gameplay-help

[stark quiver]

it should be enough
and like u said + weekly/free oil

[undone plover]

honestly 3 is probably enough
would be nice to have 4 but dont kick yourself over it

[stark quiver]

i think i have 3 fleets to low cost
uni + ddg
volga + ddg
perseus + ddg

and 2 other unicorns WIP but we dont talk about that

[undone plover]

~~lets just pray they keep the bug ~~

[barren tapir]

given i was able to 1:1 this event healerless im coping that uni+poikai, sara+nana, indep+momo will work

[undone plover]

I wasnt around during ykii initial run so idk but it should be the same or less difficult than this event

[viscid swift]

alright this is my preliminary comp for Taiho with Z52

with Mogador, this comp quite easily does 1.55 million so Z52 hopefully should be enough to just push it over

uses 0 CV reload tech

[undone plover]

z52 does mean less unzen dmg right?

[viscid swift]

you'll lose Mogador's drag so yes

[hollow gust]

Z52 isnt that much of a damage increase

[stark quiver]

would full oaths on backline cover up for some missing +13s

[viscid swift]

maybe, probably not though

[stark quiver]

missing one convg and la9 +13

[little tree]

Z52 worth spending bullins on? Over mog

[sweet delta]

you definitely don't need AA radar on z52

[storm heron]

is one shot without tash, voro, and implac possible?

[hollow gust]

Unzen damage increase from mogador is extremly valuable

[undone plover]

overall yes
priority depends on your dock and what URs u have

[hollow gust]

just run helena

[storm heron]

I used eldrige and the concealment surprisingly holds

[undone plover]

i would MLB her over mog yes
she is overall better

[storm heron]

so the problem is with the torps missing

nvm not gonna make any search bookmark since I probably can't one shot myhou

[hollow gust]

treat z52 as a consistency buff, if your moggy fleet aint killing yet, z52 shouldnt change much

[stark quiver]

i needed 3 scan helena for one shot

[forest palm]

I just settle for not one shotting

[storm heron]

you have implac?

well yeah then

[eager mulch]

what do you save from oneshotting

[storm heron]

40 oil

[barren tapir]

you allow other ppl to get their supports done

[forest palm]

basically nothing

[barren tapir]

oh i misread that as not oneshotting

[storm heron]

waiting for support is like waiting for one of the 4 exercise guys to move

[stark quiver]

self accomplishment

[eager mulch]

what’s the gem to oil ratio

[barren tapir]

i did that the entirety of last season i sure as shit wasnt gonna spend oil back when my fleet is doing 200k

[storm heron]

which happens a lot during first hour of reset, and randomly happens afterwards

[silver fjord]

Where do I find it

[stark quiver]

opsi

[shell willow]

its about the accomplishment not the saved oil

[forest palm]

my lazy ass settles for this

[stark quiver]

vets have so much +13

[silver fjord]

I'm more lazy. Got almost all UR ships but almost no ur gear

[forest palm]

I have everything on that board +13/11

anyway the build sits around 1.4 ~ 1.5 mil

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't say I have that much +13 gear

anyway, has anyone tried using the Tea Torps on Unzen yet against Taiho synced to Implac's stop

[storm heron]

I used the eldridge comp for last maagto and the build sits around 1.4m with huge variations

[forest palm]

sounds annoying

[cobalt rapids]

this fight differs because taihou actually moves

cat + eldridge does give u a good hitrate tho
and its a better compromise than resorting to avp if ure lacking implac

[thin nova]

this one gud?

[viscid swift]

for CBs yes

[thin nova]

so it's Aegir gun?

[cobalt rapids]

good cb gun for med/heavy or for tank mode aegir

[viscid swift]

I was thinking this

[thin nova]

looks like it's useless for me then

[viscid swift]

8 CV reload tech, 12 CA reload tech for that one

tried a run against Warspite in CM and it seems to line up

[thin nova]

30m or 4h?

30m right?

[viscid swift]

30 minute no question

[storm heron]

why are you doing pr IV

[thin nova]

I heard it's good for newbie

[storm heron]

I see, alright then sure 30 mins

[silver fjord]

Where do I get these

[thin nova]

OS?

[stark quiver]

wont unzens posotion mess up the torp lineup

[silver fjord]

What's os

[viscid swift]

3 from the port shops, one from arbiter, about 2-3 additional ones a month from RNG drops

[storm heron]

opsi shop, dropped randomly 🐌

[silver fjord]

Oh that

[viscid swift]

huh?

[storm heron]

I think they meant torp delay :mutsuki:

[stark quiver]

if teatorps are unguided, wont unzens firing position determine if they hit or not

[viscid swift]

they're not magnetic but they're still aimed

[stark quiver]

lemme draw it

[storm heron]

auto aims them to the enemy right

[thin nova]

wait, how many Z52 copies you can get from this event? 3?

[viscid swift]

like I know what you mean

[storm heron]

2

[thin nova]

so only from the shop then

I thought we can get 1 from the event page

[viscid swift]

they don't just fire straight ahead wherever they are

[sweet delta]

tea torps are shit on auto

[thin nova]

just watch Jimmy video

looks like Z52 is the best vanguard, no idea tho

[storm heron]

pretty sure all torps only aim to the enemy on auto when it is close

[sweet delta]

the mk ix aims at the boss if in range, but it keeps the same angle for all 4 subsequent torps

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X4hafXGXiqSgaIJdcWA3La7rvZCFVJZzZ44GqyQ_Fxo/edit?gid=1285253338#gid=1285253338 you may refer to the difference between mk 35 and mk ix here

[stark quiver]

oh so thats what i was missing

[thin nova]

this one good? Actually, I heard it's worse than the farmable one

[sweet delta]

It's the third best AA gun for BBs usually

[thin nova]

for BB? oh

[sweet delta]

And usually second best for CV(L)s

[stark quiver]

2nd best is the twin long barrel?

[sweet delta]

STAAG is better than this hazemeyer in every way

[storm heron]

which one is twin long barrel?

[sweet delta]

The FP 134mm, and technically fuze versions too but

[stark quiver]

yea that one

[thin nova]

this one?

this

[sweet delta]

This one is twin 113mm, it's one of the best guns for vanguard ships

[thin nova]

I heard this is the best one for AA

[sweet delta]

This one is STAAG, it's usually the best AA gun for main fleet ships

[stark quiver]

what armor is ex boss

[sweet delta]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/bosses/id/1502

[stark quiver]

9999 hit

[boreal wagon]

its the hard mode one yes

[storm heron]

are those stats accurate?

[boreal wagon]

yes

[storm heron]

looked like a placeholder

[stark quiver]

average ex boss

[odd flare]

With the newly added KMS girls whats the best team to make with them ? Im looking to use a faction fleet of just KMS. (i do not have Zwei )

[viscid swift]

usual disclaimer faction fleets are just a self imposed handi cap

[late flame]

the best faction fleet is unironically not using a faction to make a fleet

[stark quiver]

anyways im thinking
ulrich,fdg,fritz
agir,z52,hinden
@odd flare

[warm flax]

The best faction fleets are one shot meta showdown fleets

[storm heron]

that's not faction fleet, that is a comp

[undone plover]

i would do zwei, fritz, UvH, z52, emden, hinden

[stark quiver]

"(i do not have Zwei :sadge: )"

[storm heron]

also best team for what, 3 bbs in w15 will probably sink misread, EN moment

[warm flax]

What are Fritz's planes

[undone plover]

fighter + flex

[warm flax]

Like slots

[stark quiver]

best team whatever kms faction has to offer lol

[warm flax]

Just like impla?

[undone plover]

she has 2 slots
so not like anyone else
slot 1 is fighter locked
slot 2 is flex (fighter/DB/TB)
4x planes each slot

[warm flax]

Is 4x good

[odd flare]

Thank u !

