gameplay-help

[coarse heron]

My 1:1 for mob is Ranger and Cassin

[stark quiver]

what do you need more

[grizzled sundial]

Can you go even cheaper for mob fleet

[coarse heron]

Can’t get any lower oil cost unless I use ships that aren’t MLB but then they can’t out level the mob fleets enough

[barren tapir]

im not sure tbh, prolly exp to get more usable ships to a relevant level i guess. right now im doing t5 (full fleet) levelling ships and getting the gun just in case lol

[coarse heron]

Considering the oil limit on T5 there’s no reason to do T6 once you have gun (or if you don’t want it)

[grizzled sundial]

But the event point ?

[coarse heron]

T5 gives more points per oil

[barren tapir]

well i do need to do t6 i think for a couple spare guns, plus it has the good poverty DD gun which i could use a bunch of

[coarse heron]

Which is your limiting factor even more than time

[barren tapir]

t5 is great tho, so many toolkits

[coarse heron]

I could use my W14 fleets and clear T5 in like 2 minutes including load screens
Versus the 10ish minutes for T6 with meme fleets

[grizzled sundial]

But if you do 1 fleet at 16 oil per run , won't it be the same for both T5 and T6 ?

[coarse heron]

No because I’d use a full fleet on T5 to save time as the oil limit is 20

4 extra oil per node is well worth the 25 seconds per node I save

[barren tapir]

1:1 for me is 20 oil so then probably not worth it

[coarse heron]

Cheapest 1:1 fleet that works is Ranger or Hermes and a Mahan

[late flame]

a newer player should not 1:1 anyway since you'll want to raise ships for fleet tech

[coarse heron]

That too

[barren tapir]

i do have ranger up but no mahan levelled. my cheapest vg is probably leander

and the gear i have probably makes them very slow to clear assuming they can

[coarse heron]

Exactly you need a lot of gear to do this, so just don’t worry and use a full fleet

[barren tapir]

[stuck sand]

Is chapayev worth lvling up?

[late flame]

depends on how new you are to the game and whether you want to invest in her augment

[stuck sand]

Did play for about a year then took like 7 months break. I don’t have a lot of URs and I wouldn’t mind investing in her augment if need be

[late flame]

imo she is only worth +1 firepower
i've done some back reading and found that her aug doesnt improve her that much to be worthwhile

[sweet delta]

She's great against DD enemies. But Aurora exists

[stuck sand]

I guess the hot blue haired lady will stay as collection then

[glass basin]

if you like her you should definitely raise and use

enjoyment of the game always take priority over "meta"

aurora might be better vs dd but her survivability is worse

[verbal thistle]

How many "Old Heavy Cannons" should I be aiming for?

[glass basin]

imo just one or two is enough in case you want to use IXs in the future
because right now they're in a pretty awkward spot
you can buy one from shop so just farming one more is good

but just keep it as a byproduct of pt farming

[verbal thistle]

Okay, guess I'll switch to T5 now. I think I overfarmed.

Thank you.

[sharp socket]

amity drops from T5?

[glass basin]

no t6 only

[sharp socket]

then why farm T5

[stark quiver]

do you know what drops in t5?

[keen sable]

So ganj has a gun?

[sharp socket]

i didnt read all the map drops

[glass basin]

you can farm in T5 a bit for the IX-Mainfleet gun, but otherwise it's cheaper oil cost

[weary gust]

"Farm in T5 a bit"
If "a bit" means upwards of 20k oil for 15bp drops.

[glass basin]

for a 2 week event it's really not that much farming
I've cleared T6 75 times sitting at 13/15 bps

[barren tapir]

dunno why ppl r so worked up over the drop rate, it's pretty consistent with all gold bp drops is it not?

[stark quiver]

its kinda just farm until you get it, i dont care abt drop rate

[late flame]

i am more worked up by the fact that RF still does not have aug

[glass basin]

make IXs great when

[barren tapir]

also t5 is the best points per oil so youd wanna farm there anyway bp or no

[glass basin]

I may not be using the gear, but I can’t do without it. omegalul

[glass basin]

agreed lol t5 is so much better for points after getting amity

[ornate narwhal]

Is this good enough to clear t6?

[glass basin]

boss or mob

[weary gust]

Not to one fleet it.

[ornate narwhal]

Kk I only have 1 fleet

[glass basin]

rip

[hollow gust]

That's gonna very easily one fleet it wdym??

[glass basin]

concerned about front line tankiness, but might as well try and find out

[fresh briar]

What is all the tankiest in azur lane

I mean tanky ship for 10 to end game

[soft raft]

Kinda varies a fair bit
Agir and Brest are some of the more common picks for tank
Anchorage is also good

[sweet delta]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HF6_hLEB8m_v0stp4DLGnIoDjgojvo7fjYz-cysjTMc/edit?gid=1013080823#gid=1013080823

[glass basin]

agir, brest, anchorage, napoli, azuma,

and ofc the ning or ping + yat sen

[sharp pine]

Is this a good fleet for the Qeta fight?

[stark quiver]

no
you have 2 slowers, kick ark out for haku or amagi cv

[sharp pine]

And how would I deal with Qeta's phantoms without Ark meta? Her barrage nukes them instantly.

[stark quiver]

oh thats meta
it could work then, i wont tank with helena tho

[sharp pine]

Would Unzen be a good tank for this. I was thinking to bring torps for as much damage as I can get.

