gameplay-help

[azure salmon]

Is yorktown 2 good? I just use her cause shes hot

[atomic abyss]

even amongst URs, she is really good

[slow fox]

Oh? But you don't use Yorktown 1?

[atomic abyss]

you ask here really

[sharp socket]

is ham2 w15 usable or no

[raven canyon]

i see thanksalot

[late flame]

i do buy coin with gems from time to time (RL work sux) - but yeah its not recommended

[azure salmon]

I gotta use all the other hotties

[barren tapir]

can you keep her alive? if so, then yes. if not, then no.

[sharp socket]

she seems quite good for a purple

[barren tapir]

she has really good utility but dies to a single bullet

[atomic abyss]

all hail eldridge retro

[barren tapir]

eld prolly helps

[azure salmon]

Is there like a universal tier list not made by some rando (and not the boob size tier list)

[barren tapir]

but yeah hamm2 has great asw good aa and big backline support buff skills iirc

[atomic abyss]

no

[knotty sleet]

when is yk2 gonna come btw?

[atomic abyss]

because a ships's usefulness varies depending on content

so there can never be a "universal" tierlist

[whole crypt]

most tier lists are not useful for actual lategame

[barren tapir]

do note that hamm2 + z52 would be meh together cos z52 alr has flag cover. hamm has ara tho but would use them separately to not 'waste' hamm's flag cover

[atomic abyss]

9th Jan if no changes from JP stream

[narrow ridge]

Okay here is everyone

Been playing since like a bit before second anniversary and I have some leveled but like idk all the new ones

[azure salmon]

Use all the ships you like, they'll do pretty well to a certain point

[barren tapir]

ngl tho, this has to be one of the best campaign support skills right

[azure salmon]

I use whatever ships have great skins and character designs

[atomic abyss]

if he's asking here

he's asking for if they're good and not whether they're nice looking

[barren tapir]

nothing in AL is universal

[storm heron]

it's mid in realm of buffs, but since you can't choose buffs anyway, it's better than nothing

[knotty sleet]

i see thanks, this game has UR marathon a lot haha

[atomic abyss]

and he already has 2 jean barts raised so its clear where his waifu preferences lie anyways

[azure salmon]

[barren tapir]

what even provides more in 1 skill that isnt from a UR i guess

[narrow ridge]

Thank you I’m a she as well

[barren tapir]

for campaign is what i mean, so helena is out ofc

[storm heron]

flagship cover definitely a mid skill come on

[atomic abyss]

flag cover is usually not a very useful skill

[barren tapir]

ARA + flagship cover in 1 skill for ch14/15 where ur cvs do a lot and ur flag needs to not die?

[narrow ridge]

I just wonder if purple ships are sometimes better than gold?

[whole crypt]

sometimes more like often

[barren tapir]

when musashi is the best campaign mobbing bb also

[atomic abyss]

however when you are facing BB enemies that shell your flag
or you're using musashi who absorbs hits while usually being IN flag

[whole crypt]

game full of shiny traps

[storm heron]

wait what that's hamman's skill

[barren tapir]

now combine that with the great cv buff on a vessel capable of nuking both planes and subs to keep the cvs concealed

[whole crypt]

more than Hammann has flag cover

[narrow ridge]

Ok these are my formations how are they ? Should I change anyone for another

I just don’t wanna level up ships that won’t be useful in the long run 😭😭

[barren tapir]

(are u guys just ignoring that it's ARA + flag cover in 1 skill?)

(and that i specified for campaign)

[atomic abyss]

for one, trash the 2nd JB

it's fine to keep as waifu, but dont use 2 of them

[narrow ridge]

Can I use Bismarck instead

[whole crypt]

would now be a good time to tell you the first Jean Bart won't be useful in the long run, needless to say the second one as well

[raven canyon]

first time ive seen 2 jean bart

[atomic abyss]

tirpitz is fine and i would rather you invest in her over bisko

bismarck is worse

[barren tapir]

i might be a little biased cos but i think it's a really great skill for campaign

[storm heron]

[narrow ridge]

What about Sirius or graf zeppelin

[sudden sparrow]

Y'all, it's the same JB

[barren tapir]

it's not, one is mlb

[whole crypt]

.

[atomic abyss]

the notable ones are hood, enterprise, shangri-la, tirpitz, jeanne, san diego, portland, saratoga, z23, sirius

please also go get unicorn from the guild shop asap

[sudden sparrow]

Oh wait, my bad.

[storm heron]

I'd rather hamman have operation rainbow or I'm number one tbh than ARA

[narrow ridge]

I love my Jean Bart

[atomic abyss]

and that's fine

[barren tapir]

she's a pure backline support different role

[narrow ridge]

Actually I have like 6 unicorns

[late flame]

you can profess your love over at #al-general no issue

[atomic abyss]

level her asap

[whole crypt]

if flag cover is consistently useful for you then it's more likely an overall fleet problem

[barren tapir]

assuming she herself doesnt keel over she excels at keeping your backline alive and dealing good damage

[storm heron]

but the admin said it's fine

[boreal wagon]

its a great skill but afaik hammann just gets outshined as a unit by other ships

[barren tapir]

we're gonna just straight up ignore how musashi + flag synergize and how ARA on top means your backline not only survives much longer but deals a lot more damage i guess

[narrow ridge]

Okay let me put them in a formation real quick

[whole crypt]

I'm assuming Hammann not Hammann II

[barren tapir]

i literally posted hamm2s skill

[storm heron]

[atomic abyss]

you see aurora, the problem is, always opportunity cost

[whole crypt]

Hammann II is great for low cost chip grind

[atomic abyss]

what do you sacrifice by bringing hamm2 over someone else?

[storm heron]

hamman II could have brought Operation rainbow, or I am Number one

[whole crypt]

the problem is she dies by being looked at the wrong way in ch14

[barren tapir]

i was just wondering about the skill itself, not the full package, cos imo its one of the best single skills for campaign, just stuck on a mid ship

[whole crypt]

and yeh, what are you giving up to slot her

[barren tapir]

context something something context

[atomic abyss]

flag cover is especially useful if you're running sushi

the thing is, it depends on what the ship is

[whole crypt]

if you have Aquila on Musashi medic duty flag cover is less of a thing

[boreal wagon]

didnt z52 now also have it built in idr

[barren tapir]

you know what, forget it lol clearly the point is missed

[storm heron]

Your point was opportunity cost right?

[whole crypt]

z52 has what now?

[atomic abyss]

you want an actually good version of flag cover?

[boreal wagon]

flag cover

[atomic abyss]

🟦 Thunder Guardian
Decreases this ship's DMG taken by 15.0%. Every time the Thunderheart gains 6 counters: restores 1.0% of this ship's max HP. Every 2 times this HP recovery effect activates, performs a special slashing attack (DMG and range are based on the skill's level). The first 3 times this slashing attack is performed each battle: the ship in your fleet with the lowest current HP percentage recovers 2.0% of her max HP.
Grants this ship the Flagship Cover skill; while this ship is afloat: decreases your Flagship's DMG taken by 25.0%. If there are multiple ships in your fleet with the Flagship Cover skill, only the one with the strongest effect activates.

[barren tapir]

also no offense but both eld and sandy fall under UR to me so i guess im right as they were the main counterexample skills brought up

[whole crypt]

lol they adding more variant skills again?

[barren tapir]

no my point was about the pure skill itself how well it ranks among other support campaign skills

(i guess hamm2's skill is good if it's only overshadowed by 3 UR skills)

[atomic abyss]

an example of a good variation of flag cover

[late flame]

we need moar implacable levels of skills

[whole crypt]

skills in a vaccuum don't mean anything because they're all attached to ships

[storm heron]

is Impero Charitable as good as flagship cover?

