gameplay-help

[barren tapir]

it's nice of manjuu to provide an additional 0.25 bulin for free

also the 2 gold bulins are a godsend tbh praise manjuu

[tame jungle]

or a DDG retrofit item

[stark quiver]

What pool is this event in

[cobalt rapids]

should be mixed heavy

[mental marlin]

is the octuple 40mm pom pom gun mount good? i barely own any quadruple mounts

[stark quiver]

Rip no aquila

[indigo cargo]

is there anything i should prio with protocores

[tame jungle]

/protocore

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Priority.jpeg

[indigo cargo]

o

[mental marlin]

@eternal moth but i guess its still better than no aa mount lol

[cobalt rapids]

yes till w13 its usually slapping any gold aa gun

[rare wyvern]

Is it worth to run the 1200 Oil commission 2-3 times a day if I use it solely for getting the ships to 70 for tech ? Playing a lot sure is straining my oil economy

[viscid swift]

no, that what you have xp packs for

[cobalt rapids]

using the oil is better than running the comms unless it goes to waste coz u cannot claim it due to soft cap

[eager mulch]

[patent thunder]

where can i get tempest ship gears?

[rare wyvern]

Then it's gonna be my last commission for a while, let there be Unicorn level up farming

[cobalt rapids]

coreshop

[tall forge]

how do i research weapons

[cobalt rapids]

research projects drop prints, gather enough and u can craft it

[tall forge]

wait wrong question, how do i get mat legendary mats for weapon research

[vale spindle]

research academy projects give you prints, which you can craft within depot -> craft

or are you talking about gear lab?

[rare wyvern]

Project Siren shop, Arbiter, hidden red nodes

For the UR design stuff of the gear lab

[tall forge]

ah yes that, sorry im still quite new

[vale spindle]

see message above then

[tall forge]

i see

[south bear]

Where is this from?

[tulip thorn]

5 gray plates in 50 boxes
Im practically rich

[rare wyvern]

Arbiter and red nodes do need some high level fleets that is, so be careful

[tall forge]

recommended level?

[zinc turret]

from event

[soft dagger]

from little academy event

[south bear]

Dang

[rare wyvern]

I do my arbiter with my four level 120-125 fleets

[tall forge]

only my nj and kearsarge is lvl125 other than that my other first formation ships are 100 above

[rare wyvern]

You can try the Arbiter (the scary area at the middle of operation siren), basically you can attack him and leave the zone without losing progress

So you can grind him for a while

[tall forge]

oh also what gear is recommended

either ssr or above?

[vale spindle]

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[zinc turret]

what is black friday frenzy ?

[rare wyvern]

Well gear is particular because not all ssr gear are good, but I'm not too knowledgeable on gear

[vale spindle]

you buy enough skins, the game gives you some gems back

[mental marlin]

should i MLB prio mogador (need 2 UR), vanguard (need 2 UR), musashi (need 4 UR) or new jersey (need 4 UR)?

[vale spindle]

vanguard

[zinc turret]

i see

[cobalt rapids]

what are your other URs

[mental marlin]

fdg, agir and the one listeda bove

[cobalt rapids]

the wait till event banner incase u pull musashi dupes and mlb musashi

[crimson glacier]

yeah id do musashi first too

and then vanguard i guess unless something new comes before it

[mental marlin]

is vanguard that good?

[crimson glacier]

vanguard is really good with other good BBs

[viscid swift]

well main fleets tend to be more impactful than vanguards and NJ has been power crept by newer UR BBs

[mental marlin]

ok i thought i should prio mogador, but thanks ok 🙂

[steep owl]

Can i use bismark oath skin on zwei ?
Saw someone in pvp having it on bismark 2 and its not a nickname thing

[eager mulch]

yes, you get the oath skin on the one you oath

[steep owl]

So i dont have to oath them both to exchange the skin

[eager mulch]

no didn’t you read what I said

[steep owl]

Cool

[crimson glacier]

why would you oath random ship, just oath the one that you want the skin on

[steep owl]

I didnt want to waste a ring or two

I want zwei to have a cooler look

Yeknow meta ship

[soft osprey]

is this a good low oil fleet?

[viscid swift]

terrible, not even a low oil fleet

[soft osprey]

uni is lvl 104

[soft osprey]

thought dds and cvls consume less oil

and i am kinda relying on the lvl advantage to power through

[viscid swift]

These would be low oil fleets

[soft osprey]

so uni and nimi. got it

[viscid swift]

if you're pushing content then forget about trying to save oil, really not worth the hassle

[soft osprey]

im pushing theorugh the event

and my dumbass went with 75 and 80 cost fleets

[barren tapir]

just 1:1 until you cant anymore then add 1 ship at a time as needed

[viscid swift]

you're not gonna be able to use Unicorn plus Z23 then

[soft osprey]

nimi's lvl 124

[viscid swift]

I meant that the hard node maps require a BB in each fleet

[barren tapir]

i used uni + laffey for c1-c3 then west virginia uni laffey for d1-d3 low cost enough

[viscid swift]

so you can't 1-1 with Unicorn as your sole backline

[soft osprey]

well i have high lvls BBs, i'm still on regular

[viscid swift]

forget about regular, do hard node first

[boreal wagon]

u do know u dont have to do a and b to do c and d

[soft osprey]

....what

[viscid swift]

yes

[soft osprey]

OH FFS

[wary timber]

does this event's hard mode need me to have a BC... i best prepare them now

[rare wyvern]

Only one BB/BC slot

[cobalt rapids]

its a BB/BC flex slot so both work

[mental marlin]

does anyone know why it shows me that i can limit break mogador, when i only have 1 UR Bullin?

[cobalt rapids]

so doesnt need BC

[eager mulch]

amagi-chan time

[viscid swift]

it doesn't factor in if you actually have the bullins or not to do so

just if you meet the level requirements

[mental marlin]

ah ok

[eager mulch]

i lied, it’s always amagi-chan time

[soft osprey]

cuz it calculates via lvl only

[chrome fiber]

Recommend to pull musashi?

[viscid swift]

yes, at least use your tickets

[chrome fiber]

Like spend all cube?

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't go that far with a collab right after

[chrome fiber]

I see alright got it

[viscid swift]

stream is in less than 24 hours, best see that at least before making a decision

[novel solstice]

If you have ~320 cubes, you can hit pity and be guaranteed a musashi (plus the 40ish free build tickets). She is awesome, but collab ships generally don't re-run, so after you see whatever they say about the collab, you can evaluate whether you have enough cubes for both and whether you care more about getting Musashi (who is excellent) or about getting the collab ships (which are probably not amazing in combat, but may be good wifus for you).

[barren tapir]

tbf judging by recent past collabs theyre likely to be decent to good, tho yea not stellar

[storm heron]

Any use of these ships past w15?

[cobalt rapids]

throwing amagi chan and musashi together

[atomic abyss]

musashi best mobber BB for w15

[novel solstice]

Musashi, once limit broken, is amazing. She's not great until you have those UR bulins to limit break her though, so if you're new it might take a month or two to get those.

[storm heron]

for opsi BB, I have vanguard alsace soyuz, can musashi replace someone?

[atomic abyss]

no

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't really

[tame jungle]

[storm heron]

[soft raft]

Musashi's weapon options arent as flexible as the others

[low juniper]

And what does she use?

[eager mulch]

IJN main guns

[low juniper]

Gear lab ones?

[eager mulch]

IJN ones

[low juniper]

I mean

[tame jungle]

IJN as in the nation IJN
sakura empire
japanese

[low juniper]

Any of the IJN main guns in the gear lab?

