gameplay-help

[grand solar]

Yet it's the combination of their skills that seem to be the difference.

[sweet delta]

Whatever the point is, go to #pvp

[hollow gust]

thanks for the free points

its only good against scrubs

[grand solar]

Or in pvp

[hollow gust]

Only good against scrubs

[viscid swift]

your fleet was shit to be blunt

that fleet wasn't great for PvP but yours is worse

[grand solar]

Yeah I know. All my ships are shit.

[stark quiver]

oh well
that fleet didnt punch a fleet above its weight class

[viscid swift]

"it is a poor musician who blames his instrument"
I'm 95% certain you have better ships for PvP, try making use of them and gear them appropriately if you want results

[hollow gust]

Uni enty hiryuu would perform better ngl

[grand solar]

Which Hiryuu as there's like three?

[whole stump]

If I get her would implac replace enterprise? So it’d be her hood and unicorn

[stark quiver]

not unless she's mlb, and even then, i wouldnt prob

[whole stump]

So I don’t rlly need her huh

[stark quiver]

what

implac is a superb ship to have

[whole stump]

haha idk, dont rlly understand team building still learning

so in what cases will i need her?

[sinful escarp]

implacable is a stopper, she stops enemies from moving

[stark quiver]

bossing , shes good in campaign good lwk

[sinful escarp]

more of a support for bosses

[whole stump]

oo okay so she'll probably be in my boss fleet when i get later into the campaign?

[wind hazel]

her personal damage is quite good

she can work on mob or boss in campaign

[sinful escarp]

also for cv fleets in opsi

[stark quiver]

single target bosses, say metas fights, arbiters, challenge modes, and whatnot,
shes good in campaign mob/boss, wether there are better options is
good personal damage nonetheless

[whole stump]

oo ok thats sick, i'll just get her and worry about leveling her later once i finish maxing my starter fleet

[dreamy blade]

generally cant go wrong with URs (unless they are named warspite)

[sinful escarp]

its always a good idea to get the UR ships whenever their events rerun.
NEVER on the permanent banners though

[whole stump]

they're so expensive 😭 but worth it i guess

[stark quiver]

really worth

[sharp pine]

I finally got around to doing ch 13 and I only have one thing to say. "Haha Sandy go brrrrt"

[viscid swift]

ok...

[strong tartan]

hi

[tawdry halo]

I'm in unspeakable pain

And I was told to bench UVH.

[strong tartan]

as of now cause she's at 0lb

[hollow gust]

Then bench her lmao ? She is cosplaying as a common right now

[tawdry halo]

Who to replace her, I have nobody with a lv that high to fill in

[hollow gust]

Rolling for UVH was the troll move

[tawdry halo]

😭 I sent the previous screenshots for a reason

[strong tartan]

nelson

[novel condor]

Lvls you can get easily, just grind em

[tawdry halo]

Game gave me UVH and Perseus in the first 10 pulls after tutorial, dont blame me

[plain saffron]

you not going to use her with that 0 limit break

[tawdry halo]

Lv 11 😔

[strong tartan]

then level her once you can

[tawdry halo]

The level gap is too much that Nelson will die before she can do anything in my sorties 😔

[strong tartan]

then go to a stage with a lower level

[tawdry halo]

Used my exp books on Portland and Long Island

[dreamy blade]

youll get 30 more on weekly reset

[strong tartan]

and on top of that you're not forced to use them

[tawdry halo]

What level do you recommend

(I need the gear blueprints to craft)

[viscid swift]

this is why

[tawdry halo]

cough cough cough

[viscid swift]

also, give that a read
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[novel condor]

Also would recommend leveling up your Unicorn over your Perseus since she's a better healer in the long run tbh

[forest palm]

for 14 + 15 ya wouldn't hurt

[viscid swift]

too late at this point, Unicorn can wait until later

[forest palm]

15 comps sometimes uses both in different fleets

[sharp pine]

Tbh, it's fantastic that you got Ulrich that quickly. But for the mean time, it would be best to level and limit break your blues, purples, and golds. It will be a while before you can get Ulrich up to speed. Focus on getting one good fleet ready to go. With what you have, I'd go with Perseus, Unicorn, and Arizona for the main fleet, and Portland, San Diego, and Z23 for your vanguard. After that, I'd work on getting Nelson, Souryuu, Hiryuu, Cleveland, and Indianapolis up to level.

[viscid swift]

about maybe 40% of that is right

[novel condor]

Which part

[sharp pine]

I know it's not meta, I was going off of what he currently has to work with.

[viscid swift]

it's not that it isn't meta, it's just not good advice

for one, you wouldn't use Arizona over Nelson, there's just no reason to

Unicorn is also rather redundant for now

[sweet delta]

Indianapolis is shit no matter who you put with her

[viscid swift]

San Diego also won't be doing much of anything for a while without at least her augment

[forest palm]

realistically you'll level up Percy relatively fast, and it won't take long to raise Unicorn, after that point you've got your healer for 14 + 15, and any other content you can just pick a favorite

[viscid swift]

and she'll still eat gold bullins

[stark quiver]

eeee hehehehe

[viscid swift]

UvH realistically is probably gonna be benched for a lot longer than a few months

[fickle hollow]

is Daisen gun worth +13 (i dont have yamato gun and my izumo gun is at +13)

[bold surge]

For who?

[fickle hollow]

Musashi

[viscid swift]

debatable, probably not though unless you're trying to pull off specific comps

[wind hazel]

imo nah

[stark quiver]

i did

[viscid swift]

not like Musashi sees much boss work these days

I mean so did I but I'm in a more prosperous position than most

[fickle hollow]

[stark quiver]

im not

[bold surge]

I only use the 460

[forest palm]

pretty ass

[stark quiver]

bro put the slowest gun on the slowest ship

[viscid swift]

yeah worse than all 3 other options in like 95% of scenarios

[bold surge]

Big gun on big ship go brrrr

[forest palm]

except it doesn't

[wind hazel]

more like go br, and stop

[viscid swift]

this isn't WoWs where overmatch is a thing

[tawdry halo]

So I guess I'm stuck with what I have currently

[forest palm]

460 is the equivalent of an elderly taking a couple of steps, calling it a "run", while subsequently being out of breath

[sweet delta]

fr who needs overmatch when you can drop a bolt of lightning on the enemy ship

[viscid swift]

not like it translates into better damage anyway so what's the point of big guns in that case

[bold surge]

460 is nice for when the screen is filled with medium and heavies

[wind hazel]

no

[forest palm]

ain't it chief

[viscid swift]

more or less, start working on Nelson to replace UvH and Helena to replace san diego for now

[noble tulip]

460 is the biggest piece of dogshit, created only to bait new players

[tawdry halo]

Done

[viscid swift]

like I said, 95% of scenarios the Daisen of Izumo gun will do better for less cost

[tawdry halo]

I dont have Hele

[viscid swift]

get her from the guild shop

[bold surge]

460 worked fine in w15 for me

bye bye cvs

[forest palm]

[viscid swift]

that says alot more about the overall strength of the fleets than the anything great about the 460

[bold surge]

Musashi did like 60% of overall damage

[sharp socket]

460 on alsace kills level 4 hornet meta very well

[viscid swift]

ok and?

still doesn't say anything about the 460 being good

[fickle hollow]

what are the other good torps after these 2 ?