[boreal wagon]

the skill itself is wonderful it just doesnt really mean much precisely bc of context

[barren tapir]

okay but you see that's not what i was asking about

[narrow ridge]

How is this now

[atomic abyss]

not really, given it's limited by timer

[atomic abyss]

where's unicorn?

[late flame]

how's unicorn

[barren tapir]

which is why i said to drop the subject cos its not smth we will get on board with

[atomic abyss]

unicorn and enterprise are the best ships you have

[storm heron]

who's this

[boreal wagon]

what timer im not sure i follow

[atomic abyss]

wait wrong ping

[boreal wagon]

[atomic abyss]

not really, given it's limited by timer

[strange sphinx]

[narrow ridge]

I didn’t know who to swap for 😭😭 mob fleet is the one with Essex

[atomic abyss]

essex goes bye

[raven canyon]

no mo

[atomic abyss]

tirp has to be the solo BB if you dont have her augment

[atomic abyss]

that's who

[whole crypt]

Tirpitz is 0LB, I'd take Hood/Essex/Unicorn

[barren tapir]

shouldnt you kick out tirpy and use hood essex uni

[atomic abyss]

she was the tankiest DD in the game for a long time

[barren tapir]

wouldnt your point of opportunity cost/ship issue apply here?

[storm heron]

omg why is this player not using 1 fleet only

did I miss something

[whole crypt]

because like most players who didn't start learning the ropes early they've gotten a lot of shit wrong and fell into shiny trap

[atomic abyss]

he asked what ships were good
i told him what ships were good
and he made the teams himself

[barren tapir]

and if that counts as flagship cover variant ig z9 has one too lol

[storm heron]

Oh I see I see, cause we are like "Why are you using 2 fleets, just use 1 fleet" kinda response

[barren tapir]

not everyone knows the optimal way to start the game from the start lol

[storm heron]

maybe tradition do changes

and I guess this is a good change

[whole crypt]

well I wasn't part of that discussion, I don't have the mental capacity to do fleetbuilding advice now

[strange sphinx]

IJN and their armors

[atomic abyss]

what armour

[barren tapir]

[strange sphinx]

[upbeat wagon]

in a saratoga - musashi - unicorn fleet what is ideal saratoga and unicorn position or does it not matter

[barren tapir]

doesnt matter, musashi flag though

well ig it might matter if you use z52 with them

[strange sphinx]

how strong is the barrage of Saratoga, the planes I mean

[storm heron]

/barragedatamine

[barren tapir]

pretty good

[upbeat wagon]

also is fritz a solely mobbing ship like saratoga

[storm heron]

you can also use her for single target medium/light boss, which saratoga probably can also do

[atomic abyss]

UR so she works anywhere

she just works better in some places

[upbeat wagon]

mobbing is her stronger suit tho right?

[atomic abyss]

her strong suit is in operation siren bossing imo

[upbeat wagon]

ah ok

[storm heron]

also why is nobody talking about hvar double skyraider saratoga for light armor

[barren tapir]

what

[whole crypt]

because the rerun isn't here yet and it's slow as fuck

[barren tapir]

well we only have 1 skyraider atm (sad, i cant do skyraider sara at all)

[atomic abyss]

because of the hilarious rld

[storm heron]

ah the slowness

[barren tapir]

but also yeah sara is really slow already and it's very slow planes

[atomic abyss]

that's with 30 rld

[barren tapir]

i dont doubt shed slap with it tho

[storm heron]

mine's 0.02s so I didn't think about the rld previously

[barren tapir]

just wouldnt be able to sync with anyone

[whole crypt]

general reminder the current use of skyraider is either on slow comps or on Enterprise with Yorktown II boost

[barren tapir]

anyway sara wants tenrais more

how big an increase in damage is tenrai over helldiver actually

[atomic abyss]

0 rld, but with augment

without augment it's 25s 💀

[sharp socket]

didnt know CVs had a sushi gun too

[atomic abyss]

good luck syncing

[barren tapir]

does sara need to sync

[atomic abyss]

the diff is skyraiders are actually useful

in this hypothetical, the hvars still need to be synced

[barren tapir]

would it be viable with max rld tech and rld cats

[atomic abyss]

would it matter?

the issue is syncing with everyone else

[barren tapir]

who does she sync with

[atomic abyss]

i mean, let's just entertain this hypothetical

[stiff bison]

is there an auto sell feature for rare ships etc

[barren tapir]

idk the ins and outs of meta comps my brain only knows helena atm

[sharp socket]

there is quick retire

[atomic abyss]

if you did want to use sara as a bosser for some godforsaken reason

[strange sphinx]

is there Updated Opsi mob Farming fleet or it still 1 Uni then Aquila, fast CVL

[atomic abyss]

sync with your slower?

[barren tapir]

about 30%? is that all at +10

[wind hazel]

who made these chart

why are all the numbers fucked up

[sharp socket]

you can either do full fleet of preloads, or just use whatever good stuff not in your boss fleets

[upbeat wagon]

why is syncing important?

[barren tapir]

o true

[whole crypt]

os mob fleet is just healer or what you want to do

[barren tapir]

i was thinking about dmg buffs for some reason mb

[whole crypt]

full preloads is useless you just whiff after opening wave is dead
you want preload + fastload

[upbeat wagon]

and when should i start bothering myself with it

[storm heron]

when you are using buffers

[barren tapir]

well, she is waifu...

[atomic abyss]

syncing is important because you want to maximise your attacks during buff/debuff windows for bossing in opsiren/meta showdown

in campaign you want to desync to deal with multiple waves of anemies

[upbeat wagon]

ah ok

[strange sphinx]

just fast kill mobs in Search opsi

[whole crypt]

I'm still using Luna/Unicorn/Aquila/Hindenburg/Harbin/Ibuki

but doing META skill leveling now

[late flame]

tbh mob fleet in opsi is just uni+whatever

[whole crypt]

well some of us like to see it go faster

[upbeat wagon]

is there a tier list of all ships?

[whole crypt]

it's not like I have any use of ship XP from OS

[atomic abyss]

/tierlist

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Ship Tier Lists

Please note that tier lists are subjective and evaluation criteria differ from creator to creator. We encourage users to use multiple guides to get a better picture for ships' performance and said criteria.

🔹'Samvaluation' - Brief evaluation of new ships by samheart564
🔹Rankings for End Game Azur Lane - Applicable to all forms of late game content (W14/15, META Showdowns, OPSI, CM) by Suchiguma
🔹Azur Lane's EN Community Tier List - Applicable to early-mid game content (campaign up till W13) by Riceist & Slime (Not updated)
🔹CN tier list - by NGA Forum

use /equip for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[barren tapir]

for opsi mob you'd use preload aquila right

[whole crypt]

there are tierlists out there but they're not really useful without context

[final heart]

I just got Hipper META, what can I use her for?

[atomic abyss]

nothing, you probably have better

[barren tapir]

she's so nice

[final heart]

all I have are starter units
not that I'm complaining, I wanna know if I can build her for anything in the future, that's all

[strange sphinx]

can I replace luna with Indep?

[barren tapir]

how's akagi muse there?

[atomic abyss]

meta ships are just, harder to build for a new player, because you cant skill upgrade them or enhance them the same way

[left nest]

so, between amagi cv and fritz rumey, who has mlb prio?

[whole crypt]

Akagi muse is an okay fast launcher but not super high tier

[atomic abyss]

Amagi

[fiery raptor]

is there any particular gun z52 works best with or default to 100kai?

