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[atomic abyss]

bayard shd be top 5 lol

[weary gust]

Shimanto

[atomic abyss]

plymouth, sandy, shimanto, scylla, bayard, harbin

[sullen birch]

Is eldenbring worth getting
I checked her retrofit skills
Looks good ,but I can't get it ,I need to farm mert battles

[atomic abyss]

helena debatable

aurora and sirius are absolutely not top 10 lmao

[eternal moth]

Do you have her retro item?

[weary gust]

Helena is like the most broken support unit in the game what are you on about

[sullen birch]

I was going to ask
How to get it ?

[atomic abyss]

limited

[crimson glacier]

helena is op for the not useful stuff usually

[eternal moth]

Event-limited

[sullen birch]

Bruh

[ivory pawn]

Pray it reruns in the fall like I am.

[sweet delta]

Top 10 CL by what metric

[atomic abyss]

i put helena as debatable simply because end game comps dont use helena

top 10 i would definitely agree

[eternal moth]

That's why the first question is always "Do you have her item?"

Getting her prepped for retro isn't the worst idea, but she's pretty niche if you don't have it

[weary gust]

I'd put Helena way above Scylla. Scylla almost doesn't even belong in a top 10 list.

[atomic abyss]

uh

top few in CL DPS isnt notable?

[crimson glacier]

cl dps

[eternal moth]

I thought Scylla's barrage go BRRRRTTTT

[atomic abyss]

we're talking about top 10 CLs

ofc we look at CL DPS torva

[crimson glacier]

id rather look at cl usefulness

[undone plover]

Shouldnt rate them in a vacuum rly
Scylla is probably better in campaign
And helena is unmatched in bossing

[slow fox]

???

[atomic abyss]

in general

that is what i meant yes thank you mebot

[sweet delta]

the famous general content

[slow fox]

Same content my eHP measures of course

[atomic abyss]

i mean everything past sandy and plymouth is EXTREMELY contentious for CLs lol

[weary gust]

We forgot Jeanne

[atomic abyss]

@undone plover ^

[slow fox]

And average still 83

[atomic abyss]

like if you consider opsi/meta
aurora, sirius, helena, ply

[sullen birch]

I see

[weary gust]

Now take the average of each hull type but exclude all the trash commons and rares and elites that are irrlevant dragging down the averages.

[atomic abyss]

....maybe jinM....?

[slow fox]

Exclude less than 80?

[atomic abyss]

(poor michita)

[atomic abyss]

idk if jinM would be here

[weary gust]

No exclude them by relevancy. Liek don't include Mutsuki in DDs but include Shima who also has low ehp.

[sweet delta]

Might as well exclude second place through last place

[atomic abyss]

she was in the best rodM team comps after all

[slow fox]

Ning Hai (Retrofit) only ship

[weary gust]

Ning/Ping 🚮

[atomic abyss]

what even is usefulness to be fair

relevance in content?

[weary gust]

You only now ask this?

I'd define it as how impactful they are in their niche.

[sweet delta]

🧵

[slow fox]

I'll need to interface with Suchilist for this and check for all ships > BBBBBBBB000111112222

Because my only scale of ship relevance is eHP

[crimson glacier]

i mean dps useful if you do like tons of it, but does scylla dps make enough difference compared to like shimanto AA or jda aura etc etc

i think dmg is jus something you do by default, its kinda hard to be useful with only dmg

[atomic abyss]

she does have a plane dmg taken increase debuff and aa buff

[weary gust]

The curse of Hindenberg

Outdamages most BBs in the game, barely used.

[cobalt rapids]

most bbs in the game are barely used

[crimson glacier]

and isnt zeven pretty good now too

[atomic abyss]

not including scylla in a top 10 CL list is silly tho
plymouth, sandy, shimanto, scylla, bayard, harbin, helena

throw in aurora and sirius if you want
that's still only 9 anyways

d7p only has AA going for her

so i suppose either d7p or scylla

[sweet delta]

Can such long debates go in a thread, I'm a rookie with a question but don't want to interrupt

[atomic abyss]

wait, i forgot mintsuu

[slow fox]

-# Here is my top 10 CL list:
-# Ning Hai, Ping Hai, Yat Sen, Neptune, Bayard

[eternal moth]

For some reason I keep thinking Ning and Ping are DDs

[atomic abyss]

their base HP is DD tier to be fair

[slow fox]

-# Here is my top 10 DD List:
-# Laffey II, Eldridge, Kisaragi, Felix, Otto

[eternal moth]

Top 10 list. Only includes 5 ships. Peak MeBot

[soft raft]

gotta put the other 5 in part 2 to get better engagement on youtube

[weary gust]

What was even the criteria for this? Kisaragi surely cannot be that tanky.

[cobalt rapids]

mebot bias

[little tree]

Sorry I'll defer you to #pvp where all your questions will be awenserd

[weary gust]

Here I'll save you the trip, skill issue and sandbag

[slow fox]

ehe

[versed pebble]

If you aren't leveling units in dorm and are just using it to restore morale, is there any point in putting food in it?

[atomic abyss]

yeah no point really

[forest palm]

well at that point get the second floor...

[atomic abyss]

also that

[versed pebble]

I have it lol

[forest palm]

second floor is purely for morale gain

[versed pebble]

I'm just grinding w13 for coins before tomorrow, and Im not using any units that Im trying to level while doing so, but am using a full squad on both boss and ads

[buoyant mauve]

How would this double Ur event work? Ik 1 is from builds and the other one?

[forest palm]

shop

[hollow gust]

you grind a specific currency for it, by completing missions and buying with event currency

[buoyant mauve]

Ooo so just event currency? Doesn't sound to bad

[hollow gust]

its very very easy if you at least play the game

[worldly pewter]

not sure about the 3 week event but the 2 week event is imposible to get the second copy

for a relatively new account

[little tree]

@atomic abyss

Does first floor give morale regardless of food in there

[viscid swift]

if my math from Mogador holds true it's around 22k event points for the 2nd copy

[hollow gust]

its less morale

[forest palm]

food has nothing to do with the recovery rate

[worldly pewter]

for a new player the first copy will cost event currency too that is why it is impossible to get the second one

[deep solstice]

just making sure, is maintenance tonight?

[viscid swift]

yes

[deep solstice]

oh shit, then i gotta giga farm xp for plymouth development so i can complete atleast research 5 of the newbie mission

[atomic abyss]

uh

beginner research missions are not reset

[worldly pewter]

yeah i think there is an extra week before

[deep solstice]

oh

[atomic abyss]

no

[worldly pewter]

how much time before the reset ?

[atomic abyss]

tonight for the actual beginner missions

[viscid swift]

they're not being reset at all

the rookie missions are the ones being reset

[deep solstice]

the beginner missions its talking about is the retrofit ur starter and oath etc ones right

[atomic abyss]

yes

[worldly pewter]

in the tweet they said that the missions will be replaced

[viscid swift]

not the research missions

[deep solstice]

ok cool ty for cleaning up confusion

[atomic abyss]

CN post specified only the actual rookie missions

[viscid swift]

just the rookie missions

JP explicitly said those weren't being touched

[sullen birch]

Did anyone reach the middle area in operation siren?
What is the boss of that area

[jaunty vault]

I did

There’s three, they rotate monthly after you unlock and clear your first

They’re called arbiter

[sullen birch]

I meant who is the boss

What is his weakness

[jaunty vault]

You can check their stats by doing /sirenstats in bot spam

[atomic abyss]

it rotates

[jaunty vault]

No weakness

Skills rotate

[sullen birch]

I mean this month boss
Who is it ?

