gameplay-help

[vestal glen]

this one?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[vestal glen]

interesting but ok

[rain hearth]

isn't the single barreled better
faster fire rate

[sinful escarp]

gold doesnt mean better

[vestal glen]

you mean the single 127?

[rain hearth]

the one on laffey

assuming sandy is retrofit

[vestal glen]

yes sandy alr retrofit

[atomic abyss]

The single 127 isn't a good gun

For sandy, it's either twin 100 or twin 120 for you

[vestal glen]

you mean that golden twin 100?

[rain hearth]

yh
but we need fast fire rate
it triggers barrage with each shot

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[whole crypt]

you only want a fast gun if the gun damage is really shit compared to proc damage

[atomic abyss]

The single 127 rof isnt high lol

[rain hearth]

it's faster than that

[vestal glen]

is it better on wakatsuki or sandy?

[rain hearth]

i know cause i have sandy retro

[atomic abyss]

But the gun damage is worse by comparison
And the shell travels slowly and is more likely to miss

If you wanted rof while retaining damage, the twin 100 is better

[atomic abyss]

100 for sandy, 120 for waka

[rain hearth]

that one has normal ammo
shit modifiers

[atomic abyss]

It doesn't tho

/armour

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/877421174114631700/1020079467672125481/Ammo_Modifiers_Chart_AL_updated_9-15-22.jpg

[rain hearth]

look
much worse than he

[atomic abyss]

See the issue is you cannot just look at ammo type and call it a day

[rain hearth]

or even ap

[atomic abyss]

Not when the gun itself is much worse

[whole crypt]

AP gun mods is a joke for DD guns

there's literally only 2 good DD guns that are AP, one is lab gold one is event limited

[slow fox]

z46 in shambles

[atomic abyss]

The issue with the single 127, is that it seems to have better fire rate

[rain hearth]

yh
which makes normal even more of a joke

[atomic abyss]

The thing is, in practice it really doesn't

[vestal glen]

guys cmon not this again.....

[whole crypt]

armour mods isn't the only thing that matters

[wind hazel]

lmao

[atomic abyss]

Because there are hidden values the game doesn't tell you

[whole crypt]

also DD norm is fine against light armour which works out

[atomic abyss]

The single 127 has one of the longest volley times amongst DD guns

[rain hearth]

?
isn't that fixed minimum only for bb guns

[atomic abyss]

It also has really slow shell travel time

[rain hearth]

as far as i remember it applies only to bb volleys

[vestal glen]

oh ye shud i use this on unicorn or save for a stronger cv focused on dmg?

[atomic abyss]

This means your single 127 shells not only fire at the same rate as twin 120

They are ALSO more likely to miss

[whole crypt]

that's like saying drake gun and cheshire gun are jokes because they're normal ammo, it depends on the overall stat of the guns and the use case

[vestal glen]

on second thought is this even a good drop or a bad gold drop

[atomic abyss]

The 0 is barely faster than existing fighters
At the cost of having only a fraction of the damage
There's 0 use in using it

[gusty olive]

Is Halford's planes good for Kearsarge?

[atomic abyss]

She can't use them

[vestal glen]

ok that means it sucks, damn my luck haizz

[whole crypt]

Halford's plane are seaplanes can't go on Kearsarge

[vestal glen]

so far opening crates only get me the 100mm double

[atomic abyss]

Look for British and American fighters from boxes

Japanese and German fighters from tech boxes are all bad

[rain hearth]

i don't know about those
but i do know this
and the hidden minimum is for arcing volley guns

[whole crypt]

what hidden minimum

[atomic abyss]

Volley time exists for all guns

[whole crypt]

VT is VT

[atomic abyss]

And it's especially consequential on frontliners

[late flame]

guy doesnt know when to give up

[atomic abyss]

Because the VT and shell travel time have much larger impacts on damage

Precisely because the gun reload time is so small to begin with

[vestal glen]

so the ones that are good are only 100mm, 120, and nothing else?

[atomic abyss]

The single 127 is shit for the same reasons the gold 127 is

[whole crypt]

doesn't BB gun reload also start after first salvo but vanguards with multiple mounts eat VT in full every round

[gusty olive]

Oh...

[vestal glen]

now that i think abt it, how useful is the steam catapult for cvs?

[atomic abyss]

Twin 120 is the best poverty option for damage dealing DD guns
The twin 100 for rof while also having damage

The blue single 76 which you don't have for ships with no gun damage but want high rof

[rain hearth]

yh
you guys are right
my bad

[vestal glen]

i got one not used at all here

[atomic abyss]

It's their best gear

[whole crypt]

catapults are generally bis for all carriers

[rain hearth]

i just checked wiki again for damage calculations

[rapid grail]

for the roomba AA enjoyers, what would be the build like? AA carry like Sandy using UR AA gun and the other 2 frontliners using roomba?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

And to be clear, the single 127 is a lot better than people would expect it to be

It's just... Still worse than the twin 120 in practice

[rain hearth]

yh
gonna change guns on sandy
i still hate the shit modifiers

[atomic abyss]

Realistically, at your point in the game, heavy armour is non existent
Med armour is dealt with by your CV, BB and CAs anyways

From a frontline DPS perspective, Sandy has always been light armour oriented anyways

[vestal glen]

btw is the tenzan good?

[atomic abyss]

It is a good transition gear for bossing CVs yes

[rapid grail]

yes it's good, look to crafting its kai version in gearlab for a good poverty conveging TB

[atomic abyss]

Especially if you lack gold barracudas

[vestal glen]

all i have is purple tenzan and purple barracuda

other than that is all blue

[atomic abyss]

I'm assuming you're still using 1 fleet

In which purple barra for both CVs

[whole crypt]

should I just give up and level the collab shits first

[vestal glen]

i use one on houshou meta and one on unicorn

[atomic abyss]

You seriously need to replace that Houshou meta...

[vestal glen]

then again its the tenzan and barracuda, only one of each

[vestal glen]

really finding a replacement, dk who to use

[rain hearth]

that reminds me
could you tell me what the gold and ur gear thing is for
it seems different from gold upgrade parts

[atomic abyss]

Ranger

[vestal glen]

wait really?

[whole crypt]

on the last enhance step past +10 it'll take those gear plates

[atomic abyss]

Which ones
I'm assuming it's the ones from operation siren

[rain hearth]

aren't those simple gold parts

[whole crypt]

so if you enhance purple gear to +11 (which you really shouldn't) or when you enhance gold/rainbow gear from 12 to 13

[rain hearth]

yh those

[atomic abyss]

You need both of them for +13

The parts and the gear thingys

[atomic abyss]

Well, yes

[rain hearth]

i see, thanks

[frank pulsar]

for the gold ones, purple equips will use 1 at +11, for gold equips itll use 5 at +13
rainbow ones are only used by rainbow gears at +13 (need 5 as well)

[atomic abyss]

But I'd hold off for now and see what the next event give us lol

[vestal glen]

fair

[rain hearth]

i said purple but i meant rainbow

[frank pulsar]

bad phrasing on my part mb

[vestal glen]

is there really nothing better than ranger here?

[rain hearth]

i got a single raindow gear part

[vestal glen]

and my bb lineup is also dead btw

[atomic abyss]

Well there is Lexington...

But she's just worse than Saratoga by all means

[whole crypt]

if Houshou META is MLB I you're probably fine continuing with her for now compared to the rest of your roster

[frank pulsar]

dont worry you get way more than you need
the gold ones are usually the ones that youll run out of

[atomic abyss]

If you had Saratoga I would suggest her anyways

[vestal glen]

meh i guess ill leave that at that then

[rain hearth]

as far as i remember
the other commons have terrible lvl 120 +1 stat thing but ranger has +1 avi

[vestal glen]

cant do much rn considering im alr too in for building them up

[whole crypt]

I think it was bogue with ASW but some of them are RLD tech

[atomic abyss]

Nevada and Okla have BB rld

Langley has CV rld

[rain hearth]

i mean from cvl

[atomic abyss]

Hermes I have no idea

[wind hazel]

it's not too bad, houshou has rld tech herself

[vestal glen]

how abt bbs then?

