gameplay-help

[atomic abyss]

That's the short of it yeah

[weary gust]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Damage_Calculations#Weapon_Reload

[tranquil rock]

like
by how much?

[weary gust]

Diminishing returns.

[tranquil rock]

oh

[eager mulch]

the effect one reload has isn’t very quantifiable

[whole crypt]

the problem with rld is it's a sqrt formula so the tapering hits pretty hard

[weary gust]

What's the highest possible reload any ship can have?

[whole crypt]

I'd imagine something like Laffey mid-buff but it's not a useful number

[viscid swift]

highest base would be Laffey 2 at 248

[sweet delta]

Like 416 plus or minus 1

For base stats only without skills

[whole crypt]

Laffey OG is 223 but annihilation mode +200%

so 669 rld, but again not a useful number

[weary gust]

For just this part of the equation.

[sweet delta]

Approach infinite RLD and get blocked by abscd

[atomic abyss]

Wouldn't you also get blocked by frame rate at that point

[sweet delta]

Frame rate is for display, calculation rate is what causes one form of abscd

[weary gust]

Here's to 666 rld.

Not really much difference between 300 and 600 reload stat.

Going from 50 to 100 reload is like 10% gain in fire rate.

[whole crypt]

i.e. don't bother

[junior walrus]

I’ve looked at gear lab guide, but is there something I should really. Be focusing on? Like a certain weapon or class? Is it based on my current roster?

[sweet delta]

based on your things

[atomic abyss]

But if you are just starting, then you'll probably be focusing on getting your first copy of the Ju-87 D-4 and the wyvern

[sweet delta]

#gameplay-help message

[quartz jungle]

Tbf the Rld stat bonus for Laffey goes from 0.75 to 0.5, or about a 50% increase

[stark quiver]

how do you guys have enough ap to do both dailies + hiddens? use ap boxes?

[plain saffron]

Yes

[weary gust]

Uh, dailies take almost no AP for starters ...

But also yes, AP boxes to spam hiddens.

[plain saffron]

[wind hazel]

sometimes dailies take almost no ap, sometimes they take almost all ap

[quartz jungle]

Laffey OG can also get the buff from Wargod of the Solomon at the same time for a total of 240% Rld buff

[hollow sail]

the highest possible reload would actually be within pvp, where main fleet gets 300 flat reload stat + 300% reload buff during accelerated battle status

[ocean trout]

i need help i cannot log in bcs i cannot scroll when i need to connect with facebook

[eternal moth]

That's an emulator issue. Try click and dragging maybe

[ocean trout]

i tried all nothing works

this is the first time ever i had this issue :/ im panicking a bit ngl

[vale spindle]

can you try logging in from an actual phone?

if your account is binded to something don't worry, even though they changed the login / bind methods, the original methods still exist in their records, so if you email customer support they can pull it up for you

[eternal moth]

Have you tried opening your browser separately from the game and enabled cookies?

[arctic aspen]

this is for opsi META battle, what fleet to make? I dont have any of the latest PR yet, but I have everyone else

[eternal moth]

If you can't play the game on a real phone, try opening the browser in your emulator and see if you can enable cookies that way

[eternal moth]

This is what I use

[arctic aspen]

I don't speak whale, I cant tell who half of these mfs are

[stark quiver]

its not whale?

[viscid swift]

EN moment

[arctic aspen]

over half of em have paid skins

Not asking for semantics, I was talking about meta battle btw

[viscid swift]

it should still be pretty easy to tell who they are but I digress

we don't know because no one legally has access to level 15 showdowns yet

[stark quiver]

musashi,unicorn,independance, kronk,unzen,hinden
bis2,vanny,alsace,agir,helena,plymouth
shinano,amagicv,haku,napoli, kazagumo,eldridge

[arctic aspen]

Interesting

[eternal moth]

Yeah, I overlooked the meta, sorry.

[viscid swift]

just reuse your fleet for Nagato META for now or something

[stark quiver]

man my typing speed has deteriorated

and replied to wrong message

[arctic aspen]

its fine, I'll try to copy that too I can show what mine is, it's probably outdated due to my burnout

[wind hazel]

[eternal moth]

I don't really consider myself a whale, more a dolphin. I don't buy cubes or oil, just skins

[arctic aspen]

[eternal moth]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I use. I replaced Shima with Hinden, Implac with Amagi, and Sirius with Eldridge, letting you use 3 DPS carriers without losing a slow

[stark quiver]

thats honestly better than mine, youll be fine

[eternal moth]

Fleet 1 is Kear, YT2, Imp, tank, sirius, Aurora I think?

Once I'm done with my runs I'll confirm

[stark quiver]

apparently, its kear,y2,nakh + np vg

[arctic aspen]

are any of the gold ships worth working toward? you can smell the inactivity in this image

[eternal moth]

Not particularly with what you have now

[soft raft]

None of them really particuarlly stand out besides the DRs
Realistically you'll barely use them

[arctic aspen]

Alr, thanks homies

[ocean trout]

since the game sends u the browser it is the same

[arctic aspen]

bayard looks like a UR so I keep instinctively getting hers instead of balancing

[eternal moth]

Are you able to install the game on your phone or a tablet?

[wind hazel]

have you tried changing the emulator orientation to portrait

[eternal moth]

... Why didn't I think of that?

[wind hazel]

[ocean trout]

i made it by ajusting the resolution until i could see all but now it says this.. bruh

[plain saffron]

That's why i never use facebook

[hidden garnet]

Download FB from store

[wind hazel]

ye you need fb app on the emulator lul

[ocean trout]

yeah i cant find it..

[hidden garnet]

In your emulator play store. Search fb app. Does that exist?

[eternal moth]

For a new account, better to buy Enty or someone from the SR BB list for medals?

I'm thinking Hood is the better option

Although I know we have people that swear by Tirpitz or Bisco for a head start on tech points

[ivory pawn]

Odds are you'll end up grabbing both Hood and Enty. Also option to grab Hood from Newcomer rewards so you can grab Bismark or Tirpitz for tech.

But considering the timing, if you end up pulling on the UR event, that could completely mess up recommendations.

[plain saffron]

Probably enty because hood needs more resources

Unless there's a newbie event, hood bcs enty free

[eternal moth]

Hmm, good point. I guess I can hold onto medals for a bit. Penny's already 95, and it would take a while to get anyone up to that level. I wonder if I just use Riche in my boss fleet and replace Penny with Hood.

[exotic wren]

Isn't hood on the newbie selector?

[ivory pawn]

Both Hood and Enty are.

[eternal moth]

So is Enty

[ivory pawn]

It's Hood, Enty, San Diego, and I think Sirius.

[eternal moth]

Lusty, not Sirius

[exotic wren]

Pick enty then, she can go on both mob and boss fleets

[eternal moth]

Then again, if I take Tirpitz I can grab Hood from newbie selector and buy Enty from medal shop

Tirpitz has the advantage of both KMS tech points and torp stat

[ivory pawn]

I'd pick up Enty from medal shop before picking up anyone for tech reasons.

[rain vine]

you mean firepower?

[ocean trout]

well i downloaded firefox since that would work but now aftter all the things i tried sadly i met with a white screen ingame :/

[eternal moth]

No, I mean she has torpedoes

[ocean trout]

sadge

[eternal moth]

Can you set up a Yostar account instead of using facebook?

Log into the game and see if it will let you do it there.

[whole crypt]

I can't believe people still use fb in 2024

[eternal moth]

At the very least, log in and note down your UID so you have identifying info

[ocean trout]

no matter what i do fb twitter or yostar after typing my info i get white screen

[eternal moth]

You might need to install on either another emulator or a phone then. It looks like Nox has issues with browsers

[sinful escarp]

i think you can link it manually in a browser not in the emulator?

