gameplay-help

[stone sluice]

What are the Izumo and Daisen guns?

[weary scroll]

wait what?

[stark quiver]

yes
only backline

[cobalt rapids]

triple 410 prototype and twin 410 prototype

[atomic abyss]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_410mm_(10th_Year_Type_Prototype) izumo gun
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_410mm_(Mod.A_Prototype) daisen gun

[spring bolt]

usually if you want to carry weak backlines in ch 12, you just use strong AA vanguards like sandy, and ideally you at least have a strong backline in flagship spot that can take MVP

[atomic abyss]

main fleet means backline only

[weary scroll]

💀 no way i was using frontline iron blood the entire time

[atomic abyss]

your frontliners will contribute 0 progress

[stark quiver]

dw i did that too

[spring bolt]

at least you have 2 ib backlines so not a dooms day

[stark quiver]

also does anyone have bis2,vanny,alsace heavy/light gear examples i can copy off of

[stone sluice]

There’s some people using one of these on Musashi, right?

[atomic abyss]

people were using the triple
the twin gun is a very new one intro only in July

[eager mulch]

some

[atomic abyss]

so his point was, use the twin instead of the triple

[atomic abyss]

i mean... just use the same guns on all of them
like BB syncing is really simple if you're using the same guns

[sweet delta]

i know what the problem is but dont know why yet. CM Elbing gives all vanguards a permanent +60% damage due to poison. Bayard only gets it temporarily

[atomic abyss]

she's too pure

[crimson glacier]

being toxic pays off

[spring bolt]

that's some mind blowing weird bug

[atomic abyss]

anyways

i tested bayard vs mainz on helemt

pretty clear difference in DPS even when mainz is main tanking and getting her shields shredded for barrage proc

if bayard gets low the gap is even larger

[spring bolt]

yeah, totally same result here

[atomic abyss]

i dont got plyguns tho

[spring bolt]

155kai is almost the same on light so that's fine

[lyric hornet]

Is there a easy way to get T1 upgrade parts for equipment, doing rigging research and its chewing through what i had

[atomic abyss]

stop grinding w13 and above if you are and go back to w12

[cobalt rapids]

exchange in medal, open blue boxes

[spring bolt]

farm event A or B maps for pt, instead of C or D

[atomic abyss]

its pretty hard to get bayard down consistently admittedly

i might need to remove the survivability entirely

[spring bolt]

yeah, idk what number is used in previous math, but i think i will give her 5% if i need to do the calculation

[atomic abyss]

ok dropped lusty now

[dusk maple]

Is that why sometimes my vanguards gets random wipouts after clearing the poison with healing?

[atomic abyss]

theres a diff bug where poison ISNT cleared

[cobalt rapids]

i think thats just desync

[dusk maple]

Oh okay

[atomic abyss]

i took out lusty and the frontline died

LOVELY

[cobalt rapids]

thers a bug where poison isnt cleared? i havent encountered it

[dusk maple]

Perseus has a heal exactly every 20s, it can't be desynced

[cobalt rapids]

it can with device lag

[dusk maple]

wtf

[atomic abyss]

and hence why i use volga

[sweet delta]

volga has the same chance to desync

[eager mulch]

hence why I use perseus

[atomic abyss]

oh right

bayard is one of the tankiest CLs

full 20% more eHP than mainz

fs5 mainz is port kai tier

[crimson glacier]

how is your mainz so pathetic

[spring bolt]

there are multiple bugs for scorpio...
first the +60% damage buff should be gone when a healer clears the vemon as designed, but it stays. dev didn't fix it, but somehow according to sushi, bayard doesn't get it
second is heal desync due to frame lag, this is obvious for Ognevoy's 10s heal, which consistently desyncs at around 5 min into the battle, but perseus doesn't have this issue. this is not just for scorpio btw
third is heal randomly not clearing the vemon, this could happen to percy but not very frequently, once per 10 or 15 fights

[crimson glacier]

isnt that montpelier close to her

[atomic abyss]

it is

[crimson glacier]

since when does monty do dmg

[atomic abyss]

my monty is oathed tho

oathed and w. unique aug

[cobalt rapids]

how can ognevoy desync but percy doesnt

[spring bolt]

10s vs 20s, it desyncs twice as fast

[sweet delta]

if ognevoy desyncs at 5 minutes then perseus desyncs at 10 minutes

[cobalt rapids]

interesting, im pretty sure i had percy desync tho

[spring bolt]

it's related to frames so maybe you can try a better device/emu?

[eager mulch]

i havent dont it in over a year

[sweet delta]

i know why the +60% dmg disappears for some ships

[cobalt rapids]

they have a eva rate buff?

[sweet delta]

any ship who gains, loses, or updates damageRatioBullet after being cured of venom will lose the +60%

and Bayard happens to constantly update her bloodrage damageRatioBullet

[hollow gust]

That's Nagato ?

[atomic abyss]

Helmet

[hollow gust]

How is your damage so mid

Is that lvl120?

[hollow gust]

Lvl120 bayard and Monty

[pastel wraith]

which one I should get? IT's the first time I'm getting this

[sweet delta]

[hollow gust]

Nano

[sweet delta]

Shinano until she's MLB, and you may not want to spend UR bulins on these ships. Just get them MLB very slowly and don't use them in battle before MLB

[pastel wraith]

dumb question, what is mlb?

[hollow gust]

Just take nano multiple times

Max limit break , so you need 5 copies of shinano , you could use bulins but no real rush to max her

[pastel wraith]

IcIC

[pastel wraith]

thank you!

I picked shinano

I knew what limit break meant, but didn't knew about "MLB"

[storm heron]

it It's not like I helped you or anything

[pastel wraith]

I appreciate for willing to help a fellow newbie, I only play this game casually so I'm not familiar with the terms

[dreamy cave]

Anyone got any tips/advice for someone thats trying to beat Elbin Hard Challenge mode ? (I can get past the mechanic with aircraft carrier but im lacking severe amounts of damage)

i've got a large amount of ships to choose from except some few (like implacable and yorktown and Musashi, to think of some very popular ones)

[viscid swift]

it's just a case of canceling the poison and then stacking damage against a light armor boss

[hollow gust]

i stat checked that shit

[sweet delta]

https://suchiguma.github.io/ChallengeMode/
Lacking damage means you should use the correct gear and aurora if possible

[dreamy cave]

i wish it was that easy for me, i feel like its a skill issue but all i lack is damage. Yet i have HE guns on all of them as shes a destroyer with light armor etc

i can show what im using if that helps, but dont know if that'd spam the channel a bit

[viscid swift]

she's a light cruiser not a destroyer for one

but go ahead, that's what this channel is for

[dreamy cave]

right, i always mix her up with her WoWs counterpart where shes a destroyer

[soft dagger]

why no helena around? for consistency?

[hollow gust]

Helena is when you dont have enough damage output

[sweet delta]

No reason, actually Helena is good

Actually Helena isn't there because Aurora is better, and maybe Helena could replace Anshan at best

+60% vanguard damage for free devalues Helena a little

[dreamy cave]

This is my current fleet + loadout that im using

[hollow gust]

unzen for aurora

[dreamy cave]

any advice is very welcome

[viscid swift]

you have no way of canceling the poison for one

[dreamy cave]

my aurora is equipped, but currently only level 100

[viscid swift]

drop one of the BBs for Perseus or a properly timed Unicorn

[dreamy cave]

kearsarge has planes tho no ?
is a screen clear

[weary gust]

It's healing that cancels, not airstrikes.

[viscid swift]

have you actually read the skills for this CM?

[dreamy cave]

i thought i did, but apparently i did miss something, my bad

[sweet delta]

Let him manual

[viscid swift]

I don't know why anyone would want to manual for 5+ minutes when they could just let it auto

[viscid swift]

if her relevant skill is level 10 then that's good enough

[sweet delta]

Anyways just read two pages and you can copy a BB fleet, with Ulrich off flag and kearsarge benched

[dreamy cave]

should be fine ig

[cobalt rapids]

you can clear the barrage with airstrikes

[dreamy cave]

yee but they are right in that im still getting hammered with the evasion reduction

i just didnt get hit by the final sting

[soft dagger]

nevermind, she's in your speed clear vid. im blind

[dusky vault]

Best stages to farm exp points for pr ships?