[atomic abyss]

Actually

[whole crypt]

nvm it's just Langley

[rain hearth]

good to know

[atomic abyss]

Musashi Darkness Unicorn

[late flame]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Fleet_Technology#Level_120_Stat_Bonuses

[vestal glen]

wait really?

[atomic abyss]

Is a significant upgrade from what you are already using

Though I cannot remember if Darkness needed flag

[vestal glen]

flag?

[atomic abyss]

Middle slot

[wind hazel]

i'd rather you just skip yami, and continue using your backline until UR event

[strange sphinx]

the middle position

[rain hearth]

hmm
i wouldn't recommend
cause you know collab ship

[wind hazel]

uninvested collab unit is a dead investment

need gold bulin, doesn't provide any tech, can't grind for PR

[atomic abyss]

What's wrong with them?

Gold collab ships in the last 3-4 years have all been great

[rain hearth]

i mean no stats from collab ships

[mellow cape]

Here we go again about the stats

[atomic abyss]

[rain hearth]

right?

[coarse heron]

Oh boy it’s the minmaxers again

[atomic abyss]

Mori, ffs

[rain hearth]

those +1

[sweet delta]

i'll take the easy path to midgame over some tech points

[wind hazel]

because it's a lv35 ship, it won't be any improvement for his fleet right now than what he is already using

[atomic abyss]

Why the fuck would a new player care about tech

[strange sphinx]

[wind hazel]

i'd rather invest the gold bulin next week

[atomic abyss]

It would, but it's a better investment than getting the Houshou higher

[wind hazel]

houshou doesn't take anything else anymore

[atomic abyss]

Cog chips

[wind hazel]

yami would take gold bulin away from what, enterprise, next week potential new ships

[rain hearth]

cause that ship is only lvl 35 anyway
not worth the gold bulins

[whole crypt]

just get her to 100 anyway and use her as chip comm runner

[wind hazel]

as if 2lb musashi+unicorn wouldn't already destroy whatever he gonna face

[atomic abyss]

He doesn't have enterprise
And we're thinking of ships that don't even exist yet

[whole crypt]

she's not that far now compared to rest of fleet might as well send her off instead of actual fleet members

[wind hazel]

this is the same logic as to tell people to hold off investing UR bulin

[atomic abyss]

Except UR bulins are significantly rarer

[atomic abyss]

Also this

[wind hazel]

and you think gold bulin isn't as rare for new player?

[vestal glen]

my UR bulins are focused on musashi rn, so gonna be stuck there for a while

[wind hazel]

unless he has like 10+ piled up

[vestal glen]

umm i have three unused gold bulin, thats it

[wind hazel]

🙂

[atomic abyss]

He needs time to level the Yami slowly anyways

Ultimately, that Yami will be used for fleet 2 anyways

There's no harm dumping her in non oil comms and have her level

[wind hazel]

no harm waiting until next thursday either

[atomic abyss]

Then just dump her in the comms and don't use the bulins yet

[wind hazel]

so in the end his backline is fine the way it is

[atomic abyss]

And once again I have to say

Recommending certain ships to new players cos of their tech when they're otherwise a shit ship

And the opposite

Is a really stupid argument

[vestal glen]

portland main gun?

[atomic abyss]

Tech is only for end game players

[wind hazel]

if he has no other option i would recommend yami too

you're really forgetting the importance of faction tech for new players

[vestal glen]

i got my bulins shredded when grinding for retrofit sandy

[atomic abyss]

The right most purple gun
Otherwise the 2nd right most purple gun

[vestal glen]

alright

[atomic abyss]

I'm sure Houshou meta provides faction tech

[clever lance]

How good is San Diego?

[wind hazel]

i was talking about houshou's rld tech at 120, eventually

[atomic abyss]

Extremely extremely good
Definitely one of the best CLs for campaign once retrofit

[wind hazel]

which isn't a bad long term investment since he already has her at lv9x

[atomic abyss]

But by no means a high priority to raise

[late flame]

great especially for world 13+ but she is expensive to retrofit + augment

[rain hearth]

not when talking about research ships

[clever lance]

I’m just noticing now that she’s tier 0 and was wondering why I never upgraded her

[rain hearth]

unless i am in end game

[atomic abyss]

Void, 120 tech is not faction tech tho
And it's not for research ships

[late flame]

i would take tiering with a pinch of salt anyway

[whole crypt]

San Diego is quite expensive, mainly

[spring bolt]

i would recommend raising sandy early, worth the investment especially when you have no UR to carry you

[rain hearth]

my point is
it won't give any tech points either
not worth it in my opinion personally

i think he should get some good ship from exchange and dumb the bulins into that

[clever lance]

What part of her is expensive? I’m looking at her retrofit tree and I think k I have enough resources for her

[rain hearth]

maybe hood like you guys recommend

[late flame]

her retrofit item costs half a UR bulin, for one

[spring bolt]

ender, just try a creating a new account, she's an early game experience changer

[atomic abyss]

You need about 56k gold for sandy

• 3 SR bulins
• Half a UR bulin for her mic

[rain hearth]

or an iron blood main for twch point

[atomic abyss]

21k gold for a Unique augment really is a game changer

[rain hearth]

personally
the hardest part is the t3 blueprints

[whole crypt]

my recommendation is just don't touch anything now and wait for event roster

[atomic abyss]

Also Helena is a far larger early gameplay changer

[rain hearth]

you get stuff for mike from starting missions anyway

that event thing

[atomic abyss]

Starter + port you're required to invest in by the game

[vestal glen]

any thoughts?

[subtle cloud]

is Taihou meta better than regular Taihou with her augment?

[atomic abyss]

For a second fleet sure
And to borrow Mori's words
Gold bulins are rate early on
Why invest them in sandy when I can invest them in. An SR backliner

[rain hearth]

same here
when was it again
just a few days now

[atomic abyss]

Worse, noticeably so it seems

[clever lance]

I happen to have enough blueprints lol

[subtle cloud]

unfortunate

[whole crypt]

coming Thu, and stream on Monday

[spring bolt]

21k gold isn't that much even for f2p
dude, in early game your carriers are 25s+, bbs only doing 30k damage per boss fight, helena is not going to change your game experience at all

[subtle cloud]

thanks for letting me know

[rain hearth]

regular taihou is pretty good compared to certain gold CV right

[whole crypt]

with aug yes

but depends on which CVs you're comparing to because we have jokes like Victorious

[subtle cloud]

so it'd be a waste of time for me to get the meta ver at least gameplay wise considering I have a raised taihou

[rain hearth]

i mean
formidable and illustrious can't compare either way
learnt that the hard way

[atomic abyss]

I would still do the bare minimum to get her

Metas don't take up dock space

There's no reason not to get her

[subtle cloud]

oh yeah true

[whole crypt]

Illustrious has her own niche that Taihou won't cover, Formidable is meh so yeh

[subtle cloud]

may as well then, thanks

[vestal glen]

anyone? also should I also use helena?

[spring bolt]

not for now

[rain hearth]

btw
i am going for renown in dossier
partly because i think she is decent and that i like her, thoughts?

[quartz jungle]

What is the damage difference between Sandy and Sandy Retrofit (both with augments)? With Sandy gaining 1 MGM and up to 45 FP at 125 + enhanced barrage, 70% damage increase after retrofit?