[tawdry halo]

Besides, Arizona is too precious for me to be put into dangerous situations again 😔

[viscid swift]

not to mention taking end screen results at face value never tells the full picture anyway

[noble tulip]

pretty much the only good ones for 99.9% of the content

[viscid swift]

well you're not really getting better than those 2

[tawdry halo]

Alr, I guess UVH will be cross barrage

[fickle hollow]

i have 1 533 improved at +13 and 4 533 (1 at +13 and other 3 at +10)

[tawdry halo]

I have 4 fleets now

[viscid swift]

please don't

[fickle hollow]

then should i just craft more 533

[bold surge]

you only need 2

[viscid swift]

concentrate on just the one fleet for now

[viscid swift]

if you hate swapping gear sure

[tawdry halo]

Ik

[river junco]

how do you have 4 fleets with your current ships, stretching things thin

[spare epoch]

hmm can i kill the hermit with these ship, the hard one

[tawdry halo]

I cleared 5-4

[viscid swift]

what else have you got to work with

[tawdry halo]

And I'm completly stuck at chap 5, cant go any further because my ships die off in 6-1

[viscid swift]

well as is probably not

[bold surge]

Why do they die

[sharp socket]

i have my doubts

[viscid swift]

you could certaily start prepping things to do it though, probably not this month though

[tawdry halo]

They just get annihilated in 6-1

[spare epoch]

ye, i just start out opsi

[bold surge]

Figure out what kills them specifically

[spare epoch]

i dont have gear labs gear yet

[tawdry halo]

Everything

[bold surge]

If that doesnt work, all you can do is level ships

[viscid swift]

like dev 30ing Hakuryu and working more on PR as a whole

[noble tulip]

a mix of gear issue / lvl problems most likely

[bold surge]

Go to the fox mines at 3-4

[viscid swift]

well given a 2 LB level 56 York is main tanking yeah...

[spare epoch]

mkayy

[viscid swift]

foxes are shit and bait

if you're really gonna farm for a main fleet go for Saratoga

[spare epoch]

would raffaello doing good in boss fleet or i just go mobbing with her

[bold surge]

Most farmables are trash late game, but if you want to collect them at some point, its best to start early

[viscid swift]

hardly

[noble tulip]

No reason to start early and gimp your progression

[viscid swift]

early game you can't farm efficiently

[noble tulip]

I farmed fox mines after I was done with 15-4, they're just bad nowadays

[viscid swift]

and it still doesn't change the fact Saratoga is much better and has a lot more staying power than the foxes

[viscid swift]

gotta get that AVI tech

[noble tulip]

Pretty much

[bold surge]

Saratoga is nice with Enty

[bold surge]

I farmed my foxes before w11 was even a thing

[forest palm]

they literally have 0 synergy

[forest palm]

still doesn't mean it's good by today's standards

[viscid swift]

I farmed them before I made it past W6, does that make it a good idea, no

[forest palm]

literally farmed them back in 2018 when that was all there was to farm

[stark quiver]

i farmed 2-1

[bold surge]

Oops I thought Saratoga had some fleet skill

[forest palm]

almost like you don't know what you're talking about

[bold surge]

I just remember using her

But that was 6 years ago

[forest palm]

doesn't matter if it was 6 years ago, or yesterday

[viscid swift]

maybe try her with her a new augment and see just how much things have changed

[bold surge]

Is the extra special airstrike that strong?

[spare epoch]

saratoga in mob fleet is quite comfy for me

[noble tulip]

Turns out Fritz is pretty damn broken (jintm)

[viscid swift]

way ahead of you

[bold surge]

Hornet META?

[noble tulip]

I'm a kearsarge/yt2 hater and thus I didn't bother with that fleet

[viscid swift]

it's effectively an extra 4 aircraft every 20 seccnds

[honest stirrup]

Level 15 Hornet meta hasn't even been reached as far as I'm concerned

[bold surge]

ooh jintsuu

[noble tulip]

are you running double skyraider on yt2 ?

[viscid swift]

yes

one is just +10 though

[noble tulip]

Yeah that's why I hate it, (lil E cucked)

[viscid swift]

proto Mk6 also finally found a use

[noble tulip]

pretty sure there's a 4 airstrike setup aswell

[viscid swift]

should be

[river junco]

i split the 2 skyraiders between yk2 and fritz, rest are hvar, i think that gives 4 strikes

[viscid swift]

that would absolutely not for a META fight

[river junco]

what is the time limit?

[noble tulip]

fritz needs double hvars for 4 airstrikes

[viscid swift]

80 seconds

[river junco]

ah nvm then

[stark quiver]

double hvar + max rld + oath + beacon

[noble tulip]

if you run any skyraider it's pretty much impossible

[viscid swift]

suchi also cooked a 1 skyraider version

[stark quiver]

send pls

[viscid swift]

same as mine

just La-9, Skyraider, HVAR on Yorktown 2

[stark quiver]

'

[viscid swift]

hmm?

[noble tulip]

Probably meant to stagger yt2 to fire as late as possible to hit her 3rd airstrike on jintm enrage

[viscid swift]

yep

[sweet delta]

Who has 5 hvarcats +13?

[viscid swift]

uhh, I can make that happen

[stark quiver]

i have 4

[viscid swift]

what have you got in mind

[weary gust]

I probably have 5.

[sweet delta]

That's just partly why I put la9

Also I don't think Hindenburg will be good for hormet due to hit rng

[noble tulip]

Do we believe in 4 prints before lvl 15 hornet ?

[stark quiver]

i believe in 4 prints tomorrow

[viscid swift]

toss up TBH

is that your 3rd or 4th?

[stark quiver]

and yes i believe

[noble tulip]

4th

[stark quiver]

[noble tulip]

not getting great luck on researches atm

[viscid swift]

ah so you can run the 4 La-9 set up

[stark quiver]

must be nice......

[viscid swift]

unlike us plebs

[stark quiver]

i fell back to 0.9 pace

[noble tulip]

let's just say I had 2 weeks of 2 prints/day, and that may have helped a bit

[viscid swift]

you lucky sob

[stark quiver]

how much are u at cheek

[noble tulip]

I'll take it, getting lucky on this pr season is probably the best outcome possible

[viscid swift]

148/200

[stark quiver]

already getting third

[river junco]

i've had 2 weeks of 1 print a week right now, rng will determine whether you build that la-9 lol
(did loads of rigging research)

[spare ledge]

Do i have to only wait for rerun event to get this?

[stark quiver]

wait for it to be added to some shop or smth

[sweet delta]

She will probably get a new event next year, technically not a rerun

Fu Shun's Great Adventure V

[viscid swift]

Wait what

[stark quiver]

[sweet delta]

Idk, are they gonna put it in shop or make it once a year

[stark quiver]

idk either

[ivory pawn]

It'll probably show up in spec core shop for 1000 like the others next LNY or the one after.

[bold surge]

Often in shop after a year

[stark quiver]

oh so i wasnt smoking crack

[viscid swift]

Well An Shan is still "event limited" and her's was added to the shop

[fickle hollow]

does Houshou drop at a certain stage

[stark quiver]

/wiki houshou

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Houshou
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Houshou_META
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Houshou/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Houshou_META/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Houshou/Gallery
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Houshou_META/Gallery
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Memories/A_Day_Getting_Along_with_Houshou

Mar 15, 2025, 4:16 AM

[viscid swift]

7-4 and 15-3 I think

[bold surge]

yes

[fickle hollow]

thank you

[stark quiver]

i only remember cuz someone told me to change it

[nimble knoll]

How much does farming 15-3 cost doing 1-1? Or with Oil Cap?

[sweet delta]

Good luck 1-1 ing 15-3 on auto

[viscid swift]

I highly doubt you can farm 15-3 1:1

[nimble knoll]

then how much is it with oil cap?

[bold surge]

Is there even an oil cap in w15?

[viscid swift]

Yes

[nimble knoll]

Does 15-3 have better odds of dropping houshou?

