gameplay-help

[storm heron]

but people said mipper better than eugen

[spring bolt]

on paper, similar to eugen, and their shields are also similar

[barren tapir]

well im following mebot calcs, i know cn does it differently

but per mebot, 107% mipper, 122% eugen

[wind hazel]

both are fine tanks if they are tankier than portland lol

[barren tapir]

tbf i do think mebot was like "her shields will disappear in 1 second" which is a bit pessimistic

[wind hazel]

at that point you'd just choose whichever is more convenient to use, eg which is MLB, which can do more dps in return blablabla

[fast steppe]

why isn't Cheshire gun recommended to craft from gear lab?

[barren tapir]

well mipper dps shud beat eugen almost certainly

not needing gold bulins is also a point in her favor, but enhancement requires opsi playing

since cruise pass alone isnt enough or is too slow probably

[barren tapir]

expensive

[wind hazel]

yeah and imo there's better stuff to buy from the shop for a new players than her 4 crystal frags to mlb her

[soft raft]

Too pricey

[wind hazel]

when you can use other ships just fine

[fast steppe]

ic

[barren tapir]

that's fair, i dont think she's particularly better or worse an option, you lose 8k event points to her mlb but gain 4 gold bulins. it's a tradeoff.

[quartz jungle]

12 T2 mats 💀

[soft raft]

12 not 18

[quartz jungle]

You can obtain the Mk IX by other means than gear lab?

[barren tapir]

it goes from the purple -> triple 203 -> twin 234

[fast steppe]

so overall it doesn't look very worth to craft ca guns at all from the picture guide

[quartz jungle]

Oh I see

[spring bolt]

not enough arrows

[soft raft]

Purple -> Triple 203 Mk IX -> Triple 234 or Triple 203 Mk X

[wind hazel]

just use eugen gun, it's a solid stop until you can get the fancier ones

[storm heron]

try to get the gold CA gun from iron blood tech boxes yes

[barren tapir]

are the fancier ones all the UR guns ?

[wind hazel]

somewhat yeah

[fast steppe]

actually do I have enough of the "fancier" ones to not have to craft more

poverty fancy at least

[barren tapir]

10 eugen guns just sitting there

[wind hazel]

most of the gold ones are like slightly upgrade at most, the return of investment from the materials needed are hard to justify

[fast steppe]

ic

[wind hazel]

🫃🏼 didnt stop the newbie me from crafting some though

[barren tapir]

i did make a cheshgun for lala since its rld is faster than many other ca guns, for higher uptime on her self buff and enemy debuff/pull. was expensive but i think it was alright in the end

[stark quiver]

i made a monarch gun
my economy was destroyed

[wind hazel]

as long as they don't delay the bigger upgrades for your fleet i think it's fine too

[fast steppe]

tbh I don't really know what else to craft other than wyverns atm

ig I'll just hold on to my mats

[wind hazel]

i think /gearlab can offer some

[quartz jungle]

I just crafted both Monarch and Cheshire gun from blueprint

[stark quiver]

i thought i told you in ur thread

if you dont do anything that needs immedietly usage of a certain gear, then just hold onto it

[soft dagger]

556meta homura

[barren tapir]

when in doubt holding on to mats is safe and good tbh, don't make anything til you actually need it

[soft raft]

Dont forget
Tenrai in gear lab soon

[stark quiver]

and plygun

[fast steppe]

ic

[soft raft]

Ply gun next year

[stark quiver]

bruh isnt plygun added with the tenrai

[storm heron]

I think bro thinks this is 2026 since yesterday

[soft raft]

Plygun is Pr5 UR Gear
Tenrai is PR4 UR Gear

[soft dagger]

flasher

[soft raft]

We dont even have regular PR5 in gear lab yet

[stark quiver]

i feel betrayed

[spring bolt]

let's burn yellow chicken to the ground

[soft raft]

Smol indie studio pls understand

[wind hazel]

but maybe they will add pogger CL gun to the lab

[soft raft]

Wait Northern Parliament doesn't have a gear lab tab right

Wonder what they'll do to fill it In once the PR5 stuff gets added

[stark quiver]

also how much gems are animated skins usually worth

[spring bolt]

probably a new tab like french

880/980 iirc

[stark quiver]

thx

[whole crypt]

sup mogs

[storm heron]

:mogadoro:

[wind hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1243504506176667688.webp?size=56

[eager mulch]

[whole crypt]

that's a new one

[storm heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1243504506176667688.webp?size=56

[wind hazel]

-# yoink

[stark quiver]

also i forgot, new skins release tmo or thurs?

[whole crypt]

I see patch notes for Thu so the usual I guess

[spring bolt]

26th

[storm heron]

thursd

[whole crypt]

[barren tapir]

[stark quiver]

average leaderboard farmers score

[whole crypt]

well not buying more vouchers than needed is going to be 50k of that

[keen sable]

doesn't mean you didn't miss anything

[whole crypt]

conversion stones and blue/purple cat boxes add to 16k

just thinking whether I should skip the PR7 prints

[stark quiver]

i would

[sweet delta]

Do you need 150 more protocore on top of your 40000?

[whole crypt]

like 100k is still not enough to cover the rest of the shop after skipping boxes and plates

I actually don't know how many protocores I have now

[late flame]

i bought skins first from shop

[whole crypt]

you were surprisingly close

[storm heron]

safe for fate sim X

[stark quiver]

how do you even have that much

[sweet delta]

That's like 100 times my protocore amount

[whole crypt]

by running out of things to buy

[keen sable]

by buying out the shops

[storm heron]

ship focus instead of gear focus

[whole crypt]

to be fair that's not my max protocore count, it's just how much I have now after my last conversion months ago

[stark quiver]

i only have 1000 new player problems

[whole crypt]

let me buy the PR2 gear prints while I remember

[storm heron]

[barren tapir]

[spring bolt]

i thought that was your tech point

[whole crypt]

without converting general prints I can get another 8k+

[whole crypt]

also close

[spring bolt]

where did you spent those proto cores? i have 100k and i don't what can i buy at all

[whole crypt]

I didn't spend them I just didn't convert a stack of general prints

and this

[stark quiver]

yo should i get my 2nd and third la9 or finish up napoli then complete pr 1-5

[whole crypt]

I'm a strong advocate of crafting your rainbow AA from buckets

[stark quiver]

cuz im behind on every season, its all half completed

[spring bolt]

for now 2nd la9 and napoli aren't used in hard contents... so recommendation will be based on guessing future contents:
get 2nd la9

[stark quiver]

i too am surprised i got this far with my shit research technique

without cubing is completing half of every pr season in 6 months reasonable

[whole crypt]

the "max" you need for La-9s is like 5 but for someone on the catchup I'd say skip after #2 or 3 and wrap up your older series

you're going to use like 1 in an anti-heavy on Implacable
on medium just cope unfilled slots with BFGs

[late flame]

yeah i just done second la-9 thinking to start on my 3rd ply gun

[stark quiver]

oh wait,
i can just coin, except thats also in low quantity rn

[whole crypt]

I'm actually contemplating whether to bother with the 5th plane at this point

[atomic abyss]

Personally I'm not even finishing my 2nd ply first lol

[late flame]

or even a second hindy gun

[atomic abyss]

Im gonna rush to 6 after finishing Brest

Trying to at least get kears first for yk2

[stark quiver]

after la9, i stil need to go finish kear

[whole crypt]

to be fair as it stands you'll use 4 between Rumey and Nakhimov

[atomic abyss]

Kears would always use us fighters right

[whole crypt]

La-9 works for her as well

it needs to be eagle or northern, it's just we didn't have a NP plane that fits before this

technically Kearsarge works fine against medium using 457/soyuz gun + La-9

[atomic abyss]

Ohhhh right

[stark quiver]

wait will the milestone hvar bps still be in milestone during rerun

[whole crypt]

same milestones just half req

but expect map drop rates to be more shit

[spring bolt]

tbh i would love that first airstrike rld time -30% gone... can't sync with helena

[stark quiver]

so they arent keeping the bug huh

[whole crypt]

it's technically good for applying debuff

[barren tapir]

dont rerun milestones lose a few stages are we sure itll be kept?