[sweet delta]

do you have wichita meta, helena meta, or pamiat meta 120+?

[sharp pine]

Since she's heavy armor.

[sweet delta]

manual?

[sharp pine]

No wichita, helmeta lvl 125, pamiat meta lvl 1.

Manual, yes.

[sweet delta]

if manual then you can change laffii to Unzen

but if you can't oneshot with manual then might as well stick to auto two-shot with 3 BBs, ply/unzen, helena meta, someone

[sharp pine]

Thanks

[glass basin]

@sharp pine could use a cv support such as kazagumo, sirius or yuugure

[opaque gate]

what gear is prototype gear upgrade good?

helldiver good?

oh nvm i thought it improves rarity

[soft raft]

/plus13

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/+13_Priority.jpeg

[opaque galleon]

Are you supposed to put round shot on all the tempesta subs or does just 1 per fleet increase ammo for the fleet?

[sweet delta]

both are correct

it has good stats even if only 1 ammo works

[sharp token]

thoughts about new tempesta ships, anything useful?

[late flame]

nothing useful

[sweet delta]

Fancy may be another CB-like

[plain saffron]

[opaque galleon]

If I only have 1 on one of my subs, does that mean only that one gets extra ammo?

[sweet delta]

subs don't have individual ammo

the fleet gets +1 and that's it

[opaque galleon]

Does the same fleetwide effect apply to vanguard/main?

[plain saffron]

subs are separate fleet, usually it won't affect surface fleet unless stated otherwise

[opaque galleon]

Sorry I meant that if only one boat in the normal surface fleet has round shot, does the ammo count go up to 6 for the whole fleet?

[glass basin]

I may not have any use of them but I can't not have them

[plain saffron]

well ammo are per fleet so yes

[stuck sand]

Should I be running independence or Saratoga on my mob fleet with unicorn? I only have enterprise, independence, unicorn and Saratoga and Yumi as my good lvled up cvs atm

[plain saffron]

unless you somehow can somehow split the fleet into 2 in map

[opaque galleon]

So the wording is just terrible then

[plain saffron]

prob because it was designed for IXS only at that time

each sub have their own AMO value
sub fleet total ammo is sum of all 3 subs

iirc

[glass basin]

honestly both are good
saratoga great for staggered damage
independence for cross fleet support, cd reduction so more heals from unicorn

[plain saffron]

wait is it

[soft raft]

Would run Independence retro

[stuck sand]

Hmm, in that case wouldn’t it be better to run independence on boss fleet with enty so she can spam her skill more?

[soft raft]

That CD reduction isn't really that big of a deal

It's namely Indep's faster loading speed that lets her naturally stagger her and Unicorn's airstrikes

[stuck sand]

That’s what I’ve been doing but I know Saratoga is worth putting in somewhere

[soft raft]

I've mostly treated Saratoga as a Enterprise at home tbh

Yes she's not too bad on mob, but when you have the big E herself, there's really no reason to use jer

[stuck sand]

Ahh fair enough

[glass basin]

she can still support boss fleet from mob fleet (cross fleet support skill)
but she cannot sync well in boss fight due to reduced rld on first airstrike

[stuck sand]

Oohh I see what you’re saying okay so keep indep on mob fleet then. Would Yumi be good over Saratoga until shinano is fully mlb then?

[hushed dawn]

What event stage is worth farming for the current Tempesta event? Any gear worth farming?

[glass basin]

on mob fleet she is good for reducing reload and, as Blaster says, her fast initial air strike help with staggered damage and clear faster

staggered damage is also what makes saratoga great in mob fleet (she prefers to have unique augment)

[glass basin]

I think both yumi and saratoga are really decent mob dps, but personally I prefer using saratoga for staggered damage

[stuck sand]

Ah okay okay, I think I’ll keep independence in mob fleet with unicorn and I’ll replace Yumi in boss fleet with Saratoga+enterprise for now sounds like best idea then

Thank you for the answers

[glass basin]

oh mb I meant using saratoga in mob
yumi can be on boss fleet

if yumi is augmented she has an ok slow/rng timefreeze which could be good vs boss

[grizzled sundial]

Is there a way to reset fleet chat ? Curious what other dialogue options will result into .

[fair nimbus]

I just reached commander level 60 a few days ago can someone tell me what operation siren is for?

[stark quiver]

farming gear
most good gear come from there

[soft raft]

grinding gear lab materials to make gear from there
and alot of the best gear in the game is in gear lab

[fair nimbus]

Oh okay

[hollow gust]

can you get huston 2 in the 1st and 2nd bosses?

[stark quiver]

allegedly

[boreal apex]

How much do i use coins for shipyard blueprints?

[hollow gust]

preferablly 10 dr and 10 pr a day

[sweet delta]

it appears that 4 oil T5 does not work

[coarse heron]

I almost did defeat all enemies on 14-4 first try but damn those 3 star main fleets go hard when you’re 0 ammo
Still way easier than 14-3 though like dang

Guess I’ll just take the map to safe?

[bold salmon]

do µ ships counts for faction buffs?