Because I remember every one they are pesfic like CV ,BB or cA
And also shows if they are light, medium,or heavy

[jaunty vault]

is it your first time

Clearing arbiter

[sullen birch]

No

[atomic abyss]

/sirenstats

[odd root]

https://i.imgur.com/dHVaZV6.jpg
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1178745695335895070/1350450049947013242/METAstats15.3.25.jpg

[jaunty vault]

Ok

[sullen birch]

But I'm still didn't reach it

[atomic abyss]

strength, so CA

[sullen birch]

Yes this one
The arbiters

Who is the one in the middle right now

[jaunty vault]

.

[atomic abyss]

as i just said, strength

[sullen birch]

Ok

[worldly pewter]

strength weakness is hitting with armor pierce guns

[sullen birch]

I think I have enough ships for it

[worldly pewter]

there aren't armor pierce ships yet

[sullen birch]

I mean bb

For guns
I will have to check

[worldly pewter]

the normal version of the boss will let u go back to the port as many as u like without resetting the hp bar so u can get away with anything as long as u don't mind spending some time doing it

the hard version is more strict because it is a 1 time instance once u leave it resets

[sullen birch]

I know
It's ok

[paper walrus]

so what do you do in the protocore shop after you buy 3 champy guns, 2 bf and 1 copy from each rainbow gear?

its way easier than i expected, as long as you do pr minmaxing

[undone plover]

u can get a couple saiun kai as well

[undone plover]

pr min/maxing is the hard part that ppl dont do

[paper walrus]

if the season is coinable its just free protocore

[undone plover]

also if u havent already get 1 flandre gun from pr6 instead of 3x champy

[undone plover]

patience is not common among gacha gamers

[paper walrus]

yeah i got 1 flandre gun and 2 champy guns

[undone plover]

there will always be future additions to proto shop and after the initial burst of protocore the income is not the best
so hold on to any excess u have

[paper walrus]

ok 🙏

[inner idol]

What the best light gear for eld?

[atomic abyss]

light as in, anti light?

[inner idol]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

DD gun armour modifiers are pretty much the same pattern no matter what type you choose

so your "best" assuming no one is using the best already

eld gun DPS is pretty meh anyways

[slow fox]

Toolkit 550 ofc

[inner idol]

So just random gun of choice and rainbow torp?

[atomic abyss]

you dont choose DD guns based on armour type in other words

well 100 kai or sth is optimal

but prio that for someone else if they need it more

also, what rainbow torp

[inner idol]

Magnetic

[atomic abyss]

well, it works i suppose

as good as a gold quad mag

[inner idol]

It's not supposed to be an optimal set up just for mobbing to level her and brest since she is on life support rn

[atomic abyss]

if she's on "life support"

the gun and torp wont help

[inner idol]

Brest for heavy and el for light to speed it up a little bit

[atomic abyss]

eld dmg is non existent

all your damage SHOULD be from brest in that case

because brest can just use an AP CP gun

[inner idol]

Oh I meant brest is on life support due to low level

[atomic abyss]

so both eld and brest are underlevelled?

[inner idol]

No just brest level 70 sum

[atomic abyss]

in 12-1/4 i assume?

[inner idol]

El is at 100 so the stage I'm farming she can handle

No 11 4

[atomic abyss]

yeah that explains a lot

[viscid swift]

12-1 is easier than 11-4

[atomic abyss]

11-4 vanguard pressure is A LOT higher than 12-1

[viscid swift]

because among other things you don't have to deal with BBs applying burns to your vanguard

[inner idol]

I'll do that then

[atomic abyss]

and you wont get murdered by suicide boats

[viscid swift]

Also case and point

[inner idol]

I just thought would the 76 mm gun be better to just spam el aaa?

Since her gun sucks anyway?

[atomic abyss]

and her aoa misses more than it hits

[inner idol]

Ah

[little tree]

Is this mvp manipulation

[viscid swift]

Yes

[little tree]

I need to do this for my vanguard.

[foggy minnow]

is the next event build worth to pull? dont have any UR and just saw there is one in it have 269 cubes atm and my UR-Exchange is on 248

[vale spindle]

yes its worth
the ur exchange doesn't go up if there is a limited time rate up UR ship on the banner you are pulling though but its still worth to go for the limited time UR

[royal kraken]

Does anyone have a clip of Renown Meta’s gameplay I can’t find any online

[foggy minnow]

ah ok
just have atm in my fleet Sovetskaya Unicorn (retro) Gascogne U in Main and Prinz Eugen Krusk and Voroshilov in my vanguard. dk which role Lion will have soo dk which i should switch maybe then with her^^

[vale spindle]

like the renown meta boss or the renown meta that you (the player) use

[royal kraken]

The player use

I’ve been searching for an hour now

[vale spindle]

https://wiki.biligame.com/blhx/声望·META there is a barrage gif on the CN wiki thats basically it

most ships on the CN wiki have a barrage gif in this form so you can always look there

[royal kraken]

Looks nice but is that really all?

[vale spindle]

yes

thats why renown meta is not a good ship to use

[royal kraken]

Thanks, I’ll still get her cuz I like the design

[vale spindle]

you should ignore the damage numbers on these gifs cause its mainly just to show pattern not to show damage btw

but if you look at the damage number of the barrage its bad anyways

[royal kraken]

Yea I know

I just wanted to get her

[vale spindle]

all good

[royal kraken]

There’s repulse too they both look good

[vale spindle]

repulse meta has good damage so shes more viable to use

[royal kraken]

I just encountered another problem, I can’t find a video about her voice lines

How come Repulse has one but not her

[vale spindle]

the same wiki page i posted on cn wiki should have voice line audio right

[sweet delta]

How does renown meta compare tp warspite retrofit for single target bossing?

[little tree]

~~ warspite about to catch some strays ~~

[calm ledge]

I know this update is going to be massive but by the time maint is over I'll be out, what point is the update usually available?

[gray sphinx]

~~what’s new ~~

[vale spindle]

check #game-news they post expected start and end times for maint there, it rarely ends early but it does happen sometimes

[royal kraken]

Thanks for the help

[worthy pike]

is ranked worth doing

"exercise"

i find it quite easy im at rank 744
ill probably get stuck soon but grinding it was insanely easy

[ivory pawn]

Yes. Don’t need to tryhard, just use (and win) as many of your daily exercises as possible.

[stark quiver]

its free merits that can be exchanged for good ships and good tech ships
ps dont tryhard

[worthy pike]

alright ill just do it time to time

the event should start tomorrow right

[crisp geode]

Will the next banner cost 1 cube per pull or 2?

[atomic abyss]

all event banners use either the special or heavy build pool
thus they use 2 cubes

[winter quartz]

I just got this thing, is it of any use? https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Celestial_Body

What's up with this µ-classification?