[whole crypt]

because it's sure to go first

[sweet delta]

Debuff for her own main gun only

Actually it's good for activating precision strike

[whole crypt]

well the stuff you lose is like retro prints and books, some steps are replaced with build tickets

HVAR is the first time it's gear prints in point ladder where the event is in light format I think, so we'll have to wait and see how they'll deal with it

[stark quiver]

my dreams are in shambles

[whole crypt]

precision strike?

[whole crypt]

assuming Kearsarge + CV yeh
in the odd scenario you use her in a BB fleet the debuff should work for all shelling?

[rose cosmos]

So I guess Z52 is great right?

[stark quiver]

yes

[storm heron]

pretty sure she is amazing ™️

[topaz smelt]

anyone got those cn comps with the timing chart for taihou?

[sweet delta]

The single target barrage if there's a burning enemy vs the weak aoe that burns

[rose cosmos]

I blind bulin-ed her because I liked her look, guess it wasn’t that bad of a choice lol

[storm heron]

good for you

[sinful escarp]

what is a good AA gun for laffey2 in w15 if i have brest with the UR AA gun and shimanto with sexy bofors?

[storm heron]

roomba

[sinful escarp]

between these two which is better? the +13 or roomba?

[storm heron]

+13 roomba better

[sinful escarp]

i dont have the plates to +13 roomba right now

[storm heron]

well, another thing you can do is to give brest the +10 roomba instead and use the UR on laffey, so you don't get punished as much

[tepid frigate]

What gears does z52 use?

[sinful escarp]

ok, imma try that. i i get lots of leaks with my set up rn

[storm heron]

fastest firing gun you have, whatever torp, best AA gun you have, double toolbox

[upbeat wagon]

assuming i have mlb fritz and musashi, should i mlb z52 or shinano next

[storm heron]

if you only have those 2 mlb, z52

[eternal moth]

Blue gun or single gold?

[whole crypt]

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=42776665 this thing?

[storm heron]

gold better, but I can recommend single 76 with no consequence for sure

[elfin hollow]

How long do these last? I can't beat the last ship in it even after multiple fights because it heals itself.

[eternal moth]

Until the end of the month. They only reset at the monthly reset

[storm heron]

what are your fleets anyway

[elfin hollow]

okay good i guess ill just have to use the rest option at the ports until its over with

[eternal moth]

As Doggo asked, what are your current fleets? We might be able to help

[elfin hollow]

This is the only serious one I've used since it beat everything easily except this. The other 3 are only there because they have to be. Litorio should really be Enterprise I think I need to swap them around.

[eternal moth]

Why is Uni your flag?

[storm heron]

yeah you can definitely try to swap of to make one strongest fleet

[eternal moth]

I'm trying to figure out who that is, Shima and Sandy I think, who's the tank?

[storm heron]

sanfran I think

[wind hazel]

if your amagi fleet is made up of all CV, just manual and hold your airstrike, release all 6 in one go nvm

[elfin hollow]

San fran, Sandy, Shima

[eternal moth]

You probably have a better tank than SF. Do you have Ancho or Agir?

[storm heron]

there's like two ways of course:

1. Build a fleet so strong that you can deal more than 55% hp in one go
2. Use a fleet of 3 CVs and keep their airstikes to release them to burst the 30%

[elfin hollow]

This is everyone that's good enough to sort of be used. Fleet 4 is scrapping the barrel though.

I haven Achorage but she's like 15/30 I think unless I'm mixing her up with someone.

[storm heron]

or you can always try nicking it below 29%, and then quickly kys before the boss heals

what armor is ur boss btw?

[wind hazel]

kick littorio out, bring enty in. manually hold enty's airstrike, release it twice

[elfin hollow]

I've been using my coins on anchorage. I don't know how much I'm supposed to do but I think I do 7 before it costs 600 each since I just have so many uses for coins.

[wind hazel]

hold one nj's with enty for good measure

[storm heron]

30% in 5s

[wind hazel]

i think nj+entyx2 can do it

[whole crypt]

the cost goes up hard after 10 prints

[wind hazel]

surely... right?

[whole crypt]

and discount is gone after 15

[storm heron]

are their equips good/correctly used?

[glossy granite]

Yo guys i am a bit new and is it all about lvls when it comes to ships? Cuz just by lvling up certain ships and giving them like +10 or +20 lvls the difference is absolutely insane. Ik meta ships also is important but lvl makes a huge difference for me at least

[storm heron]

yes level, along some other things, help a lot

[sinful escarp]

at the start you will get away with overleveling but on higher level worlds gear and fleet composition plays a bigger role

[elfin hollow]

Does this give you the answer? I'm not sure where that information even is to be honest.

[wind hazel]

just do this

[stark quiver]

id assume med
unless that symbol isnt it

[storm heron]

that is medium, a heavy cruiser

[glossy granite]

What was fleet composition again?

[sinful escarp]

its who is on your fleet

[glossy granite]

o

[storm heron]

Idk mori, I don't think that's gonna be possible since the boss it at 30%

[glossy granite]

Man i regret playing this game on and off, missed everything :/

[storm heron]

can you hold 45s without nicking the boss, I don't think so

[fast steppe]

/sirenstats

[odd root]

https://i.imgur.com/dHVaZV6.jpg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460645783021289472/1317550467080785972/METAstats4.02.jpg

[wind hazel]

if you manual you can, no?

[fast steppe]

.

[elfin hollow]

here is a list of my most leveled ships if it matters by the way, i can sho wyou individual gears if you need me to

[wind hazel]

oh nj isnt even mlb..

[storm heron]

[glossy granite]

How do you farm materials for retrofiting?

[storm heron]

shimakaze as well

[glossy granite]

Cuz there are some i have a bunch of but rest like only 2-3

[sharp socket]

theres only 3 harbiters? i thought there were 12

[ivory pawn]

Hard mode, with the minor caveat that the gold print droprate is way too dang low.

[storm heron]

yeah there's 3 rotates each season

[ivory pawn]

We also get a bunch from events, and they can show up in the guild shop.

[elfin hollow]

id rather not use the bulins when i know you get pity for those 2 and a couple others every so many pulls

[sharp socket]

so does each of the harbiters run 4 times in a year

[stark quiver]

12 months
3 arbiters

[sharp socket]

i have to fight strength 4 times a year

[storm heron]

[stark quiver]

not all strengths are made the same

[glossy granite]

Ye the blue ones i have like 2 but the purple i think i have like 70

[sharp socket]

oh theres variations of each one?

[storm heron]

I think the skill difference

[elfin hollow]

okay littorio has very outdated gear she's definitely the weakest link here

[stark quiver]

some have harder skills

[keen sable]

they have different skills

[stark quiver]

like the one you just fought in november is the hardest strength

[storm heron]

I think your solution is to build a fleet that can take out 55% net

[sharp socket]

yeah that one was dicey and required alot of swapping and some resets

so the other strengths are easier?

[hollow gust]

Even if she had best gear she is still dog water

[storm heron]

dog what

[wind hazel]

dog water

[sharp socket]

well thats great to know

[dreamy blade]

theres also just an imbalance in how many you need, cruisers >>> carriers > dd/bb

[stark quiver]

anyways in a year you should have built up a stronger account to battle nov strength

[pulsar hornet]

What's the current fleet recommendation for Taihou Meta? Should I bring tankier ships?