[cobalt rapids]

w12+

[dreamy cave]

ig its time for me to level an shan to 125, she just dies so incredibly quickly on 125, esp with auto battle

[cobalt rapids]

is she not eating poison barrages?

apprently theres a poison not clearing bug so if that happens u should reset

[dreamy cave]

yeah i thought i saw that
kept ticking

but she dies a bit too consistently, so i dont wanna blame it on the bug

[cobalt rapids]

Ure using uni ?

[weary scroll]

i just got her in daily pull is she any good

[dreamy cave]

i have a choice between perseus and uni, i took perseus because guide recommends her

[cobalt rapids]

Yes but not good at lb0 and shes not highest prio for ur bulins

[cobalt rapids]

Yea thats fine

[sweet delta]

If anshan is dying then change the guide's oxytorp to a toolkit

[weary scroll]

ah ok thx

[dreamy cave]

Is vanguard still worth it if not max lb and lvl 100 ?

i got such an influx of UR's that im kinda spread thin atm

[cobalt rapids]

Depends on ur dock but most likely not

Actually no based on ur previous ss

[dreamy cave]

what would be a good substitude ?

[cobalt rapids]

Alsus soyuz uvh

[forest palm]

ulrich is such a headache

[cobalt rapids]

Actually theres bisko

[dreamy cave]

aight, i did change her out against Alsace

[cobalt rapids]

So replace uvy with bz

Bz soyuz and healer

[dreamy cave]

aight ill give that a try

[cobalt rapids]

And idk if those partial lbs are with dupes but if not try to focus only on one at a time

[desert tapir]

My current opsi mob fleet vanguard is Roon Suzutsuki, and Mainz.
I was thinking of swapping Roon for Kala and Suzutsuki for Magador or An Shan.

Would these changes actually help mob fleet effectiveness or am I being dumb?

[cobalt rapids]

they would be a definitive boost

[desert tapir]

Thank you kindly Umi. Does it matter if it matter who replaces Suzu?

[cobalt rapids]

mog would be better if shes mlb and not used in other fleets

[desert tapir]

She's mlb, and currently free. Seeing has mob fleet does most off no. Harbiter combat probably best to give them first upgrade

[dreamy cave]

I feel like theres smth very wrong

[cobalt rapids]

technically yes but also most combat except harbi is the easier part
i would invest in mob till they can auto strongholds then focus on clearspeed

[cobalt rapids]

plymouth should be tanking

[dreamy cave]

yeah i did that afterwards

[rancid mural]

Do you get a ur bullion for like reaching level 100 or clearing 13-4

Need to scrape 1 up for muashi somewhere

[desert tapir]

That the plan. Currently mob can almost solo strongholds. Still have to switch to BB BOSS fleet to finish of the last few health bars of the final boss if I don't pay attention and heal them half way through.

[tame jungle]

musashi event will have another bulin as milestone

[cobalt rapids]

ull get it from her 30k milestone

[cobalt rapids]

ur aurora doesnt look like shes urvives much so ull lose a considerable dps buff
also is ply d25 at least?

[rancid mural]

Alright neat, now begins the somehow getting 500k gold

[dreamy cave]

yeah, shes D26

[cobalt rapids]

u only need like less than 240k to guarantee her pity

[weary scroll]

which one of amagi cv skill is highest prio

[cobalt rapids]

her first 2

[cobalt rapids]

ull have to lvl aurora if u want her surviving
also +10 ur defensive auxes

[dreamy cave]

ironically they are all +10

[cobalt rapids]

okay good coz in the prev screenshots u had alot of +6s and stuff

[dreamy cave]

ur right, i was thinking about plymouth, but we were talking about aurora

[cobalt rapids]

well every1 should have all gear at +10
except aa guns they dont matter here besides the statsticks

[rancid mural]

Which of these is the best to farm?

[cobalt rapids]

divergent for kms tech if u need it

[dreamy cave]

i just wanna say i really appreciate the help, because i was at a wits end

[eager mulch]

where does wit end?

[rancid mural]

Is that this?

[cobalt rapids]

yep

[rancid mural]

Guess I should run that then

Is there anything for eagle?

Been trying to get this lol

[cobalt rapids]

not really but eagle tech is easier to get

theres a few elites in guildshop u can grab

[rancid mural]

Yea I snagged em

[cobalt rapids]

then next step is to mlb em

[rancid mural]

Pain lol

Oh well long long term project

[cobalt rapids]

ur first row besides alba will also give a bunch when u 120 em

[rancid mural]

Neat

Will this

It's not eagle

[cobalt rapids]

nope shes french

[rancid mural]

Damn lol

It's the only pr ship I can make

[weary scroll]

who to use in my pvp team

[cobalt rapids]

u can start her but dont pr grind till ure in w12

[late flame]

check pins in #pvp

[rancid mural]

Every other ship rip

Pr requirements are beast

[cobalt rapids]

well if u grind chessboard u should be able to unlock roon which u can grind her when u reach w12 for even more kms tech for fdg

[rancid mural]

Nice

[sweet delta]

Another problem is soyuz using a twin gun instead of doing this. Soyuz is the slower BB, she should have mk6 or mk7 with AFCT+white while Bisz has mk6 or mk7 with black+white

[dreamy cave]

whats the science behind that, why she gotta be slower

[cobalt rapids]

so they will be in sync forever
the slower bb is pushed faster due to the first salvo reload% on radar
which makes her push the faster bb forever due to gun jamming after her so they will be near each other

[sweet delta]

Doing the gear like that keeps them synced for the whole time, which means Bisz can always benefit from soyuz debuff, and soyuz can benefit from black hole

And twin HE gun is just worse than mk6 usually

[graceful kelp]

pro

[desert tapir]

I'm confused. Is this the one who's supposed to give 60% vanguard damage?

[dreamy cave]

so i wanna swap gear from bz to Soyuz so she has the Mk7 + AFCT+White and Bizko Mk6 + White+Black

[sweet delta]

No, she gives the whole fleet around 25% to 30% more damage against most DD and CL

The 60% vanguard damage in Elbing CM is due to the boss skill

[sweet delta]

So you should level up Aurora and her yellow skill asap because Aurora is best in many fleets against DD and CL

[rapid topaz]

Does anyone know how get just 5 points for meta coordinates?

[soft raft]

not possible afaik

it's either 10 or 20, no in-between
Which also begs the question on how the fuck you got into that circumstance

[sweet delta]

Bisz does more damage with main gun, so you want to give her the mk7 if timing allows (it is indeed better timing) so you wanna swap gear from bz to Soyuz so she has the Mk6 + AFCT+White and Bizko Mk7 + White+Black

[desert tapir]

But how does.....wait nope figured out what I was reading wrong. Thank you for clarification

[rapid topaz]

Will it ever reset to 0. Not sure what I did but I have 5 points

[sweet delta]

Safe zone Corrosion 1 boxes give 5 points each

[rapid topaz]

Tysm

[sweet delta]

And safe zone corrosion 6 boxes give 15 points

[dreamy cave]

@sweet delta sorry for direct ping but you seem to be here rn.

You got a good alternative i could use for these planes as i have neither ?

[dreamy cave]

its getting better, but we're still very far off killiing it

at this point its just pure survivability missing, this is with aurora being lvl 120

[graceful kelp]

what does doing challenge mode benefit u or in general

[dreamy cave]

in my case currently it helps me understand the game better

because its the first roadblock i genuinely cant seem to overcome

[soft raft]

chat frames, really
And is a good place to test stuff since the boss doesnt really tend to die easily

[graceful kelp]

i see

[sweet delta]

Do you have Eldridge retrofit? To replace anshan

[dreamy cave]

i do nyot, i dont even have eldrige herself

never really grabbed her because pre-retrofit she wasnt really that good

[sweet delta]

Then change Perseus to a correctly timed unicorn for double the healing

Or manual

[dreamy cave]

Ryuusei is the Aichi B7A ryusei right, theres no variant correct ?

[eager mulch]

[dreamy cave]

with 3 RLD tech they mean what exactly ?

[cobalt rapids]

cats + fleet tech bonus

[dreamy cave]

is that this ?

