

i got lazy with hardmode core grinding

[whole crypt]

not seriously relevant CV fleets should do fine anyway for most part, may also be intentional

[viscid swift]

among other things Raffaello's main gun is shit

[whole crypt]

VG and Raff are using niche/bad guns

[proven fable]

i only run unicorn, soon to be perseus once shes leveled

[elfin nimbus]

If that all you have then it fine.

[whole crypt]

Unicorn is better than Perseus

[viscid swift]

also don't spend gold plates willy nilly

[proven fable]

i would use rafs sap gun but the reload too high and doesnt sync up for when my vanguard procs pp

i mainly just spam the barrage too

[whole crypt]

if this is a boss fleet they should all use HE for light and AP for heavy

[viscid swift]

it's still a net loss in damage either way

[proven fable]

its kinda just a 1 for all fleet 💀

[whole crypt]

medium will be a mix of AP/SAP

you can change guns whenever

using different guns like this just makes it a bad fleet against every boss

[proven fable]

i see

[viscid swift]

the fact I can't tell what these are supposed to be for is never a good sign about a fleet's capbilites

[elfin nimbus]

^

[viscid swift]

nor any fleet that uses non MLB ships

[proven fable]

plymouth still kinda cooks tho, agir is there cuz i have no other tank 💀

[whole crypt]

fleets should have a well defined role that are reasonably easy to tell from the comp, you can absolutely use it on more that role if against sufficiently trivial enemies

[hollow gust]

Is that oathed ayaya not mlb

[proven fable]

theyre all mlb except for agir and ply

[viscid swift]

Ayanami is an elite base

[proven fable]

i used to run sandy/aya retro/helena retro in front with all healers in back lmao

was pretty cancer until opsi

[viscid swift]

given the difficulty of the content pre W12 that's not saying much

[proven fable]

then i just threw a bunch of random ships into a fleet and thats now my fleet

[whole crypt]

an "everything" fleet is only something you do early on when you lack options and level advantage takes care of stuff

[proven fable]

yeah, idrk what to put anymore lmao

[viscid swift]

you might wanna give that a read
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleetbuilding

[proven fable]

this literally all i got minus the last 4

[elfin nimbus]

It mlb

[hollow gust]

Use the Ibuki , shes better then both Shima and ayaya

[viscid swift]

then work on getting some other ships up, your lack of CVs is interesting shall we say

[proven fable]

i do have volga and couple others but volga the only one 125

[hollow gust]

It's workable

[viscid swift]

what are you doing that needs 125

[proven fable]

idk

just felt like it

[viscid swift]

there's also the relatively simple solution of grinding more ships up to level 120

[proven fable]

true

[viscid swift]

which should be a relatively trivial matter

[proven fable]

yeah

i do have nj and kronshtadt but no bulins. also azuma

[hollow gust]

You don't need them

Already have the improvements

[proven fable]

which ones?

[atomic abyss]

Lion is a massive improvement over NJ

[proven fable]

ik that one, but what else?

[atomic abyss]

Agir out tanks Kron and Azuma

[slow fox]

-# Agir mentioned

[proven fable]

just gotta level her now

[atomic abyss]

I don't see an anchorage admittedly

[proven fable]

i dont have her

i randomly started cheshire for some reason but im almost done her

[proven fable]

whats the hype about anchorage tho?

[dreamy blade]

one of the best tanks in the game

and also easy to get to dev30

[sweet delta]

High eHP

[proven fable]

interesting

better than agir?

[dreamy blade]

sometimes

[proven fable]

epic

ill get her next then

[dreamy blade]

agir is heavy armor so she takes more dmg from torps/planes

[proven fable]

oh damn, what armor is anchor?

[sweet delta]

Aegir is usually better

[dreamy blade]

medium

agir's dmg contribution is significantly higher as well

[proven fable]

i see

[slow fox]

-# It's not that planes deal more damage to heavy armor - they have bullet types like HE, AP, NRM as well.
-# Heavy units usually have less AA, which makes them less resistant to AVI-based attacks such as planes

[proven fable]

i currently have plymouth as my main tank, cuz unzen glass cannon af

[cold stump]

Need some 13-4 hard team comps possibly with gear.

[proven fable]

sandy carry

[viscid swift]

what do yiou have to work with?

[proven fable]

use flapjack fighter if u use CVs

[sweet delta]

/campaign you can copy a w15 fleet and replace the ASW gear

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Chapter 14 Guide - https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-14-brief/
Chapter 15 Guide - https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[dreamy blade]

what are you trying to use and which part are you struggling on mob or boss?

[cold stump]

Have all ships except recent PR ones

[viscid swift]

and they're all maxed or can be maxed

[cold stump]

Can be maxed.

[proven fable]

what are ur current fleets rn?

[stark quiver]

this is a decent fleet for mob

[elfin nimbus]

Or you can use VF-17 Squadron

[wind hazel]

no lmao

[rigid onyx]

for w13h use 3 cv for mob or else it's hard to get as+

[stark quiver]

did i forget asw or something

[sweet delta]

Don't partially enhance gear past +10

[elfin nimbus]

Which one boss and mob?

[stark quiver]

the thing preset it

[wind hazel]

hull gated

[stark quiver]

i forgot that

[wind hazel]

[proven fable]

actually never seen a triple CV user b4 💀

[stark quiver]

[dreamy blade]

triple cv mob is extremely common for w12/13

[proven fable]

really?

[viscid swift]

knock yourself out

[rigid onyx]

tbh idk why people rec w15 fleets for w13h it doesnt get as+ oftentimes

[dreamy blade]

lack of suicide boats and lots of enemy planes = triple cv good

[cold stump]

Ok will try these fleets

[proven fable]

oh yeah

[sharp socket]

+7 plygun

[sweet delta]

Who cares about acv when the fleet mops the ocean floor

[rigid onyx]

i mean obviously the mob fleet doesnt struggle

[sweet delta]

Oh yeah where's the triple CV w15 guy from this morning when you need him

[wind hazel]

CA requirement lul

[whole crypt]

air superiority is enough if you know what you're doing, supremacy is nice but not necessary

don't go out of your way to fit more ACV, if it works it works

if anything ch15 planes are harder than 13h, by that logic a not AS+ will kill you in 15 harder than 13h

[rigid onyx]

as+ reqs are harder in 13h

[whole crypt]

that's not the point

[wind hazel]

just get both

[stark quiver]

i dont see the point in nitpicking when the ch15 mob can do 13h just fine, while the boss fleet js needs a bit of tweaking to handle taihou and friends

[whole crypt]

air superiority and supremacy is strictly a numerical stat check

[dreamy blade]

indep mentioned 🗣️

[whole crypt]

just because 13h has higher ACV doesn't mean its planes are harder

[rigid onyx]

i mean as+ in w15 is a great help

[whole crypt]

yes but again its not necessary

[knotty charm]

Hi, I'm new to the game. I just got the early summer invitation, is there someone specific that's good or should i just pick whichever i want?

[viscid swift]

might wanna read the pins for that

[rigid onyx]

i think the argument for having a souped up mob fleet with musashi and the like when the boss stage is honestly harder is a bit weird

[whole crypt]

a properly set up and geared fleet will clear 13h and 15 fine even at AS

[knotty charm]

I see, thanks!