[stark quiver]

nobody knows

[viscid swift]

Who knows

[sweet delta]

Maybe devs, maybe not even devs

[viscid swift]

Well the devs know but they ain't talking

[stark quiver]

i know

[nimble knoll]

But, 7-4 is cheaper with 1:1 so I'll probably just keep doing that (cuz mi not on w15)

[ivory pawn]

I wouldn't bet on it, probably smarter to just farm 7-4 or whatever it was with 1:1.

[fluid karma]

How do raff barriers work? Is it a consumable shield that breaks after negating damage equal to 1% off raff hp or reduce dmg from hits up to 1% of raff hp for 10 secs

[stark quiver]

why're u farming for houshou anyways

[nimble knoll]

I want the medal

[stark quiver]

[fickle hollow]

is plymouth gun better on Watarase or Musashi

thank you folks

[nimble knoll]

Mi want the Frontier Medal for da buffs on meh CV's, so I'm tryna get houshou

[noble tulip]

(it's only for pvp), (CV's are dead in pvp)

[nimble knoll]

So.. It doesn't work for Campaign and other stuff?

[viscid swift]

Nope

[little tree]

How much better is Shinamatos AA compared to Chesshire

[stark quiver]

a lot better

[nimble knoll]

Well Shit.. I would've hoped it did

[stark quiver]

well when the time comes, youll unlock it naturally, its just a extra catapult

[viscid swift]

It's like comparing Japan during the Battle of Midway and Postwar Japan

[stark quiver]

what

[honest stirrup]

about shimanto and japanese aa

[nimble knoll]

Shud Mi get angels feather instead then? (I only have 5 Gold Catas)

[stark quiver]

why

[ivory pawn]

You'll get more gold catas over time, just use purple catas or aviation tanks.

[stark quiver]

i doubt you have all the important stuff from protocore

[ivory pawn]

Lots of other stuff to grab with Core Data if you haven't yet.

[honest stirrup]

Transitional gears are also good as they do the job and don't cost much for something replacable

[plain saffron]

in triple CV do i want avp to be in middle, the other 2 is TB

[weary gust]

cv backline position usually doesn't matter.

[nimble knoll]

Is this gud? (Or the Upgrade thingy is the good one)

[plain saffron]

my bad, i mean timing

[stark quiver]

yes

[weary gust]

Yeah middle for stops

[plain saffron]

thanks

[nimble knoll]

HE is good against what again?

[weary gust]

light

[stark quiver]

doesnt Jintsuu metas framework of logic require exp books to level, or is it same as AOA

[plain saffron]

those are the AoA for META

[weary gust]

All meta skills require a few books to unlock then they have mini missions for exp gain.

[stark quiver]

my crystal frags are saved
buying 57 really killed my economy

[plain saffron]

framework of logic is unlocked and upgraded from LB

[nimble knoll]

Would this be good on campaign or would the triple 406 be better?

[stark quiver]

thats not a bb main gun

[weary gust]

Is anyone else running out of enhancment material for META ship rigging fortification? I thought I was buying all of it every month from opsi but I'm running really low on two of the types.

[nimble knoll]

I'm dumb, I wanna know how to read

[stark quiver]

and yes its good as a secondary for bbs in campaign, as well as a primary for cruisers

[honest stirrup]

Were you comparing a main BB gun and a CL gun?

[plain saffron]

upgraded is good for CL, non upgraded is meh for CL

[stark quiver]

you upgrade your meta fodders?

[weary gust]

I max out rigging on all of them yes.

[stark quiver]

im at 2k,1k,2k, and 1k

[grizzled stream]

idk what i'm doing diff, but i'm able to enhance all of meta and have ~1k+ on ea leftover

[plain saffron]

i still have leftovers but prob because i always buy all of it since day 1

[weary gust]

I'm at 28 on the FP one and I've already used some crystals to buy more of them.

Thought I was buying all of them since day 1 opsi too.

[plain saffron]

i'll go double check if i miss anyone

[viscid swift]

hornet META

[stark quiver]

ive fully upgraded i think 2 meta ships

[plain saffron]

yeah 2 are low

wait no that's 3

[tawdry halo]

I will correct you 😭 💢

[tawdry halo]

I will probably replace Nimi with Portland

... or York with Port

[viscid swift]

replace York

[wind hazel]

maybe old account

[stark quiver]

🦖

[noble tulip]

I asked and got 2 prints

[stark quiver]

the strongest of copers will always be rewarded

[viscid swift]

I ask for 4th La-9 before level 15 hornet

[tawdry halo]

Nimi is better than York?

[viscid swift]

yes

[terse juniper]

how good is raffaello compared to others BB in world 14 and 15?

[honest stirrup]

Works fine in w14, there's better options for w15

[stark quiver]

shes really good

[honest stirrup]

Yeah but in W15 being good isn't enough, they have to be actively useful

[stark quiver]

what does being good mean to you

[terse juniper]

well, for mobbing

[stark quiver]

yea shes a top mobber

[honest stirrup]

Good stats, average expected personal damage, survives alright

[stark quiver]

so raf

[honest stirrup]

Yeah, never said the opposite

[wind hazel]

wdym better options when the other option is musashi

[honest stirrup]

Alsace, Bis Zwei

[forest palm]

huh...

[terse juniper]

i dont have alsace or zwei

but i want to use musashi for boss

[honest stirrup]

Then Raff can work

Like-
"Having better options" doesn't mean she's bad

[forest palm]

It's not about being good or bad it's where the ship fits in terms of role

You can't just jam a mob BB into boss and wonder why they underperformed

[terse juniper]

well, i want to use raffaello + aquila and unicorn for 3 stars in 14-3 and -4

[stark quiver]

how is zwei a better option

[honest stirrup]

Musachi works just fine in boss fleet from my experience

[stark quiver]

musashi works fine literally anywhere as long as everyone else isnt complete garbage

[forest palm]

That should work, but it is simpler to get the nodes to safe

[terse juniper]

but the last time when i tried to beat all mobs for get the star of beat all enemies, i almost got it but my mob fleet died in the penultimate mob bruh

[honest stirrup]

Survivability and raw dps, (plus having slightly more AA but I guess it's negligible)

[stark quiver]

survivability

[viscid swift]

I dunno how Zwei is more survivable

[stark quiver]

prob referring to the geryon thing

[viscid swift]

Raffaello is literally 2nd best here

[stark quiver]

another day of
and watching people give out random info

[forest palm]

[hot warren]

Does retrofit give tech pts guys?

Umm so retrofit a 120 ship before retiring them does it make any sense?

[storm heron]

retrofit (modernization) gives you collection%, so you might want to retro them before retiring

[hot warren]

Okay ty

[analog oar]

Are there any gears I should change for her?

[frank pulsar]

looks fine
swap out the oxytorps for defensive auxes if shes dying though

[sweet delta]

the oxytorps and sextuple can't both be optimal

[storm heron]

6tuple can be something better like staag or twin76

[analog oar]

I see

[analog oar]

Wait so uh what do I change then

[wind hazel]

what are you using her for

[polar lion]

Is it wurf to mlb META ships or just 120 only and done?

[wind hazel]

up to you, i love seeing my ships full stars

[tame fog]

any consensus on this gun?

I just found this right now

[frank pulsar]

best aa gun overall

[analog oar]

Pretty much about anything really mobbing bosses and stuff like that

[wind hazel]

use the frog aa and call it a day, can't go wrong

except maybe when you need more fp for some weird case

[tame fog]

damn even beating out the french rainbow aa gun?

[polar lion]

Not completely but moar bang for your buck electronics

[wind hazel]

it makes the french AA obsolete, yes

[tame fog]

I see
damn I just crafted a rainbow l60 2 months ago

[tawdry halo]

@viscid swift speaking about the "leftmost vessel being the tanking one", which leftmost? Is it the fleet's left side from their backs or is it the player's left side?

