gameplay-help

[barren tapir]

and barrages are important lol

[eternal moth]

Hood's barrage is doing the majority of the work in that difference

[viscid swift]

don't underestimate how much a good barrage contributes to a ship, just look at Scylla

[mellow cape]

Why not just test it yourself void and report back

[rain hearth]

makes sense yh
but isn't hood still overhyped for just the barrage

[barren tapir]

thats misleading bc it says 'have operation supply coins' for both when it needs token and when it needs coin

[viscid swift]

her barrages make her, if she didn't have them she'd be another mediocre dido

[rain hearth]

going for dinner

[barren tapir]

just look at nana or neptune or momo

[plain saffron]

afaik barrage is actually used on combat

[crimson glacier]

how can you know whats overhyped if you dont know anything

[zinc cave]

But we're not using the barrages for the same use case.

[crimson glacier]

just say that you dislike the art or something

[viscid swift]

I don't want to pull that card but we have a lot more experience than you do and knowledge about the game

sometimes it's better to take on advice and learn rather than push soemthing you clearly no next to nothing about

[eternal moth]

Warspite may as well not even have a barrage for how useful it is

[barren tapir]

yeah i feel like theres a waifu bias happening here lmfao

[plain saffron]

i hate warspite

[eager mulch]

i hate saratoga

[barren tapir]

throws hands up in the air that's what i said!

[soft raft]

yeah, wouldnt be surprised if Hood barrage beats warspite barrage on bossing lol

[plain saffron]

blocked

[eager mulch]

i love saratoga

[eternal moth]

I used both Hood and Warspite extensively when I started playing, and I can tell that now, Hood is far more useful

[barren tapir]

unless the boss is super far back im 90% sure it does

[wary hawk]

Please be quiet when you aren't being replied to

[zinc cave]

Yeah actually Warspite might not even win head to head in a bossing damage comparison

[viscid swift]

that I actually doubt

especially if it's heavy armor

[hollow gust]

On light warspite loses , she eeks out slightly in other armor

[barren tapir]

well i was only comparing barrages, warspite does have better raw shelling iirc

[zinc cave]

Yeah barrage wise*

[plain saffron]

event ending this week?

[hollow gust]

Raw shelling doesn't compensate for everything else being non existent

[viscid swift]

but this is rather senseless, just use Nelson retro for that

[soft raft]

Yup
buncha unique augs this week and CTA next week

[ocean fog]

ay, the dojo is open, come here mate. Ima put you into shape

[zinc cave]

1 day left

[barren tapir]

hood barrage can miss if enemy is far back but if like half of it hits the boss it would probably outdo warspite's dinky dinky

[plain saffron]

wait what

[barren tapir]

didnt say it did

[soft raft]

Yubari, Roon, Saint Louis, Bogue, and Hoshou are getting unique augs

[hollow gust]

Call to arms is always exciting , anything but Italian would be awesome

[remote quarry]

Roon needed one

[barren tapir]

every pr1 needed/needs one

[plain saffron]

don't put too much expectation on augments

[soft raft]

coping for Monarch aug to make her as good as Izumo aug

[wind hazel]

monarch will get anson as augment 🙂

[barren tapir]

if the devs dont hate monarch they'll at least make it a 100% barrage

[viscid swift]

message unclear, reduce her barrage proc rate to 50%

[barren tapir]

idk if that'd be enough to make her good tho would it

[hollow gust]

She needs better scaling for light

[remote quarry]

It would put her back above Hood at least

[barren tapir]

well on med/heavy

[soft raft]

it would at least make her damage output more consistent

[barren tapir]

[plain saffron]

inb4 increase rld % more

[mellow cape]

I also guess he's new so he probably doesn't have warspite maxed out lol. Can't even test it

[eternal moth]

Monarch's the one I'm most excited for ever since they released Izumo's aug

[barren tapir]

well first message 2 years ago so who knows

[plain saffron]

i wish they can get rid of the rld buff on monarch

[mellow cape]

True true but also this was yesterday

[barren tapir]

replace rld buff with dmg buff

[wind hazel]

let's not go there, just discuss the ships

[plain saffron]

looks like 11 months ago to me

[barren tapir]

2022 is not 11 months ago xd

[eternal moth]

Ah date formats across the world, my nemesis

[eternal moth]

12/01 can be read as either Dec. 1 or Jan. 12

[mellow cape]

I made a new player mistake years ago and maxed out warspite cause the video I watched was made 3 years prior to that point about warspite hype lol

[barren tapir]

i mean his first message in this server

which is feb 21 2022

[plain saffron]

the joke is too hard

[eternal moth]

It's ok, I got it

[barren tapir]

least it's needed for collection

[mellow cape]

[barren tapir]

[plain saffron]

you'll do it anyways later on

[soft raft]

And she's +2(?) HIT tech

[barren tapir]

dont need retro for tech tho

[eager mulch]

[eternal moth]

I do wish Washington had a sharpshooter talent, considering what she was known for

[ocean fog]

only psychopath use MM/DD/YY instead of YY/MM/DD or DD/MM/YY

[mellow cape]

Just convert all your date data to datetime format and forget about UK vs. US dates loll

[barren tapir]

proud psycho

[eternal moth]

Bold move, calling almost the entirety of the US psychopathic

[barren tapir]

also hot take theres no difference between mm/dd/yy and yy/mm/dd

[viscid swift]

call me a psycho then because I'm stateside

[novel solstice]

Bold, but also correct.

[ocean fog]

aren't they?

[barren tapir]

#notallamericans

[hollow gust]

Day month year is stupid , but not as stupid as starting with year

[viscid swift]

anyway, let's not derail this channel any further

[barren tapir]

[remote quarry]

It is written Month, Day, Year (Ex: January 1st, 2025), so why would we not write it the same way in numbers?

[viscid swift]

an interesting question but not one for this channel

[ocean fog]

why the heck one write month first if a month is a collection of days

[remote quarry]

Whoops, thought we were in off-topic. my bad

[viscid swift]

#off-topic

[stone sluice]

I had supply coins but not the tokens. I got 50 tokens so I claimed the daily. Thank you

[rain hearth]

i am back
yh exactly
there are much better ships
but yh sure, these veterans specifically glorify hood

[barren tapir]

you can also do 16 january 2025 though. again depends where you are from what is the norm

i mean yes there are much better ships than both hood and warspite lol

[eternal moth]

Because she's easy to get and outfit, that's the biggest thing

[soft raft]

Oh here we go again

[barren tapir]

[rain hearth]

i get it
i like some ships that aren't great
but i accept that
hood just has below avg stats
and just one barrage skill
no matter how good that is
it isn't enough to justify the hype

[eternal moth]

And there's zero reason to retrofit Warspite of all ships

[barren tapir]

what hype

[viscid swift]

hype compared to what exactly

[zinc cave]

Are we ignoring the 40% RLD buff?

[soft raft]

"Just one barrage skill"

[eternal moth]

Enterprise only has one skill and medium armor, along with middling efficiencies. Is she bad too?

[soft raft]

Yes we are because that barely relevant to her kit

[remote quarry]

Hood is great for new players. And she is the permanent flagship for my opSi Mob fleet. She gets the job done, no need to look further than that.

[barren tapir]

that bit is mostly ignorable tbf

[viscid swift]

and again, why do you think you yourself are so quallified to make such a bold claim when you haven't even used her, vs those of us who have among other things

[rain hearth]

so you say fp mean jackshit
but no rld is great
see the hypocrisy

[barren tapir]

i guess it helps her shoot her good barrage more often

[viscid swift]

do you even understand how reload works in AL?

[eternal moth]

He's just trolling at this point, ignore and move on.

[soft raft]

Ignore that, the RLD buff is very negligible

[barren tapir]

the rld buff is a minor thing

[viscid swift]

or anything in AL for that matter

[rain hearth]

i know i did the calculations with the under root

[barren tapir]

but ruppy cuter

[soft raft]

X to doubt

[rain hearth]

exactly
fp stat is far more relevant
but they completely choose to ignore that

[viscid swift]

right I'm done with this nonsense

[barren tapir]

dont think so...just a very very stubborn new player

[rain hearth]

i mean
am i wrong?
guys i dont hate hood personality
waifu and usability are separate

but hood really just has terrible stats and the barrage isn't enough to justify it

[viscid swift]

and that is where you are wrong

[barren tapir]

could've fooled me

[soft raft]

You're just factually wrong it's not even funny

[viscid swift]

best example of a ship with mediocre stats but still doing really well because of barrages is scylla

[barren tapir]

no no it is funny

[rain hearth]

then tell me exactly how i am wrong
you told me about barrage
and i accepted it

tell me more

[eternal moth]

If you don't accept that there's literally nothing else we can do to get through to you

Her barrage is the entire reason she's good.