[rigid onyx]

i mean yeah you can make it harder on yourself

[stark quiver]

its not harder tho

[rigid onyx]

it is...? you need higher investment into the boss fleet

[viscid swift]

who said anything about the stage being difficult or making things harder for yourself

[sweet delta]

I think the argument that it matters with such strong fleets is weird

[whole crypt]

I mean you could use bad comps to AS+ too and it won't be easier

also just because you soup up the mob fleet doesn't mean you're throwing randos at the boss fleet

[rigid onyx]

i think that if you have every ship in the game its a non-issue, but using 2cv 1 bb for the mob fleet in w13h will make your boss fleet have a harder time since you won't meet as+ reqs

[wind hazel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/939897785992507415/999081712170586292/qekingpopcorn.gif?ex=659dc9da&is=658b54da&hm=389a5b9c48d71f72e9be7ec451828137264a4f0480dbd6a7185370cb01680c7b&

[viscid swift]

for good fleets I doubt you'd notice the difference between AS and AS+

[whole crypt]

good fleets good period, AS/AS+ is aside of that

[rigid onyx]

no?

[whole crypt]

yes

[stark quiver]

if you use good fleet and still notice then you have

[rigid onyx]

it's just having fleets strong enough that it overpowers bad composition

[dreamy blade]

thats the point?

[rigid onyx]

its like saying good gear good period. ships are aside of that

for w12 or smth

[whole crypt]

and forcing to fit AS+ will not be a bad composition?

[dreamy blade]

this was all initially for someone who has every ship in the game available to them

[stark quiver]

what bad composition, have you even seen the w15 fleets, maybe yours were pretty ass, but the reccommended ones are actually pretty good

[rigid onyx]

yeah but like if they ask for fleet comps they probably dont have bis gear

[viscid swift]

pffffft

bold assumption if you do enough fleet threads here

[whole crypt]

and AS+ won't save them from it

[viscid swift]

not like you need BiS for a steamroll anyway

[rigid onyx]

i remember that some w15 recommended fleets didnt even clear at one point, have no idea if they changed

[dreamy blade]

bis gear would only be a difference maker with weaker fleets

[stark quiver]

maybe you should check before assuming then

[viscid swift]

you remember some recomended W15 fleets didn't clear

you know how little that says right

[whole crypt]

a bad fleet with AS+ will struggle regardless

[rigid onyx]

the one in the guide that shows up for /w15?

[stark quiver]

[dreamy blade]

<@&472236072743600148>

[wind hazel]

wow thanks looks very Essex

[slow fox]

User ID: 1332215909988700170

[forest palm]

it's bot season

[viscid swift]

what were those reccomended fleets in the first place, what was the state of the fleet(like were all the ships maxed, gear, etc)

you should very well know fleet can still easily fail if poorly geared and that applies to any fleet

[stark quiver]

did they properly gear the fleet? did they use the fleet for its intended purpose?

[viscid swift]

besides, you're making a mole hill out of nothing frankly

[whole crypt]

the whole point is AS+ will not save a subpar comp if your argument is lack of options

[rigid onyx]

i feel like im not the one making an issue when i say that 3cv mob is inarguably better for w13h

[viscid swift]

AS or AS+ whatever, the comps still clear just fine and the fleets are competently built and not "overpowering" as you say

3 CV mob is an easier fleet to set up but hardly straight "better"

[wind hazel]

as long as it works who cares

[rigid onyx]

you can reccomend something subpar, but it just reduces margin of error

[viscid swift]

a battleship can quite easily dispatch enemies quicker because they won't have their damage reduced by AA among other things

[sweet delta]

Like how ectl recommends unicorn solo healing chapter 15? That'll definitely work for a wide range of players

[rigid onyx]

idt ectl has a w15 guide

[whole crypt]

I know this is safe but this is how low you can go for 13-1 hard

[rigid onyx]

safe

[wind hazel]

my z52 exploded btw

i saw her ramming into the boss multiple times and died from ramming

[slow fox]

-# Finally. Glowworm retrofit.

[weary gust]

Needs more glowworm I assume the "How low you can go" is fleet 1 doing the battle and not fleet 2?

[wind hazel]

now i gotta do 13-2 anyway because meta drops

[stark quiver]

imagine using meta parts

[viscid swift]

and alpha wonders why his ships randomly explode in W12

[wind hazel]

i love my META. one day i will fix them and they will depresso no more

[stark quiver]

ive accepted fate

[dreamy blade]

meta fortification doesnt affect eHP and is thus useless

[stark quiver]

faster killing is better

[whole crypt]

but it does

[dreamy blade]

-# dont tell mebot

[dreamy blade]

oh i forgot it has those bonuses at certain % completion

shows how often i interact with the system

[stark quiver]

more aa = less dmg taken from whatnot
also the straight hp boost

[whole crypt]

to be fair I think mine dies like once a week or something but I can't find better short of maybe oathing 52

one more ship and you're back to using oil cap anyway

[weary gust]

Is there really a need to low oil cost hard mode when you can only run in 3x per day and you get more oil than you need anyways?

[sharp socket]

you guys low cost hard mode?

[wind hazel]

yea i gave up minmaxing and just oil cap it lol

[whole crypt]

I was low on oil for about a month

[sharp socket]

the oil you spend is like 200+ and you get back 180 oil from the dailies that asks you to do hard mode

[whole crypt]

still only in 4-digits now

[wind hazel]

i dont get more oil than i need

[stark quiver]

"only"

bud im down to one digit

[whole crypt]

I started event with 4k oil

[sharp socket]

i spend my oil whenever it gets high and im still not out of oil at 40k pts

[whole crypt]

I'm at 69k now so

[sharp socket]

still got 2 shops, weekly and other weekly to get

[stark quiver]

im at like 50something k

[viscid swift]

I'm tapped out at 35k points

[whole crypt]

already used both shops and weekly

[sweet delta]

#al-general

[stark quiver]

actually, if im at 55k, and only need the pr bps and traf 2, can i just quit farming d3 and go back to 12-1

[whole crypt]

the key thing is just gun and getting GM for CV rld, beyond that if you want/need the prints

I'm picking up gear skins too so there's that

plus chips and arrays I guess

[rapid grail]

trafalgar good?

[fluid brook]

UR from an Event = GOOD

UR from retrofit = Maybe Good

[sinful escarp]

just get the UR from events. at the end of the day they are still UR's

[normal crane]

Anyone worth raising?

[viscid swift]

Implacable, Z52

[normal crane]

[blissful hamlet]

What month is EN anniversary?

[stark quiver]

august

[blissful hamlet]

[whole crypt]

how to quickly get 40k coins

[stark quiver]

wallet warrior

[forest palm]

20-ish runs of 13-4 with speed clear fleets

[whole crypt]

interesting

[whole crypt]

best I have is D3

[forest palm]

Sorry to hear

[blissful hamlet]

Trafalgar debuff better than Z52 debuff?

[whole crypt]

yesn't

[blissful hamlet]

Tell me the case where it is better and the case where it is not

[fathom burrow]

Where is the option to not need a code when using UR Bulin?

[whole crypt]

does not exist

[fathom burrow]

[whole crypt]

are you using Lion; is the boss high EVA; why not both

[blissful hamlet]

Is her debuff useless if I use lion?

[copper pine]

what was the initial assessment of the latest UR?

[blissful hamlet]

I'm planning to use her to replace Z52 on my kearsarge fleet

Z52 would then replace agir in my BB fleet

[copper pine]

why replacing agir?

whose tanking then?