[sweet delta]

Leftmost on the fleet screen, not in battle

[polar lion]

Player's

[tawdry halo]

thank you

[opaque galleon]

I need a 15-4 boss fleet for auto, having trouble putting it together, my entire vanguard gets half healthed in the first battle

[tawdry halo]

no wonder why my Long Island was dying

[rigid onyx]

bottommost from battle perspective

so that would be rightmost from players

[opaque galleon]

Do I need actual healers on that fleet?

[rigid onyx]

there's only tanks in the vanguard not the main fleet

[tawdry halo]

oh

ok nvm

[frank pulsar]

depend on the type of fleet setup you have
121 fleets dont need a healer but 212 fleets need one

[tawdry halo]

So which is the spot of the tanker here again

[rigid onyx]

left

[tawdry halo]

York?

[cobalt gate]

Yep

[tawdry halo]

now I know where to place Portland in the future

tysm

[cobalt gate]

Is it normal to have like 50 augment that don’t have the core to make?

[dreamy blade]

they release new unique augments faster than you can keep up if you try to make them all yes

[jaunty vault]

z52 wants faster guns, right?

[rose cosmos]

is hornet meta heavy?

[crimson glacier]

should be med

[nocturne glade]

is this fine for sandy or do I want different torps/main gun?

[crimson glacier]

aa radars are useless

and i dont think that dd gun is that good but idk if you have anything better

[nocturne glade]

I see, Ill look into it a bit more then

Should I just give her eva/hp auxes then?

[wind hazel]

rudder+toolkit is the cookie cutter for most cruisers

[rose cosmos]

Is Yorktown good for med armor?

[nocturne glade]

gotcha, ty!

[solid hedge]

Hi! Fritz Rumey currently best CV when vs light armour boss, right?

[tawdry halo]

Chat, Rodney or Nelson better? Or is there any better BBs that I could wait for to temporarily replace my 0lb UVH?

[atomic abyss]

yorktown2? yes with the right gear

[sharp socket]

nelson

[atomic abyss]

depends on her team mates, but usually yes

[atomic abyss]

nelson, she has a retro, rodney doesnt

[sharp socket]

(when retro)

[tawdry halo]

aside from Nelson, is there any BBs I could try to wait for

[spring basin]

i just got to world 12 and i have oil but no resources for upgrading as i've spent them alr. My acv has 1/2 red marks should i go ahead and do the world ?

[rose cosmos]

Idk I'm planning fdg, rumey and maybe enterprise/avp

[sharp socket]

hood

[atomic abyss]

no
acv shd be green (air superiority) when clearing for first time

[sharp socket]

i was talking to the other guy

[tawdry halo]

So is Nelson any better than Hood 💀

[atomic abyss]

side grades

[solid hedge]

She always does more dmg than kearsarge, Yorktown with same investment, right?

[sharp socket]

gph prefers nelson but i prefer hood, in practice about the same

[atomic abyss]

she shd yes
but the issue with that comp is that it has no freezer, so there's going to be more rng

[sharp socket]

the debate over nelson or hood is very long and i believe it had no conclusion

[atomic abyss]

the answer is you get tirpitz over hood

[solid hedge]

Oh that make sense now
Month ago, someone here told me Rumey just ok-ish😭

[sharp socket]

so its tirpitz > nelson now?

[atomic abyss]

more likely you asked that when she just came out and we could not test her

the issue with nelson is are you really gonna prio her retro over uni, port and your starter?

[crimson glacier]

Ppl value different things

[atomic abyss]

she is good, dont get me wrong

but as torva said it ultimately depends on the priority

[crimson glacier]

Ship can be ok in general while being amazing in niche stuff

[sharp socket]

its a bb retro, it doesn't compete with starter dd, portland cruiser, uni cv

[atomic abyss]

it does in a different way - your hard mode attempts are still limited

tirp's largest benefit is IB tech for fdg while being a fine BB

hood's biggest issue is being a BC

we havent had BC hard mode lock for event in ages

[crimson glacier]

there is no backline retrofit worth more than uni

[sharp socket]

BC used for hardmode req

[crimson glacier]

does early hard mode have any BC locks

[sharp socket]

unless you propose to skip those

[crimson glacier]

BB is much more common

[atomic abyss]

there have been more than a few cases of people here getting stuck on event hard mode because they have no BB raised

just hood

and in any case

most people dont even reach that crossroad

most people are
have nelson but no BB medal shop
have BB medal shop before they got nelson
rolled a good gold BB/C frm event or perma
or none of the above and stuck with penny

[lyric briar]

What should I change for my arizona meta fleet

[tawdry halo]

@viscid swift alr so I think I really need help about rebuilding an actual fine main fleet

Since you told me 0lmb UVH is doo doo

[tulip thorn]

Best fleet for 13-4 hard?

[wind hazel]

use Nelson, i thought they told you

[tawdry halo]

I have an alternate question, is there REALLY any vessels better than Nelson that I could wait for

[wind hazel]

throw UR

[tulip thorn]

Which ones 😭

[wind hazel]

nelson is your best bb at this stage of the game that you can comfortably raise

[tawdry halo]

I... see

[tulip thorn]

Its just for the boss tho

[heavy lynx]

told ya

[atomic abyss]

there is better, just that they are limited, or you simply havent gotten them i.e research

[wind hazel]

what do you have

[tawdry halo]

Is any of the Hood, North Carolina, Tirpitz good

[tulip thorn]

Everything

[heavy lynx]

theyre not limited 😭

[atomic abyss]

NC is ass so we can ignore her
hood or tirp are fine to use
they are roughly the same level as nelson retro

[tulip thorn]

Thankss

[tawdry halo]

auuugh

[atomic abyss]

i mean you're just too early on

actually, what even is the issue here

do you just not want to use nelson?
or tirp
or hood?

[heavy lynx]

mina wants to build a "professional" fleet

[tawdry halo]

ok thank you, next question

Do I keep Long Island and Perseus or do I change (I have Taihou, Unicorn, Shinano, Soryuu and Hiriyuu for alternatives)

[atomic abyss]

it's impossible to build one at the stage of the game

[heavy lynx]

but bro does not have anyone other than a 3 star ulrich

[atomic abyss]

uni over perseus

long can be replaced by taihou

[tawdry halo]

what about Long Island

[wind hazel]

i'd just continue on with perseus

[heavy lynx]

i said that your fleet is fine and therewas NO need to change anyone

[wind hazel]

taihou is 0lb too no point investing in her

[heavy lynx]

like i said ulrich is fine

[atomic abyss]

save them for fleet 2

[tawdry halo]

I fully lmb'd Long Island

[wind hazel]

keep long island until someone like saratoga or something

[tawdry halo]

could Perseus and Unicorn tag along

[wind hazel]

dont use both

you already invested into perseus, just keep her

unicorn wont be better until retrofit which is like, lv90

[tawdry halo]

I see

so I keep Long Island and Perseus, replace UVH with Nelson and replace York with Portland

[heavy lynx]

[vernal minnow]

Is it possible to get submarines in range of the boss with auto search?

[heavy lynx]

ulrich does well even without mlb not gonna lie

[atomic abyss]

depends on the map, but very unlikely

[tawdry halo]

Sandy and Nimi is to be kept, am I correct?

[atomic abyss]

and a mlb nelson would do better

[vernal minnow]

Are submarines new? I feel like its a pretty important feature for auto lol

[heavy lynx]

is nelson mlb or not

[atomic abyss]

nelson simply isnt raised yet

[tawdry halo]

nope

[heavy lynx]

mina

[tawdry halo]

My nelson is like lv 20 as of now

[atomic abyss]

they've been around for 6 years
auto search is newer than subs

[heavy lynx]

u have 2 SSR bulins so use it on nelson

[boreal wagon]

moving subs would also cost oil so most people just wouldnt use it

[atomic abyss]

nelson doesnt even use SSR bulins

[tawdry halo]

SSR bulins...

for Nelson??