[eager mulch]

purple twin 410 kai, prototype triple 410, i forgor daisen gun name 💀

[low juniper]

Which is daisen gun

[dense cairn]

Is musashi worth pulling for as a new player and who would i replace? My fleet is (from top left to right then bottom left to right): Unicorn, Nelson, Saratoga. Portland, Laffy, Helena

[viscid swift]

yes, no one if you can't at least get her to limit break 1

[dense cairn]

Im about to be able to get a UR bulin from specialized core so ill be able to limit break her once

[stark quiver]

should probably make a psa that there are spec cores in black friday shop as well

[viscid swift]

pretty sure people will figure it out eventually plus that shop will be around for like a month

[storm heron]

/corepsa nvm we only have /oilpsa

[eager mulch]

-corewarning

[low juniper]

Which gun is the Daisen gun

[cobalt rapids]

twin 410 prototype

[low juniper]

This?

[stark quiver]

no from pr7

[cobalt rapids]

that is triple

it has 3 barrels

[eager mulch]

/wiki prototype twin 410

[odd root]

No wiki pages found.

[low juniper]

?

You mean it's not gear lab?

[tame jungle]

not yet

[stark quiver]

the daisen gun is from research season 7

[low juniper]

Is it UR or SR

[eager mulch]

only 232 smh slacking

[low juniper]

Damn I pnly have 3 bps of it

[shell willow]

already crafted 3

[low juniper]

So what's the next best gun

[cobalt rapids]

this

[low juniper]

Okay

[eager mulch]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home?ship=musashi

[keen sable]

Yes but its a rerun and upcoming collab is what it is.

[rare wyvern]

What is the meaning of "Perform Reconnaissance x times in anomalous zones" in OPS requirements for stars in nodes ? Does it mean giving a recon order in a hidden node in that particular area ? I don't get it, sometimes I have done it a few times in certain areas, I dunno how.

[soft dagger]

taking the node that gives adapt

[rare wyvern]

Like in scan mode, the "hidden" one ?

[soft dagger]

yes

[little tree]

Is the event gun a bis for heavy bosses on musashi?

[rare wyvern]

Time to spend all this AP on repeating the damn area then

[soft dagger]

triple 460 or izumo gun or daisen gun. depends on the timing

[cobalt rapids]

460 can be good but thats rarely so its a niche gun
most of the time for med and heavy st bossing u would use daisen gun or izumo gun
and in all other situations ud use 410 purple

[little tree]

The ur gun

[soft dagger]

yes

[little tree]

Thank you!

[eager mulch]

i don’t like the triple 460

[rare wyvern]

Is it a stupid idea to put the 460 on an off-flag UvH for a... more normal rate of fire ?

Like it makes it 15s reload instead of 30

[tame jungle]

not at all

[crimson glacier]

isnt it still worse than 457 but i guess its usable atleast

[forest palm]

460 would work for Ulrich given the nature of her kit...the efficacy of it compared to a 457, or 406/50 is questionable

[rare wyvern]

Fair enough

[eternal moth]

460 hits harder than 457, but is a DPS loss because you get less barrages

[rare wyvern]

What makes the 457 better here ? On base values, the 460 is apparently slightly more efficient ? Like a tiny bit more total damage/reload time, and more shels means more chances to hit no ?

[forest palm]

more salvo

[storm heron]

457 is every 8s, 460 is every 13s

[viscid swift]

it's also less shells overall because you're getting off less salvos

[rare wyvern]

Did I miss something with this basic maths ? Lmao

[crimson glacier]

you missed the game

[rare wyvern]

Smh

[viscid swift]

that's not how you calculate reload time

[crimson glacier]

you dont do continuous beam dmg

[crimson glacier]

shooting slower is purely a downside, and overkill is useful to nobody

and barrage doesnt get dmg reduction, only main gun does

[storm heron]

you see they are pretty close? exactly, now put the barrage into contribution, and the fact that the time window where 457 is gonna be ahead in damage is more likely

[tranquil saffron]

Who should I have in my opsi BB fleet?

[viscid swift]

Musashi, Alsace, Vanguard

[cobalt rapids]

musashi vanny alsace

[atomic abyss]

alsace vanny musashi when she's mlb
NJ if musashi isnt mlb

[sinful quiver]

Hi people

[storm heron]

sup mogs

[rare wyvern]

I get that, my point was just that comparing the two guns for the same slot with no apparent variation in the calculus since all the skill/calculation factors are the same, then just comparing pure stats would end up the same anyway.

[tranquil saffron]

Going to MLB her in about 15 minutes when I have the coins

[crimson glacier]

but the skills arent the same

[eternal moth]

You're completely ignoring on-hit barrages

[crimson glacier]

1 gun shoots almost twice as fast

its not a timed thing

[rare wyvern]

Ah I didn't register this the first time it was said

[viscid swift]

not to mention that BBs don't work like vanguards, one salvo is a significant chunk of damage and where salvo count matters

[rare wyvern]

Thanks

[sweet delta]

On chrageweaponfire

[viscid swift]

there's actually quite a simple way of demonstration, give me a minute

[rare wyvern]

I was thinking it the way of more shells also meant more hits, considering the slightly better DPS from the gun alone, but yeah, fairly, on hit just makes a big difference

[crimson glacier]

more like On ch😡weapon🔥

the thing is that the lower dmg gun often is enough to kill anyway

reloading for longer time just isnt useful

[rare wyvern]

Unless it's for bosses right ? But alas, Ulrich is a mob fleet ship

[eternal moth]

460 is better in certain circumstances, but it typically involves specific timing requirements.

[viscid swift]

Ulrich does fine on bosses

[storm heron]

yeah we are assuming bosses and ulrich

[crimson glacier]

even in bosses 457 shines

[storm heron]

now if we talk about alsace

[atomic abyss]

lets consider meta showdowns

battles last 80s

[crimson glacier]

alsace also shines on bosses

[storm heron]

no I mean alsace would prefer 460

[atomic abyss]

a 457 fires 4x
a 460 can only fire 3x

[crimson glacier]

why would alsace want 460

[eternal moth]

She uses it on the current meta

[crimson glacier]

are we talking like opsi only

[storm heron]

ignoring sync, 460 is the best on alsace no?

[crimson glacier]

thats irrelevant message

[atomic abyss]

again, why would it be?

you can literally squeeze out an additional salvo with a 457

[storm heron]

ah frick prolonged better barrage

[crimson glacier]

i highly doubt ender was thinking about alsace when he typed that when the topic is 99% ulrich

[storm heron]

yeah nvm there are a lot of assumptions involved

[viscid swift]

there's a simple way to demonstrate this

[atomic abyss]

the ONLY actual case use i can see for the 460 in the meta
is for syncing soyuz with nakh more easily

[crimson glacier]

does it involved 30 sec slowmode? im in

real hands on experience

[atomic abyss]

cos trying to sync a champy gun with nakhi is a nightmare

[crimson glacier]

cat that slow?

[atomic abyss]

cat that slow if she's bis with la-9

[viscid swift]

well, it was also used on Zwei against Algerie META

[crimson glacier]

but is bis worth it

[atomic abyss]

from my testing with soyuz gun

even with just 1 la-9 you have to drop all semblance of bb rld tech

[sweet delta]

What is this simple way

[crimson glacier]

you need to subscribe to his coaching plan to find out

[atomic abyss]

this is like, 29 CV rld

[crimson glacier]

is she unable to 4 launch

[atomic abyss]

also wtf why does nakhi have like 9.5k HP

[crimson glacier]

this is why

[viscid swift]

take a guess which was the 460 and which was the 457

[rare wyvern]

Also, speaking of tech, buffs are like Faction fleet tech PLUS the individual bonuses displayed on the ships ? Or the second is comprised in the first ?

[viscid swift]

both same enhance level, +10

[crimson glacier]

faction tech is the same as individual tech

[sweet delta]

Make them both +13 and then we're cooking

[viscid swift]

I don't have enough plates for that

[atomic abyss]

with 2 la-9s? yeah dont think she can 4 strike

[sweet delta]

Though iirc on UvH specifically +13 457 still beats +13 460 and certainly so if you consider slow

[crimson glacier]

nah just go bfg

id imagine 4 strike would beat la anyway if it works out

[atomic abyss]

should be possible

[viscid swift]

and remember the 457 has a lot more uses other than on UvH on bosses than the 460

[rare wyvern]

Then are the tech buffs of minor factions (not USS, HMS, IJN, KMS) hidden or something ?