[elfin hollow]

also is there a reason why it seems carriers are so much better. is it just because of my lack of gear or game knowledge.

[keen sable]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Operation_Siren#Hard_Mode-8

[fast steppe]

is there any way to refresh commissions once daily reset hits? I'm stuck with a bunch of crappy 4h/5h ones atm

[pulsar hornet]

The fleet I used against the last meta boss isn't doing enough damage

[stark quiver]

should be
implacable,amagi cv, shinano
z52,kazagumo,unzen

[keen sable]

don't be logged in when it happens

[stark quiver]

yea detection

[crisp raven]

while there is some logic to this, it ultimately hurts you more than helps. since you should pull 1 light a day outside of events, itll take for fucking ever to use pity to mlb nj/shima. ships want mlb or nothing. there is so much damage/utility at mlb. it also looks like amagi cv has 5 stars. hopefully those were from dupes and not bulins. if bulins, dont spread them out. with remy, 52, and yk2 around the corner, its hard to suggest finishing nj now. but if you do, that could be the damage needed to clear the stronghold.

[fast steppe]

oh really aight

[glossy granite]

Also how do i unlock the ''SP'' and ''EX'' Section in the event?

[stark quiver]

clear d3

[glossy granite]

Cant find it

[elfin hollow]

yes amagi was all dupes

[storm heron]

nah just ignore that stronghold last boss tbh, not worth spending ur bulins for nj just for stronghold

[fast steppe]

b3 then switch to hard

[stark quiver]

same applies for b3/d3

[elfin hollow]

i even have another dupe of her, shes only not maxed because i dont have that last dupe

[fast steppe]

in the bottom left corner

[glossy granite]

Ohhhhhhhhhhh so the name changes if you switch to hard

[storm heron]

stronghold's main prize is the token anyways
which is not even that important since if you do other things you can probably still buy out the important stuff

[fast steppe]

yep

[glossy granite]

I didnt know that, i thought you had to clear 3 stars everything 😭

[elfin hollow]

i definitely would rather not mlb them just for this. i'll find a way.

[glossy granite]

Yea man im 100% getting cooked if i do it on hard mode

[dreamy blade]

Or just logout and log back in after reset to refresh comms

[fast steppe]

that works as well? aight

[glossy granite]

I doubt my fleet can handle lvl 100 enemies

[crisp raven]

if you cleared and gathered everything else besides the final siren, you could ignore it completely. you can still do the other strongholds. hopefully there is no healing affix there. not the end of the world.

[glossy granite]

Whats the solution if i cant do D3?

[fast steppe]

if you can't do d3 you're definitely not ready for sp

sp is even harder than d3 and ex even harder than that

[glossy granite]

I will try a run

[fast steppe]

actually ex is just the boss fight but 125

[storm heron]

@elfin hollow you can try enty uni nj sanfran shimakaze sandiego
but you gotta use the right equipment and do manual to make shimakaze all torp hit

[fast steppe]

so

[glossy granite]

I started this event like 2 days ago, should i get the event ship obvs? I got 7450

i need like 550

[upbeat wagon]

wait for event end

preferably

[sharp socket]

what armor is EX?

[glossy granite]

So that i dont get a dupe when i build?

Shes the rarest for some reason idk why in the banner

Rarer than Fritz rumey aswell who is UR

[elfin hollow]

damn. i know i could get the frontier medal for enterprise if i MLB houshou. is that worth using my bulins on?

[stark quiver]

i mean purps arent in high demand anywyas so go ahead

[storm heron]

sure, you can use frontier to replace one gold cata that you don't have

[wind hazel]

what's the use of frontier medal...

[storm heron]

100 avi

[wind hazel]

unless you're still rocking a purple steam cata

[upbeat wagon]

who

[glossy granite]

Admiral hipper meta

[keen sable]

you definitely have commitment issues. you should have what at least 6 ur bulins by now and yet you have 0 usable ur.

[storm heron]

I mean my have better ships than them and only have 6 gold catas, I assumed they didn't have it

[elfin hollow]

Oh so is gold cata better? I have more.

[wind hazel]

there's no reason to use frontier medal if you have steam cata

[storm heron]

they are the same though

[stark quiver]

theyre the same
except frontier medal has 10 less hp

[wind hazel]

so no reason

[elfin hollow]

oh lol

[stark quiver]

so technically gold cata is better
but nobody gaf

[wind hazel]

and it's -15hp at +10 lol

literally doesn't offer any benefit

[storm heron]

[elfin hollow]

I think I was lacking them until earlier today I got a few more out of boxes.

[sharp socket]

its just gold cata sidegrade

[wind hazel]

downgrade*

[storm heron]

aight harby time

[sharp socket]

why is it a downgrade

[storm heron]

negligible difference with a side of flexibility

[wind hazel]

it's less hp

i use the term sidegrade if it's similar while offering something the other thing doesn't offer

[elfin hollow]

This is her equipment by the way. I don't think I have any better planes either, at least not gold ones.

[storm heron]

no wonder

[stark quiver]

erm its actually -18 hp
which is even worse

[storm heron]

change db to helldiver, and maybe barracuda to a conv torp

[sharp socket]

by that reasoning flandre gun is a downgrade of champy because its less damage

[wind hazel]

no, because those offer different timing

[stark quiver]

well does the steam cata have effect on timing?

[inner delta]

no

[storm heron]

why are you guys like this, they are literally the same, how is 18 hp making difference

[wind hazel]

then why are you recommending it in the first place, if steam catapult already doing the job

[sweet delta]

so basically Downes is a downgrade of Cassin?

[storm heron]

cause I assume they didn't have enough steam catas

[rocky fjord]

is three bb able to 4th salvo on third bb completely yet

[storm heron]

lower luck or smth?

[sharp socket]

the difference is functionally nothing between gold cata and frontier medal

[keen sable]

you really don't want to fight this siren with unicorn...might as well just kill yourself

[quartz jungle]

By 3 luck yes

[wind hazel]

exactly, and he has steam catapult, so no reason to pursue medal

[rocky fjord]

ingame

[storm heron]

LMAO Downes to Cassin turns out to be downgrade, I thought they had similar stats

[upbeat wagon]

downes synd-

[crisp raven]

both offer 100 avi and is a guaranteed reward. someone might not get lucky and get catas from boxes or have the bps to craft. the less hp is irrelevant outside of pvp. so what does it matter if it was recommended or not? its equally effective.

[elfin hollow]

Would purple helldiver still be worth switching to?

[wind hazel]

[storm heron]

yes, btd is bad, switch btd to helldiver

[sweet delta]

how do you know he has enough steam catapult?

[wind hazel]

he told me

[rocky fjord]

in meta

[storm heron]

like with 457s?

[keen sable]

in helena window i don't think so

[sleek spade]

should I put twin 57mm AA on Z52?

[storm heron]

I mean unicorn deals quite some medium damage though, they have her alone at 125 oathed

[rocky fjord]

ic

[orchid sun]

I just start picking up again after quitting for a long time so can anyone explain what is Meta ship?

[elfin hollow]

wait wait I can make the prototype su-2, can I use that over the purple helldiver?

[weary scroll]

How strong is the new ur? Should I pull for them

[hollow gust]

Always pull for gatcha Urs

[elfin hollow]

it sucks??

[keen sable]

someone has shiny syndrome

[wind hazel]

helldiver is your best db until tenrai

[weary scroll]

If they suck then why would I pull them

[hollow gust]

Or raider , that’s soon

[hollow gust]

Cause they are always busted as fuck, there is like 0 ecceptions

[wind hazel]

right

[storm heron]

what's up with that??