[wraith ingot]

if i had to choose should i use unicorn or saratoga

[stark quiver]

for what

[wraith ingot]

my fleet

[stark quiver]

one fleeting?
use unicorn

[worthy lava]

Anyone having Facebook login today

[wraith ingot]

my second fleet

[stark quiver]

what are your fleets rn

[soft raft]

what content is this for?
either way Unicorn is an absolute must in mob fleet, and having her on the boss fleet is cringe

[hollow gust]

yikes

[stark quiver]

your fleet needs a whole rework

[wraith ingot]

yeahhhh i dont really know what to use on my second f leet

[stark quiver]

i dont think you should use a second fleet
if youre new
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips
follow the fleets here

[wraith ingot]

should i rework my first fleet too?

[stark quiver]

it looks ok
max limit break shiano and put in a actual tank
and you could probably stick to one fleet

[wraith ingot]

got it

[elfin hollow]

So Gunsway's gold cannon is farm only?

[glass basin]

The t5 one? Yes

[elfin hollow]

~~ bad game ~~

[glass basin]

It was in the event shop last time, but for this iteration they didn't include it

[ornate narwhal]

How many parts are in operation siren chapter 4?

[weary gust]

Idk, like 30-40? It's been a long, long time since I've done it. I remember it being a good handful of missions per each part.

[copper ermine]

Is Ganj-i-Sawai a battleship and is she good?

[hollow gust]

kinda and no

[spice phoenix]

anyone worth raising other than avrora?

[grizzled sundial]

backline , not as good as " meta " .

[hollow gust]

avrora is not worth raising, shouldve done any of the SRs and they will be a better choice

[spice phoenix]

oh i thought cuz of her skill she would be but i guess not

[hollow gust]

Ogneyvoy, Tash, Atillio etc

Avrora is meme

[ornate narwhal]

Wait what…chapter 3 had 6 parts

[glass basin]

Zara is a decent tank when you don't have better options

[spice phoenix]

i literally have Ägir, Ancho, and Guam

[hollow gust]

there is no reason to use zara when stuff like portland are so readily avaliable

[glass basin]

Well then there's not much point raising her

[hollow gust]

There is like never a point to raise her

[soft raft]

What
Get rid of that

[spice phoenix]

CDC for napoli (my one and only reason)

[hollow gust]

get your plymouth

[stark quiver]

wrong server?

[umbral wadi]

Hey I’m pretty new, I want to know how to get retrofit materials so I can enhance my character

[undone plover]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/common_resource#retrofit_bps
mainly hard mode
x-1 for DD retrofit mats
x-2 for Cruiser
x-3 for BB
x-4 for CV

[umbral wadi]

Thank you!!

Hey quick question, if I grind out the event should I try and get amity or Mary Celeste

Or spend store stuff on the other stuff?

[keen sable]

There's a priority in the pins but ships are pretty high up compared to consumables

[undone plover]

check the pins

[umbral wadi]

Pins??

[undone plover]

the discord pins on top

how much gold do u get from T6 clear? anyone have a screenshot or idea?

[umbral wadi]

Thanks

[wind hazel]

800ish

[tender python]

Is drake still worth grinding for?

[stark quiver]

not rly

[spring bolt]

if you mean that event cat then yes
the ship not really

[stark quiver]

oh forgot abt the cat

[wind hazel]

closer to 850ish not including base rewards

[tacit sail]

You don't get a second Bellamy if you already have one?

[wind hazel]

no, you get coin instead

[queen jackal]

how many tenrai should i make before switching from pr4 focus and what pr should i do

[blissful hamlet]

how many do you have now

I would switch now since tenrai will be available on gear lab soon next year

[glossy wolf]

How good is farming on T6 for exp?

[queen jackal]

0, im coming up on my first

[blissful hamlet]

how many prints you currently have?

[wind hazel]

pretty bad on exp

[glossy wolf]

Which stage is good?

[wind hazel]

unfortunately T6 is the highest

no better than that other than outside event stages

[plain saffron]

T6 comparable to D3?

[sharp token]

im trynna build my w13 fleet, do any of you have fleet examples? so that i can follow it

[stark quiver]

better to post your dock and go from there

[queen jackal]

like 44 or 45

[wind hazel]

idk what D3 usually is

[storm heron]

d3 is 11-1 level

[wind hazel]

idk what 11-1 is

this is exp from med fleet and boss fleet at T6

[storm heron]

D3 gave about 1200 coins per 267 oil

[glossy wolf]

Thanks,how about outside event? I try to leveled my 100+ ships for ch 12-4

[wind hazel]

12-4 is good

[storm heron]

exp should probably be worse

[blissful hamlet]

finish it then move to other PR series

[coarse heron]

T6 is worse than chapter 9 for coins, dunno about XP

looks like it's about 8-4 for XP

[sharp token]

W13 fleet building

[storm heron]

but 8-4 is not oil capped though

[coarse heron]

the oil cap for T6 is a lot higher than 9-1

so it's very inefficient in terms of XP

[storm heron]

base exp T6:
elite fleet is 801
large skelebeast 705
medium skelebeast 639
small skelebeast 576
boss 870

[queen jackal]

which one?

only 1 tenrai? some of the bps are from protocore shop too

[coarse heron]

get 50 BPs from research and 50 from proto shop

you only need 2 Tenrai

[queen jackal]

alright

which pr should i do after?