[barren tapir]

dont have her was just curious cos i remember she had a fast launch

[left nest]

[strange sphinx]

the single British gun

[whole crypt]

supposedly gold 113

[barren tapir]

single 113

100kai would probably work fine too (might be a tad wasted on her vs another dd who has no cheap good alternative)

[fiery raptor]

ah right she's a barrager

[atomic abyss]

gold 113 = single british gun

not might be a tad, just straight up is wasted

[strange sphinx]

well it is quite expensive to craft

[barren tapir]

its been a bit now, have ppl been able to live test her gun options

can use single 76 until you can view single 113 as cheap

[fiery raptor]

113 is fine by me, i can direct the ur bp to something else

[strange sphinx]

can i use 76 to Shimakaze until I got 100kai or imma put 113 to her until I got 100kai

[left nest]

this is alright for a poor-mans amagi cv load out yea?

[barren tapir]

for what exactly

[late flame]

depends on what you are fighting and who else in fleet with her

[civic crag]

shop torp good?

[atomic abyss]

shima wants 76 and only 76

[whole crypt]

but Shimakaze just doesn't want 100kai

[barren tapir]

shima doesnt want 100kai, big waste on her

[left nest]

ig im pairing her with shinano and haku for bossing

[barren tapir]

not just waste but also worse for her xd

[atomic abyss]

best auto torp in game

[whole crypt]

like 113 may or may not be better for her but 100kai is straight up worse for Shimakaze

[civic crag]

wb the 610

[barren tapir]

113 is prolly on par just expensive, more range is nice but it's marginally slower

[civic crag]

who do i put shop torp on assuming i have every ship

[barren tapir]

and unlike z52 shima doesnt rlly give two fucks about the higher fp stat (maybe 0.2 fucks)

[whole crypt]

whoever your best torper is now

[strange sphinx]

ic

[barren tapir]

i put mine on nana

[civic crag]

so that would be shimakaze but then what do i do with the UR torp

[atomic abyss]

thats for manual

[whole crypt]

mine are on Kazagumo and Mogador because Ibuki and Unzen are using quints

[civic crag]

i manual boss

[strange sphinx]

oh well my mistake of crafting 113 is not wasted I guess

[barren tapir]

then you can use it i guess

[civic crag]

because close up torp spam is funny

[fiery raptor]

quint mag?

[civic crag]

is it okay for kazagumo

[strange sphinx]

wait What gun should Nana use btw?

[barren tapir]

if using shima for manual keep the 610 i suppose and give the improved quad to whoever your best torp ship is when you auto

[barren tapir]

single 113 or single 76

[civic crag]

bet

[whole crypt]

if you're manual topring just use tea torps

every other torp launcher has angle issues and you risk taking damage going too close to face torp

[barren tapir]

shes like shima where single 113 isnt really an upgrade over 76 but its gold so i gave her one

[strange sphinx]

.... so not Ironblood gearlab gun hah

[late flame]

ngl for the longest time i thought tea toprs were strictly pvp only lol

[barren tapir]

tho 113 may be a little more reliable since higher range, im not sure...

at any rate 113 is a luxury item for waifu only in the case of nana imo

[whole crypt]

off the top of my head somethngsomething targeting frames and 76 doesn't even end up being faster than 113 in practice

[fiery raptor]

is 128skc a better secondary dd gun for gun cl compared to tash/harbin gun?

[barren tapir]

costs too much to be normally worth it

[fiery raptor]

like for fargo/hous2n

[barren tapir]

128 pierces but idk

[whole crypt]

so practically 113 is just an upgrade regardless, the "slightly slower" ROF doesn't really come into play

[barren tapir]

128 is cheaper/more readily available though imo it's my general use dd gun option atm

[barren tapir]

true. but costwise 113 is a really small upgrade in most cases for a bunch of electronics and shit

def agree ur not gonna notice a 0.03s difference especially with abscd being 0.3s / 10x more impactful

[whole crypt]

it's a luxury item, if you're there, you're there

[barren tapir]

fun fact, max dd rld tech should provide close to the same reload difference

[wet badge]

5 star z52 vs mlb retro z23

[fiery raptor]

what is the "tag" equip for the tempesta? the flag?

[barren tapir]

z52 probably

[wet badge]

Aight

Tbh might asw bc i only need 1 more bulin for mlb

[fiery raptor]

what is that "tag" eva aux i'm clueless

[narrow ridge]

Hey everyone I see the people who were here before arent anymore but how are these formations

[fiery raptor]

oh never mind it's the freaking beaver tag

[nocturne glade]

wait for YK2 i assume?

[barren tapir]

move hood to flag, put portland on the left, jeanne in the middle

not sure who was helping you before, did they say to 1 fleet or make mob + boss?

[fiery raptor]

would grabbing shinano be an option?

[narrow ridge]

Yes, unicorn fleet is mob fleet

[atomic abyss]

yes, wait

[barren tapir]

would wait tbh

[fiery raptor]

yk2>shinano?

[barren tapir]

that fleet looks pretty good, boss fleet tho idk, it has no tank so maybe swap portland and phoenix

[atomic abyss]

shinano you could always accidentally luck out with dupes, after all

[barren tapir]

they dont seem to have amagi cv do they? so probably shinano not worth bulins

[nocturne glade]

great, ty!

[barren tapir]

iirc i was recomended shinano (still unsure if i follow or wait or yolo tbh) cos i have amagi and that + avp would be a good cv boss fleet until i get impla

[narrow ridge]

These are my tanks

[barren tapir]

i might just wait if i dont need anyone powerful urgently for the copium italian double UR event. surely!

[kind slate]

What’s a good number of flapjacks to have?

[wind hazel]

2 or more, like every gear

[barren tapir]

yeah idk gonna let someone else help you for that

[barren tapir]

as many as you need

[fiery raptor]

depends where you are pushing

[kind slate]

I have 3 rn, and I’m on 14-4

[barren tapir]

best general use and campaign fighter for surface damage + aa also great support fleet fighter.

[fiery raptor]

if you want to bling out vs w15, you'd have like 11

w14 just enough for your carriers

[barren tapir]

just delay w15 long enough and 11 will be easy

i currently have 3 long way to go

[stiff bison]

anything else i should replace for Agir?

[storm heron]

good enuff

[barren tapir]

looks good to me

[storm heron]

if u want to you can sync ur agir

[stiff bison]

wdym by sync?

[barren tapir]

her slow/armorbreak to your backline?

[storm heron]

agir's torp can slow, by making sure agir launch torp when the bb fire, you can make enemy have 60% slow

[fiery raptor]

faster torps for that armor break

[storm heron]

armor break idk though

[fiery raptor]

iirc the purple triple is enough for that role

[barren tapir]

well quadmag is around ~20s rld it shouldnt be an issue

[storm heron]

armor break is tied to the gun, not torp

[barren tapir]

or with hpfcr then uhhh purple triple yea

[atomic abyss]

slow is tied to torp

[stiff bison]

should i use this instead?

[atomic abyss]

no

[barren tapir]

def not

[bold cove]

General torp use is golden Quad mag right?

[stiff bison]

im suprised its not the quint one

[atomic abyss]

the rainbow quint is the same if not worse than the regular gold quad mag

and we now have the improved quad gold mag also in this event

[fiery raptor]

it's the gold quad or the purple triple

[storm heron]

or the iris double

[stiff bison]

should i change my quad to a different one?

[fiery raptor]

on agir? thats new to me

[storm heron]

try purple triple mags, give gold quad mags to someone else

[bold cove]

I think there is for auto and non auto

[stiff bison]

oh i was going to use the one u get from the event

[wind hazel]

this is some cursed tech

[atomic abyss]

better used on someone with actually good torps

[wind hazel]

better off on another ship that has good torpedo damage

[bold cove]

Like Z52?

[fiery raptor]

does eldretro have good torp damage?

[stiff bison]

what build for fritz?

[storm heron]

nah z52 takes whatever, so is eld retro

[atomic abyss]

z52 torp eff is shit
eld torp is just shit

[atomic abyss]

where are you using her
is she max star?

[stiff bison]

yes max star annd tbh idk what im going to use her for

[bold cove]

Okay for those 2, i just slap quad mag, any recommend for good torp dmg in shipyard?