[crimson glacier]

yeah doesnt get more niche than 460

no, those dont exist, faction tech doesnt exist

[eternal moth]

There aren't any

[atomic abyss]

how fast do we need for landing 4 airstrike in 80s?
19s or less?

[rare wyvern]

Ah okay

[crimson glacier]

faction tech stats work for all factions, its just unlock requirement

[atomic abyss]

max cv rld tech is like, 41 currently?

[rare wyvern]

Ah fair enough, I was confused looking at stats on faction tech screen and just Nakhimov giving stats the same way

[crimson glacier]

you need max stars to receive tech tho

[atomic abyss]

good fucking luck

need to oath to hit 4

even then its barely

[rare wyvern]

It says on recieve and 120 here

[crimson glacier]

thats for giving others

[atomic abyss]

there's 2 things here

[rare wyvern]

Yes I seek to understand

[viscid swift]

that's the tech she gives not what she recieves

[atomic abyss]

to actually get the tech bonus applied to ANY ship
the ship that wants to receive it has to be mlb

[crimson glacier]

120 unlocks the fleet tech for the pool, to benefit from the pool you have to be max limit break

[rare wyvern]

Ogey, thank

[crimson glacier]

also note that avi is pretty whatever tech for carriers

it atleast does something but reload and even hit should be a lot more useful

[atomic abyss]

this is with my current rld tech of 29

[rare wyvern]

Well it's not like I'm gonna decline it or something lol

[viscid swift]

you will max all main fleets eventually anyway

[sweet delta]

Q: why not skyrocket nakhi for 4 strikes?
A: if you're going to grief the damage, then might as well grief implacable instead

[crimson glacier]

i guess im thinking too far ahead

[eternal moth]

Yep, I'm almost done with CVs. Just need Houshou Meta, Zuihou and Lexi

[rare wyvern]

I maxxed IJN not too long ago, others are 8, 7 and 6

[atomic abyss]

i only have 1 la-9 anyways

[crimson glacier]

yeah but that faction tech is like baby steps

the real grind is the ships themselves

[sweet delta]

Maxing faction tech is like 1/5 of the way to max tech

[rare wyvern]

Oh but I do grind

I'm just also bummed of my non playing times and countless URs missed

[crimson glacier]

as long as you can get max amount of UR bulins per month you are good

[rare wyvern]

Nothing between Ulrich and Mogador, unfortunately

[cobalt rapids]

focus on ur own garden

[crimson glacier]

the more URs we get the more URs are skippable

[ruby fog]

Hi, I hope this is the right place to ask. I wonder if Gascogne µ's first ability has a hidden condition? I only get one shot per reload. I saw some videos on youtube where she gets indeed two charges per reload. I haven't found anything regarding bugs for her. Does someone know about it?

[rare wyvern]

I prefer my DRs anyway >:)

[crimson glacier]

DRs are good but most of them cant compete with URs

[sweet delta]

Did you limit break her?

[ruby fog]

No

[tame jungle]

there's your answer

[viscid swift]

Read her dev level gains

[crimson glacier]

gasco u has no dev levels

[viscid swift]

Limit breaks I mean

[tame jungle]

gascogne muse does not get her 2nd main gun mount until you have her first limit break
and you don't want to use ships that aren't mlb anyway

[viscid swift]

On the wiki not in game

[ruby fog]

I'll try out, thanks. I did not want to limit break her because her 'bug' annoyed me

[sweet delta]

I also did not want to limit break her ||because no chips and no tech||

[frozen inlet]

Is any of the black friday packs worth it?

[sweet delta]

Worth is subjective

[ruby fog]

Ah, it's indeed mentioned in the in-game limit break description. They could have mentioned that on the skill description as well >.< - Thanks guys

[tame jungle]

it's already mentioned on the (annoying to use) limit break description

[eternal moth]

Inaccurate descriptions? In MY Azur Lane? Never happens

[crimson glacier]

to be fair, non mlb units arent useful

[lone knoll]

Hello! any recomendation regarding musashi main guns?

[eternal moth]

Twin or triple 410

[sweet delta]

Plus 460mm in certain situations

[lone knoll]

normal or kai? whats even the diference

[eternal moth]

Kai is slightly higher damage

[lone knoll]

btw regarding the secondary gun, triple 155mm or purple triple 152?

[hexed fox]

Whats the best thing to spend the event stones on? I’m new so idk this is my first event

[coarse heron]

0.05s base reload time and 2 higher base damage per shell.

[sweet delta]

45 fp > 25 fp

[eternal moth]

If you have the resources, kai is slightly better. You want a 45FP secondary if you don't have enough quad 155

[sweet delta]

Rainbow 460mm

[lone knoll]

so almost like a stat stick

[eternal moth]

That's almost solely what it's used for, yeah

[hexed fox]

Thanks 😄

[lone knoll]

so this is fine for now, what can i eventually change?

[sweet delta]

@viscid swift does 3 oil work for B2 or B3

[barren tapir]

check the pins, but

Shop Priority
Wakatsuki (1 copy if you didn't get her from build/drop)
Triple 460mm Main Gun

Build Tickets
Cognitive Arrays / Chips
DR5 prints
Oil/Coins/SR Cat boxes/purple plates/etc. (depends on your need)
Rest of the shop.
Note: If you're a new player, consider buying T4 tech boxes before everything else, it helps speed up your game progress by acquiring new equipment early.

[eternal moth]

There are certain campaign stages that will require different guns, but overall, yeah

[eternal moth]

You'll want a triple 410 for boss fights that are medium or heavy armor

[barren tapir]

staag AA too

[hexed fox]

Thanks! I will check the pins too 🙏

[eternal moth]

And the AA gun should be changed to STAAG once you get them

[sweet delta]

*pr7 gun

[lone knoll]

I only have one (on fdg) will have more soon

[barren tapir]

ye dw hazemayer is the next best iirc

[lone knoll]

dont have a single one

[viscid swift]

I couldn't get 4 oil to work for B2

[sweet delta]

134

[barren tapir]

oh? oh okay

[sweet delta]

But mori forest said he is using 4 oil for B3

[viscid swift]

I have no idea how they did it, clearly better than me

[sweet delta]

I'm still on A1 0% 👶

[barren tapir]

maybe b2 is harder than b3?

[frozen inlet]

If i got musashi should i keep on rolling or stop?

[cobalt rapids]

keep rolling with free tickets

[crisp tree]

Just got sashi, Would she pair well with Shinano? Considering making her my second UR mlb

[undone plover]

this worked for me on B2 lethal
I didnt 3 star 1 run tho

[cobalt rapids]

yes even when unpaired

[soft raft]

she wouldnt really specifically synergize with Shinano besides counting towards Shinano's 2 IJN ship requirement for her self buff, but she's worth MLB'ing anyways

outside of that, it's basically UR + UR go brrrrr

[crisp tree]

Aight, Good enough, NJ and Shima are staying benched and I'll slowly start getting enough bulins for Sashi mlb

[viscid swift]

I should say my ranger was level 22 and had no gear other than AA radars

[undone plover]

well that would be 3 oil then

[viscid swift]

no it was with a 0 LB Cassin and 0 LB Downes

[undone plover]

oh

[sweet delta]

cheeky bad player

[dense cairn]

So far got sakawa and haguro

[viscid swift]

ok, blogging goes to #al-general

[storm heron]

don't forget to follow up stuff with "are they good" or get banished to general

[sudden sparrow]

Y'all, who do I give my cog arrays to?