[sharp socket]

after fdg and pr4, do pr5

for ply, brest, harbin

[plain saffron]

If the oilcap is higher than 9-1 the clearing rewards should be better

Is it because more mob fight

[sharp socket]

though after pr4 you can kind of just do whatever you need or want next

[coarse heron]

oiil cap is same as 10-2

[sharp socket]

if going to do w15, consider brest for tank, shimanto in pr6 for AA

[coarse heron]

with rewards of 8-4
sasuga, manjuu

[storm heron]

[spring bolt]

just do 3 oil t4

[storm heron]

yeah it might be the solution to just 3 oil t4 and get back to 12-4 asap

[coarse heron]

I'm doing 16 oil T6

[sweet delta]

that's the opposite of "soon"

[sharp socket]

you will create more oil than you can spend it at that rate

[storm heron]

depends on whether 3 oil t4 actually yields more points/oil

[sweet delta]

of course it does

[spring bolt]

in reality you simply hit 0 morale fast and need 2 teams, or grind ch 12 in the same time

by the way CN can do 4 oil t5 thanks to 0lb lv100

[sharp socket]

im assuming you just have 7 copies of your 3 oil fleets

[sweet delta]

thanks mao

just rotate between cassin and downes and z20

[sharp socket]

still thats some next level insanity for grinding points that ill question the use of even

[coarse heron]

don't forget Z21

[storm heron]

what ship do I need to do the low cost

[spring bolt]

just do ch 12. there are simply not enough time to do more than 3 fleets

[plain saffron]

Just fight with no morale

[spring bolt]

cassin and downes and z20
for 3 oil fleet, backline is any white cvl < lv33
for 4 oil fleet, ranger

[coarse heron]

if you want to 16 oil T6 like me because you're exceptionally stupid, MLB Ranger and a Mahan

[plain saffron]

What's the oil cap

[storm heron]

160 and 245 for t5 and t6

[plain saffron]

My fleet is 20 per fight

[coarse heron]

20 on T5, 32 on T6

so if your fleet costs over 20 you should just be full fleeting T5 instead

[storm heron]

that's 150 in total right? since there's the 10 oil entry

[quartz jungle]

Btw why Z20?

[quartz jungle]

Isn't like Shiranui better because of shield aux?

[sweet delta]

high dps with twin 138.6, but that's not always useful because crossfleets

[coarse heron]

that's not available at 0LB

[left cedar]

mine is 19 oil

[plain saffron]

I should change an shan to cheaper one

[tropic tusk]

on T6 event stage does this cost the same oil or 2 units cost less?

[coarse heron]

they cost the same on T5 and T6.

[quartz jungle]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Boundary-Crossing_Permit this thing

[sweet delta]

2 costs less, but 20 oil is quite bad

[plain saffron]

They cost the same on t5 but not on t6

[left cedar]

im using Yamas/Jamaica

[tropic tusk]

wait which one is correct lol

[coarse heron]

using that instead of a second toolbox is... a decision.

[left cedar]

just cuz i dont like DDs, but i know i can do a better option, but not gona happen

[coarse heron]

I made a typo, they cost the same on T5 not on T6

[tropic tusk]

y not on t6?

[coarse heron]

this is how I'm doing T6, btw

[left cedar]

im gona call my fleet of Yamajama

[plain saffron]

Because cap on t6 is 30+
On t5 is 20

[tropic tusk]

do u earn more by using tempesa ship?

[tropic tusk]

oh ok

[plain saffron]

On t5
Left is reduced to 20, right is 20
On t6
Left reduced to 30+ right is still 20

[coarse heron]

@sweet delta scale of 1 to 10, how cursed is it

[storm heron]

[tropic tusk]

i see so right is still the better option

or is there a way i can go even lower?

[coarse heron]

Ranger and Cassin/Downes

16 oil is the lowest MLB you can do

that involves real ships and not bulins

[tropic tusk]

so like this? how much level does she need tho?

[spring bolt]

i personally tried 0lb ranger + ddg in t6, very low backline damage so i think this will work for en as well

[tropic tusk]

or does she need retrofit and max skill level

[sweet delta]

it does, i do 87 oil

[coarse heron]

there's basically 0 backline damage because there's no planes and no suicide boats

[opaque gate]

does prototype gear upgrade part increase rarity of purple gear?

[left cedar]

EN dont have lvl 100 0LB so i dont think gona work

Doubtgummy ?

[sweet delta]

it's used for +11 purple or +13 gold

[opaque gate]

ahh i see

[left cedar]

its used to +13 gold gear and if u are crazy or really really rich +11 purples

[spring bolt]

let me try a lv1 naked backline + ddg

[tropic tusk]

so i have to retrofit her for her to be usable on t6, how about her skill only the tank skill is needed?

or i can just ignore the skill level and just bring the retrofit in

[coarse heron]

Cassin? Yeah only Baptismal Flames is used when doing oil memes

might as well level it, it's a blue skill and those books are free

[sweet delta]

doesnt work, need at least 2x500 HP

[tropic tusk]

ok thx

[hollow gust]

Does D5 even have oil cap

Sweet so yes

[tropic tusk]

or does it

[wind hazel]

[hollow gust]

[forest palm]

[spring bolt]

yeah you're right, but even with 2x500 or toolbox + fe, it's not consistent for lv1
lv70 should be fine

[graceful kelp]

bruh i keep running low on oil 😭

[left cedar]

welcome to tryharders problems

[atomic abyss]

No

[daring basalt]

Is Amity a sub?