[ocean trout]

did aur lane maybe cut android 5 32 bit support?

[eternal moth]

Can you log into the game at all?

[ocean trout]

no

[fossil hull]

are promise rings sometimes available in the event shops? i mean can be bought thru points

[junior walrus]

I’m at 49 zones cleared, this zone should get me to 50 right?

[ivory pawn]

Yep.

Says Explorable on the left, so it counts.

If it says Hidden, you can tap underneath it to get to the Explorable zone.

[viscid swift]

nope, that has never happened in the game's history

[mellow cape]

Getting closer to 72 zones

[fossil hull]

i see so i can only buy them using gems or packs if available?

[viscid swift]

yes

[strange sphinx]

hmmm what's the best emulator for pc for Azur lane

[eternal moth]

I like LDPlayer

[fossil hull]

LD player

[elfin hollow]

@ocean trout i would check with #tech-support or download ldplayer

[mellow cape]

If you rid of BlueStacks of the adware, it actually becomes really fast lol

[strange sphinx]

[stark quiver]

now.gg broswer

[strange sphinx]

yoh alpha, give Pvp fleet (this is a joke)

[eternal moth]

See if this helps

Essentially, close the game, log back in, and click "Ignore for 7 days". That should at least let you in

[ocean trout]

where is this 7 day option?

[eternal moth]

What happens when you click now?

[ocean trout]

white screen

[eternal moth]

And you've completely closed the game and logged back in?

[ocean trout]

u see that at the op its loadin sth but its white

[ocean trout]

yes and also closed the emulator etc

[eternal moth]

Ok then yeah, you'll need to contact tech support

[hidden garnet]

Dang

[plain saffron]

Iirc you can try going to yostar account website and bind from there

Then login in AL like usual

[eternal moth]

I don't see any way to create an account on their site, do you have a link?

You can make one for the store, but I'm pretty sure those are separate

[wind hazel]

https://account.yo-star.com/login

[eternal moth]

See the post above mine to create your account in a regular browser

[ocean trout]

IT WORKED I LOVE U

[wind hazel]

😭 read #game-news from time to time, there's an entire FAQ there

[eternal moth]

Thanks Mori and Nagami

Oh, you mean the "pre-regestration"? lol

[valid coral]

There is no Christmas event in azur lane? Or they didnt give announcement

[eternal moth]

It... it just started today. Did you read the patch notes?

UR event starts next week, CtA (the prequel) started today.

[viscid swift]

there's no Christmas themed event specifically but there will be one more event before the year is out

[eternal moth]

Livestream is Monday morning

[valid coral]

Nope i don't read Patch note

But thats for the info tho👍

[vestal glen]

Umm what time is this

[viscid swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atR1WfJzBro

[wind hazel]

if you're lazy to click or convert,

<t:1734346800:F>

[eternal moth]

I THINK your time is off by an hour, but I'm not sure. The event lists it an hour earlier for me

No, time in the event listing on Discord is wrong. Weird

[eternal moth]

How do you post times like this?

[vestal glen]

dang i hope the UR is somehow a CA, need someone to tank ngl

then again in that case ig ive been grinding for agir for no reason :/

[viscid swift]

you'd be hoping for a CB not a CA at that point

[eternal moth]

You don't need a CA or CB to tank

[vestal glen]

hmm why

[viscid swift]

take a look at the last UR CA and Hindenburg

[vestal glen]

oh wait

oop ye i didnt notice that

[sweet delta]

What about the last DR CA?

[vestal glen]

napoli?

[eternal moth]

She tanky AF

[wind hazel]

https://hammertime.cyou/en-GB

or any other discord timestamp site

[viscid swift]

Napoli is very much an exception rather than the norm

[vestal glen]

her gimmick is evasion and secondaries?

[viscid swift]

her gimmick is being a cockroach that's very difficult to kill

that's what I feel anyway whenever I have to fight one

[vestal glen]

any1 know what is gonna be the UR then?

no way its a cv right?

[sharp socket]

[eternal moth]

It's gonna be German, that's all we know

[viscid swift]

no, we don't even know if there will be a UR, that's how little we know

[vestal glen]

arr well thats sad

[rain vine]

we dont know anything until they officially announce it
azur lane doesnt have leaks

[eternal moth]

But they've released pictures of Hipper Meta and a Siren with facial expressions, so who knows if it's even going to be German at this point

[viscid swift]

CN has confirmed it's an Iron Blood event

[vestal glen]

just wondering but how did they confirm itt

[eternal moth]

Yes, but they've been doing a lot of research on Siren tech, so there's a possibility that the UR ends up being a SIren instead. It's probably not going to happen, but it's a possibility

[sharp socket]

the cn account just says it on bilibili

[viscid swift]

they released an announcement announcing an upcoming Iron Blood event

[vestal glen]

hmm ic

[viscid swift]

playable sirens feels like that would be a CN Anni thing but I digress at this point

[mossy void]

People been coping hard hoping it's Eugen type 2

[plain saffron]

It'll be saratoga ii, just trust me

[spring bolt]

devs simply said, "new IB major event at the end of the month"
https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1008052878341832759

[sharp socket]

if its major event then probably UR right

[spring bolt]

and it's EN first released the hipper image

[rose cosmos]

Are these worth doing

[stark quiver]

no

[spring bolt]

well if devs aren't crazy, it will be UR

[rose cosmos]

What about the one that's an upgrade from helldiver

[spring bolt]

leek: there will be 2 URs, source: #5467

[stark quiver]

not worth the resources, id stick with helldiver and just move to tenrai

[rose cosmos]

So not worth it right

[stark quiver]

nope, not worth

[vale spindle]

yes

every year since 2021 they have always had 4 NEW UR events per year

could they maybe introduce a new rarity above UR? maybe

[viscid swift]

It probably will be a UR event but the fact we don't know for certain just goes to show how little info we actually know about the upcoming event

[sweet delta]

Even the combination of Ironblood event + UR event doesn't mean Ironblood UR

[viscid swift]

The devs like to keep their cards close to their chests and don't tell us stuff until they want us to

So if you've checked all the official news sources that's all we know, leaks in AL are very rare

[stone sluice]

Iron blood themed event + Hood II UR

[sinful escarp]

z23 ver 2

[eternal moth]

I'm almost certain they announced there would be 4 UR events this year, and this would be the last event of the year

[little tree]

can you beat W11 with +6 poverty gear ?

(trying to help my Buddy)

[viscid swift]

Depends a bit on what poverty gear is but yes

[little tree]

all purples Poverty

[junior walrus]

Same zone as the image above ur message, but do I do this too?

[viscid swift]

Like what purples exactly, and what ships even

[little tree]

( ships are fine ) <Amagi CV Strastsbourg To love RU frontline ) Aqullia Unicocorn Z23 Portland Goldend Darkness

[junior walrus]

If anyone can answer this also? Just want to make sure I clear this stage it’s my last one to 50 clears

[sinful escarp]

just click head there now and see what happens

[viscid swift]

Well only one way to find out then

It's one of those puzzles

Worst case scenario you spend a few minutes tapping waiting for TB

[barren tapir]

you get 20-25 opsi coin for it but gotta do them to remove the annoying icons from the map xd

[eager mulch]

[vapid grotto]

What should i get here

[wind hazel]

none, or whichever faction tech you need more

[vapid grotto]

Tech?

[wind hazel]

yeah, faction tech

this thing, relevant when you are starting to work on shipyard

[wind hazel]

yeah it looks like a skip for you

[vapid grotto]

Oh alright

[hollow gust]

Just buy the gold bulins

[vapid grotto]

Sure

[atomic abyss]

And the specialised core

[vapid grotto]

From the other one i picked sirius

[wind hazel]

that's fine but unlikely you're gonna be using her anytime soon

[junior walrus]

Which section are these under?