[weary scroll]

Ah ok lol so she's good then?

[sweet delta]

if you think they suck then go ahead and skip them

[storm heron]

they literally have no other choice for main fleet

[sleek spade]

sooo should I put twin 57mm UR AA on Z52? I got spares

is she worth it tho?

[hollow gust]

Just give her fp

[storm heron]

yes she is carry-level AA

[upbeat wagon]

Power creep

[sleek spade]

[elfin hollow]

So I was using a bad gold plane when the better purple plane was equipped to... Long Island.

[upbeat wagon]

Long island best girl

[whole crypt]

sounds normal

[storm heron]

@late flame @keen sable cmon, where are your reasoning for doubting

[wind hazel]

any chance you're using this too?

[elfin hollow]

These are my only alternatives to Barracuda

[little tree]

LMAO

[keen sable]

literally any of the bb will outdamage unicorn. especially if they're using junk like barracudas

[stark quiver]

lets stick to barras

[late flame]

+with that mod on using unicorn is not the best idea there

[stark quiver]

and i mean strasbourg is there

[sleek spade]

ok second question for Z52: UR 100mm or single 113mm?

[storm heron]

they are manualing and have tenzans

[wind hazel]

enterprise is using grey plane...

[elfin hollow]

sorry i just use uni for everything because she's usally incredible

[sleek spade]

ogey single 113mm it is thanks yall

[storm heron]

time to check the level diff to see 110 stras vs 125 uni

against whatever level this stronghold boss is

[wind hazel]

128? i think

[storm heron]

so 96% Uni bfg tenzan vs 80% stras champ

[elfin hollow]

im afraid if I showed more ships it would only horrify you guys more

[whole crypt]

we've seen worse

as long as you're willing to listen/learn

[stark quiver]

ive seen a dock with only 1 120 ship youl be fine

[sharp socket]

what cursed stuff have you two been cooking for the past hour that manualing with tenzans is your best option

[storm heron]

Unfortunately I am sharp rn

[elfin hollow]

Okay I haven't messed with her gear in a while. I hope at least.

[keen sable]

very bad

[storm heron]

well I look at their ships and they are unable to do enough damage, so i was wondering if channeling all highest possible damage manually would do better

[sharp socket]

have you guys asked him to get champy guns yet

[storm heron]

how many bf109g prints do you have

[elfin hollow]

i only have one of each white/black shells and they're on sanfran i think

[sharp socket]

im gonna go with a no on that one cause manualing is just like torpmemes with frontline

sanfran is not a BB?

[little tree]

~~ the kitchen was burned more then mine earlier ~~

[elfin hollow]

NJ right

[wind hazel]

the aux are fine for poverty options

[storm heron]

well time to 120 and 125 the stras

[wind hazel]

but you might want to +6 them. what you definitely want to change is the main gun

going with assumption that you don't have any AP gun, just go with mk6

[little tree]

Are there any reliable vanguard slows for planes that you can farm or research?

[stark quiver]

no
actually nakhimov is ok

[storm heron]

vanguard slows right?

[little tree]

A vanguard ship that slows

[storm heron]

I know multiple main fleet slows but idk about vanguard other than eld and the unreliable agir

[elfin hollow]

where would I find that? I'm not seeing it in gear lab or crafting menu

[stark quiver]

called eldridge

and no theres no one else

[storm heron]

have you been doing pr4 research focus?

[elfin hollow]

5

[sharp socket]

nakhimov + tashkent/voroshilov can work if you want

[keen sable]

eldridge is farmable or research?

[wind hazel]

farm merit points 🧠

[keen sable]

still doesn't get you a slow

[storm heron]

maybe taskent and voro give you slow idk how that works or how much though

[stark quiver]

not enough

[sharp socket]

if you dont have a retro eld she doesnt slow

[wind hazel]

those two are only for nakhimov too, no?

[storm heron]

well now that I know your stras has extremely lot level, you can try by bringing stras to 120 and doing their plan instead, cause my plan was indeed bad given you have levels and turned out to be lacking equips

[whole crypt]

Tashkent and Voroshilov is only if you use with Nakhimov
Eldridge doesn't work if you can't retrofit

[sharp socket]

tash/voro + nakhi for full stop

nakhi herself can slow too

[barren tapir]

they have identical stats except cassin having +3 luck so you just got unlucky

[elfin hollow]

what is the other plan?

[storm heron]

which is - eHp

[whole crypt]

3 luck is basically nothing

[little tree]

I guess just eldrich will have to do for now thanks for help

[storm heron]

idk if they gave the plan yet or they are just criticizing, gonna back read now

[barren tapir]

you said switching from downes to cassin which would be an upgrade

[storm heron]

so is 18 carrier hp right?

[whole crypt]

yes

[barren tapir]

tldr if cassin performs worse than downes for you it's entirely due to bad rng

the reverse is also true but marginally less so due to -3 lck

[elfin hollow]

also who am I supposed to make flagship?

[sharp socket]

you could also just use a good DD for whatever you're cooking

[keen sable]

~~enterprise and crossfleet nj ~~

[little tree]

Better get it right

[bold cove]

May i ask, Breast combat data 2 require vanguard or still main fleet?

[storm heron]

okay firstly, (ignore this if you want to ignore the stronghold boss) do you have a thread? I need more information so I can't make a unoptimized decision

[storm heron]

CDC 1 main then CDC 2 vanguard, just like other CB

[bold cove]

Normally, 2mil exp spread to 3 ships doesnt enough for them to 120 right?

[elfin hollow]

A thread?

[sweet delta]

2mil exp spread to 1 ship isnt enough

[storm heron]

you mean enough?

[bold cove]

Try to figure which ship have good tech to use it for combat data farm

[storm heron]

yes, a personalized thread where you sent all your ships and equipments in your dock

[bold cove]

Remember to short Gear equipped including

[storm heron]

I think you can like go to fleet tech wiki, or individual ship wiki to check which one has good tech
For the experience detail (question like how many ship is enough for CDC) you can go to experience azur lane wiki and count it

[keen sable]

even starting from 115 probably won't cap anyone

[little tree]

How many hp bars does your guys CV boss fleet do to harbiter from just 1 sync strike on avg ?

[viscid swift]

what the bloody hell did I miss

[whole crypt]

depends on the harb and the month

[stark quiver]

how long is harbiter

[stark quiver]

a lot of cooking

[little tree]

1 30

[storm heron]

hell's kitchen

[stark quiver]

like 50 bars

[little tree]

Hmmm

[storm heron]

harbiter is 88s no?

[little tree]

More like the store was burt. Down

[elfin hollow]

Oh do you mean make a thread for all this here in gameplay help?

[strange sphinx]

Fybre, cook for me

[storm heron]

yea, I don't want to be a case where mori knew you have enough catapults but I don't and then people just blame me for not being the sharpest tool in the sheet or something

[viscid swift]

well you aren't to be blunt

[wind hazel]

dont drag me in

[little tree]

we still love doggo

[storm heron]

why the strikethrough

[strange sphinx]

[viscid swift]

anyway, what's all this arguing about, shouldn't be that difficult to sort out an OpSi fleet

[strange sphinx]

I came in the wrong time here hah

[stark quiver]

something abt using uni in the anti healing boss

[wind hazel]

tl;dr we're just trying to help him winning stronghold last boss

[storm heron]

so tldr, Exorro can't beat a 25% healing stronghold boss

[elfin hollow]

Exorro's gear and skill issue nightmare

[viscid swift]

I figured that much

so what are his adapts at then

[storm heron]

good point

you are all not the sharpest tool in the sheet

[little tree]

[strange sphinx]

question do Uni + Aquila + Fast CVl + Anchor +kaza +Eldrige can clear Stronghold?