[atomic abyss]

good stat stick for HP (can be used over a 2nd toolbox for DDs)

muse classification is basically for ships that look for muse ships for skills

muse ships are like

idol alternate forms

[crisp geode]

ty, guess i wont be sparking this banner then

[atomic abyss]

in the ideal scenario

you dont spark to begin with

[crisp geode]

I see

[winter quartz]

got it ty. Trying to fit my DZP but I think I only have trash. CL's aux are also survival ones in general?

[atomic abyss]

every frontliner uses survival auxes by default

if you're on poverty gear

this

ideally this

[winter quartz]

[crisp geode]

I have 298 cubes rn, should i wait and see if lion is good and pull for her or skip?

[atomic abyss]

you always pull for limited URs if you dont have them

because they're guaranteed to be at least good

[crisp geode]

Okay

[river junco]

you pull or wait 1-2 years for a rerun

[atomic abyss]

(its at least 2)

[crisp geode]

I see

[atomic abyss]

i would throw all your cubes in till you get her, just maybe not all at once

[crisp geode]

I asked about the cube cost bc i'm at 150 UR points

[soft raft]

Permanent pity doesn't count for UR events

[atomic abyss]

it doesnt matter

[river junco]

those dont apply to limited ur banner

[atomic abyss]

limited events have their own spark

[crisp geode]

I see

[atomic abyss]

and perma spark counts cubes used anyways

[crisp geode]

I see

So if i pull in this limited banner i'll still get perma spark points?

[atomic abyss]

no

[river junco]

no limited counts (200) pulls, or 400 cubes

[atomic abyss]

UR limited banners have their own spark

[crisp geode]

Got it

[atomic abyss]

whatever you roll there does not count for the permanent spark

non UR limited banners will

[crisp geode]

Aaah, got it

[cobalt gate]

So update tonight or tomorrow night

[viscid swift]

Tonight

[cobalt gate]

Ouch probably shouldn’t have reset cat today

[weak moat]

Will past lucky bags return to the game?

[atomic abyss]

if they came with an event, they will rerun if the event reruns

[inland shoal]

(And won't return if the event already reran)

[lyric flume]

Is this a solid team for grinding out a development ship

I’m trying to get Shimanto

[viscid swift]

You don't need Sakura empire main fleets among other things

But sure it works

[inland shoal]

Generally if it can clear and doesn't waste exp and has 3 frontliners of the correct faction (or whatever is needed for the respective PR) it's fine

[atomic abyss]

and it doesnt need to be solid either

tho yes that vanguard is decent

[lyric flume]

Do u guys have any stages u recommend grinding

[atomic abyss]

12-1 or 12-4

12-1 for better exp to oil ratio, 12-4 for better coin to oil ratio

given event is tomorrow, better to grind that instead

[cursive laurel]

do you get external rewards from the private quarters or is it ok to just stay away from it

[atomic abyss]

you dont, so you can stay away

[cursive laurel]

yay

[cobalt gate]

I don’t even have 1 character maxed for private

[pseudo hearth]

I’m trying to do the Meta Fight for Jintsuu Meta to get her, but I don’t have the current best new UR ships for the fleets. And additionally, I’m looking at the old best fleets for it, and while I have pretty much every ship needed, I unfortunately don’t have my Yk2 MLB’d. Are there any other really good teams?

[weary gust]

You don't need to 1shot it.

Two shot is perfectly reasonable.

[hollow gust]

well yorky2 is best comp but you dont need to oneshot,3UR BBs are always enough

[pseudo hearth]

In such a case, what works for that?

[atomic abyss]

triple UR BB

even the old ones work

[weary gust]

Any decently built fleet will 2 shot most metas (provided you address the META's gimmick)

2 shot is not a high bar. 1 shot is often an extremely high and specific bar.

We could try to build you a different 1 shot fleet with new ships that have come out since but given we can't really test them it'd be ehhhh

[viscid swift]

given that the only new ships tahts come out since then that could be vaguely considered relevant is Raffaello

[pseudo hearth]

What’s a good vanguard then? Because I have most of the good stuff (except my Plymouth is currently at like Dev 29). I see Aurora being common, but unfortunately mine is only level 100, would Avrora still be a good slot in for this?

[atomic abyss]

avrora wouldnt help

helena

[weary gust]

Is there a list of previous meta fights? I don't remember JintsuuM's skills at all.

[atomic abyss]

tank helena something else

[atomic abyss]

her stats increase if theres more factions

her dmg taken increases after 50s

the former is honestly so hard to build around, people just ignore it

[pseudo hearth]

Would Plymouth still be worth using not at Dev 30?

[weary gust]

Anyways standard BB boss fleet w/ HE guns should do just fine. BisZ/Alsace/Vanguard/Tank/Helena/Plymouth would be fine.

[atomic abyss]

if you have nth better, yes

[weary gust]

Yeah dev 25 plym is the minimum. She gets more dps at dev30 but that's a bonus.

[pseudo hearth]

Don’t have Alsace, Vanguard is not MLB

[weary gust]

Post your dock in a thread.

[pseudo hearth]

Was just gonna do Bis2, NJ, and FdG

[weary gust]

FdG is kinda sus but that still can probably 2 shot if you've got good main guns.

[pseudo hearth]

I mean, would Warspite Kai be better.

Figured

I’ve had fairly bad luck with UR BBs over the years.

[hollow gust]

how tf can you get bad UR luck, you should be saving cubes

[atomic abyss]

perfectly fine if all are mlb

[pseudo hearth]

Yeah

[atomic abyss]

war retro is worse than top SR BBs anyways

[pseudo hearth]

I figured she still would be, I just figured I may as well bring forward the option in case my judgment was wrong.

[pseudo hearth]

I have most of the best tanks, so I guess I’ll ask, who’s the best tank for this?

[weary gust]

I really don't recall what the vanguard pressure was like on JintsuuM. You could try Z52 in front? Or just stick with Ancho/Agir.

[pseudo hearth]

My 52 isn’t MLB, I guess I’ll just do Agir then

[hollow gust]

agir is a damage loss

even plymouth at dev29 is more useful then agir

[pseudo hearth]

I’ve got Eldridge Kai, Guam, Laffey2… I mean I’ve got other options if Agir is that bad.

[weary gust]

Eld would melt I bet. Guam is good. Laff2 might be durable enough. Agir isn't that bad Goose is just being Goose and taking the extremist view.

[royal anvil]

What is happening with the beginner missions in new patch

[dreamy blade]

i dont remember mintsuu vg pressure being that high but whats wrong with agir

[atomic abyss]

it is high

not VERY high

[weary gust]

Nothing. Her damage isn't super high and Goose thinks Plym is the best ship in the game for everything.

[atomic abyss]

but high enough that ply with defensive auxes may not last the battle consistently

[dreamy blade]

you bring agir for her armor break mainly anyway

[hollow gust]

plymouth can tank it down when using half offensive auxes, she does more damage, and she has one of the best buffs

[atomic abyss]

thats not what ive seen

[pseudo hearth]

I mean, she’s in the team regardless

[atomic abyss]

goose im using off tank ply with +13 def auxes
and she dies with ~3 sec left usually

isnt yours oathed?

[hollow gust]

if its jinstuu the easiest comp will be Plymouth Aurora Helena

[atomic abyss]

did you by any chance read the convo

unless youre asking him to bring lvl 100 aurora

[hollow gust]

that unironically survives as long as he has her skills maxed

[pseudo hearth]

They should be maxed

[atomic abyss]

she wont survive

goose please

[pseudo hearth]

Yeah they’re maxed

[atomic abyss]

ive literally been doing mintsuu for the past few days with those ships

[weary gust]

He could always just give it a try and see.