[atomic abyss]

D-4 is Ironblood Torp Bomber
Wyvern is Royal Torp bomber

To be clear they're different kinds of torp bombers used for different purposes

[junior walrus]

Why am I wanting them early

[atomic abyss]

The former you're literally given the mats for by completing the missions

It's used for your CV bossing teams in opsi/meta showdowns, especially for August von Parseval

The latter is the best torp bomber for mobbing uses
And it's way way better than what you usually have (barracudas)

[junior walrus]

Yeah gearlabs is very foreign to me compared to other gachas…done a good bit of opsi but still feels like I can’t make anything looool

[hollow gust]

prob cause you arent clearing them correctly

[mellow cape]

@junior walrus I saw your op si progression earlier, you're still missing a majority of the strong holds and main node boss lol

[hollow gust]

sounds about right

[fast steppe]

at what point does cv timing become important? saw someone posting about a calc the other day

[stark quiver]

always ngl
wether its staggering or syncing

[junior walrus]

A lot are in corrosion 6 and I’m barely managing 5 so can’t really do it

[hollow gust]

its always good to adjust CV tiing, the thing is earlier content aare alot easier thus giving you leeway

[atomic abyss]

when you're trying to do bosses in opsi/meta showdown really
campaign there's usually more leeway for easier content

but ye what goose said

[mellow cape]

The higher your tuning stuff is, the easier the nodes become my friend @junior walrus

[fast steppe]

ic, then is there a link to the timing calculator?

[mellow cape]

i.e adaptability

[ocean fiber]

Hay is it still worth to research Hindenburg?

[hollow gust]

does it matter ? you finish season by season

[fast steppe]

and i'm curious about timing with centaur since the slow torps come a bit later

[hollow gust]

centaur dont bother, not gonna happen

[atomic abyss]

https://traneptora.com/azur-lane/cooldown/airstrike/ for individual carriers
https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/ if you want to see syncs better

[fast steppe]

ic

[atomic abyss]

worth yes
worth prioritising? no

[hollow gust]

although the usual order skips that season in favor of nahkimobv and LA-9s

[crimson glacier]

is la-9 even that meaningful

[ocean fiber]

Good for a fleet the.

[atomic abyss]

well like most research ships she is really dependent on dev 30

[hollow gust]

eh, current med planes are more the sufficent

[barren tapir]

use your ap smh, think of all the juicy cat nodes

[fast steppe]

there's a usual order?

[atomic abyss]

PR4 first, then PR5
skip PR6 for PR7
is the ideal order as of now

[fast steppe]

ic

[vestal glen]

why skip PR6 and 7 again?

[atomic abyss]

skip 6 to do 7 first

[hollow gust]

7 in general has more stuff

[atomic abyss]

7 has better gear, and rainbows of the same if not better relevance

[vestal glen]

i gotta get to lvl 60 for gear R&D right? haizz thats sad

[atomic abyss]

it aint hard frankly

and even then you likely wont have the coins to make meaningful progress

[fast steppe]

is the research priority for gears or for bps? because i've already got 1 tenrai

or both

[atomic abyss]

it's always up to you lol

if you're done with ships, do gear

[fast steppe]

ic

[atomic abyss]

for PR4, it's recommended to get all your ships to FS5 (save agir who lacks it) and get 1 tenrai from research alone, and another from protocore

[sweet merlin]

i think i effed my my yostar acc. i forgot to log in using my old youstar acc and made a new youstar acc using the same email and now i cannot overite my data

[hollow gust]

email support, #gph cant help lol

[waxen pawn]

yall i got a question

i dont play much operation siren, can i still get Taihou Meta from just doing the 3 dailies?

[hollow gust]

no

[waxen pawn]

pain

[hollow gust]

its not that much work...

[waxen pawn]

?

[hollow gust]

just play opsi for like 20 minutes a day and you have enough

[waxen pawn]

dont you gotta grind to get the points to challenge the ship?

[atomic abyss]

and that takes 20 mins

[hollow gust]

and thats overestimating

[atomic abyss]

i took 10 to get the amount i needed for yesterday lol

[waxen pawn]

so whats the tech then?

[hollow gust]

do your dalies?

[waxen pawn]

play through the chapters of opsi until i get the cap points

[hollow gust]

doing anything in opsi gets you points

[thorn tartan]

while working on 15-3, I think a enemy fleet spawned on top of my subs and now my subs are complete gone.....

[icy cave]

Will curlew ever come back as rate up

[atomic abyss]

doesnt happen

[sweet delta]

only if you wish for it

[thorn tartan]

the sub button is gone too

[atomic abyss]

no she's a years old ship
use wishing well if you're desperate

[sweet delta]

i think you just killed your subs in a battle

[atomic abyss]

more likely out of ammo then

...or that

[thorn tartan]

defintely NOT out of ammo

[icy cave]

I see, just gotta be lucky with daily light build or wishing well

[eternal basalt]

Next one is in May

[icy cave]

Will it be more optimal to put ships only available from special or heavy into WW?

[atomic abyss]

see here's the thing

[rose cosmos]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892412374546542603/1317031518404612136/Screenshot_2024-12-13-14-31-22-754_com.YoStarEN.AzurLane.jpg?ex=675d34af&is=675be32f&hm=c2f997ad360694f0d3799bef5b7469e3e78065f342f039ea55f6600e7a2ddf7d&
Compared to cheshire is she a worse option? I want a new tank for opsi

[atomic abyss]

by default outside events you shd ALREADY be rolling 1x light anyways

[sweet delta]

it's more optimal to put whatever ships you don't have, and if you don't have too many ships then don't wish special/heavy

[thorn tartan]

wait, if subs get killed in battle, they are gone

[atomic abyss]

chesh is an AA carry
azuma is a proper tank

[eternal basalt]

First focus on CN anni UR, then wishing well

[atomic abyss]

but azuma loses to anchorage and agir anyways

[sweet delta]

yes, ships die if they are killed

[icy cave]

I am doing my daily light pulls

[thorn tartan]

yeah, i must have lost the subs to the first boss..... i ended up not needing them luckilly

[rose cosmos]

I have agir but upgrading her is pain

[atomic abyss]

and curlew is light only

[icy cave]

Yeah it's just that I'm missing more light ships than heavy/special and I understand that event builds are either heavy/special too

[atomic abyss]

well if you dont need the important ships from spec/heavy

sure

but maybe come back and ask that when WW actually comes around

for all you know you get curlew in the next 5 months or so

[icy cave]

That is very true... Thanks for the ans

[rare wyvern]

What's the difference between the two off-flag positions ?

[hollow gust]

basically the same

[atomic abyss]

in 99.9% of cases, basically the same yeah

[slow fox]

yes

[quartz jungle]

Nothing except if you are using Guam

[atomic abyss]

...did you mean guam (again)

[quartz jungle]

Yes

[spark ridge]

Anchor vs agir? Agir better bc dr?

[atomic abyss]

anchor is slightly worse in some cases, and better in others

for one, agir is heavy armour, anchorage isnt

this means agir is more vulnerable to torps and plane bombs than anchorage

anchorage also has the option of using the manjuu for the 8s invul when reaching 0 HP, agir doesnt cos she's not EU

on the other hand, agir being heavy means she takes shell/laser damage better

ancho also has a smoke which benefits team bulk better

agir is usually outright tankier in most cases tho

[spark ridge]

Oke ty

[atomic abyss]

napoli shares similar issues with agir

[quartz jungle]

Agir also has an armour break

[slow fox]

fixed

[hollow gust]

Agir armor break

[fast steppe]

does strategic search on secured stages prioritise daily quests

or do i have to clear those myself

[atomic abyss]

no it doesnt
so you have to select those yourself

[tropic tusk]

12-4 if I want to run full sakura on main could I use that retrofit healer in sakura?