[atomic abyss]

Remove the toolbox from uni, give it to a vanguard like Waka or sandy
Remove the asw gear from sandy

[whole crypt]

Sandy no retro no aug has basically no surface damage

[atomic abyss]

Sorry, give it to Portland

[whole crypt]

Sandy retro and aug is among the top CL surface DPS

[vestal glen]

alright

[rain hearth]

lol
yh

[spring bolt]

sandy no retro with aug is kinda like, sandy retro with no aug, probably less

[rain hearth]

thoughts?

[whole crypt]

Renown META isn't bad but not great

[wind hazel]

just do it

[rain hearth]

compared to nagato and hood?

[atomic abyss]

Comparable to hood maybe

Nagato not comparable, she's a buffer mainly

[rain hearth]

naga is that good!?

[wind hazel]

opposite

[whole crypt]

Renown is actually okay for fastloading but not much else

[rain hearth]

did she get an aug
i remember her barrage just not working 60 percent of the time

[atomic abyss]

Not really
Firstly she's a BB not BC
Secondly she's only used in niche cases for her buffs
Her own damage is questionable

She's worse than them investment wise imo

[rain hearth]

oh
that's really sad

[rain hearth]

i only have two good bb
nj and colorado retro

cause warspite sucks apparently

[whole crypt]

NJ is fine, Colorado retrofit is passable
Hood is generally serviceable still and doesn't take extra effort in doing dossier

[rain hearth]

i saw at renown meta skills and thought she's great
is Hood really rhat good in comparison

[whole crypt]

Hood doesn't really taper until like 13 anyway

[rose cosmos]

Decent now?

[nocturne glade]

Having trouble beating 9-1 like this because my vanguard keeps dying, is it just lack of levels or am I missing something?

[sweet delta]

warspite is about as strong as colorado/renownmeta

[rain hearth]

holy
you call 5700 "decent"

[whole crypt]

levels, gear, LB, positioning all seem to be a problem

fleet power is irrelevant

[rose cosmos]

So it’s not then?

[rain hearth]

isn't it great

[nocturne glade]

I see, I guess ill think a bit harder, ty!

[whole crypt]

if you need more detailed help start a thread with the screenshots

[whole crypt]

that Musashi setup is fully serviceable

[nocturne glade]

gotcha

[spring bolt]

kinda why i promote one fleet to ch 12, as you don't have that much resources to spread into 2 fleets early game... and you will be forced to use bad ships to fill up the 2 fleet slots... on top of gear issues

[rain hearth]

wait why the seemingly terrible gun

if you table
surely you have that gold he iron blood bb gun

[wind hazel]

sir, musashi wants IJN gun

[boreal wagon]

you should probably read musashis skills

[rain hearth]

hahaha...

[wind hazel]

she loses a lot of damage from not using IJN main gun

[rain hearth]

no good gold ijn bb gun?

[wind hazel]

there is, but not as easily accessible

[whole crypt]

there's no good IJN HE gun or fast firing gun otherwise

[wind hazel]

and sucks if mobbing most of the time

[whole crypt]

legit my Musashi's current setup

[rose cosmos]

With yuudachi, is there any better dd gun with cheaper cost

[whole crypt]

(swap WNT for a shell if not PvP)

[jaunty vault]

thats the cheapest

[rose cosmos]

The ones they recommend are pricey

[sweet delta]

why cheap?

[wind hazel]

mog gun free from event 🧠

[sweet delta]

twin 130 from pr5 is pretty cheap

[rain hearth]

so you have to pull that gold ijn bb out of dreams huh
cause i see two ur gears

[pliant acorn]

Is it just me or the world 15 is much easier than w14?

[rain hearth]

must be really really rare

[whole crypt]

eh doesn't Yuudachi want 2 toolkits

[rose cosmos]

Why that

[whole crypt]

there are basically 4 guns you will use on Musashi
izumo gun
daisen gun
purple twin 410
purple twin 410 kai

[wind hazel]

because

[whole crypt]

there are no other IJN guns up there for any sort of regular use

[whole crypt]

high EVA low HP, better returns adding HP than EVA

[spring bolt]

is she dying? if not, change rudder to oxy

[whole crypt]

what if she's not dying but close to

[strange sphinx]

[rain hearth]

you aren't a nice skk...

[keen sable]

bad because depth charge lol

[rose cosmos]

Also boss fleet wise, should be good rite

[mellow cape]

Musashi is the only BB I have completely maxed out lol

[rose cosmos]

Also I've been running double aichi while people rec wyvern and the fighter

[wind hazel]

depends on which boss, like if w13 bosses i'd prefer some AA on vanguard

[mellow cape]

Tho I'm working on daisen gun for the bis from what I'm told

[wind hazel]

yes, usually you only use both converging tb at single target bossing

[strange sphinx]

is Aquila mob or boss fleet?

[spring bolt]

both

[late flame]

she can do both

[strange sphinx]

hmmm if so, what's her gear in Mob fleet. Just gonna exp farm

[spring bolt]

but considering many other ships do worse in boss than mob, you might end up using her in boss

[rose cosmos]

Is the gold kai better than the purple twins

[wind hazel]

fighter db tb

whatever best you have

[mellow cape]

Bossing yeah but mobbing I actually use the purple twins lol

[wind hazel]

if you need the healing then double fighter, but exp farm is pretty whatever

[mellow cape]

I'm not sure about daisen gun yet

And where it fits in between those two

[whole crypt]

depends on boss

[wind hazel]

if you don't have a lot of gun plates, just use the +13 izumo you already have

[spring bolt]

daisen gun = triple 410 with + 11 autoloader timing

[feral token]

is this the place to ask questions?

[wind hazel]

depends on what question you have

[feral token]

is there anything from the lexington server?

[whole crypt]

all servers are the same

[wind hazel]

uh... there are players there i guess?

other than different medal shop, the rest are the same

and sweaty pvp mafia

[feral token]

So I'm a player who has been playing since 2019

[late flame]

and..?

[feral token]

so i'm back now and i'm confused about azur lane for now hehe

[whole crypt]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips maybe start here

[feral token]

I stopped when I was still level 57

wow thanks

[sinful escarp]

also dont pull yet, there is an upcomming event with a UR ship

[feral token]

looks like i upgraded the ship wrong..

[atomic abyss]

Yea 57 is still newbie level really

[feral token]

yea:( i am newbie

[rose cosmos]

Amagi prefer dive bombs as main plane than fighter right?

[atomic abyss]

For heavy armour bossing in opsi and meta, yes

[feral token]

can i screenshot my ship? i dont know which one to upgrade

[atomic abyss]

Sure, put them into a thread

[feral token]

huh thread?

[atomic abyss]

A discord thread

[rose cosmos]

So something like this?

[feral token]

ohh ok thanks wait

[atomic abyss]

If you're gonna do bossing for opsi/meta, no wyverns

Converging TBs

[rose cosmos]

What do you rec? Aichi?

[atomic abyss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/460645783021289472/1317050476134531092/Screenshot_2024-11-22_234316.png?ex=675e97d7&is=675d4657&hm=c592c9439026e190ef376501a3d77f95c59f7121ed0ddbf1d577cfbebe3c8312&

[vestal glen]

wow, didnt think i would get a free one out of nowhere

arr now i have to save for another one.......all i can do is just grind away in campaign right?

[atomic abyss]

At your point, it's best to push content
Push to w9 shd be your goal now

[feral token]

Bulin!!

[vestal glen]

aight

but wait is my team even enough to get that far?

[atomic abyss]

Musashi and Unicorn shd carry the fleet enough

In fact

I'm pretty sure the biggest issue for you is the lack of commander levels

That would prevent you from even unlocking w9

[vestal glen]

wait theres another commander cap?

