gameplay-help

[night totem]

I see... I barely touched campaign so I'm still at 14-1, I just hit pr6 anyways so ig I'll do her and kearsarge

[soft raft]

Tbh even before W15 she's still very good

[turbid marsh]

shes pretty good in w14 as well. she shines basically in all campaign, but she is specifically a w15 counter

[shell willow]

it depends on your tech and what enemy you are fighting

[viscid swift]

probably not, that synergy is pretty bait anyway

[tidal python]

Hm, alright.

[night totem]

I see... Rn I'm using unzen in mob fleet as 3rd spot tank so that's why i was a bit skeptical but it won't cost me anything to invest in her so might as well do it

[turbid marsh]

i dont really see unzen as a mob ship except for opsi mob tbh. but if she works she works

[night totem]

I use ply in boss and unzen in mob... Her double torp preload shreds everything. Well sometimes it's a bit overkill though so maybe I should put in her in boss fleet instead and ply in mob

[whole crypt]

was JB ever in any invite item

[night totem]

Is this worth crafting?

[spring bolt]

iirc no

[night totem]

Aight thx

[whole crypt]

wow there really isn't any easy french main fleet options

[eager mulch]

none in medal shop?

[whole crypt]

BB not on rotation

even then it'll only be JB

opened some old invites for Richelieu guess this will have to do

[clever lance]

I need 202 tech points to unlock haku… what’s my best strategy to get the points? Definitely don’t have enough resources to MLB the current ships I have

[hollow gust]

That's why you don't split your bulins to multiple ships

[clever lance]

I still have an invitation for shoukaku lol

[eager mulch]

won’t give you 202

[clever lance]

Would give 48 for mlb lol

[eager mulch]

can you even mlb her

[clever lance]

Yeah why not

[sweet delta]

Just don't get haku for now

[thin haven]

I noticed my fully max New Jersey stop gaining exp what is that?

[subtle grotto]

what does the ACV mean in formation???

[clever lance]

What’s your definition of fully max

[thin haven]

125 lv

[stark quiver]

is she at 3m exp cap?

[thin haven]

Yeah..

[stark quiver]

yea thats why

[thin haven]

What is that?

[stark quiver]

thats the current max exp your ship can hold

[thin haven]

Ohhh damn she is the only ship who always gets mvp on every sortie I did now I'm going to have a problem with PR...

[stark quiver]

even when capped, a ship can still count towards pr exp

[thin haven]

I mean she gained 0

[turbid marsh]

you probably dont need haku when you have shinano and amagi tbh

[stark quiver]

yea thats normal, but you can still get exp from that

[thin haven]

I was doing chapter

Oh

Well that's relief ty

[still merlin]

guys quick question: what armor type does the jellyfish during this month Forward Base is ?
*you know, the jellyfish that got spawn out after ~24 sec of the fight

[wide dome]

My Prinz Eugen is at level 70 and she is a part of my main fleet for now but I hear she isn't that good so is it worth limit breaking her or should i save my gold bulins and replace her

[atomic abyss]

yes, save your gold bulins

[spring bolt]

med

[stark quiver]

medium i think

[atomic abyss]

yeah it's med
same as the boss itself iirc

[stark quiver]

boss is light

[still merlin]

yea I noticed that

[worldly pewter]

how many wyverns and pancakes do u have ?

[eager mulch]

responding to an hour old question that has been answered already

[stark quiver]

Doesn’t even matter how many wyverns and pancakes they have
It’s gonna be no either way cuz it’s not worth

[worldly pewter]

i think it has some usages for timing purposes

[wind hazel]

naaaaaaah

[jaunty vault]

0.02s difference from purple helldivers that would get diluted further when equipped

[keen sable]

Not using capped ships excessively is a good thing

[keen sable]

Airspace Control value. Do more damage, take less damage, etc.

[eager mulch]

[keen sable]

You're missing several basic jp bb

[raven canyon]

woo finally got all of the UR IJN carriers ( Shinano, Amagi, Hakuryuu ) now i just need to try and incorporate them into a fleet but i dont know how

[worldly pewter]

u know a fleet has a maximum of 3 main slots so u basically don't have that much of a choice between a fixed 3

[raven canyon]

yeah i just kinda wanna build a fleet for them

should i just put all 3 of them in one fleet, that'd be pretty funny

[worldly pewter]

the fleet is mostly the main slots
so u want to build a fleet using them for a certain content

a CV fleet only cares about conceal gauge so u want to have enough to maintain it

[raven canyon]

hm

well as of right now i guess i kinda wanna incorporate them into my boss and mob fleet

[worldly pewter]

for offense against a single boss u want to slow it at least when against heavy but for med and light u have to use a stop

[raven canyon]

a stop?

[worldly pewter]

yeah immobilize so the hits land which will make haku being dropped for something like avp

[raven canyon]

ohh

[raven canyon]

you think i should replace saratoga for one the of 3 URs?

this is my boss fleet ( or just fleet for general use )

[worldly pewter]

use shinano when she is mlb but seeing her at 3☆ might take u a long while until then since u want to use the ur bulins for the newer ships

i used 4 bulins for her but that is because i do everything possible to catchup

usually u want to use the perma pity for her dupes

[raven canyon]

hm well i maxxed out yorktown II and z52, i dont really have an use for fritz and laffey II just yet

nor unzen

[worldly pewter]

easy answer is use the mlb ships

haku can be used at dev 25

[keen sable]

it would be funny because it's so bad

don't use non mlb ships

[rough coyote]

So for when i do get the UR exchange thing
Im like 9 cubes away
Do i get new jersey, ulrich, or kronshtadt?

[atomic abyss]

shinano if not mlb

otherwise NJ and UvH are roughly equal in priority

[lyric bison]

Are any of the packs worthwhile or just go straight up gems?

Kinda want oil ngl so i can keep grindin

[soft raft]

buying oil with gems sounds like a horrible idea

[lyric bison]

Im a newer player that wants to keep goin tho.

[soft raft]

Just dont man
especially if it's free gems

[lyric bison]

Oh no im swiping just seein if the pack are worth.

[soft raft]

if you really want to swipe, the first time purchase bonuses for gems are relaly good

And they reset every anniversary

[lyric bison]

Whens anniversary blaster?

[soft raft]

May for CN
Aug for EN
Sept for JP

[lyric bison]

Aug alrite ill try and remember.

[soft raft]

note that this only applies for your region's anniv

[versed forum]

how much wyvern do you need in campaign?

[soft raft]

at most 2-3

[stark quiver]

Need? 0
Want? 3~

[lyric bison]

One last thing blast. What was the coin map again 12-1?

[soft raft]

12-4

[deep solstice]

ok so im running out of space in my cattery. which cats are woth keeping other than the event specific ones like kidd, every, drake

[lyric bison]

Damit lol gna cost alot of oil to get there but alrite thanks.

[spring bolt]

double gem value is the best, lucky bag is good only when you like the random skins and ran out of double gem
oil pack is better than buying oil directly when you are new but buying oil with gem means you are hard whaling
cmdr level boost pack, trade license and cruise pass are the better value ones

[lyric bison]

Got it thanks dfg ill do double gems first then.

[ivory pawn]

Cats that can turn into good stats with a few lucky skills pretty much. Especially CV/BB cats. Can check out the cat guide for some guidelines on what makes a good cat. https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/CatGuide

[spring bolt]

just fyi, daily oil income is roughly 4k to 4.5k, even you are new, it can easily reach 3.5k, so oil is actually quite expensive to buy with gem

[near cargo]

Is there any full guide to complete the Project Identity?

[deep solstice]

so i kind of want to look for cats with talents that buff ships related to their skill yes?

[cobalt rapids]

https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/1204845559790440488

u wanna look for 2 BB cats, 2 CV cats and 2 SS cats for starters

[sweet delta]

i got 2 oscars and 2 bishamarus

BB skill cat may have CV talent, and CV skill cat may have BB talent. Both are fine

[deep solstice]

[stark quiver]

What if my takemaru has a talent from each hull

[deep solstice]

is it worth buying the proto tenrai bp from the proto shop? i already have 35 and need 15 more. I have 1620 proto cores

[tulip zenith]

Is dev 26 haku good

[stark quiver]

No

[tulip zenith]

Ya I think it’s worth buying all of them

[cinder kelp]

Hello, If You call the subs and then launch Uni dropz, do the subs get healed like the rest of the fleet?

[forest palm]

no, only Ryuuhou heals subs afaik

don't think it's even particularly worth to use Ryuuhou these days though

[tidal python]

Otto and Felix both count as Z class DDs for the purposes of Z1's buff, right?