[hollow gust]

If you are grinding you can use anything

[atomic abyss]

sure you can
even without a healer you're fine with enough levels lol

[tropic tusk]

Oh so U don't need unicorn?

[atomic abyss]

the whole point of 12-4/12-1 is that they're exp grinding spots

[hollow gust]

Not when it's safe , w12 is extremly forgiving

[atomic abyss]

there is 0 reason to use your likely already level 125 healer

unless you mean you are just clearing 12-4 for the first time

in which, bring your best team?

[cobalt rapids]

send em and see if they survive

[tropic tusk]

No I'm just doing it for research

[vague merlin]

I'm making a sort of guide on which planes to use on campaign/light/medium/heavy for a server I'm in, anyone can check if there's errors or things to change?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uIjEGxEXFybg1uYshfkLoQdXPld7bMOCoNPJkP1KNos/edit?usp=drivesdk

[atomic abyss]

it doesnt have to be full sakura then

[tropic tusk]

Cause only need main, vanguard can be anything

[atomic abyss]

if you followed this then it's fine

[vague merlin]

basically what I put in the doc then

[atomic abyss]

yep

[opaque gate]

bofors staag good to +13?

[cobalt rapids]

no

[opaque gate]

thank u

[cobalt rapids]

save ur aa plates for better aa guns

ull want em for w15

[strange sphinx]

yoh Umi, Gold Airplanes to +13

?

[cobalt rapids]

~2 conv tb each
~3 hvars

[strange sphinx]

aw no Flapjack?

[cobalt rapids]

only if u got nothing to do with ur gold plates

[strange sphinx]

also is it worth to +13 Tenrai

[cobalt rapids]

yes
about 1-2 tenrais at +13

[strange sphinx]

hmmm still missing 3 bp for 2nd Tenrai

though the first is no +13

[cobalt rapids]

its not highest plane prio for +13 anyway

[frank pulsar]

imho gold planes have higher prio than tenrai for +13

[atomic abyss]

Rainbow planes in general aren't as high prio to +13

[worn quest]

should i buy any ship from the medal shop?

[cobalt rapids]

who do u have in hull rotation

[worn quest]

Yukikaze Z46 Le Triomphant Le Malin

[cobalt rapids]

neither of these dds are helpful
buy z46 with spare medals if u need kms tech
what is the other hull

[worn quest]

i got sirius already from that one

[cobalt rapids]

and sandy?

[worn quest]

um idk

[cobalt rapids]

buy either sirius or sandy dupe for mlb if yes

[worn quest]

ok ty

[strange sphinx]

how high is Eldrige?

[atomic abyss]

what do you mean by high

[coarse heron]

what do you even mean

[strange sphinx]

I mean In terms of Usage

[atomic abyss]

well she's extremely useful

she's not game breaking or anything, but a lot of end game use cases

[strange sphinx]

hmmm ic

[spring bolt]

well you kinda know she's good when ex hard mode bans her skill

[rare wyvern]

Does a healer like Aquila wants to be synced, or just fast loading stuff to have more heals ?

Although the latter wouldn't matter much given the length of a fight

[atomic abyss]

for campaign/mob, you always want to desync lol

[rare wyvern]

Why so ?

Oh, clearing waves, right

[atomic abyss]

yep
and also so you dont send your bombs into the empty waters

[rare wyvern]

For boss fleets too ?

[atomic abyss]

campaign boss fleets yes

[rare wyvern]

Isn't there something like, eating a torpedo increase shelling damage or did I misread that ?

[bright tusk]

Planned to keep that gems book later when I need it. But I accidentaly batch claim it, where it go? My gems still 297 unchanged

[atomic abyss]

depot?

[inland shoal]

At least for the late stages that are actually hard

[bright tusk]

Didn't find it

[inland shoal]

Uhh only if the unit using the torp has a special skill like that

[elfin hollow]

~~ Gone, reduced to atom ~~

[wide ember]

First time seeing this type of research

is this the best one ?

[wind hazel]

they are pretty rare

[atomic abyss]

droprates are excellent
but they cost cubes

[elfin hollow]

I just wanna make sure Im not missing anything, is there any way to extend dock space without gems? Im about to buy more for like the fourth time or smth because Im struggeling so I just wanna make sure

[cobalt rapids]

no other way except guild

[sinful escarp]

aside from guild, only gems

[elfin hollow]

what does guild do?

[cobalt rapids]

• 30 dockspace

[sinful escarp]

but you will need to buy them with guild points and coins

[elfin hollow]

just for joining? Im already in one i didnt recieve that

[sinful escarp]

you unlock/buy them

[elfin hollow]

Oh ok thank you!!!!

[sinful escarp]

its in the guild tab, not the shop

[elfin hollow]

thanks both of you appreciate it

[north topaz]

I've got another Admiralty Fire Control Table and a Triple 460mm Main Gun Mount. Any BBs you recommend giving these to? (Boss or Mob)

[coarse heron]

what UR gear should I craft from gear lab next? Another AA gun?

[subtle cloud]

how good is saint louis after the augment buff?

[whole crypt]

AFCT is definitely better for boss

yamato gun is niche you don't usually use it

[atomic abyss]

the triple 460 remains benched
not a good gun
the fire control table to your boss BB
if she has it already
the other BB thats on mob (if campaign)
otherwise, both boss BBs for opsi

[whole crypt]

bumped a couple margins for anti-light DPS if you lack the top end options

[atomic abyss]

much better, one of the better CAs against light armour
only issue is her best gun is event limited

[undone plover]

I would craft 1 more mk7 if u have a lot of designs
If not hold on to them for gear lab update
Wouldnt rly use selectors on AA designs unless u want to do ch15 and need em and cant wait

[subtle cloud]

alr thanks

[whole crypt]

I'm not sure I'd bother putting AFCT on a mob BB unless it was also doubling duty in your OS BB fleet or something

[subtle cloud]

is there supposed to be another UR event before the end of the year?

[cobalt rapids]

yes in 1 week

[fast steppe]

is the weekly raid the only source of these?

[whole crypt]

arb

[undone plover]

Event shops as well

[whole crypt]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/common_resource#augmentation

[boreal wagon]

and cruise pass

[subtle cloud]

ty

[strange sphinx]

hmmmm why people craft F2F Tigercat?

[cobalt rapids]

coz its cheaper if u have a hellcat

[sharp socket]

is 3m exp overcap enough for 100-125 for UR

[cobalt rapids]

no

[atomic abyss]

not even remotely

[sharp socket]

damn

gotta cogaw amagi then

[atomic abyss]

barely even enough for 120

[sharp socket]

so its enough for 120, alr then

only 2x cogaw needed

[atomic abyss]

...that gray isnt even much more visible on light mode

[whole crypt]

mine is clearer

it is, I can't actually tell the grey on dark mode

[junior walrus]

This chick really tier 0???

[atomic abyss]

with her unique augment, she is very good yes

[cobalt rapids]

shes good against dd
wouldnt invest into her

[atomic abyss]

there are just high prios to invest in

21k is not a small investment

[sharp socket]

is this month harby close to strength difficulty or much lower

[cobalt rapids]

much lower

[junior walrus]

i can think of 2 very big reason i want to invest in her

[cobalt rapids]

most ships come with 2 reasons by default

[hollow gust]

I 2 striked this months harby, hermit has always been the easiest ones

[whole crypt]

tier 0 doesn't really mean anything

there are a lot of good CLs out there it just depends on where you're going and what you need

[dense eagle]

for the yostar account binding thing if i already binded a yostar email to my account previously i dont gotta do anything yes?