[viscid swift]

yes, you also need to account for bonuses from cats if you're using them

[dreamy cave]

never really interacted much with it

aight, i think i should have enough RLD

[cobalt rapids]

should be exactly that if u use unicorn

[eager mulch]

for a lv125 unicorn in love with a bfg and ryuusei *

[dreamy cave]

is it of import that shes married and not just love

[cobalt rapids]

yes means extra rld

[dreamy cave]

currently i keep runniing into the issue that final sing oneshots my ships

[cobalt rapids]

which ull have to account for which sadly going from 3RLD to 0 mean shes still faster but idk if timing is still fine prob not

[eager mulch]

Oathing uni?

[sweet delta]

So you use the calculator

[dreamy cave]

this is the current issue

[viscid swift]

sync is not tight enough evidently

[sweet delta]

Your unicorn is way too fast

[sweet delta]

[dreamy cave]

😭
suffering from success

iss this correct ? should be i think

so how do i make her slower, its not like i can disable oath buff right

[sweet delta]

That's not the correct calculator and even if it were, 19.27 is not it

[late flame]

manjuu, slower planes and such

[sweet delta]

https://suchiguma.github.io/ChallengeMode/ there's a calculator linked here and you can try changing the torpedo bomber to VIT-2 mode change or use aviation manjuu

[elfin hollow]

Is it even worth going past chapter 12? 12-4 is the best for grinding and I haven't even bothered trying to finish 13-1. Is there any benefit?

[viscid swift]

gems, collection, the challenge, completion

[cobalt rapids]

beneficial if ure looking to complete ur collection and or aiming for higher efficiencies but different

[elfin hollow]

Efficiencies?

[cobalt rapids]

higher worlds have better cog income

and some also better coin

[elfin hollow]

Oh like, more coins per oil.

Yea but I've been told it's almost impossible to efficiently grind past world 12.

[viscid swift]

Your timings are way out of wack

[cobalt rapids]

better xp per time, better cognitive chips per run and better coins per oil and time is what u can find in 13/14/15 depending on stage
but w12 is great for forming and doesnt warrant moving if u dont want to

[viscid swift]

you don't even need a calculator to check Uni's timings if you're not using the timing auxes just go to the gear screen

[dreamy cave]

yeah i sat through it

[cobalt rapids]

thats too fast
and ull have to fiddle with ur timing more if u have to use cv timing aux coz cheekys is unoathed

[dreamy cave]

so do i just take the meowficer out that gives me rld ?

[viscid swift]

like I said with Unicorn because you don't have to take into account skills just go to the gear screen and you'll see her airstrike cooldown there

play around with it and get as close to 20 seconds as possible without going over

[cobalt rapids]

yes, cats arent shown on gear screen
this loses dmg but it syncs with 0 tech and cats

[viscid swift]

you really don't have a lot of leeway either, even 0.1 off is gonna be too much for a decently long fight

[sweet delta]

You should be using BB cats anyways

[cobalt rapids]

this one is better actually with 11 rld from ur tech

[glass basin]

I clicked on overview while in arbiter zone and this popped up. do I lose progress if I confirm?

[viscid swift]

normal arbiter no

[glass basin]

so even if I go back and repair the ships I can still come back and finish her off?

[dreamy cave]

im 50 core data off of getting the manjuu
im dead

[viscid swift]

yes

[dreamy cave]

when i swap it out with oscar, so no more RLD from cats im at 20.1

[viscid swift]

don't you have a Ju-87d you can use

[dreamy cave]

i do !

[cobalt rapids]

u have to see these on calc :roonupsidedownpoint:

[glass basin]

oh that's neat
I assume the best comp vs this month's arbiter is 2 Rainbow bb(not warspoot) + vanguard? All champy gun? Plus Helena and something tanky like ply
plus a jeanne or something

[cobalt rapids]

probably kear yk2 and smth + sirius helena + smth
but it depends on ur stuff and gear
bb will have an easier time dodging the shield than cvs so yea

[dreamy cave]

with Ju-87d i have like 19.95, which should be fine right ?

lets try this figh again tomorrow when i can get the thicc avi manjuu, its 2:30 am , enough waifu maxxxing

I appreciatte all of your help very very very much

[glass basin]

honestly I don't have many limited ships as I haven't been playing much
so I was copium warspoot howe doy

[elfin hollow]

Does Brest not have a Fate simulation for some reason?

[south sequoia]

not all DRs have a FS yet

[cobalt rapids]

i mean its a bb comp
hard to say what upgrade u got without seeing ur dock

[south sequoia]

It's something that comes with time

[elfin hollow]

Oh okay. I was so confused

[viscid swift]

or you could try this now with no Manjuu needed, 11 CVL reload which you should have

[forest palm]

Agir, DR5, DR6, and All of PR7 do not have fate sim

[elfin hollow]

Is there any way to speed up Agir? Lol. I'm at dev level 27 but she still needs like 100 blueprints.

[glass basin]

basically all pre-2021 BBs plus FdG

[viscid swift]

you could also try with this with 2 CVL reload

[forest palm]

not really just have to take the right research

[elfin hollow]

I was prioritizing her before I even unlocked her, lol.

[viscid swift]

doesn't sound like you're picking your researches well then

[south sequoia]

/research

[odd root]

credit: Newbie#1553 and Lunar#7777 https://i.imgur.com/wGQkqJk.jpg

[viscid swift]

what does your current research que look like

[elfin hollow]

I mean, I've only had her for like 2 weeks.

[south sequoia]

refer to this when picking ur research

[elfin hollow]

It's almost always a coin research for a character if possible.

[viscid swift]

what you take when there are no face researches is also important

but anyway PR is a long slog, you're looking about 3 months to max her even with catchup

[elfin hollow]

Whoa, the cube ones are actually good? I was told to avoid those to keep my cube count high.

[viscid swift]

they're good but only if you can afford them

[south sequoia]

its good if your cube count is high

[elfin hollow]

Gotcha.

This was helpful.

[glass basin]

which path for mk7 is better value

[viscid swift]

MkD

[stark quiver]

How much % more damage do I get for bbs with max bb tech compared to 0

[sweet delta]

Use Lars timing calculator

[rapid grail]

how 2 elbing challenge mode? just use unikai, antilight BBs and frontline?

[sweet delta]

https://suchiguma.github.io/ChallengeMode/

[cobalt rapids]

depends on rld breakpoints, but even without like 20ish %

[stark quiver]

time to keep grinding I guess

[spring bolt]

bishamaru rld is 1.288% at lv30 btw, you can add that into calculator to get accurate timing

[dreamy cave]

tried this but vanguard still dies too quickly

[stark quiver]

other than my ijn bricked bisha i dont think i even have any other cv cats

[opaque gate]

does high efficiency gives double the exp?

[forest palm]

would Bishamru's RLD even have to be calc'd if it's distributed to all CVs

[viscid swift]

yes

[opaque gate]

thanks

[cobalt rapids]

the calc alr adds bisha rld if u put her

[frank pulsar]

it double morale drain as well, not recommended to use unless you dont have time to grind much

[languid reef]

in war archives, does using high efficiency logistic plans equate to double d3 boss fleets sunk?

[cobalt rapids]

nope

[languid reef]

damn, thanks tho

[forest palm]

[spring bolt]

yes for timing, as carriers has different rld

[forest palm]

but it shouldn't change much of anything if you already have a sync'd load out it wouldn't it?

[spring bolt]

well it's just putting 1.288% into calc, why skipping it however small it is...

[boreal wagon]

it can make a difference - but most of the time it doesn't

[forest palm]

I would agree if you're looking for a specific timing for the in fight timer, but also if it's distributed to all ships I wouldn't bother personally

[spring bolt]

it's really this simple to get an accurate number... i don't really understand your logic here...

[cobalt rapids]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/ use this instead where its alr accounted for

[forest palm]

I'd rather just eye ball tbh it's much simpler

only time I'd care is for like Bacon, or Avi Manjuu where it's a 4% to a singular ship

[glass basin]

honestly true, just load up and check

[late flame]

hungry for manjuu bacon

[forest palm]

it's also very brain dead if you're just using something as simple as Shinano + Amagi + Implacable where you can just use the in game FR because they don't have anything that affects RLD

[spring bolt]

implac sync is where rld needs to checked carefully otherwise you might desync after 3 or 4 airstrikes
but suit yourself, your game your play style

[vale spindle]

:yeppega:

[forest palm]

all I'm saying is if RLD Buff is applied to all ships then I don't feel the need to worry about it

[spring bolt]

my point is that ships don't have same rld, ignoring the % rld buff doesn't make your result any better, and to calculate it is simple anyway... also iirc ingame ship rld time also doesn't count cat rld stat talents, it stacks up to % rld and sync will be messy

[sweet delta]

Don't sweat it, most players don't understand and will never understand because they can just copy homework

[forest palm]

they don't have the same rld yes but if you've already accounted for the base rld difference then a rld buff applied to all ships wouldn't change much of anything

[sharp socket]

copying homework works?