[barren tapir]

let me ask, have you actually used her in combat, and have you levelled her skill, and have you made her augment?

[rain hearth]

i don't know scylla

[remote quarry]

The problem is you are assigning a high priority to stats to what is essentially a mobbing ship. Mob ships do not need to have high stats, they just need to clear waves as fast as possible. Her barrage is great at that. If she were being used in a boss fleet, your criticsm would be more accurate

[viscid swift]

just from stats dido and scylla look almost the same

by your logic they should perform about the same, they don't

Scylla is considered among the best SR CLs in the game for damage, aprticulaly mobbing damage whereas Dido is just mediocre

[barren tapir]

isnt dido's augmented barrage pretty good dido would still be a decent example of barrage gud imo

[rain hearth]

i haven't used
i looked at the stats a year ago and didn't go ahead

[barren tapir]

taking her from trash to mediocre

[eternal moth]

And there we have it.

[barren tapir]

i mean tbf if you're a year in you dont need to care if hood is good or not since you'd have much better options by then

[hollow gust]

Hood does more with the firepower stat she has

[rain hearth]

i am not comparing equal stats
i am saying hood has terrible stats
great barrage
but that doesn't make her great

[barren tapir]

hood is good and accessible for new players thats why she is highly recommended

[remote quarry]

I'm 6 years into the game, still use Hood daily

[mellow cape]

On that note of Scylla, I've been leveling her up the past week. What does a fleet containing Scylla typically look like??

[viscid swift]

and I'm saying that Scylla's stats aren't good
and using Dido as a control of sorts

[soft raft]

Then that absolutely sinks any form of credibility you could've had

Like when Aurora says he didn't find her that good, I didn't flip out at him since that's from his experience of using her

But for you, you didn't even use her at all yet you're trying to act like you are qualified to give a suitable take

[barren tapir]

yes but that's by choice

there are better ships

[rain hearth]

yh
i use certain ships too
not because they are the best
just that i like the personality

[soft raft]

Typically a mob fleet so like with Unicorn and 4 other good ships that for the content idk

[zinc cave]

Warspite Retrofit has more FP, RLD and ACC than Bismarck Zwei, so Warspite is stronger right?

[barren tapir]

i also stress that it's her preaugmented version that i found somewhat lacking, which is understandable ofc, she wasnt maxed out

[viscid swift]

this is why Scylla is so good, it's all down to her barrages

[remote quarry]

There are, but for mob fleets, you quickly reach a point of "good enough", especially for OpSi. So no need to throw resources into "Better" mob ships when the one I have does everything I need it to

[barren tapir]

just at the time i did not have the resources to make her augment and by the time i did, i had better bbs

[rain hearth]

that right there
there are much better starter ships
i would say uni is the best

[hollow gust]

Warspite wose then half the ships here despite having more firepower

[viscid swift]

a good barrage can turn a ship with somewhat underwhelming stats into a great one, same with skills

[eternal moth]

Uni and Hood don't perform the same tasks though

[remote quarry]

[soft raft]

Dawg Unicorn and Hood do very different things

They're not even the same hulltype for that matter

[eternal moth]

Unicorn is also considered one of the most useful ships in the game, so that's not really a fair comparison

[rain hearth]

i get that
it's just that the base stats seem terrible

[mellow cape]

Skills matter too lol

[viscid swift]

terrible compared to what exactly

[rain hearth]

yh you are right

[barren tapir]

to be fair, dido gets better with augment but yeah scylla is still a good bit better

[eternal moth]

You're WAY too hung up on stats. They don't matter as much as you think

[soft raft]

And we've been trying to tell you that base stats are not everything

[remote quarry]

For starter mob BB's, a better comparison would be Hood vs Nelson(retro). Hood wins, because at least she does not need a retro to be decent

[hollow gust]

Dido still trash asf

[viscid swift]

stats do matter, but they're only one cog/factor of many to what makes a ship good

[barren tapir]

yeah it's just we talked about comparing ships at their max state so it's only fair to do that with dido as well

[viscid swift]

as I said earlier, having bad stats while it doesn't help does not automatically make a ship bad

Hood, Scylla, etc are all proof of that

[rain hearth]

so this is how i understand it:
bb are GENERALLY better at overall stats than bc
but bc can offset that with skills

in this case hood has one barrage skill which is great but not enough to match it up with the bb. at least that's what i think

[barren tapir]

?

bb vs bc doesnt matter outside of hard mode requirements occasionally

[viscid swift]

generally is a really bad term to apply to anything in AL

and there's no practical difference between a BB and a BC, it's just flavor text basically

[barren tapir]

UR bbs are generally better than lower rarity BBs

[viscid swift]

because speed and armor for main fleets don't matter in AL

[rain hearth]

ok
hood has below avg firepower, bad armor

[barren tapir]

/smug

[viscid swift]

why do you think armor type matters so much for main fleets

[eternal moth]

You're still bringing up armor. Why?

[viscid swift]

there's only practically 3 sources of damage main fleets take, AVI, burns, and shelling from enemy BBs

[eternal moth]

Almost all CVs have medium armor, does that make them bad?

[rain hearth]

(armor is just for exercises. don't worry about it)

[soft raft]

Medium armor is like the most common armor type

Now if she were light armor, you maybe would have a point, but no she isnt

[hollow gust]

You know who stomps warspite , this girl . And she has much less firepower

[viscid swift]

then why do you keep bringing it up in a channel focused on PvE and Hood is literally one of the nest budget options for PvP

[rain hearth]

yh
but this isn't a cv or cvl

[barren tapir]

what

[hollow sail]

the skills is what really makes the ship anyway; although it is true BC have lower stats overall than BB it wouldn't matter if they get barrages with very strong base damage or good stat buffs from skills

[viscid swift]

you think BBs take more damage than CVs and CVLs?

[rain hearth]

i only see gameplay help
no separate channels for pvp or pve

[barren tapir]

armor pretty important when it comes to your own damage

[viscid swift]

#pvp exists

[remote quarry]

Jimmy reading this thread and having a stroke...

[mellow cape]

LOL #pvp

[soft raft]

You're trying to imply that Medium armor = shit when like 80% of the ships in this game (both good and bad) have medium armor

Once again, stop getting hung up on the base stats

[barren tapir]

#pvp

[rain hearth]

but not gameplay help pvp

[viscid swift]

it's also in the rules of the channel

[barren tapir]

do you have a pvp related question or just want to discuss pvp

[ocean fog]

why this debate keep going somewhere else that matters, im confused

[rain hearth]

ok
now you guys are just trying to slide me into pvp
it's not a pvp question
it's a hood question
pve + pvp

[rain hearth]

that's what i am saying
they are trying to avoid it

[eternal moth]

You're the one that brought up PvP. We're trying to get clarification

[viscid swift]

Hood in PvP and Hood in PvE are 2 very different kettles of fish

[barren tapir]

i do not know anymore what you're asking

[hollow gust]

warspite has one of the most bloated firepower stats to compensate for her having nothing else

[barren tapir]

not warspite again

[viscid swift]

and frankly most of us don't do PvP that seriously, our main focus is PvE

questions related to PvP are better discused in the PvP channel

[wind hazel]

holy, this is still ongoing

[ocean fog]

its you that lead the debate to move somewhere else though. . .

[barren tapir]

[rain hearth]

summay
why the hype for hood
it isn't great in terms of stats
barrage great but not enough to justify

[barren tapir]

well we told you already, she is a good, accessible bb option for new players

[viscid swift]

"it isn't great in terms of stats barrage great but not enough to justify"

we've literally been explaining why this is wrong for the past half hour at least

[hollow gust]

Easy to get ship, easy to invest in
stats mean jack shit in performance ,skills does
good barrage makes or breaks a ship

[soft raft]

[zinc cave]

Stats the only important thing?

[barren tapir]

[spring bolt]

what's the difference? both are useless

[wind hazel]

fuck hood, im in tirpitz camp now. dfg convinced me

[rain hearth]

ok
listen
just one skill
shouldn't it have more skills

[mellow cape]

That's a #al-general debate

[cobalt rapids]

same reason portland is hyped
best cost/return from permanent options to get newbies to progressin campaign till they get better options
neither has a stage on endgame

[eternal moth]

Enterprise only has one skill. Is she bad?