[boreal wagon]

not to mention most people just dont use subs to begin with

[heavy lynx]

isit sr or ssr

[inland shoal]

I mean they haven't been in the game since the beginning, but they're not exactly new. They can be pretty useful though, but also a bit annoying to use

[atomic abyss]

nelson is purple

she wouldnt be using gold bulins at all

[heavy lynx]

i forgot the difference between ssr and sr

[tawdry halo]

I have an army of bulins

[wind hazel]

just use colour

[atomic abyss]

EN doesnt have SSR, so just use colour

[vale spindle]

regional difference

[tawdry halo]

there's no SSR

[heavy lynx]

sure

so purple then

[wind hazel]

Elite for elite gamers

[atomic abyss]

the point is nelson uses purple bulins
which makes her much easier to mlb

[vernal minnow]

They rarely even do anything on auto search

[tawdry halo]

alright I'm dipping UVH off

[atomic abyss]

oh

[heavy lynx]

mina has 4 of them so its fine

[atomic abyss]

you mean HUNT damage

[heavy lynx]

level nelson up

[atomic abyss]

subs cannot hunt bosses lol

you can only summon them into bosses battles

[tawdry halo]

I finished 5-4 and I'm not gonna venture any further into chap 6 yet so it doesnt matter if I change my fleet now

[vale spindle]

you need to enable auto call submarine (to call them in battle), and/or set them to attack mode (to "prestrike" enemies)

[atomic abyss]

you cant have them passively nick off 20% on bosses like other enemies

[solid hedge]

Which plane is better here?

[inland shoal]

There's 2 different modes for subs, one where they do a debuff before battle and one where you summon them in battle. The former is a lot weaker and only works on mobs, but costs no oil, the latter costs oil and you subs can be damaged in the fight

[vernal minnow]

yes but they also have to be in range of the boss, do they move during auto search to get in range of the boss?

[atomic abyss]

no

[vale spindle]

they don't 😭

[vernal minnow]

thats my point

[atomic abyss]

which is why subs are a pain to raise on auto

[boreal wagon]

you have to manually move them (and that costs oil)

[atomic abyss]

thats why you raise subs during raid events

[atomic abyss]

why are you even crafting using this plane

[inland shoal]

Tbh in higher maps the issue is rather that if you auto call them in they just die off

[vernal minnow]

yeah subs are kinda lackluster idk

[atomic abyss]

subs are lackluster for those who dont know how to use them

you're not meant to auto search with them lol

you're meant to call them when needed

[vale spindle]

they are lackluster on auto battle yes

if you manually summon and move them around they are very useful for extra damage

[vernal minnow]

isnt that a problem tho? most of the game is played on auto so why is 1 feature not auto friendly o_o

[vale spindle]

#game-feedback for game feedback, can't help you here

[atomic abyss]

because not all the game is easy enough to be auto searched

tough content will require manual inputs
not manual control mind you
but manual selection of which nodes to fight

[inland shoal]

Tbh manual has always been stronger by quite a decent bit than auto (if you know what you're doing)

[solid hedge]

They're all bad, right?

[inland shoal]

No gifs here pls

[atomic abyss]

isnt the top one the new one or sth

[boreal wagon]

yes

[atomic abyss]

the point is that you shouldnt be blindly crafting shit

at least find out what you're meant to craft

[boreal wagon]

R1 is a valid contender for w15 support
but i doubt they are at that stage yet

[atomic abyss]

it's the replacement for the skyrocket right
or sth

[boreal wagon]

i think it was like best or second best
and its cheaper than pancake

[atomic abyss]

you just wouldnt use it in battle like pancake right?

[boreal wagon]

it has no bombs so yeah you wouldnt

its basically wulf but gold

[atomic abyss]

so it's basically a good me155

[solid hedge]

So the top plane is best for w15, right?

[atomic abyss]

not for your main fleets

[boreal wagon]

it is a competitive option for the support fleets of w15

but other options with other utilities outside of that exist (like pancake)

[atomic abyss]

by asking the question that way, i feel you're misunderstanding something

you should not be looking at gear lab and crafting stuff by "what you can craft"
but what you need at that point of time and working towards that

[molten zinc]

15 pancakes for W15

[knotty halo]

is she worth?

[atomic abyss]

the top plane is very good for w15 support fleet (not main fleet)
but it's dog shit elsewhere

[atomic abyss]

purple META ship, so no

[solid hedge]

I try to gear my ships properly😭
Gold plane still missing

[boreal wagon]

rarity in this game is a trap

[atomic abyss]

so you shouldnt be randomly crafting shit then

if you are "missing gold planes"

i doubt you'd have enough opsi mats to craft the good gold planes in gear lab begin with

for a newer player, your main source of gear is from tech boxes

and the best tech box gear, tend to be competitive or even better than most gear lab gear

not many gear lab gear are worth crafting

like, why would you craft sth in gear lab that's similar to performance to sth you can get easily

[solid hedge]

I got it, thats why i ask before craft 😔
thank for advices

[atomic abyss]

if you want something concrete to work towards
look for the (rainbow) wyvern torpedo bomber, under royal navy

they are a substantial upgrade to the gold barracuda

fighters arent as important to rush to upgrade - the improvement isnt as big

[solid hedge]

Oh wyvern? I craft like bunch of those..try to craft something new

[atomic abyss]

if you have 2-3 wyverns

then you shd start looking to flapjacks

or the german converging torpedo bomber

[polar lion]

Can we coin PR6?

Sedge

[atomic abyss]

there is catch up

but no coin

[polar lion]

Can we coin stuffs even after FS5?

[boreal wagon]

how would you coin a ship that is already maxed

but if you mean ships like ägir that dont have one yet, yes you can coin her fate sim when it comes out

[polar lion]

Okay, thot could cheese some protocores income from coining

[vestal yoke]

I just unlocked the shipyard, what should I do here?

[undone plover]

If u use z23 start work on roon
If not start work on saint louis
then ignore until chapter 9+

[vestal yoke]

I tried saint louis but it says somethine like "finish pre work" or someth

it says " without finish pre task"

and before that it says failed to submit mission, mission 25 doesnt exist

[tawdry halo]

@wind hazel @viscid swift Did I cook

[boreal wagon]

restart your game

[vestal yoke]

also I'd rather get roon could I buy iron blood ships from the guild to reach her requirement?

[vestal yoke]

I did and now when I go into the shipyard it glitches, I don't see a ship and can't click anywhere

The animation is still going but I can't click anything

[delicate bronze]

what are the general tips for w14?
types of ships, what to focus on?

[jaunty vault]

clear cache and try again
if still continues, repair assets
if still happens, contact customer support

[vestal yoke]

also is it normal that AL takes up 22gigs on my phone?

[jaunty vault]

if you download everything

[vestal yoke]

I didn't though

can I uninstall voicelines? or do I have to reinstall the game?

[jaunty vault]

should be latter, not sure

3d dorm also takes up a lot

[jaunty vault]

use 2CV 1 BB fleets
bring unicorn in mob fleet and ideally another sub healer
sample fleets from /w15 bot command work for w14 also

general opinion is to not use lighthouse

latter half of w14 has sub enemies so make sure to gear appropriately

[delicate bronze]

im on 14-3 and wanted to 3star it using USS ships since im farming pr xp but i dont think i can 3star it using them

[jaunty vault]

do not use faction fleets for clearing

[delicate bronze]

thought so

[jaunty vault]

also w14 is not the best place to grind exp

[delicate bronze]

yeah, no 2 birds with 1 stone here it seems

[jaunty vault]

2 birds with 1 stone would be to 3star the stage on lethal

[delicate bronze]

wanna see something funny?

im here, asking for help with fleet building

[polar lion]

Oathed grills don't lose affinity, right? Even if still continue battle with 0 morale?