[vale spindle]

yes its not real life

[sharp socket]

what homework is there to copy for an augnanomagi cv setup

[cobalt rapids]

but chatgpt always gave me max grades

[sharp socket]

with 20-29 tech

[sweet delta]

you're out of luck

[sharp socket]

while also having 200aff shinano

[forest palm]

ew...

[stark quiver]

yea youll need a good amount of adjustments

[sharp socket]

expected

[spring bolt]

just use the calculator...

[forest palm]

August is annoying to sync, but uneven oath is quite the wrench

[cobalt rapids]

if u give me ur planes and content ill give u a homework to copyh

[spring bolt]

oh yeah, another thing is when you need to sync carriers with bbs, doing the calculation with that buff is helpful
but i guess sea cat is right, most calc has it built in so you don't need to worry about that

[sharp socket]

i made this that looked like itll work

[cobalt rapids]

looks good for 4 strike against heavy

[forest palm]

goofy random Gold Corsair

[sharp socket]

pirate squad is the only thing fast enough to keep up with 200aff shinano and cvmagi being speed

[forest palm]

mhm

[stark quiver]

for any cv comp, without any regards to buffers n shit
how close do i want each cv to fire

[cobalt rapids]

within 0.2s of each other with the freezer in between is enough for 4 strikes
tighter sync for longer battles like CM

[glass basin]

can always use a breguet

[cobalt rapids]

vit2 is also slower so pref the slowest cv isnt on vit2s

[sharp socket]

baguette is german?

[forest palm]

french

[glass basin]

swap gold corsair for bf109

[forest palm]

there's also the A6 it all depends on what you want to do with the fleet

[sharp socket]

i want an anti med/heavy and anti light

[forest palm]

all in one package, or?

[sharp socket]

i dont need general for avp so its fine

[glass basin]

well bf109 is great vs light/med
but ofc you need one of bf109 and junker

so just tune speed depending on your needs

[sharp socket]

this is my anti light

[forest palm]

you can try the A-6 for Heavy

[sharp socket]

a6 looks more cursed

[forest palm]

did you play with the Mod VIT?

[sharp socket]

i dont have it

[forest palm]

fair enough

[sharp socket]

im doing pr5

[spring bolt]

avp timing is a little more demanding than hakh and implac as her time stop is a little shorter
for 4 turns, first cv to avp needs to be shorter than 0.15s
if first cv to avp is longer than 0.125s, avp to last cv needs to be shorter than 0.18s
if first cv to avp is shorter than 0.125s, avp to last cv needs to be shorter than 0.3s
plus any 2 cvs needs to have greater gap than 0.03s incase of frame drop

this one seems good tho, just don't forget % rld buffs from indep and cat if opsi

[sharp socket]

[forest palm]

[eager mulch]

[storm heron]

[rancid mural]

Where to get this

[wind hazel]

research

[forest palm]

I'd thought they'd be in the French box, but they're not

[ancient socket]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/550mm_Twin_Torpedo_Mount

"Additional info
Obtained from
Stock equipment on Le Temeraire & La Galissonnière." Nevermind, that's not the one

But yeah, in the future you can just use the wiki for that

[eager mulch]

why look at the wiki when I can come to alo gph and have someone look at the wiki for me

[ancient socket]

Oh no

[forest palm]

just memorize everything ever

[eager mulch]

I’ve just stopped playing the game

gn cooper, sweet dreams

[rancid mural]

Oh thanks ill bookmark that wiki

[wind hazel]

this is the wrong torpedo btw

[forest palm]

right torpedo mount wrong rarity

[eager mulch]

luckily the wiki has both rarities

[jaunty vault]

on same page too

[wind hazel]

it's still wrong

[ancient socket]

Ah yeah I couldn't be bothered switching the tab, sorry!

[forest palm]

the fun one is the 305

[sweet delta]

why do you want to craft this
if it's for Anchorage, just use the blue twin 550 itself

[rancid mural]

I don't have the blue

I wanted to know where the blue drops

[forest palm]

Sushi being slow on the uptake

[vale spindle]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/550mm_Twin_Torpedo_Mount#Type_3-0

[rancid mural]

Oh neat

[wind hazel]

🥹 1876313213+ messages after I said research

it's like im shadowbanned or something

[rancid mural]

I didn't know what it meant till that image

I'm dumb dumb

[wind hazel]

that's where you should have asked for clarification

[rancid mural]

Troof

[wind hazel]

don't be afraid to ask for more. ask everything, ask my a/s/l

[rancid mural]

What's your fav dinner

[wind hazel]

akashi

[rancid mural]

[vale spindle]

i updated the link to be more direct
but normally you just look here for location

before research took you to the overall research page, but its now updated to take you directly to the research academy section

[jaunty vault]

good boy

[rain bobcat]

black friday is 2 in 2 weeks right

[vale spindle]

tis the friday after thanksgiving thursday which is 3 weeks i believe

[ancient socket]

Last one was 11/18 I think, so yeah
11/16, well close enough

[timid solar]

is this worth making?

[wind hazel]

no

[ancient socket]

Purple Helldiver works just as fine, this is a bit better but might not be worth the materials.

[timid solar]

got it, thanks

[soft raft]

It's only better than helldiver if you can +13 it

[storm heron]

20 avi

[timid solar]

not worth the plates though?

[wind hazel]

not worth

[ancient socket]

I would use the plates on a Tenrai instead.

[wind hazel]

save the plates for skyraider/tenrai

[sweet delta]

Heal should always clear venom. But rarely, Perseus could clear venom before the venom mist disappears, so any ships that move far enough (usually the main tank) will regain venom. Venom mist lasts for 2.0s so it is indeed quite close to Perseus heal. This should become less likely later in the battle because Perseus should lag more than boss does

So it's probably not a bug

[spring bolt]

so lagging is bad but no lag at all is also bad
great

or in other words, we are relying on a bug to more properly deal with a game feature

[sweet delta]

and further testing reveals that perseus cannot heal an offtank anshan and sandwich aurora enough

[frank pulsar]

how tight must unicorn 20s timing be for scorpio

[storm heron]

how is this bug not revealed last year

[sweet delta]

because unicorn kinda ignores it, and nobody wrote a guide recommending perseus

[spring bolt]

i did 19.94, seems fine

[sweet delta]

19.92s is good for a 5-7 minute battle, and i didnt try longer but may need 19.95 for 10 minutes

19.94 to 19.96

[frank pulsar]

why faster than 20s?

is it to account for lag or smth

[sweet delta]

https://suchiguma.github.io/ChallengeMode/November#high_cv this paragraph isn't about unicorn but same logic applies

[spring bolt]

if slower 19.97, the combat starting time will delay the heal and boss barrage will hit vanguard first before heal iirc

this time you can not ignore bisha's 1.288% rld buff

[frank pulsar]

ill just avoid cv cats then, ty

[spring bolt]

if your goal is just to beat the boss, this one is easy enough so have fun

[frank pulsar]

im trying to 🧑‍🍳 a higher score than my last attempt

[barren tapir]

i did 19:96 it worked gud

[barren tapir]

to add even 19.96 can be a bit of a gamble for the first 2 poisons, if vg is close to elbing theyll get hit before uni gets her planes off

but it works fine if vg is center or far away from elbing, and 19.96 ensures sync for the entire 10mins

[frank pulsar]

does cv clear faster than bb for scorpio

nvm that was a dumb question

[jovial cedar]

So I came back after 2 years again to see for the 2nd time that still no new skins for my favorite girl graf zeppelin. Do they hate her or something?

[frank pulsar]

dunno, but here isnt the place to ask about new skins

[barren tapir]

1. not really a gph thing
2. there's over 700 ships and some artists arent active anymore etc etc, it's inevitable and unfortunate but some ships will get neglected as a result

[late flame]

come back again when skins actually has a gameplay effect

[barren tapir]

3. there's numerous ships without any skin, least graf has 1

[storm heron]

what do I do with the subs for CM?