[wanton dawn]

is purple face better or blue face better for research?

[atomic abyss]

There's always commander level cap

The last content that's locked behind commander level cap is at 105

And that's for the final upgrade level of the lecture hall

[feral token]

how do i get gear?

[plain saffron]

for new players, tech boxes/packs mostly

[wanton dawn]

is it ok if i post the ships I have and ask for suggestions for pvp fleet?

[atomic abyss]

It would be better to go to #pvp then

[late flame]

check pinned message in #pvp

[atomic abyss]

Pvp meta is fairly different

[wanton dawn]

ah ok tysm

[vestal glen]

aw man i have to reach commander 60 for w8

[atomic abyss]

So you're stuck on 7-4 then?

[vestal glen]

ye

and im stuck at lvl 52 rn

[atomic abyss]

If I may suggest, perhaps take a trip to the war archives and do divergent chessboard

[vestal glen]

aight

i have 60 chips to begin with, better than nothing

[atomic abyss]

Get some German ships to help with your research academy progress in future

[vestal glen]

hmm, should i get the fuel from mail?because im running very low rn

[atomic abyss]

How much fuel in the mail do you have

[vestal glen]

15k ish

[atomic abyss]

Might as well

[vestal glen]

does it effect my ships' mood?

[hollow gust]

They could also buy the 5 dolla pack

[atomic abyss]

The only gameplay modes that don't affect morale are opsi and pvp

Well I must confess, it would also solve his carrier issues too

[hollow gust]

Honestly that pack along with the free Saratoga is a insane deal

[vestal glen]

funny thing i bought a 1 dollar pack on black friday, doesnt that count as recharge?

[feral token]

Should I spend it now or should I just save it?

[vestal glen]

should i use on musashi?

or should i just save because im 2 days away from getting the golden version from core shop

[atomic abyss]

It should

[atomic abyss]

Cubes? No save for next UR event
Which is likely next week

[vestal glen]

interesting, i didnt get my saratoga.....

and i bought like a good 3-4 packs

[feral token]

ok

[vestal glen]

should i report to support or smth? i still have the proof of payment

[atomic abyss]

I would still slot it on anyways

Tho if you have the white one, maybe buy the black one in the core shop instead

[feral token]

How do I know the gear I'm using is correct?

[atomic abyss]

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[atomic abyss]

Can refer to the first guide

[feral token]

hehe I think I'm still confused about this

[coarse heron]

That's what we're theoretically here for

[feral token]

I've seen it but I'm still confused

[sharp socket]

did you claim her

its at the bottom of the events menu

[vestal glen]

lemme check

i must be losing some iq

its been there for a month......

[sharp socket]

[atomic abyss]

Ok well

[vestal glen]

so, do i still upgrade her

[atomic abyss]

Yes

That is a cheap and excellent replacement for Houshou

[vestal glen]

fulmar or suisei for DB?

[atomic abyss]

Neither
Both are complete garbage
Purple Helldivers all the way

[spark ridge]

oh god i just collected her now too bc i saw this msg 💀

[atomic abyss]

[spark ridge]

i already had her maxed, so i never really looked to see if i claimed it lol

[vestal glen]

can i even run this in 7-4?

[atomic abyss]

Throw some combat data packs into Sara

And yes

[feral token]

Is there a ship tier list in this game?

if there is where can i see it?

[whole crypt]

there is but it's not very useful

[feral token]

ouh..

which ship do i choose?

[whole crypt]

for most part they're only for collection/tech

[atomic abyss]

None of them really

[feral token]

ok

[atomic abyss]

You have the important ones

[white bronze]

In OpSi why arent the ports unlocking ??

Only NY and Liverpool are available but dakar keil arent open

[atomic abyss]

Have you completed the opsi story yet?

[white bronze]

No

[atomic abyss]

For the neutral ports, you need to unlock a path to them

You should also want to complete the opsi story asap to unlock the monthly store/reset

[white bronze]

I am trying but i have reached till dakar

[shell willow]

how much is the dmg modifier increase from +10 to +11 on purple main gun again? (not sure if matters but its the musashi gun)

[atomic abyss]

What do you mean by unlock anyways

[tame jungle]

should be 5% damage

[jaunty vault]

wikibshould have the values

list of BB main guns page

[white bronze]

How do i get my ships to level up faster

[jaunty vault]

dorm+grind

[atomic abyss]

Use them in campaign
W12 is the prime exp grinding spot

[tame jungle]

oh i got it wrong it seems like it's 4%, 6% and 8% (i thought 5, 6 and 7)

[jaunty vault]

(i knew you were wrong)

[tame jungle]

[strange sphinx]

ok, what aurora do?

[atomic abyss]

Debuff enemy CL/DD evasion rates

Which becomes a very noticeable damage increase for backliners

[strange sphinx]

hmmm worth Investing?

[atomic abyss]

Yes
Tho not a very high priority

Like Sirius, she's for opsi/meta mainly

[strange sphinx]

hmmm I mean I just exp farming again so might upgrade her right

[atomic abyss]

Good to level her during Plymouth grind ye

[strange sphinx]

so imma wait to get my 2nd tenrai and I will move to PR 5

Actually I have Plymouth... still low star

[nocturne glade]

is it worth doing war archives for a steam catapult?

[late flame]

nope

[nocturne glade]

ok, ty!

[zinc prairie]

Flasher comp or Wolf Pack?

[jaunty vault]

either works

[late flame]

fishes perform similarly to wolf pack, though the former has a slight edge in survivability (more oxy)

[atomic abyss]

Flasher is better if you have all the parts

[white agate]

is it faster to farm rainbow parts once completed the whole dr pr of the specific series?

[plain saffron]

spawn rate? same

but if you finish the ships now you can focus 100% on gear research, so i gues it is faster?

[undone plover]

U would end up with less overall tho
If u do pure gear focus for 1 year u should get 5-6 UR gears
If u do ship focus then gear focus you will end up with 4-5 most likely

[plain saffron]

i think i'm reading the question differently

[jaunty vault]

no you answered right

[undone plover]

It is a bit vague yeah
I wasnt disputing what u said tho
Just adding to your point

[white agate]

i just thought there would have been a better % for 30 minutes gear mission to spawn once all faces researches were done

seems like that was not the case

[undone plover]

Well when u are truly done with ship blueprints i.e dev30/fs5 all ships in a season the faces start showing again so u will have the same spawn rate as before finishing them

In theory it is possible if u finish 4 ships and leave 1 unfinished it COULD VERY SLIGHTLY increase gear research spawn rate but there is no evidence for this and some ppl claim they tried it and it didnt change much

[eternal basalt]

Red docks have no shops. Dakar and Keil are such a port.

[versed forum]

should i craft a 3rd haze aa gun?

[atomic abyss]

Haze is worse than staag tho

[late flame]

although it can be upgraded to stagg'

[atomic abyss]

If anything, you gearlab your hazes into staags

[undone plover]

Craft from research BP is fine
Not from gear lab it is mostly a waste of mats

[final heart]

are any of the war archive SP worth clearing?

[atomic abyss]

No

Unless you need German ships for unlocking fdg

Which might be a tad unnecessary with next week ironblood event

[wind hazel]

sp5 can be alternative to exp farming

[undone plover]

Cosmic kicks are good evasion aux to get
Hardly necessary tho

[final heart]

I'm kinda stuck on 4-4 so I'm wondering what else can I do besides just exp farming on 4-3

[wind hazel]

[final heart]

idk my backline kept getting obliterated when I got to the boss

[wind hazel]

what are you using?