[jaunty vault]

[boreal wagon]

they do

[delicate bronze]

im missing 8 boats total, not counting collabs

[humble sage]

https://renhex.github.io/alft/270

does this seem feasible for W15? (15-4 in particular)
I've been away from the game for a long time so I'm missing many URs.

[polar lion]

They can go lose till 0 affinity?

[delicate bronze]

embarassing really

[boreal wagon]

yes

the only thing oathed ships cannot lose is the 9% stat boost

but they can lose the 12% one and they can go to 0 affinity

[polar lion]

Shii

[tawdry halo]

Chat, which level (5-4 and below) is recommended for grinding gears?

(For the mean time I wont venture any further because I need to make up a proper main fleet first)

[polar lion]

I think u can follow Sam's guide

[delicate bronze]

@jaunty vault so this should work?

forgor ss

i only have 2 from the vanguard at 125

[knotty halo]

is bolzano meta mid?

[late flame]

any purple elite meta = mid

[knotty halo]

i dont want use her now

[polar lion]

Looks fine. I'm assuming u put Rafa and NJ on flag. Kron and Azuma on tanking position for u, right?

[humble sage]

ye

[polar lion]

Can go try them and see if it works

[nimble knoll]

Are you new in the game?

[knotty halo]

yes but im new days earlier

[late flame]

in any event she does not occupy *any dock space,
so feel free to ignore

[jaunty vault]

yea that should work
120 might work depending on other factors

[nimble knoll]

Have you read the guide?

[knotty halo]

i read it already

[delicate bronze]

i like the 2nd fleet better but i dont have enough books to 120/125 everyone
can get eldridge and laffey to 120 but would still be missing alsace, independence and shimanto

so i either level them or i find replacements

[jaunty vault]

grind your ships in 12-1

try to get everyone to 125 before you attempt 14-3

[autumn fox]

Guys is the max number of rainbow prints i can get from 1 cycle op si 6?

3 from shop, 1 from arbiter, 2 random from mini boss?

I can't seem to get more than 2 random rainbow prints from the mini boss

[bold surge]

Why is Laffey MLB 1?

[delicate bronze]

i forgor

i havent used her before but no biggie, i can afford bulins

[bold surge]

113k 👀

[delicate bronze]

would this work for bossfleet?

since i dont want to level alsace and shimano rn

and independence*

[delicate bronze]

im uhh a long time player you could say

[jaunty vault]

4 selectors are guaranteed every month (shop and arbiter)
1 selector guaranteed per logger from voucher shop
thats the limit for selectors
theres no limit for UR equip prints from abyssal bosses and cats, the drop rate however is abysmal

by loggers i mean these

[bold surge]

Are those loggers a one time thing?

[plain saffron]

one time each

[bold surge]

So is it a once per month thing, but if you already cleared that month before you dont get it anymore?

[jaunty vault]

its not a once a month thing

[bold surge]

So every reset you can buy 1?

[plain saffron]

once per "number"

[bold surge]

How many numbers are there

[plain saffron]

devs add more number anytime they feel like doing it

[eternal basalt]

Currently 8

[autumn fox]

so basically my luck sucks/average

good to know its not capped thanks

[delicate bronze]

ok, even with 119 laffey and 120 eldridge, this fleet takes no damage compared to my previous one

[bold surge]

yeah, UR eagle union DD's are broken

[delicate bronze]

and the vanguard also happens to be 100% uss so its 2 birds with 1 stone in the end

since im on the uss vanguard pr xp grind

[worldly pewter]

there is no place
u just do the events and buy tech boxes
do gear research that doesn't cost tech boxes and plates

[tawdry halo]

What I meant is that I am NOT going to advance any further besides goofing with the low lv stages

[tawdry halo]

So that I'm asking for a general level below 5-4 to spam

[honest stirrup]

You don't really need to make a "proper" fleet before venturing further. Levels and gear are two ways to improve your fleet so as long as you don't die I don't see why you wouldn't get to w8 where stages start to become interesting to repeat

[honest stirrup]

None of them are good, that's the whole thing

[bold surge]

If you dont care about exp or gear, you could try and farm some limited drop ships.

[vestal yoke]

is it worth buying the commander level boost back?

[tawdry halo]

My acc is just 6 days old 😭

[undone plover]

goofing at chapter 9 is like ~+100% more efficient
that is why i recommend u at least push to ch9

[jaunty vault]

yes, if youve got the money to spare

[tawdry halo]

I just need a general campaign level to goof with this fleet

[tawdry halo]

I'm not going to sortie 6-1 and beyond yet

I'm having too many ships than the equipments I have to offer them with

[undone plover]

rule of thumb is u want enemy at your level at least
so if your ships are level 50 chapter 5 is nice

[woven star]

5-4 can be best choice if you can't go farther.

[elfin hollow]

wait so chapter 12 what level should my ships be?

[woven star]

Don't focused on gear chapters drop. There's a big chance you faster get 9-1 chapter rather nor get full gear from drop parts

[polar lion]

U can read this

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[bold surge]

w12 has lvl 113 ships

[molten solstice]

Uh guys,is Ulrich von Hutten better as a flagship or not?I have her with grobbe and Bismarck in the same team

[worldly pewter]

from 110 to 125

[elfin hollow]

oooh aight aight

[polar lion]

And open purple tech boxes u currently hav

[bold surge]

I would put her off if its with Bisko and Grosse

[molten solstice]

Wait so off flagship or in another fleet?

[bold surge]

off flagship

[woven star]

She MLB?

[molten solstice]

Thank youuuuu :3

[bold surge]

So she can rapid fire

[molten solstice]

Okkkk,and which skill should i upgrade next?

[worldly pewter]

unless u are using her with helena i think it is better to use her on flag for harbiter or something like that

[molten solstice]

Which of the three i mean

[tawdry halo]

Is 3-2 good

Not 3-4, just 3-2, I heard they have the best aircraft blueprints for early game

[worldly pewter]

are u commander locked ?

[atomic abyss]

Well, the issue is you don't typically grind maps for gear BP

[boreal wagon]

farming gear blueprints is a waste of time

[atomic abyss]

You want exp early on

[elfin hollow]

i wanna use bayard but she is only 4 star is she still usable?

[atomic abyss]

No

[polar lion]

Gear prints take forever to complete a useable gear

[atomic abyss]

Get her to max and she'll be usable

[molten solstice]

Then how can we get gear effectively?

[boreal wagon]

tech boxes

[worldly pewter]

and research

[dreamy blade]

tech boxes, and early on gear isnt that important

[atomic abyss]

Research, op siren
Tech boxes for new players

[molten solstice]

The vast majority is purple boxes that im getting

[atomic abyss]

/sirenstats has been updated btw

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1178745695335895070/1350450049947013242/METAstats15.3.25.jpg?ex=67d6c81e&is=67d5769e&hm=beb2cd32319341caf5a008abf3bce1a486290ec3799c55fc3a1fd7835829daa8&

[molten solstice]

I'm level 72

[dreamy blade]

yes purple boxes are good for new players

[boreal wagon]

purple boxes already contain decent enough if not some of the best gear

rarity in this game is a trap

[molten solstice]

That,is the answer i didn't know i needed

[polar lion]

UR tech boxes

[fast steppe]

didn't realise i would get a ur bulin from event rewards, who should i use it on

[boreal wagon]

you mean repair maintenance facilities tech box?