[stark quiver]

use them?

[storm heron]

no particular thing then, ok

[barren tapir]

would tempesta subs be good since the boss is light

[jovial cedar]

Is there anything major that came out in the past 2 years I should know about gameplay wise?

[sweet delta]

is the answer you're looking for "triple level 125 tempesta with full +13 12-pounders"?

[barren tapir]

oh well that answers that, thanks kek

[stark quiver]

lets not go that way sushi

[late flame]

lol

[storm heron]

Huh? Isn't tempesta like 🚮

[stark quiver]

the normal player mostly uses fishpack

[barren tapir]

light armor and boss doesnt have super high vg pressure beyond its gimmick which has 40s gap in between, i figure they can be used (+ amity dmg debuff)

[sweet delta]

hard to say but just do everything diligently, including Operation Siren (you can skip the Project TB and Private Quarters things though)

[barren tapir]

ofc, regular subs should do fine too

[jovial cedar]

Thank you

[stark quiver]

a lot more good ships, dw they'll rerun

[keen mural]

Is there something better than the blue 76 gun on shimakaze?

[frank pulsar]

how much cv rld did you use in yr high end cv example

[viscid swift]

yes

[ancient socket]

In addition to what everyone else said, there will be a Musashi rerun soon. I think that counts as important.

[barren tapir]

also to love ru collab at the end of november

[sweet delta]

single 113mm from royal navy gear lab just +10 is enough, probably don't waste gold plates on +13

[viscid swift]

you also missed 2 years worth of URs and associated gear which is to day a lot of meta defining ships

[jovial cedar]

Thank you everyone. I wasn't able to retrieve my account before the Halloween event ended but I want to get back into the game again

[viscid swift]

also some collabs and collab reruns that probably won't return

[jovial cedar]

Yeah I quit around the first couple ur

[frank pulsar]

does +10 100mm kai or +13 tash gun have higher dmg
i got my answer, its 100mm kai

[viscid swift]

These pretty much

[jovial cedar]

Dang

Any of these still good now?

[viscid swift]

some still very relevant, others less so

[ancient socket]

Yes, Shinano, San Diego, etc.

[frank pulsar]

nano, fdg, enty, sandy and agir i guess
the rest are either eh or meh

[late flame]

u47/96/37 still works as wolfpack

[jovial cedar]

Gotcha. Guess I gotta start pulling

[viscid swift]

yeah don't

[ancient socket]

It's better to wait for Musashi rerun next week.

[frank pulsar]

musashi rerun is like next week, save for that
standard banner is balls to pull on btw

[barren tapir]

there's nothing to pull right now lol

[viscid swift]

Musashi's rerun is next week and a To-Love Ru collab drops right after

[barren tapir]

we have musashi -> collab -> new ur in the span of the next couple months

[viscid swift]

and we have a new UR event next month

[sweet delta]

99% of the perma pools are bad or mid

[jovial cedar]

There are some more

[sweet delta]

vs like 96% of event pools

[viscid swift]

at least you have Unicorn retroed

[frank pulsar]

cheshire, jda, unicorn, azuma, illusty and maybe doy are good/used somewhere

[barren tapir]

sirius

[jovial cedar]

Thanks

[barren tapir]

yuudachi still worth investing in?

[viscid swift]

Not really

[frank pulsar]

does afct or a shell contribute more dmg assuming both +13

[sweet delta]

with the bold assumption that timing doesn't matter, afct is better

by quite a large amount

[barren tapir]

is it cos she costs half a UR bulin?

[viscid swift]

She's just outclassed and expensive

[sweet delta]

it's because she's just dps

[barren tapir]

does that still apply if i dont have better ships? my best dds are chang chun, z46, laffey

[viscid swift]

Chang Chun would be a competitive option if retrofitted

And Sandy is there with much more longevity even if she us much more expensive

Also I may as well say it, comparing vanguards by hull type is far less effective than comparing by role

[stark quiver]

cheeky is that new name from wows

[viscid swift]

Related

[storm heron]

is 19.98 good enough for unicorn in CM?

[barren tapir]

well tbf the same applies if i say 'my best dps vanguards'

[frank pulsar]

https://suchiguma.github.io/ChallengeMode/November#high_cv
19.94-19.96

[storm heron]

okay got 19.95 now

[viscid swift]

I rather doubt those are your best

[barren tapir]

shruggers

[storm heron]

smurf detected

[barren tapir]

not really i played ages ago but lost that account

[barren tapir]

addition to these i have monty, guiseppe, hind, and poi unlevelled

[stuck sand]

Is it better to summon musashi if I don’t have her or save for the collab?

[knotty dome]

is anybody else getting a thing where the game kinda freezes up after dossier? sometimes after i kill souryuu META, when i click collect it just doesn't do anything. doesn't happen in any other situation

[ancient socket]

You get tickets for Musashi.

[viscid swift]

If you really want to commit then start working on Sandy

[stuck sand]

So only use tickets and if no musashi then use cubes? I have no UR BBs except ulrich but I’m using my bulins on shinano atm😖

[viscid swift]

If a gun was shoved at my head and I had to choose as a collector I would go to love ru no question

Because Musashi will return in the future, the collab has no such guarantee

[stuck sand]

But I’ve never watched To Love Ru…still musashi then🧐

Fair point. I guess tickets on musashi and cubes on collab

[ancient socket]

I don't know if the other experts here will agree but I usually recommend 3 pulls a day, and if you don't get her, then use everything (cubes too) last day.

[storm heron]

you don't even need musashi

[stuck sand]

I mean that sounds like a not so bad idea. I think I have like 150 cubes atm anyway.

[stuck sand]

Fair but she’d help my box significantly as someone who has a total of like 5 URs and only 2 of which are mlb (shinano soon too)

I lied it’s 4 URs

[viscid swift]

I can only give my opinion identify your priorities and act accordingly

[ancient socket]

On a meta perspective however, Musashi likely to be superior to the collab ships. In the end though, I don't disagree. I would save for collab ships as they might never come back.

[stuck sand]

Hmm. I’ll see how the tickets treat me then make a decision. Thank you for the replies at least hehe

I usually go for waifu in this game anyway.

[storm heron]

what if my unicorn does not heal enough? I see that my vanguards take a lot of damage

although I have 19.95 unicorn

[viscid swift]

Do they actually die before the battle finishes

[storm heron]

no they won the medium one

[viscid swift]

Then there is nothing to be concerned about

[storm heron]

Are they supposed to die if poisoned? oh ok then no concern

[sweet delta]

Solution: for the ultra lazy people who don't want to time unicorn, use unicorn and Perseus together. 9:49 with no subs, half tech, one cat without flame, no hvarcat/skyraider

[storm heron]

haha 9:49 tho

I suspected that sushi is actually stig

[stark quiver]

you didnt know?

[storm heron]

like the w15 tierlist, owner was stig

[frank pulsar]

suchi, sushi and stigma are all the same person

[storm heron]

but how's someone else giving suchi all the credits instead and I'm like what

the more I know tm

Solution for people with low tech, drake and every, no subs, no hvarcat/skyraider, 4:45

What's the record again oh nvm it's like half the time

[tender lotus]

Oathed vangy?

[storm heron]

No oaths

[whole crypt]

but sushi is musashi

[stark quiver]

how much tech for bb

[storm heron]

41 fp?

only 15 rld and 25 hit though

[tender lotus]

Is the ascension box required to beat cm hard easier?

[storm heron]

Nah, easy cm bar should be low even without aurora

it's half the time of hard

but ascension box should increase the flagship damage if they require spread reduction

[tender lotus]

I haven't built my vangy she's only 70s no lb

Idk if i should build her just for cm or other content

[stark quiver]

shes good not only for cm

[storm heron]

if you think vangy is only good for cm, then you must have something else that can substitute

like bz or soyuz

[stark quiver]

bz doesnt rly substitute vanny tho

[tender lotus]

Huh? Yeah i have bz & Soyuz
But I don't have musashi

[stark quiver]

thats fine you can prolly get her next week or so

[sweet delta]

yeah bz is an upgrade not a substitute for vang

[tender lotus]

What fleet comp for vangy then if i would use her on OPs?