[final heart]

the mobs were easy, I could get my entire fleet 95% hp all the way to the boss but she sent over some planes and everyone died

[late flame]

gear issue

[final heart]

this

[atomic abyss]

Not enough limit breaks

[wind hazel]

limit break your ships

[coarse heron]

Nelson needs limit breaks badly

[final heart]

so I keep farming exp more?
some ships need lv70 for their next limit break

[coarse heron]

Your Nelson has 0 limit breaks right now.

[late flame]

throw exp books

[wind hazel]

nah keep the books

[turbid dawn]

What is the best AlgerieM fleet? I'm presuming something like BisZ and CVs with a lot of german rockets?

[wind hazel]

and use double line formation if you're still using single line formation

[atomic abyss]

Either triple BB or triple CV with rockets
Depending on which you have built ofc

[turbid dawn]

I think I only have 1 rocket plane+13 atm so BBs would be a better way for me to go

[final heart]

even with everyone at 4* I'm down to the last drop

[zenith heron]

Better to MLB one ship than all of them incomplete, remember that for next time...

[final heart]

I can't really MLB any of them because they're not lv70 yet

[final heart]

highest is my unicorn at lv56

[weary gust]

No limit breaks, bad gear, and tank in the wrong spot all don't help.

[zenith heron]

Well farming lower level seems fine, but peeps here probabaly has better suggestions

[final heart]

bad gear is probably the main problem, yeah

[atomic abyss]

Agreed

[final heart]

I still haven't gotten that wheel thing and I feel like a waste farming 2-1 over and over for it

[turbid dawn]

Would this be a good setup for AlgerieM then?

[zenith heron]

It depends really

[weary gust]

I listed the issues in order of impact.

[atomic abyss]

No Alsace right?

[turbid dawn]

I do have Alsace, you think she'd be better then Sushi?

[atomic abyss]

Absolutely, way better than sushi against med armour

Alsace would deal the most out of all the BBs in that comp tbh

[final heart]

I just got mine all up to 4* so limit break problem is down
my position is like that cus portland died first even when she was placed last so idk how better I could've done

[atomic abyss]

Alsace in flag
To get the Plymouth buff

[atomic abyss]

Just to be clear, you have been enhancing the ship stats... Right?

Because it's not normal for your battle to take almost 80s

[final heart]

this, right?

[weary gust]

The limit break problem is a problem until they are all at mlb. At level 50ish you should have had most/all of your ships at mlb (for their level, which would be 2/3 for over level 30), not sure how they're all barely at 1/3.
Portland is a tank, she has the most effective HP, if she's dying first that's a sign that you're not strong enough for the level.

[atomic abyss]

Yes... And it looks like they're not fully enhanced

[final heart]

I fed her with everything I had

[turbid dawn]

Yeah it worked with 0 issue, thanks

[atomic abyss]

Yeah Algerie is one of the more straightforward metas

[turbid dawn]

Its strange seeing Agir such high dmg too ngl

But yeah I forget it hits all targets with her being a CB

[final heart]

I did get them to 4* now, that formation pic was before I limit break them

[atomic abyss]

...there was an ammo node on 4-4 right

[final heart]

there wasn't any

I had to fight with 0 ammo cus the boss only showed up after 5 fights

[atomic abyss]

Ah
You probably just need more levels then

[final heart]

back to the 4-3 rice field

[astral flume]

where do we ask questions about the new binding system? I'm trying to log in with my old account and when I'm putting in my email it says it was already bound, and idk how to log in...

[weary gust]

I don't think levels are the problem. He has 4 ships with 6-12 levels in advantage.

[atomic abyss]

#tech-support

[astral flume]

thx

[shell willow]

does this help?

[astral flume]

oh, thanks I'll try that

[weary gust]

Portland is still in the wrong spot, and I suspect gear is largely unupgraded/very bad, given he wasn't enhancing ships either he's down 1/6-1/5 of their stats, it's probably a mix of those three things.

Though I suppose z23 with 10+ level advantage is probably more tanky than the Portland.

[final heart]

what gears should I be having on them right now?
I only tried to farm the maneuver wheel thing in 2-1 but I couldn't get any so I gave up farming gears on map

[atomic abyss]

Have you been opening your purple tech boxes

[final heart]

yes

[weary gust]

What level are you gears at? +6? +3?

[final heart]

+6 for the most part

[atomic abyss]

Oh

No survivability
That explains a lot

[weary gust]

Yep.

Your vanguard units should have aux items that increase their HP/Eva (HP for DD/CL, EVA for CA/CL)

That depth charge in particular is very useless for you right now.

[atomic abyss]

All your frontliners, Portland included shd have 1 toolbox each

[final heart]

I only have 1 of it and it's from the map clearing event

[weary gust]

Subs don't show up for a while in normal maps, and they aren't a problem until w14.

[atomic abyss]

Give all your frontliners, 1 repair toolkit each
Z23 can have 2 if you can spare another one

[final heart]

here's my aux inventory rn

[weary gust]

So you've scrapped literally everything not in use?

[atomic abyss]

Remove the camo from ranger and uni

Give both of them to Portland

[final heart]

no, I have nothing to scrap

[atomic abyss]

Craft up your white tech boxes and blue boxes to purple and then open them

[final heart]

the only things I've scrapped were planes of the fodder ships

[weary gust]

Hmm. I don't recall being that short on gear by w4.

[atomic abyss]

Kasic, it's filtered to auxes only

[final heart]

yes, I did this too

[weary gust]

I know, but he has only 6? That's enough to put only 1 on each ship.

[signal spoke]

Quick question, can you abandon daily missions in Operation Siren ?

[atomic abyss]

No

[weary gust]

No. But you can leave the map you're on that has them

[atomic abyss]

And you have no more tech boxes?

[signal spoke]

it's mainly the exchange ones, I want every single special token to myself hahaa I dont wanna be forced to spend them on some random map coordinates

[atomic abyss]

Exchange them

You get more than enough special tokens lol

[weary gust]

The daily missions are worth way more than the cost of the tokens.

[final heart]

oh wait I have like 4 lemme open them real quick

[atomic abyss]

At least if you actually do opsi

[final heart]

the rest are blue and white boxes

[signal spoke]

I never seem to have enough to buy everything, I guess im just too casual hahaa

[atomic abyss]

Still it's more worth

[weary gust]

Blue and white boxes can be crafted up into higher rarities.

[final heart]

yeah I'm always crafting them up

[weary gust]

Alright. Well for now that fire suppression aux will help a lot.

[final heart]

does it go to frontline or backline?

or just about anyone because it only gives stats

[weary gust]

front line, and it has a special effect of reducing burn time

[atomic abyss]

Fire surpressor to Helena for now

[final heart]

man I can't believe I'm getting skill issued on a simple game like azur lane

[atomic abyss]

Nothing you can't solve with brute force at this point

[final heart]

what should I do with rare units that I won't ever use?
should I keep them to MLB at one point for tech points or just retire them?

[vestal glen]

is this worth it?

[whole crypt]

yes

[wind hazel]

nvm misread, keep the hard to farm ones, retire easily farmable ones

[final heart]

so retire blue and below and keep purple and above?

[wind hazel]

usually yes, but there are some useful blue too. some

and a lot of useless purples as well... it's tough

[final heart]

is there a list of those units I need to keep?