[viscid swift]

well that's that avenue taken care of then

[sharp socket]

shed*

[stark quiver]

with adapts and good gear yes
and xfleet ofc

[strange sphinx]

man.... I just noticed that I have Kaza for like a months now

[stark quiver]

and what do you guys usually use as vanguards for the kear,y2,enty fleet?

[sharp socket]

id prefer more dps in the mob but it works

[atomic abyss]

laff2 aurora sirius

[stark quiver]

thx

[spark ridge]

Approx how long does it take to dev 30 a UR without coining?

[atomic abyss]

if you focus on a single UR, ~3 mths

[glossy granite]

Yooo i got Perseus from the event banner, how good is she?

[strange sphinx]

who is aurora again? she is Elite right

[keen sable]

2-6 months for most people. more on the 4-6 side

[sharp socket]

it took me about 3 months for ply with her catchup so ill give it 4 months

[pseudo saffron]

Who here is the best (not including Belfast)?

[glossy granite]

better than unicorn?

[atomic abyss]

great, but worse than unicorn retro in every single way

[atomic abyss]

check pins

[pseudo saffron]

Ok

[glossy granite]

Bruh i was hyped for a sec looking at the tier list 😭

[atomic abyss]

you wont ever need 2 primary healers

[glossy granite]

Tho my unicorn not retrified yet, cuz i am so shit at the game

[atomic abyss]

so work towards it

[glossy granite]

Working on it but yea need to clear more hard mode stuff

she soon max lvl

[storm heron]

Assuming optimal choice, on average 4 months seems to be the case with new UR like nakhimov, otherwise 3.5 months with cubing, 3 months with catchup

[little tree]

Is this sync good enough to where I won't de sync

[stark quiver]

purple steam cata
but yea itll probably work
could make haku a bit faster

[atomic abyss]

uh, the thing is who are you trying to sync to...?

[wind hazel]

yes but i would move the tenrai to amagi and rework on the sync

[little tree]

Eldrich slow

[pseudo saffron]

Is zeplin a better mobber than Saratoga?

[viscid swift]

no

[atomic abyss]

far worse

[stark quiver]

eld slow procs on flag firing

[pseudo saffron]

Also what do I do with extra copies of Fritz bc she is already mlb

[storm heron]

0.26s, haku will desync to eld in 8-10 airstrikes or 4 minutes

[stark quiver]

retire or keep for flexing

[viscid swift]

retire them for medals

[atomic abyss]

this is why you dont mlb your fritz with rainbow bulins before the event ends if you are still rolling...

too bad, condemned to the scrap really

[little tree]

Sounds good enough for arbiter then

[wind hazel]

maybe all dupe

[pseudo saffron]

I only rolled one for the daily mission

[wind hazel]

go roll Light

[atomic abyss]

i mean you wasted your UR bulin really

[keen sable]

1.2% is 1.2% not 0%

[pseudo saffron]

Damn

[stark quiver]

w15 support and main fleet

[storm heron]

me with 2 musashis, 2 unicorns, and 2 aquilas

[wind hazel]

me with 5 ranger

[jaunty vault]

me with no dupes

[stark quiver]

dorm full of low costing fleets

[strange sphinx]

how many percentage do you need to get 11 Gems from that guild thing

[nocturne glade]

who to take from the sr selector? Or should I just save it

[viscid swift]

it doesn't expire

just save it until you need it

[nocturne glade]

i guess ill just save it until I need it then

ah pins, my bad. ty!

[whole crypt]

the bonus shit from guild supplies is just very low chance, I think I've seen gems like once in year or something

[strange sphinx]

Yeah I just surprised also That I got 11 from it

[stark quiver]

I’ve gotten gems once in my entire al career

[little tree]

I'm up to almost 50 bars just missing air raid ship and cv fleet will be good i think

[storm heron]

lowcosting saved me 69+1 oil as opposed to uni-ddg in x3 levels, there are 6 of them, so 420 oil a day (lmao) x13 is 5.1k oil per event, just want to thank whoever it is recommending me to raise ranger and mahans

[crimson glacier]

did you count the testing oil costs too

[whole crypt]

I only minmax oil cost if it makes a difference at the macro level and not to the point where testing wastes even more oil

[storm heron]

I think it was alpha or mori

[strange sphinx]

Last question, in my question earlier " Uni + Aquila + Fast CVl + Anchor +kaza +Eldrige can clear Stronghold?" who I can replace Eldrige for now because I don't have SR bulin

[sharp socket]

you have a ddg

[whole crypt]

for what it's worth I just cleared a stronghold with this

[strange sphinx]

an shan(?)

[sharp socket]

or some other dps in your dock

[fleet aurora]

do the in game task for the web event gachapon even exist?

[sharp socket]

i see from some people it does but i cant find it in my own events menu

[viscid swift]

they do

[wind hazel]

2nd bottom at event page

[sharp socket]

the words must be blending together for me then

[wind hazel]

idk why they put near bottom, but yeah it's there

[wind hazel]

oh 3rd

[fleet aurora]

GG ,I missed like 2 days then

[strange sphinx]

hmm I don't havw harbin, oh well a ddg I guess I guess

[whole crypt]

also case in point this is my sub account so it's not like filled to the brim with +13

[sharp socket]

my opsi mob is fdg uni indep, anchorage tai yuan sandy

it kills strongholds and has only died like once in 2 months and that was because i forgot to put a main gun on fdg

[spring bolt]

that ingame page never load properly for me for some reason

[whole crypt]

the thing about strongholds is first of all adapts, then you also have to see if you run into a shitty boss setup

[strange sphinx]

like the Anti heal setup?

[whole crypt]

one possible messy one, yes

[strange sphinx]

457?

[sharp socket]

i put mk7 on her now

[storm heron]

[sharp socket]

because im lazy to swap 457s and champy for my BBs

[strange sphinx]

hmmm Maybe I didn't pay attention to all setups cause I'm just auto it while doing another task

[stark quiver]

My bb bossing fleet is my mob fleet also

[sharp socket]

i also wont forget about not having a gun on her

i could put sushi there now, and she can do all armors with twin 410k

[bold cove]

Yeah another event tab without ! Red mark

[upbeat wagon]

i just saw this sob

[copper ermine]

How is prinz rupprechts crit chance compared to other ships?

[wind hazel]

follow up, double 3* ooa today

[cyan latch]

Did I do something wrong or is this a bug?

Says combat data collection 2 needs to have combat data collection 1 completed before, but I already did?

[eternal moth]

I was just able to finish and 3* D3, I don't know that I'll be able to finish SP by the end of the event.

[eternal moth]

Is what a bug? They're 2 different quests

[storm heron]

ngl the more I start thinking about it, the more I feel that tech diff is very apparent

[cyan latch]

Combat 2 says it needs to have combat 1 completed while it looks like I already have combat 1 completed

Oh nvm I’m reading things lmao

[wind hazel]

maybe hard to tell cause idk how much of a difference they provide

[storm heron]

like istg htf cannot I follow you guys' low fleet

[eternal moth]

It's always there, it's just a part of the CDC 2 text.

[viscid swift]

....

have you stopped to actually take a look at what's killing the fleets

[storm heron]

rammers and subs

[viscid swift]

and so how do you counter that then

[eternal moth]

Hedgehog!