[storm heron]

that looks like a good boss fleet ngl

[stark quiver]

Tho if u want u can also use z52 Emden hinden like faer said

[storm heron]

got 8 fighters for interception, and the rest is surface damage

[undone plover]

usually UR have 9 planes
she has 8 planes like amagi CV
but good efficiencies
and a CL/AA gun as well

remains to be seen how good she is
probably her niche will be medium/light armor

[odd flare]

I was going to ask why not Emden since she buffs basically everyone.

[warm flax]

Okay thank you

[stark quiver]

Yes emden also good

I kinda just forgot she existed

[odd flare]

Also my hinden is dev 25.

[eager mulch]

[warm flax]

Ectl update when

[eager mulch]

go ask them

[undone plover]

then agir emden z52
also depends what chapter u are doing tbh

[stark quiver]

Petition to employ me under the name of turtle

[storm heron]

wait for shouting contest

[white agate]

i guess the best lime i'll ever get is the chief,artilliery, royal buff
are all my lime rigged or is royal navy buff fixed?
like i got it in all my last 9 lime

[storm heron]

yes lime is quite rigged, very difficult to get

[undone plover]

u ideally want one that has flame/soulful as a starter talent, and no faction buff, mountain also good for campaign
raise one and pray u get better ones

[odd flare]

Im on W13.

[undone plover]

actually can lime get soulful/flame as starter?

[storm heron]

just do antenna or oscar tbh, lime and pound is very difficult

(or just don't invest on BB cats before perfecting CV cats)

[undone plover]

well what I suggested can prolly do boss assuming everyone is MLB
ofc cant do mob cuz no healer
put triple carrier in mob

[white agate]

all my cv cats have the exp curse

[odd flare]

everyone is oathed 125 and MLB

[stark quiver]

Goddam

[storm heron]

askaeth moment

[ornate heron]

best gun on z52?

[storm heron]

the gold single 113

[viscid swift]

still pending

[ornate heron]

u mean 127?

[storm heron]

I heard +13 twin100 could be a little bit better than +13 gold single 113

[ornate heron]

or 113?

[viscid swift]

they mean the 113

[ornate heron]

this:?

[viscid swift]

yes

[ornate heron]

ty

[odd cedar]

Extra admiral hipper metas get converted into crystals right?

[warm flax]

How much

[viscid swift]

10 fragments

[storm heron]

eh? I thought they got converted into the limit broken things

[odd cedar]

Was just making sure cause I managed to get extras from farming d3

[storm heron]

1 you get the ship, 4 more you get the thing for lb, more after that is 10 fragments

[viscid swift]

yes that is correct

[white herald]

Is rumey worth limit breaking or z52

[warm flax]

Rainbow

[viscid swift]

you mean z52 right?

[white herald]

I didn’t read her name correctly yes

[viscid swift]

to be determined

[storm heron]

tm

[obsidian ivy]

There's nothing too crazy in LNY yeah? Just some new Chinese ships and free gems?

[viscid swift]

and a retrofit or 2 usually

but what comes alongside it is another matter

DR4, PR5 get coining around that time, PR6 catch up releases, Hindenburg Gun get's added to the prototype shop, a gear lab update, and the next DR fate sim will probably get released

[sweet delta]

what are the most gimmickless showdown bosses for each armor type suitable for damage testing?

[viscid swift]

for medium Hiryuu, Ark Royal or Soryuu probably
light, of the ones that are actually available right now Helena probably
heavy for just main fleets, Arizona probably

[sweet delta]

for vanguard heavy nagato/taihou?

or rodney, but nagato and rodney are very far off

[viscid swift]

Taiho's summons might skew results so Nagato would be the safest bet but yeah

[elfin hollow]

have u guys cooked up any taihou m fleets

[elfin hollow]

no like with her in the fleet

[sweet delta]

she works in any fleet, but not very well...

[elfin hollow]

i see

[sweet delta]

treat her as a taihou sidegrade who doesn't count for shinano's 3 IJN

[elfin hollow]

so she's just a flex unit

[sweet delta]

i don't think she heals, slows, or buffs

[storm heron]

flex unit is like generalist, I doubt she is

[obsidian ivy]

Is the lance on unzen better than greatsword

[sweet delta]

she is a generalist

[elfin hollow]

most people run greatsword

[sweet delta]

but implac is a better generalist than taihou is

[storm heron]

but generalist is jack of all trades meanwhile she lacks damage, heals, AA, other utilities

[sweet delta]

lance is better for damage, greatsword is better for defense. small difference for each

[obsidian ivy]

Helenagambling

[storm heron]

sorry how is greatsword good for defense again?

[sweet delta]

slash

[eager mulch]

[storm heron]

is the slash super big compared to the other modules?

[sweet delta]

augment guide coming 2025

i mean it's bigger than lance's slash

because lance's slash is nonexistent

[stark quiver]

How much % damage do I lose running like 1/4 tech fleets for taihou meta compared to max tech

[storm heron]

if you are running 4 -strike-comp without max rld tech than it is definitely more than 20%

[stark quiver]

3 strike

[storm heron]

otherwise doubt that it is even that much different tbh, like 10% tops maybe

[hollow gust]

its still possible to oneshot with 0 avi and no helena but thats very iffy and still need oath

[sweet delta]

i think it's not iffy

[viscid swift]

well slow comps are looking to be the way to go so you won't miss the reload

so it's mainly the AVI and hit tech

[sweet delta]

i think we can oneshot with 0 avi tech with >50% chance

fleet would be like ||musashi alsace soyuz ply z52 unzen||

[stark quiver]

28 avi and 6 hit isn’t gonna help

[glass hull]

Anybody got a gear build for Z52?

[sweet delta]

#gameplay-help message

or it's just typical DD gear with Single 113mm main gun

does Taihou's saiun barrage buff apply to her own strike?

[glass hull]

Aight noted

[obsidian ivy]

Is it inevitable that your main gets revealed in the last bit of taihouM

[barren tapir]

if i have just amagi beforehand (mlb), and have z52, rumey, and yk2, what order should i limitbreak them in?

[viscid swift]

not if you build for it

[barren tapir]

wanna plan out my UR bulins etc

[viscid swift]

honestley still TBD

[obsidian ivy]

I suppose I'll need some weird AA thing

[barren tapir]

hold off until after yk2 event?

[viscid swift]

I would at least until we figure out where Z52 and Fritz stand exactly

[fluid brook]

Evaluations for Z52 and Fritz?

[sharp token]

thoughts about z52?

[barren tapir]

see the message right above XD

[viscid swift]

looking pretty good

[stark quiver]

~~or just limit break all using 12 reserve bulins ~~

[sharp token]

compared to mogador?

[obsidian ivy]

||shame her skin sucks||

[viscid swift]

I forsee her being used more than Mogador but again, tbd

[stark quiver]

I would def see her being used more than mog

[fluid brook]

let me see the skills, was too lazy to read

[barren tapir]

by the end of yk2 event i will only have 10, need 11 to mlb all so actually im not in too much need to prioritize so uhhh nvm my question i shouldve counted beforehand

[sharp token]

RIP Moggy

[barren tapir]

actually will have 11 with cruise 100... ok im just gonna leave

[sharp token]

fast gun for Z52? or damage?

[viscid swift]

fast gun

[elfin hollow]

How should I gear Nagato meta?

[viscid swift]

pretty standard BB set up

[sharp token]

and what about rumey, what gears do i put in em? im using 2 fighter and CL gun rn

[viscid swift]

situationally dependent as always

[pseudo saffron]

How do I get lots of gold?

[obsidian ivy]

Z52 can't replace Eldridge still right

[viscid swift]

farm W12

[pseudo saffron]

Is that in chapter 12?

Ok

Should I push to chapter 12 or focus on the event?

[late flame]

event

[bold cove]

Event

[south sequoia]

Both do completely different roles, which roles you need for your fleet depends on who you have there and what content you are doing

[velvet fractal]

what is the best dd gun for z52?

[storm heron]

Cheeky still coping for twin100 kai to be better

[nocturne glade]

is this still accurate with stuff like kearseage?

