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[spare mango]

What's the best main gun for sandykai?

[storm heron]

twin 100 kai

[sharp socket]

twin 138.6 else twin 100 kai

[storm heron]

but but ectl say twin 100 kai bettuh

[spare mango]

I know the 100 kai but what's this?

[storm heron]

the mogador gun

[barren tapir]

well there is only 1 twin138 currently

[spare mango]

Ah morg gun

[barren tapir]

is this true

[spare mango]

What about Shimanto gun?

[barren tapir]

i mean she has 9 planes, debuff, selfbuff, 2 barrages...

[storm heron]

well we have amagi comp almost dealing the same to light against kear yk2

[barren tapir]

well that's comp vs comp the way it was worded implied solo other UR beats yk2

[spare mango]

So yk2 got powercreeped now?
Why i just realized this

[barren tapir]

idk is yk2 really mid

[storm heron]

I am honestly waiting to get corrected

but he just drop the no and go missing

I mean yk2 is definitely mid against heavy comp for sure

[barren tapir]

why would you use her vs heavy

[storm heron]

against light or med, can she compete without kearsarge

[bold cove]

Well, i will pull her, but yk2 have to pair with another ships, she gonna be low priority to mlb

[spare mango]

Well yk2 is best vs light why vs heavy

[storm heron]

let's analyze whether sy nakh will let them win

[barren tapir]

anyway im looking at REGAL again and it seems kear is ofc her best pairing but she still performs very well with enty

[spare mango]

Regal?

[barren tapir]

and she is a good campaign boss cv alone

[storm heron]

don't get me wrong, she is definitely top campaign cv

[barren tapir]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=1370253760#gid=1370253760

[storm heron]

about bossing though I said that she is mid without kearsarge, but could be wrong

[barren tapir]

she might very well be, but how about yk2 + enty pair

[spare mango]

I just know this is exist

[storm heron]

maybe mid is not a good word since she is still S after all?

good fits her more?

[barren tapir]

words like 'mid' and 'good' and 'great' are hard

to quote several people.

you first have to define the criteria for those

idk personally if im not told she is powercrept like the perm URs atm i will just go by UR = strong and call it there

[barren tapir]

is shangrila any good, i dont see a ranking for her w/ yk2, only solo

[storm heron]

yeah I guess my bad then, "mid" is definitely not the correct word

but then how is this no

[barren tapir]

well here's amagi by herself for comparison

it seems to me that yk2 needs enty to compete with other UR cv, not necessarily kear (but the kear combo is great)

or well, they do different things also

so yk2 could be on the level of UR cvs even on her own but not necessarily in a pure bossing context like arby/meta

[storm heron]

I mean for light amagi has more synergies with the last carrier than no-kearsarge yorktown with the last carrier

[barren tapir]

if you "add" the scores, amagi has 4 S, 3 A, 1 C, and yk2 has 3 S, 3 A, 1 B, 1 C. fairly close, tho obviously some content matters more to others, this is just a rough thing that definitely shows yk2 doesnt appear particularly weaker

[storm heron]

unless for some reason shang rila ytII enterprise is a thing

[barren tapir]

er...maybe as poverty fleet

since kear takes time and isnt a priority (pr6 is recommended last)

i think i actually have shangrila so uhhh could test that myself next month

yep i do...so ig my antilight fleet is gonna be yk2 enty shang

[storm heron]

I would be surprised if you can one shot light harby with kearsarge shangrila enty

[barren tapir]

i doubt it but im sure it will help me yknow...actually kill it

assuming i bother, since i dont really care about shangrila and bulins are slow

[storm heron]

yeay nntktt finally

so how good is ytII?

[barren tapir]

but ig the point is yk2 enty alone is a strong combo.

could maybe even just chuck in rumey for more anti light/med. it should work ok

[whole crypt]

the fact that none of this is actually seriously relevant in the current endgame because you're just measuring how much you overkill by

Yorktown II in what context

[stiff bison]

When are they releasing the other skins like the bunny ones

[storm heron]

cause light harby is one shottable using 3 UR BBs ig

[barren tapir]

actually i really doubt that this cant oneshot when the kear comp kills in 21 seconds.

[boreal wagon]

next week on thurs

[barren tapir]

wait wtf is kearsarge shangrila enty

it was yk2 kear enty vs yk2 enty shang

[whole crypt]

in essence all harbs can be cleared with 3 rainbows what's your point

[bold cove]

Yk2 not good for mid game account then

[zinc prairie]

: D

[barren tapir]

wtf is "not good"? all UR cv is good

[bold cove]

But some stand alone better

[whole crypt]

I'm not a fan of Enterprise to start with, and Shangri-La is just a not-so-RNG version if it's anti-light

[barren tapir]

what non-UR cv would you use instead of yk2

[whole crypt]

hint: I don't use any non-UR CV in OS boss

[barren tapir]

but if she is not good then there needs to be a non-UR that replaces her

because mid game accounts dont have all the URs

[whole crypt]

I didn't say Yorktown II isn't good did I

[barren tapir]

oh well that wasnt at you, the other person rather

[whole crypt]

if you want to replace Yorktown II because you don't have her the answer is you can't in her key comps

[barren tapir]

if yk2 isnt good to use then surely there needs to be a non-UR cv you can use in her place that's better for the same purpose

[whole crypt]

Yorktown II likes to be in anti-light with Kearsarge because of skill synergy

[barren tapir]

otherwise it's wrong and yk2 is good to use

since i assume the argument here is she isnt worth pulling or isnt worth the bulins...okay so then what do you use in her place?

[storm heron]

what about if I want to replace kear in keycomp, can I still play ytII?

[whole crypt]

if you want to replace Yorktown II with a SR carrier the answer is there's no SR carrier that'll replace her even if you don't use with Kearsarge

[bold cove]

She worth to pulling, UR ofc, but worth the bulins to mlb first?

[whole crypt]

whether she's worth to go first depends on what URs you have and who the competition is

[barren tapir]

well my point is, and is supported now by others - there is no gold dps cv better than a UR cv. ergo, she is always worth to use unless you have multiple other UR cvs

[whole crypt]

like I'll 100% LB Yorktown II over UvH even if I don't have other UR BBs

[bold cove]

I dont have kear, and she will be in my dock in very long time after pr7

[barren tapir]

if my 4 cv options are amagi, shinano, rumey, and yk2

can you really say yk2 wouldnt be worth it for anti light/med bossing

[bold cove]

Yeah, im only have amagi, and soon shinano

[storm heron]

who's the direct competition for the bulins? z52 and prumey?

[whole crypt]

Yorktown II is still great without Kearsarge, your question of priority should be based on whether you can build a better any fleet prioritizing a different UR to LB over her

[bold cove]

Shinano, Rumey

[barren tapir]

well i think u can argue yk2 is lower prio than shinano due to amagi synergy. but after that?

rumey is up for debate, current consensus i heard from the old people here is ↔️

[bold cove]

And yup Z52 still there alone

[storm heron]

rumey is another ykII situation probably

[whole crypt]

if you have Amagi CV then Shinano is a nice pair, but I'm not 100% sure I'll try to LB her with bulins over waiting for dupes, depends on how urgent you need that boss fleet

[barren tapir]

z52 isnt here in a convo about UR cv priority

[sharp socket]

ok im back
so what i was looking for in yk2 was if it was worth building her and fritz for anti light for meta fight/harbiter over just using BBs, in my case soyuz alsace vanny

[whole crypt]

I'll rate Rumey much lower for now with weird loadout and no clear comp compatibility before you have a good roster

[bold cove]

Nvm i can mlb 2 ur right now, but still wait for yk2

[barren tapir]

dupes can take upwards of 1 year considering just how bleedin often we get UR event/reruns an are told to never pull on non-UR events

[storm heron]

soyuz alsace vanny is enough to one shot harby, cheaper as well

[barren tapir]

5 shinanos does take a VERY long time from purely exchange that's 2000 cubes spent in non-UR events

[storm heron]

meta fight though

[bold cove]

Dont think about it, mostly impossible

[whole crypt]

it doesn't need to be all dupes, you can prioritize bulins later too after the 2nd or 3rd or something

[barren tapir]

and it is only exchange, because non-UR event pools lack URs and light pool lacks URs also

[whole crypt]

this is literally all conditional

[barren tapir]

idk i feel like, and have been told by 🧓 that having a complete synergy boss fleet is probably better than 2 halfassed ones

amagi and rumey don't exactly have anything together

[sharp socket]

im not worried about cheaper, i just want to know if yk2 and others can be better than BBs without kear

[storm heron]

good question

[upbeat wagon]

Is fritz worth pulling, how strong is she

[barren tapir]

[whole crypt]

it is, and if you're already going into seriously tackling OS then yes I would recommend bulins on Shinano first

[bold cove]

She is new UR, so worth

[storm heron]

I wanna know that too, if yk2 without kear can beat 3 UR BBs
Kear: Will you lose?
Yorktown2: ???