[sweet delta]

Depends on your other ships

[undone plover]

save till u need to use it later imo

[storm heron]

surely 125 unicorn is always good

[cobalt rapids]

not if u dont push beyond w12

[barren tapir]

uni is safe to 125 for sure i see no reason not to, tbh

[storm heron]

also I remember texan asked a similar question a day ago

[sudden sparrow]

I did, but didn't get to read any replies and such.

[barren tapir]

even ignoring w13+ there is opsi and a bit more dmg on the uni preload is nice imo

[sudden sparrow]

Alright then, I'mma save them for uni.

[cobalt rapids]

ignoring w13+ id rather 125 bossing backliner for arbiter rather than uni

[sweet delta]

Unicorn should definitely not be your first arrayed

[barren tapir]

fair ig

[storm heron]

enterprise is also fine pick

[proper jolt]

If i have Perseus,should i lvl up Unicorn anyway?

[sweet delta]

NJ is also a fine pick but I wouldn't recommend 125 NJ if they have six other 125 BBs

[barren tapir]

my thinking with uni is, with the lvl100 daily you get enough to 125 1 UR a month and i dont get URs that fast so it felt very safe to do so, since uni is like used a lot

[undone plover]

uni is the safest since she is also the cheapest and least replaceable compared to the other 3 that are worth 125 (enty, NJ, AvP)
but if he stays in ch12 to farm then it is kinda pointless
ultimately if u dont need a level 125 ship yet just hold off till u feel the need for a level 125 ship

[barren tapir]

this ignores some extra arrays from core and events which can go to non-UR ships that are very strong

[sudden sparrow]

Only have like 4 of them: Richelieu, both Biscuits, FDG.

[barren tapir]

yes that is a fair point

[viscid swift]

My philosophy with arrays always will be don't uncap until you need to

[sudden sparrow]

Yeah, probably gonna use them on NJ first then Uni.

[barren tapir]

my philosophy goes more by usage rate while keeping sufficient resources for all potential URs at a realistic rate of acquisition, which is a bit different so fair enuf

[stark quiver]

btw in this fleet, is there rly a syncing for alsace and the cvs, or just as fast as possible for bb and sync cvs with mog

[sweet delta]

That's exactly why I uncapped Peter and zep to 125

[sudden sparrow]

Gotta be prepared for W13.

[storm heron]

[viscid swift]

You don't need 125 for w13

[barren tapir]

cos yeah on one hand it's great to save them and ensure youll always have enough when you need them for the really strong ships, on the other hand excessive hoarding doesnt really benefit you either i like balance

[viscid swift]

It's not really excessive hoarding if they're not gonna provide any value

[stark quiver]

i uncap ships that are meta

[tame jungle]

you don't need 125 when that step doesn't provide anything, such as when you're just farming 12-4

[undone plover]

arrays run out fast when u start getting good ships

[storm heron]

unicorn is used daily so I like 125 unicorn

[tame jungle]

it's not like you're missing out on xp anyway

[barren tapir]

you can uncap 12 URs a year off dailies alone

[cobalt rapids]

when ure a new player ur list doesnt only consist of URs

[viscid swift]

Well there are more shops than URs you'd want to potentially uncap

[barren tapir]

such as?

[cobalt rapids]

i do agree the income is generous and past early days you can afford to 125 all meta ship with some sidedishes to spare

[viscid swift]

To name a few few Unicorn, Aquila, Volga, Shimanto, Enterprise, Harbin, etc

[barren tapir]

unicorn

[crimson glacier]

helena sirius aurora

[undone plover]

also there are DRs

[viscid swift]

Kazagumo

[storm heron]

not sure about volga after having uni aqui

[barren tapir]

but yeah you do get 45/month extra from dailies + 50/month core + 50/event so you have spares for non-URs which is my point lol

[tame jungle]

notice how unicorn is not the only one on the list

[viscid swift]

Not everyone has Aquila

[barren tapir]

but unicorn is on the list

[inland shoal]

DRs are just URs that feel special

[barren tapir]

i agree with everyone listed btw, my point is that uncapping uni isnt particularly a bad thing to do even if you didnt need it right then

[viscid swift]

What

[storm heron]

not everyone have all of these ships, your point?

[cobalt rapids]

yes but its a long term view
early to mid on ull have like 3 fleets and enough arrays to uncap like 3 ships

[viscid swift]

My point is there's more than just URs to consider

[cobalt rapids]

lv100 daily raid only kicks in well when ure lv100

[barren tapir]

there is no ship i use more than uni so having the extra stuff is nice even when it's not particularly relevant

[crimson glacier]

anchor too

[viscid swift]

And genuinely, for most content the difference between 120 vs 125 will not matter

[cobalt rapids]

till then ure on poverty life support of events and maybe coredata

[barren tapir]

early to mid you're unlikely to have more than a couple URs to uncap anyway

[viscid swift]

So it's better to save your arrays for use on ships you will use in content where it does matter

[cobalt rapids]

why are u mentioning only URs

[barren tapir]

now granted i can see if you're a very casual/inactive player who only does dailies and grabs URs as they go, would take quite a long time to reach level 100 - then yeah sure

[cobalt rapids]

and ure very likely to have fdg aegir + 1 or 2 gacha URs by midgame

[barren tapir]

because URs are the priority to uncap are they not

[viscid swift]

Not strictly speaking

[barren tapir]

the upper end ones at least

[sweet delta]

Look at the example, there's a 120 NJ, a 120 enterprise, and a 120 unicorn. Why TF would unicorn be first?

[cobalt rapids]

unicorn is not UR then it shouldnt be uncapped

[viscid swift]

That would be the priority

[barren tapir]

i didnt say uni first i said uni is fine to 125 if you want

[viscid swift]

Which does include a lot of URs yes

[barren tapir]

i debated putting enterprise and nj emojis too but i wasnt so confident about them

[storm heron]

yeah sorry kinda biased fron me since I am just picking who's not in the bench

[viscid swift]

And anyway, there's another point to consider

[eager mulch]

❓

[barren tapir]

admittedly - probably shouldve checked how many arrays they have. if they have 2k, uni would be fine, if they have 225, definitely not

[viscid swift]

Array income over the course of a year doesn't look that bad but the thing about 125ing is it's often done in burst because you hit a wall

The demand is more instantaneous rather than a constant

I'll also add to this day I still don't have more than 100 ships uncapped past 120

[storm heron]

Honestly if there is a content where 125 non-meta ships are gonna make a difference, then you should probably consider other stuff you can improve, do manual, +13 gears, better sync. I personally just 125 unicorn because I always use her in OpSi so the .4s time save and the value will always be there

[cobalt rapids]

no1 said unicorn doesnt deserve 125, it was just about the order and prios

[viscid swift]

That ship wouldn't be non meta if they make a difference in content where 120 vs 125 is noticable

[cobalt rapids]

shes used in w15 as a staple slot in mob fleet ofc she deserves 125

[eager mulch]

URs not named warspite and amagi-chan are higher prio for 125 than uni

[viscid swift]

Yes, no one is saying Unicorn doesn't warrant 125, pretty sure every one here has one at 125 and for good reason

[eager mulch]

someone here maybe has 2

[barren tapir]

yeah order/prios i agree, although at a certain level of array stockpile i would do uni rather than wait on obtaining more URs, re: prio

[viscid swift]

But the content where her being 125 vs 120 makes an actual difference is relatively speaking small

[storm heron]

well this is even assuming there is a prio at the first place since arrays is just too plenty since the correct usage is easy

[viscid swift]

Just w14, w15, w13h and maybe one fleet strongholds if we're being generous

[barren tapir]

there was a good point raised that arrays only become relatively safer after level 100, which i didnt initially consider for a less active player that could be quite some time, and quite some URs

[weary scroll]

how many skins are on rerun rn?

[cobalt rapids]

almost everything that released before june 1st

[weary scroll]

wtf

[shell willow]

https://azurlane.yo-star.com/news/2024/11/13/maintenance-notice-11-14-12-a-m-utc-7/ you can check all here

[boreal wagon]

they do that every year its their way of doing black friday

[weary scroll]

oh rlly? so the skins rerun at least once a year then?