[barren tapir]

gotta go hood if doing pr5 focus path, because how the fuck you gonna get HMS points

[rain vine]

tell that to enterprise

[hollow gust]

means absolute nothing, older ships have less skills, doesnt make then worse

[rain hearth]

... is what i am saying (kinda)

[soft raft]

The # of skills isn't the only thing determines how good a ship is

It's how they use that skill slot that counts

[barren tapir]

well portland is the opposite of hood. great stats and nonexistent skills

[hollow gust]

Helena and Enty have two of the most busted skills ingame, keeps them more then relevant

[mellow cape]

Enty also has one skill

[soft raft]

There's plenty of dogshit ships that have three skills and meanwhile there's Enterprise competing with UR CVs off of one skill alone

[viscid swift]

and to clarify just in case you're confused, this is her main competiton

plus Nelson, Colorado, and Maryland

[rain hearth]

yh
and retrofit doesn't give any skill either
it sucks

[barren tapir]

but shes a good newbie tank

[ocean fog]

what the heck u mean barage isn't enough to justify

the dumb comparison is; if warspite has 500 FP but 1x barrage shell

vs

Hood with 320 FP with 6x barrage shell

are you that bad at math?

[rain hearth]

yh
that
i feel like there are better bb in there

[barren tapir]

TIRPITZ

[soft raft]

There isnt

[viscid swift]

there aren't besides Nelson retro

the rest are either comparable or worse

[eternal moth]

There aren't.

[barren tapir]

also he's convinced warspite is better so idk if posting that helps xd

[rain hearth]

Really?

[hollow gust]

u mean the ironblood version of warspite

[viscid swift]

yes really

[barren tapir]

nah because tirpitz has use as an fdg unlocker

automatically makes her better

[hollow gust]

fully buff tirpitz has the damage of warspite, so shes useless asf fuck other then tech

also reliant on one of the worst SR bbs ingame

[barren tapir]

and what's hood's fully buff damage anyway

the argument for picking tirpy isnt her being good btw, it's to unlock fdg sooner and easier

[rain hearth]

if you are wondering where i am

i am going to spend my time looking at these again stats plus skill

[barren tapir]

and because she is not BAD ENOUGH to be a liability when pushing to ch12. she's fine.

[soft raft]

Fuck and I thought he finally saw the light for once, guess I was wrong

[viscid swift]

it depends on how you look at it

[cobalt rapids]

did dfg complete his tirpitz journey to w12 with no issues ?

[rain hearth]

yh
unfortunately

[barren tapir]

my take is

tirpy for pr4 focus path
hood for pr5 focus path

cos you aint getting plymouth unlocked without hood helping the devastating HMS point situation. pr4 can go either but earlier fdg is nice imo and tirpy can be used for both fdg and avp

[rain hearth]

i have been wondering
what's dfg

[spring bolt]

stuck by cmdr level

[viscid swift]

like I said my main argument is Hood will get you there faster and with less hassle to the point where the bonus of unlocking FDG earlier doesn't it balance out

[zinc cave]

Deathfire's Grasp.

[barren tapir]

well doesnt matter because both of them are better options for progression than warspite pick one and yolo

[eternal moth]

I'll give you one guess

[cobalt rapids]

dfg is a person
fdg is a rainbow bb from season 2

[viscid swift]

there's also the matter of one fleeting to W12 with Tirpitz but that's another thing

[rain hearth]

i actually agree with that
i have returned on a new server after a long time of leaving so i am gathering iron blood ships for that

[barren tapir]

my argument against hood is nelson performed nicely without gold bulins or augment

my argument for hood is nelson needs retrofit which can be either easy or quite painful depending on guild shop rng and how many HM chapters you can 3 star easily

[rain hearth]

i see
i am blind

[spring bolt]

yeah just a clearification: i have nothing to do with fdg

[rain hearth]

that was my first guess

[barren tapir]

nelson also has 2 skills to level to hoods 1 which isnt a big deal later but can be early when short on red books

[rain hearth]

i mean that dfg is fdg

[barren tapir]

also roon augment may make roon the easy solution to fdg wait and see

[ocean fog]

literally the thing I had to face now

dang too much offensive skill to upgrade

[rain hearth]

holy moly
yh Tirpitz is so much better
so much tech points

[eternal moth]

Yeah, I'm anticipating she'll be the recommended tank for people to grab until Ancho/Agir

[viscid swift]

Roon's augment wouldn't help with her accessibility though

[hollow sail]

hood barrage and reload buff is so much more useful than warspite's barrage and stats that it really doesn't matter how good warspite numbers are. even if somehow, warspite was marginally better, her retro cost is absurd for what it provides in present day. that isn't to say there can't be a niche scenario where warspite is better than hood, but not to the point of being truly relevant

[barren tapir]

BUT tho

neptune is eugen bulk

[eternal moth]

Oh right, Neptune got stonk with her aug didn't she?

[soft raft]

Kinda yes
Izumo and Ibuki were the main winners out of the PR1 augs so far

[barren tapir]

like +50% ehp it was kinda insane, she went from below phoenix (low 80s) up to eugen (mid 120s)

[rain hearth]

yh
i just switched
at first i was
warspite is better than hood
but then i was enlightened

[hollow gust]

please dont say tirpitz is better then either performance wise, istg

[barren tapir]

well imo neptune is a really good and easily accessible mobtank only issue is she does get supplanted the moment you begin making anchorage-tier research ships

[wind hazel]

tirpitz is better

[barren tapir]

but the same would hold true for roon tbh, and the tech argument is basically fdg vs plymouth (seriously HMS is hard lol)

[rain hearth]

now i am saying Tirpitz is better than Hood

[soft raft]

Common issue with alot of Perma SR tanks tbh

[viscid swift]

I'm just gonna go off myself at this point

[barren tapir]

goose called it, jesus

[undone plover]

Other issue is nep needs RN vanguard cdc grind

[hollow gust]

Mf she is literally worse then warspite , where is she better

[wind hazel]

tbh i went back and check, not having tirpitz is kinda pepega when you decide to grind for FDG

[rain hearth]

it is better

[whole crypt]

Tirpitz is better than Hood if you want KMS tech/xp but literally worse in every other way

[eternal moth]

God that part is such pain

[soft raft]

Oh fuck right off
You read two people discuss a mostly meme strategy and thought "oh hey that's the good shit"? Damn that's crazy

[wind hazel]

do people without tirpitz just grind the CDC with scharn and gnei?

[barren tapir]

javelin leander cope

honestly idk how i did her but being in a long event probably helped

oh yeah i got sirius from medals lol

[rain hearth]

one word
two words
four words
tech points

[mellow cape]

Huh

[hollow gust]

2 worlds, Tirpitz sucks

[viscid swift]

that made literally no sense

[undone plover]

It is doable and on par with roon grind probably
Just a bit painful

[soft raft]

That's literally it
Also that was two words not 4

[barren tapir]

and before that the grind of divergent chessboard

[rain hearth]

fdg is great
hence Tirpitz is great

[eternal moth]

Javelin Leander London

[whole crypt]

there's a difference between having useful tech and a ship being good

[soft raft]

I did the British PR/DR ships in reverse (before Plymouth came out) LOL

[hollow sail]

flawless logic, thank you

[barren tapir]

i forgot about london tbh. but also i just used leander + sirius, only 2 it took a while admittedly

[soft raft]

?????????

[rain vine]

hood gets you to 12-1 faster, where you can actually farm for gold and exchange medals for tirpitz and fdg

[frank pulsar]

you havent tried london tank?

[barren tapir]

i mean you're probably getting hood via medals...so...

[soft raft]

What are these mental gymnastics this guy is doing

[spring bolt]

no, not at all, cuz real issue is cmdr level, hood can't do anything about that

[zinc cave]

Do you guys think they'll keep the ammo swap on Roon with the augment?

[rain hearth]

I'll explain
there's this joke
a guy says one word
then realizes the thing is two words but he has already said two words
so he says four words

[hollow sail]

tirpitz not even worth the tech points tbh

[frank pulsar]

depends

[undone plover]

I am actually curious does hood rly get you to ch12 faster than tirp?
Arent u locked by commander level anyway?

[barren tapir]

idk i never used her

[eternal moth]

If you have Hood already she is

[whole crypt]

if you want to meme or troll there are other channels
Tirpitz is useful for tech points if that's your goal but that doesn't make her a good ship

[undone plover]

Tirp is also 2 fp tech

[barren tapir]

i think i'll be mlbing her for tech points soon but rn im bulinstarved (a perpetual state of being ever since i started going for research tech points)

its 3 days into december and ive already consumed 8 of the 10 medal shop bulins + this weeks bulins lol

[soft raft]

Lol

[rain hearth]

why are you getting upset
i was just answering
do you not joke

i said Tirpitz is better cause tech points
you wasted more space trying to be self righteous

[barren tapir]

brother you did not initially say that you said better, fullstop

[wind hazel]

damn you guys are getting somewhere else now

[hollow sail]

while fdg still solid she's def on lower end of UR main fleets now and you'll prob get a more than acceptable SR BB to cope mob fleets with + some other event UR BB in the time it takes you to chase fdg

[ocean fog]

[barren tapir]

ruppy im kidding ofc

[eternal moth]

Yeah, but you still need tech points for Agir

[barren tapir]

did u know ruppy is harder to unlock than fdg

i needed like 2 whole ass extra mlb ships for her

[whole crypt]

because this is a gameplay help channel and random people read shit out of context and run away with it
we make it a point to correct people for that
I'm not being self-righteous, you might want to check the channel rules some time

[barren tapir]

reading? in my gph channel? never

[rain hearth]

do you say that when someone posts single emojis?