[barren tapir]

maybe i should ignore all this and just follow the waifu order

it would be seriously less complicated

[whole crypt]

go back in time start game earlier ez

which 3 UR BBs against what

[barren tapir]

harby, apparently. light?

[sharp socket]

light harbiter and light metas

[whole crypt]

METAs are different story there's also gimmick to consider

[barren tapir]

well the main thing is harby i guess...cos everything else is fine and im close to 2 fleet meta (and i use support anyway...)

i had 1 more meta today, so we'll see how sirius compares to momo. my thought is she'll be worse in mixed fleet tho anyway

[zinc prairie]

i don't have Soyuz so who should i use instead?(for a BB boss fleet)

[storm heron]

vanguard

[whole crypt]

BisZwei/Alsace/VG should be good

[storm heron]

or musashi if you are planning to campaign

[upbeat wagon]

Should i spend event currency on UR vouchers?

[whole crypt]

if you want Z52 earlier sure

[boreal wagon]

or if you want both copies cuz then u have to anyway

[barren tapir]

...as expected

[zinc prairie]

is it a waste to get the 2nd copy of z52?

[whole crypt]

if you have enough bulins then yes

[barren tapir]

sirius rdmg apparently 75-100k less for this backline than momo

[storm heron]

rdmg?

[barren tapir]

team contribution total damage

or well "raid contributing damage"

[storm heron]

tctdmg

[barren tapir]

the effective difference between sirius and momo is around 100k, despite sirius's support

[storm heron]

maybe cause ruppy, but then ruppy deals more damage than amagicv so cant say

[barren tapir]

now tbf sirius 2nd skill isnt maxed and she is lvl120 so her personal dps is lower...but it's so low i dont think it matters currently

those 2 things arent gonna close a 100k gap

[zinc prairie]

just use both momo and sirius jk

[storm heron]

guess amagi really need that ijn torpies

[barren tapir]

then i would lose nana's 115-130k contribution

[storm heron]

not a waste at all for like 99% of people, definitely consider that if you have time

[zinc prairie]

I just use Implac with haku/shinano with Hele, momo, sirius

[storm heron]

how can you guys got so high anyways

[barren tapir]

i figure what im currently using is the best i have until i get shinano and avp and later impla from rerun

[barren tapir]

it had low hp to begin with obviously

[hallow mountain]

is this any good?

[whole crypt]

at the end of the day it's planning your event point economy

[barren tapir]

for bomb fighters the minimum you look for is 2x500lb, those are a good baseline and the good fighters are 2x1000lb

[hallow mountain]

NOOOO

i was happy to get a gold plane for once

[whole crypt]

it takes quite a bit to buy the second copy's worth of vouchers even if you included all voucher sources by end of event

[barren tapir]

[storm heron]

me when crafting my first beehive

[barren tapir]

yeah very true its like 23k? ish. if you dont miss any free vouchers. extra points needed

thats quite a few extra points

[storm heron]

I think second copy is 145 tickets

so yeah around 22.4k ish

[whole crypt]

I personally often do 80-100k for UR events so it's not really a thing

[dreamy blade]

If i already got fdg do I still want to grab tirpitz from the guild shop

[whole crypt]

but it's not something I'd recommend

[boreal wagon]

the second copy costs you 155 vouchers (bc u have 145 left over and u need 300)

[barren tapir]

unless its back to back event i start events on high oil and end events on 0 oil so i am usually good to go

[bold cove]

Does UR gear box give UR gear?

[vale spindle]

no

[barren tapir]

no, guaranteed gold gear

[whole crypt]

rainbow box just 100% gold

[vale spindle]

it just 100% guarantees gold gear instead of 10% like a gold box

[whole crypt]

blame scamcat

[bold cove]

sad

[whole crypt]

but we all know gold boxes are just purple boxes with gold paint

[barren tapir]

gold gear is just purple gear with gold paint

[boreal wagon]

u mean the one that drops when u use shiras aug?

[dreamy blade]

im assuming no since she doesn't have good 120 tech either right

[barren tapir]

+2 fp, sure why not if you dont need anyone else more. bb medal is largely collection/tech aside from hood iirc

[vale spindle]

shes bb fp so alright tech

[dreamy blade]

Oh she has fp tech?

[vale spindle]

yes
i save kms main fleet for when theres kms main fleet pr ship though

[whole crypt]

I'm actually tempted to use Shiranui for a bit just to get the box for fun

[barren tapir]

better to get a ship than not get one, assuming you arent skipping out on anything important for it

[boreal wagon]

does sam not know about the special tech box

[vale spindle]

i do but i didn't know it was rainbow

[boreal wagon]

it isnt

i was responding to nnts joke about purple being gold painted

[vale spindle]

oh i didn't see context

[dreamy blade]

I might just grab prince of Wales instead bc I need 200 hms tech for ply

[orchid patio]

Is this good?

[vale spindle]

her tech is also good

[barren tapir]

yeah that's fine, +1 fp and ply is good

[dreamy blade]

A direct downgrade to the purple helldiver

[atomic abyss]

It's shit, stick to purple Helldivers

[orchid patio]

Ok 😉

[storm heron]

mog needs to sync with first airstrike on maihou it seems

[dreamy blade]

For gold planes from tech boxes you're looking for barracudas mainly (and seafangs?)

[atomic abyss]

Hellcats and barracudas mainly

[barren tapir]

seafang isnt bad but hellcat has better aa and upgrades into flapjack so its just a transitional gold fighter, nothing special

[atomic abyss]

Hellcat doesn't upgrade to flapjacks

[storm heron]

how is it buckypridezoom, flapjack isn't rainbow

[barren tapir]

wait doesnt it?

[atomic abyss]

Hellcat upgrade to tigercat/bearcat

[bold cove]

No

[atomic abyss]

Purple f4u Corsair upgrades to flapjacks

[barren tapir]

wait then what's flapjack

[whole crypt]

🥞

[storm heron]

corsair

[barren tapir]

oh purple truly better than gold

[atomic abyss]

Ye olde Corsair

[dreamy blade]

I dont think I ever opened a hellcat but had many corsairs

[whole crypt]

the only main problem with crafting panflaps is it costs you ordreps

[bold cove]

I need only 3 wyvern before move on to craft other UR gear right?

[barren tapir]

i somehow have like next to 0 corsairs...

[atomic abyss]

I would suggest 2 before considering

But you shdnt need more than 3

[storm heron]

how do I improve

[bold cove]

Hmm i do have 2

[whole crypt]

I assume no Implacable?

[barren tapir]

speaking of flapjacks should i make a second one

[atomic abyss]

Absolutely

[bold cove]

Why not?

[barren tapir]

well these things are rare/slow, not sure how best to spend them so i ask first

[zinc prairie]

make it 4 : D

[dreamy blade]

no corsairs

[storm heron]

well don't

[zinc prairie]

and just spam opsi while in background

[bold cove]

There a guy who have over 7 tiger

[barren tapir]

don't ask

[storm heron]

just safe tm

[dreamy blade]

You're telling the wrong person to spam opsi

[barren tapir]

what

[storm heron]

just safe ™️

[zinc prairie]

no opsi yet?

[dreamy blade]

Too much

[barren tapir]

i dont think i need it per se im not pushing campaign anytime soon

[atomic abyss]

The only reason I have no issue with corsairs is thanks to my old 3-4 farming

[storm heron]

got it, 3-4

[atomic abyss]

3-4 more worth for toolboxes than foxes anyways

[barren tapir]

i have 1 flap and then 2 corsairs + 1 from potential blueprints. so i have enough, it's just surprisingly rare for a purple

[storm heron]

I thought 4-2 for uni and toolbox

[atomic abyss]

(don't actually farm 3-4 unless you're getting the foxes for tech)

[barren tapir]

uni is 4-4, toolbox 3-4, 4-2 is twin120 dd gun

[sharp socket]

youd only need 4-5 flapjacks total

[storm heron]

or 5-2 for saratoga

[bold cove]

Did the old event gave out alot of toolbox, like to love ru collab or ur event right now?