[atomic abyss]

ibuki

[fiery raptor]

she's good at killing medium so at least that's her job on opsi

[bold cove]

I dont have her, might dev her after pr5 😦

[wind hazel]

i mean that kind of question depend more on what ships you're using on the fleet

like if my fleet only has agir eldridge and helena i'd put the improved quad on eldridge than on agir

[storm heron]

who uses agir eld helena

[wind hazel]

just an example

[storm heron]

oh I thought there was some unique meta comp or smth

[fiery raptor]

which healcv/l heal backline more than once?

[storm heron]

zuuhou

perseus heal twice

[fiery raptor]

does aquila heal more than once?

[storm heron]

per airstrike

[bold cove]

I had eldrid, yuudachi, sandy, momo, z52 all mlb and retro

[storm heron]

I don't think you can retro mimmo and z53, but in this case put best torp on eld > yuudachi > z52 > momo > sandy

[wind hazel]

yuudachi i guess?

[bold cove]

Ah yeah, all of them have torp

[storm heron]

it's not like much improvement, but it is what it is

[rare wyvern]

I have just got a Champagne gun with protocores, what should I spend them on next ? Pursue second Tenrai ?

[wind hazel]

get 2nd champagne

[storm heron]

I have to think about whether it's worth it given january is close

[bold cove]

Okay, if im not getting any powerful torp user after pr5, i will dev ibuki

[storm heron]

don't be forced to, it's not like you need ships with powerful torp

[wind hazel]

and Harbin is good ship from PR5 too

[storm heron]

harbin very good torp

[bold cove]

For vanguard is mostly prefer def then debuff, dmg dealer last right?

[wind hazel]

nah definitely case by case

[coarse heron]

depends on the fight

[bold cove]

I mean in term of distribute resource through out the whole fleet

[wind hazel]

yes, it's case by case

[coarse heron]

if there's not much vanguard pressure you throw in DPS vanguard

[storm heron]

(For aux choices) I guess so in the early game where ur weapon deal shit damage but the buffs from skill is max, so u want them to be alive mainly to support the backline

yea depends on the fight

EN moment, truly

[narrow ridge]

Should I retrofit San Diego? And should I switch Phoenix for somebody?

[stiff bison]

what else should i change and add?

cant really use UR planes rn cause they are being used

[wind hazel]

if exp farming just give fighter with bomb and wyvern or something

[stiff bison]

would btd 1 work?

[wind hazel]

no btd is very shit

[storm heron]

mori handle this, I'm about to backread the whole ectl drama

[wind hazel]

hold up, what drama. where

[stiff bison]

hopw about proto xf5u?

[coarse heron]

Preliminary testing has shown Rumey is better off just using a STAAG instead of a CL gun

[wind hazel]

which one is that, i dont remember names that much

is that the golden helldiver

[wind hazel]

oh pancake yes that fighter is great

[coarse heron]

Flapjack is the best gold fighter, generally speaking

[fiery raptor]

is pancake tigercat and hornet more or less the same in intercept?

well pancake are faster iirc

[wind hazel]

pancake slightly better AA, about the same otherwise

[bold cove]

Mostly same

[wind hazel]

outside of w15 you use them interchangeably

[fiery raptor]

how about in w15

[wind hazel]

pancakes good

[whole crypt]

also interchangeable

[fiery raptor]

buyers remorse for 11 tigercats avoided

[stiff bison]

hows it looking fellas

[wind hazel]

[whole crypt]

panflaps are better but the difference shouldn't make or break your fleet

[coarse heron]

why are you using a beacon?

[stiff bison]

wait what should i change?

[hallow mountain]

Is there a ship worth saving for later?

[coarse heron]

Also the BF-109G is strictly an anti-light boss fighter

[stiff bison]

am i suppose to run double panflips?

[hallow mountain]

I got Fritz so idk if I should spend my remaining cubes or not

[wind hazel]

maybe i suck at explaining here 😭

[late flame]

nah its people not reading

[fiery raptor]

if i only have the 2 plyguns, is the 2nd one more or less guaranteed for fritz or is there another ship that could use the gun better?

1st gun is on ply ofc

[whole crypt]

[coarse heron]

@wind hazel btw sushi said the next day after that message "just use STAAG"#gameplay-help message

[fiery raptor]

what is 2nd best cl gun for fritz?

[stiff bison]

should i take off the this from plymouth ?

[atomic abyss]

no

[fiery raptor]

i'd give fritz second best since ply is great with her gun

[atomic abyss]

155 kai

[coarse heron]

like it seems to literally be "if you don't have a Plymouth gun for Rumey just use a Staag"

[atomic abyss]

i would just use a staag yeah

better to use an AA gun at that point

[storm heron]

in single target just use a staag too

[coarse heron]

10 hit is better than a CL gun that won't hit anything because it's firing from the next area code

[dawn ledge]

does anyone knows how to delete some meowfficer, i cannot find the button

[wind hazel]

what even does her cl gun do for fritz, i honestly havent look deep into her kit

[storm heron]

cannibalism

[late flame]

feed to other cats

[coarse heron]

you feed them to each other

Meowfficers are cannibals

[dawn ledge]

That's cannibalism

[storm heron]

interception

[whole crypt]

they're just robots anyway

[stiff bison]

for this photo, should i give the prototype carrier based LA9 to Fritz or Admiral

[wind hazel]

ayo what drama btw

[dawn ledge]

yea but still

[coarse heron]

so are the shipgirls

[outer walrus]

Is there any way to autosell farmed units?

[coarse heron]

No

[wind hazel]

i have no idea

[solar stump]

so quick question, where do I get the material for the gear lab

[coarse heron]

You play OpSi

[stiff bison]

@wind hazel uhh what do you think about this build?

[whole crypt]

there's no lore that says shipgirls are robots but meowfficers are literally robot assistants

[inland shoal]

Goldiver

[solar stump]

[wind hazel]

it looks pepega

[stiff bison]

i guess ill just give the plane to fritz then

[wind hazel]

i mean what are you planning on doing

[stiff bison]

opsi

[wind hazel]

if you wanna boss with them, nakhimov isn't ready

[storm heron]

nah just some people over the usual dd tierings, I am kinda confused too, tpdh started referencing Jimmy's vid, then some argument happens, Max got called alt, etc etc
And the discussion kinda toxic too, good thing this channel not toxic

[wind hazel]

and depending on what boss, the planes setup change

[vale spindle]

It functions like odins ghost gun that's the gimmick

[coarse heron]

man what did you think that game mode was for

[late flame]

who gets what plane depends on what you are fighting + who is in the same fleet

[whole crypt]

La-9 is specifically a med/heavy bossing rocket fighter

[coarse heron]

people get way too sweaty over a single player only game

[wind hazel]

also based on fighter efficiency, i come to conclusion that fritz should be holding the la9, correct if wrong

[storm heron]

functions like bismarck's 80 range but longer

[stiff bison]

ngl i feel like im building most of my ships incorrect, is there like a guide or somewhere with builds?

[storm heron]

wait but odin's ghost gun doesn't even do that much damage though right

[wind hazel]

🏃🏼‍♂️ im gonna go read brb

[coarse heron]

which turns out to actually be a downside, since bullets aren't homing

[whole crypt]

also 4-plane slot

[coarse heron]

and the guns shoot at where they enemy was, not where they are

[vale spindle]

I mean fritzs cl gun doesnt even do that much damage either

[storm heron]

so it just sucked...
Also odin has a torp slot, does that mean odin launch mag torp every cooldown?

[vale spindle]

isnt it like 100% eff thats the same as odins ghost gun and she has less fp by a lot

[whole crypt]

the gear depends on what you're doing, you're not going to find "the one right setup"

[coarse heron]

she has her own timer

[vale spindle]

yes odin has a torp button press like vanguard ships

[storm heron]

press?