[cobalt rapids]

i think u get asked if u wanna use the same email or not

[sinful escarp]

if its the email you want to bind it to yeah

[dense eagle]

im ngl i was skipping through stuff so i may have skipped that

[cobalt rapids]

ngl i did that too but i think i pressed use the same email or smth button

[rain hearth]

any IB ships with 2 aa guns?

[cobalt rapids]

why, i dont think theres any either way

[dense eagle]

when i did that it said already binded with that email or something then gave me a success am i good or nah

[boreal wagon]

if u log into https://account.yo-star.com/ and it shows the correct account there you are good

[atomic abyss]

lmao no
nurnberg aside
all of them are meh to horrendous at AA

[rain hearth]

i see

[dense eagle]

yup ok it shows up thx

[rain hearth]

what is iron blood considered good at?

[cobalt rapids]

ships performance vary within each faction
judge em invidividually

[atomic abyss]

they do have the 2nd best sub fleet and the best BB for BB bossing teams

also the 2nd tankiest frontliner in agir

[rain hearth]

fdg is the best?

[atomic abyss]

lol not even remotely
she's one of the bottom few UR BBs
Bismarck Zwei

[rain hearth]

you hurt me...
so uvh is even lower?

[atomic abyss]

uvh and fdg are around the same level

dont get me wrong tho, even the worst UR BBs are still noticeably ahead of their SR BB counterparts

[rain hearth]

but everyone was hating on uvh when ahe came out

[atomic abyss]

because you'd just use new jersey who came out earlier

who for most intents and purposes, was a better bossing BB than uvh

[rain hearth]

new jersey is boss, uvh is mob

[atomic abyss]

the issue there is that fdg occupies the mobbing role better

[sharp socket]

bad UR BB is still UR, the rainbow statline and kit is still very good (except warspite)

[atomic abyss]

because you'd be forced to run uvh off flag to get the most out of her

and the best mob fleets are 1 BB 2 CV/L

[boreal wagon]

and uvh does like 1 dmg off flag when out of ammo

[rain hearth]

nobody likes warspite lol

[atomic abyss]

uvh has her uses

[rain hearth]

i mean, a smart guy would account for that

[atomic abyss]

but neither her nor fdg are top of the top BBs anymore

[boreal wagon]

the only ways to account for that is not fighting out of ammo (a terrible idea) or not putting uvh flag (at which point other UR bbs beat her)

[atomic abyss]

and the arrival of 2 new UR BBs this year hurts their viability massively lol
say nothing of the 2 reruns

[rain hearth]

so every new ur bb sort of becomes best?
how is alsace

[atomic abyss]

alsace, soyuz, bismarck 2 are the top bossing BBs basically

musashi used to be with them, but she has since been preferred on mobbing duties

[rain hearth]

musashi seems stronger than fdg?

[atomic abyss]

she is way stronger than fdg lol

[rain hearth]

and nj?

[atomic abyss]

same level, slightly better at most

[rain hearth]

nj same as fdg or same as musashi

[sharp socket]

musashi < nj?

[atomic abyss]

as fdg i mean

[vestal glen]

was this worth it or was it a dumb thing to do?

[sharp socket]

sandy retro good

[atomic abyss]

worth... assuming you were about to challenge w13

[rain hearth]

best cl
end of debate

[late flame]

even better with her aug

[atomic abyss]

otherwise, might have been wiser to wait

cos 1 sandy mic is half a UR bulin

[vestal glen]

aaaaand i am still w7....

[sharp socket]

you dont seem like you're lacking in coins, but your coin cap tells me otherwise in where you're at in the game

[atomic abyss]

the best CL is plymouth

[vestal glen]

bruhhh

[atomic abyss]

and there is no competition there

[vestal glen]

i had 100k and spent a bunch to retrofit sandy

[rain hearth]

yh
but top 2 is still top

[atomic abyss]

well now that you got sandy, she will hard carry you i suppose

[vestal glen]

yep im in lvl 50 :/

[atomic abyss]

so you made a bad decision there

[rain hearth]

lvl 70
bow before me

[atomic abyss]

oh well, not much you can do
might as well make the most out of it

[whole crypt]

the only CLs that have anything on Plymouth is San Diego or Shimanto on ch15

[sharp socket]

mightve been early to do that but since you did it anyway you now have a stronk ship

[spring bolt]

well sandy in early game is extremely strong, i just experienced that lol, i don't see anything wrong to retro early tbh

[cobalt rapids]

depends on content...

[atomic abyss]

that's half a UR bulin gone

just before a UR event

[vestal glen]

is there much i can do to fix this btw

[whole crypt]

how early though, costs are kind of high

[atomic abyss]

yes, SO much

[rain hearth]

guys
you just like to call me wrong
admit it

[wind hazel]

you're wrong 🙂

[rain hearth]

sandy hard carries
i mean HARD

[late flame]

oof non mlb sushi

[atomic abyss]

if you didnt retro sandy, you could mlb musashi lmao

[spring bolt]

first 20 day of the game, also had enough ur bulin to full retro a musa

[atomic abyss]

houshou meta is shit
formidable is shit

[hollow gust]

Helena

[vestal glen]

plz, how

[sharp socket]

start by sending your dock in a thread

[vestal glen]

still a bulin away anyways, but ye that makes sense haizz

[cobalt rapids]

depends what content
she aa carries and does good dmg
its just when theres no aa to carry then alot of other options will overshadow her

[whole crypt]

like no one is saying San Diego is bad but context matters

[sharp socket]

sandy does great things against light

[vestal glen]

the ships that is not on my main fleet

[hollow gust]

Sandy hard carries you because you are fighting in newbie content and have none of the op ships

[atomic abyss]

unicorn

[vestal glen]

ye i was thinking of that, still upgrading her tho

[hollow gust]

Sandy got a lot better , but you won't use her outside of campaign

[atomic abyss]

also i'd prolly toss sakawa for a portland retrofit

[rain hearth]

says the guy who said helena would rival, yet thinks sandy isn't as great

[spring bolt]

even i had musa, sandy still did a lot for me

[sharp socket]

[hollow gust]

No ship can do what Helena does

[vestal glen]

wait really?

[rain hearth]

sandy is an awesome investment

[atomic abyss]

sandy is an awesome investment if you need her AA prowess for w13/15

[hollow gust]

Helena is the most powerful damage amplifier ingame

[rain hearth]

everyone obviously does

[atomic abyss]

the issue is that her mic costs half a UR bulin

so she is not a high priority

[cobalt rapids]

no1 said she isnt
just that can't rly make a blank statement like top 1 or top 2 CLs

[atomic abyss]

especially when there is a musashi sitting there without max limit break

[boreal wagon]

youd be surprised how little people go past w12

[rain hearth]

YOU guys make blank statements all the time here

[vestal glen]

aight so this is what i have.......god this is gonna take me forever to build

[atomic abyss]

for 1, not enough gold bulins
for 2, you need a tank
for 3, her retrofit is required by the beginner missions

[spring bolt]

"get rid of helena for good" is what guide makers and devs failed to do for more than 7 years

[cobalt rapids]

feel free to correct me if i do

[vestal glen]

aight imma do that

[sharp socket]

i suggest putting that ego elsewhere for gph

[hollow gust]

Taihou meta looks like Helena is back on the table

[atomic abyss]

...ok well houshou meta is shit too, ranger would be ideal
but better to use long since higher levelled

i highly doubt that houshou meta is enhanced

[spring bolt]

why am i not surprised at all

[vestal glen]

ummmmmmm about that

[whole crypt]

we make blanket statements when those blanket statements are valid

[atomic abyss]

i dont mean to be mean but

there are very few cases in which i would willingly take advise from a cmdr level 70 player

[rain hearth]

ok stop bullshitting
sandy being top 2 cl is wrong?
get the hell out

[whole crypt]

top 2 in what

[vestal glen]

was that on me or someone else, because im lvl 50 :/

[rain hearth]

top 2 cl

[atomic abyss]

not you

[whole crypt]

against what content

[atomic abyss]

you're the one asking, not giving slightly misleading advice

[whole crypt]

you don't seem to understand the problem here
San Diego is very well rated but she's not going to be top 2 without question

[rain hearth]

aa cause that's the main point of cl duh
you just wanna argue

[sharp socket]

top 2 cl for what? light/medium/heavy dps? utility? AA? boss/mob w14/w15? EX? theres many stuff to rate a ship on

[graceful grotto]

Does this let me change my gmail whilst maintaining my current progress?