[hollow gust]

Lion beyond broken

[copper pine]

like agir during her release broken?

[whole crypt]

her debuff works with Lion but she also buffs Lion for a fair bit which can affect picking her over 52

[hollow gust]

Agir wasn't broken, tanks are mid

[whole crypt]

Kearsarge fleet is yesteryear

[blissful hamlet]

I don't need tank, I don't have skill issue and my ship never die

[grave venture]

Bro can anyone tell mewhen I build the ship it has 6 hour timer but I launch the build it gave me ssr ship

[blissful hamlet]

Show your fleet

[copper pine]

tanks never die, ah yes... last time i thought no CB was needed, they got shredded in EX

[hollow gust]

Either way , she has more main gun damage then Musashi, has a special burn, and good barrage

[whole crypt]

on the contrary you have repeatedly displayed skill issue here

[wary skiff]

should i be picking purple or blue rigging analysis if they show in the same stack?

[grave venture]

.

[stark quiver]

4h Q is better

[stark quiver]

Some ships have same build timers

[hollow gust]

Have yet to see a fleet beat keary Yorky in light

[whole crypt]

might see revival with next showdown

but in OS just soynak

[hollow gust]

Nahkimov Soyuz was close , but still worse

[blissful hamlet]

Nakhimov vs light

[hollow gust]

Serenity just shush

Go troll in PvP

[whole crypt]

build timer is not an indicator of rarity, just ship/hull class

[tidal crater]

What do I put on Z52?

[whole crypt]

well I wiped the floor with her on temperance last month if you have a problem with that, no current light boss stands up to her

[whole crypt]

when boss has 100 HP it doesn't really matter if you do 150 damage or 1500 damage

[hollow gust]

My york and kearsarge comp did around 62 bars/Nahkimov Soyuz did 50-55. But both kill so it doesn't really matter

Eagle is just way too overkill these days

[whole crypt]

thus why next showdown may see revival, part of the issue is soynak is reliable for bringing own freeze

[hollow gust]

Biggest difference was kearsarge brings her own ARA, and Eldridge exists these days , she tanks well enough

[copper pine]

shimakaze treatment? using the blue gun on Z52?

[hollow gust]

That's the most cost efficient gun yes

[tidal crater]

I'm going to be honest, I don't know how to build a formation

[whole crypt]

thus depends on boss, Eldridge is slow not freeze

[fickle void]

guys are there any nothern parliament ships you can get from normal builds? im tryna unlock admiral nakhimov lol but i only have like 4 ships

[hollow gust]

it's rocket fighters

[whole crypt]

ARA is a good margin but you are also down one carrier regardless

the issue remains no current boss matters so wait for Kawakaze

[hollow gust]

Huh , how are they down a carrier

[whole crypt]

Kearsarge is not a CV

[hollow gust]

Soyuz isn't a CV either

[whole crypt]

yes

[spring basin]

what fleets have yall used for ex stage ?

[hollow gust]

In most boss fights those two are equally mid in damage

[whole crypt]

so ARA only buffs 2 CVs instead of 3 regardless of how you slice it

that's unless soynaklion really becomes a thing

[tidal crater]

Does this work?

Idk how to build formation

[hollow gust]

It's content dependent , and Ulrich is mid asf in most of them

[whole crypt]

given Lion's light dmg it's going to be awkward with kear too

[copper pine]

btw i haven't beaten 15-3

because of the bossing mech on that fight

[gray sphinx]

4 ships should be enough if that's all you have. I did that for nahk too I think. A bit slower compared to having full fleets but it's still fast enough. I like to throw in a ship or two that's just overleveled to hell just in case so I don't lose when I grind but either way you should have enough. Would not chase any ships from normal builds for somthing like this

[fickle void]

but the problem is like I cant even unlock her yet 🥲 to start building her

[whole crypt]

but yeh long and short of it is wait for Kawakaze comps, OS bosses are a joke if you're considering optimizing between rainbows

[lofty shadow]

Same

Also idk what gun to use on the ships

[tidal crater]

Too many ships goddamn it

[storm heron]

real

[whole crypt]

don't try to memorize the role of each individual ship, or at least don't start with it

gearing is far more important

HE BB guns for light armour, AP for med/heavy, which planes etc

[gray sphinx]

you can also get tech points through max limit break and level 120 as well. If you have exp books around from beginner missions you can use some of those to get those ships to level 90 and then chuck them in W12. You can also use the wishing well to grab some northern parliament ships but I wouldn't advise it if you're low on cubes. Nothing you can do besides grind and gather parliament ships through events where they're rated up. Normal builds are never something you should be doing

[fickle void]

ok wait i have like 1200 books time to spam level them to 120 💀

[gray sphinx]

don't do that please

level 90 and save the books for other ships

[fickle void]

aight

[gray sphinx]

you can't rush anything in the game or you're just gonna end up getting stuck elsewhere

finna brick your game

[whole crypt]

well not really brick, time fixes most problems as long as you don't keep making bad decisions

[forest palm]

thoughts on Traffy > Helena in a BB Fleet

[whole crypt]

I stopped helenagaming

[forest palm]

still though...

[whole crypt]

if it has Lion and it does enough damage with traf there's no reason to helenagame

[humble tapir]

im currently on 13-3 and is it normal for my lv 125 enty and 120 kearsarge to be on 40% hp after thr whole fight? kinda scares me since i plan to push to w14 and the enemies lvls are gna be even higher and idk whether ill die on boss wave

[forest palm]

sounds like bad planes

[whole crypt]

that depends on a couple of things but Kearsarge is generally a poor pick for 14 anyway

[cobalt rapids]

show ur whole fleet

[turbid dawn]

Quick question, reading the skill for Lions burn effect is confusing. Does only she do an extra 10% dmg to them or does the whole fleet?

[cobalt rapids]

the latter

[turbid dawn]

Ah, yeah I was trying to compare it to other skills and it just doesn’t read anywhere near the same, usually it’s like ‘those affected take 10% increased dmg from all sources’

[cobalt rapids]

yea its not the best translation

[forest palm]

not entirely sure about Traffy, or 52 Aux but this is generally what I am feeling out

[turbid dawn]

I’m presuming she’s gonna be just one of the best BBs out there?

[whole crypt]

just the new BB DPS ceiling that's all

[bleak mica]

Trafalgar's barrage is good?

[forest palm]

oh, right Lion or BZ, flag btw

[cobalt rapids]

and aoa

[bleak mica]

ic

[cobalt rapids]

the one who shoots first

[turbid dawn]

Yeah I guess the almost 2k dmg burn tick every 3s on top of the shelling able to crit 30k per shell would make her dmg top notch. How is compared to CVs though? Would say Alsace, BZ and her beat an anti-light CV comp

[whole crypt]

kind of Bis in the end because you want her black hole first too, so gun timing

but raw damage amp is probably Lion

[whole crypt]

advent of soynaklion

[solemn bluff]

Should I use my other lion to limit break or just out her on another fleet

[turbid dawn]

You think she can beat Fritz? I guess if there dmg output is around the same Lion would just be better with the 10% increased dmg too then

[whole crypt]

LB

[solemn bluff]

ogke

[cobalt rapids]

fritz is also 8% team dmg amp
shes more likely beating fritz in raw dmg

[whole crypt]

something like that, I haven't tested personally and no relevant light to test on now

[forest palm]

this look fine?