[frank pulsar]

thats not the same...

[rain hearth]

[wind hazel]

alright let's move on lol

[barren tapir]

so...did you have a question?

[whole crypt]

we indeed do if it's going to cause confusion on a topic

[frank pulsar]

is bayard good

idr how she compared to like harbin or some other cl

[hollow sail]

best pvp ship

[spring bolt]

after playing a new account, im getting the feeling that the battleship choice is really irrelevant performance wise... with uni and sandy you will probably one fleet push to ch 12 with terror or erebus as easy as hood or tirp...

[hollow gust]

Tirpitz moment

[viscid swift]

Oxy torp or fumo on Naka and Enterprise

[rain hearth]

i just got answered
fdg is great so Tirpitz is a good starter

[soft raft]

What
No

Tirpitz is only good for the tech points
Hood beats her everywhere else

[frank pulsar]

uh doing tirpitz for tech is more of a mid game thing than starter thing
youd pick hood to reach stages where you can actually grind pr ships (9-1, 11-1, 12-1, 12-4) to begin with before you can consider raising ships for tech

[hollow gust]

wait wrong gun on hood , ill be back,

[wind hazel]

literally false information, ban this guy

what gun btw

[hollow gust]

95% sure tirpitz is even worse

[hollow gust]

i had the Nj gun on her, was fighting nagato

[wind hazel]

[hollow sail]

to answer the question seriously (my reply was reference to bayard causing game crashes in pvp), bayard is great for mobs, she has some very good barrages for that, and bulk is quite acceptable

[ocean fog]

Good Gracious, are you really dragging me into this?

[whole crypt]

#al-general move along

[wind hazel]

so bayard is a mob dps?

[rain hearth]

no
just saying that it's harmless if done rarely

[frank pulsar]

better than someone like scylla for example? for mob

[hollow gust]

Damn too close , my hood is bugged

[frank pulsar]

i just want a benchmark to roughly know how she performs

[eager mulch]

wdym

[hollow sail]

great aoe dmg while having tankiness on the level of eugen, make of that what you will

[soft raft]

That's prob just the Bismarck carry
Do it without her

[hollow gust]

Bayard is a awesome

[wind hazel]

unlucky

[frank pulsar]

shes 120% portland too?

[barren tapir]

campaign

[rain hearth]

wth
hood is that good?
what are their total stats for comparison plus lvl

[hollow gust]

I have both at 125

[barren tapir]

opsi

[rain hearth]

and individual powers

[whole crypt]

grey you're free to move to general as well if you want to continue to meme/troll

[hollow gust]

[rapid grail]

less damage, but a bit more tanky compared to plymouth. impressive for a pr bote
also can make your game crash in certain gamemode. devs won't fix that bug because it seems to be only specific to that gamemode

[whole crypt]

the topic is over

[stark quiver]

The power metric is flawed to the ground

[spring bolt]

that matches paper number tbh, hood is better against light and heavy and tirpitz better against medium, as barrage/gun mod works that way

[barren tapir]

why u testing hood on meta fight

[mellow cape]

Wait Bayard in op si? What's her role

[wind hazel]

mobber

[barren tapir]

hood will dumpster tirpy in mob where she shud be used anyway

[stark quiver]

Mob dps

[frank pulsar]

can prob be a tank dps if what theyre saying is true

ive been using yatsen for forever now, i might try new tanks

[barren tapir]

bayard 119.5% sufficient to main tank most content

[hollow gust]

Bayard is in a weird position, those who have her already have better stuff

[frank pulsar]

thats good enough for most opsi bossing as well tbh

[eternal moth]

Yeah, but sometimes you just want to change things up

[eager mulch]

My opsi mob fleet is: Alsace, flandre, painleve, brest, mogador, and bayard

[hollow gust]

I just use Plymouth hinden unzen

[barren tapir]

at some point you use new good ships not because theyre better than your op shit but because it's a nice change of pace

[wind hazel]

the fleet is throwing baguette at me

[viscid swift]

I use 2 mob fleets

[frank pulsar]

i use yatsen shima harbin

[eternal moth]

Ply's in my BB fleet or I'd do that Goose.

[barren tapir]

me using ruppy over nagatom:

[hollow gust]

No? It's just cause Tirpitz is trash performance wise?

[ocean fog]

mmm, im planning to unlock Anchorage . . . she is stronk too, right?

[barren tapir]

well also nagato is 125

[frank pulsar]

top 3 tanks imho

[whole crypt]

pretend Giulio is Luna and that's my normal OS mob fleet

[mellow cape]

Who is the first and last

[rain hearth]

that sucks

[hollow gust]

Gulio and Ibuki

[barren tapir]

lusty exists just for hms exp and tech point but also its kinda still good. she does negative dps but her vg shield helped me do c6 exploration just fine with minimum adapts

[mellow cape]

This is my current one for mobbing

[ocean fog]

between San Fran and Anchorage, which one more suitable for Boss Fleet?

[wind hazel]

so pink

[frank pulsar]

what the pink

[eternal moth]

Not all pink hair, 0/10

[zinc cave]

What is Naka doing in there?

[barren tapir]

no percy and sara is 125

[viscid swift]

experience, what else

[rain hearth]

wait san Francisco is good?
i have a lvl 1 lying somewhere

[frank pulsar]

above average, not worth using over any of the pr tanks
i think people use her as healer more than tank nowadays

[barren tapir]

she has a niche vg heal

[whole crypt]

SF is decent just powercrept
still has utility if you're not on a large roster

[rain hearth]

lvl 69 and only have one pr: saint louis

[eternal moth]

SF was a decent tank when she was released, but Ancho is just so much better.

[barren tapir]

decent supplementary healing in mobfleet. fine ship

[whole crypt]

she's also a vanguard damage buffer if you want

[ocean fog]

for my current dock collection, she is the best CA i have

[mellow cape]

How is that collab fleet feeling, Aurora?

[rain hearth]

nice
I'll check it out

[barren tapir]

sanfran hella cool concept tbh she had 3 modes, all pretty good on release. huge teamcomp utility as a result

before everyone these days began doing everything at once

[frank pulsar]

i think theyre just doing that to level them

[barren tapir]

its pretty good

[zinc cave]

Yeah then PR4 released the month after

[frank pulsar]

i still dont have lala smh my head

[barren tapir]

later in the month when ruppy is properly levelled and lusty is kicked for a real ship we can test stronghold auto

[whole crypt]

San Fran's reign as tank lasted between her release till when people finished Anchorage

[frank pulsar]

you have 125 sara right?
just use her over lusty

[whole crypt]

which was roughly 2-3 months

[barren tapir]

they were doing really good on c6 low adapt tho all things considered

[cinder hornet]

so far I have unlocked only PR1 ships and I have built Saint Louis already, should I focus on any other?

[whole crypt]

just build another one that you can unlock until you have enough tech to go to newer series

[frank pulsar]

just move on, most ships older than pr4 arent useful/relevant

[eternal moth]

Most of them are really good once you're able to make and equip their augment.

[eternal moth]

Augs kinda changed that

[barren tapir]

yeah ofc but rn im getting monarch exp

after that imma hop over to avp and do her with just ruppy (ive had enough of gnei and scharn for a lifetime, no offense theyre sweet girls actually but jesus the combat performance) and i can slot sara later for actual opsi content

[whole crypt]

the 3 with unique augs unironically are good to go now

[frank pulsar]

thats why i said most

[whole crypt]

2 more are getting augs this Thursday, leaving

[eternal moth]

Roon and Sanrui are getting their augs this week, so we'll see how that changes things

[barren tapir]

really good if you like them, but still not worth it over modern options

except like ibuki

[whole crypt]

the assumption is if you're working on PR1 still now you don't have access to those "modern options" yet

[eternal moth]

Considering the love the devs have for IB I have high hopes for Roon's augment

[barren tapir]

yeah but you could sit in pr1 longer or actually just go unlock said modern options

...am i being too harsh from metabrained mindset

[whole crypt]

you could just be doing PR1 dev until you actually have the tech points

there's no real conflict there

[barren tapir]

maybe im overcompensating for my neptune bias lol

[wind hazel]

what is neptune good for

[hollow gust]

They fired the ironblood simp , we have been in a peaceful time of no ironblood in PR

[barren tapir]

but yeah if you dont have the tech yet unlocking more pr1s is fine

[barren tapir]

generic mobtank. her dmg is fine but not noteworthy, her bulk is good now

[whole crypt]

to be fair simp or otherwise the PR1 augs so far have been pretty good so I don't expect Roon's to be too awful

[frank pulsar]

uh zombie tanking mob iirc?