[whole crypt]

AA is not the sole function of CLs

it's not even the main function of CLs, or any ship class

[rain hearth]

MAIN

[hollow gust]

Sandy is maybe a top 2 CL in campaign and that's being extremly generous . Everywhere else there is like half a dozen better CLs

[atomic abyss]

it isnt the main function of CLs LOL

AA is irrelevant outside campaign to begin with

[whole crypt]

the game does a very poor job of telling you CLs are good at AA when there are poor AA CLs that have very good function outside of AA

[sharp socket]

hull fixation moment

[whole crypt]

that's like saying CAs are great tanks when you have DPS CAs that have poor eHP

[vestal glen]

smth tells me i just started a fight :/

[atomic abyss]

and sandy is the only one there good at AA

all the rest are DPSes or supports lol

[whole crypt]

and Sandy is also tagged for that EX which means its conditional

[rain hearth]

ok
now bullshit this please

[cobalt rapids]

click on the icons above sandys head

[atomic abyss]

because ECTL is bullshit to begin with

[whole crypt]

I suggest you read the ECTL guidelines and realize how little that matters to actual lategame

[sharp socket]

i think he has his mind set on what he thinks and we cant change that

[wind hazel]

gph about to end the void

[atomic abyss]

ECTL isnt even catered to late game content

[rain hearth]

sandy is needed for bloody late game. are you barking mad

[spring bolt]

also there is a trick when retro sandy, you can just leave the retro skill node and reload node to bring down gold retro print cost from 20 to 12, making things much easier

[coarse heron]

My friend's having this problem

[wind hazel]

sorry sandiego isn't for endgame pvp, she's trash

[atomic abyss]

#tech-support

[whole crypt]

I feel like 7 years and 154 commander levels in this game is enough experience to tell you know she isn't

[rain hearth]

this isn't for pvp
go to #pvp

[hollow gust]

Damn where is Sandy in opi

[atomic abyss]

[wind hazel]

this isn't for your delusional take either,
go to #al-general

[rain hearth]

that's what you told me

[atomic abyss]

ok here's the thing

[whole crypt]

Sandy is not in any harb or showdown oneshot comps

[rain hearth]

you are the ones who started arguing

[wind hazel]

yes clearly i am

[atomic abyss]

because you're the one giving misleading advice

[rain hearth]

i literally said sandy is top 2 cl

[atomic abyss]

the fact is, sandy is not top 2 CL

[rain hearth]

who are top 2 cl

[hollow gust]

Sandy is one of the top choices in **campaign ** , however she is seen absolutely nowhere else. The game has a massive amount of content

[atomic abyss]

just because a stupid tierlist puts her as TEX doesnt mean she's top 2

[whole crypt]

how many times did we have to say "depends on what you're doing"

[rain hearth]

who is top 2

[whole crypt]

there's not strict top 2 for the whole game

[atomic abyss]

it depends on the content

[sharp socket]

is she top 2 cl in AA? yes

[cobalt rapids]

shes top 1 ship in AA

[hollow gust]

In campaign Sandy might slide into top 2, everywhere else she is like 7-10

[atomic abyss]

sandy is the best in the game at AA yes
and AA is irrelevant outside campaign

[sharp socket]

seacat shimanto

[cobalt rapids]

shimanto doesnt beat sandy at aa

[sinful escarp]

the game is very subjective, there is no one composition that will work on ALL content

[rain hearth]

there is strict top 2 or 3 for bb but not for cl
just because i am lower level doesn't mean i am stupid

[atomic abyss]

so saying sandy is top 2 CL in the game is incredibly misleading

[hollow gust]

Just cause you are stuck in campaign doesn't mean everyone else is

[sharp socket]

i remember AA chart putting shimanto as #1 post-fs5

[rain hearth]

i am not

[whole crypt]

there's no strict top 2-3 for BB either?

[atomic abyss]

there isnt

[rain hearth]

scroll up

[whole crypt]

there's literally no strict top 2-3 for every hull class

[spring bolt]

helena and aurora imo, the 2 altered boss design, first caused devs to make gimmicks to counter 20s focus fire, second forced devs to significantly reduced light armor boss number

[cobalt rapids]

prob before sandy aug
also it doesnt consider sandys fleet buff

[hollow gust]

And that's just fucking not true , UR BBs rotate depending on content

[shell willow]

if we disregard her teamwide buff then maybe

[atomic abyss]

you are the one that needs to read properly

[floral thunder]

How do you craft Tech Packs?

[whole crypt]

go to depot, if you have enough (5 of one type) there'll be an option to craft up, up to purple

[wind hazel]

click on them and click compose

[floral thunder]

Oh ok thanks

[vestal glen]

now that i think abt it, why is musashi preferred on mobbing? i thought she hit the hardest and had the longest reload?

[atomic abyss]

musashi is the best mobbing BB

[sharp socket]

go to depot press your tech boxes and click compose, you cant craft gold tech boxes

[atomic abyss]

she only has the longest reload if you give her the shit 460mm

[hollow gust]

Musashi is by far the best campaign bb but she falls off top 3 in opsi for 2/3 months . Bismarck will almost always be used in single target BB fleet but she isn't preferred in campaign

[whole crypt]

you can use a fast gun on her her and her barrage helps do the work
she's incredibly durable for tanking late campaign

[atomic abyss]

this skill

is incredibly strong for campaign

[wind hazel]

damn isuzu is pretty busted in AA

[atomic abyss]

it means she can soak up plane or shell damage while taking less from them

[vestal glen]

damn that makes sense

[cobalt rapids]

u can ignore the (150gun) rows because in practice you wont use them with those guns

[wind hazel]

😭

[atomic abyss]

well yes, and absolutely nothing else

[rain hearth]

i am just not going to talk to you guys
you can feel happy rubbing each other's backs

[hollow gust]

Also CLs are mainly AA ships

[atomic abyss]

even sandy pre aug had ok DPS

[rare wyvern]

Doesn't Juneau retro 125 somewhat has like, natural 500 AA or something ?

[atomic abyss]

isuzu has 2 AA gun mounts

[strange sphinx]

Star Sandy

[wind hazel]

501

[atomic abyss]

no matter how high her own AA is, she's not competing with isuzu on pure AA damage when she has just as high AA already

[whole crypt]

look, we're just telling you the game doesn't have simple "this ship is best" for all situations
take it or leave it

[hollow gust]

Don't act like a victim when you don't understand that certain ships fall off in different content

[cobalt rapids]

i mean it was just a remark that a ships performance is situational

[sharp socket]

i was right about this

[rare wyvern]

But single AA mount, sad !

[hollow gust]

Sandy can't be top 2 when she isn't even used outside of campaign

[shell willow]

lol

[rain hearth]

and mine was just a remark that it is a good investment

[whole crypt]

we never denied that

[cobalt rapids]

i dont think any disagreed on that front

[wind hazel]

good long term, not as good short term

[rain hearth]

but it was my pov so it's wrong

[plain saffron]

what drama did i miss this time

[atomic abyss]

yeah im sorry, but im not gonna take shit from a guy who makes this remark here

[hollow gust]

You don't invest in Sandy early on , she is extremly fucking expensive

[rare wyvern]

Also, is Cheshire capable of tanking w15 ?