[viscid swift]

that's half of it

[storm heron]

BB

[zinc prairie]

BB with Good Secondary

[sharp socket]

just uni sandy/ddg

[viscid swift]

the elites are the ones with a massive amount of rammers

[eternal moth]

The rammers ARE subs at first, so a hedgehog does a little more than half

[storm heron]

nah I'll just do the 196 oil I found since I don't have zuihou/yuudachi

[sharp socket]

sandy also eats all the planes

[atomic abyss]

clearly you're meant to use z52

[wind hazel]

btw cheeky you can further reduce your boss vanguard

[storm heron]

thank you though

[viscid swift]

I know

but I can't be bothered to regear Alsace from her PvP loadout

[atomic abyss]

as i said a few days before

[wind hazel]

[atomic abyss]

trying to "minmax" your SP 1:1 is wasting more oil than sticking to whatever 1:2 or 2:1 you already had

[wind hazel]

surely even a ddg works too

[sharp socket]

my SP is only 202 oil and it works, it also took me like 5 minutes to make

[atomic abyss]

if it works, it works

[viscid swift]

meh, I'm not gonna take the risk to find out

[whole crypt]

I managed to bring it down to 177 oil/run but there's really no point

[eternal moth]

Finally god to a spot where I can auto D3 on my secondary. That should be a big improvement in gold income now, assuming I can keep getting enough oil

[wind hazel]

175 for me

[strange sphinx]

how good is this?

[jaunty vault]

not the best

[storm heron]

yeah I think 175 is the lowest you can go, with alsace cassin and uni eld or zuihou ddg or uni yuudachi

[eternal moth]

It's so slow it greatly hurts your number of barrages

Agir or, even better, Khron's guns are better.

[strange sphinx]

question, Do The Augment of Lala, Nana, and Momo like stack each other? like all of them will fire it?

[wind hazel]

ye i wanna try yuudachi actually, eldridge seem kinda low dmg with her gun lol

[storm heron]

zuihou anshan is more consistent by nntktt

[stark quiver]

If by chance the hvar bug isn’t there , is grinding out 2 during rerun reasonable

[whole crypt]

well mine is 177 because boss fleet vanguard I took a bulin, didn't want to test 1 mahan survival

[south sequoia]

grab as much as you can get

[wind hazel]

2 is already guaranteed no? i think

[south sequoia]

the more hvars the less you have to worry about lacking them in the future

[wind hazel]

milestone+shop, unless you excluding them

[stark quiver]

Gaurenteed 1 grind 2

[south sequoia]

I only have 2 hvars its a hassle since I have to adjust timings to bf109gs

[wind hazel]

hard to say really, the drop rate can differ heavily from one user to another user

[sweet delta]

Which one is harder? I have out of ammo

[south sequoia]

You dont have to worry about the drop rate of those things, its pretty high well from my experience at least
others may not have gotten as lucky as me

[sweet delta]

aight bet ill take that

[bright tusk]

Is anyone already tested which is better for z52 between 113 and 100kai?

[strange sphinx]

Do you guys farm D3 with 1:1 fleet?

[sharp socket]

just cook 👍

[jaunty vault]

not me

[stark quiver]

Yes that was with the drop rate bug, 50 bps without seems sketchy

[south sequoia]

I can count 3 hvars

[storm heron]

not me

[south sequoia]

Huh, the drop rates were bugged?

[jaunty vault]

ye

[wind hazel]

they were lol

[whole crypt]

D3 has oil cap, there's no point trying to low cost it

[stark quiver]

There’s oil cap and if i really wanna low cost I’d go all the way in b3

[sharp socket]

just cook x2

[south sequoia]

I thought it was intentional this whole time because you couldnt get hvars anywhere else outside the guaranteed

[strange sphinx]

oh Normal 3x is the 1:1 fleet

[whole crypt]

they admitted rates were bugged but wouldn't correct it for the original event, nothing was said for rerun

[sharp socket]

mess around in calculator and see results

[jaunty vault]

might as well be intentional when you don't fix it

[barren tapir]

i hope they don't so it's fairer to newer players but 99% theyll fix it tbh

[strange sphinx]

or is it SP?

[whole crypt]

something about how they messed up numbers after Ryza event

[stark quiver]

I mean it’s just coping that they reuse the game code but that’s all

[sweet delta]

156 oil, could be 154 if I pay arrays and chips for foxhound

[zinc prairie]

UR gear next event?

[barren tapir]

i'd admittedly be perfectly happy with it being fixed if we get some gems as compensation

[stark quiver]

Shop ur gear
And its rerun

[whole crypt]

what's on main fleet and what gear?

[jaunty vault]

[barren tapir]

foxhound for flank defense?

[shut hedge]

What app is this?

[atomic abyss]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/

[faint cloud]

Gems can't compensate their 6 hvars while i have 0

[barren tapir]

i'd take dock space over hvars

[jaunty vault]

+13 wyvern poggies

[whole crypt]

forget it not moving my mog gun

[wind hazel]

different reason not gona use chips for her

[whole crypt]

but the damage is surprisingly low though any chance you just lucked out on suicide boats

[sweet delta]

i just tank them, they only do 644 dmg to unicorn if full hp

[barren tapir]

why foxhound specifically is it for flank defense?

[sweet delta]

7 oil

[barren tapir]

well there's a whole bunch of common dds im just wondering if she was picked for anything specific

[whole crypt]

well the point of failure is usually main fleet damage so

[storm heron]

time to raise some commons before continuing my dd fp tech

[atomic abyss]

why not fortune at that point

[quartz jungle]

Yeah Mog gun stays on Mogador lol

[barren tapir]

fortune is 8 oils

[atomic abyss]

fair

[whole crypt]

ah well not bothering anyway

particularly the regearing

[turbid dawn]

Is Watarase actually worth thinking about for being viable while with sushi? I didn’t realise how much dmg her skill did. Here she was only 120 with no +13 gear and still out damaged ply

[storm heron]

[atomic abyss]

no

[sweet delta]

the boss is heavy

[whole crypt]

Watarase is good, not necessarily with Musashi

[barren tapir]

watarase is on the stronger end of gold vg ships yes idk if shes strong enough to ever be in a meta fleet tho

[sweet delta]

watarase is good, but there are better

[whole crypt]

also Watarase benefits somewhat from a twin410 Musashi because firing rate

[barren tapir]

also gonna point out, that is easy mode CM

[turbid dawn]

Yeah she’s only 120 and just wanted to see the dmg she could do against all UR 125s all with +13 on auto to just get an idea

And tbh I was quite surprised

[storm heron]

reminds me of a certain someone

[sweet delta]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/460645783021289472/1297655029569683541/Screenshot_20241013-174639.png?ex=676c686c&is=676b16ec&hm=feb45a9b2ba2a2f80a89e30dd1ae54e651309359ba9d25fa3c946dc1826ec841&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=885&height=338

[atomic abyss]

well the issue is that the boss you chose is heavy armour

[turbid dawn]

Why is that an issue?

[atomic abyss]

needless to say, someone with torps is going to have an advantage

over pure gunnery based ships like ply and hindy

[barren tapir]

she is strongest vs heavy

[atomic abyss]

she is good dont get me wrong, but if you were to put her against a different boss the results would be different

[barren tapir]

her barrage does almost 50% more against heavy than against light

[sweet delta]

it's not an issue, it's just what do you want her to do? She's not going to be bis in any boss fleet

[late flame]

i legit forgor wata exists

[sweet delta]

watarase opsi mob though now we're talking

[barren tapir]

ig easy way to put it is, viable? yes, depending on content. bis? no

[turbid dawn]

That’s actually not a bad idea, I do have sushi in my mobbing fleet

[storm heron]

I wanna talk but I am afraid

suchi is too sigma

[whole crypt]

I'm considering replacing Harbin with her but the difference is really marginal at this point

[strange sphinx]

doggo got traumatized earlier

[barren tapir]

[strange sphinx]

[storm heron]

is 81 rld the max or some cats give even more through their talents? (cooking to 1 fleet harby)

[strange sphinx]

Gonna off topic but this emote looks like angry plant vs zombie zombies

[turbid dawn]

Well I run Brest in my OpSi mobbing fleet and just feels like overkill for a tank so probs can just make Kron tank instead and get rid of Brest altogether

[elfin hollow]

guys I wanna scrap (most) of my gray ships

is it okay? In an effiiciency standpoint

[atomic abyss]

use them for enhancing other ships

[whole crypt]

that wasn't meant for you but sure
I haven't had a tank in my OS fleet for a few months by this point

[barren tapir]

why is it so gray

[elfin hollow]

the rest are a whole lot of blues

[agile sparrow]

Who should I have in my vanguard for pvp? Fortune, Juneau and who?