Hm, aight, might use a Z1/felix/otto fleet for 14-4 mobs then

world 14 has all the Subs right? or was that 15?

[cobalt rapids]

w14 and w15 both in stages 3 and 4 recon nodes have subs

[tidal python]

ye aight, odin time

Was there heavy aircraft presence in 14-4 that would necessitate a lot of AA?

[cobalt rapids]

no, you just make sure u have decent range and burst to not leak too many planes and have ur backlines revealed fast

[tidal python]

gotcha, been a while, I'm 50% done 14-4 and figured I should finish it lol

[cobalt rapids]

also odin doesnt help with subs if that is why u pick her

[tidal python]

The one thing I do remember is having to Manual it initially

[hybrid spoke]

She does actually

[tidal python]

Wut... Odin debuffs Subs

[cobalt rapids]

in what way

[hybrid spoke]

Increased sonar so hedge hog can hit faster f.e

[cobalt rapids]

acc debuff is irrelev
so is the scaning

[sweet delta]

she reveals all subs, causing your vanguard to target the far right sub that is concealed instead of the sub that's about to hit your main fleet

[hybrid spoke]

I've been using grad Zeppelin, Elbe and Odin as my w14 main fleet, worked very well

[tidal python]

Ye I have used Odin for most of it as a Mob fleet main with zepplin

[cobalt rapids]

odin works but its not related to her asw capabilities ( non-existent )

[tidal python]

Like Mob fleet was gonna do Odin/Graf/Ulrich and Felix (hedgehog), Z1, Otto.

[eternal moth]

No healer means bad mob fleet

[tidal python]

Ehhhh

Take less damage, don't need to heal.

[hybrid spoke]

Fun thing, cvl can also use ass planes which are commonly not used but they do work for sub heavy content

[eternal moth]

I think you're really underestimating the amount of damage you take in chapter 14

Especially once you hit out of ammo

[tidal python]

I've already cleared all the way up to 14-4 and half of 14-4 so, I think it'll be fine, it's just been a while

[hybrid spoke]

For easier time, unicorn pick probably better choice obviously

[cobalt rapids]

good luck skk

[tidal python]

And if I really do end up needing heals I will just swap Odin with Rupprecht

[eager mulch]

[hybrid spoke]

Why Odin also works well is because enemy BB may shoot at the empty Odin slot in your main fleet which makes them miss resulting in much better ehp

[tidal python]

^^

[hybrid spoke]

Just wanted to point that one out, mono kms runs are fun after all

[eternal moth]

But why is it always the KMS simps?

[cobalt rapids]

feel free, no1 said odin is bad for w14

[tidal python]

I'd tell you why, but I will be informed this is the wrong channel to gush over KMS girls ;P

[eager mulch]

no one has said amagi-chan bad for w14 either

[hybrid spoke]

Why not, any mono fleets are fun in my book

[tidal python]

And also tbh all my fleets are Mono, it feels wrong to me to mix them.

[sweet delta]

in that case then i would recommend using a different major faction for campaign

[tidal python]

I've made it all the way to 14 with Mono KMS, can't abandon them now.

If I can make it through world 13 with KMS, I can make it through 14.

[eternal moth]

Good luck with w15

[hybrid spoke]

Yeah NGL, w15 is rough with mono KMS

[tidal python]

Rough, but possible.

[cobalt rapids]

w13 is much lower diff compared to 14 but some person has done chapter 15 with full kms

[hybrid spoke]

Btw which planes are bis for support Avi fleet?

[tidal python]

I mean Z-52 exists now, I'm not concerned.

[cobalt rapids]

/w15 lists them

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[soft raft]

Well Iron Blood still lacks a dedicated healer

[eager mulch]

they don’t need healing cause they’re not gonna take a lot of damage

[hybrid spoke]

Perfect thanks!

[eager mulch]

they said it not me I couldn’t care less

[tidal python]

I might actually end up stuffing Z-52 in my mob fleet... I'm not sure

She seems cracked at everything

[eager mulch]

luckily they gave us 2 z52 copies

[tidal python]

I only have one 😦

[eager mulch]

kms simp
only 1 z52

[hybrid spoke]

Using more than 1 copy of a ship feels not right

[tidal python]

^^^^ Also this

Am I arbitrarily limiting my builds because of vague feelings? Yes.

Does it make it feel more special when I succeed? Also yes.

God I should've saved a template for what I used in 14 last time, trying to relearn it is a pita.

Anyways, thanks ya'll for the info, I shall get to grinding

[hybrid spoke]

Good luck!

[carmine bison]

Why is my strategic search not working? I have the 5k oil item and I set it to all explorable zones

[eternal moth]

Did you USE the item?

[carmine bison]

Yeah

[sweet delta]

you need to do the research lab or whatever that portal is

it's a one time thing

[carmine bison]

Alright, thanks

[eager mulch]

[bright tusk]

Is odin gun rly perform better than fdg gun for BB with skills on main gun proc when mobbing?

[soft raft]

Barely a difference to make crafting either of those two worth it
Just use the purple IJN Twin 410

[forest palm]

if you want to be fancy 457 is techincally a proc gun

[plucky basin]

Should i use my promise ring on unicorn?

[tame jungle]

if you like her sure

[lyric bison]

unicorns great

[late flame]

though uni is best healer, unless you whale don't bother to oath her for stats

[nimble knoll]

Is there other ways to get promise rings, other than buying it with gems?

[forest palm]

Devs gives like 1 to 2 freebies a year

[sweet delta]

there's been one free handout every anniversary in August, plus a one-time handout when sirius dorm launched

[nimble knoll]

Owh

[vernal flume]

What to do after unlocking operation siren

[stark quiver]

Start doing opsi story quest

[vernal flume]

Here?

[nocturne glade]

On samhearts guides it rates Izumo as the best choice for PR1 catchup, is it because she has 108 SE fleet tech or is there another reason?

[ivory pawn]

Look for red ! on the Overview map, and make your way to those zones. If you don't see any, check the Information menu.

[nimble knoll]

Should I replace Yk2 Purple +6 Tenzan With Anything Here?

[vernal flume]

Ah gotcha tyvm, and if the boss I can’t beat on one go I just click leave in advance to chip it down?

[ivory pawn]

Depends on the boss. It'll warn you if you can't iirc.

[vernal flume]

[sweet delta]

there are two choices,

1. use catchup to get a dev 30 ship to use in your fleet
2. dev 30 a ship first, then use catchup to convert to protocore

choice 1 is questionable for Izumo because you can't even start unlocking her quickly, and by the time you finish her, you may have better BBs or ships to use augment materials on
ask sam

[sweet delta]

it also hasn't been updated since september, which means the guide does not take into account Roon's, Saint's, and Neptune's augments, which are each very strong too

[nimble knoll]

[nocturne glade]

i see, I'll take a look into their augments to see if I need any as well

[ivory pawn]

Are you running into trouble progressing the main campaign?

[barren tapir]

highish end gold bb with augment, doesnt need bulins, comes ready more or less out the gate and newbies lack good bb options besides nelson retrofit and hood, both of which come with potential issues (and hood also needs augment)

izumo would be my #1 choice as well for pr1 whaling. much less so for natural play because by the time you are researching ships you've probably already got nelson and/or hood and/or other options from random things

wait did i misread thought it was about buying the $$ thing my bad

[nocturne glade]

yea already using the 2 other BBs, I guess I'll skip on her then

[nocturne glade]

yea I was just wondering why she was rated the highest there since she did have the most Sakura fleet tech

[barren tapir]

well before nep/roon/saint augs i wouldve agreed that izumo is more helpful early than ibuki in all likelihood. nowadays tho definitely nep > roon/saint for early strength, although saint > roon > nep for ease of actually obtaining, and roon > nep > saint for tech points

imo at least. ppl might rank roon and saint louis higher idk, but personally i definitely needed more tank options rather than vg dps options when starting out (and saint louis has an issue with accessible guns, also)

[nocturne glade]

Ah right cause Saint's aug wants the HE guns

[sinful elk]

chat who else can i pair with yk2 since my kear is only dev 23

[nimble knoll]

Nope, But I Kinda Want My Yk2 To Do More Dmg

[eternal moth]

Saint herself wants an HE gun, the aug doesn't really add to that

[eternal moth]

NJ/Enty could probably work.

[nocturne glade]

makes sense

[barren tapir]

the aug enhances her lust for HE guns even more, so it kinda does

[eternal moth]

If you want a CV fleet, YT2/Enty/AvP, Imp, or Ark would be fine.