[atomic abyss]

and aurora skills have nothing to do with her bulk

[hollow gust]

i literally tested this with shit ships

lemme open my game :/

[atomic abyss]

im sure you did with high tech, oaths +13 gear etc

[hollow gust]

i ran fodder with no gear ]\

my plymouth with no aux was fine

[forest palm]

man this sounds like some CN goofiness

[atomic abyss]

you mean goose's goosiness

[hollow gust]

Still alive

[atomic abyss]

the moment he said "she (aurora) unironically surives as long as her has her skills maxed" it's immediate bs

[hollow gust]

i was using a lvl 92 everston

[atomic abyss]

CV comp

ah yes

[forest palm]

I'm willing to bet there's 95% chance this can't be replicated

[atomic abyss]

NO FUCKING WONDER

goose just

[hollow gust]

ill do the same with BB ??

[atomic abyss]

video

cos your ships sure dont look like they're very happy

[hollow gust]

you guys act like your ships need to survive with 100% hp? its almost as if as long as they apply the buff in the end they are perfectly fine

[atomic abyss]

stop moving the goal post

the goalpost here is they survive

not "be at 100% HP"

i can ignore aurora not living, but ply not living kinda defeats the purpose

[pseudo hearth]

Uh, question, how viable would the Triple IJN CV backline be for this? (Nano, Haku, AmagiCV)

[atomic abyss]

extremely unviable by comparison

[hollow gust]

that ill be fine

[weary gust]

No stop means very unrealiable.

[atomic abyss]

no stop, IJN CV is pretty bad for light

[hollow gust]

you need to run implacable instead of haku, they will kill

[forest palm]

just dump haku for Imp and you're fine

[sweet delta]

125 Aurora with double defense, Eldridge, and CV fleet is generally below half HP. No shot a level 100 aurora survives

[hollow gust]

??????????????????

[pseudo hearth]

Oh shoot, forgot she’s light

[weary gust]

It'd be good enough to 2shot with a stop.

[sweet delta]

You have two skyraiders and a few hvarcats?

[atomic abyss]

goose, what planet do you live on that IJN CV is good for light?

at least when compared to a UR BB comp

[weary gust]

They're not AWFUL for light just better for heavy.

[atomic abyss]

are you assuming everyone has +13 HVARs and +13 skyraiders

[hollow gust]

we literally use ijn CV reliably for anti light, carriers are extremly fucking op, yes they shine most for heavy but calling them bad for light is just stupid

[weary gust]

No CV comp is good for light without Skyraiders and HVARs

[atomic abyss]

no we do not

for 99% of players

[atomic abyss]

a BB comp flat out does better for light

[weary gust]

If they have all UR 406's maybe.

[pseudo hearth]

It’s fine, got better stuff for BBs anyway

[atomic abyss]

BB comps are just much easier to build

[weary gust]

A BB comp using the purple 406's sure isn't going to do better than IJN CVs w/ skyraiders and HVAR.

[forest palm]

cause every player is gonna have HVARs and 2 Skyraiders

[weary gust]

You don't do anti-light CV comps without those so it's irrelevant whether they have them or not, the point was which is better.

[forest palm]

BFGs work as a suppliment, but nowhere near as a effective

[atomic abyss]

and goose here is recommending it anyways

so goose wheres that ply video with bb comp

surely you arent reseting over and over again trying to get her to live right

[polar lion]

I can one strike HTempy with triple IJN

So while they are not top they are definitely not bad for light imo. The bar is still pretty high for them even vs Light

[hollow gust]

currenty setting up my IJN fleet cause you said ijn fleets are bad for lightt, without raider and hvar

[atomic abyss]

youre not a reliable tester to begin with

you're full oathed

full tech

[hollow gust]

okay? how does that change you saying ijn cvs are bad

[weary gust]

When we talk about certain ships being better for heavy vs light, we're usually talking like 20% difference at most. 80-90% of damage is gear selection.

Unless they have a skill that VERY SPECIFICALLY affects only a certain hull type, they generally perform well enough vs everything given proper gear.

[atomic abyss]

it matters because it affects your "results"

[hollow gust]

sakuras are exeeding strong, amagi makes the difference even less since she buffs ijn torps, which is less liability

[atomic abyss]

maybe bad is not the right word to use, i'll concede that

they wont perform as well than a UR BB comp against light for most players

[pseudo hearth]

I guess inferior would be the better word?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[weary gust]

Not even inferior. The UR IJN CVs are still better than every other CVs in the game vs light except the CVs that specialize in vs light.

[atomic abyss]

are we comparing them with other CVs now?

[weary gust]

When you're saying they're "bad" or "inferior" vs light yes.

[hollow gust]

IJNs lose to 3 things Fritz yorky and nahkimov, they are more likely to dominate BBs then lose to them in all armor types

[weary gust]

I wouldn't call the 2nd best CV comp option vs light "bad" or "inferior".

[atomic abyss]

^

[atomic abyss]

so you're telling me that for the average player, like spiff here most likely is
an IJN CV comp isnt inferior to a UR BB comp against mintsuu?

[weary gust]

Not if he has HVARs and Skyraider. If he doesn't have those then even best "anti light" CV comps are still worse than BBs.

[atomic abyss]

so you assumed he did?

uhuh

[weary gust]

I didn't assume anything. The question was whether IJN CVs are "bad" or "inferior" vs light.

[atomic abyss]

do go on

[weary gust]

I said before that unless you have HVAR and Skyraiders you don't use CVs for anti light.

[pseudo hearth]

I think you both are in agreement but don’t realize it

[atomic abyss]

idek why he's even siding with a known exaggerator like goose

who still hasnt gotten back on his "ply can live mintsuu with a BB comp" claim

[weary gust]

I'm just repeating myself at this point.

[atomic abyss]

so am i

[forest palm]

all this yaking an goal post moving, and not a single video to back up the original argument

[atomic abyss]

idk how much the goalpost has shifted

feels like they're trying to nitpick my words than prove me wrong

[weary gust]

I wouldn't call it goal post shifting so much as the topic changed entirely. Original claim was Plym can front tank JintsuuM in a BB comp. Then it devolved into whether IJN CVs are okay to use vs light armor.

[pseudo hearth]

Tbf, that’s sort of my bad, because I was curious about the IJN CVs since they were never originally suggested

Hence I asked about them, didn’t mean to start a whole thing though

[atomic abyss]

i concede that i was wrong in using "bad"

what else do you want me to do

grovel and beg for forgiveness?

[weary gust]

To be clear:

1. I don't know whether Plymouth can reliable front tank and live JinstuuM in a BB comp. My guess is no.
2. IJN CVs are not awful vs light.
3. No CV comp is better than UR BBs vs light unless they have Skyraiders and HVAR.
4. BB comps are much easier to gear.

[hollow gust]

working on regearing my plymouth, either way as i said IJN CV are fine to use

[weary gust]

I don't have a bone to pick or any hard feelings about any of this.

The only thing I disagreed with was calling the IJN CVs awful vs light, which you've ammended your choice of words on, so I have no further argument.