[atomic abyss]

check #pvp pins

[elfin hollow]

I'm on colorblind filter cause I can't see colors that easily. Is it really greyish on your end??

[atomic abyss]

very

it looks almost grayscale

[storm heron]

can this 84s 4th strike still lands within harby time limit of 88s?

[barren tapir]

ohh i see. but yeah it looks like almost all the color got leeched out lol

[bright tusk]

Is Z52 want the UR AA gun?

[atomic abyss]

ideally, almost every vanguard wants it

[sweet delta]

maybe keep koenigsberg and maybe z20 in case you don't get 630 tech points from this event

[winged abyss]

Saw this post for Rumey, is there an alternative for the wyvern torp? Like maybe Junkers?

[atomic abyss]

barracuda/breguet

[strange sphinx]

. really? it is fine for me

[sweet delta]

they're all level 30+ commission slaves

[atomic abyss]

junkers are converging not parallel

[winged abyss]

Whats the difference between converging and parallel

[atomic abyss]

see the bottom

[mellow cape]

One coverages in a V shape and one just flies straight on the screen

[winged abyss]

[winged abyss]

So parallel for mobs and converging for bossing ?

[bold cove]

From the latest game news, well have the countdown gift?

[atomic abyss]

parallel for mobs and all campaign modes
converging for meta, opsi bosses and CM

[winged abyss]

Ty

[bold cove]

Converging usually go with ships have slow debuff?

[atomic abyss]

usually
you can skip the slow if the boss doesnt move during your airstrike windows ofc

[bold cove]

If the boss moving alot

[atomic abyss]

nagato meta doesnt move during the first 2 airstrike windows for example, only the last

[strange sphinx]

also you gonna also put it on other CVs that without Slow debuff because you usually gonna pair them with someone thst have slow debuff anyway

[bold cove]

Well, if i want to archive higher lev play, i have to timing manual right?

[storm heron]

manually setting up timing on the calculator u mean?

[bold cove]

I mean never do it before

[storm heron]

like this

[bold cove]

Set up 3 cv with the same cooldown, timing ship that use debuff

[wind hazel]

the only time manual gaming becomes somewhat of a necessity is hard EX

[bold cove]

The same apply to BB fleet?

[solid hedge]

Hi, what's good main gun for Z52?

[atomic abyss]

the gold single 113 from gear lab is her best gun

[storm heron]

fast main gun, like blue single 76 from boxes/research or gold single 113 from gear lab

[atomic abyss]

yes, but it's much easier to time BBs

[bold cove]

Best to dont care about it, till i got all the gear it require

[strange sphinx]

though beware because it is quite expensive

[storm heron]

ehh kinda I guess

[solid hedge]

Thanks! it's from royal navy lab, right?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[strange sphinx]

what rumey second slots just for farming? Tenrai or Wyvern?

[atomic abyss]

wyvern if mlb

[pale shell]

How good is rumey

[atomic abyss]

UR so good

How good, we dont know yet

[pale shell]

[blissful hamlet]

What's the best gun for rumey other than plygun

[plain saffron]

155mm kai

[atomic abyss]

staag

[plain saffron]

actually no, depends on content

[pale shell]

Can Guam replace san franschiso or Noshiro for tank

[whole crypt]

just give staag thx

[atomic abyss]

she is way way way way better than them as tanks

[blissful hamlet]

CL gun, I don't need AA

[pale shell]

I knew it

[atomic abyss]

it doesnt give noticeable AA, it gives hit stat

[whole crypt]

yeh but the CL guns don't do anything for her either

[pale shell]

But who to replace Guam with, noshi or Francis ho?

[atomic abyss]

the CL gun is a stat stick

[blissful hamlet]

How can rumey don't need CL gun when her skill need CL gun

[atomic abyss]

for her ghost CA gun

[plain saffron]

so realistically never use CL guns?

[atomic abyss]

because the skill isnt good

[blissful hamlet]

That's like saying musashi doesn't need IJN gun

[sweet delta]

because you can't read

[atomic abyss]

i would replace nosh

[pale shell]

Alr

[blissful hamlet]

I ask for CL gun, give me CL gun

[atomic abyss]

Every 10s: fires a Lv. 10 special barrage (DMG is based on the skill's level).
If this ship has a CL Main Gun equipped in her third weapon slot: sets that CL Main Gun's Detection Range and Range to 105 and makes its shells penetrate enemy shields.
This ship gains a special CA Main Gun. When this CA Main Gun hits the same enemy 8 times: increases that enemy's DMG taken by 8.0%.

[plain saffron]

just because you can doesn't means you need

[atomic abyss]

only line 2 is affected by having a CL gun

[whole crypt]

well serenity moment

[plain saffron]

also like, never at all?

[atomic abyss]

if you dont have a CL gun, the rest of the skill still works

[atomic abyss]

i would argue that there might be uses in campaign

[plain saffron]

or w15 niche at least?
and no i'm not talking about skill at all, i'm talking she as a whole

[atomic abyss]

AA gun better because 1 additional AA gun means 1 additional plane you can shoot at

[plain saffron]

i'm not saying she needs CL gun, i'm asking if it have any purposes at all

[whole crypt]

it's just a bloody stat stick if you don't want to listen then just give her any 45FP

[plain saffron]

need to clarify that before i get trashed again

[solid hedge]

Hi, im out of the loop
which UR ship get rerun next?

[atomic abyss]

yorktown 2 on jan 9

[late flame]

yorktown2

[whole crypt]

Yorktown II starting 9 Jan

[solid hedge]

Oh tks

[atomic abyss]

the niche would be as a solo CV for """low costing"""

[blissful hamlet]

The gun get increased range, how is it just a stats stick

[whole crypt]

the increased range still doesn't do anything in practice that's how

[atomic abyss]

because the one doing the interception is the ghost CA gun in the 3rd line of the skill

the ghost CA gun which has far larger range AND damage

the plygun is essentially a stat stick for the ghost CA gun

[plain saffron]

i feel like people focused too much on the buff instead of the shooting and range itself

[blissful hamlet]

So 15 hit is worth more than 45 fp?

[strange sphinx]

[atomic abyss]

yes, since 15 hit affects her plane damage

[whole crypt]

why the heck did you think we said give her a STAAG

[plain saffron]

she's a CV first so naturally yes

[atomic abyss]

it's the same reason why we say give CVLs with AA gun slot a STAAG

[upbeat wagon]

so what weapon is good on fritz?

[strange sphinx]

She is CV NOT GUN DMG DEALER

[whole crypt]

planes depend on use case

[storm heron]

15 hit from where?

[blissful hamlet]

Then what's the point of being able to equip gun

[atomic abyss]

flavour text

[sweet delta]

to bait people like you

[whole crypt]

gimmicky shit that doesn't work

[atomic abyss]

STAAG...