[sinful elk]

alr thanks

[barren tapir]

it goes from a "definitely need to have" to "PUT HE ON ME OR I DIE" level

[eternal moth]

If this is for OpSi/META, I'd go the YT2/Enty/AvP route

[barren tapir]

but yeah either way, besides the purple twin203 idk any decent accessible HE gun. i guess algerie gun? idk how expensive that is

[eternal moth]

Algerie gun was, at least at one time, her best option

[sweet delta]

to be fair, all neptune has is tbtsk 150, and all roon has is...

[ivory pawn]

Then don't stress it. Worry about upgrades when you run into a wall, hopefully you will have some better avenues for upgrades by then.

[lyric bison]

is war archives only spot atm to get some gold northern guns?

Think i need it for talin and kron

[tidal python]

Can someone explain the Flare mechanic to me in world 14

I've gone through the entire thing and still don't understand it

Like I get the enemy flares you don't want to stand in because you take more damage, but what does the lighthouse actually do? Or the friendly flares?

[sweet delta]

lighthouse temporarily reveals most enemies on the screen. friendly flare temporarily reveals the enemies in its circle.
Lighthouse is usually good. Friendly flares are usually bad, don't pick them up.

[nimble knoll]

Does Main ships get more Xp than Vanguards?

[sweet delta]

Tallinn can (and should) use an Ironblood main gun, not NP.
Kron can use the NP main gun that came with her event. If you want to use the rainbow gun from Guam's event, then you can get the NP CL gun from war archives or core shop. In any case, it is not recommended to use a non-MLB Kron, and it is not recommended to use UR bulins on Kron unless you're super rich and done with everything else

[sweet delta]

flagship gets 1.5x exp from battle, and MVP (which is often a main fleet ship) gets 2.0x exp from battle

[lyric bison]

Got it thanks sushi!

[fleet cobalt]

Does nelson or enterprise replace saratoga?

[sweet delta]

depends on your fleet. Enterprise does replace saratoga for bosses or if you're a very new player.

[fleet cobalt]

if im like lvl 60?

[nimble knoll]

I see

[sweet delta]

depends on your fleet. Enterprise does replace saratoga for bosses, and also for mob if Saratoga isn't retrofitted

[barren tapir]

true, but neptune isnt as reliant on her gun (she has alright torps and good barrages) saint louis is mgm+1 iirc so much more gun reliant

[barren tapir]

wait what, flares are bad?

[candid spear]

how come friendly flares are bad?

[sweet delta]

they aim at nearby enemies, temporarily revealing them and causing your main fleet ships to target them instead of the more dangerous enemies in the back

[barren tapir]

wait so me taking flares for every boss was doing ch14 on hard mode?

wow im dumb

that does kinda explain why especially the boss command bbs would stay alive so fucking long, especially the one time i didnt have nana on boss

[forest palm]

Only the light house matters

[barren tapir]

pretty hilarious how a vg comp most would prolly say is "better" ended up needing the most number of resets of all my ch14 boss fights, by far

also is that why 14-2 is so hard cos it has no lighthouse

[sweet delta]

14-2 is hard because the boss is a BB(V)

[barren tapir]

but 14-1 is a bbv and it was easy

im still confused why 14-2 boss is such a massive ass jump up

hows it rng, i didnt have to reset a single time in 14-1 boss and all my ships end with 60%+ hp every time, in 14-2 i had 1 run with no reset then every other one was reset hell, especially nanaless needed 15+

i reset 14-2 more than 14-3 (minus my ill fated rocket experiment)

[sweet delta]

according to larsdb, 14-2 yama has 10 more eva, 120 more avi, 10 more fp, 5 more hit, and 18 more aa than 14-1 fusou. And they might have different weapons and/or mobs

14-1 has one respawning prod BB in the boss wave, while 14-2 has two respawning prod BBs in the boss wave

[gloomy light]

fug, i must have missed that somehow

[sweet delta]

so instead of just your top ship being melted, now your top and bottom both get melted, and your BBs have more rng in target selection

[gloomy light]

if i wanted to use all 4 DDGs in a fleet, who would i put in the main fleet and give the sy1a missile to?

[sweet delta]

you're not using them anywhere hard, and they don't have big differences, so it doesn't matter

[gloomy light]

alrighty

[mellow cape]

How many gold plates again for rainbow gear +13

[low spindle]

how do ppl build Amagi(cv)? For boss builds?

[mellow cape]

Amagi (CV), LA9, 2 vits and 2 preloaders is what I see most

For heavy/med

[sweet delta]

Choose the correct airplane type for the boss's armor, then sync her with the slow you use or with the boss stop. Examples here #gameplay-help message

[eager mulch]

how do people build Amagi-chan?

[zenith heron]

How much does Amagi and Shinano combined buffs stuff like Torp Dmg from mounts and Torp Bombers? Trying to compare them to BFG's Damage against light...

[whole crypt]

assuming you have 0 HVARs the one slot where this matters is Shinano's slot 1 and it's probably not too much difference

[storm heron]

upgraded my 12-4 fleet to level 115, and got destroyed by w14, can't even last 2 fights there

[sweet delta]

according to larscalc, they are pretty much identical on light. Choose based on sync timing.
For medium, TB would win more, assuming they hit

[whole crypt]

VIT2 is like 10% less than BFG, buff is 15%

[whole crypt]

sounds about right if that's included Amagi's buff

[sweet delta]

what happened to your hvars though

[storm heron]

what about spearfish?

[sweet delta]

🚮

[rose cosmos]

Hey so for the 57mm, it’s generally better to farm the 37mm through research first rite?

[barren tapir]

what chu yappin about

14-4 kinda wild tho just had anchorage die in 20s

[storm heron]

well farming them through research is just the worst way to get it

imo gear lab > protocore > research

[storm heron]

this just fails 14-4 horribly

[stark quiver]

i wonder

[barren tapir]

i mean idk what u expected

[storm heron]

I expected it to be a brainless unga bunga

[rose cosmos]

How do you get them in gear lab lol

[soft raft]

Basically zero suicide boat interception

[soft raft]

from french tech crates
which are iirc in Merit and guild shop

[rose cosmos]

It’s hard to have one of those blue iris crates to come by

[storm heron]

ohh french tech crates from medal shop

wait merit and guild shop?

[barren tapir]

i hate 14-4 tho fr, it's so rng bc anchorage can take 3-4 torps in a row and ram something and die instantly lol

[storm heron]

did they changed it

[quartz jungle]

Is a 0.95:1 Ship owned: Attacks ratio normal?

[barren tapir]

actually real talk should i be using beaver or torp bulge on anchorage

[soft raft]

ok it's merit and medal nvm

[barren tapir]

i also feel like the beaver speed is helping to kill me

[rose cosmos]

Btw do we have leaks for next banner?

[storm heron]

hmm never know that they are in merit too

[rose cosmos]

I plan to buy the pass for repulse skin

[barren tapir]

idk how that's possible, most ppl have 2:3 ratio or so

[rose cosmos]

It’s hard to get them

Like one crate in a blue moon

[storm heron]

medal have a bunch of them for 15 medals iirc

[quartz jungle]

Oh lmao

[sweet delta]

maybe all they play is chapter 1, stage 1

[barren tapir]

any 14-4 help because i want a boss fleet that doesnt take half a dozen resets in the first 20-30 seconds due to vanguard pressure

[soft raft]

Leaks arent really a thing in this game
CN, JP, and EN are all caught up in terms of major content

KR and TW arent too far behind either

[barren tapir]

isnt even backline issue its vg running into torps and instadying LOL

[sweet delta]

eldridge or jeanne

[storm heron]

[barren tapir]

also im calling bs on the flares thing, no flare boss was harder

fight took about 15s longer...

but its ok cos i got my 3* lethal clear due to that advice

[barren tapir]

man do i really need to do 60 runs of war archive and then lvl125 her not worth

[storm heron]

then torp buldge should help

[barren tapir]

i feel either option has downside tbf

yknow im prolly having issues cos she isnt fs5

no luck probably sucks butt on a stage which is entirely luck based

also is yuudachi or nana better idk if i should risk trying a 120 yuudachi in boss

would be nice data though

[sweet delta]

nana is relatively better against concealed enemies

[storm heron]

me when 3 BB showing up but the next airstrike is in 10s

[barren tapir]

both 14-4 runs she got 140k+ dmg

i should manual once and see if i can push her to 200k

[zenith heron]

Sorry for late reply, but only 1 Hvarcat

that is why I am comparing if its alr to use torp bombers on light compared to BFG's in the Light armored boss fights... (with Amagi and Shinano's buffs considered)

[tulip zenith]

If I wanna get Algerie gun should I do war archives or craft it (I have none of the prerequisite guns to craft it and idk how to get them)

[storm heron]

I don't think it would help that much tbh, it's not like there's any torp missing with the amount of enemy on the screen

[barren tapir]

would it be bad if i just manualled 14-4 boss to completion, i wanna try and get my ass destroyed in 15-1 and 14-4 is a pain LOL

[storm heron]

I manualed with my (clearing) fleet

[barren tapir]

good point tbh but theres been times where shit goes off when there's only bb on top and bottom so everything in the middle misses

[soft raft]

it's prob better to just use BF109Gs
After all, that was used for anti-light as well years before HVAR Hellcat even existed

[barren tapir]

manual would make 14-4 boss so much easier

[storm heron]

I just don't get the point of autoing a lethal stage

[eager mulch]

manual makes things harder for a guy like me

[barren tapir]

also somehow neptune did the same dmg as sandy in 14-4 boss more or less

i assume its concealment funniness

[storm heron]

[barren tapir]

well, neps torps are actually pretty good for a non-ijn ship

[sweet delta]

Fr fr we should all follow 🧀

[storm heron]

is having half the number of la9 normal

[barren tapir]

flex rights and that's basically it tbh

[sharp echo]

with YT2, if i make 3 CV mainfleet. is that a viable strats? or BB is a must?