[strong tartan]

yes

[left wasp]

https://github.com/Meowrin/al-guides-temporary/blob/master/Equipment Guide.md
Its telling me what gear is good but not where it is

[atomic abyss]

this guide is extremely outdated

[left wasp]

ahh

[atomic abyss]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

this one does tell you where to find stuff

[left wasp]

Thank goodness it does
tho I have no idea what abbreviatons like "ToT D3" mean

[atomic abyss]

it's an event
tower of transcendance

[left wasp]

ohh
so stage 3
anyways at least its either gear lab, stages, or some event drop/shop item
a lot of top-tier stuff is either from gear lab (which means opsi) or research
got an updated guide for opsi too?

[atomic abyss]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/farming#farming_opsi
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Operation Siren

little has changed for opsi

it's more of what you craft in gear lab thats changed

[stark quiver]

Does this mean reroll steel, or continue?

[atomic abyss]

dat is pretty cursed

[stark quiver]

I’d have to agree

[dusk maple]

trash it

[left wasp]

How long does this usually take?

[stark quiver]

It started with alpha and 2 other ss skills, best I got rn, had a 9/10 roll , but foolishly reset for 10/10 and here I am

[atomic abyss]

well it depends on how hard you grind really

[left wasp]

what are the "god rolls" for meowficcers?
and what is a good "stopping point" for their talents?

I can't believe meowficcer god rolls are a thing but here we are

[atomic abyss]

there's no easy answer to the question of how long it takes

[late flame]

i honestly wouldnt bother unless you are swimming in coins

[left wasp]

to me its moreso "how many clears on the highest stage with the 2x book does it take to reach 55k event resources?"

cuz that's what I do
just go do t6
pop the 2x resource book
and auto it

wait does the 2x book give more event stuff or it is a waste of oil

[late flame]

and watch your shipgirls morale plummet (unless you are short on time)

HELP combines 2 run into 1 - double everything

[stark quiver]

Is destiny on a sub cat shit

[left wasp]

ahh okay, was just wondering
anyways it is the main reason why I have two mobs fleets
tho I have seen fleets with fewer ships and I'm wondering how to do that strat

[atomic abyss]

you need to grind 46,600 for this event assuming you complete all 1x mission

you get 450 from daily missions a day if you skip the 3x build one

[left wasp]

yes

[atomic abyss]

you get another 800 from each run of SP a day

let's assume 10 days of SP

[stark quiver]

?

[atomic abyss]

215 runs

so about 100 of 2x runs probably if you do SP more than 10 days

[opaque gate]

why cant i use coins for hakuryy?

[atomic abyss]

only drake, fdg and azuma can be coined for rainbows

[atomic abyss]

yes

haku and agir cannot be coined yet

[opaque gate]

rip, is she good rven if not fate sim5?

[barren tapir]

t5 is more efficient

[opaque gate]

currently dev 22

[atomic abyss]

dev 30 must

[opaque gate]

shinano hakuryu amagi cv good right? for boss

[atomic abyss]

what boss

[opaque gate]

w13

[atomic abyss]

you want a BB for campaign bossing

[opaque gate]

full of planes there

[atomic abyss]

doesnt matter

[barren tapir]

T6 215 runs 52675 oils
T5 276 runs 44160 oils

[opaque gate]

how about for meta fights?

[atomic abyss]

adding 1 BB makes it more consistent

meta fights it depends

triple sakura CV only works on nagato meta

the rest move too much - you need a freeze

[opaque gate]

ok thanks

[thick venture]

Can I use strategic search to auto my opsi dailies

[atomic abyss]

no

[thick venture]

Ayt

[atomic abyss]

you can autosearch each map at best

[stark quiver]

Damn, I’m not really swimming in coins, should I just make due with whatever cats I have and stop rerolling

[opaque gate]

is azuma fs 5 worth it? cuz i have hergun alr

[atomic abyss]

if youre using her sure

otherwise maybe just do the free ones

[opaque gate]

thanks

i guess only the gun requirement changed for her, that sucks

[sweet delta]

That's the opposite of suck

[still nest]

How come T5 use little oils but more run?

[left wasp]

Its just
faster I guess

[atomic abyss]

oil cap to currency ratio is better

[left wasp]

Only 61 more runs but I notice its a bit faster to do

[still nest]

Wdym by faster?

[left wasp]

like
just takes less time

[still nest]

Isn't more runs more time?

[left wasp]

The runs are shorter
as in less fights
but the overall grind is longer

[still nest]

Hmm I guess I'm gonna do T5

[still nest]

How about this 46k? Is this assuming that I won't buy the two 8k ship?

[barren tapir]

35% less oil per run but 22.2% less point per run

[barren tapir]

its for hitting 55k milestone you can spend it however you wish

[graceful kelp]

is t5 good for saving oil?

[left cedar]

just do T6 with low cost fleets and keep oil to farm W12~W14 🧠

rn now i'm doing with a 18cost fleet
and can be less, since i dont wanna use Ally ships ...

[still nest]

I'm thinking of just grabbing both 8k ship, blueprints, equip and go back to farm w12-14

[left cedar]

Point Rewards and Shops are really gud, i dont recomend to jump them

[graceful kelp]

i cant win with low cost fleets

[left cedar]

no resources or gears to do so ?