[elfin hollow]

any benefits in using them in battle? They're the sole reason why I ain't rerolling XD

[storm heron]

oh okok I thought staag 10 hit mb wait no it's 10 lol

[upbeat wagon]

so how strong is fritz as a ship

[whole crypt]

very

[atomic abyss]

UR so very strong
how very strong we dont know

[upbeat wagon]

what makes her strong

[atomic abyss]

UR stats, skills, loadout

everything except the CL gun slot really

[wind hazel]

because it is 10...

haze 5 staag 10

[elfin hollow]

so the CL gun was some sort of gimmick?

[atomic abyss]

i misremembered

the CL gun slot is mostly a gimmick yes

i imagine there is some niche use on certain bosses

[elfin hollow]

wait is Fritz built on a light cruiser Hull??

[storm heron]

huh I thought suchi said in campaign CL gun better

[atomic abyss]

that's something you shd ask a different channel

[elfin hollow]

oh right XD

[wind hazel]

in meta fight like, let's say helena meta, does the CL gun just miss entirely on helena or what?

[plain saffron]

[atomic abyss]

what we believe is that the CL gun is outright better for repulse meta specifically

[whole crypt]

possibly if it did anything with mobs, since some barrages also scale on FP
strictly for bossing probably not

[plain saffron]

i'm like, the CL gun sounds like very designed for w15, why would it be bad

[atomic abyss]

because of her weird gimmick

[outer walrus]

Which one should I 6 🌟 first?

[whole crypt]

the thing is you probably won't be using Fritz Rumey very much outside of bossing

[atomic abyss]

neither and save for yorktown 2

[outer walrus]

Who

[crimson glacier]

why yk2

[atomic abyss]

...see why wouldnt you use rumey for w15 support fleet

[whole crypt]

the next UR rerun

[plain saffron]

why yt2

[blissful hamlet]

Yorktown 2 worth more than shinano

[storm heron]

idk it wasn't me who said ytII

[plain saffron]

shinano prob because permanent, fritz idk

[outer walrus]

And when is that Yorktown 2 coming?

[atomic abyss]

shinano perma, im not sold on fritz being as universal

9th jan

[whole crypt]

I'd take Shinano if you have a working Amagi CV otherwise I'd save for Yorktown II

[outer walrus]

Uh. I've 70 cubes though. I had to pity Fritz.

[late flame]

oof

[wind hazel]

5 copies from 44 free ticket, have faith

[whole crypt]

Fritz Rumey is probably fair game but she's probably not joining any top comps that will be needed in the next month or so

[crimson glacier]

is yk2 even that good

[storm heron]

how about wait

[atomic abyss]

if you're asking that question torva, it applies more to rumey

[wind hazel]

next month she's relevant for challenge mode.

that's it

[whole crypt]

for someone early on with limited options I'd say Yorktown II + Enterprise is great

[crimson glacier]

but is shinano+enty not great

[atomic abyss]

and yk2 enty is greater

at the end of the day you can always get shinano frm dupes

so i would prefer to see the individual's luck with yk2 before recommending

[crimson glacier]

was there date for the yk2 event

[whole crypt]

9 Jan

[atomic abyss]

in case you EN-ed the whole convo, 9th Jan

[sharp socket]

why isnt cheeky informing everyone with his username on this

[south sequoia]

is kear yk2 enty eldy good

[wind hazel]

anime brainrot took him

[atomic abyss]

anime peak more like

[south sequoia]

or is nakhi variation better over enty

[atomic abyss]

if you're gonna use eld, no

[whole crypt]

wait did he just finally get into aobuta or something

[atomic abyss]

the only reason why an enty comp is better if slow isnt needed
is because you dont get 2 slots condemned to russians

[south sequoia]

ohh

[atomic abyss]

if you're gonna use eld anyways, what's the point?

tash damage is way higher than eld's against light

[sharp socket]

arent the russians good

[atomic abyss]

they are

the point was moreso, with enty, you can now run laff2 aurora and sirius

if using nakhi, you have to lock 1 vanguard slot to tash or voro

[plain saffron]

do we have news if laff event gonna rerun together or we just assuming rn

[atomic abyss]

if you're gonna condemn 1 frontline slot to eld

then obviously it is outright worse

[plain saffron]

bcs she was technically separate event

[sharp socket]

so wheres the slow with that

[outer walrus]

How do I know which Operation Siren maps do I have to farm to get the new Taihou?

[plain saffron]

do any map, get coordinate, fight, get points, repeat daily, redeem taihou

[whole crypt]

did anyone mention Laffey II rerun even

[outer walrus]

Any map works?

[atomic abyss]

any map, try to do daily missions first tho

[plain saffron]

i think nope, that's why i'm asking

[sharp socket]

is there anything even that doesnt need a slow

[outer walrus]

Okay, thanks!

[whole crypt]

well then no she's not rerunning since it's not her event

[sharp socket]

for CVs with converge

[plain saffron]

wait which event is laffey

[atomic abyss]

guam

[strange sphinx]

well those boss that Don move or move slow

[atomic abyss]

one more year lol

[plain saffron]

ouh right

[atomic abyss]

rockets have higher degree of accuracy than conv TBs

[plain saffron]

deym another year to get her to LB 2

[whole crypt]

ignoring the skipped over OpConv Yorkown II coming right after this one means we're back to just over 2 years again for rerun schedule

[strange sphinx]

[atomic abyss]

there are bosses that move slow enough for rockets to hit even without slow, tho yes they are rare

[sharp socket]

[atomic abyss]

but yes if you dont have laff 2, sure, why not use eld

[weary scroll]

which event stage is best to farm?

[atomic abyss]

SP 1x a day, then D3 spam

[strange sphinx]

I just need that HVAR and Skyraider, how many HVAR are needed?

[weary scroll]

ok ty

[sharp socket]

sounds like a pain in the ass to sync CVs to when the enemy stops naturally

[storm heron]

[atomic abyss]

some bosses just barely move to begin with

[whole crypt]

so far I think the most that a comp has ever featured was 5

[sharp socket]

every boss i see never stands still

[whole crypt]

but good luck getting even 3 in a week

[atomic abyss]

did you already forget nagato meta...

i know she's heavy but the point still applies

[sharp socket]

i used BBs then

[atomic abyss]

[sharp socket]

cause my CVs did jack shit

[south sequoia]

Which faction is 113

[atomic abyss]

ok so fyi
for nagato meta

she stops completely during both 1st and 2nd strike window

[south sequoia]

thank yew

[atomic abyss]

only during the final one does she move

[sharp socket]

is this why people didnt run a stopper

[atomic abyss]

and that's why people used mogador to stun her with her lunge for the 3rd strike

[storm heron]

stopper still pretty consistent though

[sharp socket]

me when shinano did 200k damage

[storm heron]

I mean unless you don't count mog as stopper

[atomic abyss]

rodney meta also had stop windows
and running a slow for rodM is almost useless

because you're forced to desync

[sharp socket]

does maihou have stop windows

[whole crypt]

no reliable ones for most of the fight

[sweet delta]

The last 30 seconds

[sharp socket]

so i use a slow for her

[whole crypt]

considering the top comps for her now use Implacable yes

[sweet delta]

Did anyone say nakhi powercrept Implac for heavy or all?

[atomic abyss]

i am in the disagree side of that camp

unless chkalov magically had her damage bumped to UR tier

or there is a new russian slower for anti heavy

[sharp socket]

what about this

do i need full stop

[sweet delta]

You don't need full stop to two shot

[sharp socket]

but i already 2 shot

[sweet delta]

Then what do you want

[storm heron]

I don't think I've seen one shot without stop

[sweet delta]

I have

[sharp socket]

1-2shot

even if its a low chance at 1shot its still better than no chance

[storm heron]

maybe swapping sirius to helena?

I did that for harby

[crimson glacier]

no unzen or why eldridge

[sharp socket]

cause no unzen, and eld for slow

[crimson glacier]

right she slows