[barren tapir]

it makes more sense when youve an op account with all the top ships

chat do you think i could manual 15-4 right now

also chat i have a crazy cooking idea for ch15: triple cv backline with momo protecting them from suicide boats

[soft raft]

depends on the content
cuz triple CV only really works in W13 mob in terms of campaign

[sharp echo]

oh so, for mobbing stage only? it wont work against boss stage?

[barren tapir]

on manual at least i feel like momo would be enough to ensure no suicide boats get past

and triple cv...should, in theory, lessen the plane pressure a lot compared to 1 bb 2 cv, but idk how important a bb's targeted damage actually is

[obsidian ivy]

Who's stig

[sharp echo]

well it make sense coz need high burst dmg

[sweet delta]

Good luck killing two pairs of hiyou junyou with 3 CV(L)

[soft raft]

sushigummy

[barren tapir]

oh you need bb for that?

[obsidian ivy]

Oh.. I thought it's a ship

[sweet delta]

Who said stig

[barren tapir]

prolly my name

[obsidian ivy]

Yea

[barren tapir]

so wait can you elaborate cv doesnt have enough focused burst?

[sweet delta]

I guess

[storm heron]

time to use la-9 and bfgs to cover the focused burst

[barren tapir]

also would AA be more important in mob or boss

[sweet delta]

Mob for 15-1 and 15-2

Yes for 15-3 and 15-4

[barren tapir]

[storm heron]

idk, good luck

[barren tapir]

im wondering if i can be ready in like a month to manual with no subs or is that too lofty

[obsidian ivy]

I too love zuikaku plane vomit

[barren tapir]

biggest issue rn is i got no candidates for support levelled besides lusty XD

[obsidian ivy]

Hwa jah?

Chen Hai ok too, and RLD tech

[storm heron]

at least 4 more months tbh

[barren tapir]

how hard could it be

[storm heron]

pvp-ahh planes

[stark quiver]

how good are +13 hvars against med

[barren tapir]

yeah im thinking ill do lusty, lusty muse, and hwah jah

should i get sextuples from protocore or gearlab?

[rose cosmos]

Does azuma prefer he or ap gun?

[soft raft]

she's locked to the HE one until FS5 unless you want to partially break one of her skills

[stark quiver]

worse than +10 bfg?

[soft raft]

and afterwards, depends on the content

[storm heron]

seems like so

[sharp echo]

what if i do YT2 enterprise and hornet2, viable for boss?

oh wait but no healer

[stark quiver]

why healer boss

[storm heron]

should be good for a light and med single target boss

[barren tapir]

dont need healer for boss, but it's not an ideal fleet for campaign as youd want a bb flagship

for single bosses light/med it's a good comp

[sharp echo]

wait, healer is better when mobbing before boss?
i thought it healer is important against boss

[late flame]

in boss fight healer is not required - kill boss before fleet dies

[sharp echo]

oh i think i get it. prolonged boss fight always bad isnt it? just burst all out dmg?

[barren tapir]

yeah healers cannot outheal boss damage usually and you take less damage anyway by killing the boss quicker

[storm heron]

bro used too much HECLPs

[barren tapir]

crazy i think i have more attacks

yeah, 28629 attacks 20647 ships

[storm heron]

[barren tapir]

is anyone willing to discuss cooking manual ch15 fleets with me if i open a thread?

[storm heron]

sure

you can make a thread and post your dock there

hover over the text, press the three dots more, and then select create a thread, and just send a message there to start it

[eager mulch]

[true panther]

Can anyone suggest me a good carrier for chapter 12 ?

[eager mulch]

99.9% win rate scrub

[storm heron]

saratoga, enterprise, unicorn, independence, is all you need

[eternal moth]

Unicorn and your 2 highest level

[true panther]

I use Perseus + Unicorn for mob fleet but idk what should I use main fleet

[eternal moth]

Don't use both in the same fleet.

[true panther]

Thanks

[barren tapir]

literally anything works in ch12 so uni percy is technically 'fine'

[true panther]

Should I use Amagi CV ?

[eternal moth]

Sure

Is she max limit broken?

[storm heron]

well this is why giving tips doesn't work, better to show your dock

[true panther]

It literally just an aircraft spam

[stark quiver]

bro has not seen ch13/15

[true panther]

Almost, her lvl is 105+

[true panther]

Tell me

[storm heron]

occasional loses from blockage towards the boss fleet

[eternal moth]

Level doesn't matter as much as her limit break level

[true panther]

Alright

[eternal moth]

How many times have you limit broken her?

[true panther]

Bruh

[eternal moth]

I don't see any of the 100+ plane swarms, is that chapter 13?

[stark quiver]

thats boss spawn 15

[barren tapir]

hahahahahahahaha

[true panther]

I guess 12-3 is my final destination. I just only want gems to buy NJ skin

[eternal moth]

oh, maybe I'm not remembering right then

[barren tapir]

nice joke, 'aircraft spam'

[stark quiver]

this is more like it

[true panther]

My BB is cooked

[barren tapir]

yeah im fucked but i still wanna tryyy

[eternal moth]

If you're F2P you really shouldn't be buying skins, it really hurts your overall progression

[barren tapir]

at least i have some cope manual strategies i wanna test out LOL like triple cv + momo mob

[stark quiver]

by the time you get to w15, u should have the adequate ships/gear for w15
unless youre like a speed runner

[barren tapir]

what was that doggo

[true panther]

Your ship equipment must be fully upgraded ?

[quartz jungle]

I have 700 helps lol, think I've been using too little actually

[stark quiver]

yea thats the minumum
min +10 , +13s can help a lot

[barren tapir]

anyway im finishing my last 14-4 and then will make ch15 thread where you all can laugh at me ok

[storm heron]

nothing, the sentence just sounds sus

[barren tapir]

im really out of practice on manual tho

[true panther]

Yeah, I'm cooked for chap 13

[storm heron]

anyways manual or not shouldn't matter that much if your AA 🚮

[stark quiver]

thats chapter 15, chapter 13 is way more mangagable

[barren tapir]

yeah but manual still helps because manual stagger airstrikes improves your intercept

also manual improves vg survivability

maybe i can bring AA radars

[true panther]

@stark quiver
What should I change for my main fleet ? All carriers for clearing chap 12 ?

[storm heron]

vg survivability was the least of my worries

[stark quiver]

is this boss or mob

[barren tapir]

is vg pressure less in 15 than 14?

[true panther]

Boss

[storm heron]

new jersey gonna get kicked

[stark quiver]

why nj, when fdg can go in mob

[eager mulch]

sounds like skill issue to me

[true panther]

Alright, should I use unicorn for boss fleet ? I have 2 high level unicorn

[barren tapir]

i miss when i was doing chapter 12, shit so easy

[stark quiver]

use unicorn in mob

also ngl, make a thead and post your entire dock

also 2 unicorn is completely unesesary

[barren tapir]

i do have z52, sandy, rumey

im fucked also ill speedrunn shimanto

[true panther]

I use her in different fleet

[stark quiver]

you dont need a healer in boss fleet

[barren tapir]

shimanto is wife anyway i just havent been getting ijn tech but i could finish that and blitz shimanto in 1.5 months tops

[stark quiver]

luckily for your poor soul, catchup is here

[barren tapir]

[stark quiver]

also, i do not think, the pink fleet will work in w15, even with manual

[barren tapir]

i expect momo to still be useful but nana will probably have to go

since ch15 boss isnt a giant mobfest as much

also i didnt get an answer earlier, if i need sextuples do i get from protocore or gearlab? i need 2 ofc

[true panther]

@stark quiver any ship should I change ?