[fierce robin]

Is sakawa good?

[frank pulsar]

average iirc

[obsidian ivy]

Which would you +13 first, Guam gun, ply gun, hinden gun

[barren tapir]

supposedly more tanky than portland but otherwise just standard gold cl i think

[frank pulsar]

ply gun if you have ply and dont already have 1 thats +13, otherwise hinden gun (not more than 2 of them +13 recommended)
cb gun is pretty low prio for +13

[whole crypt]

probably none of them without context

[zinc cave]

Nothing special, just designed to be a mob tank

[whole crypt]

360 gold plates don't just grow on trees

[fierce robin]

I can’t remember who but I was told I need to replace Portland

[whole crypt]

what level/chapter

[obsidian ivy]

I have practically all relevant backline guns done so it's just vanguard now, it's for META fights really

[barren tapir]

neptune is basically eugen with damage i guess you could say her aug barrage is both good and not good, very fast moving torps can either hit very well (all will hit) or entirely miss (none hit). her shells are reaiming and almost guaranteed to hit something, but arent ap and dont benefit from her skill

the aug stats are excellent and the crit rate is a nice increase to her output but nothing massive

[whole crypt]

in that case I'd hold on to it because Nagato's going to be gone in about a week and we don't know what we're fighting next

[junior walrus]

What is TRP and how do I increase it

[barren tapir]

i mean portland is fine up to ch12 then you begin wanting to find better tanks

[rain vine]

torpedo stat

[whole crypt]

torp stat
use ships with torps

[barren tapir]

torpedo stat, use ijn dds for easiest torp padding

[fierce robin]

But I don’t understand how a light cruiser (sakawa) can tank more than Portland because Portland is a heavy cruiser

[junior walrus]

Who?

[zinc cave]

Hull type doesn't determine tankiness alone

[whole crypt]

it's based on actual HP, EVA and skills

[zinc cave]

Both of Sakawa's skills are designed to help her tank, Portland only has natural bulk

[whole crypt]

hull class has no direct effect on durability

[barren tapir]

actually shes even better than i thought relatively speaking, didnt know she had a separate entry for mobbing. she'd be best there anyway as a less hp more eva focus ship

she is just very very slightly below lala in mobbing for durability, not counting lala debuffs and vaccuum shenanigans

[frank pulsar]

look at their stats and skills to determine their tankiness
also, heavier armour doesnt necessarily mean its better than lighter armour since weapons do varying dmg based on armour types and its not so simple like heavy armour = less dmg taken

[zinc cave]

Important because if she sinks 3 enemies she gets 20% damage reduction for 15s

[barren tapir]

oh shit thats big

[viscid swift]

yeah here's a trick to remember, heavy cruiser mainly refers to an increase in gun caliber, doesn't necessarily mean an increase in armor

[barren tapir]

but even outside her mobbing calculation she is like 106%

[junior walrus]

I posted my roster. Who should I boost levels on?

[barren tapir]

honestly idk who of those has big trp

[fierce robin]

And I always thought she was a torpedo ship

[whole crypt]

you can be a torp boat and be durable

[fierce robin]

So I should develop her skills, as there’s only really a ten level difference between my Portland and sakawa

[ocean fog]

Quick question; How tanky is Sumner Laffey?

[whole crypt]

was thinking Noshiro since she's more OG evasion tank

[barren tapir]

also from my reading its if she sunk 3 in the battle, every 20s she will get 20% DR for 15s which makes it more consistent than what i originally thought

[eternal moth]

Yeah, better example.

[ocean fog]

holy Fq

[barren tapir]

and she probably will sink some things with her strong torps

[eternal moth]

Laffey super stronk

[barren tapir]

382 trp +20% 175% eff and 15% crit rate

[junior walrus]

Just level up a second laffey?

[ocean fog]

das crazy, das actually crazy

[eternal moth]

That's Laffey 2, not Laffey

[junior walrus]

I’m talking about that hard 8 stage

[barren tapir]

if you want to see the true peak of dd insanity

felix paired with z1 is 156%

[whole crypt]

that's UR Laffey from Guam's event, not a "second Laffey"

[mellow cape]

Could always make a second fleet salsa

[whole crypt]

use other ships with torp don't raise a dupe

[junior walrus]

That’s what I’m about to do but don’t want to level trash

[whole crypt]

in that case Laffey is trash too

[barren tapir]

and now troll around and add ships like uvh crossfleet and graf zep for even more durability

[zinc cave]

Erm, Nana & Javelin ig?

[frank pulsar]

note that she tanks better against enemies that do heavy hits rather that those that spray low dmg pellets

[barren tapir]

well she's also still pretty good against low dmg pellets since she's still an eva tank

[ocean fog]

i know

damage cap of 2.5% current hp is crazy

[frank pulsar]

never said she was bad

[spring bolt]

put something with high torp stat in the second fleet, just remember to meet the hull type requirement, one for backline and one for vanguard, and that fleet will just sit there and not being used

[frank pulsar]

wasnt the cap 5%?

[barren tapir]

ik, adding more context

you are both wrong, the cap is 10% current hp, floored to a minimum of 2.5% max

[ocean fog]

oh right, im drunk because too much text

[barren tapir]

it's ok laffey is drunk too

[ocean fog]

having her my first and only oathed ship didn't help 😂

[barren tapir]

nana good torp!!

[ocean fog]

man, now i need to wait for Sumner Laffey rerun

[whole crypt]

leveling some trash literally isn't going to hurt in the long run, you might end up just leveling everything anyway eventually
unless you actually have good torp ships to level it's not really an option unless you forgo the hard mode map

[barren tapir]

shimakaze equivalent on auto with yuudachi durability

(shima wins on manual)

[whole crypt]

and it's not just campaign HM, you'll eventually get gated by event hard mode as well at some point if you don't raise some torp boats

[wind hazel]

is 120 ibuki gonna be better than 125 shimakaze on opsi mob, did anyone test this out

[barren tapir]

campaign hm is the worst tho, 2400 for 12-4

[junior walrus]

how come i can use my fleet 1 in regular modes, but when trying to build a second fleet it's not leting me making a new fleet with my back up fleets for spec ops?

or better question how do i change my OpSi formations because i cant find anything to dit

[wind hazel]

go to blue port>order>fleet deployment

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-operation-siren-fleet-gif-26809076

[junior walrus]

IGNORE

[whole crypt]

my guess is yes but may depend on who else you send with the ship, Shimakaze doesn't do very much between her torp reloads

[wind hazel]

no i wont ignore

[barren tapir]

IGNORE?!

[wind hazel]

i have unzen and hinden

[barren tapir]

i wonder actually who would be more consistent on auto in mob, shima or nana

[junior walrus]

i found it out lol sorry

[mellow cape]

Loll I think everyone doing op si for the first time goes through that

[whole crypt]

I left Unzen in a boss fleet
if the fight ends between the torp reloads Ibuki's opening barrage might unironically be better

[eternal moth]

I'd think Nana just because Shima's so fast she tends to run off to the side and dump her torps

[elfin hollow]

I wanted to get a unit from here, is there a clear priority? I wanted to get Roon because I think shes cool and techpoints

[viscid swift]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[barren tapir]

i never see nana doing big burst dmg but she somehow ends every battle with like 100k damage in a minute on similar level enemies

[whole crypt]

and for the record the average OS mob fights shouldn't last to torp reload

[eternal moth]

Independence if you don't have her yet

[soft raft]

Muse ships dont give tech points btw lol
or any fleet tech for that matter

[barren tapir]

indep is the only ship in there worth beyond collection

[elfin hollow]

well shit

[viscid swift]

well....

[whole crypt]

Illustrious Muse for 15 support

[viscid swift]

Mutsu can only be obtained from the core data shop and she's FP tech

[barren tapir]

i was including tech in collection

[elfin hollow]

thanks very much everyone

[barren tapir]

but yeah lusty muse good for ch15 support i forgot just dont be like me buying her early cos cute

[mellow cape]

Btw what's the recommended gear for PR7 and how many copies? Trying to see how long I need to prioritize gear for and if I have to do so when pr8 comes

[viscid swift]

Emile Bertin is CL EVA as well

[mellow cape]

I have la9 in my list

[whole crypt]

just do La-9 until PR8 launch and ask again when PR8 comes

[spring bolt]

mutsu and rodney, who gets retro first? or maybe nagato?
make big 7 great again

[viscid swift]

I'm aiming for at least 4 La-9s before PR8 releases

[mellow cape]

4???