[wind hazel]

not in particular. if you want you can post in a thread, i'll look it out for you

[final heart]

List of useful units that aren't meta for beginner-mid players

[vestal glen]

i mean like is it worth the coins? because im dead broke after levelling portland and unicorn

dead broke alright

[quartz jungle]

Tbf you have more than soft cap

[vestal glen]

yeah but if i get it ill go under

[undone plover]

If u are really new I recommend u stay under soft cap if convenient to you
The passive gold is not much but it is still decent income

[vestal glen]

:/

there goes my saving for UR.....RIP

[undone plover]

Saving for event is fine if u want to go all in day one

[whole crypt]

depends on how new you are as well

if you're not grinding in 11+ I wouldn't recommend saving past softcap

if you're not grinding with oil cap even for campaign then don't bother at all

[vestal glen]

fair enough

[tall bane]

How many blueprints needed to make a dev 30 in the ship yard

[undone plover]

343 for gold
513 for rainbow

[tall bane]

Damn

Well guess I finish anchorage first b4 ägir

[undone plover]

Anchorage is coinable
I recommend u take agir face from research academy

[tall bane]

I alr have 243 agir blueprints

[undone plover]

Get 10 BP for anchorage every day
She will be dev30 in no time
There is also 300 catchup u can use on her (can also use for August)

[tall bane]

But 139 anchorage

[undone plover]

Well like I said use catchup + coin on anchorage and she will finish very fast

[tall bane]

I have Avp maxed alr

[undone plover]

That is also good

U can take anchorage face in academy
I just mean prioritize agir faces over her

Agir will also most likely be coinable next month but at this point just finish your tenrai and then move on to pr5 imo

[vast sparrow]

b r u h

[forest palm]

[rain hearth]

i don't quite understand how new ur bb are better than fdg

[plain saffron]

which new BB

🍿 ?

[rain hearth]

every single skill of fdg seems awesome and it has powerful stats

alsace soyuz

[plain saffron]

have you considered that other UR BB also have awesome and powerful stats

[forest palm]

FdG is also from like 2018

[strange sphinx]

here we go, Salt mine

[forest palm]

not as if the bar was that high

[strange sphinx]

[plain saffron]

call ender

[undone plover]

Some things are not obvious from stats alone
A big thing for BB is how good their barrage is
FdG barrage while good for mob is not that good for single target

[forest palm]

also NJ the first in this case was arguably only slightly better than FdG, from there the base line of UR BB have gone up

[eager mulch]

wait until he finds out about musashi

[forest palm]

[eager mulch]

[forest palm]

also SSR BB are basically skirting the line now and reaching FdG

[quartz jungle]

Rodney Meta and Tamaki are quite good yeah

[strange sphinx]

Hmmm FDG, Uni, Aquila, Anchorage, Shimakaze or Yuudachi, and Unzen probably can Do Opsi Hidden, Stronghold, Explorable right?

[forest palm]

ya sure

[undone plover]

In single target bossing maybe but I dont think any SR BB is close to FdG in mobbing

[forest palm]

far as I've seen some SSR BB are close on both fronts

so it really depends on how Devs want to continue pushing SSR BBs

[rain hearth]

@atomic abyss
incitement?

[atomic abyss]

I mean the salt comment was unnecessary

[forest palm]

ya both are pretty good for SSR BBs, mostly Tamaki mind you

[undone plover]

Are those 2 better than flandre/daisen?

[fiery swan]

Owari

[undone plover]

And owari?

[forest palm]

Tamaki might be close, Rodney nah

[strange sphinx]

should I bother go replace the AA of my frontline or just to stick 2 roomba/Sexy and one Accelerator?

[forest palm]

you don't need AA in ops lol

[quartz jungle]

Rodney Meta is for mobbing mostly

[quartz jungle]

Against single target Tamaki is pretty close

Better at them at mobbing for sure

[atomic abyss]

RodneyM definitely not close

[rain hearth]

so small jokes are fine as long as we stop when told to?

[strange sphinx]

how about the main guns and torps? Just the usual isn't?

[atomic abyss]

Like I don't see how this was necessary at all

It was a perfectly valid question being asked

[forest palm]

I'd mostly just go AP where you can, nothing especially needed

[rain hearth]

i am not mad
just curious

(btw)

[atomic abyss]

How about just don't make such jokes at all

[rain hearth]

i didn't?

[atomic abyss]

You asked where the line was

And the line is don't make jokes to begin with

[rain hearth]

i see

[late flame]

#al-general is also that way

[quartz jungle]

Suchiguma's sheet rates Rodney Meta at A for W14 mob

And Jimmy's video put her very high

[crimson glacier]

oh we have a new jimmy follower

[hollow birch]

whats this plane good for

[crimson glacier]

flexing

[undone plover]

Best plane for medium armor
And best fighter for heavy armor if concealment is no issue

[strange sphinx]

hmmm so... what is hiden gun again? AP or HE also Unzen gun also.

[atomic abyss]

Hinden is AP
Unzen is HE

[strange sphinx]

Oki tnx

[crimson glacier]

is that really best on heavy

[hollow birch]

whats concealment

[undone plover]

/detection

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Detection Level:
If the gauge hasn't been filled, your carriers gains "hidden buff", which is 10% flat AA resistance reduction to enemies (basically they deal more dmg) and they can't be chosen as a valid target (enemies BB won't attack your CV when hidden).
If the gauge has been filled, there will be an exclamation mark (!) displayed to the side of the gauge, and your carriers lose the "hidden buff". They will regain the buff when the gauge level falls below the red line.
The gauge will be slowly filled if spotted by the enemy (both planes and ships) if they crossed the detection line, when they are burning, and when launching an airstrike.
Credit: -It's Rajaku-#1817 and Newbie#1553

For more information, consult the wiki

[atomic abyss]

For fighter locked slots, yes

[undone plover]

To elaborate most fighters have anti air dmg
This one does not
So if enemy sends lots of planes u want AA to shoot them down
So using sth like flapjack will be better than this plane

[crimson glacier]

thats not what im interested in

are bombs really that inaccurate

[atomic abyss]

So impla and nakhi

[strange sphinx]

Hmmmm gearlab question, Should I craft 457 or spearfish?

[atomic abyss]

Relatively speaking, yes

[undone plover]

Neither
Save for gear lab update

[atomic abyss]

Obviously 457
Unless you already have like 3

[crimson glacier]

and you also have to compensate to get reload speed from somewhere else

[stark quiver]

Doesn’t tenrai have like a 50% hit rate

[undone plover]

Expected 58% physical hit rate vs large stationary target iirc

[atomic abyss]

Something like that yes

[forest palm]

as it stand I see little to no reason to craft Spearfish

[strange sphinx]

I only have 1

[undone plover]

1 is good enough for now
We might get new gear that needs ordnance reports
Imo save for that
Or u might want more tenrais

[atomic abyss]

I would consider a second
Or wait for the expected gear lab update in Jan

[hollow sail]

well all fighters have AA damage, just not all fighters have interception

[strange sphinx]

... I only need 2 Bps for 2nd Tenrai

[undone plover]

I was trying to keep it simple

[atomic abyss]

There are a fair few BBs that rank A for that btw
This includes Nagato meta which is generally a better ship all round imo

[undone plover]

U might want 3

[atomic abyss]

Pretty sure rodM only is good at mobbing cos of her clone jutsu

[strange sphinx]

nooooo (Might focus on focus research Plymouth after the 2nd tenrai)

[hollow sail]

rodney meta has good damage uptime

[quartz jungle]

Clones and general damage yes

[undone plover]

Yeah definitely move on
But u can get third in gear lab when it gets added there
Again what u want/need depends on you
Some ppl might prefer 2nd georgia gun

[rapid grail]

consider that her barrage is basically a nuke

[uneven cave]

who the heck is jimmy and is this another case of misinformed videos
or are things different this time

[rapid grail]

not much in campaign but that is valuable to deleting the annoying enemies

[atomic abyss]

I mean at that point just use FdG

Jimmy is relatively one of the more reliable sources

[strange sphinx]

Georgia gun.... what is that again... I might switch it again with another gun

[atomic abyss]

The only major issue with Jimmy is that he has maxed tech

[undone plover]

Jimmy is pretty decent
In general avoid getting your information from one source

[atomic abyss]

Georgia gun is 457

[rapid grail]

Jimmy goes to show testing and results in his videos
already better than most AL ytbers

[strange sphinx]

oh 457 it is

[atomic abyss]

Like max max tech

[quartz jungle]

Yeah 20k damage without crit

[north topaz]

Which of the To Love Ru ships are the best to use?