[viscid swift]

just fucking use Eldridge

I used her as my main tank when I finished Jintsuu META and she lived 98% of the time and kept the other vanguards healthy on top of providing a 60% slow

Plymouth can tank but not terribly consistently for Jintsuu META

and for the reccord, we're not even talking about a Dev 30 Plymouth

[weary gust]

+24% eHP difference between Plym and Eldridge

[sullen birch]

Which one is more priority to make ?

I already have UR HE gun
Should I make another one for another BB ?

[atomic abyss]

do you have the mogador event DD gun?

[sullen birch]

No
If it's the new DD gun
No ,I don't have it

[forest palm]

Twin 138.6

[atomic abyss]

last year alsace/mogador event

the OTHER rainbow DD gun

[sullen birch]

I didn't play it

[atomic abyss]

well i would say mk7 since it appears that the next meta showdown boss is light armour...

but uh

[stark quiver]

wouh forgot abt that

[atomic abyss]

without mog gun hmm

i would say why not wait

[sullen birch]

@atomic abyss this one right?

[atomic abyss]

i do mean that yes

lets wait

[sullen birch]

No
I don't have it

[sweet delta]

Is it safe to assume you have 2 wyverns already

[sullen birch]

But my dds are kinda meh
One of them is rocket ship
The other is one that has pesfic gun
Aka this gun

[sweet delta]

And that your other mk7 is +13, and you have gold plates for the new mk7? Because mk7 is not a big improvement over mk6 until it's enhanced

[sullen birch]

And the other ones ( rare ones )

[atomic abyss]

...rocket ship?

[stark quiver]

ddg

[sullen birch]

Almost their

[viscid swift]

and we have a new UR BB gun in the event dropping tomorrow

and for all we know it could be an Mk7 upgrade/sidegrade

[sullen birch]

I'm saving the electric for it

[sullen birch]

Mk is +12

[sullen birch]

Missile ship

Aka
Shots anit ship missiles instead of torpedo's

[atomic abyss]

i hope you arent using this on them then

[sullen birch]

Yes

[sullen birch]

No
I don't have it yet
I'm using this

[atomic abyss]

dont craft it then

[sullen birch]

This guy

[atomic abyss]

it's not bad, it's just incredibly expensive for how minor the upgrade is

[sullen birch]

Ok
Is it really not that much benefit

[atomic abyss]

unless you have z52 i wouldnt recommend it

[sullen birch]

Ah I see

[sullen birch]

No
Don't have her , a UR blood iron dd right
I don't have her

[atomic abyss]

then you are better off saving the resources

other DDs that use the 76 dont have the FP + gun eff to make the upgrade to the 113 worth

[sullen birch]

Ok
Beside the books that has question marks will be used to get more books for a wyvern

[atomic abyss]

do remember that not crafting if you're unsure of your needs is also a valid strategy

[sullen birch]

I'm grinding opsi now
I'm doing strong hold now

[sullen birch]

Example?

Ok
I need a second wyvern for mob fleet
For independence

[atomic abyss]

what i mean is

[sullen birch]

I have one wyvern
But second one
Could be useful

[slender turtle]

Is shimanto still a good ship without having fs5 done?

[viscid swift]

yes

[atomic abyss]

this would be the example
you dont need either
so you save in case you will need one over the other

[sullen birch]

Roger that

By the way
What was the second BB gun for armour piercing aka against heavy

[atomic abyss]

for heavy specifically

[sullen birch]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

any of these 3

[sullen birch]

I know this guy is best against m and l because it's he
Because the mark7

[atomic abyss]

no

[polar lion]

Event has new UR gear?

[atomic abyss]

its only best for light

[sullen birch]

I have the one above in stock

[robust mason]

Hey y’all.

Sorry to interrupt with this random question guys

But where is the best place to seek Fleet building advice? Recently got back into this game again and have no idea what I’m doing

[sullen birch]

Yes,I know

[hollow gust]

i thought i was going insane after my ply got died at 20s left, torp bulge better

[atomic abyss]

these would also be the best for medium if you're missing te rafaello gun

[atomic abyss]

rainbow triple 406 mk2

[polar lion]

What does it look liek?

[ivory pawn]

Here. Open a thread, post your dock, and say where the fleet's for. Like what chapter you're on, or if you're tackling some specific content.

[atomic abyss]

it's new

[sharp socket]

about the IJN CV bad for light thing, id put it at about equal to BB comp with no hvar and skyraider

[atomic abyss]

there is no image

[sullen birch]

Rafaello gun ?

[polar lion]

Oh okay

[sharp socket]

that is running amagi shinano avp

[sullen birch]

I was going to send it

[sharp socket]

vs soyuz alsace vanny

however i didn't have aurora in either of those fleets at the time and BB had like 3 helena procs

[viscid swift]

we have a few fleet building guides but you can also start a thread, post your dock along with what content these fleets will be for

[robust mason]

Fleet building advice

[hollow gust]

fuck i cant post it, oh well ply on average dies at 6-10 seconds left , which is enough to proc her final buff; more then sufficent

[sweet delta]

Great now set tech to 0 and divorce her

[hollow gust]

i cant divorce her :(

[ivory pawn]

Grind affinity to 0?

[sharp socket]

[hollow gust]

pretty sure the buff retains

yeah its not worth it,

[whole crypt]

last light showdown was Jintsuu right?

[hollow gust]

should be ya

[whole crypt]

wait no Wichita

[sweet delta]

There was also kirov in between

[whole crypt]

guess I could stick it with Kear comp first

depends

in most cases Mk6 will do the job

[atomic abyss]

green is the most universal

if you dont want to think about gears too much that

if not, the twin 410 you mentioned

[pastel scaffold]

Does changing game servers get rid of my stuff?

[hollow gust]

460 on UVH is fine , only problem would be during light armor

[atomic abyss]

yes

well

not permanently

it's essentially a different save file

[pastel scaffold]

Ohh

[night patio]

If we missed getting all the somatic pieces from the battlepass (i think?), is there any way currently to get them another way?

that is for floch meta btw

[robust mason]

Is that Foch 😭

[ivory pawn]

They'll show up in META shop at some point.

[atomic abyss]

added to meta shop EVENTUALLY

[night patio]

foch * XD and thank yall for letting me know

[hollow gust]

Foch is gonna be a long long time

what i cooked for ijn took a fat L, only 900k without sky raider/helena/ rocket fighters

[sharp socket]

did vanguard live all strikes?

[sweet delta]

Why ban bf109g

[hollow gust]

i guess i can use Bf too

[hollow gust]

CVs finish strikes way earlier so vanguards dont need to live as long, although z52 is tankier then ply so not really a problem

[undone plover]

is this 3 strike or 4?