[boreal wagon]

yesn't

there are some skins that are excluded from black friday, mainly collab ones

[weary scroll]

so other than collabs most of the skins are here?

[boreal wagon]

p much

[sweet delta]

Do perma skins count as being on rerun?

[boreal wagon]

they do not

only the things in the rerun tab in shop

[elfin hollow]

just started earlier, is it bad to skip musashi? heard she is really good but i dont have any cubes at the start right now

[vale spindle]

Use build tickets!! U get them by playing the event

if u get lucky u can get her with 0 cubes only build tickets

[elfin hollow]

ok thanks, so i guess shes pretty much a must have if i have to burn cubes after spending all the build tickets?

[weary scroll]

how many build tickets do we get in total?

[storm heron]

44, the information is on the pins

[storm heron]

yes she is a must have for you

[sweet delta]

Do the pins tell you that collab events are unlikely to rerun?

[storm heron]

do the pins tell you what ship to mlb

[eager mulch]

do the pins tell me if amagi-chan is good

[storm heron]

[keen pewter]

i just got mushy on my 2nd pull 💀

[vale spindle]

No but i can tell you personally!!
she's not good

[viscid swift]

Blogging goes to #al-general

[vale spindle]

I ran out of characters to add this

i have now created characters and added it

[boreal wagon]

time to buy sam nitro as a collective gph investment

[eager mulch]

Sam says Amagi-chan isn’t good, I can’t trust him

[queen jackal]

who should i pick from UR exchange? i have shina mlb and my other ur is amagi cv, ill be getting musashi too

[cobalt rapids]

uvh to put on the backburner

[eager mulch]

uvh for rld tech

[slow fox]

If I get one , I will give Sam nitro.

[forest palm]

kind of the only thing Ulrich is worth

[cloud panther]

Do I really need 2 slow rainbow guns?

[forest palm]

might come in handy for some mixed hull comp

[cobalt rapids]

better to not need what u have than to need what you dont have

[cloud panther]

Prob won't 13 it but guess I'll buy it

[analog bluff]

Those 2 girls are good?

[cloud panther]

Not anymore

[cobalt rapids]

tech tier

[analog bluff]

what is that

[cloud panther]

Lv em to 120

[cobalt rapids]

ships you would raise for their tech only

[analog bluff]

mmm okok

[forest palm]

this

[cobalt rapids]

i mean depends on ur dock but balti works in eagle cv fleet but theres better buffers around than her and kii is an easily replaceable bb

[quartz jungle]

Is 1:1 the boss fleet on SP possible? My Laffey II was going to sink despite crossfleet Alsace+Musashi + damage control gear on Laffey II and +13 Wyvern on Unicorn

[eternal moth]

Use the second fleet to 1:1

[forest palm]

did it with BZ + Agir

[analog bluff]

tysm

[vale spindle]

[stark quiver]

just boss?

[quartz jungle]

Like 1:1 the whole map with 1 fleet is what I am asking

[eternal moth]

Why would you do that?

[quartz jungle]

Oh ok

[forest palm]

it's just simpler to use 2 fleets, than 1 fleet the whole thing

[eager mulch]

saving oil probs

[stark quiver]

i press reccomend

[quartz jungle]

It worked on the last few SP stages so...

[vale spindle]

I like using Emden specifically cause she resists out of ammo

And is also not dead weight

[viscid swift]

Never bothered with saving such a small amount of oil for a daily run

[stark quiver]

1:1 helena ranger sp possible?

[dusk niche]

How do i turn off the option of password verification for retiring ships? I turned Password Restriction off for unlocking ships and scrapping gear already but it still comes up

[storm heron]

imagine the oil saved for 6 years

[vale spindle]

Its in game settings

Try restarting game if that doesn't work

Might take time to register in azur lane servers too

[dusk niche]

dang alright

its just really annoying lol

[tropic tusk]

is hunter meta useable in anywhere

[stark quiver]

not rly
in the sense if not being better than other options

[quartz jungle]

Ok could try her

[eager mulch]

Nothing stopping you from using her except hard mode

[quartz jungle]

I'll need to 125 her first though

[vale spindle]

I use her in dd gun mode because the barrage spam is faster (even though the damage is unchanged overall) and you sometimes get a small heal

[eager mulch]

a whole new low of low oil cost fleeting

[vale spindle]

Usable sure her barrage has a nice pattern that's good

That's basically all she does

[tropic tusk]

wait a min i cant even get hunter meta now

[forest palm]

yup she's stuck in the limited basement

[tropic tusk]

QE and wht is good?

[forest palm]

Bearn, Erebus, Rodney, Fusou, Hiyou, Junyou, Houshou, Nagato, and Princeton

[stark quiver]

the ones with good tech are good

[tropic tusk]

wht do u mean by good tech

[stark quiver]

120 tech

[tropic tusk]

oh level 120?

how about here wht is good together? or a full meta team is not good enough?

[stark quiver]

nothing too special here, again, just tech

[forest palm]

Kasumi, Kirov, Pamiat, Wichita, Vampire, and Foch

[cobalt rapids]

a full meta fleet suffers from the same handicap as any other full faction fleet

[forest palm]

I'm just listing all the ships with good 120 tech btw, none of the ships are worth a damn

[tropic tusk]

or any of these missing could probly help abit?

[forest palm]

Hiryuu, Souyuu, and Ark are good tech

[viscid swift]

Hiryuu, Soryuu, and Ark Royal give good tech

[stark quiver]

search up their tech
fyi, none of the meta ships are good enough for you care, Urs exist

[viscid swift]

literally no META ship you show us will get a different response

[storm heron]

soryuu 2 rld, hir ark 2 hit

[tropic tusk]

so basically everything i have unlock is bad

[viscid swift]

they won't be improving your fleets no

[forest palm]

collection %, silver lining la

[tropic tusk]

rip

but helenla meta is ok ish right?

[viscid swift]

they're not all bad per say but just nothing remarkable or outstanding among them

[forest palm]

Helena Meta sometimes comes into play, but I think people are gravitating towards Wichita

[viscid swift]

to be worth going out of our way to say, this ship is good, level her

[storm heron]

kirov meta good

[stark quiver]

Helmet and Wichita might be good for some situations

[stark quiver]

Yea if you’re tryna go for a one strike or some

[tropic tusk]

how about meta 556 could she replace 1 of the 3u? (if she ever comes back out)

[storm heron]

I'm trying the 22s strength

I don't have kear though

[sweet delta]

Are you that optimistic?

[stark quiver]

I wouldn’t bother unless you have high tech/cata and the exact right setups for it

[tropic tusk]

sad

[storm heron]

maybe, I just need to believe

[sweet delta]

I don't believe in you

[eternal moth]

Believe in the me that believes in you!

[eager mulch]

amagi-chan believes in you

[forest palm]

[stark quiver]

wait do you even have hvars

[eager mulch]

can someone calculate the odds of getting one specific elite ship from the event pool please

non rate up elite*

[eternal moth]

1/however many elites * droprate of elites

[viscid swift]

less than 0.5% that much I can gurantee

[forest palm]

probably less than 0.3%

[eager mulch]

so low

[viscid swift]

0.339% if my math is right

[forest palm]

when a pool is bloated, it's going to be low

[eager mulch]

rip

[gaunt bison]

how good is the triple 460 main gun? from what ive seen online its pretty bad since it has a high reload time

[viscid swift]

it's niche

[whole crypt]

it's not used generally because of that reload time but there are niche cases where you might take it

[stark quiver]

Do crossfleet barrages have set damage

[gaunt bison]

So i shouldnt go out of my way to prio it in the event shop

[viscid swift]

you should

always get event limited stuff first, never know when it might come in handy

[whole crypt]

scales with damage stat just like any other barrage

[viscid swift]

and if you do need it well, rectifying the problem won't be easy

[whole crypt]

why would it be out of the way though, just prioritize it over other items, you very much should be grinding over 10k anyway

[gaunt bison]

yeah I was gonna get it regardless, but it was more of a, should I get it first because its important or just get it after some other things I need more

[whole crypt]

if you're going to have enough points later regardless then it doesn't need to be the first thing you buy

[sweet delta]

get other things you need more and then run out of time to farm another 10k due to unforeseen circumstances

[gaunt bison]

that's the real master plan

[stiff oracle]

UR bullin can only get one per month from the shop right?