[atomic abyss]

So when he's doing things, certain things may not work for the average player due to lack of tech

[atomic abyss]

Darkness Nana Lala

[north topaz]

Recommended gear setup for them?

[rapid grail]

do elaborate, i've not touched collab ships seriously since og rikka run

[atomic abyss]

Nana copies Yuudachi load out
Lala and Darkness use the usual loadouts

[uneven cave]

I assume pre retro poi?

[late flame]

tbh if you have all rainbows none of the collab ships are worth using over them 😛

[quartz jungle]

Everything but AA and HP IIRC

[strange sphinx]

.wait Nana is FP oriented DD... not Torp

[atomic abyss]

Nana is essentially Yuudachi Kai
But better it seems

[atomic abyss]

Post

[undone plover]

Wasnt momo also decent?

[atomic abyss]

She is yes

[late flame]

if you like all 3 pink hair frontline

[atomic abyss]

The short of it is
The gold rarity tlr characters are all considered one of the top few in their respective hull type

....excluding URs

[hollow sail]

she is most definitely TRP oriented, when everything in all her barrages scales off TRP and she has high base TRP

[late flame]

+they are relatively expensive to build, since collab ships all need their unique augs

[quartz jungle]

No all of her barrages scale off TRP

[strange sphinx]

I mean Yuudachi is FP oriented right, I mean she typically uses Mog's gun

[hollow sail]

yuudachi is more like mixed

[quartz jungle]

Yuudachi has got both FP and TRP scaling barrages

[north topaz]

Which guns are best for Lala and Darkness?

[atomic abyss]

As with other CAs/BBs
It depends ™️

[atomic abyss]

No she's always been a mixed dps as she's barrage oriented

She prefers 100 Kai over mog gun lol

[strange sphinx]

oh really, does she need the Gold fast gun... the Single British DD gun

[atomic abyss]

No

Only Scylla really wants the 113 more than the 76 iirc

[strange sphinx]

wait so Shimakaze Don't need that?

[atomic abyss]

Absolutely not

There are cases where the 113 may be better than the 76

[whole crypt]

why does Scylla want it more

[quartz jungle]

You mean the 113 mm over 100 mm? Cuz I believe we are talking about Yuudachi

[hollow sail]

there's still no test between 113mm vs 100mm kai for scylla i think

[whole crypt]

yeh but Ender was saying for Scylla 113 vs 76

besides slightly better FP and range I don't see how it's more significant for Scylla than the other fast gun users

[hollow sail]

it really depends

[quartz jungle]

More of Scylla's barrage scales off FP than others

[hollow sail]

for scylla it "makes sense" since her damage is FP focused, but for kazagumo it wouldn't make sense

for shima it could be worth since her bullet damage on her AoA is actually not at all bad

[whole crypt]

pretty sure that's still TRP scaled so it's moot

so it's really just the slightly higher FP for Scylla

[quartz jungle]

There is a small part of Shimakaze's barrage that is FP scaling

[hollow sail]

not negligible

690 base damage against all armor types and shoots straight ahead with decent width

[whole crypt]

is that the purple puke portion

690 is total though

that's 15/bullet

[hollow sail]

not really an issue

[whole crypt]

better than nothing I guess

[undone plover]

Give them all twin100kai

[hollow sail]

to get one extra barrage out of shima from using 76mm vs 113mm takes quite a while

so before that it would be if you value that it comes just a tiny bit faster

[whole crypt]

Shimakaze kind of does jack shit with rainbow duck

[hollow sail]

100mm kai doesn't make sense for shima

[quartz jungle]

In pratice that will never happen because 113mm has more range than 76 mm

[viscid swift]

absolute cooldown is also a thing

[quartz jungle]

In fact 113 mm may get one more barrage on edge scenarios depending on Shimakaze's movement rng

[whole crypt]

off the top of my head someone mentioned 76 practically doesn't actually fire faster than 113 because somethingsomething engine

[hollow sail]

jimmy did 3 fights against META iirc 76mm one barrage extra in 1 or 2 of the fights. not really enough to draw good conclusions because yes there's many factors

[vale spindle]

single 120 has same range as single 113

[strange sphinx]

[quartz jungle]

[hollow sail]

shima's MG damage is terrible so there's not a situation you would want 100mm over 113mm or 76mm, you just have to look at the fact that 100mm gives same FP stat as 113mm while the latter is like 35% faster

[sharp socket]

zero tech testing is more interesting stuff than the things you can pull off with max tech

that sent so late

[wind hazel]

both is interesting

[coarse heron]

If I finished developing a pr ship will I get tech points?

[undone plover]

U get tech points for

1- acquiring new ships
2- MLB/dev30
3- level 120

Tech also doesnt go away

[whole crypt]

"finishing dev" as in getting the ship = yes because acquisition
"finishing dev" as in d30 = also yes because MLB

[coarse heron]

Thanks

[undone plover]

Only muse/child/collab dont give tech

[coarse heron]

Thanks

[coarse heron]

Thanks for the info

[sharp socket]

should i aim for nakhi/napoli/la9 first in pr7

i have 4 tanks so probably not napoli but nakhi or la9

or any of the PRs if they have a niche that performs better than rainbow

[undone plover]

I would do nakhi/la9
selectors + G research is enough for golds

[sharp socket]

i'll just do both then and ship more as usual

[atomic abyss]

it's to do with range

113 range is larger than the 76
so there are cases where the 76 wont fire at all due to being too far away from the enemy

delaying your aoa proc

[whole crypt]

what I heard wasn't about range was about frames

[quartz jungle]

I think he's talking something about frames

[vestal glen]

zzz i got fighter 0 twice already for the gold one

[atomic abyss]

probably because you're opening sakura boxes

[vestal glen]

:/

it was a T5 box

[atomic abyss]

there's only like, 3 good things from sakura t5

[forest palm]

even T5 boxes are split into factions

[keen sable]

noice. anything that's not a crane is a win

[vestal glen]

no ye i know, but the fact i got type 0 twice in a day feels like a joke

[atomic abyss]

the tenzan, the twin 100, and maybe the gold oxy torp

and the gold oxy torp isnt even used often

[whole crypt]

gold crane is a win for earlier on because you need purple aux plates 🧠

[keen sable]

or maybe a crane IS the best thing out of it cuz parts

[quartz jungle]

And the steam catapult

[atomic abyss]

ah yeah forgot that

[vestal glen]

i have a steam catapult and it feels dumb because i forgot where it came from

[soft raft]

any faction's T4-5 box

[obsidian ivy]

What's the best QEM lineup nowadays ? CV or BB? Something like nano Amagi implac kaza helmet someone?

[keen sable]

michita?

[atomic abyss]

michita over helmet yes

[obsidian ivy]

I don't have michita

[keen sable]

then it's not the best

[zinc prairie]

just saw this pic, how can she be on par with Hendinburgh?

[atomic abyss]

it's a very old bug

[obsidian ivy]

I suppose

[zinc prairie]

oh

[atomic abyss]

that was quickly fixed

[keen sable]

if you manual maybe you can

[atomic abyss]

it happened because the game always counted her firing all possible sword combinations

[zinc prairie]

so no more crazy damage?