[whole crypt]

no, we're saying claiming she's "top 2 CL" is wrong
we've never said she's bad or if it's a bad investment

[atomic abyss]

off tank yes, main tank questionable

[hollow gust]

I won't use her

[rain hearth]

that was a JOKE

[wind hazel]

is sandiego top 1 or saratoga top 1?

[rain hearth]

did you seriously not understand a joke

[atomic abyss]

this is #gameplay-help not #al-general
no one can tell if you're joking if you just leave text like that without an emote or a /s

[sharp socket]

no jokes allowed in gph

[atomic abyss]

people can and WILL misinterpret things like that

[rain hearth]

you literally said there is no top 2 cl

[rare wyvern]

Rather her or Seattle as off-tank ? Currently, Seattle is plaheolding as mob off-tank, so far I could clear 15-1

[sharp socket]

only serious gaming in here

[plain saffron]

saratoga obviously

[hollow gust]

There isn't ? Unless you are specific on the content

[late flame]

i mean, imagine giving advice and then.. oops just joking

[whole crypt]

how does that contradict Sandy being a good investment?

[wind hazel]

yeah that's basically the argument here. 1 guy is claiming sandy the best

[rain hearth]

I was the one saying she is a good investment

[atomic abyss]

i thiiink seattle is better, but let me check again

[obsidian ivy]

Do people actually level ships in 15-4? How much carries do you need Vs stragglers? (I know you can't use total shitters)

[whole crypt]

no one said sandy is bad investment
we're just saying she's not top 2 because there's no blanket top 2

[atomic abyss]

no because you need 125 ships there
and it costs a ton of oil

[hollow gust]

U aren't gonna be able to use anything but meta in w15

Unless you want to manual

[obsidian ivy]

It was worth a try

[late flame]

+wastes so much time lol

[hollow gust]

W14-1 is doable , but honestly just stick to 12-1/4

[atomic abyss]

maybe 13-4 if you also want coins

[obsidian ivy]

I was hoping to somehow maximize my time in 15-4 while farming Houston but oh well, full nuke fleet it is

[atomic abyss]

yes, but context matters

[late flame]

13-4 kinda wants some form of AA carry or at least a few CVs

[sinful escarp]

tbh i prefer 12-4 for leveling, there is more leeway on random ships to use

[late flame]

same. i can field rubbish comps in 12-4

[soft dagger]

you can. you need somewhat high tech and cats to do it
also the xp isn't good

[cobalt rapids]

i use this for 15-1
but ull prob want more for 15-4

[obsidian ivy]

[hollow gust]

[late flame]

corpse dragging is fun trust

[obsidian ivy]

Well I assume sushi and unicorn are musts, those are non nego

[rain hearth]

you guys told me elite meta ships are bad

[atomic abyss]

yeah cos sushi absorbs the damage

and they are

[cobalt rapids]

yea im just lvling em

[hollow gust]

95% of them are? But people have tech to level

[boreal wagon]

just because they are bad doesnt mean you shouldnt level them, quite a few of them have very good tech

[late flame]

trash yes but also some do have good tech

[cobalt rapids]

pretty much, eldr aswell

[obsidian ivy]

No Eldridge retro for me tho... that'll prolly just fuck any chance of vg corpse drag

[whole crypt]

bad ship but level everything anyway

[cobalt rapids]

its not corpse dragging
they only die <110 and less than 1/5 runs

[sinful escarp]

those +1 to stat adds up

[whole crypt]

even useless tech I level
you run out of shit to do anyway

[obsidian ivy]

Is that a houshou meta ring

[sinful escarp]

yeah, and with hard cap oil at 25k only you need to spend it on something

[whole crypt]

she's also 125

[late flame]

chasing the wrong meta

[whole crypt]

something I wouldn't recommend for the average player

[strange sphinx]

Arizona Meta Fleet need help

[atomic abyss]

well because of her poison
you want fast ships (DDs) with boilers

so ships like shimakaze and kazagumo are your best friends

[hollow gust]

Zoomies

[whole crypt]

not poison, mist stacks damage debuff

[hollow gust]

Plymouth best tank for Arizona

~~unlike Sandy , she is op everywhere ~~

[strange sphinx]

Serious, Arizona Meta Fleet

[rain hearth]

there are better tanks surely
in cb category

[sharp socket]

oh not again

[wind hazel]

lol

[atomic abyss]

because of the boss gimmicks, CBs are bad for this case

[rare wyvern]

He cannot be stopped

[whole crypt]

Arizona META doesn't want durable ships in particular, it wants fast ships to not catch debuff

are you even aware of the fight gimmick?

[atomic abyss]

the debuff that will cause even the tankiest ships to die

[rain hearth]

oh so that's what for arizona meant

[atomic abyss]

CBs are particularly slow amongst vanguards

[hollow gust]

Not for Arizona meta, Plymouth is god

[whole crypt]

see this is why we keep saying context matters

[obsidian ivy]

Ply(rejoice she does everything)mouth

[rain hearth]

someone
tell me somewhere Plymouth is bad at

[wind hazel]

pvp 🙂

[hollow gust]

There is a reason only she is actually the best CL, she can be used everywhere but pvp

[atomic abyss]

pvp and not an AA carry

[obsidian ivy]

Well she's garbage in CV fleets I guess(?)

[late flame]

+not as tanky as i'd like her to be heh

[rain hearth]

blank statement
bad at pvp

[strange sphinx]

[hollow gust]

Someone is salty

[boreal wagon]

i didnt know arizona meta was pvp

[rain hearth]

yup

[hollow gust]

Still high dps and good enough tank

[rain hearth]

very

[sharp socket]

ok so he's also a troll

[obsidian ivy]

Game really needs new UR CL, surely new upcoming Kms event

[whole crypt]

guys just quit it

[strange sphinx]

yoh celerio, cook some fleet for me,

[rain hearth]

no
i just want you to hold yourselves to the same standards

[whole crypt]

if you want to go on about this topic go some place else

[shell willow]

luckily arizona fight is not pvp

[sharp socket]

i gave up ariM idk how to help you sorry

[late flame]

just burn 200 oil

[plain saffron]

you not making everyone be at same standard, you making everyone hate you more now

what's ariM gimmick again

[whole crypt]

fog damage debuff anchors

[sharp socket]

death aoe

[atomic abyss]

mist that debuffs you to take enough damage to kek you

[rain hearth]

i am just saying what you said
not to make blanket statements and that everything has specific use cases, and that there is no best at everything

[atomic abyss]

look

[whole crypt]

that's not just for you that's for grey and anyone else who wants to drag this topic

[atomic abyss]

you're just arguing in bad faith in this point

[rain hearth]

i am salty

[atomic abyss]

the earlier part i could still accept

this part

[late flame]

speedrun mute any%

[atomic abyss]

im telling you once

[sharp socket]

gph is no place to be salty

[hollow gust]

There is a different between blanket statement that applies in 1/8 context vs 7/8

[whole crypt]

the topic is just bloody over ffs

[atomic abyss]

if you're willing to ask, ask/answer questions properly as you just were a few minutes ago

like here #gameplay-help message

i have nothing to say and would encourage you to stay

but if you're gonna sit there, add snark just because you're salty

fuck off

[plain saffron]

[wind hazel]

[vestal glen]

guy is cooking

[rain hearth]

that's what he did
i just wanted to help the guy know that sandy is good, but everyone attacked me with technicalities.
and now you are telling me to not even go with technicalities

[atomic abyss]

no it wasnt what he did

[rain hearth]

?