[stark quiver]

Which rld tech cvs only count towards cvl

[gaunt bison]

dont think there is a limit to how many you can buy, just to how many cores you can earn a month

[viscid swift]

Elbe, Weser, and Jade

[whole crypt]

there's no limit to how many you can buy, and the currency you can earn up to 6k each month
including cruise it's an average of 2 bulins per month, not including UR event milestones

[dreamy blade]

you get about 4 per 2 months. you buy the core from medal shop, and there is core in the black friday shop rn too, and then cruise pass gives 1 at lv100

[soft raft]

Specifically you can earn up to 6k Spec core per month
5k of it is from regular grinding
1K of it is from medal shop

[dreamy blade]

yeah and rn theres another 1k from the black friday shop

is it worth the oil to run the normal mode event maps for the daily first clear bonus? without a 1:1 fleet

[fierce sleet]

Hi could I get help fleet building

[atomic abyss]

With a full fleet no absolutely not worth the oil
Can you not make a 1:1?

[dreamy blade]

i can just wondering since i've been running a full fleet of shitty ships for the exp

[atomic abyss]

Sure, open a thread and post your ships inside

[fierce sleet]

Okay

Fleet building assistance

[tropic tusk]

do i need improvement on items or just the item levels is enough

[atomic abyss]

Bidders are about as good as it gets

[elfin hollow]

is there a tierlist for best mob fleet ships

[atomic abyss]

Yesn't

Because the best mob fleet ships depends on the kind of content you're doing

[elfin hollow]

i see i see

just looking for some campaign mob fleets

[atomic abyss]

Well, where in campaign

[dreamy blade]

that will also depend on what ships you even have available

[elfin hollow]

for chapter 10

i could clear with my current fleet but i wanna optimize

like is there anyone who would be better in a separate fleet

[soft raft]

I kinda find a >D10 Agir kinda sus but W10 should be a cakewalk with those lvls

Do raise Unicorn if you havent already, she'll be alot better after retrofit than Perseus for later campaign

[weary gust]

Unzen isn't mlb also.

Neither is percy, I think

[elfin hollow]

here's the thing i dont wanna use unicorn

[soft raft]

why tho

[opal forum]

don’t put level 99 low dev agir as tank lol

[elfin hollow]

cuz i dont like unicorn

[weary gust]

Whether you like her or not, she's the best healer in the game by a long shot.

[soft raft]

Perseus's +90% longer reload time pretty much completely screws over her output in W14-15

[dreamy blade]

you cant say you want to optimize but refuse to use 1 of the best ships in the game just cuz

[elfin hollow]

😭

yea i only use ships i like

[atomic abyss]

That's not really optimizing anymore is it

[elfin hollow]

i mean some of the ships i like are pretty good

[opal forum]

aren’t we talking about w10 though

[atomic abyss]

Well if you don't intend to clear w14/15 I suppose it doesn't matter

Regardless, maybe not use half limit broken rainbows

[elfin hollow]

i bet i could clear w14 without meta units

[viscid swift]

you could, in fact people have

[elfin hollow]

see

[viscid swift]

but it's a lot more hassle than it is worth frankly and only something you do as a flex

[atomic abyss]

You could, but you would be forced to compensate by other means

[opal forum]

I did 15 with percy

[atomic abyss]

I.e you'd need much better gear than you would otherwise

[soft raft]

maybe
depends on your tolerance for constantly resetting fights and maybe even having to manual

[viscid swift]

so have other people

thing is Unicorn is better, cheaper, and much more accessible

[elfin hollow]

i know for boss fleets u dont want a healer right

[viscid swift]

you wouldn't use Perseus for any other reason than personal preference and certainly it wouldn't be a recc to someone else

[weary gust]

In general, but w15 breaks that rule too.

[uneven oyster]

Are there any elite or lower rarity gear worth keeping that isn’t in misc category? I want to scrap most of it to open more boxes

[opal forum]

yeah it wasn’t a flex or anything, just wanted to illustrate that it’s possible (and in fact not that difficult) to kazu

[soft raft]

/equip 3rd link

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[viscid swift]

there's a safe to scrap guide in #bot-spam /equip

[uneven oyster]

Thanks

[atomic abyss]

Well in any case

[soft raft]

"Not that difficult"
I doubt that but whatever

[atomic abyss]

Primary issue with this fleet is the lack of limit breaks on Unzen/Agir

[viscid swift]

to you maybe, depending on the state of your account by the time you tackle W15 that could be different

[atomic abyss]

She still be enough to steamroll w10-12

But well, not ideal regardless

[viscid swift]

to be blunt, I would go low cost at that point

[elfin hollow]

yea like i said i'm playing the game using ships i like

[viscid swift]

Alsace plus Perseus and a solo vanguard, maybe 2 if you want to play it safe

[elfin hollow]

[viscid swift]

which is fine, but that's not "optimizing" because you're placing an arbitrary handi cap on yourself

[elfin hollow]

i suppose

[viscid swift]

anyway, this is why you don't use non MLB ships

[elfin hollow]

would mogador be good on a mob fleet

[viscid swift]

a 0 LB mogador would be just as useless as that Unzen

[atomic abyss]

Would be even more useless

Unzen at least is 2lb

[elfin hollow]

how about khronsh

is she good for mobs

[viscid swift]

again at 0 LB she's useless, just start a thread and post your dock

[atomic abyss]

Rainbows at 0-1lb/3-4 starswill perform worse than most other gold or even some purple ships

[elfin hollow]

well this is what im working with

[viscid swift]

that's it?

[elfin hollow]

yea

[weary gust]

Do you scrap anything below gold rarity?

[viscid swift]

what happened to your starter, Portland, etc

[elfin hollow]

yes

[weary gust]

Another way to handicap yourself severely ...

[viscid swift]

why, that's really wasteful and shorsighted

[elfin hollow]

yea

i retire ships i dont like

[viscid swift]

also, didn't I reccomend you a fleet already

[elfin hollow]

idk

[atomic abyss]

At this point I wouldn't even bother clearing content

I mean it's fine to play like that but like

[weary gust]

The way he's playing is like chopping off both arms and tying his legs together.

[dreamy blade]

im kinda confused what kindof answer you were originally looking for if youre just going to use ships you like anyway. just confirmation that those ships are good?

[eager mulch]

fish gaming

[elfin hollow]

for mobs yea

[sharp socket]

24 dock used

[viscid swift]

I did

here's the worst, part this was their dock YESTERDAY
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460645783021289472/1306293505240338482/IMG_3789.png?ex=673775a1&is=67362421&hm=1a35361941b4149cf94f0ed5fe39389875d116b6d8e5ee3f0d0c7ba940c1949a&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460645783021289472/1306293396419117169/IMG_3787.png?ex=67377587&is=67362407&hm=e988fa1eabdc05b19063d04bdb914f76fbc444a0ce54d1a32f2927f5970da30a&

[sharp socket]

no uni is crazy

[elfin hollow]

yea had to scrap some ships

[atomic abyss]

So 60 ships disappeared overnight

[viscid swift]

why!!!
no reason

[elfin hollow]

😭

[viscid swift]

like why retire a 125 Zara, not a good ship but still useful given your lack of options and you'd inested so mcuh into her like

[atomic abyss]

That is also an Ulrich that got scrapped

[weary gust]

You literally did not, barely even half your dock was full.