[storm heron]

yes kearsarge is not much prioritized since she is an all-or-nothing ships, she is mid without all her synergy requirements fulfilled

[nocturne glade]

i see, ty!

[elfin hollow]

Is this thing event-locked?

[fair lance]

gear lab

[elfin hollow]

Where?

[fair lance]

royal navy DD gun

[fiery pelican]

The new UR pairs with Zwei right?

[fair lance]

I believe lala can do it too if you got her

[fiery pelican]

I do, but Zwei much better innit

[fair lance]

Yeah

[late flame]

sure if zwei can change to cv

[forest glade]

Good build enough?

My brain being puzzle over chopping board

[elfin hollow]

Why AA radar and no washing machine...

[fiery pelican]

This torpedo is the one that event locked?

[forest glade]

I currently grinding so bad to get one

[ornate bronze]

Washing machine?

[fiery pelican]

I think I need it for someone in my opsi fleet

[forest glade]

I have 2 of it

[elfin hollow]

A must-have for CA.

[ornate bronze]

I don't have one of them yet lol

But I'm also new

[forest glade]

Suggest build or should I just stock this chopping board

I'm overlapping too many CA on fleet

[viscid swift]

I'm not coping for anything lamo, it's legitimately still up in the air whether or not the 113mm is her best gun

[fair lance]

If you keep planning on using her at lest a toolbox and some evasion gaer

[elfin hollow]

A generic CA kit should suffice.

[forest glade]

noted thx

[fiery pelican]

Is there even a decent META ship?

[stark quiver]

There are exceptional meta ships

[forest glade]

Helena Meta if suggest

[stark quiver]

Most of the golds are the usual decent but better options , a few stand out such as
U556 meta and jintsuu meta,

[forest glade]

Ark royal meta? with wyern and tenrai I saw someone using that build

[eager mulch]

biggest problem with metas is that they aren’t rainbow

[forest glade]

UR? you mean

[eager mulch]

no

[fiery pelican]

Which one to mlb?

[eager mulch]

rainbow

[forest glade]

almost all of thm

[stark quiver]

Mfw I mlb shima with bulins

[storm heron]

I would hold off lb ing anything for now, but it is clear that laffii > mog > UvH > shimakaze

[stark quiver]

No one

[storm heron]

not sure if ykII or rumey or z52 has the same effect as lafii, or better, or worse

[late flame]

shima can be mlb eventually using dupes tbh

[stark quiver]

Yk2 rerun at Jan 9

[bright tusk]

Z52 better 128mm or 114mm?

[sharp socket]

hold for yk2, then prob rumey

[fiery pelican]

yk2?

[sharp socket]

yorktown 2

[fiery pelican]

okay thx

[sharp socket]

yk2, yt2, yk2n, yorkii are all yorktown 2

[wind hazel]

what about y2j

[sharp socket]

york2 also

[storm heron]

the only york that is not yorktown II is york kai, york retro, doyork

[late flame]

york meta
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Yorktown_META

[viscid swift]

how many bullins can you actually get

[viscid swift]

113mm would be better than both

[wind hazel]

any papers maths on difference between 113 vs 100kai on z52?

cause im seeing some people recommending 100kai

[viscid swift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758348560390553650/1319872122335789147/image.png?ex=676832f4&is=6766e174&hm=73b37d5b60ed8a06b5ff6b455a6c3510c20d7a0422e9f2a6b9823d24f3fd8bc1&

assuming both +13

[wind hazel]

interesting

[formal robin]

date confirmed?

[bright tusk]

100kai far better than 113 for z52 ?

[storm heron]

assumng both +13 it seems, on paper at least

[sweet delta]

no way

[storm heron]

the question is just how reliable is the paper simulations

[bright tusk]

Kinda confused which one should i craft

[wind hazel]

wait for actual testing

[viscid swift]

if you don't have a 100 kai already just use a 113mm

you'll get about the same results for much cheaper

[pseudo saffron]

Is there a way to switch servers?

[keen sable]

Change server on login

[plain saffron]

between same region yes

[stark quiver]

apk

[pseudo saffron]

Ok

[rough vale]

any use for these aside from buying UR bulins?

[keen sable]

Retrofits you missed

[elfin hollow]

All of your things will be gone so be careful.

[viscid swift]

you don't lose progress on your original server if you change servers

[storm heron]

It's not "gone", gone is like deleted from existence

[fast steppe]

I just tried ex hard for some reason wtf are you supposed to do

[late flame]

its just that you start anew in the new server.

[fast steppe]

3 CV and dodge everything?

[storm heron]

unrelated, but where do I talk about your profile name, I really would like to understand the show

[viscid swift]

#off-topic

or #anime-manga

[fast steppe]

aiming with bbs is impossible because the vanguard just gets nuked lmao

[sweet delta]

this paper calculation overestimates 100 kai's fire rate or underestimates 113's fire rate

[bold stream]

Hello all. Is z52 a better first MLB for new players than rumey?

[storm heron]

I would say yes tbh

[sweet delta]

113 shits on 100 kai for medium/heavy, and 100 kai can win by a little on light

[south sequoia]

Unelss you have other dps ur backliners I doubt

[storm heron]

8 2x500 fighter surpass gold BBs or things like saratoga enty indep?

[south sequoia]

Yup

I mean

Shes literally queen of medium armor

8 La-9s, 8 bf109gs

8 hvars

8 pancakes

[spring bolt]

113 can fire 3 times in one chibi animation cycle, right? not 2, so i think that's where the underestimation comes from

[storm heron]

but it's new player so their priority is to reach w12

[south sequoia]

Fighters are pretty loaded and she abuses the fuck out of em

[south sequoia]

And if it is their goal rumey helps reach it faster, she also even boosts w12 clears because of her 8 fighters

[bold stream]

I have like musashi fdg enty unicorn.. my vanguard is eugene.. portlan helena

[storm heron]

but bulk + aa + damage z52

[blissful hamlet]

are you real or are you speculating?

[storm heron]

that's not new player

[hollow gust]

They announced it

[fair lance]

It's confirmed

[bold stream]

Welp, i will just go to 200 pulls get the dupe and try to mlb both of them asap

[blissful hamlet]

where

[fair lance]

live stream

[hollow gust]

JP stream

[bold stream]

Yea, i kinda sometimes forget that. I stated last november

[blissful hamlet]

time to save oil for hvar

[storm heron]

if you currently can comfortably farming in w12, might as well just hold on lbing any of them both

[bold stream]

Why is this?

[storm heron]

if I were a new player though, i would just use the permanent CV and give my vanguard a big upgrade with z52 instead (+ it requires less bulin)

[granite rain]

Is this the right channel for fleet advice? sorry, super new

[south sequoia]

Both are pretty strong ships so it all depends on what you need, i still hold the belief that rumey would still be a great choice considering how big her damage can be

[south sequoia]

This is also valid as well

[storm heron]

since they won't matter until like quite some time

[elfin hollow]

Yes, make thread and post your dock.

[viscid swift]

might wanna give that a read then
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[storm heron]

my take is that new player can stop chasing ships for power and just start working on tech as soon as they can farm in w12 and do abyssals with mob fleet comfortably, which also means not lbing any URs outside of the 2 needed for one fleet

[hollow gust]

If you have multiple UR CVs maxed you get z52, if not max Fritz

[bold stream]

At which point does players get excess ur bulins?

[viscid swift]

it depends

[granite rain]

Papa Jackyl fleet help

[viscid swift]

not for a few years though probably at the current rate

[bold stream]

I need like 3 more for hutten (got her dupe with luck).. and now i need more with z52 and rumey

[storm heron]

for perspective, I have been playing non stop since the last 16 months, still short on UR bulins

[hollow gust]

Just don't max Hutton

She is gets beaten by SR BBs while mobbing

[bold stream]

She is good at 2guns at mlb1?

[hollow gust]

More like don't use her at all

[bold stream]

Oh!