[graceful kelp]

i think is either my units or gears

[left cedar]

cuz this one its quite simple ... Ranger/Cassin or downess are able to do it

[graceful kelp]

my fleets cost like 60+ oil

i only left 117 oil, i so poor

[atomic abyss]

thats why oil cap exists

[crisp tree]

So almost finished with my Z23 and Shropshire retros and halfway done with my unicorn retro, Any other good R and Sr ship retros I should be aware of?

[atomic abyss]

160 oil per run on T5

why did you even do shrop retro

[crisp tree]

Bcus

[atomic abyss]

shrop retro is 0 priority

portland retro has priority instead

[crisp tree]

Her retro look makes my monkey brain go wild

[atomic abyss]

unicorn first
then portland and your starter

[graceful kelp]

💀

[barren tapir]

could be new player

[barren tapir]

how are you spending that much, it has oil cap

[graceful kelp]

its my fleet cost

[barren tapir]

which is capped

you are not spending 60 oil

[barren tapir]

you are not spending 60 oil

[graceful kelp]

oh

[atomic abyss]

if the map has been cleared

it's 160 oil per run for T5

[barren tapir]

it's so nice, i need a lot of purple plates currently to get my gear in shape and it's very efficient for that ^-^

[crisp tree]

whats the most efficient way to grind t2 retro mats?

[atomic abyss]

the same way you get other retro mats

[barren tapir]

highest hard mode stage you can do, there is no real shortcut here

[crisp tree]

the 3 clears per day limit is the bane of my existence

[atomic abyss]

well

[graceful kelp]

i find it hard to get cruiser for retrofit

[barren tapir]

do pay attention to the guild shop which might sell some, they're a great deal if you need retro bps
medal shop is very pricey for them, use only as last resort (for a very important retro like unicorn for example it might be worth it, otherwise, avoid.)

[atomic abyss]

t1 retro BP can be crafted to t2 if you have an abundance so

[barren tapir]

true, 6 for 1, would advise only doing so if you have a good amount of t1s so you don't suddenly end up needing t1s save a few and convert the rest

[still nest]

Does SSR ship also drop on T5?

[dreamy blade]

are homing/magnetic torpedos preferred for playing on auto?

is there any difference between the steam catapult vs the aviation oil tank

[late flame]

if both purple? no

[dreamy blade]

is there no gold oil tank?

[rapid grail]

there's only 2 gears that give +hp up to CV/L planes themselves: oil tank and avgas. Latter also gives plane speed so they're pretty good for an irrelevant gamemode

[storm heron]

yeah the gamemode is irrelevant, you can just ignore them

[dreamy blade]

i've kinda just been using w/e for gear but is there anything egregious i should fix

[dreamy blade]

this effect doesnt really matter tho right?

[storm heron]

most people will say it won't

[storm heron]

other than kagerou's and laffey's aa, probably no

[rapid grail]

anything's w/e until w9 just from level difference alone
could even get u up to w12
but after that you should focus on getting good gear as well

[dreamy blade]

im currently on w11

[dreamy blade]

getting good gear meaning like gear lab/crafting? or am i supposed to farm campaign stages

[atomic abyss]

For you, mostly tech boxes as of now

Gear lab and research are a slow grind

[graceful kelp]

the best

[tropic tusk]

is this a bug or am i blind?

[storm heron]

try relogging, maybe desync

[dreamy blade]

if you were logged in during reset you might have to restart your game

[graceful kelp]

re log

[tropic tusk]

omg 3q

[lone knoll]

aside from eldridge who else is good for pvp?

[dreamy blade]

ok cool so it's fine if i just ignore gear lab for now right? bc thats what ive been doing

[atomic abyss]

You should do operation siren

[dreamy blade]

ive been doing it, cleared normal arbiter but im too weak for hard or abyssals above c4

[graceful kelp]

ngl what is the benefit of doing operation siren

[dreamy blade]

mats for gear lab and gold plates

[atomic abyss]

Which is how you get best gear in the game

[graceful kelp]

ohhhh i see 🙏

[storm heron]

there should be a pvp docs on the pvp channel, you can see the ships there

[lone knoll]

oh theres a pvp channel thanks

[dreamy blade]

this was the best pvp defense team i've run into so far

[graceful kelp]

cant relate, i got dominated countless times

[blissful hamlet]

that fleet isn't the strongest, go to #pvp for general pvp guide

[dreamy blade]

by best i just mean funniest

[blissful hamlet]

funny meta

[graceful kelp]

his team is full of chicks with hands up

the whole team with the same pose

[blissful hamlet]

also #pvp is a better place to post funny fleet you find in pvp

[graceful kelp]

the first thing i saw in pvp channel is lit ksi new song 💀

[barren tapir]

gold plates, top end gears, exp without spending oil, meta ships, fun(?)

[lone knoll]

is Hiryuu a decent ship to build outside of pvp use?

[storm heron]

Hiryuu good for pvp? surely not...

[atomic abyss]

she's better to raise than akagi and kaga

but she needs to be with souryuu in pve

[atomic abyss]

she is very good for pvp

[lone knoll]

I dont have her...

[atomic abyss]

she is no longer pvp meta, but she used to be

without souryuu she's ass

[lone knoll]

okok

I wont build her then thanks

[atomic abyss]

consider that souryuu has very good fleet tech

you'll want to farm her anyways

[lone knoll]

is she perma?