[worldly pewter]

next event ship most likely

[bold surge]

NJ Laffey or Yorktown

[molten solstice]

Are these ok?

[vestal yoke]

when should I think about replacing my portland?

[dreamy blade]

portland is good up to and including ch12

[fast steppe]

think i need CVs more than anything atm so ig it's yk2

[woven star]

Even if ignoring big exp lost chapter 4-1 or 4-4 will be best because drop ships like Saratoga or Unicorn. But anyway I'll recommend 5-4 or higher

[worldly pewter]

aside from the main gun everything else isn't good especially not mlb

[vestal yoke]

also what is the signifiance of battle formations?

[undone plover]

single line bad
double line good
circle situational

[molten solstice]

Sgould i show you my gear?As a whole?can tou help me find the best for her?

[boreal wagon]

(they are pretty significant to answer your question)

[worldly pewter]

u won't be replacing her for a long time
she will be in one of the fleets for a long time
after raising her to lvl 110-115 move her to the boss fleet
around w10-11

[dreamy blade]

they are significant but you can also get away with just never changing it off double line

[polar lion]

Only matters if u can mlb them otherwise save

[tawdry halo]

I just dont wanna do 6-1

[autumn fox]

is homing beacon good for unicorn or shld i just stick to steam catapult

[worldly pewter]

but i use single line almost all the time

[fast steppe]

having the 1 wasted dock space kinda nags at me though

[boreal wagon]

spreading your bulins will nag future you more

[molten solstice]

Ok so what can i use for Ulrich from these?

[bold surge]

Im not sure if it was meta but I used single line in w14 as the DD's require all the fire power they can get

[undone plover]

homing beacon is good to stagger (desync) backline for mob and to sync them for boss, unicorn is usually fast enough she doesnt need homing beacon to stagger with your other mob CV
but if u see unicorn + your other CV fire very close together u can consider it

[autumn fox]

i see ok thanks

[worldly pewter]

come back when u want to do it then

[woven star]

Not sure torps is a best choice

[molten solstice]

AHAHHAAHAHAHA

[worldly pewter]

nothing

[molten solstice]

Oh f

They are outdated asf aren't they

[undone plover]

what u have is fine for now
u can upgrade as u get more gear
I think earliest gear u will possibly get to upgrade is white shell from core shop

[worldly pewter]

u just need to play the game get more gear from different sources and u will have a good uvh by then

[boreal wagon]

isnt that ulrich missing a limit break

[molten solstice]

Yes dw im working on it

[undone plover]

if u have a purple rarity white shell u can replace her autoloader

[molten solstice]

Tomorrow she will be maxed

[woven star]

Let's say 4-6 usable BB guns in a game. 1 dd and about 4 CL second and you don't have (almost) any of them

[undone plover]

i would keep those 2 bulins for implacable tbh and ditch her
unless u really like her

[worldly pewter]

also looks like u are doing campaign with her
u have to understand her mechanic well for that

[boreal wagon]

using bulins on a perma UR is questionable in general

[worldly pewter]

sinano is an exception

[boreal wagon]

maybe

[molten solstice]

I will be homest i love ib so much i only use them

[woven star]

50-50. How many pulls for full MLB 1 perma ship? 1k pulls?

[molten solstice]

Tell me crazy idc

[boreal wagon]

i mean no one can stop you ultimatively and you can still do it

it's just not exactly a recommended thing

[worldly pewter]

just don't drop the game if it becomes hard because u are making it harder for urself

[molten solstice]

Yessir!!!!

[undone plover]

it is not that extreme tbh
MLB UvH is fine

[boreal wagon]

people can play the game however they want

[undone plover]

she is a UR BB after all
it is just that there are slightly better options right now

[worldly pewter]

i wonder if we can try and do w15 speedrun with ib condition

[vestal yoke]

what are the chances of getting a purple rarity ship from a battle in campaign?

[undone plover]

depends on z52 availability and manual I think

[boreal wagon]

not everyone wants to speed run to w15 either

[undone plover]

we dont have exact numbers tbh but I would say anecdotally it is around 30-40 battles
event maps are anecdotally better tho

[boreal wagon]

we don't know the drop chances for pretty much anything

[worldly pewter]

if we start now she is pretty much in 2y from now

[vestal yoke]

I need one more iron blood ship for roon and I'm farming ch 5 map 1

[hallow mountain]

Who should I MLB first
Raffaello or NJ

I just got NJ from the free UR, finally completed the UR collection

[turbid marsh]

i vote raffaello, cause i aint seeing more iowa ships coming this year XD

[atomic abyss]

Rafael yes
Or save for impla if you don't have her

[worldly pewter]

u can do divergent chessboard for more ib ships

[vestal yoke]

what's that

[boreal wagon]

a war archive

[hallow mountain]

dude it's only march

[vestal yoke]

oh gotcha thanks

[worldly pewter]

there are 3 more new events 1 of them is a set on a stone ijn
the likelyhood is high enty2 probably

[vestal yoke]

I just got Z1 after like 13 battles on map 1 LETS GO

[turbid marsh]

lex2* but thats al-general topic. raf self damage is like similar to nj, and then has some support capabilities, and very good mob ship, which is why i vote raf more than nj XD

[worldly pewter]

one of the strongest DDs especially for pvp but she isn't a priority to invest in

[undone plover]

tier niche

[turbid marsh]

very decent dd, low priority in UR

[woven star]

Have nice crosfleet barrage if have lack of cross-barrage vanguard

[eternal basalt]

3 new events with 5(!) URs!!!

[boreal wagon]

assuming 2 of them give us 2

[turbid marsh]

(even in vanguard cross-fleet barrage, low priority, 30 second into battle heehee)

actually no, 30 second kinda valuable, differs from other 20-25 seconds barrage

[woven star]

Depends. At least no battle count. You can be sure she will trigger it on boss. Anyway it's depends on UR dock

And 10% dd trp buff. So decent

Especially on Cassin lvl 70 with 0lb

[forest palm]

[eager mulch]

[vestal yoke]

when is the next banner event?

[forest palm]

5 days

[elfin hollow]

should I LB bismarck?

[atomic abyss]

Regular bismarck? Hell no
There's so many better ships

Even Tirpitz is better

[elfin hollow]

too bad i already did

[turbid marsh]

then why did you ask?

[atomic abyss]

Then why ask

[elfin hollow]

i wanted to know if it was worth it

[turbid marsh]

then ask is it worth it to mlb bismark then lol, answer would be the same, its not worth

[elfin hollow]

wasted a bulin ig

[river yoke]

at end game yes it was worth it

but only when finished the most important girls first

but you need to reach lvl120

btw

how does this work? what should i do for jintsuu meta?

[turbid marsh]

i mean just fortify everything

[river yoke]

what is the difference?

[turbid marsh]

click click click, done

[river yoke]

yes but which ones should i

[turbid marsh]

you know how you use white ships to enhance stuff right? its the same thing

[elfin hollow]

now that i have bolzano (meta) what do i do with her?

[turbid marsh]

nothing. purple meta = not worth

[elfin hollow]

damn

[turbid marsh]

well other than tech fodder, purple meta right now are... well, not good.

[elfin hollow]

it's my first meta so

idk

[turbid marsh]

meta ships in general are not that good tbh...

you would think that they got good stuff and become way stronger in lore, but...

[elfin hollow]

they just become a collectible ig

[turbid marsh]

i mean this can be said for almost... all ships

[wispy cosmos]

why is tirpitz getting jacked off now

[elfin hollow]

what should i improve here?