[undone plover]

Probably when you catchup to reruns
Which takes 2 years give or take
But u can be smart about UR bulins and min/max it to MLB the ones u need/want
The income is decent

[storm heron]

Theory: if you are a player that have maxed 2 UR BBs and 1 good tank other than portland, congratulations, you are a midgame player and can just wait in your gears as you comfortably farm tech ships in 12-4, other decisions like upgrading ships won't matter as much anymore

[wind hazel]

[viscid swift]

is that really considered mid game

[eager mulch]

early game

[storm heron]

is it late game instead?

[slow fox]

Are we gatekeeping midgame

Midgame is defined as 10 +13 rudders

[eager mulch]

when will we paywall eHP

[slow fox]

Never. Information should be free.

[wind hazel]

im not in midgame

[eager mulch]

what’s ur credit card info then

[spring bolt]

middle game crysis hit me hard when i reached 12-1 in 20 days

[slow fox]

@ mods

[storm heron]

like converging CVs, shinanos, blabla is not even that useful other than to reduce your meta showdown counts (from 3 to 2) or to farm higher worlds or to low cost event stages (crossfleets)

hot take though, but I have been doing this in my lil E accont

[bold stream]

This are my mains and vanguards... I am at w12 atm. Which ships should I take note of?

[wind hazel]

they matter if you want to transition from beginner fleet to killing arbiter

[storm heron]

(just heal in port)

[sweet delta]

single 113 with 0.51s reload fires 2 times per 1.4s
twin 100 with 0.66s reload fires 1 time per 1.0s

[wind hazel]

ok fine, killing abyssals

[sweet delta]

the paper calculation claims that 113 fires 1.28 times as much as 100 kai

[storm heron]

you have 1 very strong mob fleet with 2 UR BBs, 1 Unicorn, 1 strong tank, and 2 other flex like the saint louis for example (which PR1 that people would most likely have following the guide) or the chang chun (which people would have since their core data is stabilized).

You will have 3 attempts as long as nobody is sunk
Plus 1 from regroup and rest

[wind hazel]

yeah until you meet with zombie healing boss

and then your dps start to matter a lot and you realize you can't half ass fleets anymore

[storm heron]

This way all the best equipments can be put into 1 fleet instead of being spread

[stark quiver]

Define best equipments

[storm heron]

surely assuming enough adapts, the setup deals at least 55% of the abyssal's hp

[wind hazel]

retrofit independence, saratoga, level up avp enterprise, continue coining fdg and level her too. the rest pretty optional

[storm heron]

2 UR BBs: mk6 or champagne, shells, hazer
Unicorn: saiun, bfg, 2 gold catas
Saint louis: Gold gear lab gun the one before saint louis gun, washing machine, toolkit
Chang chun: tash gun, missile, seal, toolkit
The tank: washing machine, beaver
Note that the tank, 2 UR BBs, and Unicorn has to be 125
All of this surely can be done under 3 months

[granite rain]

BTW if anyone here wants to help w/ my fleet I have a tread up 😉

[wind hazel]

cheeky is already helping no?

[storm heron]

we trust cheeky to help you

[bold stream]

Do I still need saratogo retro even with rumey?

What about my vanguard?

[wind hazel]

well your rumey is 1LB

[stark quiver]

That does not look like it kills healing abyssal

[bold stream]

I plan to mlb her.. just no enough gold atm..

[viscid swift]

none of the vanguards are that noteworthy besides the obvious ones

[storm heron]

well it does, I will prove it when I got one

[fierce sleet]

Hi could I get help building a team?

[soft raft]

yee
go ahead and post your dock in a thread and specify the content you're doing

[wind hazel]

wait you're telling me

under 3 months a new player can expect to fully mlb 2 UR bb and finishing Changchun??

[storm heron]

surely yes right

or did I miscalculate

[bold stream]

I am 1month +... I do not jave chanchun.. who is she even..? Ahhaha

[late flame]

just whale

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Chang_Chun

[wind hazel]

i feel like you're vastly overestimating the accessibility on 2 UR BB

[viscid swift]

2 months you'd get around 6 UR Bullins

[wind hazel]

like right now, who even are the choices, beside NJ UVH which you don't get until 400 pity?

[stark quiver]

And it’s take more than 2 months to max fdg at that

[viscid swift]

also, how the fuck are you getting 2 UR BBs in 2 months without the stars lining up

[livid vine]

I did story why is it doing this? Says clear on everything

[viscid swift]

clear D3

[storm heron]

1 UR Bullin free, and 3x6000 = 18k worth of protocores, 1 UR Bulin from event, and 2 UR Bulin from cruise

[livid vine]

What d3? That is all it gives me

[wind hazel]

click B3 and click hard

[storm heron]

maybe the 2 UR BBs are timegated

[viscid swift]

well first that's 3 months not 2

[wind hazel]

[soft raft]

(they moved the Hard mode toggles to each individual map)

[stark quiver]

Does cheeky have that image on speed dial

[storm heron]

that's under 3 months

3 months worth of shop with overlaps

[fierce sleet]

Team building

[bold stream]

My fdg is at 26 rn... At 6-7 weeks game time

[viscid swift]

2nd, you're not getting 2 UR Bullins from the cruise pass in under 2 months unless you pay

[livid vine]

Omg why did they change the menu like that? lol I was looking for like you do past ones were it’s just a diff screen ty

[viscid swift]

you're also assuming a new player will max out their protocores everymonth, no gurantee of that

[storm heron]

oh yeah right forgot about that

[wind hazel]

yes, some players don't like the way it was changed too. consider writing feedback about it #game-feedback

[stark quiver]

Anyways fybre did you actually go through this process or did you make it up

[viscid swift]

and again, the stars alining so that you get 2 UR BB events in that 2 months

[storm heron]

but it might be possible if the player is starting at like last 2 weeks before the firstcruise pass ends

[viscid swift]

So you can do this

[storm heron]

I went through it

[late flame]

if starting as a whale yes, f2p doubtful

[fast steppe]

do y'all go for any commissions that may drop cubes

[wind hazel]

you have to start at the correct banner too.

[viscid swift]

and assuming paying and getting lucky with your timing is just....

[bold stream]

I do not know where I got my bulins and currency but I have MLB mushasi and can MLB rumey or z52.. i just need 1 of their dupe. Z52 has one in shop

[wind hazel]

try starting in this banner and see how that goes lol

[viscid swift]

when you make recommendations and assumptions you want as little rng and variation as possible

[storm heron]

Alright my mistake then saying surely 3 months

right wording should have been "can under 3 months"

[wind hazel]

who even are the 2 UR BB, musashi and fdg?

[pseudo saffron]

Are submarines important?

[stark quiver]

They are a good damage bonus for hard content
Definitely not required

[bold stream]

Is changchun that important? I do not have her yet..

[storm heron]

I feel fdg hard to complete fast

[fast steppe]

btw is there any benefit to 3 starring every hard event stage now

not familiar with the new event system yet

[wind hazel]

C3 and D3 have missions

the rest can be done on normal

[storm heron]

pretty sure any 2 event UR BBs suffice

[late flame]

for a new player? no
but for late game and operation siren boss fights they are a nice boost to damage

[wind hazel]

=_= brother...

[eager mulch]

[storm heron]

Alright, fine, under 5 months

[viscid swift]

my dude, have you seen the event schedule

[wind hazel]

your whole story is made up on stars aligning

[stark quiver]

Dude you are talking about a 3~ months player are you not

[bold stream]

Okay. Since i am at world 12.. i should focus on OPsi next?

[late flame]

just whale big to snag NJ and uvh

[stark quiver]

Event schedules and shit matters

[eager mulch]

bonus points if you get amagi-chan

[eager mulch]

anyways I’ve seen enough im going to bed

[stark quiver]

Bye 🐢

[viscid swift]

there's more times where this is unlikely to happen in the past year than it is

[bold stream]

Which ur rerun is that?

[soft raft]

the one on the 9th? Yorktown 2

[bold stream]

Maybe i should skip? Its not like I got enough bulin to max any more URs I get.