[barren tapir]

sara is 4-1

[atomic abyss]

There were some

[storm heron]

I'm off by some numbers, kashira

[barren tapir]

every event ive been in since i started has had copious amounts of toolboxes, it's been great

[atomic abyss]

Old events did have gear worth farming

[barren tapir]

now we just need rudder event PLZ ty

[bold cove]

Yeah, alot

[barren tapir]

i have so many toolbox bps at this point

[atomic abyss]

Like Ryuuseis, catapults, rudders, baguette gun when it was the best DD gun

[whole crypt]

this is my sub acc so I'd say that's looking more or less fine

[coarse heron]

That was NJ event it’s in War Archives

[atomic abyss]

Oh, and quad mag

[bold cove]

Which event give the UR cooking table for BB?

[atomic abyss]

Quad mag being farmable on the 2nd highest map for DC and not the highest

[storm heron]

my double oxytorp kaza died with that not-eld setup, + I am lacking the last 2 rld so all of the torp whiffs at the first airstrike

[barren tapir]

+42 crafted

[whole crypt]

was it before the last airstrike

[barren tapir]

at this rate i can equip all dds in the game sooner or later

[whole crypt]

then keep one durability on it I guess

[dreamy blade]

vanguard

[barren tapir]

Need new one it would be nice.

[whole crypt]

do you have goldburn

[storm heron]

maybe it's time to build tashkent

[storm heron]

nah I odn't have no goldburns

[bold cove]

Kinda wait so long for that event to rerun 😦

[whole crypt]

Tashkent only somewhat helps if you have Nakhimov, I can't say by how much either

[storm heron]

yeah I have nakh level 124 I think

[whole crypt]

but overall if you're getting 75s but not pushing close enough to oneshots I'd just call it a day

[storm heron]

I think I'll try getting soryuuM to 120 then retry with 4 strike instead of 3

33% damage increase compared to like -10% alpha

[whole crypt]

also did you bring enough AA

[storm heron]

I mean what AA, like 3 staags?

[whole crypt]

no 3 damage/DPS guns

[storm heron]

eld team definitely keep their AA since eld have the ur twin57

oh 3 dps AAs...

[whole crypt]

well did you lose concealment

[storm heron]

yeah I do

[rapid grail]

just use helena 🧠

[storm heron]

welp 10 acc is not much compared to the concealment buf

[whole crypt]

bring better AA guns and keep concealment, it'll add more than what STAAGs and FP will add

[atomic abyss]

This

[stoic badge]

I am trying to time Nakhimov with Yorktown 2 for anti-light. Is it better to use a Saiun on Nakhimov or Vit-2 + Beacon?

[storm heron]

At this point I just don't want to accept the fact that this is a meta I can't one shot

[rapid grail]

git gud

[atomic abyss]

Whichever gets your syncs closer

Or whichever is +13

[whole crypt]

even our current top candidates are not 100% consistent anyway

[stoic badge]

Both work perfectly well and are +13. I guess the damage difference is negligible?

[atomic abyss]

well saiuns are weaker but vit-2 forces you to drop gold cata for beacon

[zinc prairie]

how to sync bb in order like Vanny > Biscuit2 > Alsace?

[rapid grail]

give vanny and alsace biszwei the flandre gun, biszwei alsace the champy gun
pr6 gives you flandre gun, it's the gun used on flandre. sacrifices a bit of dmg for a bit faster salvos compared to champy gun

[zinc prairie]

flandre gun?

[storm heron]

I just found out that 0 bb rld means bb like soyuz can't get 4 salvos with champagne

[rapid grail]

oh, this also works since vanguard has a RLD buff, @ 10 BB RLD

[sharp socket]

vet discovers 4 salvo is unachievable for new player

vanny however can just 4 salvo with a little tech and champy gun

[dawn ledge]

i still havent got fritz, i did like 54 pulls

[sharp socket]

well she gets her barrage and one set of shells out

[atomic abyss]

vanny with max BB rld

[coarse heron]

Only 54 bro?

[storm heron]

it is achievable with autoloader for soyuz

[atomic abyss]

you're not getting off 4 full champy rounds without fcr

[dawn ledge]

i spent a lot on to love ru collab

[storm heron]

autoloader hsfcr soyuz can 4 champy rounds

[rapid grail]

my alt has had 180 rolls and still no rumey. at least i can rest by the next rerun since i already got everyone there

[atomic abyss]

yes, with autoloader

[sharp socket]

cheeky did a test with this using autoloader hsfcr

[storm heron]

musashi hsfcr shells 460mm barely made all 3 salvos

[sharp socket]

he found that it performs worse on zerotech compared to 457 with double shell

for meta fights

[atomic abyss]

what i use for 0 tech lol

[storm heron]

also level 124 lafii deal more damage than level 120 shimakaze assuming defense items

[rapid grail]

honestly if u're gated by bb rld you're better off believing in 3 +13 457mms

[sharp socket]

that is my setup aswell

[zinc prairie]

where to get?

[atomic abyss]

iris tech boxes

sometimes in merit shop
always in medal shop

[rapid grail]

but atm no need since the cruise mission metas are now perma, so no sweat nowadays 😔

[sharp socket]

i think i actually cooked that setup when i started doing meta fights with 2x 457

[storm heron]

I lost to aurora

[atomic abyss]

i mean, wasnt aurora using helena

[sharp socket]

vanny will fire first all 4 times with zerotech

she does not fire first with 4 rld tech for some reason

[barren tapir]

helena mostly buffing ruppy, only can buff my cvs (fully) on first airstrike at least according to timer, im not 100% sure tbh lol

[dawn ledge]

i just need 44 ur voucher to get z52

[barren tapir]

your enty griefed

[atomic abyss]

95k is really low for enty

that's the number i expect a SR BB to hut

[barren tapir]

also why sanrui on heavy armor that's very am i missing smth

[atomic abyss]

unlucky f

[storm heron]

classic whiff enty

[storm heron]

well either her or changchun

[barren tapir]

both are light bias

[storm heron]

I don't have any others

[barren tapir]

what is this for again didnt u do 1.2m with a regular fleet

[storm heron]

maybe should have used helena

[soft dagger]

anyone have the event stream link?

[barren tapir]

my ruppy is pretty consistently 200k+ thank you very much

[crude fable]

Who should i research next? I was think about prinz in pr2 and kearsarge in pr6 ._.

[barren tapir]

who prinz in pr2

[storm heron]

is there even prinz in pr?

[barren tapir]

uhh ruppy

maybe they meant pr5 ig

[late flame]

isnt rupp in pr5

[sharp socket]

prinz rupprecht yes

[storm heron]

I thought freidrich ruppy for a second

[barren tapir]

freidrich der ruppy

[sharp socket]

did i spell that right

[storm heron]

shimakaze is also insanely unreliable, sometimes laffii with like poverty torp wins against her +13 quad mags

[barren tapir]

classic torp dd

[barren tapir]

but fr what is this fleet intending to do exactly

[storm heron]

simulate a newbie

can't help them if I can't be them

[barren tapir]

a newbie has soyuz musashi shima and laff2?

[crude fable]

I mean friedrich

[storm heron]

ha! friedrich

[barren tapir]

that takes the cake for out of touch boomerism

[crude fable]

My bad

So who should i research next for now?

[storm heron]

focus research probably higher season like pr5 or pr7

but ship development, just pick whoever is easy to do the cdc on

[barren tapir]

good newbie fleet is probably enty ark sara (or someone else idk, indep too fast i think) anchorage helena sirius (maybe)

[storm heron]

I only have 4 catas

[barren tapir]

for like reasonably obtainable permanent ships

[crude fable]

What's cdc?

[storm heron]

the exp grinding

[barren tapir]

huh...same here

[late flame]

combat data collection

[storm heron]

I have 4 washing machine though

[crude fable]

Oh tysm so ship development just do any that ez to grind for me rn?

[barren tapir]

well then uhh ruppy gets coining soon, can we throw ruppy in? so like ruppy enty ark royal, anchorage helena sirius (or maybe roon for damage...?)

or fdg instead of ruppy actually. or just nelson for very newbie

[warm phoenix]

can you somehow control the direction of the stone in the curling minigame or is it just completely random?