[vale spindle]

whenever its pressed she fires torpedoes but her skill forces the pattern

[storm heron]

my odin is 125 and I just known now

[coarse heron]

yes, it's like having a 4th torpedo button

[stiff bison]

i realize that, is there like some sort of guide or video i can watch so i know what im doing with equipments?

[vale spindle]

pretty sure its a button press on the bottom right to activate yes

[whole crypt]

ask here I guess

[coarse heron]

her torp efficiency is very high but she only has 241 torp so idk if it's worth using anything other than regular Quad Mag Torp on her

[stiff bison]

i dont want to spam this chat ngl, cause i got 0 clues whats stuff is for what

[storm heron]

oh there's the sam equipment guide

[vale spindle]

odin likes quint mag a lot

[trail leaf]

Why does this unicorn have an aircraft in aux slot?

[whole crypt]

videos tend to be pepega and I'm not aware of any good gearset compendiums

[crimson glacier]

anti sub planes go to aux

[late flame]

anti sub plane

[storm heron]

cause she force the pattern to be parallel (?)

[stiff bison]

where can i find that?

[vale spindle]

its considered an aux by the game

[coarse heron]

the gold one?
or actually blow cash on the UR one?

[inland shoal]

It's an ASW aircraft, they go to aux slots on CVLs

[vale spindle]

no rainbow one obviously

normally rainbow quint and gold quad are interchangeable but not on odin since her pattern means more of the mag torps have homing chances

[inland shoal]

I wonder about quint vs improved quad (The fact that improved quad is kinda wasted aside)

[trail leaf]

thx 🙂

[storm heron]

but what if there's no enemy in the middle, would odin aux just do nothing? cause I have never seen it homing... I think

[vale spindle]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment although its slightly outdated

[vale spindle]

yes but thats why mag torps, they still retain their homing so they will home eventually

[whole crypt]

it's also a lot of reading and not a direct setup guide

[coarse heron]

why would I use homing torps her torps don't home
lil bro cmon be serious now

[storm heron]

yeah mb, I misremembered it, and Sam said it changes pattern, so I thought it changed to some straight torps

[stiff bison]

does anyone have a build for Z52

[coarse heron]

Single 113 for gun, use your regular torps, regular AA gun, then uhhh afaik double toolbox

[storm heron]

put your fastest gun, whatever torp, best aa gun, and double toolbox

[atomic abyss]

single 76 if you lack that gold gun

[crimson glacier]

does she really want that shit gun

[coarse heron]

Yeah

[stiff bison]

how do u even get that single gun

[atomic abyss]

gear lab from blue single 120

[coarse heron]

gear lab

[atomic abyss]

faster the gun, the higher her dmg and the tankier she becomes

[coarse heron]

it's like that movie the Core, the faster she goes, the tougher she gets

[crimson glacier]

how boring

[narrow ridge]

Is she good?

[atomic abyss]

no

[narrow ridge]

How can I level my commander level

By doing events??

[atomic abyss]

play the game more really

[storm heron]

exactly

[late flame]

there is also the whale option

[storm heron]

anyways z52's barrage has 100% accuracy right? as in the homing type

[narrow ridge]

Is there anything else I can do besides main campaign and event??

[coarse heron]

OpSi gives commander XP

[atomic abyss]

operation siren, but i doubt you have that unlocked yet

so event and campaign it is

[narrow ridge]

Can’t do that yet

[coarse heron]

your dailies give commander XP if you don't hit the skip button

[late flame]

tbh i didnt touch opsi until i had a full fleet of lv120s (yes i was noob lol)

[tropic tusk]

but those exp are so little

[coarse heron]

Sir this is a gacha game

You are time gated on purpose, take what XP you can get

[tropic tusk]

they were too little i never care about them after i completed 1 time

[stiff bison]

do u guys check that for the event? like the automatically use

[coarse heron]

here's other ways to get commander XP
it's not enough
okay then don't complain it takes a long time if you're not willing to get it

[tropic tusk]

i mean i played 1 year and my level is 128 now

[coarse heron]

books are for when you don't have a lot of time

[pine inlet]

If you have em, use em

[tropic tusk]

check if u dont have time to play event

[late flame]

use HELP only if you have little time to play. it combines 2 runs into 1. also drains double everything

[bold cove]

fastest way for new account is buying lev 70 package...

[inner delta]

if you want more cmdr exp, run higher lv enemy

[tropic tusk]

if u have time just keep till when u really need to use them ( like only little time to play the game)

[inner delta]

like 15-4

[tropic tusk]

thts just useless tbh

[whole crypt]

somethingsomething commander levels are fast until around 130

[inner delta]

it give more exp if you are lower than enemy lv

[tropic tusk]

u get lvl 70 really quick

[late flame]

imagine if newbies can access 15-4 right off the bat kek

[whole crypt]

tell that to the levelgated folks

[bold cove]

well, just try to promote more ppl to buy stuff for the game i like 😦

[tropic tusk]

u get like lvl 70 in around a month

[storm heron]

I think the only one who can do 15-4 to increase commander level is abdou since everyone who can do 15-4 is at least level 120+

[coarse heron]

I'd say until 140ish, cause that's around the time when everything is half XP

[whole crypt]

most lose attention span in less than 2 weeks

[tropic tusk]

then this game isnt for them then

[coarse heron]

on that Beijing grindset

[tropic tusk]

techly u get gatekeep till lvl 100

[whole crypt]

depends if you move grind spots

[coarse heron]

105, actually

[whole crypt]

since much time will be spent in ch12

[tropic tusk]

see so buying that lvl 70 wont really help much

[storm heron]

did abdou even spend time in ch12

[late flame]

i legit bought up all cmd packs after lv70 because lazy

[whole crypt]

yes but 70 opens us the better grind spots

[bold cove]

lay your hand on more good stuff in daily raid

[storm heron]

you can do corrosion 1 farming starting from day1 if you buy level 70 cmdr pack

[tropic tusk]

yea it opens better grinding spot but ur ships wont be ready for those spot either way

[whole crypt]

not those the booster pack that sends you to 70 if you're below

[barren tapir]

lvl70 pack isnt just for lvl70. it is a fairly good newbie deal that skips the cringiest and most annoying parts of the game as a new player

it's a good option for ppl who wann spend a lil to support the game and jump closer to midgame and skip some of the cringefest that is brand new player experience in azur lane

[late flame]

i reached level 70 then snapped up everything because shiny exp books

[bold cove]

most of the time, im recommend this pack for new, if theyre willing to spend

[tropic tusk]

some people will get infomation overload cause too much shit to learn when they jump level

[whole crypt]

the pack has bulins and XP packs, if you use them diligently you can dive right in

[coarse heron]

people forgetr you don't even get dailies until level 10

[storm heron]

idk, I bought it and still feels cringy ngl, especially on planes, I was so used to unicorn wiping out wave until I realize I only have corasir and barracuda

[barren tapir]

it removes some of the cringe not all

[bold cove]

alot

[storm heron]

• they don't give you washing machine right

[tropic tusk]

i didnt buy the lvl 70 thing i bouhgt the pr 2 pack instead

[spring bolt]

the lv70 pack can skip about 2 weeks of worst gameplay, where you have literally no gear and cmdr level locked after ch 6
if you are ok with those, the pack is worthless to you, otherwise that pack is good

[barren tapir]

just the most cringe aspects aka when you literally have 0 gear god...i remember early battles take so fucking long even with lvl advantage

[coarse heron]

I didn't know the game was easy enough to use autobattle until like W3

[late flame]

yeah farming WA was ugh

[barren tapir]

i had 2x exp bonus event too which helped alleviate some of it. starting outside jp anniv...the 70 pack is REALLY tempting

[coarse heron]

I took the autobattle warning seriously

[storm heron]

also there was this one time where being new players are so good, the event that gives you lots of stuff, was it 2023 May or smth

[tropic tusk]

then i found out i cant exchange fdg and i wasa like fuck....