[stark quiver]

Hell naw don’t skip

[bold stream]

Skip the next ur rerun...

[stark quiver]

Yea don’t skip
You’ll get more bulins , you will not get more yk2s anytime soon after the rerun

[storm heron]

How good is this plan under 5 months? and what kind of improvement can be made? Applying a protocol to switch unicorn to enty before abyysals to maximize damage per battle? Switching one of the UR BBs to one UR CV?

[soft raft]

[bold stream]

But i think what i need rn is torp carriers... For some reason I do not have any ijn carriers... Not even kaga and akagi.

[wind hazel]

easiest would be to just triple CV manual it

[viscid swift]

well Chang Chun in this economy is just why

[storm heron]

wait do new player not buy chang chun and level her as soon as they have enough shells?

[viscid swift]

no

[soft raft]

you'll get Shinano and Haku eventually

[soft raft]

no
her retrofit is not really high priority

[bold stream]

I didnt

[wind hazel]

DDG is pretty expensive investment

[soft raft]

Independence is the one we go have people buy after shells

[viscid swift]

because they can't afford the spare prototype cores and why bother now when San Diego is so much better and costs just 1k Specialized Core more in terms of retrofit item cost

[bold stream]

Like.. no clue who she is...

[storm heron]

so it could've been faster without the chang chun?

[viscid swift]

I'm saying Chang Chun is just a bad investment long term, much better use of resources these days

[late flame]

true. also me

[stark quiver]

What you need right now is good carriers like yk2

[late flame]

i wouldnt bother looking for kaga / akagi yeah'

[sweet delta]

What are we talking about, speed run harbiter from new player account?

[viscid swift]

I have no idea

[storm heron]

speed run turning brain off from new player account

[stark quiver]

New account plan to become a “mid game” player

[sweet delta]

CN bros did it in 16 days but they broke tos to do it

[soft raft]

Yup
Haku and Shinano are basically the only relevant perma IJN CVs for most of the content where it would manner

[storm heron]

which is absolutely good since they don't have to keep asking here in gph and just freely upgrading ships without much consequences

[viscid swift]

uhhh

[soft raft]

you sure about that?

[viscid swift]

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion

[wind hazel]

this is the part where i ehhsex you earlier

[storm heron]

I mean remember like we tell new player to do things in beginner guide so they can level the ships they want?

[stark quiver]

Does bro not want people to get game play help in game play help

[wind hazel]

i never tell people to level whatever they want before raising the good ships

[storm heron]

and my setup is just the answer to "when can I freely level ships I want without much consequences"

[viscid swift]

we tell them what we do in the beginner guide so they can yes get to a comfortable position but also to help learn the game and make informed decisions on whatever they want to do in the future

[stark quiver]

I think the million dollar question in gph is “why”

[viscid swift]

how do you even define this point

[stark quiver]

Why we do this and do that, making a checklist to brainlessly follow isn’t gonna help them

[storm heron]

being able to clear a c6 healing abyssal

since that's the only gated reward

[viscid swift]

and why is that the the point exactly

[soft raft]

If you just plop a whole bunch of info and a comp in front of some newbie and go "now go get these ships and gear"

They dont get a chance to ask why you want them to get those things and thus have no context to further inform their own decisions later on and probably lapse into typical newbie mistakes

[viscid swift]

like why not 13-4, 14-4, or 15-4, clearing harbiter, etc

[storm heron]

maybe cause their reward are not significant enough compared to the freedom of levelling ships they want

[viscid swift]

players do things for different reasons and have different things they want to do,
our job is to inform people about the game and help them in their endeavors and on occasions some course correcting

[soft raft]

dawg a healing Abyssal is not that difficult
it's a DPS Check

[viscid swift]

and I mean, you can pretty much start leveling whatever when you get to 12-4

by that point you have access to the best farming spot in the game

[barren tapir]

i disagree with that seeing as i have 0 UR bbs and can do all c6 abyssals except BB on auto, including healing+shielding one

and the reason i cant do BB is cos my timing/syncing is off and i get blown up, not cos i lack damage

[viscid swift]

if you have no intentions of pushing further then OpSi serves little purpose

[sharp socket]

what is cooking this time

[storm heron]

cooking a strategy

[stark quiver]

Absolutely nothing

[viscid swift]

absolute bull shit that's what

[storm heron]

absolutely bullshit?

[sharp socket]

i see cheeky mildly pissed so something must be happening

[storm heron]

damn ok then ig

[late flame]

just 🍿

[soft raft]

Just drop it at this point man
you are clearly going nowhere with this, it doesnt sound like a good idea at all

and ngl it reminds me of that one guy who had that speed progression thing but 💳 edition

[fast steppe]

if I just do the rest of the daily sp stages will I have enough to get second copy

[stark quiver]

No

[soft raft]

no

[storm heron]

no, go farm

[barren tapir]

your theory makes no sense anyway, although i will say midgame being comfortably clearing all high-reward content makes sense? (ezmode ch12, ch12hm, ezmode events, can do normal EX, 3 fight meta fight maybe, can do all abyssals (hardest ones potentially with a bit of manual) and can make headway but not defeat harby)

[fast steppe]

how much more do I need

[spring bolt]

hmmmm, tried shima +5 rld to simulate z52
you are right about 113, can't make it 3 firings per cycle with normal stuffs
but you can make twin 100 consistently firing 2 times per cycle, effectively bring it to about 0.8s per shot
buff involved: 26 dd rld, uni rld buff, gold burn. all regular stuffs

[viscid swift]

at minimum you need to buy 155 vouchers with event points

[fast steppe]

only got 2k oil left

[viscid swift]

you can earn a lot throughout the course of the event

[fast steppe]

if it's 800 currency per day from sp stages I should have enough right

[soft raft]

you got like 2 weeks left tog rind
a good chunk of time

If anything, you can at least guarentee the 200 cost one without buying a single voucher

[stark quiver]

cheeky how much event pts are you at

[storm heron]

unfortunate

[viscid swift]

you ned 23250 event points then

[viscid swift]

30680

[fast steppe]

so if I just do sp for a few more days wouldn't I have more than enough

or does sp cap at some point

[storm heron]

[barren tapir]

why the reactions

[sweet delta]

Yes any external rld buff can bring the 100 kai down . Base oathed with max tech though cannot

[stark quiver]

Low cost maxxing

[barren tapir]

im not too far behind, 26310 currently

[soft raft]

800 * 11 is uhhhhhhhh

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[viscid swift]

no, SP plus daily missions(clar hard mode and 15 victories) and daily first clear bonus on normal mode maps is 25k event points

[barren tapir]

haven't done todays SP yet

[stark quiver]

But are you using a 1:1 in b3

[sharp socket]

i would be at 30k+ if i didnt farm so much 12-4 before event

[wind hazel]

you'll realize it's high because he's using low oil fleet

so he's doubling your grind time

[fast steppe]

plus the 19k I have already makes 27k no? am I missing something

[sweet delta]

You need enough external rld though, I dont believe oath, max tech, and goldburn can do it

[barren tapir]

no im a casual doing d3 like normal people i dont have the gear/xfleets to comfortably do low oil event at a rate where it'd even be profitable

[sharp socket]

is it that high? i thought grinders would be at 40-50k by now

[stark quiver]

Tldr cheeky spend too much time in al

[viscid swift]

I'm not even grinding B3 anymore, back to 12-4

[barren tapir]

so he's just spending the time i spend in c1 in low oil event. same deal

[stark quiver]

Bro got 30k and dipped

[viscid swift]

SP, daily missions, and normal daily clear will get me to 55k

[soft raft]

if you dont have anything else you want from the shop yeah ig

honestly didnt even notice that 19k until I looked at the screenshot again

[sharp socket]

i didnt math but i think id need 73k

[fast steppe]

already pulled hipper so

[wind hazel]

i dont think you realize the time difference lol, and he has 6k point ahead of you

[barren tapir]

all i know is im definitely needing the 2nd z52 so its a big grind for me

[sharp socket]

unless i just skip 2nd z52

[fast steppe]

just need a little extra for the crystals and I'm about done

[barren tapir]

like i said, i could simply chuck all the time i spend in c1 into event if i was capable of low costing

[spring bolt]

tried uni buff or gold burn alone, it was not consistent, it will bounce between 1cycle 1 shot and 1 cycle 2 shots

[barren tapir]

i think you underestimate how much time i spend in c1 with just occasional triple runs of d3

[stark quiver]

Daily clear as in doing every single stage for 3x?