[storm heron]

also is there a reason soyuz outdamage musashi against heavy

like 20 samples soyuz 4 salvo champy just win against 3 salvo 460mm musashi

[barren tapir]

how newbie we talking also, cos avp replace ark after a bit of time as well

[late flame]

minigame

1. enter game
2. quit game
3. profit

[sharp socket]

as a newbie doing meta fights i used soyuz hood unicorn

maybe enty also

[barren tapir]

unicorn user i did too until the very end of nagato meta

[sharp socket]

and then i got hit with alsace and upgraded to soyuz alsace hood

[barren tapir]

otherwise they werent surviving

now they do tho!

[sharp socket]

then finally fdg so i had soyuz alsace fdg

[storm heron]

🤝 same

[barren tapir]

bb fleet sadly my current 2 best bbs fight for flag

[sharp socket]

frontline was like anchorage helena laffey until sandy

[barren tapir]

and one of them makes amagi cv off limits which is rather annoying.

[sharp socket]

then gradually upgraded to agir helena sandy

[barren tapir]

current meta vg pressure seems really low, nana is doing just fine

[sharp socket]

finally got ply d30 like 3 weeks ago which completed BB comp, soyuz alsace vanny agir helena ply

[barren tapir]

i dont think she even procs her zombie most of the time

[atomic abyss]

I'm running Unzen with 1 survival as main tank for this boss

Double oxy is a bit risky

[sharp socket]

only took 10 months and one of the starting times of all time

[storm heron]

soyuz always outdamaged musashi

by like 20+%

[whole crypt]

Soyuz doesn't outdamage Musashi if it's heavy, unless it's because Musashi didn't get to finish her round

[atomic abyss]

Well, because Soyuz is getting 4 salvos off

Musashi isn't

[barren tapir]

musashi is using the thicc gun

[storm heron]

eh? but she kinda got 3 salvos though

[barren tapir]

how

[atomic abyss]

3 isn't 4

[barren tapir]

oh 3 salvos, i mean 1 salvo is a big

...i wonder if i can squeeze 4 salvos with autoloader? what's your tech?

[whole crypt]

you can't get 4th salvo in full with 460 and you're definitely not doing it without loader

[atomic abyss]

Musashi with her gun isn't getting 4 off without loader

[barren tapir]

actually nvm soyuz rld 15 over ruppy

[storm heron]

but didn't 3 salvo 460 better than 3.5 salvo 401?

[atomic abyss]

Im assuming you mean 410
And yes
But you can push for 4 complete 410 salvos tho

[whole crypt]

there's also the case of 4 salvo izumugun and daisengun

[storm heron]

oh yea 410

[atomic abyss]

Like this
But swap to daisen or izumo

This is also Vanny admittedly
But daisen gun is faster than champy iirc?

And this is 0 BB rld tho

[kind slate]

How good is event torp?

[atomic abyss]

The best for auto

[south sequoia]

direct upgrade from quad mag torps

[kind slate]

K thnx guys

[storm heron]

no worries though, I only shared result, I won't ask for over optimization on the casual account

[barren tapir]

wait... i think i stumbled upon some cursed theory

if my ruppy can only shoot 3 times anyway...should i be using triple460

[storm heron]

your ruppy can indeed shoot 4 times nvm

even soyuz barely can with AL, what can ruppy even do

[barren tapir]

🙃

it would desync from helena after 1st shoot tho i think which would kinda make helena bad

[storm heron]

no you cannot 3 times with 460 without AL

[barren tapir]

wait its slower than i thought i thought it'd be similar to my cvs

[storm heron]

for AL just do some damage test and compare with double shells champagne +13

I mean you have 0 bb rld right?

[barren tapir]

i have 1 it wont matter

[storm heron]

must be penn

[kind slate]

What’s the mlb priority here?

[sharp socket]

460 = no helena

[barren tapir]

there is also the +10 vs +13 to consider...i dont think +13ing 460 makes sense LOL

[storm heron]

yea might as well use champagne gun

[barren tapir]

yeah no helena, idk how that would end up, since i could use a higher dmg vg or another support like sirius. but helena strong

[wind hazel]

likely z52

[atomic abyss]

I would wait till we evaluate the new URs

[storm heron]

I think for now just waiting would be better

you don't need them mlb anyways

[atomic abyss]

Yk2 rerun coming soon anyways

[barren tapir]

460 would still get helena for the first shot tho actually.

and a decent chunk of her damage comes from her sustained dps which will still benefit

[kind slate]

Ok I still have to farm 30k points anyway so I’ll wait. Thnx guys

[sharp socket]

yes but you miss 2 other chances for helena

even with 457s its 2.5 chances of helena

[storm heron]

just make 457 instead of flapjack

[barren tapir]

not actually sure what her dmg breakdown is like...

[royal copper]

how many pts should u farm in this event

[left nest]

so i have 4 ur bulins, between fritz rumey and amagi CV, who is better to mlb first?

[royal copper]

do u have the fluf cv fleet alr (and haku)?

[bold cove]

Normally 55k

[royal copper]

got it

[left nest]

ye i hv haku w/ double tenrai and shinano and a choice between AvP and enty and... someone else i forgor

[royal copper]

pre sure the best cv boss fleet rn is shinano haku and amagi cv

[barren tapir]

theres no way my math is accurate it assumes 100% hit and 0% crit and some other things for simplicity and still falls short of the actual dmg she does

ghost gun = 56047 (34.86%)
torpedos (6/16 hit) = 15686 (9.76%)
barrage (80% multi, 100% hit for aimed, 50% for bullets) = 22881 (14.23%)
gun = 66167 (41.1%)

total = 160781 over ~77 seconds (38 ghost guns, 7 torps, 2.4 barrages, 3 main guns)

am i at least in the ballpark?

[royal copper]

since fritz jus came out shes still getting optimised so I THINK amagi mlb would be better? don't take my word for it tho

[left nest]

ig i'll wait for the math nerds to sus her out then

[royal copper]

yea

ok my turn who should be mlb target rn

[barren tapir]

assuming im not completely off base and we can say her dmg is about 45% sustained 55% main gun associated, then this would be accurate. any actual pro nerd here?

[left nest]

sushi or NJ imo

[kind slate]

maybe soyuz? shes not mlb and i think shes pretty good

[royal copper]

ye ig i do need her in my ops fleet

[wind hazel]

i'd go for amagi

[royal copper]

for the cv fleet?

[wind hazel]

yes, strongest in heavy in the game

[royal copper]

only if i had more bulins

[strange sphinx]

hmmmm Looks I can't Get Fritz.... oh well gonna save I guess

[royal copper]

then should i spend cubes on trying to get more copies of fritz to reduce strain on bulins

[wind hazel]

no

[south sequoia]

You've got 2 weeks

[wind hazel]

let time fix your bulin shortage

unless you have gazillion cubes

[royal copper]

nah only 500+ rn

how long u think it'll take to mlb all these URs here

[wind hazel]

not that bad, we get around 2.5 a month or something, forgot the exact number

[left nest]

u get a bulin per month right? assuming ur not whaling or anything

[strange sphinx]

Sadge.... Oh well coping for CV fleet

[left nest]

well, 4k points a month for shop redeem

[strange sphinx]

[icy cave]

what are the sources of gold skill books other than events?

[royal copper]

yea i usually hit the limit on the amount of cores I can earn

i jus had a period of time i couldn't play that's why i am short rn

[wind hazel]

🫃🏼 how many is that, i can't tell, my maths very bad

[royal copper]

still pissed i missed the first fire control table

[strange sphinx]

mori, should I mlb The new ur BB instead of Mog?

[wind hazel]

there is no new UR BB

[crisp wraith]

BB? You mean CV?

[south sequoia]

6

[royal copper]

new BB?

[crisp wraith]

I would do Z52 first.

[strange sphinx]

off DD

[south sequoia]

if you count in the ur bulin from the cruise pass its 7 ur bulins in 2 months

[strange sphinx]

I need food rn

[wind hazel]

idk how your dock looks like

[south sequoia]

ah wait no its back to 6, the extra 1 is from the milestone

[royal copper]

got that one alr jus waiting on the cores and the battlepas

[storm heron]

that's a bold thing to say in front of 🍊

[icy cave]

is it only daily shop?