[vestal glen]

just chill down guys plz, i did make the option to retrofit sandy based on en tierlist and the general tierlist, but its fine lah

[sharp socket]

if you're referring to mori he's just like that

[plain saffron]

is it even blanket statement, when he specifically said at arizona

[atomic abyss]

goose can be an asshole, this is not one of those times

[rain hearth]

i am bad at remembering names

[wind hazel]

[atomic abyss]

goose, just accept it, you are one at times

[hollow gust]

Cause people are stubborn

[whole crypt]

doesn't mean you're not a prick at times

[forest palm]

[rain hearth]

i feel better thanks
I'll go salt my food by touching it

[atomic abyss]

context matters a lot

[rain hearth]

jk

[strange sphinx]

should I +13 Champy gun?

[atomic abyss]

as you so found out when you asked about using CB as tanks for arizona meta without knowing better

[cobalt rapids]

up to 2

[strange sphinx]

aight

[whole crypt]

3 is good too but at that point you can choose a sidegrade

[rain hearth]

depends on context
no blanket statements

[atomic abyss]

ok

[hollow gust]

Should test Eldridge tank for CVs

[wind hazel]

lol

[rapid grail]

recs used to be 3 champy guns at +13 but nowadays it's 2 +13 champy guns and 1 +13 flandre gun for timing

[vestal glen]

haizz do i really have to wait for this to grind unicorn helena and portland? feels soo slow......

[whole crypt]

do you even understand what is being asked, or are you just looking to get kicked out of here

[atomic abyss]

/mute 6h 789744838433964042 Arguing in bad faith and trolling in gameplay-help despite warnings not to.

[vestal glen]

is there really no other way to speedrun exp for ships? instead of exp book

[plain saffron]

except in 100% of the situation +13 champy gun is the good option

[odd root]

voidtheend#0 got temporarily muted. Reason: Arguing in bad faith and trolling in gameplay-help despite warnings not to.

[late flame]

there we go

[whole crypt]

sigh

[wind hazel]

where are you grinding now?

[obsidian ivy]

About time honestly

[vestal glen]

stuck at w7

[hollow gust]

Well moral is still maxed , so you can def grind lower chapyers

[whole crypt]

commander level?

[rapid grail]

That is not how you level up your ships, instead treat it more as morale regen. So get these ships in campaign and supplement it with dorm mood regen for faster progression

[vestal glen]

do they give same amount of exp?

[wind hazel]

is this the point to grind at SP5?

[plain saffron]

main way to lvl up is use them in fight

[vestal glen]

50

[hollow gust]

Well it's less but what can you do

[whole crypt]

levelgated at ch7 is the time to do archive yeh

[vestal glen]

fair

[whole crypt]

which archive depends on what you can get to

[vestal glen]

so i prolly drop the ships that have higher oil intake right?

[plain saffron]

ignore oil cost

[vestal glen]

hmm?

[plain saffron]

/oilpsa

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468804119377739776/949345167092105277/Untitled_presentation-page-001.jpg

[strange sphinx]

Now should I +13 those pipes (CV auxes)?

[plain saffron]

you can use less ships and be slightly more oil efficient but you also will need more time

[late flame]

TIL one called steam cata a pipe

[wind hazel]

eventually

dont think they are that high on priority

[vestal glen]

hmm but i wanna grind 3 of my vanguards and unicorn.....is it really still worth to be using musashi and houshou meta there?

[vestal glen]

ngl gonna switch sandy for portland

[hollow gust]

You are really gonna need a tank

[late flame]

sushi yes h.meta no

[whole crypt]

aux is low priority, if you have spare aux plates it's fine but don't use selectors for them

[hollow gust]

More like waka

Or Helena

[vestal glen]

oh ye didnt see that

[plain saffron]

i would switch out helena just bcs of the levels

[whole crypt]

aux only gain small increase in stat which adds even less overall after including ship stat

[hollow gust]

Probably Helena , you really don't need more damage amp

[vestal glen]

i meant i wanted to grind portland, helena, and sandy

[plain saffron]

then rearrange when 2nd fleet

[strange sphinx]

Last question, what's the tech of Lala and nana

[wind hazel]

none

[plain saffron]

no tech

[hollow gust]

Portland Waka Sandy is fine

[hollow gust]

It would be extremly unfair for them to have tech

[vestal glen]

but my helena is pretty low level...is that optimal? like the main goal was to grind her along the way i thought

[whole crypt]

collab have 0 tech

[wind hazel]

you can grind helena when you are raising second fleet

[vestal glen]

so i dont drop any of my mains? even tho they are alr stacked and suck up oil?

[vestal glen]

ah ok then

[whole crypt]

he's stuck at ch7 so unless he's going to oilcap in archive it's moot

[wind hazel]

open thread and post dock, lemme see what waifu you have

[wind hazel]

[sharp socket]

well you cant go wrong by continually spending oil

[potent plume]

hello! are there any characters from the to love ru collaboration that stand out?

[whole crypt]

what's the problem it's not the worst we've seen

[late flame]

3 pink hair frontlines

[wind hazel]

because it's only 1 ss, and on this channel

[whole crypt]

it's enough though

[strange sphinx]

.aw, oh well gonna back later for more questions

[vestal glen]

what did i do?

[wind hazel]

nothing, nevermind

[whole crypt]

nah you're fine

[wind hazel]

tbh just keep using them lol

[atomic abyss]

nana, lala and darkness are some of the best of their respective roles... as far as non URs are concerned

[wind hazel]

unless you're hiding someone like enterprise down there

[vestal glen]

so imma just leave it like this and start grinding like chapter 2 or 3?

[atomic abyss]

you're probably not going to use them for anything difficult

[wind hazel]

which was my point nnt get what i mean now?

[vestal glen]

still planning to pull the tiktok reward from mail coz i need more fuel rn

feels broke

[vestal glen]

nope, i aint. still a noob here

ngl getting musashi was pure luck, got her at like 50

[potent plume]

I was kind of expecting that, thanks! :)

[vestal glen]

i start wondering if its even worth it to save up my coins now and go for the next banner

[wind hazel]

you should yes

UR event=stock up on coin for ship build

[vestal glen]

i mean i have enuf for 50 rn, but do i even spend it at that time

[wind hazel]

you might

[vestal glen]

or do i just keep saving for the next banner after that

[wind hazel]

huh

[spring bolt]

early game experience is shit and that's why the lv70 cmdr level pack is good, you are always running low on most resources

[vestal glen]

btw is it worth to set double reward double oil for grinding ships? or is it a bad idea because i get lesser exp?

[wind hazel]

you get double the exp

[vestal glen]

ah

[ivory pawn]

You get double exp too, it’s justa a time saver.

[late flame]

HELP? its for when you lack time. combines 2 runs into 1

[whole crypt]

depends on how much you care about morale bonus and how much time you spend on the game

[wind hazel]

but also double the morale loss. if you can play for long hours, don't need to use them

[vestal glen]

so ig ill just use it huh

[whole crypt]

if you want to use morale bonus consistently HELP will drain you out too fast

[wind hazel]

i gtg in 1hr=use HELP
i gtg in 5hr loool=don't use HELP

[late flame]

basically a timesaver for when one lacks play time

[whole crypt]

I don't gtg forever=hoarding for 4 years

[potent plume]

are there any fleet tech priorities btw ?

[vestal glen]

whats HELP?

[late flame]

tbh i forget HELP exists kek

[wind hazel]

but if you're grinding at war archive, use HELP

[whole crypt]

high efficiency combat logistics plan

[vestal glen]

seems like it helps ppl alright

[whole crypt]

I'm very aware they exist I just refuse to use them

[wind hazel]

BB CV=rld, hit, fp/avi
CA CL=eva, fp
DD= fp

more or less. might be forgetting some

[whole crypt]

BB RLD only matters until it doesn't