[atomic abyss]

both of them are

[lone knoll]

okokill get her then

[atomic abyss]

+2 CV rld

[lone knoll]

huge

my airstrikes take too long

Btw do UR ships give out more tech or fdg is soecial?

[atomic abyss]

they do

[lone knoll]

and ur ships can be raised to 120 w/o bulins right

[atomic abyss]

they can

[storm heron]

idk though, cvs are weak to something like laffey-eldridge

[atomic abyss]

but they need to be mlb tho

[lone knoll]

nice thanks

[lone knoll]

I wont mlb nj right now

I think waiting for musashi or using bulins on shinano is wiser

[atomic abyss]

the current meta is BB yes
2 BB 1 CV still works outside of AotN chasing tho

[storm heron]

I wanted to ask a lot of stuff in pvp, but I doubt that people will explain as well as people here in gph

[uncut flower]

May I want to recall one specific thing if the boss for the EX Stage has Medium Armor? Since most of my friends there on one of the servers that I am on think that the EX boss had Light Armor.

[atomic abyss]

#pvp is still the best place

[storm heron]

so I'm just like "eh whatever, I'll do what they write in the sheets"

[silk sphinx]

i can give it a try, depending on the question

[storm heron]

sheet no hiryuu, hiryuu no good

[silk sphinx]

but do post in that channel

[atomic abyss]

fybre

that is for min maxing pvp to chase AotN

unless you have like the 3 UR BBs

you dont have much alternatives

[storm heron]

so it's just like a small spectrum of the top 1% good fleet

[atomic abyss]

the sheet is to teach you which are the best of the best

the issue with hiryuu is that you still need to go out of your way to farm her

[silk sphinx]

not really

still a good pick for a newbie pvp fleet though

[atomic abyss]

it is

[silk sphinx]

but there are reasons why she fell out of the meta

[white maple]

question, is the purple helldiver bomber just better than the gold?

[tame jungle]

Gold helldiver is better but too minor of an improvement for it to actually be recommended

[white maple]

ahh ic gotcha, what would u recommend in terms of dive bomber's im like mid game in ch10 rn

[tame jungle]

Purple helldiver is fine until you get your tenrais

[white maple]

bet

[zenith heron]

Basically Purple Helldiver better value, till Tenrai

[white maple]

thank you guys 🫡

[dreamy blade]

is the blue quad bofors better than the purple quad pompom?

[zenith heron]

A purple quad borfors could've been better but stick to your pompoms for now till you get Gold Quad Bofors or Gold twin 133mm AA gun... Question is though, what content is this for? Events? Campaign?

[dreamy blade]

uh was mainly in response to this, and for campaign/opsi i guess

[zenith heron]

Bcs Worlds 12 ti 13 now needs better AA due to harder enemy planes

[dreamy blade]

purple bofors would be better than that gold twin 105 sk c/33 too?

[soft dagger]

kagerou's fine. nelson laffey portland kasumi AA gun is the one you need to change

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Thebombzen/Safe_To_Scrap_MK_II

[dreamy blade]

what is an accelerator?

[soft dagger]

aa gun with fast reload to accelerate your fleet aa reload average

[harsh cargo]

Will they give us Sail Components and Round Shot in this event? Or Old-Demi Cannon?

The fuck? So they made an event with units we can't gear up?

[barren tapir]

IF the tempesta shipyard event retains its phase 2 from the last event we will get sail and round + 2x 12 pounders

no demi cannon, it's farmable in T5

also the 12 pound, sail, round are in core shop for 800/500/500 once a month

[late flame]

though i wouldnt use core data to buy those

[harsh cargo]

I see. So it's only the demi cannon that I mostly need to farm

[late flame]

(old demi-cannon) you'd only need 1 (or 2 if add sao)
but in practice you'd almost never use *tempestra ships

[harsh cargo]

In practice, but see I'm a Pirate of the Caribbean so they kinda force my hand

But knowing I only need two is nice!

[late flame]

i mean sure you'll use them in meme and whatever yes (collection/waifu)
in serious end-game content? nope

[barren tapir]

yeah you'd only care about the gear if you wanna use the ships for waifu reason

[boreal apex]

Any recomendation for meowfficers?

[grizzled sundial]

From what i understand , faction buff cat is not good as people generally run mixed fleet , so backline general buff , also the cat from the gold box .

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

MEOWFFICER QUICK GUIDE

What are Meowfficers?
They are companions that you can add up to 2 per fleet (including sub fleets). They buff your fleets with their "skills" and "talents". There are 27 different types of them.

How do I get them?
You get them by opening Cat Boxes in the Cattery. The Cattery can be found under HQ > Cat Lodge. The first Cat Box you buy everyday is free. You can buy up to 14 more per day, with each costing 1500 Gold. It is strongly recommended you do NOT binge on them!

How do I level them?
Just like ships, they gain experience when sortied. They do not cost oil, however their exp gain is dependent on the oil spent by the fleet. They max out at level 30. You can also level them by feeding other meowfficers to them, at about 30% exp loss (20% bonus if identical). Additionally they can gain levels passively through Comf-Forts.

What are talents?
Talents buff a specific ship type or faction. They get 1-3 permanent talents, depending on rarity.. Every 5 levels they gain, they get a Cat Paw which can be used to roll new talents or raise the level of some talents. You can reroll any new talents once every 24h with gold (increases with number of talents).