[hollow gust]

tres

this can work

[undone plover]

honestly go full vit 2 + elite manjuu imo

[hollow gust]

makes timing more annoying, prefer manjuu

bf109s are def better, but i was using torp bombers since thats what they should be investing in

[sweet delta]

With so much pr7 investment just laugh at anyone who has la9 and no hvarcat

[molten lance]

Best BB main gun to farm for

[undone plover]

wonder how this will work 2 strikes are after she debuffs
if u are going for torp only challenge this might be better than 3 strike actually

[hollow gust]

How many people are insane enough to max 6 saiuns

[undone plover]

but obv not newbie friendly with 6x saiun

[sweet delta]

19s is too slow

[hollow gust]

Cause I'm not lol

[sweet delta]

Some people are insane enough to max 6 ryuuseis

[dreamy blade]

uh do you mean farm for as in farming map drops for blueprints? bc the answer is none of them

[sharp socket]

well i can have 6 saiuns
+10

[hollow gust]

6 vit are justifiable though

[sharp socket]

you can just +13 2 of them and leave the rest

[hollow gust]

Then that's a damage loss in comparison

[dreamy blade]

the best easily obtainable bb guns are the 406mk6 (purple from tech boxes) and triple406/50 aka champy gun (protocore)

[eternal moth]

I feel called out

Do we have any info on what the new triple 406 rainbow gun does, if it might be HE or AP?

[sweet delta]

It might be HE, AP, or neither

[molten lance]

Just in general

[dreamy blade]

then refer to #gameplay-help message

[hollow gust]

It's prob he , stupid British he slinging BBs ruining my life

[undone plover]

early game use triple 406 mk6 purple HE gun everywhere
buy 2x champy gun from pr3 in protocore shop
buy 1 flandre gun from pr6 in protocore shop
eventually grab 1 NJ gun in gear lab
eventually grab 1 twin 457 from prototype shop
grab new UR gun from event tomorrow

[dreamy blade]

for reference flandre gun, nj gun

[forest palm]

Potentially Normal Ammo since it's the successor to the BL 16" Mk1 (Nelson's Gun) which in game is Normal Ammo

my bet with the BL 16" Mk2 is Normal or HE

[molten lance]

Appreciated

[wicked obsidian]

Hay, need to lvl up one of my Ships Skill to lvl 5 but....what's this!!!!!!!!!

I can see a lot of stuff

[hollow gust]

takes some time in the beginning thats normal

[wicked obsidian]

Each of these book says different things...so, how do I know which to use ??

[versed pebble]

Is wishing well event even worth it?

[hollow gust]

match color with color

[versed pebble]

Use the ones that show exp bonus

[forest palm]

can be, but the UR banner is more important

[versed pebble]

For the ur banner, is this one where chasing copies of ur is actually worth?

[hollow gust]

EN shouldnt be getting wishingwell as far as im aware?

[wicked obsidian]

Same for always lvling up skills ??

[forest palm]

literally look at #game-news

[forest palm]

For the UR Banner you just get 1 copy of the UR and that's it

[versed pebble]

Why stop at the 1st copy? Isn't farming for ur bulins a massive pain?

[forest palm]

not really, also better to save Cubes where you can

[versed pebble]

gotcha

[forest palm]

also the devs are improving UR Bulin income

[versed pebble]

Really? I thought the avg was a bit above 1 per month

[wind hazel]

it's more. but now it's gonna be even more...rer

[forest palm]

1.5 technically btw

[wicked obsidian]

In Skill book ....
Does the T1 T2 T3 only mean the amount of exp resived to lvl up skill ???
Or any other meaning

[versed pebble]

That's still like 3 months to cap out a ur owo

[split moon]

slightly more because of ur events and stuff

[dreamy blade]

UR events have UR bulins as milestone rewards

[versed pebble]

ah

[dreamy blade]

including reruns

[wind hazel]

gonna be 2 now, just from 5k farm+3k medal

[soft raft]

they're different rarities yes
Higher rarity = more XP per book and longer time

[split moon]

medal?

[wind hazel]

not including cruise and event

[dreamy blade]

as of now you are behind until you play for ~2 years and there are UR event reruns for which you already have the UR, idk what changes they are implementing for bulin income

[soft raft]

Yop

[wind hazel]

you can buy specialized core from medal shop

[split moon]

oh

[dreamy blade]

and that medal shop spec core does not count towards the normal monthly limit for the spec core you farm naturally

[versed pebble]

So 6k per month from that, which is why they said 1.5 per month, ignoring events and cruise

[wicked obsidian]

Ok..Tnx

[eternal moth]

They're increasing it to 8k total

[crisp geode]

Does the wishing well event work on the limited banner or its gonna be a separate banner?

[versed pebble]

Really? Where was that mentioned?

[eternal moth]

If it's not in EN patch notes it was in the JP notes

[wind hazel]

separate

[crisp geode]

rip

[eternal moth]

Wishing Well is only perma-ships

[wind hazel]

basically do your event pull, then jump on WW if you want to

[crisp geode]

I dont have any of the URs from the perma banner, might as well drop some there

[plain saffron]

EN says they added it to medal shop which sound weird

[dreamy blade]

are there any perma ships people usually go for besides aquila

[plain saffron]

Because it already exists

[wind hazel]

aurora

[eternal moth]

I'd only do WW if you have A LOT of extra cubes. There are multiple collabs coming up within a short amount of time.

[wind hazel]

you should still do wishing well

[dreamy blade]

the 2 BSR collab ships are free no?

[versed pebble]

[wind hazel]

just pick Light build and do it at least 1 per day lol

[plain saffron]

But there's gonna be more than those 2

[eternal moth]

They're increasing the amount, with the later 2k additional costing more

[versed pebble]

BSR is referring to Black Rock Shooter?

[plain saffron]

I guess it's like separate?

[wind hazel]

BRS 😭

[dreamy blade]

black shock rooter

[eternal moth]

Black Rock Shooter, Atelier Ryza rerun, and then Atelier Yumina

[crisp geode]

Ah shit

[versed pebble]

When does top up reset? (basically when is ani)

[crisp geode]

Need to save for Ryza and Yumia then

[wind hazel]

August

[plain saffron]

August

[versed pebble]

Plenty of time then

[soft raft]

August for Global
May for CN
Sept for JP

[dreamy blade]

so if i go for aquila i have to pick a 2nd ship from the special pool right? who would be good for that

[eternal moth]

I'm not sure, it might be like PR coining where each one is increasingly more expensive

[wind hazel]

volga maybe

[plain saffron]

What your subs situation

[versed pebble]

If you get one of the ships in WW, can you switch after that and keep pulling?

[undone plover]

Albion

[plain saffron]

Nope

[wind hazel]

no switcherino

[soft raft]

nope

[undone plover]

2 ACC tech

[wind hazel]

what you picked will be fixed until end of WW

[versed pebble]

Does ww work with ur?

[plain saffron]

Yes

[dreamy blade]

rn i use u96/u81/ldv, i have u47 but am procastinating raising her

[wind hazel]

just go for aquila and volga

[vale spindle]

the monthly limit is still 5k
medal shop was previously 1k (that didn't count to this 5k), now they increased medal shop to 3k

[eternal moth]

Correct, that's what I was trying to say

[vale spindle]

so yes total 8k

[molten zinc]

So instead of 1.5 bulin we now get a whole 2 bulins

[wind hazel]

but sam... steel... is heavier than feather

[versed pebble]

Geesh. The classic stupid trap question: which is heavier 1 ton of feathers or 1 ton of steel?

[weary gust]

Are there going to be new ships in the Ryza collab rerun?

[wind hazel]

we dont know

[vale spindle]

likely yes, i expect it to be very similar to gridman rerun

[eternal moth]

You should now be able to get 5 bulins every 2 months fairly easily, with the addition of the cruise pass

[undone plover]

They also mentioned another atelier* ip as well with the announcement
So very probable

[forest palm]

Ryza 2 + 3 collab

[jaunty violet]

CN maintain, how long we have datamine?