[glossy socket]

guys, is there a augments tier list or something that says how good is an augment for a ship?

[bold cove]

Lev 100 daily raid, combine from purple book

[wind hazel]

need 14 to fully mlb every copy of UR there, i guess more or less half a year, excluding new UR next year

[royal copper]

rightio sounds doable

[strange sphinx]

just the two of them

[wind hazel]

i guess yes, z52

since she'd only use 3 instead of 4

just ask again in about a week for her testing to be safe

[royal copper]

do any of yous got any time to put up with running me through a w15 full clear? ibe been putting that off until recently

[wind hazel]

go consult /w15

[royal copper]

that's a thing?

[wind hazel]

yes, full of stuff there

[strange sphinx]

what are the challenge mission for this Event again? Is it b3 or d3?

[sharp socket]

which of these 2 backline is best for light harbiter

1. soyuz nakhi fritz/yk2
2. fritz yk2 avp/implac
   no there is no kear

[keen sable]

D3

[frozen inlet]

Can i just use my Boss fleet for meta and CM?

[keen sable]

especially if you don't have a choice?

[frozen inlet]

How do i know if i dont?

[strange sphinx]

ahm.... can those lb0 ships can clear if I put Unicorn

[barren tapir]

let's start with what is your boss fleet

[strange sphinx]

[frozen inlet]

Ill create a thread

[royal copper]

found it thanks mate

[frozen inlet]

Fleet help

[vestal glen]

Is this what i think it is?

[storm heron]

nevada

or oklahoma

[vestal glen]

reeeeee

nope its just akagi mu

[atomic abyss]

Yes, it's content that's not appropriate for this channel

[vestal glen]

mb wrong channel

[undone plover]

If I had to guess second one
Although it is probably pretty close

[vestal glen]

huh?

[barren tapir]

(those are 4:00:00)

[storm heron]

oh yea talking about it, my quick finisher to cube ratio is now 1:3 in my casual lil E account

[raven canyon]

do the timers on each pull even mean anything

[torn latch]

Ok???

[storm heron]

is there really no way to obtain mroe

it is just ridiculous at this point

[torn latch]

It matter to what kind of ship you will get, they have their own timer (a lot of them shared same timer though)

[raven canyon]

oh

[barren tapir]

i feared this could happen to me in heavy pulling events, so for a while now ive been letting my daily build run naturally

[kind slate]

how does marrying work? do they get increased stats? i heard some ships have a marriage skin? do i get that?

[bold cove]

every type have it time to build, in event like this if you see long building time, very big chance you catch the big fish

[fair lance]

It's a extra 6% stat increased at 200 affection some ships have oath skins not all but if you oath them you get the skin yes

[kind slate]

ooh nice. where can i see which ships have an oath skin?

[fair lance]

wiki

[storm heron]

wiki skins oath

[barren tapir]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Affinity#Oath_Skins

[kind slate]

there isnt enough oath skins. we need more. MOREE!!!

[storm heron]

I was like "wait that's it?" when I reached the end

[barren tapir]

#game-feedback

we only get a few a year so yeah...

[kind slate]

time to start drawing lmao

[storm heron]

is there an artist application/audition for azur lane?

[kind slate]

i think there is tho im kidding. im shit at drawing lol

[faint cloud]

They add oath skins upon anniversaries

[royal copper]

would volga or perseus be a better healer for mob fleet w15

[storm heron]

secondary healer, volga bettuh

main healer persus better but like just use unicorn at that point

[atomic abyss]

Uni + Volga

[royal copper]

i checked out the w15 google doc, so running ur bb and 2 healer cv like uni retro and volga would be god enough? and alsace for her preload as bb?

[atomic abyss]

Ideally, you're running Musashi for mob

[storm heron]

either you are good enough or not is determine by a lot of things, but sure

[atomic abyss]

But yes

[royal copper]

that can do as well

[atomic abyss]

Musashi is just plain better for mob

[royal copper]

cause of skill?

[storm heron]

like if you have the comp and gear but you gear them poorly then you might as well fail

[atomic abyss]

Yes because of her skill

[royal copper]

i can send build in jus in case

[storm heron]

or make your own personalized w15 thread

[royal copper]

ill do that

w15 help

[raven canyon]

oh musashi's a mob fleet

ive always been using her in my boss fleet

[storm heron]

she's just the best BB for campaign

[soft dagger]

same

[storm heron]

and strongest mobber for all content

[worldly pewter]

u can use musasi in boss fleet when u want to low cost
i think she has one of the best crossfleet skills for mobs

[raven canyon]

is montpelier more suitable for mob or boss fleet?

[storm heron]

8 months abdou spotted

[storm heron]

she can go anywhere I think

[raven canyon]

i see

[steep bobcat]

hi, where can i use the medal? I cant find it on my profile

[royal copper]

go to the medalion place and collect

[raven canyon]

isnt it in the medalion place

[tender lotus]

Go to academy> medal

[steep bobcat]

thanks

found it, can equip it on my profile now ty all

[zenith heron]

Alsace might contest her on the crossfleet part due to Musa's cross fleet having no lightning strike (only sword slash)...

[atomic abyss]

Alsace Soyuz and Sushi have the best

[tender lotus]

It has lightning on crossfleet but only once

[zenith heron]

So I guess the Sword Slash is the most useful part of her crossfleet, if you said its once, like that random Warspoot skill

[whole crypt]

depends on the fights, Musashi is good if the mob fights will have shit past 30s since Alsace only procs once

[tender lotus]

Yeah but idk which warpoot skill you're mentioned

[atomic abyss]

NJ is a good alternative

[tender lotus]

It helped a lot for event like this

[zenith heron]

The extra random shell (Divine Marksman) that she does randomly, comparing to the lightning strike of Musa's crossfleet once per trigger (not the sword slash)

[storm heron]

well in any case soyuz the best nukewise

[soft dagger]

my reason was not low cost but sure

[storm heron]

oh you changed pp what low oil do you do for this event, anything you cooked?

[soft dagger]

im sorry me?

[bold cove]

Just learn the new thing, musashi only for boss fleet this event?

[storm heron]

wait I'm pretty sure you were the one last time with the 10 oil SP5 during tempesta

[soft dagger]

i thought your talking to someone else mb

i do 14 d3 for now

[storm heron]

14? Uni bulin mahans?

[soft dagger]

Uni bulin

[storm heron]

I assume crossfleets are musashi uvh alsace guam shima kron?

[solar canopy]

I need help to complete Tactical Training lvl 100 and this is my ship list (which is often used). can you please make a suitable fleet?

[soft dagger]

#trophy-room message

[storm heron]

gotcha, thanks

[upbeat wagon]

So between admiral hipper meta and Z52, should i exchange UR vouchers to get Z52 or get hipper meta right now

My ships arent strong to do some stages so i cant get max amount of UR vouchers from event

[storm heron]

None of them, just wait

[wind hazel]

do not exchange for hipper until near end of event

[storm heron]

if you can somehow drop hipper meta, you will save a lot

[wind hazel]

unless you totally don't touch b3/d3/sp lol

[storm heron]

oh z52 idk though

pretty sure with SP and clearing bonus you get a lot of UR tickets

time to check the detail

[wind hazel]

can get 175 at least, barring D3 and SP

[white agate]

was there a fleet tech tracker precompiled sheet somewhere in the server?

[upbeat wagon]

I can do C2 max

[wind hazel]

no but you can use either https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/tracker or https://retropaint.github.io/azur-lane-fleet-tech-tracker/

[white agate]

nice, thank you

[wind hazel]

keep doing c2 i guess, and buy them near end of event. i'd prioritize exchanging at least 1 of Z52 before hipper

[tender lotus]

Any good 3bb comp for meta fight?
I have all but my vangy have not maxed yet
I tried to use CVs but my rld tech is not high enough

[upbeat wagon]

Could somebody point out some ships to invest in if i send my dock in a thread

[fair lance]

Someone will help you yeah

[jaunty vault]

sure

[upbeat wagon]

Investment help

[wind hazel]

you can give this a try lol

[spring bolt]

3bb comp has low one shot rate, this one is the best i've seen and the poster claims 20% one shot rate

[upbeat wagon]

#1320385207156609107 message

[zinc turret]

how to unlock kitty 3rd skill ?

[wind hazel]

level her up

[white agate]

use talent points too i think?