[whole crypt]

med can probably game with hornet for one more week

heavy isn't really moving from ijn at this point

[wanton dawn]

in Letters from Valley Hospital, is farming t4 night most efficient? (tw server)

[whole crypt]

off the top of my head they're all the same, just turn on mods for max bonus

[wanton dawn]

okie thanks🙏

[whole crypt]

level/payout is based on the daytime setting only

[forest palm]

that event was very low effort

[wanton dawn]

yea just need to get enough pt for the cog chips

[next raft]

is this event(D3) better to farm exp or the campaign(12-4) for Anchorage vangard exp mission?

[forest palm]

no, it's not, however you should be grinding the event

[next raft]

alright i appreciate it 🙏

[dusty terrace]

Does AA matter for OpSi bosses (arbiters and abyssal sirens) or can I just slap 134mms / staags on vanguard ships and still be fine? And what about showdowns?

[hollow gust]

It matters sometimes , especially if you are using CVs

[rancid mural]

which series 3 should i make for the quest?

chesire/drake?

[vital dune]

sand diego or unikorn
which is better...?

[rancid mural]

if you are new new unicorn is bamf

[wind hazel]

either one is fine if it's just for the handbook mission

[vital dune]

alr ty

[rancid mural]

yea handbook mission

[wind hazel]

cheshire require less exp so make it what you will lol

[rancid mural]

are the others better?

[wind hazel]

cheshire is probably the most useful one, but even that's not that useful in the grand scheme of thing

[rancid mural]

alright thanks

[solar lily]

so i just acquired Trafalgar, does anyone have any suggestions on what equipment i should put on her?

[wind hazel]

"im rich"

"im not rich"

[rancid mural]

its wild how useful that dumb blue gun is

[solar lily]

mm bet

[solar lily]

its just to proc the all out assault i think (it fires like every 0.1 seconds or something)

[rancid mural]

yep! also which PR ship 4 should i make for handbook

or are they all pretty useless as well

[solar lily]

up to you but personally im going for big eugen (agir)

[rancid mural]

is there actually any decent PR/DR ships or have the gacha units completely replaced them all

[vital dune]

just bought trafalgar skin...cuz yk
just gonna commit on her
any tips?

[solar lily]

i think FDG is still serviceable

[rancid mural]

so really just dont worry about them i guess

[solar lily]

ehhh idk

[sweet delta]

Rich but can't afford +10
Also, hammer for damage

[whole crypt]

what about I'm digustingly rich also lol +7 gun

how much increase in overall dps is 113 between 10 and 13 anyway

[timber hearth]

Guys I want to ask,does make promises to ship gift a tech points?

[jaunty grail]

it does not increase tech points no

just obtain, max limit break, and lvl120 afaik

[honest stirrup]

Something's wrong with my Amagi CV, isn't it?

I'm finding it hard to believe Shinano being 200 affinity (Amagi not oathed) explains the difference

[sweet delta]

Have you read the boss skills

[honest stirrup]

Oh.

So Amagi simply can't deal damage because she's busy breaking the shield?

[sweet delta]

According to a source I found on the internet, it's 2% for z52 against light, or 0.4% against heavy https://suchiguma.github.io/deepresearch/single-113mm-vs-76mm/

[wary skiff]

Why not fire hydrant?

[heavy zealot]

What do i do after getting trafalgar

[sterile jolt]

lvl up her

[heavy zealot]

She good? Without lb?

[wind hazel]

it autoset from previous blue, blame the system

[sterile jolt]

if you want to lb her, but if you have smth to lb than you need to decide first

[wary skiff]

Is any ship good without mlb

[heavy zealot]

I prio lion ( im too broke to lb UR)

[wind hazel]

...for what

[sterile jolt]

so mlb lion first

[heavy zealot]

How long it normally take for mlb 😭

[sterile jolt]

for this*

[wary skiff]

I thought dds usually went tool kit / fire hydrant if poor but I’ve seen multiple people do double tool kit on traf

[sterile jolt]

like 2-3 month per UR ig

[wind hazel]

not having toolkit is really hobo dirt poor

[heavy zealot]

Quite long....

I pray to get more lion dupes, already got 1

[vale flicker]

trying to use strategic search on opsi but always stuck at the end of every stage with the message "collect rewards" or something like that, is that expected?

[sterile jolt]

what? who tf uses double toolkit?

[sterile jolt]

just do 3 pulls per day in her banner if you want

[heavy zealot]

I all in :>

[strong tartan]

its not uncommon..

[sterile jolt]

there's no point to do all in, you know?

[heavy zealot]

Rush mlb ;-;?

[honest stirrup]

🤚 sometimes and depending on which DD

[wind hazel]

reduce TB guidance in settings

[sterile jolt]

no. you can reach mlb without spending too much cubes

[sterile jolt]

just take your time, dont rush cuz you dont really need it

[heavy zealot]

I think i can get one UR bullin rn, imma screenshot

Should i

[split gazelle]

always

[sterile jolt]

sure for medals always

[heavy zealot]

A

[sterile jolt]

idk the DD that need double toolkit

[honest stirrup]

I've never understood this
Aren't these purchases also limited by the monthly quota?

[split gazelle]

no they arent

[wary skiff]

The picture I replied to @sterile jolt

[wind hazel]

double toolkit is super common lol

[vale flicker]

thanks

[heavy zealot]

Just one more dupe...., then one more bullin

[sterile jolt]

well, at least for some1

[strong tartan]

no its for a lot of people, actually

[wind hazel]

idk what game you play but double toolkit is the most common setup for any DD

[honest stirrup]

You're the only one here who finds it weird

[whole crypt]

is this source reliable or is this that weird stig guy again

[sterile jolt]

i dont find it weird, i find it not useful as tollkit and WM, or goldburn or another usable aux

for lvl up something it's ok, but nor for everyday using

[strong tartan]

why would you put a washing machine on a dd

[wind hazel]

99% of DD wants more HP, toolkit is the cheapest and most accessible 2nd HP aux you can find

[normal cedar]

which is worth more buying from core shop, sub gear or ddg gear
samheart chart has both on same priority

[wind hazel]

whichever you going to use sooner

[whole crypt]

also thanks strange stigperson

[normal cedar]

where do you use subs? I feel like they havent been much useful to me till now...

[wind hazel]

daily raid, w14 onwards, challenge, arbiter if you need it

[normal cedar]

oh I see, so its kinda high end minmaxing
thanks

[whole crypt]

DDs generally gain more eHP with 2 kits than 1+rudder, not everyone has goldburn

[burnt spade]

Just recently tried to focus a bit more into the other aspects of the game after years of just gooning to the skins, are these gears good enough?

[crimson glacier]

those planes on shinano tell a tale

the first 2 are both worse than purple options

cuda is fine

[burnt spade]

Yeah I used to just slap whatever I got lmao

[crimson glacier]

for fighter slot you should use something with 2x1000 bombs or if you lack that, then 2x500, and for divebomber the most common option is purple helldiver

[normal cedar]

why is vit-2 so far above barracuda? I was told both are very similar, nearly the same tier
the description on site just says "great general use parallel torp" on both without any further explanation

[wind hazel]

it's not a tier

[tame jungle]

use the ECGC equipment guide instead

[wind hazel]

they just put it that way, sometimes the best are at the top, but they are not a tierlist of gear

[burnt spade]

I see, thanks for the answer

[normal cedar]

oh woah I didnt know that, I thought it was a tiering
also should I use gun or plane in bearn 3rd slot? ectl says use gun and run her solo but im running her in full fleet
it seems to heavily advise against running her in full fleet...