[bold cove]

the best for new, if that person want to know which ships to buy, they should come here and ask first

yesterday there a guy buy pr4, and chose Marco polo

[rare wyvern]

Meanwhile randomly ramming seems a bigger threat than torps

[late flame]

oof mp

[tropic tusk]

not everyone knows theres a disord channel u know

[tropic tusk]

yea after i buy the pack i also find myself funnny

[coarse heron]

I find it funny when one of my vanguard in PvP triggers their Manjuu Damage Control and then proceeds to go ramming speed right into an enemy BB and instantly sink them from ramming damage since they're invincible for 12 seconds

[barren tapir]

marco augment doko

[wind hazel]

MP isn't that bad is it

[coarse heron]

Marco Polo is... yeah.

[late flame]

mp isnt bad but she has serious competition

[atomic abyss]

marco is still one of the best gold BBs

[tropic tusk]

pr is just easy to grind , if i could i wouldnt spend money on pr pack also

[barren tapir]

idk honestly, just looking at her stats and skills she doesnt LOOK bad but everywhere i see ppl clown on her...

[atomic abyss]

well, she was at least

[storm heron]

I mean isn't she a clown

[barren tapir]

160% x3 guns with good enough base stats, the main issue is 85% barrage i guess

[atomic abyss]

she doesnt have 100% proc rate

[storm heron]

+1 bb hp is wild

[barren tapir]

+2 actually

[storm heron]

+0.02% eHP

[wind hazel]

i guess the argument is that both anchorage is better tank and avp can speed up FDG+a slow for CV set up in longer run

[barren tapir]

tbf ruppy doesnt and she is doing good work for me...

obviously u cant compare gold bbs to UR bb. but i feel like marco shud be good for gold...but ppl act like she's one step above penny

[storm heron]

yes the opportunity cost made mp just pale in comparison

[wind hazel]

then yeah i can see why MP is considered the worst choice out of them

[barren tapir]

she's definitely the worst pr4 but is that actually a bad thing when pr4 is godly

[storm heron]

when all pr4 ships are literally still used to this day (except mp)

[barren tapir]

not a good pick from the selector but that doesnt mean she is a bad ship imo

[wind hazel]

yeah i dont think that choice is that bad

[barren tapir]

that's because she has the misfortune of being a bb and not being rainbow

[wind hazel]

it's just less worth than the other 2 choices?

or something. opportunity cost something something

[barren tapir]

and idk isnt 160% mg eff really high

[storm heron]

low fp no?

[crimson glacier]

stop saying random things

[barren tapir]

also in this case obviously i agree shes a bad choice for selector, im talking more in general how i see everyone shit on her lol

[bold cove]

she not, but context is, New account, buying pr4 pack 😄

[barren tapir]

441 fp is not low

[wind hazel]

not that bad tbh

[barren tapir]

though admittedly she has no damage steroid besides her 15% mg eff

well and anti-out-of-ammo but that's 🤏

[wind hazel]

if they are willing to spend, any PR4 selector is fine. better than PR2 or 3 at least

[storm heron]

lemme see what other ships' fp buffs are

[wind hazel]

maybe PR1 izumo is the play too

[barren tapir]

tbh she might not even be a bad pick for a newbie bc your newbie bb options are shit as fuck and nelson/hood cost shit to get good

[noble osprey]

Guys any idea what tier the new UR ships are?

[barren tapir]

though yeah in the case of wanting a pr bb...would pick izumo so you can get ancho/avp as well

[wind hazel]

yeah i want to say that MP very solid to last til farmable stage

[barren tapir]

still. i really dont think marco bad

[atomic abyss]

she isnt bad

at the end of the day, it's napoli tech

[storm heron]

hope that's a joke cause by the time you have enough bps to d25 napoli based on rationale you will get enough tech

[barren tapir]

at least everyone needs to make her for +1 fp right

[coarse heron]

mama mia

[atomic abyss]

i mean fybre

tech for UNLOCKING napoli

[crimson glacier]

fybre isnt known for being the sharpest tool in the shed

[storm heron]

why would you unlock her

[atomic abyss]

[storm heron]

isn't not d25 bad something2

[barren tapir]

you don't unlock napoli?

[late flame]

yup definitely flew over his head

[crimson glacier]

how do you get d25 without unlocking the ship

[atomic abyss]

i feel like the wires are crossed here

[barren tapir]

[wind hazel]

💀

[atomic abyss]

i mean using marco to get pasta faction tech points to unlock napoli for development

[storm heron]

you sure talk like you're one

[barren tapir]

aquila + marco = napoli

[crimson glacier]

when the competition is like this its easy to shine

[storm heron]

[barren tapir]

in completely unrelated news, who is the best italian bb

[wind hazel]

they have bb?

[atomic abyss]

VV...

who is still one of the best SR BBs period

[barren tapir]

thank you for the completely unrelated news answer

[sharp socket]

alsus?

[storm heron]

that's french

[sharp socket]

wait no french gomenasorry

[tropic tusk]

vv is the name tho

[coarse heron]

Vittorio's Venetos

[barren tapir]

i'm aware

[storm heron]

So what was it again, marco polo not a bad choice for new player who can buy pr and 343 bps?

[barren tapir]

t'was a callback to how i asked about it lol

[tropic tusk]

oh xD

[tropic tusk]

u can buy 343 bps?

[barren tapir]

would do izumo + anchorage instead

or even avp to ease fdg

[storm heron]

bruh I was about to argue that

[barren tapir]

marco shouldve been in pr3 or something

[sharp socket]

wasnt there a guy that did it for marco

[storm heron]

oh welp ok then nvm, why would I keep arguing over things anyways

[tropic tusk]

i mean if u can buy y buy mp and not fdg for early game

[sharp socket]

and got accordingly called a dum dum

[barren tapir]

i think that guy spawned this whole discussion

[storm heron]

cuz u can't?

[barren tapir]

you cant buy fdg

[atomic abyss]

cant buy rainbow

[coarse heron]

so when are we assuming Plymouth will be coinable? with the gear lab update this winter?

[tropic tusk]

right fdg is rainbow

[storm heron]

next year more

[barren tapir]

more like earlyish 2026

[coarse heron]

oh right, PR5 not DR5

[storm heron]

pr4 drs isn't even coinable rn

[rare wyvern]

Agir and Haku aren't even

[barren tapir]

we still need agir and haku you silly goose

[tropic tusk]

when did they allow u to coin pr 1 and pr 2

[coarse heron]

yeah I'll just use these DR prints on Plymouth then

[barren tapir]

same

[coarse heron]

around 2021

[tropic tusk]

on both?

[coarse heron]

for PR1 for sure

[storm heron]

Now I understand why suchi sometimes just block people

[bold cove]

next winter 😄

[crimson glacier]

the thing is

[coarse heron]

look it's 3:45am and I'm tired I got seasons mixed up

[bold cove]

haku will be coin first or agir or both?

[crimson glacier]

you need to understand if you randomly say things that are objectively wrong

ppl wont believe you when you are right later

[fiery raptor]

is 114 twin worth grabbing in gear lab or is it too many stages to go through to be worthwhile (like hornet)

[atomic abyss]

not worth

pretty sure you can get it in research to begin with?

cant rmb

[storm heron]

pretty sure it was expensive

9 gold gun bps

[coarse heron]

this one? it's a bit spendy in gear lab.

[storm heron]

it's pr2 but idk if it's worth

[bold cove]

UR gear print in protocore shop, is it limited?