[zinc turret]

aight thankyou

[tender lotus]

The gear is crazy💀

[storm heron]

how did they even one shot

[wind hazel]

just crit 4Head

[strange sphinx]

Do I need to do the challenge mission for this Event or just brute force the D3 get the second Z53?

[tough shuttle]

Hello guys. Can someone help me with mechanics? (I played several years ago and started anew). I am currently level 21 and got a META ship from an event, otherwise I have 2 leg and 3 epic ships. Are the META ships best or just a different thing? What is the priority to get from the event shop for me?

[quartz jungle]

Why is Musashi not synced to Soyuz?

[tender lotus]

Is Plymouth as main tank?

[spring bolt]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1AMkNYwENd/
yes ply tank

[zinc prairie]

Is it right to burn my oil from oil storage?

[tender lotus]

For event? Yes

[strange sphinx]

[quartz jungle]

I suppose Unzen is synced with Soyuz?

[zinc turret]

meta is just different version of the ship , not all meta is better than the original

[atomic abyss]

Yes metas have slightly different levelling mechanics

Do consider reading this guide

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[spring bolt]

well there is no helena so sync doesn't really do much...

[tender lotus]

I think daisen gun perform the same as musashi gun in meta fight?

[strange sphinx]

if they make an Aug for Helena that increases the chance of her skill..

[atomic abyss]

Daisen gun will be better if you push for 4 salvos

[quartz jungle]

In this fight it should be better because the barrage targets Taihou rather than with Musashi gun it can target other mobs

[tender lotus]

I forget helena exist

[strange sphinx]

[zinc turret]

yeah like hood's aug that increase her barrage chance

[quartz jungle]

I though Unzen is synced with Soyuz which is why she is carrying that gun no? Otherwise idk why you wouldn't just use Champagne gun

[tender lotus]

As i thought
I regret using sushi gun
Gonna use that tmrw

[atomic abyss]

Probably will need rainbow table and loader tho

[tender lotus]

Autoloader? That old gear?

[strange sphinx]

hmmm for Enterprise, they can Add Level 10 plane barrage

[strange sphinx]

[quartz jungle]

Shouldn't need to use loader

That was for Izumo gun, Musashi with Daisen gun is very close to BisZwei with Champagne gun in timing

[tough shuttle]

@atomic abyss Z52 in the event shop costs some funny currency while the rest costs another currency, is that ship strong? Do I convert the blue balls to UR vouchers?

[atomic abyss]

Those are UR vouchers
You get enough for the first copy from daily missions and other sources

[zinc turret]

that ship is UR rarity ship and most UR ship are stronger than ssr ship

[tough shuttle]

Ah okay, cool. I got to 3-1 and now my 2nd fleet is kinda bad so I need boost xd

Also what are the guild donation "expectations" and what do I want to get from the guild? Only the coins daily or?

[atomic abyss]

You shouldn't need 2 fleets at this point
Follow the newbie guide
Make your 1 fleet and focus exclusively on that till you reach w9

[spring bolt]

daisen gun 4 salvo shelling damage is about 73% of 460 3 salvo shelling so 460 is better here

[tough shuttle]

Ah okay. For clearing all mobs in a zone I need 2nd fleet otherwise 50% dmg debuff is too severe right

[atomic abyss]

No

[atomic abyss]

You can fight thru the debuff with enough levels

[strange sphinx]

Do I need to do the challenge mission or just stick with my farming fleet? I'm LB0 can't survive D3 even with Unicorn

[atomic abyss]

Rather than 2 fleets which you won't be able to invest in

[tough shuttle]

yeah but I dont have the power now, I guess I skip 3*-ing zones?

[atomic abyss]

Focus on the weaker event maps for the time being
With the newbie fleets

[tough shuttle]

Oh and there is an event mission where I have to buy like 20 skins from the event shop and each of those crates costs 7k, are they any good?

[atomic abyss]

...use a full fleet?

[atomic abyss]

No
Gear skins are cosmetics only

[tough shuttle]

Ah okay. So I dont need to sink money there ,pog

[spring bolt]

457 allows double shells for better damage ceiling
it's not my comp so i would need to see why they use the gear, sorry for the slow reply

[opaque gate]

is the Z UR shipfree to MLB? I mean, does she have enough free copies to MLB/bullins for free?

[wind hazel]

no, 1LB for free at most

[atomic abyss]

Lol no
Only 2 copies there

[opaque gate]

how about bullins from event rewards?

[strange sphinx]

Hmmm so imma tank someone while one them is just surviving?

[wind hazel]

you need to fork out 3 UR bulin

[quartz jungle]

Hmm at that point just use Vanguard for increasing damage no?

[atomic abyss]

You only get 1 from 30k milestone tho

So you still need to get 2 more from somewhere

[atomic abyss]

Just sandwich the 0lb ship and carry with other ships

[tender lotus]

1 from cruise

[opaque gate]

i see, cuz i can exchange 1 from proto and get 1 from cruise

[atomic abyss]

There's still Rumey

[opaque gate]

so i can either MLB her, or MLB my UvH(needs 2 bullins). Who should I prioritize?

[strange sphinx]

oh well maybe the boss fleet is better cause it is just some crab

[opaque gate]

i might not get ruffey lol

[atomic abyss]

Save
Definitely not uvh

[atomic abyss]

Why are you even using a 0lb ship????

[spring bolt]

vg rdps is too low iirc, at least lower than musa and alsace

[opaque gate]

Z52 more worth it to MLB? cuz idh UR vanguards

[strange sphinx]

ahm those challenge mission?

I don't have the money and bulin to mlb them

[atomic abyss]

Those have to be present in the boss clear specifically to begin with

I'm not sure why you were entertaining the idea of them being in other fleets
Use stuff like Eldridge to protect them

[tough shuttle]

Is it worth spending most of my gold on building ships earlygame or do I wanna spend it more in shop?

[atomic abyss]

UR event, so all in on build till you get the UR

[tough shuttle]

Ok ty

[atomic abyss]

Maybe, consider that Yorktown 2 is coming back soon tho

[zinc turret]

just carry 1 / 2 (if u strong enough) of the event ship per 1 run , its doesnt even need to survive iirc , just dont use ur bossing fleet for mobing so it wont die before fighting the boss

[atomic abyss]

I would just save the bulins for now

[opaque gate]

is she good? i have amagi/shinano/musashi/hakuryu(ongoing)/FDG

[atomic abyss]

All URs are good save warspite

She has a different role from any of the carriers you have

[strange sphinx]

[opaque gate]

i see

[whole crypt]

contrary to what the mission suggests the event ship just needs to be in the fleet that's used in the boss fight

[opaque gate]

thank u

[whole crypt]

off the top my head my z9 was already dead by the boss fight and I still cleared it

[tender lotus]

Warspite is the worst ur we ever have

[atomic abyss]

Just needs to be in the boss fleet
Doesn't need to survive yes

[strange sphinx]

.... yeah EN moment cause other challenge mission they need to survive

[wind hazel]

does JP mission state they need to be afloat too like EN? or just in the same fleet

[whole crypt]

Warspite isn't a real UR but shrug

[strange sphinx]

[sharp echo]

this skill good to unlock?

[atomic abyss]

You should max out the skills of all ships you use

...save maybe Portland

[opaque gate]

is there a place to try my fleet on? cuz i wanna try syncing AvP, Shinano and Amagi for abyss

[whole crypt]

though to be fair it is true she is the least poorly tweaked UR retrofit

[austere hawk]

do meta ships count toward collection?

[opaque gate]

warspite might have a niche though, like meta fights,, or does she?

[atomic abyss]

No, use an airstrike calculator

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/

[atomic abyss]

No, she's worse than some SR BBs

[opaque gate]

thank u

[tender lotus]

Who's Skills are these?

[atomic abyss]

Helena and Laffey retrofit skills

[wind hazel]

you can test them out at challenge mode too if you want to

[spring bolt]

CN has some weird evaluation about vg when her numbers are out:
if we have a fleet of 3 NJ and real NJ buffing other 2, vg could easily kick one NJ out and stay there, her rdps is still a little better
but.... now we have NJ+, NJ pro and NJ max which are much stronger than NJ

[austere hawk]

thank u

[wind hazel]

to see if the calculator translate

[polar venture]

Is admiral hipper worth MLB?