[viscid swift]

I legitimately do not understand what your though process was

[elfin hollow]

yea i dont like ulrich

[viscid swift]

have you considered that your favorites might not get you trhough everything and you'd have to use other to consider using other ships

[elfin hollow]

yea i know im not tryna be a top player or something

[weary gust]

Not to mention all that fleet tech lost.

[viscid swift]

or that using other ships would help you obtain equipment to make your favorites stronger and/or enable them to do better

[elfin hollow]

just clearing what i can

[eager mulch]

go ahead and play how you want to play

[atomic abyss]

Don't waste your breath cheeky

[viscid swift]

this isn't about being a top player, this is about some pretty basic common sense to do half decently in any game

[sharp socket]

i have a feeling this guy doesnt want gph help

[eager mulch]

feel free to not take gph advice

that’s your right

[elfin hollow]

i mean im clearing stuff fine

[atomic abyss]

You already recommended him a fleet yesterday

[viscid swift]

yeah, and how long do you think that's gonna last

[weary gust]

Because you're not in content yet that requires any level of thought

[atomic abyss]

And if he didn't take it there's nothing we can do

Just stop wasting your breath guys

[elfin hollow]

😭

[eager mulch]

[atomic abyss]

I mean you only have yourself to blame

[dreamy blade]

[atomic abyss]

Why come here asking for help if you're gonna disregard it?

[elfin hollow]

i mean im not disregarding it i just dont have the ships

[atomic abyss]

I mean

You deleted the ships you were recommended to use

[elfin hollow]

yea

[atomic abyss]

The ships that you asked for yesterday

[sharp socket]

you say that after scrapping 60 ships and a lv125 zara

[weary gust]

And Unicorn can be obtained at any moment from guild shop.

[atomic abyss]

I'm not sure what you expect us to do

[viscid swift]

Unicorn isn't the main issue here at all

[eager mulch]

go ahead ender, use your admin powers to resummon the ships to his dock

[elfin hollow]

i just wanted to know if i had any good ships for a mob fleet

[weary gust]

I know, was referencing him disregarding advice because he "doesn't like the ship".

[atomic abyss]

The answer is you don't even have enough ships for 2 proper fleets period

[viscid swift]

I gave you a recc yesterday, why didn't you follow it

[sharp socket]

how on earth do we help you if you have jack in your dock

[elfin hollow]

i dont have henrich

[weary gust]

You used to.

[proper jolt]

So yesterday you suggest him to use Zara and the next day he retired Zara?

[viscid swift]

you did

[atomic abyss]

For lack of a better word

We cannot help you

[primal silo]

Ender
Is there a way to prevent buying coins/oil with gems?
I'm afraid I will accidentally do it one day

[atomic abyss]

Because there's almost nothing to work with

[elfin hollow]

i see

[zenith swallow]

How many dorm slots are worth to unlock?

[elfin hollow]

😭

[weary gust]

3 total and 2nd dorm floor is recommended

[atomic abyss]

3 slots + 2nd floor

[viscid swift]

3 plus the 2nd floor

[stark quiver]

How many months should it take me to get enough plates for +13 Yamato gun

[primal silo]

[eager mulch]

1 if you’re lucky, most likely much more than that

[viscid swift]

about 3 months if you focus on that plate type in my experience

[weary gust]

1? if you do opsi.

[unique lantern]

oops, i bought 5 before consulting here

[weary gust]

Get 2nd floor still, and welp now you have 10 slots in dorm.

[rare wyvern]

Are the parallel torps that can hit sub worth the trouble for ASW in w14 ?

[viscid swift]

no

[elfin hollow]

what rank are u guys btw for exercise

[rare wyvern]

Fair enough

[dreamy blade]

i did the same bc of the misleading text that pops up when you try to buy the 2nd floor...

[viscid swift]

#al-general or #pvp for that

[unique lantern]

what kinda gear does eldridge want after her retro?
but im relatively poor on gear and have no extras for supportive units so no hard to get/limited bis items

[viscid swift]

standard DD gear

you can pretty much copy your starter's loadout

[atomic abyss]

Twin 100/114, same old torps, twin 113, toolbox x2

That's about your poverty equip for her

[unique lantern]

toolbox x2 is a thing?

[past jackal]

Wta, do I need to 3 star event maps or i just need to get it to 100%.

[zenith swallow]

So 5 slots unlocked on the 1st floor and 2 unlocked on the 2nd? Or does the 3 slots include the free ones?

[viscid swift]

yes, pretty standard for DDs

[sharp socket]

i found double toolbox all the time to be a waste so i go 1 toolbox 1 gold hp aux

[stark quiver]

That’s odd
Just pure gun plates, no selectors

[viscid swift]

5 on each floor, 10 in total

[sharp socket]

tear, manjuu, cyanide, etc

[rare wyvern]

What does the second floor even do ?

[atomic abyss]

When you unlock 2nd floor
You get the same as you have on first floor

Faster morale regeneration

[viscid swift]

morale regen, even better than the first floor

[thorn wolf]

Which ur ship should I raise next

[rare wyvern]

Huh

[weary gust]

What's odd?

[viscid swift]

how many bullins do you have?

[zenith swallow]

Wait, crap. I unlocked the 2nd floor without unlocked any slots on the 1st, does that mean I have to spend double the gems?

Oh thank god

[atomic abyss]

Morale basically stops you from using a ship for too long without rest

[stark quiver]

You got 4 bulins?

[viscid swift]

know, the 2nd floor will match the number of slots on the first even after purchase new slots after the 2nd floor

[sharp socket]

vanny is my recommendation, else musashi if looking to push w15

[past jackal]

To unlock all i think around 2800 gem

[atomic abyss]

The whole point is that it's poverty

[thorn wolf]

2

[rare wyvern]

Yeah I know how morale worked but didn't figure the second floor really

[unique lantern]

one of these would be better than 2nd toolbox tho, ye? just placeholders on the other ships rn

[stark quiver]

Anyways , I’d mlb amagi cv

[thorn wolf]

But i still can farm it later

[rare wyvern]

Just bought a third slot of dorm

[viscid swift]

then wait until you get 4 and ask again then

[viscid swift]

yes

[stark quiver]

holy lag

[viscid swift]

we just don't assume everyone has these 550 HP auxes that are worth using hence why double toolbox is the standard recc

[past jackal]

Buy black friday package 🤣🤣 use those gem

[atomic abyss]

550HP aux are almost all event limited or core shop

Not really poverty

[stark quiver]

With just the gun plate drops?

[sharp socket]

you can get 550hp auxes from core shop?

[viscid swift]

Seal of the 4 Gods

I think one of the limited auxes is also at least 500 HP

[atomic abyss]

Cosmic kicks was Eva right
Not HP

[viscid swift]

yes

[stark quiver]

Eva and speed

[viscid swift]

there's this one

[weary gust]

I meant that doing opsi would be a requirement for the 1 month or so time frame to even be a remote possibility. You'd still need to get gold plates from all other sources too.

[stark quiver]

I guess that sparks the question of where my plates went to

[viscid swift]

and this from the archives

[elfin hollow]

oh yea are war archives worth farming

[slow fox]

For Rudder yeah

[hollow gust]

only the ironblood ones

[hollow gust]

ewwwwwwwww

[sharp socket]

defensive aux with +damage effects seem good

[rare wyvern]

What's hiding in those war archives ?