[whole crypt]

@sweet delta I don't suppose you made a table of the relevant ships and their rld at 125 with and without oath with tech variance

[wind hazel]

depends on what you want to use bearn for. for faststrike in mob opsi for example, you want to put a db there

i used db on her for her entire service

[smoky prawn]

Hi guys i need some help, i wanted to make a fleet with Shinano and ask my friend and he said to go with Musashi, Shinano, Nagato for Back fleet and Azuma, Unzen, Shimakaze for front fleet but? Is it good enough or maybe there is any recommendation?

[wind hazel]

your friend gave you a trash fleet

[tame jungle]

pretty sus

[normal cedar]

I see, ill use db then since im going to put her in mob fleet as well
should I use helldiver or suisei?

[wind hazel]

hell

[normal cedar]

ok, thanks a lot

[kind slate]

does implac have oath skin

[kind slate]

noooo

[final magnet]

How is the damage of BBs calculated?

[sterile jolt]

without lion's burn damage for your case

[kind slate]

if u can use hybrid fleet for everything, is there any point in making more than 2 fleets for opsi (mobbing/boss)

[smoky prawn]

Well... idk what to do tho, he dissapeard and im confuse which fleet to use xd

[wind hazel]

are you strong enough to kill everything with that 2 fleet only?
yes>no further need
no>yes there's point for 3rd and 4th fleet

[wind hazel]

what do you want to do with the fleet? what chapter of campaign? or for opsi? what other ship do you have?

[kind slate]

can I get some help in this assessment

[wind hazel]

flash show me

[smoky prawn]

I wanted to use Shinano as for my story im still at ch 8

[wind hazel]

is your shinano at max limit break?

[smoky prawn]

Yes

[wind hazel]

what other ship do you have

[glad mortar]

Is there a way to grind or farm for coins if ur a beginner?

I'm currently out of coins rn lol

[wind hazel]

if you can farm the D maps in current event it's pretty decent, otherwise no you will always be low in coin

just try and farm the highest stage you can do from event map

[heavy zealot]

Should i prio this? Already got Trafalgar...

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[kind slate]

I make thread

Opsi fleet help pls

[whole crypt]

if anything the gun is more important than trafalgar

[woven star]

how are you at ch8 and having 125lvl ships? wth?

[smoky prawn]

Lazy to do story lol xD

[woven star]

right behind ch9 with oil cap

[plain saffron]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Damage_Calculations

[smoky prawn]

Maybe will do the campaign later

Accidentaly use 500 gems for floor 2 dorm 😭

[wind hazel]

good accident

[smoky prawn]

Is it worth tho?

[tame jungle]

yea

[smoky prawn]

Well thats a relief, i was thinking it wasnt cause they recommend to buy slot for dorm

[tame jungle]

ideally you'll want 1 dorm slot and then 2nd floor, because this gives you the option to put 6 ships in dorm in total for the morale regen, allowing you to farm much easier

[woven star]

#bot-spam message

[smoky prawn]

Right, thanks 🫡

I was struggling to find guide and decided to join here

[paper walrus]

i should save bulins for zwei instead of spending on trafalgar right

[whole crypt]

depends, normally main fleet first but if you already have a good comp going then BisZwei is no rush

[woven star]

lion from pull. trafalgar free

[chrome fiber]

I just mlb lion and implacable I still have 13 UR bulin. Max specialized core 40k. Should i mlb trafalgar?

[whole crypt]

assuming you're planning for rerun

[whole crypt]

juts LB Shinano

[chrome fiber]

Isn't that only for pity selector

[whole crypt]

you can afford it save pity for other old URs

you can also afford to finish Implacable then you have the complete anti-heavy fleet

[paper walrus]

Well..

[wind hazel]

💀 13 URin and 40k in reserve, just max them

[chrome fiber]

I have finished implacable already

[wind hazel]

literally max everyone not MLB yet

[chrome fiber]

kk when is the next UR banner?

[wind hazel]

should be zwei rerun, possibly next month or so, soonTM

[molten zinc]

purely taken from the previous Vanguard rerun, probably around mid July but keep 400+ cube just in case

[chrome fiber]

Is it rare for UR banner? Normally how many UR banner releases in a year?

[normal cedar]

4 new 4 rerun banners

[chrome fiber]

My goal from now on will be trying to save up to 1000+ cubes quite close i like to hoard stuff.

[whole crypt]

hm so goldburn Z52 with at least 22 rld tech is already past the breakpoint for 113

[crimson glacier]

is that good or bad

[tame jungle]

yeah

[zenith heron]

is this based on Suchi's recent video?

[whole crypt]

max DD RLD is 27 so bad in the sense you need most tech to get there

was asking stig about 113 DPS difference between +13 and +10 and he had a whole page for it

on the other hand Kawakaze doesn't have enough RLD to make the breakpoint so 76 might be better

Kazagumo also just short

(without oath)

[tame jungle]

do you also happen to know what the breakpoint would be for z52 lv125 oathed 200aff

[crimson glacier]

btw was any of the golds in this event notable in any way

[whole crypt]

at least 7 RLD tech

[tame jungle]

i'm assuming with goldburn right

[whole crypt]

gb or +11 loader

[tame jungle]

gotcha

[whole crypt]

Kazagumo just makes that breakpoint if oathed with 2 oxytorp +13

[tame jungle]

time to grind out the affinity...

[whole crypt]

max tech

[elfin hollow]

Operation Siren Fleet help mob/boss

[summer lily]

When progressing a ships combat data for the shipyard ships does having a full team of the required ships act as a multiplier or would i get the same exp for the combat data if i just have one of the ships

[undone plover]

The current xp missions only require either frontline or backline not both
So sortieing with 3 frontline OR backline depending on which ship u are grinding for is the best/fastest

Also note the large cruisers (agir, brest) require backline for cdc1 then switch to frontline xp for cdc2

Some others change the required factions between the 2 parts

[whole crypt]

every ship that fulfills the requirement adds their gained XP to the pool, there's no special multipliers or anything, except usual XP bonuses like morale or XP bonus ships like Amazon or Langley

so if you have 3 IJN vanguards each earning 900 XP then you get 2700 XP into the pool for say, Shimanto

if one of them gets less because say low morale, and you have 2 900s and a 750 then you gain 2550

it's really is just simply adding them up, the only thing of note would be capped ships that show 0 XP will still "earn" their usual XP otherwise for the grind

[tough talon]

Yall who should I upgrade after I finish z52?