[storm heron]

ah yes good screenshot

[barren tapir]

LOL

[stark quiver]

who is hiding behind that ball of light

[barren tapir]

giant white blob essexwheez

[true panther]

NJ

[storm heron]

[barren tapir]

then who is flag

[zenith heron]

alr, thanks for the consideration

[stark quiver]

also nj

[true panther]

Perseus

[barren tapir]

where uni

[stark quiver]

i mean,sexys take electronics, so maybe not gear lab

[true panther]

[stark quiver]

#gameplay-help message
i refer you to this message

[barren tapir]

how many wyverns do i need also, im nowhere near my 3rd still (will be next month if i get a plane drop)

[true panther]

Where to make a thread ?

[barren tapir]

i think this month + next is enough for 2 sexys from protocore idk

[stark quiver]

top right on pc

[storm heron]

time to stop answering people until they post their entire dock in a thread

[barren tapir]

oh no

[stark quiver]

if youre runing a suboptimal fleet like 3-4

[eternal moth]

One thing to start with in chapter 12/13 is taking vanguards with actual AA

[barren tapir]

im cooked

[true panther]

Should I use Sandy on my both mob and boss fleet ?

[stark quiver]

make a thread bud

[storm heron]

make a thread bud

[true panther]

I use the mobile ver of discord

[storm heron]

long hold on your message, select create thread

[barren tapir]

make a thread bud

[eager mulch]

[forest palm]

[barren tapir]

can confirm at least in 15-1, triple cv + momo manual works very well

my support fleet is pretty garbage but still managed and 3* cv node is actually easiest (except 0 ammo, then 3* dd)

[hollow gust]

It's just 15-1 , it's really really easy

[barren tapir]

[hollow gust]

Whatever fleet you used for w14 it will work

[barren tapir]

are you gonna speedrun ch15 goose

[hollow gust]

I beat 15-4 day 1

[barren tapir]

i mean on a new account. old account ofc its easy

this is a 4 month old waifu-focused account

[hollow gust]

I haven't touched my lil e account in months

[obsidian ivy]

Triple cv(L)

[barren tapir]

so i dont consider it easy

but am happy i did manage to do 15-1 like i expected i could now off to actually prepare properly for ch15

im curious tho, if anyone knows, are there significantly more suicide boats in 15-3 and 15-4 or can i keep using my 15-1 strategy?

[elfin hollow]

I'm kinda wanting to explore war archives. Saw that some archives have gold ships as drops after 60 battles.

I'm thinking on getting either Duca Abruzzi or Magdeburg. Any good on those ships? Saw them on the fleetbuilding guide

[barren tapir]

well mostly 15-3. for 15-4 im gonna attempt the 1 superfleet strategy with z52+shimanto+sandy

so mob would need a bb then ofc

[rapid grail]

duca is aight, dunno about magdeburg
realistically though, i'd not get them early and later get them once you want to aim for collection as a new player. Current event runs, event reruns and the PR ship system is usually enough to beat all of PvE content in like a year or two; give or take some months with diligence

[elfin hollow]

Aight that's settled. Hopefully next event UR event would be a Vanguard ship XD

Seeing what players on world 10 beyond is using, I'm sure that I need at least a UR ship

[obsidian ivy]

Well I'm farming 15-4 rn but I don't think there's like a fuck ton of suicide boats, there's just a lot of everything, subs and command ships, suicide boats and all

[steel lava]

What is this invitation thing?

[weary gust]

You don't need UR ships for w10+. UR ships didn't even exist until after w13 came out.

[rapid grail]

1. Implacable's the next UR rerun ship. However, on Feb/Mar there'll be a new UR event but we won't know who it is until news shows up.

2. hood/nelsonkai indepkai unikai portland [any sandwich] sandy can beat up to w13 for you
   a more busted SR BB or FdG will help you deal with w14; same CVLs or Unikai + a decent SR CV
   w15 tho you'd need solid fleets, so UR/DRs are partially expected to beat the w15 stages.

Take your time grinding, it'll come

[rapid grail]

basically you get a free ship
read pins for recs though, you're in gph so the rec is more geared towards gameplay

[eternal moth]

First it was oops all rainbow BBs, now it's oops all CV lol

[stone sluice]

Not many but they are gonna be a trouble if you run full CVs

[steel lava]

Who do you think is the best to choose for my fleet?

[weary gust]

None. You'd probably want Graf for KMS tech points, not to use in your fleet. You need to limit break hood ASAP or if you don't have any SR bulins, replace her ASAP.

[barren tapir]

as long as it doesnt increase significantly from 15-1 its np

anyway i have a bigger concern now: how the hell do i get 300+ ijn tech quickly 💀 i never realized how fucking hard it is

[eternal moth]

This is what's known in the business as foreshadowing.

[weary gust]

There's several IJN war archives, limit break the endless numbers of blue/purple DDs from them

[somber quest]

Hahaha I just recently got enough tech for Haku

[barren tapir]

im looking at them and not really

[somber quest]

I can feel your pain

[somber quest]

Nah I tried that war archives farming. You need to be VERY patient for that, have like 9k+ fuel to spend, and farm it to hell

I did mine by just limit breaking via purple bulins, but that route is also a pain

If you aren't super urgent about it, I suggest not grinding intently for it

[barren tapir]

...can i do ch15 without shimanto

[somber quest]

I mean, if you have a ship that can replace her

[frank pulsar]

yes, but it will be more difficult

[somber quest]

I love the name lol, Guided Missile Soup

[soft raft]

Soup delivery has never been more efficient

And explosive

[turbid marsh]

z52 sandy eld should be doable too tbh

[weary gust]

9k oil is not that much.

[somber quest]

Mhm yes, and I got nothing for that 9k

[barren tapir]

only current aa carries i have are z52 and sandy

wait would juneau work

[turbid marsh]

what, you dont have eld kai?

[somber quest]

Grinded for over 20k oil and got nothing worth out of that, should have just grinded 12-4

[viscid swift]

they do not

I would reccomend waiting for Shimanto before you tackle W15

[barren tapir]

ok wait hear me out chat: juneau with the pr6 cl gun

[viscid swift]

no

[frank pulsar]

juneau will explode
probably wait for shimanto then, having only 2 aa ships will be very rough

[barren tapir]

keep in mind i am manualling

[somber quest]

LOL JENEAU WILL EXPLODE

[spring bolt]

even 1 oil is too much for the dammed archive, hate to waste any oil in that thing

[viscid swift]

even with manual it's pretty sus

[sharp socket]

w15 has much harder reqs than w14

[barren tapir]

[viscid swift]

you take of the survivability issues a bit but her AA, utility, and damage are still a lot worse compared to Shimanto

[barren tapir]

shimanto will take months purple bulins are slow

[frank pulsar]

just be patient
trying to force a clear is gonna be a pita without good ship

[barren tapir]

well...i think i only really need the aa tbh

[soft raft]

Cope with Harbin instead

[viscid swift]

oh trust me, W15 has more planes than even W13-H

[sharp socket]

consider better hardware for w15 also

[somber quest]

Hahaha all for that 950 fleet tech right?

[viscid swift]

and you don't have the luxury of 3 CV mob fleets

[somber quest]

I just ended buying out all the bulins in the metal shop and PVP shop

[sharp socket]

youll be fighting the frames as much as youll be fighting the planes

[frank pulsar]

you have not seen the 300 planes in every node yet

[somber quest]

He about to become a guided missle soup in W15

[turbid marsh]

go yatsen then, if you have her

[frank pulsar]

wouldn't recommend her imho, she relies too much on eva

[barren tapir]

i know, ive already beaten 15-1 and ik 15-3/15-4 is much worse

[spring bolt]

no my alt got tirpitz to evade archive... my main farmed single 138.6 a few years, absolute shit experience

[barren tapir]

but if suchi can auto with only gold ships or only perma ships idk

[turbid marsh]

if i remember correctly, yatsen doesn't really need other dragon people and shes actually a decent tank in w15 no?

[somber quest]

Hahaha I farmed too for the washing machines at one point in time, never again

[somber quest]

She needs one other Dragon boat no?

[viscid swift]

well bear in kind Suchi has a lot more tech than you do, good cats, among other things

[somber quest]

Just not Ning Hai or Ping Hai after retro.

[rose cosmos]

Is haku's budget build basically 2 sb2c and a flapjack?

[soft raft]

Post-retorfit she needs at least one other DE ship
Prior to that, it had to be either Ping Hai or Ning Hai

[viscid swift]

and depending on the set up +13, oaths, etc

[barren tapir]

yeah ik but i dont think it's impossible for me. i actually found 15-1 mob easy so. it's only boss i have issues with

[somber quest]

You needed the bagette gun that bad?