[storm heron]

isn't bz damage contribution should be more than vang? In a 3 bb comp the best is alsace soyuz bz, if replacing bz with vanny results in a lower or equal damage, then in a 2 bb where vang is weaker bz will win

[frank pulsar]

vang shld have higher contribution since ply, an shan and zwei are being buffed

[stark quiver]

you dont replace vanny with bz or replace bz with vanny, they do 2 different things, vanny is support and bis2 is your main dps

[kind needle]

is it fine to spam 13-4 safe with air parity status? (2 cvs, haku and nano)

[tender lotus]

Bz is the main dps? I thought her role just to put enemies inside her black hole

[storm heron]

I mean you can try if you feel your fleet is high enough for the bar

[stark quiver]

she does both
her dps is the main dish tho

[atomic abyss]

BZ has the highest DPS of all BBs

[tender lotus]

Isn't musashi the highest?

[atomic abyss]

You wish

[storm heron]

forgot the armor type?

[sweet delta]

it all depends on the enemy

[atomic abyss]

Alsace can reach higher in shorter battles

[kind needle]

Aight, imma go try

[atomic abyss]

But BZ wins shot for shot iirc

[kind needle]

haku and nano are around 115 alr so...

[tender lotus]

Ah armor type yeah i forget

[storm heron]

yeah you kinda have to feel the bar, just like what I did with lb1 NJ

[atomic abyss]

I would strongly not recommend it, although possible to clear
Cos it means your entire fleet in general would need to be stronger

[kind needle]

is mvp control important in cdc?

[atomic abyss]

No

[stark quiver]

dont bother

[whole crypt]

it's not worth the effort

[kind needle]

aight

[atomic abyss]

In today's era, not worth the effort

[whole crypt]

you'll max cdc before you're done leveling

[storm heron]

depends, imo it's very niche since you have to make sure you survive first

[shell willow]

is there an upper cap on evasion rate?

[storm heron]

and also cdc is very short to the point where you finish cdc before tech grinding

[whole crypt]

anyway if you want air parity 13 you're going to want very good DPS and AA

[kind needle]

idk if Laffii can be an AA carry like SandyKai

[storm heron]

/eAA

[atomic abyss]

You can't go above 90%

[tender lotus]

Look daily reset imma go thx for the help
I'll build my vang

[atomic abyss]

On the reverse, you can't go below 10%

[atomic abyss]

She absolutely can
Just not as ridiculously well

[shell willow]

ic

[whole crypt]

accuracy floors at 10%, evasion doesn't cap at 90 technically
100% evasion rate is a thing on some skills

[atomic abyss]

I mean those technically just ignore the evasion check entirely no?

[kind needle]

which tanks should I bring in 14-1 to 14-4?

[atomic abyss]

On mob or boss

[kind needle]

both.

[storm heron]

you can't bring one to both

[atomic abyss]

I mean it depends on what you have

The usual culprits are ofc stuff like ancho and Agir

[kind needle]

I mean ancho, agir are my main options

so, am I good?

[atomic abyss]

For w14
AA isn't your primary concern

[whole crypt]

if they're not enough your problem isn't with the tanks

[storm heron]

depends on your other 10 ships

[atomic abyss]

You'll want to be cautious of suicide boats and BB fires

You'll also want to be cautious of subs on 14-3/4

[kind needle]

my sub ain't good and leveled up.
These are my temporary subs as of now: LdV, Archerfish and Flasher

[whole crypt]

anyway you were mentioning cdc earlier, you might want to focus on one thing at a time unless the good ships you'll bring to 14 are the right faction/slot

[kind needle]

I'm still getting albacore tho

idk if the three subs with g7e's and torp auxes will survive

[atomic abyss]

You misunderstood
Cautious of enemy subs

[kind needle]

ik, so Laffii would bring hedgehog?

[atomic abyss]

So your ASW aka anti sub needs to be accounted for

Yes

It means you'll use her on mob

[stark quiver]

gold g7e gud enough, run pressure hull and snorkel on all

[atomic abyss]

You could even use her on mob as your main tank, depending on your backline

[kind needle]

I have no probs with backline, the problem are vanguards and subs ig

[hollow gust]

Will rather just Laffey 2 main tank mob and dump anchor and agir into boss

Also backline issues cause frontline issues

[atomic abyss]

You don't need subs

[kind needle]

would ancho, ply, agir work in boss?

[whole crypt]

if your subs sink it's not because of G7e/Bidder

[atomic abyss]

It would
But again, backline is more critical

[storm heron]

also kinda crazy though, I never sink because of annihilation, only because flagship sunk in w14

[atomic abyss]

Ships is one thing, gear is another more important thing to consider

[marsh bison]

Hey guys

[storm heron]

you do use healer like unicorn right?

[marsh bison]

How many stages is available to do 3 stars for gems

Is it expanding as we clears stages?

[atomic abyss]

You get 250 for every new world that opens

So it's 15*250

[hollow gust]

15 x 4

[kind needle]

what site y'all use to fleet build?

[marsh bison]

Like each stage I beat and it will make a side quests for me to do 3 stars for gems

[hollow gust]

The new site now , ditched Renhex

[storm heron]

discord alo / thread

[marsh bison]

How many side quest of that type tho

[atomic abyss]

You get 15*250

[stark quiver]

15 campaign stages with 250 gems each stage total

[atomic abyss]

50 for x-1/2/3 and 100 for x-4

[atomic abyss]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/

[whole crypt]

what's wrong with sea cat

[hollow gust]

That new site is better in every way

[whole crypt]

oh lars put something together?

[marsh bison]

So basically I can grind 3 stars all stages for gems

[atomic abyss]

You can

[sharp socket]

sea cat site's benefit is to compress more fleets together into one ss

[hollow gust]

If it updates consistently then it would be awesome

[marsh bison]

Damn I love manjuu

[whole crypt]

it has a tutorial

[stark quiver]

it gets exponentially harder

[atomic abyss]

But ofc good luck getting past 13

[hollow gust]

Doesn't mean you should spend those gems on skins

[sweet delta]

updating faster than ectl

[marsh bison]

Will spend on Enty swimsuit…

[sharp socket]

however lars site other than having calculations also has ship icons for all the skins

[marsh bison]

Anyways I am off to grind gems bye bye

[hollow gust]

Sounds extremely dumb, all you are doing is fucking up your progress

[storm heron]

[marsh bison]

Why tho

[hollow gust]

Cause gems are limited? And you are gonna need them later on

[storm heron]

cuz enty is not that hotcuz you need those gems to make more dock space

[marsh bison]

Ok

[hollow gust]

It gets virtually impossible to play AL if you don't spend on dock slots and even dorm

[marsh bison]

So uhhh right now I could grind 550 gems

[whole crypt]

if you don't plan to buy gems generally we only recommend F2P gems to be spent on QoL stuff

[marsh bison]

I will buy enty ss later

[whole crypt]

you can buy skins if you really want to but know it'll affect your gameplay

[storm heron]

there might be probably no later..

[marsh bison]

Ok

[sharp socket]

buy skins with money not f2p gems

[hollow gust]

Paid Skins are for spenders

[sweet delta]

updated CM guide to demote Perseus a bit and add RNG warnings

[barren tapir]

still too small to collect (and keep) every ship until you play quite a long time

[stark quiver]

is the french example a meme or actually a viable example

[sweet delta]

viable with higher requirements

[marsh bison]

Ig I will spend on docks and stuff

The stages will give me more gems later on so I can buy skins

[whole crypt]

total number of free gems you get is pretty much fixed and chapter additions are slow

[storm heron]

there might be probably no later...

esp since total number of free gems you get is pretty much fixed and chapter additions are slow

[atomic abyss]

Putting aside we haven't gotten a new chapter in a year

[rare wyvern]

What does the Damage Modifier level do for weapons at level 11/12/13 ? I see planes get flat damage increase and auxiliaries get stats.