[whole crypt]

where is NJ mini

[sharp echo]

z23 and helena

[atomic abyss]

Maybe

[novel solstice]

... how do you get more than one NJ in a fleet?

[storm heron]

hacker

[spring bolt]

on paper

[atomic abyss]

NJ+, NJ Pro and NJ Max are just the other better UR BBs

[whole crypt]

he's just joking about newer UR BBs that are stronger

[atomic abyss]

NJ mini is warkai

[tough shuttle]

Is Guilio Cesare META better than Pensylvania for earlygame?

[atomic abyss]

No, worse

[whole crypt]

she's probably better... for like 3 days

[atomic abyss]

None of the meta ships are good early game

[tough shuttle]

And do I only buy one copy of the ships from guild shop that guide mentions or multiple?

[atomic abyss]

Nah nnt, they won't be able to enhance her

[whole crypt]

exactly why only for 3 days

[storm heron]

3 days lol

[atomic abyss]

You can only buy 1 elite at a time so

[tough shuttle]

Yeah but it refreshes

[atomic abyss]

Once

[tender lotus]

Mlb by bulins

[atomic abyss]

Then you have a cooldown

[tough shuttle]

Well I had the other 2 ships

[wind hazel]

just have 1 copy, then use purple bulins to mlb

[tough shuttle]

So question is do I refresh and buy a copy of some or is it not worth the guild coins

[rapid grail]

refresh to buy another bote

[tender lotus]

Why you want to buy more? To collect them?

[tough shuttle]

No to LB

[tender lotus]

In AL we just have 1 copy then use the copy to limit break
But mostly we use bulins

[tough shuttle]

Yeah

[keen pewter]

but why would you, just use purple bulins

[tough shuttle]

Thats why I am asking man

[tender lotus]

Just use bulin

[opaque gate]

for AvP Shinano Amagi, who should be flagship? is it shinano?

[spring bolt]

usually, yes
doesn't matter much as long as amagi is not flag

[opaque gate]

thabk u

[tender lotus]

Get bulin from merit shop or medal shop

[keen pewter]

you can refresh shop to buy a new ship if you want ig

[tough shuttle]

So no buy, just bully(n) ok. What is a good frontline setup from these: Z23, Northhampton, Duisburg, Indianapolis, Portland, Fortune, Shropshire, Helena, Kent, Suffolk

[wind hazel]

portland helena z23 will do the job

unless you got like 5 duisburg copies

[tough shuttle]

Hmmmh. Duisburg birds seem really strong

[strange sphinx]

[vapid grotto]

Just asking generally am i ok units wise? Im on 6.2. And im commander lvl 45

[wind hazel]

yeah but she will eat gold bulin, and you won't get many gold bulin

[zinc turret]

retro uni and u will be ok

[raven canyon]

should i research Hakuryuu?

[vapid grotto]

I also got ur bulin ,can i start using new jersey if i lb her once?

[tough shuttle]

Wait you use purple bullins to LB blue ships??? Do I use them on Unicorn or Portland?

[wind hazel]

save the bulin, don't 1LB UR ship

[zinc turret]

never lb ship halfassly , wait till u have enough ur bulin to mlb and see which ur is the best to lb

[vapid grotto]

Oh alright

[wind hazel]

purple for rare or elite, yes

and i dont think you'll have issue limit breaking them both at the same time

unless? 😳

[spring bolt]

and don't waste bulin on perma ship imo... do event banner and see if you can get fritz
also z52 is basically free in shop as long as you can clear d3... if you can't, farm event and exchange some ur voucher to get at least one copy

[strange sphinx]

[whole crypt]

depends on current dock and goals, shinano is still fair game to spend bulins on if you are newish and have Amagi CV ready to make a CV fleet for OS

[soft raft]

Would it be reasonable to replace Shimanto FS5 with Z52 in a Musashi/Healquila/UniKai Guam/Shimanto/Laffey II for W15 mob

Esp if my mob will be handling the 1st and 3rd boss

[spring bolt]

i wanted to say replace guam with z52 but i use mob to handle 1st and 2nd boss

[opaque gate]

helena bad in this case?

[rapid grail]

laffey is more probable, keep shimanto to counter any burn

[spring bolt]

why? boss skill doesn't really affect helena debuff, and you can just use sg on helena to avoid it

[opaque gate]

cuz of the every 20secs that will synch with my airstrikes, but yee i used sg and airstriked on the second one

[spring bolt]

i mean, you said it yourself... you should work on your backline timing first or they are all bad, then you worry about helena
and it's not hp shield, just no crit, your damage will not be impacted much

[whole crypt]

it's just crit reduction, just smash her through it

the one you need to be careful with is %HP shield per 20s

[indigo ore]

How to make gem commissions appear? I need 7 more gems for 10 docks slot :((

[whole crypt]

you just keep doing stages and pray or you 💳

even if you managed to spawn gem comms you're not guaranteed gem drops anyway

[spring bolt]

c1

[vagrant harness]

what team to use for EX stage? i tried bis2 amagicv shinano, guam, plymouth, agir and vg still die lol

[whole crypt]

norm or hard

[elfin hollow]

@spring bolt is flapjack and tenrai good loudout for rumey for heavy/mid armor?

[whole crypt]

assuming you mean for bossing then heavy wants La-9/convTB, medium just wants more rockets

[elfin hollow]

ffs gearing CVs is so confusing

[spring bolt]

and tbh fritz is not top choice for heavy boss

[elfin hollow]

I don't like LA because it doesn't have interception

[spring bolt]

why do you care about interception in boss fight?

[elfin hollow]

who said anything about a boss fight?

[viscid swift]

hardly

[viscid swift]

why else would you specify armor type

[elfin hollow]

alright I'll save that, thank you

[whole crypt]

armour type is basically not relevant for mobbing

you just bomb the shit out of it, and if it needs interception you bring fighters

[spring bolt]

specifying armor type for mob isn't a thing...

due to mob enemies low hp, tenrai is almost always superior due to wider strike range

[soft raft]

not counting today, we've had 3 daily resets so far for the event right
trying to calculate how many vouchers I'd need to buy after getting all the free ones

[boreal wagon]

yes

technically 2 resets if you dont count today, but 3 days of missions

[soft raft]

ight

[whole crypt]

yeh I'm pretty sure the biggest pain in the ass this event is the "sub" drill-looking suicide boats

[undone plover]

U need to buy 155 if u didnt miss anything and want second copy

[whole crypt]

managed to lose Unicorn in SP

[spring bolt]

how is the oil cost?

[whole crypt]

eh, it's just Unicorn/Laffey II for SP mob fleet

on my sub account

[spring bolt]

oh sorry i thought you meant getting rid of uni in sp mob for low cost

[quartz jungle]

Tbf Laffey II has a zombie shield and heal (via airstrike launches) you could probably do it

[whole crypt]

well replacing Unicorn with a cheaper main fleet ship isn't really going to fix it if it's Unicorn that's dying, is it

[supple verge]

is the baguette gun still good?

[whole crypt]

your best chance would be to bring maybe a common CVL with ASW on both main and vanguard

[whole crypt]

it's not a bad gun if you're looking to fit it on someone
it's a bad option to craft if you want to make it in the lab

[spring bolt]

i've been using poi kai + uni and it worked fine for me
also heard people using ddg also gets the job done

[sharp echo]

i need to clear hard to open SP?

[acoustic thistle]

how many ur voucher do you get for free without buying from store

[little tree]

Yes clear d3

[sharp echo]

ah rip then

[viscid swift]

345

[little tree]

You are missing levels to do sp anyway 110 all ships is minimum

Better off farming d1 and leveling your second fleet at the same time if u can

[upbeat wagon]

When you clear a stage with a fleet, do both fleets get xp

[worn quest]

how good is duisberg?

[soft raft]

only the fleet that actually did any fighting gets XP

[lone glade]

Are any of the BP meta ships worth building? Given how long it can take to skill them up don't want to waste time

[soft raft]

realistically her only value will be as tech fodder

[soft raft]

Realistically the SR Event/Showdown ones are "Good but better options exist"

And all of them are really tech fodder at the end of the day

[worn quest]

what about the new ur? i got her too

[soft raft]

If you meant Fritz Rumey, she's really good
Definetly the main highlight from the banner but the shop UR probably steals the spotlight overall

[vocal sigil]

does hipper meta drop from d3?

[raven canyon]

can anyone tell me which one of them is good for the boss fleet in general?