[viscid swift]

well that's not really too suprising

[barren tapir]

and keep in mind im aiming for a clear 1-2 months from now, so it'll only get easier. i just dont think ill have shimanto by then

[frank pulsar]

thats because 15-1 is actually easy
15-2 you start randomly dying and 15-3 and 15-4 is just hell

[somber quest]

Battleship gets set on fire and randomly loses half of her HP:

[turbid marsh]

hmmmm i remembered wrong then. perhaps purely use yatsen as 3rd spot for offtank and aa stat stick?

[barren tapir]

i mean you actually do on manual with momo unless 15-3+ has 2x the suicide boat count of 15-1 which ppl have claimed isnt the case

as a result ive managed to do a 3* cv node while losing 0 hp entirely (heal = dmg taken)

and keep in mind my gear is still shit, my support fleet is nonexistent

[somber quest]

You running Aquila + healer or are we doing a double healer situation?

[barren tapir]

which neither wont be the case in a month or two

[viscid swift]

well I wouldn't call your gear shit

[barren tapir]

and half the fights was me learning, so i can do better

[spring bolt]

back then 138 was the only half decent dd gun, and archive was still 1 key for 15min grind time so i was like, why not get a fleet to do 3 runs in 1 key...
it was hell

[barren tapir]

and z52 isnt 125 yet or maxed skills

[turbid marsh]

wait, hornet and lv120 z52

[viscid swift]

like I said, 15-1 is really not a good indication though of the rest of the chapter, bearing in mind you'll have to fight multiple bosses later on

[sharp socket]

u have both illustrious wdym no support fleet lol

[barren tapir]

1/3 support fleet. 2nd lusty is -40% dmg dealt and hornet is basically a slot. (she isnt even max enhance)

[somber quest]

I'm going to be honest: I mostly used pea shooters with the 76mm AA gun (Shimakaze, Kawakaze, Z52-esque ships)

[frank pulsar]

just use langley retro over hornet

[barren tapir]

yeah like i said itll be significantly improved in a month

[stone sluice]

Better to wait for Guam rerun

[barren tapir]

but point is, do i need shimanto or can i focus elsewhere bc shimanto will likely take me 3+ months due to tech

[somber quest]

Remember the prints too, unless you already have like 500 prints saved up

[viscid swift]

I would still strongly reccomend it

[barren tapir]

i really dont think im underestimating ch15 btw, i know how hard it gets. ppl said the same thing about ch14 and i did it with my own cooked fleets on auto

[viscid swift]

at the very least do catchup on her to have her BPs on standby

[barren tapir]

i am, the main issue is tech

[viscid swift]

it shouldn't be that difficult tbh, just bet a bit more creative shall we say

[barren tapir]

simply dont get enough purple bulins

[viscid swift]

like focusing on other IJN PR ships with lower tech requirements

[spring bolt]

just fyi: don't forget ijn ships in core data shop, merit shop, medal exchange, guild shop and various invitations

[barren tapir]

i need like 350 more tech 💀

[sharp socket]

tech shouldn't be that bad if you just look at everything you can use

theres like 30 IJNs in guild shop for one

[somber quest]

I did that in half a month

[barren tapir]

i actually have almost enough ships in my dock with decent contribution to reach it, the issue is...bulins. i need like 25-30 bulins

[somber quest]

So you should be fine

[barren tapir]

again the issue is bulins, more than anything else

[viscid swift]

what are you spending the purples on anyway

[somber quest]

Same for me, I started with 1 purple bulin 1 gold bulin

[barren tapir]

ive marked out where to farm dupes for some of them but many will still need bulins, like the guild shop ships

[somber quest]

Gained ~400 fleet tech in two weeks so you should be fine

[sharp socket]

you can just buy dupes for the guild shop ones?

[barren tapir]

well earlier this month, was on CN ships for harbin

[somber quest]

Oh boy, be prepared to farm and get nothing for thousands of oil

[barren tapir]

im low on guild token cos i expanded my dock

[viscid swift]

yeah that might have been a bit of mistep

[somber quest]

That still takes forever though

4 shop resets /week

[sharp socket]

meh tech isnt fast

[stone sluice]

Speaking of w15, do we know how many people have beat w15 on EN servers?

[barren tapir]

bro like 3 days ago i didnt expect i would breeze well not exactly but close enough through ch14. yall hyped it up too much

[somber quest]

You can grind like I did, it will just cost you an unforgettable amout of resources

[viscid swift]

well, that's because you were well prepared

[sharp socket]

if u play on manual and know how to manual correctly you can get away with alot more things

and also you have some good stuff yea

[stark quiver]

no not rly

[somber quest]

Zero timing needs be like;

[viscid swift]

and even between W14 and W15, there's still a pretty significant step up in difficulty

[barren tapir]

well yes i intend to manual ch15 and i mostly wanna get it done because i see the end of the tunnel and have become impatient

then i can kick back and relax until ch16 yea

[viscid swift]

which you have about 9 months for

[sharp socket]

w16

[barren tapir]

well i do have a low oil fleet idt dupes will be too big an issue for blues. purples tho...i know how hard those can get for sure

yama/fusou ill just low oil ch6 for, ise/hyuuga need warchives tho. as for others...well. it's a long list.

[somber quest]

Wait quick question y'all, how do you all get your dorm food. Through buying them with fuel, shops, or what

[sharp socket]

i don't

[viscid swift]

when they appear in the general shop and medal shop

[barren tapir]

dunno, it just piles up and i use it occasionally when i needto lvl ships a bit quicker

[somber quest]

Try getting the purple CVs lol

[barren tapir]

i have hiryuu and souryuu ofc but yeah i am not farming those realistically.

[somber quest]

I'm leveling ships all the time lol

[somber quest]

Haha i did and I would just like to advise others not to

[barren tapir]

dorm is really minor exp compared to what i can output anyway its just a slight bonus

[stark quiver]

i bought a quarter million and it never ran out since
dont do that

[sharp socket]

ive been using cola for like 2 months and only halfway through while the blue cola built itself back up

[barren tapir]

i mostly always use dorm just for morale and i never grind below 120 for exp

[somber quest]

LMFAOOOOOOOOO

[somber quest]

Oh dorm w/o food still gives morale?

[sharp socket]

quarter million colas?

[viscid swift]

well it's pretty difficult to run ou of cola and coolant

[barren tapir]

ofc it does

[somber quest]

He not topping up like 150k gems man

[barren tapir]

[somber quest]

Haha I am though....

[viscid swift]

skill issue

[sharp socket]

i wish you would not ping me for unrelated responses while im in the chat

[somber quest]

I mean I still have 2k plus of cola but you know, just in case

[stark quiver]

curry

[sharp socket]

dayum

[somber quest]

My bad, man needed those cleared notifications

[barren tapir]

sooo, worth to try and rush shimanto or get creative instead cos shimanto will consume a lot of resources that could maybe go somewhere also helpful like gear. idk lol

[viscid swift]

what helpful gear?

[sharp socket]

wait thats 12.5mil oil

[barren tapir]

honestly idk but im already constantly poor and mass lbing ships while farming inefficiently wont help

[stark quiver]

ive used all my mail oil since 2020 for that

only started saving a while ago

[somber quest]

If you're saying gear lab, that's bascially OpSi farming

[barren tapir]

gear lab still costs coins, also upgrading gear

[somber quest]

And we all know how OpSi farming is = horrendous

[barren tapir]

is juneau really not usable

[viscid swift]

well put it like this, I put Shimanto through W13-H when she was only level 105 on its release and she handled herself quite well

[rapid grail]

late, but yat sen. picking her saves you the hassle of having to gamble for her (extremely NOT recommended, only time you'd do so is waiting on wishing well events)
picking you also enables the usage of DDGs (An Shan from the colorong book event, Fu Shun and her retro item from the Fu Shun minigame, and the other 2 DDGs you can buy from the Guild Shop)
enables Chineses frontline viability with other Chinese ships for mobbing contents. sees pretty much good usage for cheap until you get better rarity ships lol

[barren tapir]

i also need to work on my support fleet, hwah jah and langley

[stone sluice]

Just be patient, I know you are just gonna try and see how it goes.
But shimanto wont solve anything just herself

[viscid swift]

a lot of ships would be hard pressed to be called "usable" in w15, just how difficult the stage is

[barren tapir]

yeah but i mean she's my next best aa option atm

[sharp socket]

wasnt there a guy running full torpmemes for 15-3 one time

[elfin hollow]

I'm almost level 60! I'm excited for OpSi.