[forest palm]

a long while

[wind hazel]

wait another 2hr ish

[wicked obsidian]

How do you get those Red 💎 Diamond???

💰?

[wind hazel]

f2p method include collection, 3star campaign, commissions

[dreamy blade]

and very rarely as gifts from manjuu

[wicked obsidian]

Dammm...

[wicked obsidian]

Commission... let me guess 3 per Commission

[soft raft]

lmfao you wish

[wicked obsidian]

1

[soft raft]

there's 2 layers of RNG for Gem comissions
1 layer of RNG to even get one in the first place
Another layer of RNG to see if you actually get any gems or not

[wicked obsidian]

0.5 / half ?

[wind hazel]

no you can get as high as 50+

like this

but getting gem commission is rare. getting the gem itself is also rare

[wicked obsidian]

Hmm... it's on luck ha.

[dreamy blade]

half a dock slot

[wind hazel]

more like a quarter

[soft raft]

^

[stark quiver]

its more than a quarter

[dreamy blade]

isnt it 200 for 2 slots

[wicked obsidian]

U guys want more dock !!

[soft raft]

it's 200 for 10 dock slots

[stark quiver]

200 for 10

[wicked obsidian]

What the hek

[dreamy blade]

oops en moment

[faint cloud]

the upper limit of gems is 80 or 78 or other?

[wicked obsidian]

I thought the most effective way was to buy only the Outfits

[dreamy blade]

not for f2p

[soft raft]

hell no

that's a 💳 thing

[wicked obsidian]

So F2p s can't get any outfits

[whole crypt]

I've seen higher but 🎲

[faint cloud]

manjuu occasionally give free skins

[hollow gust]

i got a 100+ one

[wind hazel]

oh yeah?!

[hollow gust]

pretty sure

[whole crypt]

we don't know the actual roll range anyway

[soft raft]

Screenshots or it didnt happen smh my head

[dreamy blade]

if you play for a very long time + be very lucky you might eventually reach a point where you no longer need the dock space as much, but yes usually f2p cant buy skins

[faint cloud]

so the limit is not 80?

[hollow gust]

never gonna happen, all free gems go to dock

[wicked obsidian]

Who's this manjuu ??
The Dev's!

[whole crypt]

highest I remember getting was 80s or 90s so I'm not ruling out 100+

[hollow gust]

i pay for all my rings and skins

[dreamy blade]

just be luckier

[weary gust]

Does anyone have 6 la9's?

[wicked obsidian]

Luck is like your Step mother...
Never mention it...

[viscid swift]

Ryza and Yumina will be one event not 2 most likely

[tidal meteor]

I have four, working on fifth

[viscid swift]

apart from anything else Yumina doesn't have enough characters for a full collab

[eternal moth]

They were on separate slides, making me think it's 2 events.

[viscid swift]

I machine translated what they said

it definitely leaned more towards the usual rerun rather than 2 seperate events

let me find it actually

[slow fox]

So glad I don't do dps

[wicked obsidian]

Wow...the game just won't let anyone play F2P..

[undone plover]

The game gives enough gems for 3-4 quality skins but rly not recommended to do that since u will miss on a lot of QoL stuff

[stark quiver]

what if skins are my qol

[hoary relic]

i thought skins were never for f2p

especially L2D

[wind hazel]

both rerun and yumia released at the same time

[slow fox]

Are you buying smaller CV skins so the splash takes less time to load

[viscid swift]

again

machine translated but it's pretty difficult to interpret this as anything other than a singular event

[fringe sail]

Us

I ain't even planning to whale but I funded the game because they gave me what I wanted 💀🙏

[hoary relic]

like what gooners like us want?

[viscid swift]

#al-general

[fringe sail]

Moving on since I think we get off course

Is the AA I equiped to sandy good? Or should I replace it with a different one?

Have no UR AA yet

[stark quiver]

give her a twin 113

[hoary relic]

isnt that 113 is the best SR AA?

[fringe sail]

Tbf I dunno 😭

[stark quiver]

^

[fringe sail]

Thanks

[stark quiver]

thats the best aa you have atm
twin 40mm goes on bbs
quad bofors are fine

[wind hazel]

give these to your backline

and wtf is this, dont focus PR1

[stark quiver]

[fringe sail]

Last question

I also don't know about torpedoes

Are the torps on Shimakaze and Ibuki just fine?

[fringe sail]

That's one of the earliest SR AA I got 💀

[wind hazel]

you don't have better, so they are fine

[hoary relic]

i crafted 1 wyvern, 1 10rai, what should i craft now or save up my mat?

[fringe sail]

Thanks guys

[hollow gust]

It's not but it's sufficient enough early game

[hoary relic]

so sextuple is the best SR AA?

[wind hazel]

"best" can depends

[novel solstice]

"best" depends on what you are doing with it.

[wind hazel]

but yes usually you want sextuple on sandiego

[hoary relic]

what about mk37? is that so exp to equip a UR AA on vanguard fleet?

[novel solstice]

The STAAG gives +hit, which you love on backliners, so is usually recommended for them.
The sextuple goes on sandy, it does maximum damage to enemy planes.
The one that gives +fp often goes on your other frontliners to maximize their usefulness against ships.

[wind hazel]

if you can afford it, it's good

six 76 is legit

[hoary relic]

any guides for me?

[wind hazel]

ask again after maintenance

[limpid warren]

Was there any news on gem rewards for the CN anniversary coming up tomorrow?

[novel solstice]

The "roomba" twin 113 is an all-around good AA gun with a long range, and is easier to get than the sextuple so it's a good gun to use on frontliners if you're new.

[wind hazel]

we dont get them

[limpid warren]

Ah, CN only. K

[wind hazel]

yes, we'll get ours on August

[acoustic topaz]

Basic guideline for AA guns is:
high aa = sexbofor or twin 113 max two per fleet
Low AA: quadbofor or FP ones if minmax
BBs: staag or the other with hit

[viscid swift]

uhhhh

[weary gust]

CVls get HIT AA too.

[viscid swift]

no

[wind hazel]

[acoustic topaz]

You might want to consider using also the Twin 113 on cvl due to the range

[novel solstice]

Hazemeyer is the name of the other +hit if you don't have STAAGs

[viscid swift]

the basic would be Roomba on all vanguards and staggs on all main fleets

Quad Bofors are just mediocre

[viscid swift]

wait why?

[wind hazel]

gear lab update no? who knows dive bomber goated

[viscid swift]

the gear lab update is only bringing us Shima torps

[hoary relic]

i unlocked nahk before agir so uh should i dev her while getting tech points for agir?

[viscid swift]

Breguet and some probably useless other peices of gear

[wind hazel]

french DB and another..... i think DD gun?