[atomic abyss]

no more

her damage is back to how it was, meh

[obsidian ivy]

Maybe hipperM will give something nice

[soft raft]

if we even get her in the first place
which I pesonally doubt

[rapid grail]

has the game given us a 2 UR event with a META in the shop/drop ship?

Hmm, probably not as of the moment

[viscid swift]

yes

[keen sable]

meta is just a cheaper shop ship. nothing to be afraid of

[cedar willow]

Does shinano need strong gear to get good performance?

[viscid swift]

well by that logic so do Enterprise and Amagi

Shinano doing that little damage looks more like her airstrike didn't even land before the battle ended

[cedar willow]

so does she need more time to land airstrike than other CVs?

[hollow gust]

More like the content was so easy it doesn't matter

[viscid swift]

the launch order was probably Enterprise, Amagi, Shinano I'm guessing

[dusky cloak]

shinano airstrike does like a trillion damage no way she even got it out

[viscid swift]

so Enterprise launching first did the bulk of the damage, Amagi finished her off basically so her airstrike didn't do full damage and Shinano as I said maybe didn't even get to launch before the battle ended

[eager mulch]

amagi-chan has a trillion damage if given enough time

[cedar willow]

hm so it depends on content's difficulty?

[eager mulch]

where are you even testing these

[cedar willow]

OS

or where should i go to test?

[eager mulch]

if Enty and amagi slap the bulk of the target and shinano is left with the sloppy seconds then yes she’s going to be lower

[atomic abyss]

the issue here is as simple as there is nothing for nano to hit

[cedar willow]

uhm well, maybe it's still easy to test

[eager mulch]

those screen shots tell nothing without any context as to specific fights or gear

[dusky cloak]

what level are these ships

[atomic abyss]

mobbing will never be a fair test anyways

[cedar willow]

my bad, just curious

btw do i need whole 4 teams for OS? I have trouble with corro lv6

[atomic abyss]

3 is fine, and shd be your aim

[floral thunder]

How do I limit break my Shinano? I have like 5 Prototype Bulin MKII

[eager mulch]

same way you limit break other ships? what exactly is the problem

[atomic abyss]

you need to use Specialized Bulin Custom MKIII, not prototype bulin mk2

[soft raft]

you need UR Rarity bullins to limit break UR ships

[eager mulch]

oh yeah you need rainbow bulins

[floral thunder]

Ohh I understand

[soft raft]

Mk II is for SR and Mk I is for Elite and below

[atomic abyss]

these

[floral thunder]

Is she hard to get?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[eager mulch]

not hard but quite timegated

[floral thunder]

Yeesh…

[cedar willow]

Help with OS fleets! Thanks

[eternal basalt]

Dont mlb Shinano ... wait a week

[keen sable]

Also bulin on shinano is quite sus. Bulins should be prioritized for non permanent ships

[keen sable]

Integer overflow

[floral thunder]

Like wait an actual week?

[floral thunder]

Non…permanent?

[plain saffron]

not in permanent banner

[atomic abyss]

limited ships

[eternal basalt]

Next week new UR

[floral thunder]

Ohhh

So I can always just go to the perm banner and get Shinano to limit break

[atomic abyss]

well, using the perma UR pity more like

[glossy perch]

Is there any way to grind for augment module cores? Or is it only drip feed, like events, weeklies and cruise missions?

[atomic abyss]

no way to grind

[wanton dawn]

can i ask if this is ok for op si? should I also provide what else I have? tyty

the top row are all lvl 125

[rain vine]

kazagumo should be on your cv fleet, not your mob fleet

[wanton dawn]

so replace yudachi?

[atomic abyss]

yes swap them

[wanton dawn]

I thought kazagumo has heal so shld be on mob fleet, since many bosses dont allow heal in some ways

[atomic abyss]

she has one of the best carrier buffing skills

there's no reason to use her in a place (mob)where you dont need every little bit of damage

[wanton dawn]

ah okok tyty

[sweet delta]

Hard arbiter never has antiheal or reverseheal

[wanton dawn]

i havent attempted arbiter yet lol

[atomic abyss]

only stronghold bosses...

which you usually tackle with your mob fleet

[wanton dawn]

do u think this team is ok for that...?

[rain vine]

that heal aint getting around siren skills that cause healing to target a siren or do damage instead

[wanton dawn]

do u guys think my team can deal with the arbiter then?

[atomic abyss]

actually on closer inspection

those teams are all quite cursed

you can clear normal arbiter for sure regardless, but anything beyond well

[wanton dawn]

arbiter is the center thing right

[rain vine]

a lot of ships need to be moved around or sacked for better options, if you have them

[wanton dawn]

should I show what I have?

[rain vine]

open a thread

[wanton dawn]

what extra rewards does hard arbiter provide?

[atomic abyss]

gold plates

[wanton dawn]

okok one sec

should i filter by level or rarity?

[jaunty vault]

anybody here have taihou meta chibi png

i need it for gameplay reasons

[atomic abyss]

filter your UR and SRs

[wanton dawn]

u mean ssr?

[atomic abyss]

in EN we dont have SSR
but yes i means rainbows and golds

[wanton dawn]

Op si help, Tyty:)

[atomic abyss]

JP SSR is EN SR

[wanton dawn]

ohhhhhh icic mbmb

[eternal basalt]

And JP SR is our elite

[modern depot]

I really like Howe and want to make her do a lot of damage, who should I use with her in the main fleet and Vanguard to boost her damage? I was using DOY and Vanguard in the main fleet but in the vanguard I’m not sure who would be best, any suggestions?

[atomic abyss]

a tank, helena and plymouth

[subtle cloud]

I’ve heard Helena is a good unit but not sure why. What kind of fleets does she fit into + what does her first skill mean by “SG radar”?

[eternal basalt]

40% bonus damage

[atomic abyss]

simply put, if her skill procs, your damage increases by 40% for the next 10s

[eager mulch]

Every 20s: 30% (60%) chance to apply a debuff to all onscreen enemies, increasing the DMG they take by 20% (40%) for 10s. When this ship has an SG Radar equipped: increases this ship's EVA by 5% (10%), and this skill attempts to activate 16s after the beginning of combat (instead of 20s).
(Replaces "Radar Scan")

[subtle cloud]

damn ok so big damage

thanks

[eager mulch]

she’s good anywhere you want synced damage and bad where you want desynced damage

[subtle cloud]

is she an alright damaging unit for vanguard or is she purely damage support

[eager mulch]

mostly support

[atomic abyss]

pure support

she isnt as good as campaign because you want desynced damage there

[subtle cloud]

so you’d usually take her for boss fights where the damage is needed or something right

[atomic abyss]

yes

[subtle cloud]

ok thanks a lot

[jaunty vault]

@atomic abyss

[atomic abyss]

/sirenstats has been updated

[odd root]

https://i.imgur.com/dHVaZV6.jpg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460645783021289472/1317550467080785972/METAstats4.02.jpg

[eager mulch]

@jaunty vault

[wanton dawn]

how can i know if a ship is better against a certain armour type?

[eager mulch]

look at the armor mods and damage of their guns and barrages

like musashi barrage has better armor mods against medium and heavy than light

[wanton dawn]

ah okok tysm

[keen sable]

look at their skills and barrage data is the only way

[wanton dawn]

is there a community tier list that is based on the damage type? mainly for op si

[tame jungle]

just do the research

[wanton dawn]

fair enough, thanks

[tame jungle]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/BarrageDatamine
barrage data since it doesn't seem like that's been posted so far

[storm niche]

after researching pr4 and pr5, is it better to focus on pr6 or pr7?

[rare wyvern]

Should I rather use a barrage only DD gun on Sandy ? Or a Barrage + DPS gun ?