Sorry if I'm wrong but do I get to choose which META ship to grind? Or it's sequential (to get META B, I must fight META A)

[barren tapir]

oh and hamman2 ig but she's even squishier

[somber quest]

Some METAs are available permanently, while for example Taihou META is limited

[barren tapir]

then again if i can keep nana alive on manual really easily it shouldnt be that much harder, hamm2 can use manjuu too

[stone sluice]

Also, 15-3 is a high step after 15-2

[barren tapir]

also suchi tierlist says juneau is still a C for ch15. means usable with support

[sharp socket]

the plane hell really feels like hell in 15-3 and 15-4

[viscid swift]

well you'd patch one hole only to find a bunch more with to fill with that basically

you can certainly try but I wouldn't have terribly high expectations

[rapid grail]

dossier analysis lets you choose a meta to grind for. good recs include souryuu and helena metas for now
and you'll be able to chip down taihou meta as of writing as well, do that and you basically get decent ships who need no bulins to MLB

[elfin hollow]

So those Blacked out META silhouettes in the meta selection are permanent unless there's like a time limit on it?

I've seen Helena META doesn't have the time limit as Taihou (iirc until March only)

[barren tapir]

okay actually what if i use hamm2 in mob so i can have sandy for boss still (original thought for superfleet is z52 sandy mob, and shimanto boss)

[elfin hollow]

Imma grind for Helena META. I've saw her on the guide and I was so happy XD

[barren tapir]

hamm2 also really relieves asw pressure

[somber quest]

Yep

[sharp socket]

super mob fleet is kinda pain to do btw

[barren tapir]

i should put 'super' in quotes actually yes

[sharp socket]

i had sushi uni aquila brest sandy eld and still didnt finish 15-4

[somber quest]

Oh uh just one thing, I don't know which silhouette you mean exactly, but some like kasumi meta are still limited. You can see which are not on the wiki

[barren tapir]

might not even be possible with my current bbs, or i could try and manual super well to run 3cv thru boss 1 and 3 (yeah i doubt this)

[sharp socket]

if boss is good then just do boss mob boss

[barren tapir]

but were you manualling

[sharp socket]

how do i manual on 5 fps

[barren tapir]

[somber quest]

He has a point-

[rapid grail]

get a better phone
or pc for emulator

[elfin hollow]

Yeah that's almost as realistic as commanding a real ship.

Slow ahh hell you get a lot of time to make decisions

[stark quiver]

never use now.gg browser, for w15 on a laptop

[somber quest]

64 GBs of DDR5 guys its great

[elfin hollow]

cries at DDR4

[somber quest]

Wait what people use now.gg for AL??

[sharp socket]

ill try ldplayer someday

[stark quiver]

use mumu cel

[stark quiver]

i tried it, ran less than 1 fps and ran black and white

[somber quest]

LMFOAOOOOOO BLACK AND WHITE

[sharp socket]

meh ill see if i can do boss mob boss first

[somber quest]

Crazy GPU usage man, 150% I bet

[quartz jungle]

Almost any phone actually, I could run AL on manual with a $100 phone

[rapid grail]

150 usd~ phones nowadays are aight for AL gameplay nowadays. handy 2nd phone just for AL

[turbid marsh]

dies in 4 hours XD

[somber quest]

I just emulate it to be honest (and yes I did get a good phone), it's just nicer on PC for me lol bigger screen

[stone sluice]

Hail tablet

[somber quest]

I tried it on iPad pros and Samsung tablets but it still overheats lol

Maybe the L2D is just too strong

[turbid marsh]

pads should work fine, at least for me. just dies in like 5 hours or so

[somber quest]

LOL

Plug-in PC benifits: No power dying moment

[frank pulsar]

your phone will start burning irl when you try to play w15 on jt

[last zenith]

Which one is much better in excercise, shimakaze or z52?

[quartz jungle]

I've already cleared 15-2, no problems so far

[hallow mountain]

is Kashino available in the Special gacha?

kind of confused if she's still available or not

[soft raft]

#pvp

[soft raft]

Should be since that's where the misc hulltypes go
Tho not like you should be pulling Perma heavy or special at all

[ivory pawn]

I got her during York2, she's in there. Wiki agrees.

[storm heron]

shimakaze

[wary skiff]

Is there a way to get jintsuu meta currently

[storm heron]

has a chance of dealing massive damage to enemy backlines

[ivory pawn]

She should be the next dossier added iirc. Or the one after. Probably when Taihou META leaves.

[hallow mountain]

well I want her

i know she's useless but still

[soft raft]

Dawg we have a extremely likely chance for a new UR next month

And a non-zero chance of Implacable rerun possibly right after
It ain't worth the cubes

[hallow mountain]

nah

[storm heron]

tips given, choice is yours

or you can just wait for wishing well for better chance

[viscid swift]

You have less than a 0.5% of pulling her,just wait for the next WW

[hallow mountain]

i think it's 2.5%

[inner delta]

for her only, you havent count the total unit you can pull from it

[viscid swift]

It isn't without rate up

[inner delta]

the rate go down

[wary skiff]

So no way currently? Someone mentioned this before and I joined not too long ago so was curious how she was gotten before

[ivory pawn]

She used to be obtainable like Taihou META currently is.

[storm heron]

yeah no way, she was obtainable about 2 years ago, and haven't got her rerun yet

[soft raft]

She came out iirc one year ago via the META Showdown
And she's the next showdown META in line to be added to the dossier tab

[wary skiff]

Damn ok ty, I’m working on Helena meta now

[civic crag]

what's the best anti light fighter

[sweet delta]

/wiki hvar mounted

[hallow mountain]

also yeah i've been wondering about this

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Grumman_F6F_Hellcat_(HVAR-Mounted)

[hallow mountain]

what does the secrets asmr thing even do, other than some voiced storylines

[civic crag]

thanks wb anti light torp

[civic crag]

what else is it supposed to do other than be mommy issue bait

[storm heron]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/BombSpread

[hallow mountain]

Something to listen to while you lie on the bed and realized how much you missed in life while crying your balls out

[sweet delta]

The same as anti heavy torp

[fallow sedge]

How to increase comfort in dorm

[sweet delta]

Buy dorm furniture

[barren tapir]

guys have i cooked something good if i put this on my 15-2 boss flag

or would rudder still be better

[storm heron]

equipping it should reduce failure by a third

[wind hazel]

rudder is better

[civic crag]

is FdG damage supposed to be underwhelming compared to b2 and Nj

[sweet delta]

Either rudder or sneaky should let her survive for 1 but not 2 salvos

Maybe sneaky has a better chance to tank 2 salvos, but I wouldn't risk it

[storm heron]

is it gonna be aurora's first D in the winrate window

[peak moat]

Pretty much yeah

[barren tapir]

well sneaky would probably activate on the first hit assuming i let planes through which probably will happen, meaning it should iframe one full salvo

[peak moat]

Fdg got powercreeped

[civic crag]

rip

[barren tapir]

i saw the deletion window is a bit over 1.5s so...dunno, am i cooking

mostly its just a failsafe if i mistime a cv strike due to planes/red circles obscuring

[peak moat]

She is still s tier. Dmg should be comparable

[sweet delta]

But the second salvo 20s later will take the remaining 75%. And you're not even using a UR BB with 10k hp

[barren tapir]

i probably only need 1 failsafe, im not THAT bad

just a question on if its easier to rely on the passive, or 12 extra eva

also is it random who they aim for, cos in a video i watched to familiarize myself w the boss, they aimed for the top slot first, then flag

nuking an aquila and bringing nj to half

also, staag or roomba on backline?

[stark quiver]

staag

[sweet delta]

They don't aim at concealed ships

[barren tapir]

but i dont think bbs have concealment in ch15

oh wait i get it, so if the cvs are revealed itll be somewhat random, if theyre hidden it all goes on the bb

[wary skiff]

Why are some of my Odin main gun shots black with a blue outline?

[sweet delta]

Those are New Jerseys shots

[wary skiff]

Ahh off fleet thing?

[peak moat]

Who is good replacement for amagi cv in Sakura fleet?

[stark quiver]

hakuryuu

[storm heron]

implacable

[peak moat]

I have haku and shinano

[storm heron]

HA

TAKE THAT

[stark quiver]

fybre = 🔮

[tender girder]

i just got Jeanne d'Arc.. is she worth building up?

[barren tapir]

would ruppy or yami be tankier

[stark quiver]

are you trying to see who becomes the cannon fodder

[wind hazel]

depends on your current lineup. she's good ship but also not that high priority, depending on dock

[peak moat]

Not a fan of bad teeth

[storm heron]

[barren tapir]

nah i just need smth tanky enough to let me pause if needed LOL

[wind hazel]

wtf racist against British!!