[whole crypt]

there's still Chinese New Year and anniversary for handouts but you'll need more if you buy skins at all

[atomic abyss]

That assumes you can even clear the latest content

[sharp socket]

if you have specific goals in mind (or dont care about collection) you can get away with spending f2p gems on skins, just that its not a recommended thing to do

[whole crypt]

weapons besides planes get an increase in a coefficient stat that you don't see which adds 4%/6%/8% damage respectively

planes gain the same % in damage directly as they don't have a coeff

[stark quiver]

how much of the AL playerbase has actually beat w15

[storm heron]

you can theoretically get infinite skins on infinite rerolled account

[rare wyvern]

Thank

[storm heron]

idk but if only there is an achievement with % people completed it

[whole crypt]

anyone that has 100% collection has cleared 15-4

[wind hazel]

wasn't there a stream stat about average players only reached w8 or something

[whole crypt]

good luck figuring that out

[atomic abyss]

I think there was a stat like that

[sharp socket]

actually if you just skip non UR events your dock space used is very little

[whole crypt]

well JP and CN anniversaries had those stats things and latest chapter clears are usually like in the 10 or 20%s

[barren tapir]

if you only ever keep meta defining ships and a small stock of personal waifus you can get away without spending any gems on dock but...really not recommended because you're fucked if you ever change your mind

[tender lotus]

I forgot to ask
What to replace them?

[spring bolt]

58715 is the number at this CN anni, but only for CN

[atomic abyss]

Or if they buff something with say an augment or retro

[stark quiver]

how big even is the AL playbase
and using this id assume the numbers are around a bit less in en

[barren tapir]

tbf, even with that you have enough space, 100 meta ships, 20 waifus, 20 bulins, 40 spares for farming (180 dock with maxed guild)

it's certainly not gonna be fun but it would be doable if you insisted

i dont think there'll be more than 100 top tier ships at any given time...

[whole crypt]

I'm not sure if they've mentioned DAU/WAU/MAU statistics recently

[barren tapir]

i must reiterate though i extremely highly do not recommend it because if you ever change your mind you cannot fix this without spending money for dock slots

[whole crypt]

keep in mind it's basically +5 ships creep every year if you do all research ships
also this means you have to not level tech at all or cycle it on extremely limited space
not to mention grinding is shit because you'll get held up by full dock very often

[sharp socket]

well 180 dockspace is quite little to work with, but like 300 is quite sufficient

[stark quiver]

even woth 300 its on the pretty low side

[barren tapir]

++ if you keep collabs because those (almost never) dont come back, it becomes significantly harder to do that

really the smart thing to do is play the super-long-game, work your way through free handouts and lucky comms to an eventual big enough dock, and then get like 1 skin a year

[sharp socket]

i have ~90 free space with 300 dockspace and its pretty comfy, ill get to do w15 in about 2-3 months so you dont need a heck of alot of dockspace to do hard content

[wind hazel]

let them suffer

[stark quiver]

how abt keeping ships that have tech? and bulins/dupes, and actual ships

[whole crypt]

[rapid grail]

option is to endlessly farm 2-1/2-4 + c1 opsi and pray on gem comms

[storm heron]

I have ~90 free with 580 dockspace, 75% collection

[barren tapir]

it just comes down to your goals and needs, some ppl play casually and wont care too much about tech, they could more easily get away with a smaller dock i guess

[sharp socket]

those currently take up 200 slots, and i have about 20+ ships to tech farm with

and like about 10-15 120'ed tech ships

[storm heron]

can't you retire 120s like long island?

[barren tapir]

on the flip side, skins for f2p gems is just not a good deal...one skin for one ship you might not even like forever, in exchange for 40+ dock slots (40 waifus!!) gone forever

[barren tapir]

i mean you CAN but i think doing that would physically hurt me

[spring bolt]

inaccurate rough estimate based on popularity poll is CN has 1m active players, JP 180k, EN 160k
if you look at registered accounts, CN has roughly 25m to 30m, JP EN unknown

[whole crypt]

that was never actually in fashion unless you're a CN botter

[stark quiver]

oh what lol, didnt know numbers were that off

[whole crypt]

you can retire anything you want besides research ships and META, though the latter doesn't take space

[sharp socket]

i have a solid 6 waifus in my 8 months of play and i dont care about collection at all so it works out for me to spend f2p gems on skins but i digress

[storm heron]

done, now I have 200 buffer space

[plain saffron]

make sense why they never bothered to add new chapters

[spring bolt]

btw players cleared 15-4 data is from CN anni so about 6 months ago, now i have no idea

[whole crypt]

don't expect it to have grown significantly honestly

[whole crypt]

vast majority of the player base is far too casual to bother

[spring bolt]

yeah probably still less than 10% now among active players
back then the 100% collection number is 30470, which means near 50% of lucky cmdrs

[stark quiver]

Waifu gacha game moment

[still nest]

I wish pr ships have separated dock space like meta ships

[whole crypt]

Just buy more dock space™️

[still nest]

[storm heron]

at this point there should be separate dogspace for each factions and hull types

[spring bolt]

some of them are actually useful so they didn't attract so much 🔥 , but at this rate who knows

[plain saffron]

can't wait to spend extra 100 on IJN dock space bcs they're more expensive

[barren tapir]

meta made the most sense tho bc u cant rlly not obtain cruise metas

prs tho, u do choose to obtain those

[still nest]

At this point I'm forced to retire ssr ships

I ran out of ijn ship to burn

[barren tapir]

buy more dock

[still nest]

[mint flint]

you cant unchoose them though, and (assuming you arent part of the community) you dont really know how effective they are until you get them so still

[barren tapir]

yeah...that's why i'd like it if prs got their own dock slots too but its not as bad as metas

[plain saffron]

why their own slots, just add them into current one

we don't need to complicate things more by having 3 dock

[barren tapir]

oh well i just meant separate from the gem dock, they can go with metas that's fine lol

[wind hazel]

just make dockspace free!!

[sharp socket]

devs gonna fix this by adding the ability to scrap research ships

[plain saffron]

but think of the small indie company

[whole crypt]

Just buy more dock space™️

[barren tapir]

dockspace free but everything else now costs twice as much gems

[wind hazel]

im gonna write a feedback that buying skin should reward you with free 20 dock space

[barren tapir]

but yeah tbh if you dont buy dock with gems then that's on you

[spring bolt]

the point is, they are pumping out meta ships way faster than pr, and they are basically all useless

[barren tapir]

and manjuu is at least trying to keep the earlier prs decent with augments coming out

cruise metas will probably remain useless for the rest of the game's life

[stark quiver]

Be happy the games f2p still

[barren tapir]

oh, i am

[spring bolt]

im too deep into this, i even started to buy cattery space

[whole crypt]

some cruise METAs are great tech fodder

can't remember why I did it but I bought cattery space too

[stark quiver]

Same

[dusk maple]

with gems?

[whole crypt]

was there free options?

[dusk maple]

no, i just wrongly remembered an expansion from guild.

[stark quiver]

I’ve done a lot of stupid stuff so

[whole crypt]

can't be worse than buying a couple boatloads of gems trying to build spee

[storm heron]

Question is if devs are gonna make dock space free

[mint flint]

free to pay

[still nest]

Does tech points retains even I burned the ship?

For example I retired le malin mlb

[wind hazel]

yes they retain

[still nest]

Alrigt

Good bye SSRs

[mint flint]

if/when you intend to get them to 120 for tech you'll still want them though

[barren tapir]

but why?

[still nest]

Oh yeah how about that ? Did they retain too? I'm planning to retire level 125 ships

[mint flint]

????

[still nest]

Dock space

[mint flint]

why would you retire level 125 ships

[gilded carbon]

Are all of them that Bad?

[plain saffron]

yes

don't 125 them in the first place, 125 ship you gonna use, not tech shitters

[gilded carbon]

I read that Kasumi Meta is kinda useable? As Torp-support

[still nest]

Yeah including enterprise, taihou etc..

[sweet delta]

Fortune META was meta in #pvp , kasumi META is ok for stetpedding, and the rest are tech only

[barren tapir]

none of them are any you'd consider for high end content, but a couple are usable i guess??

kasumi meta has fat torp which is very helpful for stat padding yea

[plain saffron]

gold good purple bad with some exceptions, and of course they can't compete with URs

[gilded carbon]

What about Arizona Meta? Gold, i know

[plain saffron]

iirc more to bad side of the golds

[gilded carbon]

Assuming her skillmight be good on that ramship-world

[sweet delta]

she has been used by the highest EX scores

[barren tapir]

in the future don't 125 a ship you intend to retire lol

[still nest]

Nah I'm calm now, I won't burn my lovable level 125 ships

All elites are safe to burn no? Without retrofits

[barren tapir]

off the top of my head you'd want to keep aurora (heh) rlly good anti-dd/cl support

[storm heron]

aurora mlb

[sweet delta]

2️⃣ could be good if you missed every new rainbow released in the past year

[whole crypt]

Junyou and Hiyou META are great tech fodder

[ancient socket]

Particularly good for W15.