[atomic abyss]

Ironblood ships
To unlock Friedrich de Grosse

[sharp socket]

especially when higher chapters are sakura enemies

[atomic abyss]

And August, and Agir

[viscid swift]

yeah, just a bit hard to squeeze in when you're running asw for later stages

[muted ember]

what does this do

[sharp socket]

eldridge provides all the asw doesnt she

[stark quiver]

It’s a profile frame

Cosmetic

[viscid swift]

well eldridge asside

[stark quiver]

What’s with Aldridge

[unique lantern]

why is the event gun considered so bad on ectl? also is that purp on musashi the best for her or another one of the "ectl guys are bad" cases

[sharp socket]

mega slow

[viscid swift]

it's niche

[stark quiver]

Long ass reload

[sharp socket]

doesnt sync with anything

[viscid swift]

very high alpha but very slow

mainly useful when you're syncing BBs with CVs

[south sequoia]

soyuz with nakhimov

[viscid swift]

this was pretty much the BiS gun on Zwei for Algerie META

[south sequoia]

that too

[stark quiver]

Are there any situation for 2 460 to be used

[south sequoia]

bismarck zwei + shinanohak was core

[viscid swift]

not currently

[stark quiver]

Bruh I only have 1

[sharp socket]

science aside its mostly useless

[forest palm]

glad you're up to speed

[viscid swift]

this was Haku's loadout for that fight, and we ran 0 CV reload tech for this

[atomic abyss]

Unironically yes

Tho with enough CV rld tech you can use Soyuz gun

I am currently using Soyuz gun rn with 0 BB rld

[sharp socket]

how is the science going with nakhi anyway

[viscid swift]

she's good I guess

[atomic abyss]

She looks to be best used for light and med

[sharp socket]

is she top for light

[viscid swift]

haven't really had much reason to push her limits yet plus no 2nd La-9

[atomic abyss]

She's not topping yk2 I don't think

But she does throw out impla

[forest palm]

I'm honestly not interested in playing around with one La-9

[sharp socket]

i would imagine no need for dedicated slow would be amazing

can just slap more damage onto the comp

[viscid swift]

well in a way you do

[atomic abyss]

It's easier to play around with LA-9 than Skyraider

[storm heron]

is the 9.99 pack for a l2d skin worth it?

[forest palm]

just need that second one

[atomic abyss]

You still would want Tashkent

[hollow gust]

Nahkimov works very well with Eagle

[atomic abyss]

Though Tashkent DPS against light is very not non-negligible

Yeah Nakh best comp I've seen seems to be with kears and yk2

[sharp socket]

yeah but the slow goes into frontline, while backline can stack more damage and is the main source of it

[storm heron]

double negative?

[atomic abyss]

Yeah I meant the double negative

[storm heron]

so very negligible?

[atomic abyss]

Wait

[sharp socket]

[storm heron]

[atomic abyss]

Fuck

[slow fox]

Legendary triple negative

[atomic abyss]

It became triple negative whoops

[undone plover]

double gem is better
10 USD > 1200 gems
this one is rng and some minor resources

[atomic abyss]

It's non-negligible is what I meant

Tash DPS isn't quite DDG, but it's still respectable

[storm heron]

I see, the pack kinda sux then, thx

[atomic abyss]

Tho Voro has the edge on being tankier

[hollow gust]

Also Tash dps is as overrated as Sandy dps

[undone plover]

most of these packs are higher value if u run out of double gem bonus

[viscid swift]

well no, double gems don't last forever and if you're happy with all or at least most of the options well

[atomic abyss]

I mean, every bit counts if 1 shotting is the point of the exercise

[sharp socket]

where does tash sit against ddg, sandy, mog

[viscid swift]

lower, a lot lower

[hollow gust]

and her dps is nowhere as infuential

[atomic abyss]

Not a lot lower

[past jackal]

Wanna ask, do I need to 3 star or just 100% event map.

[atomic abyss]

It heavily depends on the amount of fleet tech you have

[sharp socket]

so her purpose is mainly now slow support for nakh

[hollow gust]

dont overate her dps like you overrate sandy's

[atomic abyss]

You get extra rewards for 3-starring maps

[atomic abyss]

What, that argument was before her augment lol

[undone plover]

3 star A or C and B or D maps for mission rewards

[past jackal]

Didnt seems like it. Or the reward is 3 star all map. Didnt read. 10 oil to 3 star all map 😭

10k oil*

[sharp socket]

u get a gold bulin and other goodies from it iirc

[viscid swift]

check the event missions

[hollow gust]

?, her dps is still not comparable to actual dps ships like ply and ddgs

[storm heron]

also what do I do with 14.5k oil and 60k gold

[viscid swift]

farm, what else

[past jackal]

Ahhh i did get bulin

[hollow gust]

yep

[naive dew]

How many days of meta showdown does it roughly take for MLB?

[atomic abyss]

Can we not pretend like Ply and DDGs are the only things that exist

[viscid swift]

about a month

[atomic abyss]

DDGs are heavily reliant on fleet tech to reach that high damage lol

My own tests with low fleet tech already showed the DDGs barely clearing Tashkent

[storm heron]

yeah I still have a lot of dds fp

[hollow gust]

ply is like the baseline of "dps" ships, sandy and tash have decet dps, notthing special

[slow fox]

Wasn't the baseline Drake?

[sharp socket]

what is zero tech ranking of damage from tash, ddg, sandy, mog then

[hollow gust]

ehhh

[viscid swift]

Drake is garbo, Plymouth replaced her as the baseline as well

[atomic abyss]

PLY IS YOUR BASELINE???

[naive dew]

Am I still just about safe on Nagato meta if I start now?

[atomic abyss]

That's not a baseline anymore

[storm heron]

ply baseline means everyone is -%

[viscid swift]

you might just make it

[slow fox]

"Agir is a baseline"

[atomic abyss]

If ply is your baseline you might as well rubbish everything

[hollow gust]

there sre lot of ships with crazy dps now, ply isnt special anymore

[naive dew]

Thanks

[atomic abyss]

Then do name me the "a lot more ships"

[unique lantern]

ply has 3mgm and good eff, no? pretty above baseline if you ask me

[storm heron]

I think baseline should be something that people can relate to, for example portland

[atomic abyss]

Ply should be the baseline for a very strong DPS

Not a DPS

[hollow gust]

Mogador , Unzen, 3 DDGs

[viscid swift]

Hindenburg

[atomic abyss]

That's literally 6 ships

[sharp socket]

i think baseline for light dps should be starter with aug

[rare wyvern]

Is Dev 30 the point where Plymouth rocks btw ? (I'm at 26 and still pretty underwhelming)
Also do you guys have a loadout rec for her ? :3

[atomic abyss]

How is that a lot

[viscid swift]

yes

[storm heron]

yes ply got her 3rd mgm

[atomic abyss]

Your argument doesn't even make sense

[eager mulch]

can we go back to Portland baseline

[rare wyvern]

Oh nice. Any gun particularly good for her ? I put on a low quality one and it might also explain the underwhelmingness

[slow fox]

For reference, a ship that has 6 ships tankier than it would be Anchorage. Anchorage good eHP baseline?

[hollow gust]

plymouth DPS is like the starting point of where frontline damage actually matters, the rest are just fluffs and i consquential

[storm heron]

z23 baseline sounds good

[viscid swift]

her own gun from PR5

[sharp socket]

portland baseline would make ply like 500%

[atomic abyss]

That's a really silly take

And I hope you know you look absolutely silly right now

[slow fox]

I like this idea. Then we'd measure overall ship effectiveness in absolute Portlands.

[rare wyvern]

I don't know which ship owns which gun, just the name please (sowwy)

[atomic abyss]

Quadruple 152mm
It's a rainbow gun

[viscid swift]

Quad 152mm

[eager mulch]

Portland as the gold standard for ehp, damage, and AA

[rare wyvern]

Oh now I see

[forest palm]

saying Plymouth is the baseline for vanguard damage is plain silly

[atomic abyss]

Exactly

[hollow gust]

in meta fights and Harbys, you bring vanguards as supports, only dps vanguards ships above ply can make or break a fight

[rare wyvern]

Welp, time to die farming more ops

[forest palm]

may as well move the bar to Hindenburg

[atomic abyss]

This may shock you but, meta and harby one shots are like, pure flex

[rare wyvern]

No wait it's not even gear lab

[atomic abyss]

And utterly meaningless for the average player

[hollow gust]

ships below plymouth still has decent damage but it doesnt mean they are DPS carrys