[storm heron]

I didn't know implac had bad teeth

[stark quiver]

its uh, a stereotype

[barren tapir]

one big issue i noticed with yami is she wont have eva from augment. but then she does have a heal, AA/eva selfbuff, and high luck so...

meanwhile ruppy has eva from augment and 15% dmg reduction

[stark quiver]

anyways................august von parseval

[peak moat]

Sakura fleet

[storm heron]

if only we have ehp% nelson

[wind hazel]

lost cause

[stark quiver]

do you want all your torps to miss?

[wary skiff]

15+5 hard spring festival sorties worth the oil over grinding campaign up after getting all the stuff I wanted?(core data was the main thing I wanted)

[barren tapir]

in terms of actual eva, yami would have 72.45, and ruppy would have 91

[peak moat]

Idc, I’m making a Sakura fleet

[stark quiver]

musashi

[storm heron]

nagato

[wind hazel]

no, dip out when you get enough from milestone

[barren tapir]

so honestly maybe ruppy should go in boss? but yami has 6% more evarate from luck

what is tankier why no main fleet ehp calc

[storm heron]

I mean nagato can 4 strike meta with full tech and oat

I guess musashi make more sense for campaign boss fleet

[wary skiff]

Ty, couldn’t tell if phase 21-23 was worth it or not or whether it’s just one of those “battle pass things” that just gives someone something extra for running it so much

[slow fox]

Is this true? Is Nelson a standard for mainline eHP?

[wind hazel]

phase 23?

[storm heron]

would pennsylvania be better

[slow fox]

I have no idea. I'd ask Sam or Suchi or Jimmy.
Or Mori.

[barren tapir]

idek what a mainfleet hp standard would be

[wind hazel]

oh you definitely want gold plates from phase 21

[wind hazel]

even the DR blueprints on 22 is worth imo, skip the last one

[wary skiff]

Thanks I’ll do that

[stark quiver]

gold crane

[barren tapir]

but uh can someone tell me if 8600 hp, 91 eva, 15% dmg reduction, 15 luck, or 8300 hp, 72.45 eva, 8% hp heal proc, and 75 luck is tankier?

[stark quiver]

i have no idea what those numbers mean

[slow fox]

Fine I'll do it

[barren tapir]

im leaning towards ruppy tbh

[storm heron]

cause when musashi first released I am pretty sure somebody made a chart where musashi is 20% more tanky than fdg fs5, it's on reddit though

[wind hazel]

i think the left one is better

source: my ass

[barren tapir]

mostly a question of how much does 6% evarate matter on main fleet ships against enemy BBV because thats the main diff. also hang on i can check their stats on larsdb

[wind hazel]

just get FDG

[barren tapir]

ok ise 93 accuracy 30 luck, hyuuga 99 accuracy 30 luck

[stark quiver]

shes doing 15-2

[wind hazel]

i bet my ass fdg is still better than those 2

[crisp raven]

end screen fleet damage taken feedback? because that would also totally be reliable numbers /s

[slow fox]

As a function of enemy hit. Breakpoint at enemy hit 14. Otherwise 15% DmgRed is too strong

AKA Mori right

[wind hazel]

no i am left

[barren tapir]

idk what those numbers mean but ty

[slow fox]

8600 HP better in basically every case

Used level 130 enemy btw

[barren tapir]

yeah will use pink then

128 vs 130 not a big diff i doubt it changes the result, tyvm

[stark quiver]

ew desmos

[storm heron]

well level 130 enemy gonna have more damage against 125 flagship, so damage reduction good

[slow fox]

That's very DDDCXXD-1-32XX12 of you.

[barren tapir]

now, is rudder or sneaky better vs burst damage

im betting on sneaky but

i only have 1k oil left so only 1 attempt lol

[slow fox]

How did you get 91 EVA on 8600 HP? Are you putting rudders on battleships?

[barren tapir]

i got myself 2 +13 sextuples tho, so how hard can it be

[barren tapir]

40 base + 3 tech + 28 sneaky + 20 augment

[storm heron]

what about something like 11117 hp, 38 eva, 33 luck, 30% damage reduction

[slow fox]

What is "sneaky"

[sweet delta]

What's X

[barren tapir]

ok here goes nothing ig

[slow fox]

When something doesn't have a value on it.

[sweet delta]

Why is there X in the middle of the tiers

[storm heron]

is it referring to the regal?

[slow fox]

Literally unplayable

[barren tapir]

is using an AA radar on sandy for additional security worth it

[slow fox]

Here's FdG. Moriright again

[barren tapir]

barely a difference relatively speaking

about 1k ehp diff at 93-100 hit and we know they can oneshot even strong bbs so im really just relying on sneaky to stall to pause

[slow fox]

On average, it's 8% more eHP

[barren tapir]

how much does this boost sandy's AA

[stark quiver]

wtf is regal
the only one i know is the🎥 place

[warm pivot]

What to do with all these blue and purple cat boxes??/

[slow fox]

45% more eHP

[barren tapir]

end game tierlist

[stark quiver]

open the purps

[barren tapir]

musashi too op

[warm pivot]

and the blues?

[stark quiver]

just hold onto them,

[barren tapir]

and thats also without a rudder on them lol

[stark quiver]

or open them and use those cats as food for other cats

[barren tapir]

welp i have +13 sextuple sandy with breguet+wyvern+flap amagi and double flap rumey surely it's enough AA to just focus on the bb shot

[barren tapir]

so about 13%

[stark quiver]

what ship is this even referring to

[barren tapir]

also i didnt know shimanto was so far from sandy

[wind hazel]

been wanting to ask why isn't there a calculation for z52 using 113?

[slow fox]

I just spammed low-rankings.

[plain saffron]

how do i read sum, but as a bar

[sweet delta]

It doesn't even have the correct number of columns

[cobalt gate]

is there data on how likely opsi cat will have gold success?

[slow fox]

It didn't come to mind. Should I include it?

[barren tapir]

also could i trouble you to show juneau AA with the 150gun

[wind hazel]

yes, since most build use 113 imo

[slow fox]

That's very DDDCSSCDBXX-1-31221X12XXXX of you

[stark quiver]

[sweet delta]

I think that's not a real row

[slow fox]

It is a real ship. It is @stark quiver .

The 113 is a pewpew gun, right?

[dry tree]

Hello, Any tips for chapter 15? Is it the same as chapter 14 but with this support?

[stark quiver]

/w15

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[barren tapir]

ITS HELL, RUN AWAY

[dry tree]

I need 100 gems right now. Might as well clear two stages of it

[shell willow]

whats "150Gun" ?

[slow fox]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_150mm_(Type_5_Prototype)#Type_0-0

[barren tapir]

youredead

[shell willow]

ohh

[barren tapir]

actually jk cos i have no idea how strong your account is LOL but uh it's hard xd

apparently some jp dude cleared 15-2 auto with mikasa flag time to watch and cope

[cobalt gate]

wait is this good?

[stark quiver]

the gun?
no its niche

[slow fox]

It's good for AA.

[slow fox]

[dry tree]

Dumb question, are submarines still abundant in that world? It didn't mention in the guide

I was suggested a fleet composition that helped me clear 14-4.

If they're still abundant ill go and reuse it.

[cobalt gate]

its airplanes

[stark quiver]

x-3/x-4

follow guide to best of ability, if cant, open thread and some person will help you

[cobalt gate]

you could also wait for new gear lab coming

getting a new anti sub aux

[dry tree]

Alright, thank you, I'll open one once I have further questions

[shell willow]

subs only in recon nodes, but r u sure the guide didnt mention it

[stark quiver]

just... hedgehog

[sweet delta]

I'm sure the guide mentioned it

[barren tapir]

guide mentioned subs appear in 15-3 15-4 recon nodes

[dry tree]

Ah, Sorry, I only ready the first 2. My bad.

[sweet delta]

You're good. That's 2 more than what most people read

[stark quiver]

does kimo make guides

[sweet delta]

Yes, for example hinden gun sucks and is worse than drake gun

Or how to farm gems in 2-1

[stark quiver]

no text guides?

[storm heron]

missed the old days with just3C or admiral neldrin slides

[barren tapir]

yes like struggling to manual ch15 with a stacked endgame account. iirc

can this do 15-2

[stark quiver]

i miss the days where i followed neldrin guides

[stark quiver]

maybe?

[wind hazel]

stacked endgame account

[barren tapir]

how big a gain is a +13 sextuple from a +10 roomba btw

wanna know if my life will be noticeably easier now or nah

[wind hazel]

maybe he's stacked

[storm heron]

should be massive