[sweet delta]

Mid

[frank pulsar]

nah, she explodes too often (i speak from experience)

is yours 125 with oath or smth
she has like 40-50% survival rate with double toolkit and lv125 for me while sandwiched in 15-4

[whole crypt]

she can be both, it depends on how you set up your comp and who goes with her

somethingsomething who are the other 5 ships and what damage is getting to her

[ancient socket]

On my lethal experience I will admit that she did struggle, however after that, she was mostly safe to use. It's a 50/50 I'd say, when on lethal. Of course it depends on the whole formation aswell.

Also no I don't have her oathed.

[frank pulsar]

...so we can both agree she explodes too often

[atomic abyss]

There's now a better hamm2 anyways

And it's called Eldridge Kai

[frank pulsar]

would ham2 be more viable if paired with eldridge though

[sharp socket]

i thought hamm2 drops from 15-4

[frank pulsar]

shes from yt2 event

[whole crypt]

that's Houston

[sweet delta]

Help

[sharp socket]

oh hou2 is 15-4 drop

[ancient socket]

Survival concern? Yeah I wouldn't. But then again I never tried Eldridge on W15.

[sweet delta]

That's called redundant, not viable. I'd only consider it if Musashi and no Aquila and no sandy and no Guam and no laffii and no shimanto

[wind hazel]

that's a lot of no

[frank pulsar]

ham2 with sushi and aquila was definitely fine aa wise, the only problem with it was she died too often iirc

[whole crypt]

I don't actually remember what I cleared 15-4 with at this point

[atomic abyss]

Why would you even use double DD

[frank pulsar]

whats wrong with that

[sharp socket]

does w15 have subs

[whole crypt]

I mean I might consider Eldrdige + Hammann if this was 14 but not 15

[sharp socket]

are the subs more pain than w14

[ancient socket]

I remember using Perseus in one fleet and Unicorn in the other, but it was awhile ago and my fleet was nowhere near being optimal. Nowadays I just sit at W14.

[frank pulsar]

definitely

[atomic abyss]

Only cos of level

[whole crypt]

no

[atomic abyss]

I thought this convo was another w15 one

[whole crypt]

it is, i.e. I don't consider that pair useful together for 15

[atomic abyss]

That's my point

[whole crypt]

I did 14-1 for a while but I'm happy back in 12-1 now

[frank pulsar]

smth like guam/ancho/brest/laffii + ham2 + eldridge

[whole crypt]

at least until I'm out of chips again

[frank pulsar]

what is 👶 supposed to mean

[whole crypt]

Hammann II + Eldridge retrofit is pretty shit DPS though

[sharp socket]

is shimanto gun a bad gun for shimanto

[frank pulsar]

low dps from vanguard is fine in w15 isnt it? people used china wall back when it first came out

[storm heron]

just use plygun

[whole crypt]

shimanto gun is basically a meh gun for any CL but pre-FS shimanto can use it for AA cope

[frank pulsar]

if you need the aa just use it

[sharp socket]

time to AA cope i suppose

should i get it from protocore or sit on pr6 for it

[whole crypt]

if you have to spend proto cores for it just forget it

[frank pulsar]

wait for it from pr6 imho

[sharp socket]

hmm and i might get fs for shimanto along the way, alr

[storm heron]

[coarse heron]

Should I change Aquila's Tigercats to Flapjacks for W14/15 or is the Tigercat good enough

inb4 why did you build Tigercats
I built them in 2020 when the Gear Lab launched.

[atomic abyss]

It's fine

[whole crypt]

14 is fine
15 depends

[frank pulsar]

tigercat is fine, and i made plenty even when flapjack was released its not that bad

[whole crypt]

Aquila's fighter slot alone likely won't be the difference that flips a run

[storm heron]

I found that backline pressure in w15 is immense

[whole crypt]

if it is you'll have more luck fixing the comp than the fighter slot

[ancient socket]

I keep using my Tigercats nowadays. If you want to replace them then I don't see why not. It's not going to make a huge difference but...

[coarse heron]

I'm on 15-2 right now and I found the backline pressure is only really on the boss node
guess that changes on 15-3

[whole crypt]

the problem isn't one fighter slot of Tigercat vs Flapjack

supercarrier nodes, CV boss, subs

[storm heron]

tbf I don't have musashi, maybe that's why

[frank pulsar]

15-2 and 15-1 is the tutorial, 15-4 and 15-3 is where it gets difficult

[coarse heron]

1? I have her in 2nd healer config so it's 2

[frank pulsar]

try using nj or vanny

[storm heron]

if I do not manual I literaly either die to planes or shelling

[whole crypt]

musashi helps but not having her doesn't mean you can't beat 15

[coarse heron]

yeah I'm using FdG for mob fleet W15 right now and it's working out pretty okay for now

not like I have any other UR BBs to use lmao, I'm already using NJ for boss

[frank pulsar]

nj is better than fdg in w15

[coarse heron]

well my option 3 is UvH so like

[spare mango]

Is cm hard without vanny possible?

[frank pulsar]

easily

[atomic abyss]

Just wait for Musashi in like literally a week

[whole crypt]

just do more damage

[atomic abyss]

Musashi is the best w15 mobber after all

[coarse heron]

yeah it'll be truly stonks once I get her

[storm heron]

• 2 weeks of skills

[atomic abyss]

NJ is fine on boss

[spare mango]

But i don't have musashi
Should i just wait for her?
Or replace vanny with alsace/Soyuz better?

[coarse heron]

I just toss new URs in the dorm for a month anyway

[rose cosmos]

Now I regret not buying that musashi skin smh, I didn’t think she would get a rerun

[atomic abyss]

Musashi wouldn't necessarily help CM

[whole crypt]

why wouldn't Musashi get a rerun, it's just a matter of when

[atomic abyss]

Not if you lacked the bulins to begin with

[coarse heron]

bro literally every non-collab ship ever made has gotten a rerun why would you think that

[atomic abyss]

CM, so Soyuz

[rose cosmos]

Not this soon no

[wind hazel]

sir, it's been 2 years

[rose cosmos]

I’m fairly new to this hame though

[whole crypt]

to be fair it is a bit early, but not by much

[coarse heron]

soon?

[frank pulsar]

she was due for one, its 2 year rotation for reruns

[coarse heron]

it's been 25 months

[rose cosmos]

When will bismarck get a rerun

[whole crypt]

tell that to operation convergence

[sharp socket]

i have 1100 xpbooks, do i use them on my subs to 120?

[whole crypt]

I personally would just leave the rest of the leveling to sorties if you need to get their affinity up as well

[atomic abyss]

Don't expect it earlier than Jul 2025

[coarse heron]

that reminds me, my U-96 is almost ready to replace 101

[spare mango]

So
BZ uni soyuz plym aurora ognevoy
Is this good?
What abt the timing?

[whole crypt]

the only thing you need to time for scorpio is the healer anyway

[storm heron]

uni 19.94-19.97

[rose cosmos]

Anyway is davinci a good sub?

[ancient socket]

She is good, sure.

[wind hazel]

if you're using ognevoy then remove unicorn

[storm heron]

wait they have og

[whole crypt]

she is*

[wind hazel]

and vice versa

[sharp socket]

guess ill call subs more often for sorties since i do need to farm aff for them

[storm heron]

if u play oggy you have to clear fast though

[coarse heron]

you'll get more commander XP too

[spare mango]

Then what to replace oggy?

[sharp socket]

how many battles is it to 100aff from 50

[wind hazel]

DDG

[frank pulsar]

drop ogneyov and use a ddg or smth in place
i doubt youll be able to kill before she desyncs

[storm heron]

oggy can be replaced with any of ply helena ddg aurora

[whole crypt]

about 800

[sharp socket]

[coarse heron]

0.0625 (0.125 if MVP) per battle.

[wind hazel]

secretary your subs to 90

[coarse heron]

so exactly 800 from 50 to 100 by battles alone

[whole crypt]

affinity gain is apparently not in 1/16 denominations

[coarse heron]

only 160 for 90 to 100