[atomic abyss]

oh that's why i have so many

[barren tapir]

pr3

[tropic tusk]

they are both french right? wths the difference

[coarse heron]

one is Vichy France

[barren tapir]

one's free france one's germany france

[atomic abyss]

free french allied with the allies
vichy french allied with the axis

[barren tapir]

yeah that ^

their pre-schism name is iris orthodoxy for the full french navy

[coarse heron]

in the lore they actually reformed

[tropic tusk]

so its like eagle union and sakura are right?

[barren tapir]

[crimson glacier]

vichya is cool and iris is cringe

[tropic tusk]

like in the anime

[coarse heron]

bro what

[bold cove]

no

[barren tapir]

both are cool

[tropic tusk]

oh

[storm heron]

it's just based on lore though, idk if there's actually in game consequences if using opposing factions

[hidden smelt]

Help how do I get the last one

[tropic tusk]

wts allies and axis xD

[bold cove]

tomorrow

[atomic abyss]

wait another day

[barren tapir]

you wait a day lol

[tropic tusk]

right imma ask there

[barren tapir]

world war 2 sides

[storm heron]

there's a lore channel

[hidden smelt]

Oh I just noticed this event now tbh I thought it was old

[molten galleon]

Ww2

[atomic abyss]

search up axis powers and allied powers in ww2

[late flame]

or lurk in #history

[lilac ivy]

Is raising a second Z52 worth it?

[late flame]

nope

[atomic abyss]

no, limit break the first with the copy

[bold cove]

no

[lilac ivy]

😦
ty

[sinful escarp]

its never worth it to raise a 2nd copy of a ship

[tropic tusk]

unless u really love the charater and want to keep mulit of it

[lilac ivy]

Not even unicorn? I can’t get Perseus no matter how much I pull…

[coarse heron]

why do you need 2 healers?

[sinful escarp]

you wont be able to run them together anyways

[lilac ivy]

I’m not done with main campaign

[tropic tusk]

u cant run them on same map anyway max u can only bring 1 per map

[sinful escarp]

also dont pull on normal banners, just 1 per day

[coarse heron]

Perseus is actually very subpar by the time you reach campaign maps where you need a 2nd healer

[fiery raptor]

is z52 a toolbox washingmachine kind of dd or just double toolbox?

[coarse heron]

the main reason people used to use her is pre-retro Unicorn wasn't as good of a healer and they were willing to put up with the DPS loss

[tropic tusk]

u wont need perseus till world 14

[coarse heron]

you don't need a 2nd healer in W14 and if you do your ships aren't geared enough

W15 yes but you should be using Aquila or Volga anyway

[storm heron]

from what I see people here, the main reason you shouldn't raise another copy of a ship is because at its core, you are to collect more ships, which means by the time you finished raising the second copy, the game might have more ships that powercreep or have overlapping use to the point your second copy loses her value

[fiery raptor]

imagine raising a 2nd nj with skills maxed and geared
couldn't be me

ragret, thinking of the 4 URin

[tropic tusk]

~~i have 3 unicorn retrofit + oath ~~

[storm heron]

also ship copy only physically usable in three niche gameplay cases:

• Campaign (not worth it, see above)
• EX Mode (very cheap investment since you don't need to fully maxed the ship)
• Lowcosting (might be the only reason you raise another copy, I bet some people here who know what they are doing have at least 1 additional mahan copy)

[crimson glacier]

low cost is just kinda pointless

just let oil cap and regen do its magic

[fiery raptor]

is z52 enough aa to justify sexybofors or just a staag holder?

[crimson glacier]

hit is useless for her

if you want statstick just go with 134

[storm heron]

she has carry-level AA, so yes sexys

[fiery raptor]

carry-level, can we name a suitable comparator? i doubt she's sandy and shimanto level

[zenith heron]

Also Torva, what AA's are kinda good to use to ships Like Uni Kai if Staags are not that great? the UR AA? Any Alternative?

[crimson glacier]

i dont think it really matters usually

[lilac ivy]

Admission time. I use 2 unicorns because I’m a dirty tempesta user 🙂

[crimson glacier]

but range is always good if you have roombas to spare

[storm heron]

he said that? I don't think so

[zenith heron]

so its like a placeholder or smth? till you have what you suggested

[wind hazel]

staag is completely fine on unicorn

[zenith heron]

barely remember, just remembered a certain convo here with that certain situation

[crimson glacier]

well the thing about AA is that it basically doesnt make any difference unless you are in w13 or 15

i guess first time w12 too

[storm heron]

you should show me that

[fiery raptor]

having a big circle is nice especially in auto because in plane hell the planes don't always run down the middle. having the damn conga line run by the edges to buttfuck your backline on auto is annoying

[zenith heron]

nah, about to do w14, even though that is sub hell, just asking for suggestions

[south sequoia]

Does duisburg have any useful tech

wondering If I should pull for her

[wind hazel]

cl 2fp

[south sequoia]

oh

thats nice

[wind hazel]

very nice indeed

[storm heron]

"buttfuck"

definitely new word to mix in convo

[fiery raptor]

sorry i still talk like a drunk even when abstaining

[gentle gale]

Should i replace second z52 toolbox for Yat-sen umbrella dupe or is the 50 point increase negligible??

[storm heron]

nah i think it's okay though, I'm not admin or mod or anything anyways, just wanna double check

[fiery raptor]

i curse here plenty, the bread only gets mad when i give wrong information as far as i recall

[storm heron]

sure if you don't need the umbrella

[rocky sand]

any tips on farming t2 retrofit stuffs?

[storm heron]

t2 is purple right?

[fiery raptor]

is that the purple stuff?

[rocky sand]

yep

[storm heron]

pretty sure you can upcraft from blue

[fiery raptor]

just merge the blue ones and check guild shop

[rocky sand]

yea but i need 6 of them

[storm heron]

else guild shop if you're lucky, I wouldn't recommend from medal shop since they are expensive

[rocky sand]

is it possible to farm in stages?

[storm heron]

assuming you know that they drop from hard mode

[storm heron]

yes in hard mode

[barren tapir]

~cheshire, give or take. between chesh and little chesh iirc

[fiery raptor]

do they drop in opsi? like from cats?

[rocky sand]

noted

[storm heron]

i don't think so...

[late flame]

wolf pack u37/u81/u96

[zenith heron]

this one @storm heron

[low lintel]

Any clue which UR i should use my points on to get UR bulins? I have enough for 4 + the one from the event

[storm heron]

godamnit

[crimson glacier]

id probably get musashi

unless you dont care about campaign

[zenith heron]

well I have too much staags, so they still stay on my Uni and Indep, but will take note of Torva's suggestion

[low lintel]

I'm at 13-2 so not really caring much about campaign. But sure i'll drop my ur for her

[crimson glacier]

for opsi i guess carriers like amagi would be better for the bosses

but nothing comes close to musashi in bruteforcing through campaign

and she is good at opsi anyway

[fiery raptor]

3 starring w15 lethal levels of brute force

[storm heron]

debatable, but most people prefer staag

[low lintel]

I see, i'll work on Amagi first before i do Mushashi. Focusing more on opsi rn

[wet badge]

what does that one blue pr7 russian plane do (not the rainbow one)

[wind hazel]

i would do alsace>amagi

[low lintel]

For opsi or?

[wind hazel]

both

[crimson glacier]

alsace is like musashi, just good everywhere

and she only needs 2 bulins so its cheap

[wind hazel]

going for musashi when she's 0lb vs 2lb alsace is uh...

[low lintel]

Makes sense

[wet badge]

what does the mode change mean

[boreal wagon]

that it is converging unlike the white one

[tough shuttle]

Guys I finally got another legendary air carrier, Intrepid. Is she better than Archer or another garbo pull

I have deez

[storm heron]

Not the ranger part, intrepid more useful

[fiery raptor]

fritz is used as w15 support but is rated S vs boss? is w15 boss fight double fighter or fighter/tb or fighter/db?