[undone plover]

Lion if u manage to get her
Otherwise musashi > raffa probably
Come back to ask when u have 4 bulins
The answer might change

[crimson glacier]

id go with musashi probably, unless you dont care about campaign

[tough talon]

oh oops, i have mlb lion

[heavy zealot]

Oh, should've prio gun then 😭

[tough talon]

i got her and insta maxed her, prob shouldve waited since I got a dupe after

[hushed sorrel]

its fine you got a lot of time left

[undone plover]

Lesson learned for next time

[whole crypt]

[hushed sorrel]

it would be cool if you add what you proved with that. thats always one of the most important parts of mathematics

[whole crypt]

something were on about some half an hour ago

https://suchiguma.github.io/deepresearch/single-113mm-vs-76mm/ this

[hushed sorrel]

thx

[wispy beacon]

I told u I have the toys and the know how to beat world 15, it's just not wise

[boreal wagon]

not that it is the end of the world but im pretty sure kaza would have 239 on oath

[wispy beacon]

I tested out your theory of musashi mobbing, that didn't work 1 bit

get her in bossing, she stabbed the livin' sh** out of them quick

aight, Imma change my gear back to casual operation, have fun. You ain't changing my opinion that musashi is a bosser

[whole crypt]

probably some rounding shit I took wiki's 125 as base and /1.06*1.12

[boreal wagon]

yeah it barely matters anyway shell be short anyway

[whole crypt]

she should work for both
barrage is good for sniping hard targets because command ships and production BBs are a thing
a bit of a carry over from 14 she also tanks damage for the carriers where relevant
NJ may survive better from AA but her damage/barrage shouldn't really be ahead of Musashi for the same purpose

[wispy beacon]

imo, alsace, and other pre-load barrage is best for mobbing

[whole crypt]

I'm not sure what that sub fleet is supposed to even be doing

compared to current top sub comps

[warped acorn]

how much dmg increase per dmg modifier lv 1

[whole crypt]

preload doesn't really help mobbing that much in late campaign because you're not looking to snipe hard targets from the start of the fight

[storm olive]

What are the current top sub comps btw, I havent kept up to date

[whole crypt]

4%/6%/8% each from +11 to +13

[wispy beacon]

I-19 stabs through ship spam pretty well; and I-13 with bearcats can shoot down some planes. Also, 10% dmg increase for mainfleet is very nice

[warped acorn]

so its worth doing it most the time on those ur like lion gun?

[wispy beacon]

I always enjoy hybrid setup more than pure

[whole crypt]

IJN subs were never there
current best is fishpack with Flasher/Albacore/Archerfish, Wolfpack like 3rd after whatever the non-faction pack was with LdV

[wispy beacon]

yes, IJN subs are very niche

gotta make things right to get them work

[sharp socket]

what is this man cooking

[hushed sorrel]

in the long run of course, but i dont know how it is in the short run. a sr upgrade is that much cheaper and you got lots of equip

[whole crypt]

it's why we don't recommend doing midway for enhancement after +10, Lion gun yes but very expensive, usually we recommend doing AP guns first because champagne guns and sidegrades are gold and are 1/3 the cost of rainbow guns

[wispy beacon]

idk, I just don't find convention very appealing

[warped acorn]

no wonder

[sharp socket]

musashi not good in mob and uses NJ instead?

[whole crypt]

not finding convention appealing != convention is wrong

[storm olive]

Is it worth levelling fishpack > u96 81 47 or is Wolfpack still fine (will be pushing w15 soon)

[wispy beacon]

I tried the convention, and it did not work out for me, so at least imo, convention is wrong

[sharp socket]

did you perhaps use it properly

[hushed sorrel]

yeah i know that feeling

[wispy beacon]

yes, I tried, and did not work

[sharp socket]

like with the meta fleet musashi uni aquila and an appropriate vanguard

[whole crypt]

the difference isn't big enough if you like wolfpack enough to stick with it, that's my current comp
if you want a better wolf pack it's 81/96/101

[wispy beacon]

convention only work for me in this game in PvP

[sharp socket]

and with actual gear, because i can tell you it does work

it was way worse when i used alsace in mob

[wispy beacon]

you are telling me +13 UR gears are not actual gear, okay

[whole crypt]

rainbow gear doesn't mean it's good gear

[sharp socket]

indeed a +13 z flag is not actual gear

[whole crypt]

I wouldn't know if you're just using oxytorp when hull is better, or using yamato gun or z-flags

[wispy beacon]

I don't have Z flag ever

[wispy beacon]

double UR oxy torps

[sharp socket]

holy hell

[whole crypt]

that would explain why your subs didn't work

[wispy beacon]

convention don't work for me

and I got what I want using hybrid methods, so Imma stick with that way

[sharp socket]

have you looked at what the convention actually was

[storm olive]

Clearly firing more than just a preload from your subs doesn't work either

[wispy beacon]

yes, I listened to youtube vids, I saw spreadsheets

[whole crypt]

ah well you do you, you cleared 15 anyway so good for you, but just know it doesn't work for most other people who seem to be fine with what we usually recommend

[wispy beacon]

I can respect this at least

[sharp socket]

well if you want to give people advice about w15 in the future be prepared to back it up when you get people that call it out for being less optimal than others

[chrome fiber]

Do i just make a thread if i need help with fleet building? Il just make sure rn. Will do it later

[whole crypt]

thread to avoid flooding main channel, also easier without slow mode

[hushed sorrel]

that would be for the best. you would spam a lot of pictures

[chrome fiber]

alright got it

[wispy beacon]

No, I won't give ppl advice on how to beat campaign. I'd just give my opinion on ships

[whole crypt]

except the problem is when you do that, your experience also seems to be different from what we have as well

[sharp socket]

in this channel we give advice to people who are expecting to listen to advice

[whole crypt]

so you're going to get push back when you say Musashi can't mob, for example

[wind hazel]

went to play other game and what did i miss? wtf

[wispy beacon]

Nothing much, just some banters

[wind hazel]

banter deez

[wispy beacon]

Alright, Imma get back to war thunder naval, that's where real naval stuffs are

[tropic parcel]

what makes lion so strong compared to alsace that the chinese wiki made a new tier just for her?

[dreamy blade]

big dmg

[wispy beacon]

Super high damage output

[whole crypt]

she just created a whole new ceiling for BB DPS that's all

did jinghao update already?

[wispy beacon]

I'm considering replacing Soyuz with her once I'm done in pvp

[tropic parcel]

higher then alsace? damn alright

[whole crypt]

oh for sure

[wispy beacon]

In some cases, higher than musashi

[whole crypt]

I'm just waiting for people who actually bother to do the testing, but my guess is replacing soyuz too

[wispy beacon]

Musashi stabs backline, alsace frontline, so they are going no where

[whole crypt]

lmfao jinghao

[polar lion]

What is mark 35 torp good for again? I forgor

Killing subs ig

[whole crypt]

is it good for anything?

is that the mildly homing USS torp that has a low spread

[polar lion]

I'm not sure but suchi said smthng about it but I forgor

[whole crypt]

it has a niche you can probably ignore and it's not the sub damage part that matters

[polar lion]

Aight

[zenith heron]

it isn't worth it than the typical Quad Mag torp I guess?

[polar lion]

Yea

[whole crypt]

ask stig when you see him then I don't remember anything really notable, it's also fast-ish which doesn't help homing

[polar lion]

Oh I think suchi said it's good for stationary boss coz of dat fast speed

Who's jinghao?