[sharp socket]

is shima torp good

[viscid swift]

an IJN DD gun yeah

[stark quiver]

other than some very niche cases not used, teatorp better\

[acoustic topaz]

They aren’t magnetic so

[viscid swift]

not a DB, it's just the Breguet

[wind hazel]

what? it's LN some number

LN401

that's not breguet lol

[eternal moth]

There are 2 planes being added, baguette and something else

[viscid swift]

Br 810 is the Breguette

[tidal meteor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loire-Nieuport_LN.401?wprov=sfla1

[sharp socket]

LN401 sounds french too

[wind hazel]

because it is

[hoary relic]

[wind hazel]

Light Novel 401, your new isekai

[viscid swift]

I mean

[eternal moth]

In a Different World With My Rigging

[viscid swift]

sure, but I wouldn't have my hopes up

[weary gust]

"I read 401 light novels and didn't sleep for three years and then I died and woke up in a different world"

[tidal meteor]

DB with capacity for 1×496lb bomb
Gold
Yet another Manjuu moment™️

[acoustic topaz]

That time when I reincarnated into a torpedo bomber

[wind hazel]

yeah still, no harm wait another 12hr to craft something with your precious gear lab mats lol

[viscid swift]

fair enough

[wind hazel]

maybe same performance as helldiver, but with armor break?!

break deez

[tidal meteor]

[faint cloud]

he gun

[hoary relic]

[viscid swift]

called it

[ember totem]

have fun with your translation machines

[tidal meteor]

Zamn
How's it compared to NJ gun?

[ember totem]

[stark quiver]

go translate and see

[atomic abyss]

maybe ask after we look at them

[stark quiver]

hmm its translated, but just go cross reference

[eternal moth]

Slightly lower damage, slightly faster, 5 more light

[wind hazel]

https://space.bilibili.com/4305299/dynamic the rest of the entire list

[hoary relic]

wait is this gun from event shop or gear lab?

[atomic abyss]

shop

[hoary relic]

mhm 10k points for it right?

[eager mulch]

datamine?

[sweet delta]

Straight up better than mk7

[eternal moth]

162 for new gun, 167 for mk7. Speed 23.32 vs 24.22, 145-110-90 vs 140-110-90

[stark quiver]

hmmm, it appears to be yes

[wind hazel]

good thing i havent +13 3rd mk7

[hoary relic]

yikes, the new HE gun gonna help me save rss crafting mk7

[stark quiver]

hmm rip my plates, recently +13 a mk7 too

[hoary relic]

who crafted 3rd mk7 belike:

[sweet delta]

[acoustic topaz]

It’s fine. Still might be useful for better synching due to diff reload time

[sharp socket]

good thing i have only 1 mk7

[atomic abyss]

not much diff between mk7 and this

after accounting for reload jam it doesnt make much difference

[sharp socket]

is that 3x170% main gun efficiency

while having more fp than sushi

[hollow gust]

Shes a cool ship

[ivory pawn]

"Main gun reload limit +1" Huh, neat.

[south sequoia]

181 rld is pretty high damn

[atomic abyss]

higher than vanny

[atomic abyss]

syncing is going to be a royal pain lol

[hollow gust]

That doesn't matter though, she doesn't have rld buff

[sharp socket]

whats the (192)

[eternal moth]

170% eff? That seems REALLY high

[south sequoia]

Oh shit lion is going all out on the debuff department

[sharp socket]

is that lv 125

[faint cloud]

but don't have rld buff

[south sequoia]

Increased damage taken, increase critical dmg taken, increase chance to get hit critically

[sharp socket]

highest for UR BBs is 155%

[south sequoia]

oath

[hollow gust]

Either way , she will be fine to sync

[sharp socket]

ok that reload is busted indeed

[faint cloud]

who's the highest rld ur with buff counted tho

[south sequoia]

I wonder if we can have her equip 460 with radar

[eternal moth]

Holy crap, she can set multiple ships on fire

[south sequoia]

prior to lion, vanny

[faint cloud]

bisco or vanny

[south sequoia]

vanny loads herself up with a shit ton of rld

[ember totem]

why do you have +2 AA fleet tech yes i'm aware it's dido class stuff

[south sequoia]

am I good atleast

[hollow gust]

you guys realize shes slower then Nj right?

[eager mulch]

what the new ships do

[sharp socket]

truffles is AA boat

[slow fox]

Am I reading this as:

5% HPBoost
10% EVARate
15% AABoost
15% DmgRed?

[hollow gust]

yeah shes preeety slow

[eager mulch]

holy ehp

[atomic abyss]

did you miss the "A rank" AA on the stat chart

[south sequoia]

it's own manueverability attribute is increased by 15%

what the hell is manueverability

[slow fox]

EVA

[south sequoia]

Oh

[viscid swift]

conqueror leg mog moment

[south sequoia]

seems like pvp shill

[sharp socket]

i was told that the stat chart should be disregarded

[viscid swift]

am I right turtle

[atomic abyss]

considering z52 had A rank AA

[slow fox]

Assuming 10% HPBoost because one boss in the field

[south sequoia]

wow I am actually decent

[eager mulch]

I have not looked at conq leg mod

[viscid swift]

gives her Thunderer rudder shift

[hollow gust]

Alsace 187
Soyuz 192.5
Bismarck 207
Lion 192
Musashi 181
Nj 200

[eager mulch]

right

what does the 2/1/3 on lion main gun mean

[viscid swift]

no clue

[viscid swift]

anyway, will all the doomposters please come out, I need to fill a bingo

[eager mulch]

what do you need

[slow fox]

Wow Cleopatra only 70% of SD noaug

[viscid swift]

that would ruin the fun wouldn't it

and uhh

does anyone have any info on the new rookie missions

[eager mulch]

did they give Lion a superheal?

[hollow gust]

so Lion isnt a speed demon, shes really average, its gonna be a breeze syncing her

[south sequoia]

no

[viscid swift]

as well as what hard mode stages drop what META mats

[hybrid pelican]

So how is Lion looking?

[viscid swift]

we just got her stats

[south sequoia]

but she has a lot of debuffs and defensive buffs

[viscid swift]

still no barrage numbers either

[stark quiver]

better than a sr

[ivory pawn]

You know how BBs can usually only store one salvo, right? According to that chart, it sounds like Lion gets to store two.

[atomic abyss]

same as alsace

[viscid swift]

which will make her artificially faster

[hollow gust]

man BBs have been getting slower and slower

[eager mulch]

I just think 170% eff on mgm+2 seems really high without any drawbacks, especially considering she’s British

[slow fox]

Musashi sync incoming

[ivory pawn]

The 1 is for "simultaneous loading", I assume it just means nothing as far as we care.

[faint cloud]

trafalgar
10 fp, 10 hit, 15aa, 2 aa debuff, 15 spd debuff
when flagship fires, heal 5 hp, 10 eva debuff, 15 dmg reduction
15 mg eff, 10 fp trp avi buff for all royal

[south sequoia]

trafalgar looks pretty neat

[atomic abyss]

at this rate

[viscid swift]

well Pillica got his eva debuffer

[atomic abyss]

there may be no CLs left for w15

[molten zinc]

Oh 145/110/90 so it just a better MK7 then

[viscid swift]

trust Worcester will come

in 2030

[eager mulch]

real

[south sequoia]

looks like they dont wanna knock off sandy and shimanto lol

[hybrid pelican]

Datamine link pls?

[atomic abyss]

scroll up

[south sequoia]

rld speed?

[eternal moth]

There isn't one yet

[atomic abyss]

1s faster

[viscid swift]

we're just looking at CN machine translations right now

[south sequoia]

man

nj gun powercreep is real

and funny