[turbid marsh]

well what ships do you have?

and i dont think you hit world 9 yet so i dont recommend using 12 ships

[turbid marsh]

well, you can raise that hood, and then find unicorn in guild shop, then use eugen+laffey. those 4 should do their thing quite good pre w9

[elfin hollow]

how tho? i ran out of data packs

commision?

[novel solstice]

Stick them in the dorm, run a few commissions to get the first few levels. Unicorn does enough healing that she'll pretty quickly be able to drag a low level ship through some fights, and at that point you just farm the highest level you can manage.

Slap some hp or evasion gear on the low level ships to help them survive more fights.

[turbid marsh]

well, you can always do like what, 2-3 or 3-4 or whatever to start, and then get to higher and higher maps

[elfin hollow]

thx, i almost wanted to quit for a while since i couldn't clear 4-3

[turbid marsh]

normally i recommend protland but your name suggest eugen, not too big in difference

[elfin hollow]

i want to keep power of both fleets equal but i couldn't find powerful ships for f2

[turbid marsh]

i mean just use 1 fleet for now then?

[elfin hollow]

im concerned about dmg reduction since i had to retreat f1 quickly cuz it was too weak, and i had 0 ammo in f2 so i cant even beat flagship

[frigid elbow]

does getting A-rank or having defeated first try in boss node reduces the chance of getting exclusive shipgirl?
cause for the life of me can't do autosearch 15-4 for the boss, cause my boss fleet always die on the third boss, my threat level is low = 1%

[atomic abyss]

Yes
S guarantees a ship drop for boss nodes
A does not

[frigid elbow]

what if the boss fleet dies, and switches to mob fleet. and the mob fleet got an S rank?

[atomic abyss]

If your boss fleet dies, the battle isn't complete so you get D rank

It always depends on the battle that completes the node

[frigid elbow]

Can I ask anybody to share their boss fleet composition for autosearch, that can do 3 bosses in 15-4. Cause I have doing changing, following, and experimenting on how but always die on the 3 boss

[atomic abyss]

/w15 has some examples

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[tawdry halo]

swap indy with portland

[elfin hollow]

what's the point of that?

[tawdry halo]

portland is a tanker

[elfin hollow]

oh

[tawdry halo]

just swap their position

You do NOT want to see the history repeat with Indy again... not right in front of Portland's eyesight

[hollow gust]

Also just ditch Indianapolis

[elfin hollow]

wha-

[hollow gust]

Indianapolis is one of the worst ships in the game

[elfin hollow]

dawg what?

[tawdry halo]

just get Ping Hai to replace indian

[elfin hollow]

i have her but she's only like l10

[tawdry halo]

Indi is just waifu purpose

[hollow gust]

What no? Ping is just as shit without yatsen

[atomic abyss]

Ping on her own is worse than Indianapolis lol

[hollow gust]

Grab a Helena from guild shop

[tawdry halo]

there's literally no one else in the dock he shown

I never have ping hai anyway 😭

[hollow gust]

Or Pheonix

[viscid swift]

guild shop exists among other things
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[tawdry halo]

Pain

I must speedrun for the Mk. III Bulins to lmb UVH

[hollow gust]

If you don't know how a ship performs , why are you telling others to use them

[tawdry halo]

[atomic abyss]

If you don't know better

Please don't give help

[elfin hollow]

here's the other ships btw

[worldly pewter]

u shouldn't have raised bismark but oh well
u kinda have to keep using her so bismark enty uni eugen laffey port but imo u should try and get helena too
don't leave laffey at lb0

[honest stirrup]

You severely lack any decent vanguard ship so I think Helena should be your new priority.
She's available in guild shop iirc

Oh and yeah. Limit break

[brazen hornet]

I have run 2-4 multiple times everyday for more than a year. I am starting to think that z23 is not going to drop.

[mellow cape]

Are you farming z23 for collection or because you feel like you need her

[boreal wagon]

theyve made themselves the missions to "complete" every stage before moving on, including all drops

[worldly pewter]

the 2-4 choice is the interesting one

[brazen hornet]

As a completionist. Just thinking out loud and checking to see if I had the new member emoji since I rarely post.

[boreal wagon]

#al-general is for that

[brazen hornet]

Me...

[worldly pewter]

12-4 can drop u the ship with quadrillion time the efficiency

[brazen hornet]

I have not made it past 2-4 until I complete everything. 😅

[boreal wagon]

yeah you are just hindering your own progress but u do u

[mellow cape]

they drop.... Everywhere

[boreal wagon]

they know that

we have had this discussion before

[turbid marsh]

thats a discussion i GOT to see.

[brazen hornet]

Yes sir. I was kinda hoping a dev would see this and be like.. oops forgot to check this box, but we know thats not going to happen. 😂

[mellow cape]

Interesting, as long as they know 12-4 has low requirements to reach there. Lvl 100 ships, unicorn, and you're good

[boreal wagon]

they dont want to move on from 2-4 until they drop z23

its a self inflicted "completionist" route that makes no sense to us

[mellow cape]

[honest stirrup]

So they're planning on getting all starter ships in every map?

[boreal wagon]

probably

[honest stirrup]

And I thought I was crazy after the literal 60th HECP repetition to get Isuzu

[brazen hornet]

You can get quite a few ships. Show you here in a sec.

[boreal wagon]

i dont think the issue is that we don't know that

the issue is that that way of playing is just very extreme

[worldly pewter]

and it is unrelated to this channel because it is just drop rate

[brazen hornet]

Not asking for help, just thinking out loud. Sorry about that...

[honest stirrup]

Yeah. You could randomly get Z23 by going after another ship for example let's say Isuzu

[mellow cape]

I mean if you really want to be a completionist map wise, just go for the ships that drop exclusively on one node. Farming those nodes for that one ship (like Amagi and kaga) are bound to net you the ones that drop universally

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/List_of_Ship_Drops

This is the list of ships that drop according to each map. Choukai, Amagi, kaga, Maya, and so on

[weary gust]

You're not understanding the depths of his insanity, kamisubi.

[mellow cape]

No I understand it, just telling him farming 3 is better LOL

[brazen hornet]

I have z23. I dont have z23 from that node. 😂

[honest stirrup]

Maso and proud of it

[viscid swift]

to be fair I kinda did that when I progressed

but bear in mind this was before oil caps were a thing

[boreal wagon]

back then it probably made sense

[boreal wagon]

did u happen to pick z23 as your starter

[turbid marsh]

dont make any sense for me XD even back then its always hit campaign, and then go for 2-4 for commision and oil generator grind later XD

[worldly pewter]

which ship u use for this kind of progression 2 oil ones ?

[viscid swift]

I mean the thing is, the drop rates for the starter are pretty low and they drop from every map from chapter 2 onwards

so if you're gonna do that, at least do it for ships that only drop from 1 or 2 stages

[honest stirrup]

The wiki doesn't show an oil cap for 2-4
Were they not a thing 2 years ago?

[viscid swift]

because you'll be farming for them and Z23 at the same time at half the cost roughlu

[honest stirrup]

.

[viscid swift]

2-4 never had an oil cap

[honest stirrup]

Ok that's partially what I guessed thanks

[boreal wagon]

their self inflicted completionist goal is to fill out all the squares on every map

[viscid swift]

yeah good luck on that one

have you told them about hard mode yet

[brazen hornet]

No I picked Laffy. Just to show you what can be done in 2-4 with the help of the dorm. A method to my madness. 😅

[honest stirrup]

A true completionist would go for 100 affinity on every ship in the game

[boreal wagon]

you mean 200

[viscid swift]

I mean, that's not really impressive so much as whaling and being wasteful

[honest stirrup]

Gyatt damn I'm impressed you even got these PR ships only farming in 2-4

[viscid swift]

and as I said, the drop rates for the starters are really low

[brazen hornet]

FTP with the 30 day supply only.