[wind hazel]

yes but the point is, he's at 30k................. hence the

[viscid swift]

yes

[barren tapir]

and im only 4k behind while playing the event normally so i dont think it's that big a deal. 3k once i do sp

[sharp socket]

is the because its low or because its high

[stark quiver]

Ima just stick to 1:1

[wind hazel]

... nvm

[storm heron]

B3, low oil, noteshiro

[barren tapir]

if i had grinded only the event and ignore my opsi farming i could be above that easily since d3 is much faster, and if i was capable of b3 i would be comparably high

[wind hazel]

wow you finally got the point

[barren tapir]

again, 30k is not smth to be shocked by tho

[wind hazel]

D3 makes more points for shorter time.

AND you're still below his point!!!

please finally get the point

[barren tapir]

yeah because i barely grind it? ive been spending 85-90% of my gameplay in c1 like ive said repeatedly...

[sharp socket]

i would like to see if all your c1 farming actually gives considerable speedup to doing hard content

[wind hazel]

ok nvm

[barren tapir]

nah its just me getting cdc done without spending oils and "grinding" cube/gems

[bold stream]

Hello all. When and who uses this? This plane only has 2 torps...

[viscid swift]

it's one of the 4 best converging TBs

[soft raft]

it's mainly used as timing adjustment

[elfin hollow]

good tb

[sharp socket]

yeah so if that makes you clear w14/w15 faster id like to see that

[barren tapir]

it also lets me lazily do event d3s on full morale for maximum exp. tho at this point i dont think i need to bother due to cogs. but i like keeping my ships happy when possible

[stark quiver]

The reactions was because they were grinding with a 1:1 fleet in a low stage, which takes more time and is a lot slower, no shit you’d be higher if you farmed more in D3 with a full fleet

[barren tapir]

well it won't because i have 0 intention of progressing campaign anytime soon

[sharp socket]

i feel like ive had this conversation before

[barren tapir]

we have

[wind hazel]

[soft raft]

[viscid swift]

the real benefit is I still have 10k oil left to grind 12-1

[barren tapir]

and i would be probably on par if i could do b3

[sweet delta]

I feel like this kind of conversation can go in a thread or dms

[viscid swift]

and I've been grinding 12-1 on the side over the past few days

[sharp socket]

...nevermind

[elfin hollow]

STOPFIGHTING

[wind hazel]

no

[barren tapir]

no ones fighting anyway it's just a misunderstanding

[storm heron]

btw It's okay to grind D3 with full fleet if I am playing casually right?

[barren tapir]

yes

[stark quiver]

yea
thats what most of the player base does

[plain saffron]

Yes

[soft raft]

D3 has oil cap so there's basically no reason to do anything less than full fleets

[barren tapir]

i successfully 1:1 d3 but it didnt feel worth it to me ^

[storm heron]

my little E account is casual so probably just gonna do that

[viscid swift]

yes, I do B3/B1 farming but note I've never actually ever recced it

[elfin hollow]

u play on 2 accs?

[sweet delta]

2 servers I would hope not 2 accounts

[spring bolt]

~~me doing rof math and suddenly come back to see a hot arguments ~~

[late flame]

smh folks with too much time

[storm heron]

wait what happen if 2 account

[barren tapir]

how many crossfleets and top end gears do i need to begin considering being capable of doing b3/b1 farming

[elfin hollow]

isnt a different server different account?

[barren tapir]

id like to post yk2 event cos i always find myself short on coins during events

[wind hazel]

different server same account

[plain saffron]

Same email

[storm heron]

can I not play like say, other's account?

[soft raft]

think of a different server as a different savef ile

[stark quiver]

tos happens

[soft raft]

that is most likely against the game's TOS

[barren tapir]

would amagi + rumey + yk2 + z52 be enough?

[elfin hollow]

thats why its a new acc basically

[storm heron]

[eternal moth]

Sharing accounts is against TOS

[plain saffron]

Technically against ToS. Is iit enforced, who knows

[sweet delta]

Then you get banned probably nothing happens just like how people can hack the game locally with no consequences

[storm heron]

I mean server yes, little E server

[barren tapir]

then what's the minimum requirement

[viscid swift]

Yorktown 2's is shit and only for like 3 of 5 or 6 battles so no

[plain saffron]

People hack the game?

[late flame]

just post screenshots and leme make a report to find out

[stark quiver]

i mean technically no one knows if you just dont tell people

[barren tapir]

oh then indep i guess would be my best 3rd

[sharp socket]

cn data collection be like

[stark quiver]

indep isnt doing shit

[elfin hollow]

yea the wall of shame is disappointing

[plain saffron]

The data collection is not hack though

[viscid swift]

comfortably, I would say you want to be able to field a full cross fleet fleet

[barren tapir]

then how much do i need to be able to do it

[sweet delta]

I'm talking to one of them right now

[eternal moth]

What would be the absolute best crossfleet?

[elfin hollow]

imagine hacking in a 2d chibi game

[plain saffron]

Damn crazy

[soft raft]

Full Gacha UR BB spam and then whatever vanguard crossfleets you have

[stark quiver]

musashi,alsace

[barren tapir]

damn i feel like its gonna take forever then

[storm heron]

I'm not against the TOS, I am using different server instead of account

[sweet delta]

That's botting not hacking

[viscid swift]

and remember not all cross fleets are created equal

[plain saffron]

Yes that fine

[late flame]

+cross fleets are not really worth fussing over

[soft raft]

then that's perfectly fine

[barren tapir]

i want to be able to do low oil so i can farm ch12

[storm heron]

this, some cross fleets have exercise gear, which means lower fp on the BBs for example

[viscid swift]

well for low cost event farming...

[sharp socket]

running an automation script is not hacking?

[plain saffron]

No

[viscid swift]

what

[soft raft]

Exercise gear?
Tf does that mean

[barren tapir]

what

[plain saffron]

Hacking is modifying the game to be different than it should be

[elfin hollow]

pvp

[barren tapir]

i mean i have plenty of time to play, that's why i do c1

i guess ill just stick to c1 and wait another year?

[late flame]

if i can hack first thing i'm deleting bache from game

[storm heron]

if you are sharing crossfleet with exercise ships, your crossfleet lower damage since most od their equipments have lower fp comparred to if they were not used in exercise

[viscid swift]

again, what

[plain saffron]

You can do that already by retiring her

[eternal moth]

I was able to get enough stats to run D2 on a 2 week old account

[soft raft]

Since when can you use cross fleet barrages in Exercises?

[barren tapir]

minmaxing pvp

[late flame]

eh, #pvp

[stark quiver]

wait so ur strat is grind to 30k, and just switch to doing dailies over the course of the event?

[barren tapir]

but yeah there's basically no chance of me low oiling events until i get 6 good crossfleets then?

[viscid swift]

pretty much

[storm heron]

for example, my musashi probably deals lower cross fleet damage and it might cause me to fail low oiling since she is using pvp items

[soft raft]

[sharp socket]

have you tried gearswap

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't say no chance but you'll lose a lot of consistency

[late flame]

bro never heard of swapping gears

[soft raft]

if your Musashi is failing low oil then you are definetly doing something wrong

like using a UR BB for "Low oil cost farming" in the first place

[barren tapir]

or maybe i can do 1:1 d3

[elfin hollow]

just switch her gear??

[wind hazel]

he's talking about the crossfleet, not using musashi herself...