[wispy beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/bingchilling-gif-10067072887923246131

[honest stirrup]

WM on a DD 😐

[heavy zealot]

What do i do for her gear (im going for her UR main gun)

[warped acorn]

wheres the link

[glossy granite]

Not even MLB 😭

[whole crypt]

the current CN tier list guy

https://wiki.biligame.com/blhx/井号碧蓝榜合集

[honest stirrup]

Not sure what you expect us to answer with so little information

[glossy granite]

Newer player looks like

[heavy zealot]

I mean, in her current equiped stuff, what do i remove 😭

[whole crypt]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

[glossy granite]

Also cant you max limit break your lion

[whole crypt]

change her secondary gun, AA gun, seocnd auxiliary equipment and augment

radar can stay if you don't have better

and yes if no MLB maybe just set her aside for a while, she's got low morale anyway

[polar lion]

Oh CN dalao

[heavy zealot]

On da process :3, she my current prio

[wispy beacon]

457 UR, plymouth's gun, rat gun aa, black pencil, and high standard FCS

[warped acorn]

how shit is this equipment

[heavy zealot]

I go for those ? Oke( whats plymouths gun)

[wispy beacon]

it's not bad if you don't have stuffs to play with'

[wispy beacon]

yup, hit hard, and actually hitting stuffs

[polar lion]

Mk6 be liek

"it shud hav been me, not him"

[heavy zealot]

Hmm, when would lion be on tierlist:3 and estimates where she'd be?

[wispy beacon]

UR PR5 gun

[wispy beacon]

now I think about it, Lion act as a Soyuz on steroid, so instead of 457 UR, gives her 406 SSR

[glossy granite]

I dont know if your aware but this is a newer player

[wispy beacon]

oh, I didn't, my bad

[whole crypt]

poverty probaly something like this

[wispy beacon]

is this feasible?

[hard mesa]

is there good 1-shot BB fleet for current meta before lion release?

[wind hazel]

good no

[wispy beacon]

musashi

give her 460 weaboo fantasy, an admiral FCS, and black pencil

wait, are you talking about PvP? or normal

[whole crypt]

current meta

[wind hazel]

maybe read...

[whole crypt]

which basically always refers to showdown in the context of asking for a 1-shot

[wispy beacon]

no, u can't one shot in this meta

[whole crypt]

I'm fairly sure we already have BBs oneshotting Hornet, but I can't remember if it was helenagaming

stig and/or grey probably tried

[wispy beacon]

helena gayming

[whole crypt]

the most consistent oneshot comp is soynakfritz right now

[sharp socket]

i believe seacat oneshotted with BB only

[wispy beacon]

I thought it was PvP meta lol

[sharp socket]

but it was not consistent

[whole crypt]

was it renhex?

[sharp socket]

seacat = renhex yes

[whole crypt]

I remember someone posting here about it but yeh

it's definitely not consistent, either helenanotconsistent, or just not consistent

[wispy beacon]

and that's the dev's goal I guess

[heavy zealot]

Think i could ez get them...? As a slightly new player, ahahah

[wispy beacon]

in PvP?

You might make it into rear admiral

[whole crypt]

soynakfritz is like 90% though

[wispy beacon]

If you want to make pass that, you will see something like this a lot

[whole crypt]

not really you just need to keep an eye out, even for tryhards switching to cancer too early hurts their own sandbagging

and not everyone posts cancer

[wispy beacon]

check #pvp for pvp guide

I ran this both for my exercise bcuz I'm lazy

[heavy zealot]

Do i buy anythin here :3

[wispy beacon]

a lot

pencils (black and white shells)

blackburn firebrand for wyvern crafting

[heavy zealot]

Ahhh, i didnt know that, ahhahahah

[wispy beacon]

snorkel for subs

[dreamy blade]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[wispy beacon]

yup yup

[heavy zealot]

I think i prio black shell

[dreamy blade]

white shell is more important than blck

[whole crypt]

white will probably be better

[wispy beacon]

yeah, for new player... but you also need to hit things as well

[heavy zealot]

For lion ;-;?, welp, how much acc is recommended :3

[whole crypt]

yes

[marsh sparrow]

worth to spend resource on glowworm kai?

[whole crypt]

for basically any BB really

[dreamy blade]

for everyone except warspite maybe i guess

[willow copper]

Any advice to beat this level?

[whole crypt]

mostly collection

[heavy zealot]

White better than black?

[worldly pewter]

first follow the new player guide

[whole crypt]

what trouble are you having with this stage

[wispy beacon]

depends

[wind oxide]

damn that's the hardest level you need level 125 ships ships to beat it

[willow copper]

Way too complicated, I need shortcuts

[whole crypt]

tap on enemy

[willow copper]

Dang

[willow copper]

Ok

[worldly pewter]

u want a full fleet of the ships that are listed in the guide

[glossy granite]

What we sayin, who to MLB next

[whole crypt]

even without going to the starter rec there's literally no reason to be stuck with 1-2

[worldly pewter]

yeah but better to start correctly

[willow copper]

Ehat guide?

[whole crypt]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/newbietips/dayonetips/

[heavy zealot]

I can only take 1 for now :3

[willow copper]

Nice

[inner delta]

just take white

[wispy beacon]

take white

I think you actually need to hit things first

[worldly pewter]

what do u want to do ?

[wind hazel]

I wanna be the very best

[willow copper]

Why they show me almost naked girls everytime before starting a mission?

[glossy granite]

Idk tbh

[worldly pewter]

welcome to al

[worldly pewter]

u have so many backliners so i vote for z52

[warped acorn]

will help u activate ur neuron when fighting

[wispy beacon]

bcuz those stuffs make money

[south sequoia]

with 101 aug is fish fleet better

still

[viral flicker]

Sword or crossbow for lion

[south sequoia]

or has wolfpack overthrown

[late flame]

if you are not here for lewds you playing the wrong game

[glossy granite]

Z52 over trafalgar? I could get the 2nd trafalgar dupe and make her cheaper but idk

[boreal wagon]

i believe it only changed the order within wolfpack itself

[viral flicker]

.

[worldly pewter]

i m not playing for lewds though still enjoying the gameplay

[glossy granite]

Tho i would say i need something all rounder, campaign/siren mostly

[boreal wagon]

sword is almost always better unless you know what you are doing

[viral flicker]

Sus

[normal cedar]

opsi c1 is for exp and c5 is for resources right

[late flame]

no lol

[boreal wagon]

exp in c1 is a by-product you would normally grind c1 to gain net positive AP to dump in c3/c5 to gain gold plates and other resources

[worldly pewter]

if u are doing c1 then u shouldn't be doing c5
i personally do c6 at the end of the month if i happen to not slacc

[normal cedar]

oh I see got it
I have 1.2k ap left, should I risk c1 farming or just spend it all on c3/5

[wind hazel]

c1 farm is better done in the first half of the month

[worldly pewter]

the maximum eff route is to nolife in c1 then c3 for the last 3 days

[late flame]

i'd just do c5

[worldly pewter]

it is a waste of time of effort i just do c6

[willow copper]

I think it's working

[normal cedar]

ig ill just do c5/6, will keep in mind to do c1 next month

[wind hazel]

idk why you would wanna do c6

[willow copper]

[late flame]

i seldom bother with c1 (beginning of month) unless i'm really out of oil tbh

[worldly pewter]

when u are already deep in the 32th day of the month

[wind hazel]

just start spending your AP now

[normal cedar]

ok, thanks

[worldly pewter]

i still didn't clear the explorable zones 0 strongholds 0 abyssals 0 hidden are done opsi is a chore

[wind hazel]

well start doing it now...