[wet badge]

oo

[storm heron]

cause ranger is very inconsistent

[tough shuttle]

Yeah but I need 3 backline ships. I use Pensylvania, Unicorn and Ranger (she does literally 0 dmg idk why)

[storm heron]

idk about ranger being low cost enty, definitely haven't heard that before

[wind hazel]

did you give her any plane at all

[tough shuttle]

Okay but do I run Runger or Interpid. Even Graff without iron blood planes had better performance

[storm heron]

Chat is ranger actually low cost enterprise? no right?

[tough shuttle]

Yeah all my main ones

[shell willow]

if you get lucky

[fiery raptor]

i think rnger is rnger, you play her because you want giggle at plane flood instead of any real reliability

[storm heron]

fuel filter bad, tenzan kinda bad, btd 1 bad

[tough shuttle]

I dont have other gear. Literally.

[fiery raptor]

open your gold boxes

[wind hazel]

it's most likely because she's whiffing her torpedo, that's why you find her dealing no damage

[storm heron]

ranger has like 2 torp bomber

[tough shuttle]

I did got leg and purple ship crane, cant even equip that on any of my ships

[storm heron]

I think ranger hasn't launched yet that's why?

[wind hazel]

well yes but generally you won't be using ranger entirely anyway

she's just there as a transitional ship until you get someone better

[tough shuttle]

Ok so to the point - do I run Ranger, Graf, or Interpid now

[wind hazel]

just stick with ranger

[storm heron]

1 vote for graf, due to IB tech

[elfin hollow]

Fam what's the best tip for starting over? I'm making a JP account and want to get the most efficient way of managing cubes.

100% F2P tho

[storm heron]

Best tip is to follow a plan

[fiery raptor]

light daily and prioritize UR. let UR selector build naturally and gacha for event UR

[wind hazel]

pull UR event, 1 Light daily outside of event, that's it

[storm heron]

yeah zepy no tech

[tough shuttle]

? Why

[storm heron]

smol ship, non-canon

[wind hazel]

zeppy is not Graf Zeppelin

[tough shuttle]

So she doesnt count for progress on FdG?

[elfin hollow]

Current event was a lesson learned for me XD

Steamrolled previous event. Also how early would Yostar announce the next event?

[crimson glacier]

her exp counts for the combat data

[fast steppe]

btw when "aiming" planes in the aa circle does it just follow where the circle is exactly

[wind hazel]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Zeppy
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Graf_Zeppelin
different ship, which you don't have anyway so it's irrelevant

[crimson glacier]

you cant aim planes so i have no idea what you mean

[tough shuttle]

😕

[fast steppe]

making sure they're in range of aa fire

[fiery raptor]

i think he means tracing parking your aa bois at the enemy path

[storm heron]

smol/muse ships: fleet tech no, faction tech no, faction exp yes
meta ships: fleet tech yes, faction tech no, faction exp no

[crimson glacier]

AA shoots at every plane thats in the circle when the guns are reloaded

[tough shuttle]

And what is a "small ship"?

[crimson glacier]

the circle is just around your vanguard

[fiery raptor]

just keep enemy planes in the circle and they die

[fast steppe]

aight so no height related things

[wind hazel]

@tough shuttle

stop confusing him lol. what even is the point mentioning zeppy

[rotund creek]

younger version of other characters

[fiery raptor]

nope, but you can make your aa circle bigger so you can auto relatively safely, a lot of the high dps aa guns have a small kill radius

i only really had to manually place aa is when i was doing 0 ammo 3 star runs in w15

[storm heron]

I don't think I'm confusing him, small ships is a generalization

[crimson glacier]

was it even you who brought zeppy up

[storm heron]

I don't know if there's a way to see if a ship is "small ship" or not in game though, safest way if you are suspicious just see the wiki and make sure

[crimson glacier]

he is saying that it was a mistake to ever mention her

[storm heron]

I am confused

well whatever doens't matter as long u understand

[tough shuttle]

Okay so can I cook something with this or am I stuck with this setup for now? I am day 3, 50 event builds in got 3 leg 4 epic ships.

I kinda cant enter 6-1 (too low lvl allegedly) and event is too hard past B1

[storm heron]

okay who recommend ranger

[wind hazel]

i did, few days ago

[rotund creek]

go with unicorn it a must

[tropic tusk]

click the paw

[tough shuttle]

I did just says some stuff, dunno what to do with them

[brazen oracle]

So I've just finished maxing Kearsarge with blueprints

Does she not have the Fate Simulation thing?

[storm heron]

imo you can definitely get away with Graf Zep with that many SR bulins, but since mori helped you, I'll trust him

[tough shuttle]

Oh and my gear storage

[rotund creek]

you a get a free ship if you complete it

[tropic tusk]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Akashi/Questline

[crimson glacier]

id rather save the bulins for good ship

[tropic tusk]

u wont use her anytime soon, nor never . but its a free ship

[fiery raptor]

z52 is double blade aug yes?

[storm heron]

-1 dock for akashi doesn't sound good

[tough shuttle]

I dont have slots, idk what to do with blue and purple copies b4 I can LB them

[storm heron]

yeah for fp

[rotund creek]

maybe make a thread if you want opinions

[tropic tusk]

just fyi dont throw them as they are use to lb ships

[tough shuttle]

Pls help Shadow be good thx

[storm heron]

:amagibed:

[raven canyon]

wonder if i should research hakuryuu

[tropic tusk]

yes

[raven canyon]

sweet

[novel solstice]

Haku is awesome.

[slim dawn]

i saw a vid where rumey got low dmg on a boss fight why is that

[atomic abyss]

could be a million reasons

[upbeat wagon]

enemies tend to shoot your ships

[atomic abyss]

could be not mlb, could be poor gear

[soft raft]

also no one has her skills fully maxed out yet

[slim dawn]

wait ill link the vid here

[obsidian ivy]

There's gonna be one more stronghold spawn for this month yea?

[atomic abyss]

yep

[gilded carbon]

Is the Z-Vanguard back with the new z-UR?

[slim dawn]

the barrge lvl is lvl 8

[south sequoia]

Quyet Nguyen

okay it makes more sense now.

[atomic abyss]

quyet doesnt make reliable videos

[south sequoia]

What armor is this arbiter?

[slim dawn]

i think z52 works in every fleet

[soft raft]

this month? Heavy

[slim dawn]

heavy

[south sequoia]

See

even more unreliable

[atomic abyss]

99% sure it's poorly geared, the fleet is buffing BBs

[slim dawn]

why?

[atomic abyss]

rumey is meant for med/light

[slim dawn]

oh ok

[atomic abyss]

no
you use her outside z fleets

[gilded carbon]

Probably. But then, i suppose the Buff that Z1 gives is too little compared to other Options

[slim dawn]

this is the gears , so what CL guns do you guys recommend on using on her

[atomic abyss]

we recommend you dont use CL guns when fighting bosses if you lack plygun

[south sequoia]

To list a few

• Rumey is fighter dedicated, there is no fighter yet catered towards single enemy heavy
• Fleet is dedicated to only buffing bbs and supporting everyone but rumey
• Skill levels are unenhanced

[slim dawn]

just AA?

[atomic abyss]

staag to be exact

[slim dawn]

ohh ok ok thanks for insights

[boreal wagon]

id also like to point out that 8/8/1 skills means this speaks for nothing at all anyway

[tepid frigate]

Is it worth it buying z52 copy?

[slim dawn]

but if im using rumey on mob fleet i can just use flap jacks and cl gunS?

[south sequoia]

Given how everything is pretty much against rumey, her damage is still pretty impressive in that context, but of course I wont expect much from quyet lol

[atomic abyss]

Yes very worth

[slim dawn]

i want to use her with odin and rupprecht lmao

[gaunt oracle]

is z52 good

[soft raft]

very pog