[barren tapir]

would 1:1 save enough oil for ch12 to be worth it for future events...this ones kinda annoying to do it on

[storm heron]

I'm just making an example of his point

[stark quiver]

yes

[viscid swift]

Alsace, Musashi, Soyuz all use PvP gear

I clear fine with no issue

[sharp socket]

you also dont need to minmax CF for it to work

[viscid swift]

heck a some of my cross fleet ships aren't even geared

[sharp socket]

like if you really wanted itd be rainbows and double black shell

[eternal moth]

I think it depends on the 1:1 and how much oil you're actually saving over say, D1 or D3

[stark quiver]

i dont gear my xfleet ships

[barren tapir]

1:1 in d3 i mean*

[stark quiver]

why d3

[barren tapir]

to have more oil to spend in ch12 for better coins/cogs

[sweet delta]

Yeah my Musashi and soyuz cross fleet just left the crabby on 2 bars of HP

[storm heron]

see

[sweet delta]

Should've put 460mm on

[sharp socket]

speaking of which i just realised my fdg doesnt have a main gun and ive been farming opsi for a couple hours

[viscid swift]

been there

[storm heron]

yeah exactly, imagine bb with shell vs bb with wnt

[viscid swift]

I highly doubt that's gonna make a difference

[storm heron]

but suchi said it made difference

[stark quiver]

i forgot to gear my ships in 1:1 farming
they died

[barren tapir]

i spose i can just get more oil from c1

[viscid swift]

that was a joke

[storm heron]

waht

[sweet delta]

Not for you, but for people with a worse low oil setup it could increase the chance of failure by 0.1%

[soft raft]

the exercise gear effects dont even work outside of exercises anyways

[wind hazel]

blaster...

[storm heron]

80 fp vs eva and acc

[wind hazel]

i feel like you're reading doggo's point from a totally different plane of discussion entirely

[stark quiver]

yo
how much pts does each daily mission give for event

[storm heron]

unless crossfleet somehow take eva and acc stats into account

[sweet delta]

He's in 4D

[viscid swift]

150+300+300

unless you mean normal mode

[soft raft]

same as usual

[barren tapir]

300 for build, 300 for victories, 150 for hard mode campaign

[stark quiver]

thx its time to calculate

[barren tapir]

...don't they? to determine hit rate?

but idk if its from the crossfleeter or the flagship

cursed question: what's the best permanent UR crossfleet

[storm heron]

uvh

[wind hazel]

uvh

[sweet delta]

Can you even more than fill a fleet with permanent URs?

[stark quiver]

no
thats gacha urs btw

[storm heron]

unless you count warspite, no

[barren tapir]

on a scale of 1 to cursed would it be a very bad idea to get uvh for fleet tech and her crossfleet, since i wouldnt be mlbing/making any perm ur usable anytime remotely soon? i assume shinano is only good when mlb as usual

[wind hazel]

im still on shinano>shinano>shinano>shinano>shinano>uvh>the rest

[storm heron]

idk if low fleeting is better than being able to upgrade 3 shot meta to 2 shot and save some ap from healing

[viscid swift]

1 to be honest

[barren tapir]

that would require shinanos (as in 5 of them)

[undone plover]

uvh cross is good but prob not enough for low cost
i do recall doing my first b1 low cost with unzen shima guam and uvh only in x-fleet

[stark quiver]

yea

[viscid swift]

still wouldn't prioritize her over Shinano though especially since you have Amagi CV

[barren tapir]

pretty sure i can reach 2x meta fight before shinano gets remotely close to mlb

[keen sable]

uvh conks out at 5

[barren tapir]

im at like 700k on taihou meta iirc? give or take

[soft raft]

?
what does AP have to do with META Showdown?

[viscid swift]

UvH is actually really good for low costing B3 this event

but less so on regular occasions

[barren tapir]

once i get avp to make meta bosses stop moving like assholes it should be easy to 2 fleet

[sharp socket]

are rainbow quint mag or rainbow sub torp any good

[stark quiver]

yes

[sweet delta]

Both are good

[barren tapir]

would it significantly delay me to do uvh -> 5x shinanos?

[stark quiver]

yes

[undone plover]

i wonder if marco polo tosa and shimakaze is enough to low cost b1

[wind hazel]

just count how many times you hit pity from your <1 year of playing

[barren tapir]

with the implication of the 0lb uvh actually having a use and shinano having no use until there's 5 of her (2000 non-UR event cubes)

[viscid swift]

considering that could be a few months worth of pity build up lost yes

[stark quiver]

i got shinano and bulin'd her
had i waited i wouldnt be able to one shot stuff

[soft raft]

^
I've only hit perma pity like three times and it's already almost a year since that whole system even started

[sharp socket]

i think i hit pity twice this year and the 2nd time was solely because of tlr collab

[sweet delta]

Ey dont worry about it, next JP anni UR power creeps Shinano

[soft raft]

Finally Amagi Ni

[wind hazel]

sorry but it's loli Yamato time

[eternal moth]

Nah, it'll be Yamato power creeping Sushi

[barren tapir]

idk when i could realistically bulin her considering the standard now seems 6 URs a year + 4 reruns (eventually to be 6 reruns once guam+laffey come in early 2026)

even with double URs saving you 1 bulin idk how one even keeps up to be able to lb perm URs (and by that point, musashi would also be a good pickup most likely)

[viscid swift]

I've hit it uhhh 4 times this year

[stark quiver]

that 100 collection do be looking nice huh

[viscid swift]

at 99.9% currently

[barren tapir]

honestly im not too concerned with meta oneshots

[viscid swift]

just realized I actually need more than 55k this event so back to B3 for me

[barren tapir]

id like to pick whichever gives me higher quality of life in both the short term and long term/comfortableness/ease of use

[nocturne glade]

os there a way to make morale regen faster in the dorms? Keep running out while grinding the event

[stark quiver]

for 2nd copy?

[viscid swift]

yep, and the gear skins

[stark quiver]

takagi moment

[storm heron]

loli Yamato mentioned (probably never coming though since oh well)

[nocturne glade]

i see, ty!

[undone plover]

I would personally still bulin shinano
u can save the perma pity for the other perma URs
bulin income is good and u can skip the occassional new UR

[barren tapir]

uvh does have bb rld

[soft raft]

wouldnt you also need to reserve 8k for HipperM

And another 8k for her crystals if you dont get her to drop from B/D3

[viscid swift]

unironically for cross fleet work NJ would be better usually than UvH

[stark quiver]

fuck hipper meta

[barren tapir]

i mean in an ideal world i would, but when that would be possible i don't know

plus musashi will likely come perm in 2025 and i'd definitely want her as well

[storm heron]

get in what

[soft raft]

I saw what you typed there you bastard lol

[wind hazel]

i misunderstood the "fuck"

[sweet delta]

That comment was way out of line

[viscid swift]

yes but that has already been factored into my calcs

[undone plover]

i forgot but 0 lb UR is good for x fleet right?
so somone could get 1 copy each of uvh/nj/shima and have decent x fleet?

[storm heron]

I mean im new started it first

[viscid swift]

yes, as cursed as that would be

[soft raft]

Fair enough
I should get around to mathing mine too lol, been slacking on the grind

[stark quiver]

ima just farm b3 until i get her

[barren tapir]

by skipping musashi rerun i managed to just barely get sufficient bulins for rumey, z52, and yk2 (and wasnt intentional per se, i was just very worried for the collab)

if they keep up this sort of pace i either gotta skip more modern URs in favor of shinano (which sure i can see the benefit of that, but i dont think it feels so good) or leave shinano waiting a long ass time

[warm condor]

Does the Ruemy do more damage than amagi?

[stark quiver]

against?

[sweet delta]

Depends on the enemy and their gear

[soft raft]

they dont really overlap with eachother

[viscid swift]

at this point I would say Shinano has higher priority for bullins for you than Fritz

[warm condor]

General gameplay - events, dailies, thjat kind of stuff

[soft raft]

that is a vauge af answer

[undone plover]

u also want to MLB implacable and zwei (and potentially unzen )
honestly dont get ahead of yourself
take it easy
Be careful what u MLB but dont worry too much about it
sometimes u get lucky from events and get multiple UR copies as well which is a small help

[warm condor]

Well I needed a German Main for the Goble ship lab quest.