[split gazelle]

i'll do them for you

[wispy beacon]

prove it with ur stash

[tranquil dagger]

Yo I'm here BECAUSE i'm weird asf

[wispy beacon]

I played AL bcuz my pals in WoWs and War Thunder just couldn't shut up if I don't play. I'm here for them and the power creep

and ofc some thighs

[rapid grail]

when did the red/orange names approve of reaction gifs in alo gph chat

[hazy vale]

does glorious meta drop on d3

[inland shoal]

No non gameplay related images or gif in here, thx

[tranquil dagger]

Got it

[willow copper]

I just unlock auto-play, it is ok? I think it may be suboptimal compared to my abilities

[wind hazel]

99% people here play only on auto

[worldly pewter]

use it when u want to repeatedly farm a certain stage
but u won't find it useful until at least chapter 3

[wind hazel]

auto is useful as soon as you unlocked it

[worldly pewter]

when does it unlock ?

[split gazelle]

talking about different things

[tame jungle]

1-3 i think

[whole crypt]

game isn't difficult enough in general but you can try to push a bit further than auto if your manual skills are good

[split gazelle]

auto battle and repeat battle

[willow copper]

That don't make sense, I came to play, what's the point if the machine do all the work?

[willow copper]

Wdym "farm"

[whole crypt]

ultimately you'll be stuck anyway because there's a limit to how much manual can get through mechanically

[wind hazel]

if you like manual gameplay then by all mean, go ahead

[worldly pewter]

is this ur first gacha game ?

[whole crypt]

game will eventually come to a point where you just keep repeating stages

[willow copper]

Yes

[willow copper]

Like in Mario bros where you have to repeat stages to get trophies and stuff?

[tame jungle]

this is not mario bros

[wind hazel]

the farming session can get really exhausting fast if you manual every single battle within a sortie

[whole crypt]

you need to keep doing stages to earn xp on your ships to level up, otherwise they won't have enough stats to move later into the game

also for resources that drop as you clear stages

[tame jungle]

you repeat the same stage over and over again to get resources, be it coins or points or whatever
also just saying, a lot of people overestimate the difference they make over a properly set up auto fleet lol

[wind hazel]

🫃🏼 dont worry you'll enjoy some manual gameplay early on, but later you'll come to appreciate the auto gameplay

source: me

[tame jungle]

source: me as well

[wind hazel]

unloading torpedo point blank is pretty fun

[worldly pewter]

i was enjoying some manual back on rodney meta too

[willow copper]

Auto fleet?

[rapid grail]

auto is game changer; later on you can just let the game play itself

manual isn't really the best ngl, that's going to be mentally draining in a long period of time

in terms of progression

[plain saffron]

does this means it supposed to be in normal mode, or it's because some people didn't get drops from HM?

[split gazelle]

Didn't get drops from HM

[worldly pewter]

most likely hm yes

[split gazelle]

because that was me

[plain saffron]

also lion getting fixed

[whole crypt]

I'm guessing it was missing from some stages in particular, JP notes explicitly said HM

[tame jungle]

is this EN patch notes

[plain saffron]

https://azurlane.yo-star.com/news/2025/05/28/maintenance-notice-5-29-12-a-m-utc-7/

[fleet berry]

Are Plymouth and Alsace buff affecting Lion's burn damage?

[sterile grove]

lol is this a buff

[wind hazel]

a fix

[tame jungle]

i'm assuming this is the crossfleet?

[ornate narwhal]

As a beginner who should I put on the wishing well?

[turbid marsh]

i like it

[split gazelle]

Check the pins, tl:dr its yat sen and Aurora

[tame jungle]

as a beginner you shouldn't be doing the wishing well

[split gazelle]

daily light pull

[ornate narwhal]

I got lion already…so no more limited banner

Also is there a way to turn off the loading screens?

[tame jungle]

there's gonna be a bismarck zwei rerun soon-ish

[ornate narwhal]

But I need to do daily pull

[tame jungle]

i forgot

[wind oxide]

her detection gauge? is this about that thing where she can apply burn to subs?

[boreal wagon]

its about how her own barrage raised detection gauge of herself (in chapter 14 & 15) and how her crossfleet raised the detection gauge of any applicable ship (bc crossfleets are fired by the flagship)

both by an unreasonable amount due to how the barrage was implemented

detection gauge is the thing that makes your ships be considered hidden (the little bar cvs have or any backline ship in 14/15)

[wind oxide]

Ohh

[molten zinc]

fyi

the bug make her crossfleet barrage reveal your flagship

[honest sequoia]

It’s the damn lion fr

[plain saffron]

does new tutorial explain it

[honest sequoia]

According to lars it’s not a bug

[molten zinc]

[plain saffron]

.

[boreal wagon]

i did say its not exactly a bug that crossfleets can raise the detection gauge

but i also added that im not certain if what lion does is fully intended

so no, i did not say its not a bug

[plain saffron]

not guilty

[honest sequoia]

I misquoted

Im gonna get fined tmr in court

[wind hazel]

apologize to him
buy him a house

[plain saffron]

in this economy?

[honest sequoia]

Im already getting sued
I have nothing left to lose

[storm olive]

when used in w15 support fleet, would i want to use lusty aug on her (i already have it from a while ago) or a standard aug?

[boreal wagon]

its fine i didnt actually make it obvious i considered a bug i just explained it crossfleets raising it isnt a bug and then explained why lion does what she does

[molten zinc]

more AVI -> better

[wind hazel]

special aug better

[storm olive]

am i w15 ready then

[pliant sage]

is the 76mm the best main gun on trafalgar if i dont have the rainbow?

[wind oxide]

Damn look at those healers

[willow copper]

Gift him a plastic surgery

[fleet berry]

@boreal wagon Hey, Lars, do you know whether Plymouth's and Alsace buff affect Lion's burn?

[boreal wagon]

burns are not affected by 99% of factors (the ones that do work usually are something like "take x% of dmg of Y and reducy by Z, or laffey capping)

lion's burn especially is further not affected by anything that interacts with normal burns (such as fire extinguisher)

[molten zinc]

I mean,,,her burn last forever so that make sense tbh

[fleet berry]

Ah, I see.

[boreal wagon]

the duration part sure, but it also doesnt reduce the damage taken nor the chance to trigger it

because lion's burn is technically its own DoT type

[molten zinc]

[inland shoal]

Pls refrain from using big images/gifs that aren't directly gameplay related in this channel

[wind oxide]

what's a DoT?

[boreal wagon]

damage over time

[inland shoal]

DoT = Damage over Time

[wind oxide]

Yessir

[warped acorn]

should i continue event or do campaign now

[wind hazel]

DR prints worth grabbing for you

[warped acorn]

alr

and do i buy this when i have u96

[worldly pewter]

a more efficient way is
to wait until u get all the possible vouchers
then use the leftover to get the important stuff

[inland shoal]

Also why would you not buy the oil?

[warped acorn]

alr did

[inland shoal]

If you also have U81 it's worth it

[whole crypt]

did they give lion another burn ID or different dot type entirely

[warped acorn]

alr

[inland shoal]

Then idk how to infer from that screenshot what you have and what you haven't bought

[boreal wagon]

different entirely

[inland shoal]

Different DoT type

[tame jungle]

the oil would be right next to the cola wouldn't it

[boreal wagon]

if it had been a new burn ID stuff like extinguisher would work

[inland shoal]

As if I remember the order of the shop

[tame jungle]

of course you do!

[storm olive]

actually, would zuihou prefer a wyvern, i have 1 more wyvern than i thought

[wind hazel]

it's fine, i would desync the other CV instead

[rapid grail]

it looks aight, also its neat for desync
on 15-3/4, either unikai or zuihou gets the asw plane. up to you where u put it on

[carmine heath]

did medal shop prototype cores always ignore the monthly limit or is that a new feature