[vocal sigil]

thanks 😔 guess I'm just giga unlucky

[soft raft]

"In general" is not a thing in this game, you gotta be more specific
And good god why did you raise Warspite

curently your best BBs are Musashi, Hood (With unique aug), and Nelson Retro

[raven canyon]

tbh i focused on warspite like 2 years ago when i was new

also thanks

[soft raft]

Warspite has been outdated since like 2018 imma be real with you

[raven canyon]

ye i didnt know that back then tbf

[soft raft]

rip

[raven canyon]

oh btw what's vanguard good for?

[soft raft]

buff utility in triple BB comps
Which is mainly a Operation Siren thing

[raven canyon]

i see

[alpine condor]

jeifniejfuf where do i get cubes

i expended every single penny and cube i've saved up for the purple fox now i can't get the German dog

[spare cave]

Hello, I don't have enough AVI for D3. What can I do ? Here are my strongest carriers. How can I increase the stat ?

[rare wyvern]

Do any normal event stage bring clearing rewards ?

[soft raft]

Yeet musashi or Richy for a CV
Also good god why are you using non MLB URs

[hollow gust]

level your catapults

also yeah yeet a BB for a CV

[soft raft]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/common_resource#currency

[spare cave]

Cuz I don't have enough UR bullin since I wasn't playing intensively until now. And I've spread my ur bullins instead of MLB individual ur, which was a bad idea but I didn't knew

[leaden garden]

This gears good for her?

[whole crypt]

not bad but could be better depending on use case

[soft raft]

For general levelling sure ig
she sure as hell wont be used in any pratical context pre-D30

[whole crypt]

beacon should really just be another catapult if you're not looking at a specific timing with it

[leaden garden]

Oh thanks

Is Admiral Nakhimov good for campaign?

[hollow gust]

shes a UR CV, ofc she would be

[leaden garden]

Oh that makes sense i guess

[whole crypt]

mmm 5/5 for today... just need more aux plates now I guess

[soft raft]

Yeah URs That are not called Warspite Retro are pretty good in alot of places

just varies on which specific URs you have and what other options you have because they are not a one-size fits all instant win condition

[spare cave]

Talking about URs, since I've been misusing my ur bullins, which one should I prioritise for MLB ? (Z52 included in the list)

[frank pulsar]

alsace > soyuz > nano > amagi > sushi > fritz > vanny > laffii imho

[soft raft]

I'd personally swap Shinano/Amagi and Alsace/Soyuz around
you also forgot to list UvH

[frank pulsar]

if youre trying to push campaign fast then sushi becomes higher prio than nano

[soft raft]

(And Brest doesnt count since she's a research ship and doesnt take bullins)

[viscid swift]

well how many UR Bullins do you have or can get

[frank pulsar]

it was intentional, i did not forget uvh
imho bb just better to prio over cv first just because cv cost so much more to reach their ceiling (gold plate cost for +13)

[spare cave]

I can buy 4 in the shop and I will get 2 soon with the battle pass and the event

[viscid swift]

Alsace and Soyuz first then, ask again when you get 4 more

[soft raft]

True

[sweet delta]

shinano > amagi?

[frank pulsar]

cuz you can pair with haku first
it just my opinion though, i can see amagi being lb before nano

[mellow cape]

If they're doing 2 UR ships for every new event, 6 new UR Events and a monthly UR bulin income of just 1.5 lol. How tf are we suppose to max all the new URs

[viscid swift]

you can do the same with Amagi among other things

Shinano needs Amagi more than Amagi needs Shinano

[elfin hollow]

Which works for Hipper Meta? I'm eyeing the lance

[hollow gust]

Amagi more damage and her torp buff offsets no shinano buff

[frank pulsar]

i think sword, almost no ca use lance iirc

[mellow cape]

Cause after I max out Fritz and Z52 I won't have close to enough for the next new UR...

[hollow gust]

Amagi is Unzen's best friend too

[woeful sluice]

Is Fritz actually good? Bc the kit seems pretty weird

[viscid swift]

well they've only done 6 new URs this year

[hollow gust]

Very

[viscid swift]

I doubt they'll go beyond that without increasing income

[mellow cape]

Oh not 6 new UR events?

[viscid swift]

no, where did you hear that from

[mellow cape]

I was scrolling up lolll, there's a lot of useful advice here but I guess I must have misread

but it's still looking grim for UR bulin

[hollow gust]

Current taihou boss , unzen prefers lance

[viscid swift]

just keep playing

you'll get there eventually

[sweet delta]

Save for a good gold augment like San Diego's

Btw, according to my research, augmented sandy with blue76 and zero retrofit nodes should do more damage than fully augmented and retrofitted starter DDs who don't have twin 138.6

[viscid swift]

yeah I figured as much

[little tree]

Is harbin the best pr 5 series ship to do catchup on

[viscid swift]

honestley, I think Sandy might be worth bumping in the retrofit queue

[pulsar hornet]

Ok, which do you think is better. Throwing some gems at Dorm to make it 6 slots or a third skill academy slot.

Been playing the game for a long while and is more than willing to spend for a bit of comfort

[viral flicker]

Need help

[viral flicker]

I will say dorm

[viscid swift]

on the basis that skill slots don't really do anything after a certain point 6th dorm slot

[atomic abyss]

Assuming you already have 2nd floor

[viral flicker]

Anyone help

[little tree]

You need to level ships

You need avg level of 100

[still merlin]

is any of the aux from to love ru event useful?

[viral flicker]

Just tell me how to get the exchangeable ur on that acc

[undone plover]

dorm 3rd slot > 2nd floor > dock space > dorm 4 > 5 > 6 slots for QoL imo

[still merlin]

some of the eff sounds confusing for me

[atomic abyss]

Focus on your daily missions and all other objectives
Forget SP and D3
You just don't have the ships

[pulsar hornet]

Also, why are you doing D3 when you only managed to clear B2?

[atomic abyss]

For the UR vouchers

[viral flicker]

Cause need to do sp and for 50 ur vouch

[atomic abyss]

You just do everything else

[weary gust]

You can buy 150 vouchers with points. You will be able to get the exchange ur.

[sweet delta]

#gameplay-help message

[viscid swift]

you're not doing SP anytime soon, see if you can do D1 and start grinding levels

[viral flicker]

So what should I do on repeat?

[little tree]

Sp need ship level avg of 110

[pulsar hornet]

Fair enough. Dorm 6 it is... after 5 years lol

Also, at +750 slots and thats already feeling cramped so maybe a that next month.

It's annoying getting gated by skill when I want to raise all skills, but yeah... those first two would be better

[viscid swift]

D1 if you can

[undone plover]

2 academy slots is more than enough unless u want to max out everyone's skills

[viscid swift]

750 slots is somehow less than me

[spare cave]

I agree, I bought 4 slots in the academy and all I do is run out of books. I should have bought more dock space instead

[forest palm]

I've run out of shit to use in the academy 3rd slot was a waste

[undone plover]

your fleet also needs some rework
focus on one for now
use amagi, kii, unicorn, lala, laffey, helena imo

can u get a gold bulin from pvp merit or medal shop any time soon?

dont spread your limit breaks like this next time
get one ship to MLB then start working on the next one

[novel solstice]

Third academy slot was more useful before they started running those "instantly complete ten books" mini-events periodically.

[weary gust]

Yeah. I get more ships to max skills in that time period than I do in like 3 months.

[hollow gust]

in my 6 years of playing at this point, never felt the need for 3rd slot

tech fodder dont need max skills

[viral flicker]

What about Prinz and others

Just need 100 more then done

[undone plover]

prinz is worse than lala but she gives u KMS tech (do u have lala augment?)
imo u dont need that since this event is KMS
normally we recommend portland but u probably dont want to raise a ship from scratch if u are trying to be efficient
u can raise portland when u are working on your second fleet

[viral flicker]

What mode to repeat can't do d1

[undone plover]

it is in the pins
i think sam recommends C2

[viral flicker]

Also u had a blue pfp before right one day I will do Portland lala Aug gotta check

[strange sphinx]

why Warspite (Retrofit) have 85 ASW

[viral flicker]

Not c3?

[undone plover]

c3 is one extra fight so less tokens/oil

[undone plover]

probably a historical reference to her sinking a submarine with a floatplane
but better ask #al-general or #history

[soft raft]

Cuz she can equip a ASW plane