[junior walrus]

Why’s it saying golden darkness is in a special ops when I literally just removed her

[soft raft]

besides the LA-9, it's really just one copy of the BB gun for Musashi and like 2-3 TBs for timing purposes

the rest of PR7 gear is

[hollow gust]

I'm slow asf only 34/50 for 2nd one

[barren tapir]

nagato's retro is her meta

i bet on rodney next

[whole crypt]

commission

[eternal moth]

Special Ops means she's on commission

[soft raft]

did you check hard mode? comisions? Operation siren? Challenge mode?

[barren tapir]

she is in a commission

[mellow cape]

Saved, ty for the answer

[whole crypt]

that's clearly commission

[junior walrus]

This is just some bullshit I threw together how bad is it

[barren tapir]

ngl tho UR nagato would be interesting to see i guess.

[soft raft]

No Unicorn so very scuffed

unless that's your attempt at a boss fleet in which case why

[barren tapir]

for what, exactly? in campaign youll want a bb flag tho

[junior walrus]

Unicorn in my fleet 1

[mellow cape]

This is your second fleet? What was your original mob fleet

[soft raft]

unless that's your attempt at a boss fleet in which case why

[barren tapir]

also nana and momo better in mob (tho momo buffs are good in boss too)

[whole crypt]

very because I have no idea what you're doing with single digit level ships

[junior walrus]

It’s just to get torpedo stat for hard mode 8😭 I’ll just use books on them for levels.

[barren tapir]

ohh well yeah nana momo decent trp

[eternal moth]

You don't use formations for hardmodes though

[barren tapir]

but they cost gold bulins so idk if theyre the best option

[junior walrus]

I mean I could just run hard mode 5 like I’ve been doing

[barren tapir]

this is why suzunami best girl

[junior walrus]

But going to be pissed if I don’t get any golds fr

[whole crypt]

if it helps, doing a higher chapter doesn't really give you a better guarantee

we just recommend doing higher chapter for hard because it gives more core data

[barren tapir]

if it hurts, anecdotally ive seen slightly better drop rates in ch12hm than early chapters

[soft raft]

we dont even know the rates anyways outside of vauge speculation off of player data (provided they give it to people who consolidate it)

[barren tapir]

but the core data is the main deal

[barren tapir]

also why 5 and 8 what happened to 6 and 7

[junior walrus]

TRP

[eternal moth]

Using Yat Sen without a second CN bote is certainly a choice

[whole crypt]

random corrosion 4 augmented pawn nodes

[spring bolt]

like i mentioned, just put something in the 2nd fleet, you don't need to use it

[junior walrus]

I don’t know who has TRP and I looked it up and cannot find a good list fr

[forest palm]

was there anything of note in the patch notes?

[whole crypt]

just sort your dock by TRP

[spring bolt]

go to your dock and sort with trp stat

[eternal moth]

Augs for Roon and Sanrui

[viscid swift]

besides the augments and call to arms

new story logger

[whole crypt]

CTA is upcoming though

[forest palm]

interesting

[ebon marten]

Question is there like a guide in what skills I should max first? Or something cause I have no clue what skills to max our first for odin

[forest palm]

CTA was expected

[eternal moth]

You can sort by torp here.

[reef flume]

CtA came out?

[viscid swift]

next patch after this one

[whole crypt]

CTA is in upcoming on JP notes, which likely will be next week

[forest palm]

like the 12th or something

[reef flume]

Oh ok

[forest palm]

which means they'll throw out a stream between that time

[whole crypt]

it means they'll throw out a stream between the 12 and 19

[reef flume]

Also after Roon, is there any other PR1 ship that has to get an augment yet?

Ah yes

[forest palm]

the biggest copium for Roon is the removal of ammo switching

[junior walrus]

Sorted by TRP who should I slam levels into

[eternal moth]

Neither Helena nor Yat Sen even have torps, so it's no wonder you're having such a hard time hitting the required amounts

[viscid swift]

Nana

[eternal moth]

Why do you have a SECOND, LOWER LEVEL Nana in your fleet 2?

[viscid swift]

and Shiratsuyu I think

[spring bolt]

just realized tirp has trp and i didn't have this issue at all

[junior walrus]

I just pulled her man idk it wasn’t intentional

[whole crypt]

LB the higher level copy with the lv4

[ember forge]

hey i was wondering if those augment are kept if i left the guild

and should i buy them

[whole crypt]

you keep anything that's bought
you may lose access to buying higher tech levels out in public or join a lower level guild

is your guild really inactive i.e. not finishing 2 guild ops/month

[junior walrus]

Does gear impact trp stat?

Ok I’ll gear her later when I can look at it

[slender turtle]

Any suggestions to improve this IJN fleet? Currently working on getting hakyu’s dev up

[whole crypt]

yes, swap out Shimakaze for anything that can use XP

[spring bolt]

ijn vanguards are not needed for haku btw

[slender turtle]

I do when im grinding xp lol

[mellow cape]

Why is one of them doing 0 DMG?

[whole crypt]

also 2LB Musashi is kind of cursed

[mellow cape]

I'm also surprised at ibuki out damaging hinden

[whole crypt]

Shimakaze is just wasting XP there the rest of the fleet is more than enough to kill

[eternal moth]

One reason I really liked Shimakaze

[whole crypt]

it happens when they don't get to hit anything

[slender turtle]

Will have full after this cruise pass, just got mushashi in last event, only been playing for like 6 or so months

[ocean fog]

that dd gun still the fastest barage proc?

[eternal moth]

She's probably the best option you're going to have for quite a while even at only 2LB

[slender turtle]

She is in there for when im doing META stuff, not when im grinding xp/gold

[barren tapir]

curious how long battle

[whole crypt]

finishes before Hindenburg's 2nd reload

[mellow cape]

Mmm can that solo clear a stronghold?

[eternal moth]

Oh, BTW, is the new gold gun any better than the blue on Shima, or do I just stick with single 76?

[whole crypt]

not while I'm leveling Giulio, no

[slender turtle]

Ye is why i have anchorage in rn, shimakaze and watarase are just my highest dmg vanguard atm

[mellow cape]

Who would be in place of giulio?

[whole crypt]

113 is better but not by enough to justify the cost if cost is a concern

[spring bolt]

replace musa with hosho for maximum oil/exp ratio and cv rld

[whole crypt]

Luna (DOA)

if you don't have Luna then Independence or Bearn META are fine to replace

[barren tapir]

ammo swap but every time +8% damage up to 12 stacks and improved mods 165/125/105 HE and 115/175/145 AP

coping

[eternal moth]

Cost is pretty far from important for me

[mellow cape]

I just love ibuki art and seeing that mob fleet looks so nice lol. Last question before I go off and invest, solo stronghold able?

[whole crypt]

well you asked for Hakuryuu dev

[whole crypt]

yes after I swap out Giulio in like 2 days

[slender turtle]

Ah i see what got confused, i have her developed, just not fated to 30

[mellow cape]

Damnn okay

[barren tapir]

tirp meta tirp meta

[whole crypt]

I actually can clear strongholds with that on max adapt penalty, but results are skewed because I summon subs basically 100% in strongholds

[mellow cape]

You think it could replace this?

[whole crypt]

I've never just let it afk clear

at that point you're just mopping the floor in OS, carrier mob comps are just for avoiding bullet time anyway

[barren tapir]

how do subs work for opsi do they stay for an entire stronghold?

[whole crypt]

you summon it in a map you can use sub fleet for up to 6 battles

[mellow cape]

Or I could always replace Unzen with ibuki LOL

[whole crypt]

if you use up all 6 you can summon again

if you leave map summon is lost, not really a problem if it's because you cleared map

[barren tapir]

does summoning again cost ap

[whole crypt]

within 30 minutes yes

[barren tapir]

ap too precious i guess you can save subs for boss only tho

[whole crypt]

which is why my strongholds usually take around 1-2hrs to clear

I don't recommend it, I'm just fussy about commander XP

[barren tapir]

c1?

[whole crypt]

c1 gives like nothing

[barren tapir]

but you can do battles in 0 seconds

[spring bolt]

eh... just finish it in 10 min and grind c1 is much more efficient

[whole crypt]

yeh but the limit isn't time it's AP

[barren tapir]

become the next lvl190 commander

ap has no true limit if you start on a high enough count to absorb unlucky streaks.

[spring bolt]

c1 farming costs no ap in the long run tho...

[whole crypt]

assuming RNG doesn't fuck with you
but pausing to visit scam cat is also downtime anyway

[barren tapir]

and i believe the slight profit lets you do c3 to refund coins to keep buying ap...or something. its not 100% infinite but technically close. youd probably sooner run out of time in a month

[whole crypt]

also loading time, actual fight time is like 5-6s

[echo barn]

Guys do you know how long do I have to wait for my ships to rest ?