[viscid swift]

Shinano Amagi CV combo is one hell of a drug

[soft raft]

for events, URs are pratical overkill already

[barren tapir]

i can definitely see why that is but rumey is cool and managed to win me over (i was originally actually going to just 3 a day and go)

[warm condor]

I still need Goble no?

[stark quiver]

goble?

[warm condor]

I have Heinrich and Helena and randoms for vanguard

[barren tapir]

and i went to 113 (25% of happening) for her so i feel obligated to use her

[sharp socket]

im going to assume u mean friedrich de grosse

[warm condor]

Grobe

[viscid swift]

don't, I went to like 300 cubes for Le Terrible and didn't touch her for years.....

[eternal moth]

FdG?

[nocturne glade]

as f2p can I just vow my waifus or are the extra stats non negotiable?

[soft raft]

FdG pog yes
but then simply just use three german backliners

[barren tapir]

vow your waifus

[viscid swift]

same with Minneapolis

[wind hazel]

no, she's goble now.

but you have alternatives in that, no need to use fritz

[nocturne glade]

nice, ty!

[soft raft]

tatical oathing is for 💳 people

[barren tapir]

gobles

[eternal moth]

She's a battleship, so your frontliners don't matter

[warm condor]

That's my issue, i have no german backliner - Just This new UR

[soft raft]

go farm divergent chessboard then
otherwise just Fritz by her lonesome will take ages

[sharp socket]

look into medal shop and war archives

[wind hazel]

tirpitz moment

[barren tapir]

have fun with the ugly sisters

[viscid swift]

or GZ from the ticket

[eternal moth]

Yeah, Graf, Tirpitz and Fritz would make it easy

[warm condor]

So Fritz wants other German chicks in main?

[eternal moth]

That;s not what we said

[warm condor]

Wait wait..is she a boss or mob unit?

[viscid swift]

no, but 3 IB main fleets is much faster than just 1 to grind XP

[soft raft]

Well that 3.6 Million wont grind itself quick if you only have 1 german grinding XP for her

[warm condor]

Darn 3m!

[eternal moth]

To clarify, this is for farming FdG

[viscid swift]

3.6 million

[stark quiver]

how long does it take to grind 150 bps for a single ship left in a season

[wind hazel]

get Graf from this, then go to war archive divergent chessboard and get Gnei+Scharn

[warm condor]

Which stage in war games for other German chick backline?

[undone plover]

~2 weeks I would say if she is the last one

[warm condor]

Found it

[viscid swift]

I'd say 12 a day is reasonable so 13 days or 2 weeks

[stark quiver]

thx

[spring bolt]

and check if you got any german backlines when building fritz...

[barren tapir]

this is true though. shinmagivp would probably kick major butt, right?

[warm condor]

Oh I got Weser I got no BB

[viscid swift]

yes

overall I'd say moreso than any other CV combo you could reasonably put together right now

[soft raft]

CVs count for FdG XP
They just need to be of the proper faction and applicable hulltype category

[wind hazel]

just get the two sisters then

[warm condor]

In the chessboard?

[wind hazel]

yes, your ticket can be anyone else you want

[warm condor]

ticket?

[wind hazel]

~_~ the one i showed above..

[eternal moth]

I'd still take Graf over just about anyone else, just for the tech points

[barren tapir]

how about rumey vs yk2 or am i ok to go for yk2 for waifu reasons?

[wind hazel]

or if you wanna be lazy you can invite graf/bismarck, farm 1 of the sister

[stark quiver]

id go with yk2 personally

[viscid swift]

I'd say they're about evenly matched

[barren tapir]

ty

[viscid swift]

Yk2 better against light, Fritz is better against medium but for that you need La-9s so.....

[undone plover]

ykii works with kear and enty tho

[coarse heron]

people already have 55k
do you guys even sleep

[wind hazel]

no

[viscid swift]

what is sleep

[misty tree]

55? I just passed 25!

[spring bolt]

well, i would suggest against farming wa now, as geni drops from b1 d1

[coarse heron]

I felt good for already being at 20k

[stark quiver]

in every game there are dalaos

[barren tapir]

well kear is a long long way of but i do have enty (hypothetically - im just lazy to pick her up atm but she will be obtained before 2025)

altho enty is going to have to wait for mlb since i dropped aquila who is both ITALIAN waifu and stronk af

[eternal moth]

Seriously? I've done quite a few runs of D1 and haven't seen her yet. Bad luck I guess

[barren tapir]

but i can definitely mlb enty in january in time to buddy buddy with yk2

[viscid swift]

yep

[stark quiver]

how kear,enty,yk2 anti light gear look

[viscid swift]

how many HVARs

[undone plover]

if u have amagi i would mlb shinano over ykii tbh

[stark quiver]

as many as needed to make the best

[viscid swift]

and Skyraiders

because the answer would be 4 and 2

[stark quiver]

lets go with 1 skyraider

[barren tapir]

i have enough for 3

z52 feels like a nobrainer atm
shinano over rumey makes sense and she is fox

so the final comes down to rumey vs yk2 and yk2 is waifu

could skip z52 for rumey (would take longer though) but could use a stronger vg than collab pinks

[undone plover]

that is good
U would ideally want to mlb implacable sometime in April as well but u will probably get enough bulins by then for her and the new UR

[viscid swift]

Z52 is honestley looking to have a lot of potental

[barren tapir]

if i do z52 over rumey i should have enough for feb UR to compare her to rumey then, so i feel like that makes the most sense

[viscid swift]

she may really become the jack of all trades vanguard

[wind hazel]

just wait until the rerun happens. who knows you pull 10 yk2 from the free tix

[barren tapir]

i sure hope so

[sweet delta]

We may be biased because taihou is heavy. Ply does more damage than z52 against light and medium

[viscid swift]

just use them both

[undone plover]

tbf ply also needs +13 UR gun

[barren tapir]

(it's okay i will have ply soon as well. maybe not her gun though )

[eternal moth]

Why?

[undone plover]

i meant to beat z52 I assume?

[barren tapir]

why +13 specifically

[wind hazel]

we measure them at their best capability

[viscid swift]

3 main gun mounts

[barren tapir]

is the comparison different than +10 and +10 for budget

[sweet delta]

Yeah idk why +13, let's talk about +14 instead

[barren tapir]

oh i can see ply scaling more with gear yeah

[viscid swift]

well Z52s best gun looks like the 113mm which gains very little from +13

[spring bolt]

ply isn't affected that much anyway
it's hind that is sweating

[barren tapir]

im only at 31/50 but ply is at 400/513 so theyll probably finish around the same time 🔮

[sweet delta]

When's the last time you used hind

[wind hazel]

feel like hind's sweat already evaporated long ago

i've only used her for one meta and never

[soft raft]

I just stuck her in my OpSI mob

[spring bolt]

same, opsi mob

[nocturne glade]

only at 13k atm cause I dont have much time to play, can I look to get 2 copies of Z52 before the event ends farming D1? (pretty new, so dont have the reqs for D2 and 3)

[sweet delta]

You should be able to get the D3 missions done within a week

After leveling up on D1

[eternal moth]

It only took me about a day of farming to get from D1 to D2

[nocturne glade]

I see, the main problem I'm facing is the average ship level, since I'm still onefleetimg

[eternal moth]

So am I.

[sweet delta]

Rotate one or two good lowlevel ships into D1 safe

[nocturne glade]

gotcha, ty!

[eternal moth]

This is what I've been doing. I started with the typical beginner fleet, and then rotated in Riche and Enty once they were around level 70

[nocturne glade]

most of the other fleet is 70-80 so I guess i'll do the same

[zinc prairie]

how many Wyvern and Tenrai are enough? (for casual players)

[stark quiver]

does completeling partial retrofit nodes on a ship increase it's oil cost