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Affinity#Morale

[eternal moth]

Are they in the dorm? They get 30 per hour if not, 40 on first floor, and 50 on second

[whole crypt]

anyway this is how much c1 gives

[spring bolt]

20, 30 is oathed not in dorm

[eternal moth]

oh

[undone plover]

Actually more than I expected

[barren tapir]

what else u gonna do after strongholds end

[echo barn]

Ty

[barren tapir]

this is how that one dude got to lvl190

[whole crypt]

C5 like normal middle-of-the-way-tryhards do

[whole crypt]

you usually do that after some point around 160 or 170 because even c6 has penalty

there are legit people who lowcost ch2 or some shit for commander XP because even ch14 and 15 are penalized anyway

[undone plover]

Why not do c3 then
If c5 already has penalty

[whole crypt]

I'm not penalized on c5 now

[undone plover]

Oh I see

[barren tapir]

well c5 is what 30 ap? with 3 fleets giving 24 exp each = 72 exp per 30 ap

c1 5 ap with 2 fleets giving 4 exp each = 8 exp per 5 ap

so yeah c5 is better until it goes away i guess, then c6, then c1

c5 penalty begins around lvl130-140 (-50%) and ends at lvl160-170 (-90%)

[whole crypt]

I'm still not doing c1 because I want my gold plates more than commander XP at that point

160-170 is the bigger problem

[barren tapir]

well you just upgrade to c6 until 170-180 then back to c1

[spring bolt]

c1 farming doesn't do anything to gold plate income tho...

[whole crypt]

when you're at -90% even with c6 and abyssals

[barren tapir]

tho actually c1 will be more efficient since it is infinite ap

so the exp/ap isnt accurate

[undone plover]

It increases it if u track

[whole crypt]

I won't say it's 0 but it's definitely worse than running c3 or c5+

the only drop source at that point is dives if you get a good roll, and c1 barely even spawns dives

[barren tapir]

also for coin regeneration i think c4 is best isnt it, it has the highest coin/ap apparently and isnt much more expensive than c3

altho c5 is somewhat similar. idk

[whole crypt]

don't overthink it, this is just a phase I'm going through until everything is -90%

[junior walrus]

I’m so confused. I leveled her, MLB, and equipped gear. Why isn’t the TRP stat changing?

[barren tapir]

oh no im wondering about optimal c1 for myself

[whole crypt]

because fleet 2 isn't a valid fleet without a main fleet ship filling a required slot

[barren tapir]

no cat nodes until c3

c1 increases by being slightly ap positive (supposedly) which is then spent into c3/c5 at end of month

[spring bolt]

fill the slot requirement, at least 1 vanguard and 1 backline or stat is not counted

[junior walrus]

Okay. I’m seeing now I’ve neglected leveling other ships and it’s fucking me up lol.

[barren tapir]

maybe ur trying to do ch8 hm too soon

[whole crypt]

just go back to doing 6 or 7 while you level shit

[undone plover]

U dont need to worry about coins if u dont buy purple tokens from akashi
It is a very minor loss overall
Like 1-5% I would guess

[barren tapir]

devs were hella sadistic with hm reqs

[barren tapir]

does not math

average c1 run produces 120 coin
5 ap costs 200 coin

[whole crypt]

I honestly don't spend enough time to worry about that level of commitment, I'm happy with c5

[whole crypt]

it's just a reminder to level your roster evenly

[barren tapir]

"do not level a second fleet until ch9 or later"

[whole crypt]

it's a common issue with players following guides for early progression forgetting to work on a torp boat because very few torp boats get recommended early on

[stark quiver]

Faer, how long does it take you usually to clear all the explorable zones

[whole crypt]

it's not just the second fleet, it's also an issue of not using torp boats very much unless you started with say, Unzen or something

[undone plover]

Depends on the month tbh but I would say average 1 week or so

[whole crypt]

on a month I bother it's like 3 days
on a month I don't it's usually not filled even by third week

[reef flume]

Bro clears all opsi in one week?!

[hollow gust]

you cam clear that shit in 3 days if u care enough

[sweet delta]

Some bros do it in a day

[reef flume]

Ah

[stark quiver]

I see, I’m just clearing right now to go for zones with dailies,
When do I do all the hidden zones?

[whole crypt]

I've done it in a day and will never do it again

[undone plover]

I can only tell u based on my vouchers at the end of the month tbh
I havent tracked coins

But even my most hardcore month I still finished with ~12k vouchers as usual
Buying the same stuff from the port shops

[undone plover]

Let them stack up and strategic search them all later
U can do it week 3 or week 4
Up to you

[stark quiver]

I remember clearing all the zones within 12h of reset, wasn’t nice

[undone plover]

The explorable (dark) zones
Not the icons

[stark quiver]

I forgot, what are my sources of getting them?
Just port shop, exchange shop, and map drops ?

[undone plover]

Daily missions
First clears of explorable zones
Port shops
Exchange shop
Cat nodes

So once u clear all the explorable zones u should have a fair amount of hidden zones on the map I would say

[whole crypt]

my sub account also ironically clears the map faster because I just strat search with loggers

which to my knowledge is what most sane people do

[stark quiver]

Not buying the 5k logger was a good idea

[forest palm]

oil log is so nice

never recommend unless you're truly lazy

[stark quiver]

It’s extra 5k to grind , worth it

[forest palm]

for me the ability to just auto shit, and ignore the game is much more valuable

[junior walrus]

Do second fleets get xp just for being in the sortie or do they need to be in combat

[forest palm]

need to see combat

[mellow cape]

Wait oil log isn't recommended?

[forest palm]

in ops? ya

[stark quiver]

The tech grind continues for me

[forest palm]

it's extreme luxury

[mellow cape]

Ohhhh nah that shit is needed LOL id go insane if I had to sit and do op si for 7 hours

[forest palm]

he gets it

[undone plover]

it is not much of a loss tbh
get it or dont get it up to you
5k oil is like 3% of your monthly oil

[mellow cape]

Plus I play this game in cycles anyways. I'll blow my oil on whatever event or PR/coin/exp farming I have to do and come back two days later

[turbid dawn]

Is there a better way to get loading time of Soyuz to 22s to sync up with Nakhimov+Amagi airstrikes?

[hollow gust]

change ur tech...

[turbid dawn]

O hyeah of course haha

Not something I've had to do before so I forgot it exists

[hollow gust]

also where tf u using nahkimov to use aviation fuel

[sweet delta]

Get better CV cats

[mellow cape]

sushi with those perfect cats

[turbid dawn]

I use her in PvP, I just cba changing gear all the time

Also tbh it does help with the fact the stop is only 2s, guarantees everything hits

[hollow gust]

pvp, the one place CVs get clapped by BBs

[turbid dawn]

Tbh this is the fleet I run and I got top 30 EOS yesterday, it works so I like to use it

[junior walrus]

All things consider would it be smart to wait for the december UR event before i consider a second fleet?

[hollow gust]

no? u prob already have the ships

[elfin hollow]

most fleets are only temporary

[junior walrus]

yeah but im new so resources are limited. If there's a likely chance i'll get a game changing unit in the next couple weeks wouldn't it make sense to save for it?

[elfin hollow]

u’ll have to optimize fleets eventually for certain content

[hushed sorrel]

consider 1-2 grinding fleets for low level event maps and campaign only ships

[viscid swift]

one, said game-changing unit will only be game-changing if you can max limit break them
2, you'll need to fleets most likely to be able to efficiently farm said event

[junior walrus]

I thought UR events were just have enough cubes and get the unit

[viscid swift]

the collab was ez mode for events, regular events aren't quite as easy to efficiently farm

all events have maps to farm and most have a shop to buy stuff from

getting the UR is only one part of it

[mellow cape]

You could get lucky with dupes to MLB a ur ship from a new event. Tho that's placing a lot of bets on cubes.

You still need UR bulins

[junior walrus]

yeah fair i need 5 and i only have 1 lol

[viscid swift]

4

[junior walrus]

oh 4 isnt too bad

[olive fiber]

Not doing OpSi is really biting me in the butt

[ocean fog]

dang, I got my first sr drop

since 2019

[olive fiber]

Lack of crafting mats

[turbid dawn]

1m22s kill, is there a better anti-heavy CV then Amagi? Is Hark better?

[bold cove]

Just save cubes and ur bullin

[stark quiver]

Sushi have you gotten under 1 for cm easy

[sweet delta]

Shinano is better than soyuz, and Napoli is useless there

[stark quiver]

Best I’ve gotten is 1:08
How to git gud

[junior walrus]

I've just been pushing campaign with main fleet thats all really

[turbid dawn]

I can't run Shinano because then I have 0 stops, and I'm presuming something like Ply and stick Soyuz in middle then?

[stark quiver]

Eldridge?

[viscid swift]

eldridge plus nahkimov slows are enough

[olive fiber]

Easy way to get T2 Ordnance Testing Reports?

[cobalt rapids]

playing opsi

[olive fiber]

RIP

[sweet delta]

Oh then Shinano amagi Implac is better

[turbid dawn]

Hmmmm, does she still get the 40% extra crit dmg too then even if the stop doesn't happen?

[sweet delta]

Helena Kazagumo unzen

[viscid swift]

no

[turbid dawn]

Then is it worth it?

[sweet delta]

[turbid dawn]

Also don't have Implac, that and YorkII are the only URs I'm missing now

[stark quiver]

Then triple ijn cv and cope eld slow

[mellow cape]

Constantly sad cause I missed amagi

[stark quiver]

Is warspite too fast for eld

Unfortunate

[turbid dawn]

So stick with the same backline I have, go for Ply, Helena+Kaza?

[sweet delta]

Absolutely not

Actually even soyuz nakhimov wont work on hard

Because soyuz will get desynced by warspite while nakhi won't

So at that point just do Shinano amagi nakhi eld kaz unzen

[stark quiver]

doesnt nakh need a np for slow

[viscid swift]

she needs one for a stop, she has the slow be default

[turbid dawn]

Yeha she misses the complete stop+40% extra crit dmg without NP slow

[stark quiver]

wait what are they trying do here

[unique pumice]

Event ends 04/12, is it included or not?

[remote quarry]

It ends with the maintenence on 12/5

[unique pumice]

So I still have tomorrow, right?

[remote quarry]

yes

[viscid swift]

yes

[unique pumice]

oki thanks

[remote quarry]

Best save some oil for the upcoming UR event though. I just went to 35k this event and stopped

[unique pumice]

I'm still missing Nana, so uh... I guess tomorrow will be the moment of truth

[remote quarry]

the coin income from event was too low to grind it, when I may need 200 pulls for the UR

[unique pumice]

Nah no worries, I always get them within first 10 pulls

[stark quiver]

youll have more than enoeugh time to grind for coins

[barren tapir]

tbf there's like 2 weeks in between lol

[forest palm]

ya

[remote quarry]

400k coins in grinding is still a LOT of oil I would rather not waste on event

[unique pumice]

I'm at full coin rn, and 0 cube 😭

[viscid swift]

you could low cost farm the remainder of the event

[barren tapir]

you only need 300k and only need it (total) by the end of the event (over 4 weeks from now)

[unique pumice]

At least you can farm coin, but what about cubes

[barren tapir]

c1 cope

[remote quarry]

Nah, I need 5 copies of the UR ship (short on UR bulins)

[mellow cape]

[barren tapir]

that is a horrible idea, how many cubes do you even have

[unique pumice]

0

[remote quarry]

idk, over 3k

[barren tapir]

oh nvm that is fine for you ig

[unique pumice]

wow okay

[barren tapir]

i want to be you someday

[remote quarry]

play since 2018

[viscid swift]

I retiterate, low cost farm the events and use the oil saved to farm 12-4/13-4

[mellow cape]

Currently a 360 for the next event. I hopefully will be fine

[turbid dawn]

I wasn't watching the screen but exactly a 3m kill on normal and Nano did so little for some reason, it can't be just because I didnt have an augment on, right?

[atomic abyss]

conv torps are missing

eldridge slow is syncing with amagi only

nakhimov skill isnt procced

[turbid dawn]

She's only a little bit ahead, I guess I didnt have fuel on either

Maybe the planes were too slow as a result and did miss

[atomic abyss]

more like you shd proc nakhimov skill

[turbid dawn]

Wdym?

[turbid dawn]

Amagi and Nahk are in 0.03s and Nano is .2s slower, does that make a massive difference ig then?

[turbid dawn]

Yeah I was told not to run NP ship and run Nano isntead

[atomic abyss]

swap eld out instead

[turbid dawn]

Holy so much conflicting advice haha, okay what would you run instead of Eld?

[atomic abyss]

i mean nothing is gonna solve shinano missing unless you have a freezer

[sweet delta]

Soyiz won't work, only tash can

[atomic abyss]

tash or voroshilov

[turbid dawn]

I mean Soyuz was working perfectly fine when I first tried it

[hollow gust]

voro is love, voro is life

[turbid dawn]

I've never heard of Voro so ig I wasn't playing when that event happened, was that the belorussiyia event? If so yeah I dont have her, do have Tash though

[turbid dawn]

I mean a 80s kill is quite imho, no?

[atomic abyss]

voroshilov was from a raid event from last year

[sweet delta]

On easy?

[stark quiver]

80s on easy isnt that good

[turbid dawn]

If 60s is fast with helena, I feel like 80 without ain't that bad

[sweet delta]

The fact of the matter is that you literally can't sync soyiz to nakhi after you get blinded once

[turbid dawn]

Isnt that what a high dmg vang is for? To stop that from happening?

Hence why first I was running that DR Italian and Unzen to begin

[stark quiver]

The high damage strat is to sync cvs and unzen torp

[turbid dawn]

I was trying to sync Unzen torp to the Warspite shield as the Subs got the first 1

[soft raft]

[turbid dawn]

Then like 100s in or something the CVs started to sync to the shield

[stark quiver]

Don’t use subs first then

[turbid dawn]

Why not? They're auto like everything else and free in CM

I levelled and geared them for a reason

[stark quiver]

Use subs after first blinding

[turbid dawn]

That requires effort, also why would you get blinded? Wouldn't you get like 1 shot or something if you did, what?

[sweet delta]

I don't get it, you did easy in 80s but have you actually tried hard?

[stark quiver]

To sync unzen torps

I mean if u wanna sync them later into the fight that also works

[turbid dawn]

Yeah I've killed it while this was going on, just swapped out Nano back for Soyuz and swapped Eld with Ply

5m11s kill

[formal shard]

Finally got my first IB main ship, Tirpits. I don't have any gold bullins to limit break her right now. Should I start developing FdG now?

Also, do I still get development combat exp for FdG if my IB main ships are lv70 and get +0 exp?

[atomic abyss]

start developing fdg, might as well get the timer rolling
yes to the second question, but not recommended

[formal shard]

Got it, thanks 😊

[mellow cape]

Does golden need her collab augs? And if so which one? It's kinda hard keeping track of them

[eternal moth]

Go to her augment and it'll show you which one

[mellow cape]

Oh I meant aux

[eternal moth]

Oh, then no

[mellow cape]

Phew okay

[eternal moth]

Nothing like the Gridman or Ryza event this time.

[mellow cape]

That gridman aux was a massive pain in the ass lol, but ty

[hollow wren]

is golden darkness/yami good? she has eluded me for quite some time and im not sure if i should still try to get her or not

[hollow gust]

Huh guess It worked , now need to sync it tighter

[sweet delta]

She's not rainbow BB level

[fleet shard]

Has anyone completed all 360 of these yet

[hollow gust]

plenty

[crimson glacier]

ofc

[sweet delta]

I guess you got lucky with desyncing Unzen torps from CV airstrikes. Submarines interrupt, then Unzen interrupts, then CV interrupts, then battle ends or something

[hollow wren]

i only have fdg and musashi as my only rainbow bb's so that doesnt really mater to me

[hollow gust]

damn 3:20 clear

[barren tapir]

if you want her, get her. if only for meta reasons, not worth your cubes because URs exist and will keep on coming out like a dime a bloody dozen

she is high end for gold but in a world of rainbows gold loses its luster

[hollow wren]

ty

does the ur exchange counter move over to the next event that doesnt have a ur ship?

[crimson glacier]

no

[hollow wren]

😭

[barren tapir]

permanent UR is always there. UR banner pities do not carry over

[hollow wren]

might just spend 200 more cubes just because of that already spent 180

[undone plover]

dont.... the perma pity carries over

[crimson glacier]

for what

[barren tapir]

torva misunderstood xd

[hollow wren]

oke

[undone plover]

it is a separate banner

[crimson glacier]

how did i misunderstand when there is nothing that carries over

[barren tapir]

permanent exchange is always there and doesnt reset, it just wont build up when you pull from UR banners. it will build up from any non-UR banner

[crimson glacier]

and it doesnt carry over to anything

[barren tapir]

they were asking about perma UR just slight miscommunication

[undone plover]

UR exchange = perma pity
UR event pity is not called UR exchange

[crimson glacier]

well you certainly exchange the event pity too so

[barren tapir]

they were asking if perma UR buildup resets between events

[remote quarry]

Grinding out PR Exp for Nakhimov. Since I am using Sovietskya Rossiya, worth going ahead and running a NP vanguard too, or is the buff not really worth it?

[atomic abyss]

not worth

[undone plover]

if u are farming raise good ships
fleet building for farming and normal content is different

getting xp on a good vanguard ship is better than a random NP ship

[remote quarry]

All my good ships are already raised, mostly raising for Fleet tech at this point

Was thinking Kirov, Trashkent, Paimat

[undone plover]

but they dont need to be NP
if u want to raise them anyway sure
but dont just raise them cause they are NP

[barren tapir]

no bully