What are skills?
Skills are unique to each type of Meowfficer. They usually give some stat buff or some perk to the fleet. They get 1 skill initially, and they can get up to 3 skills, each obtained by feeding duplicates (1 for 2nd, 3 for 3rd). The potency of the skills is dependent on their stats which increase through levels.
Do note that the skill stat buffs are mostly inferior to talent stat buffs.

Visit the AL Wiki Page on Meowfficers for more details.
Cat Guide by Riceist#3504 for detailed explanation of skills and talents.

[opaque gate]

suisei or helldiver for w13?

[wind hazel]

helldiver

[opaque gate]

does suisei have any advantagebover helldiver?

[wind hazel]

none that i know off it's pretty much helldiver to transition into tenrai in most cases for campaign

[opaque gate]

thanks

[frank pulsar]

12a version is used for timing adjustment, but no variant of suisei is used over helldiver otherwise

[supple canopy]

Does anybody know where I can get more heavy cannons for pirate shipfus

[elfin hollow]

Farm t5 n t6

[opaque gate]

what makes shinano good?

like what usage/skill specifically

[atomic abyss]

UR
she has 9 planes, really strong skills
this equates to really high damage

[atomic abyss]

t5 for martinho and ganj main gun
t6 for everyone else

[opaque gate]

thanks

[fickle hollow]

Is F4U pirate better on shinano or F6F hellcat?

[atomic abyss]

pirate squad is only marginally better
dont buy it if you havent

if you already have it, might as well for a mobbing shinano

[fickle hollow]

Oh, I didn't buy it yet, anything important I should buy from CD shop I have 800Cd, Shinano, Amagi2, NJ

[atomic abyss]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[atomic abyss]

3 pairs of shell and independence

i hope all those 3 URs are mlb

[fickle hollow]

I MLb'd Shinano today

[crisp wadi]

How much pair of shells usually need? As much as possible?

[atomic abyss]

3 pairs

which is enough for 1 BB fleet in opsi

[tame jungle]

3 is probably enough

[crisp wadi]

Damn, I got too much then. Mine is 10 pairs

[fickle hollow]

White /black she'll?

[atomic abyss]

white first
but both yes

[tame jungle]

Yes

[fickle hollow]

Ok

[glacial jasper]

white shell or black shell beter?

[fickle hollow]

Is Shinano racing skin good?

[atomic abyss]

white is better

[mint flint]

thats a matter of personal preference not gameplay

[atomic abyss]

gameplay perspective - shit, cos its a waste of gems. only get it if you whale

aesthetics? ask #al-general

[fickle hollow]

[fickle hollow]

Ok

[eternal pine]

Is this a good fleet? Anything I can improve?

[elfin hollow]

Retrofit your Unicorn.

[plain saffron]

afaik only 1 nagato skin is bad

[atomic abyss]

drop akagi and kaga and huan chang
retrofit unicorn
ignore the subs

level up volga and howe to replace akagi and kaga
move nj to boss
add saratoga to mob

otherwise pretty decent

[bright tusk]

Is 457mm has its "lite" version for barrage BB when fighting med / heavy boss?

[frank pulsar]

not rly, unless you wanna cope mk4
but then again shelling guns are fine for bossing on barrage bb

[versed forum]

is Napoli good CA?

[forest palm]

a top tank

[atomic abyss]

currently the best tank in the game

[atomic abyss]

as said here #gameplay-help message

no, i would just use the same old champy guns personally

[fringe hedge]

Is retrofit Laffey worth it?

[atomic abyss]

as a new player, you will want to have 1 of the starters retrofitted for the newbie missions

so 1 of either javelin, laffey and z23

if you're looking beyond that, then no, not really worth

[soft raft]

the starter retrofits themselves arent too bad, but they dont really have any late campaign value

[fringe hedge]

Is Emeden good tho

[atomic abyss]

one of the better CLs

[soft raft]

Solid DPS
but lack of AA moment (tho that's only a relevant downside in plane heavy content)

[atomic abyss]

if you're not lacking on gold bulins to your backliners
viable pick

[fringe hedge]

Well it’s lvl 113 and I need to build a solid fleet bc I am new kinda

[atomic abyss]

oh

then sure use her

[fringe hedge]

My fleet consists of Shinano , Startsburg , vanguard , Prinz Heinrich , emeden and Prinz Eugen is there anything I should change?

[atomic abyss]

please tell me that vanguard is mlb
As is that shinano

[fringe hedge]

It’s bb vanguard

[atomic abyss]

so, is she and shinano max limit broken?

[fringe hedge]

Almost still working on it

[atomic abyss]

so then you might as well scrap half the fleet

you're missing unicorn

go strasbourg unicorn shinano
heinrich emden z23 (if you have her)

level up portland, helena for a 2nd fleet

focus all the UR bulins on shinano first

[fringe hedge]

Ok thx

Shoud I use exp data packs bc I got 284 of those

[atomic abyss]

for unicorn yes

[fringe hedge]

How many to use?

[atomic abyss]

till she's near the same level as the rest

you'll want to retrofit unicorn

[fringe hedge]

Alr thx

[ember roost]

I need a lesser oil fleet or can I get by with 24?

[wind hazel]

can go lower with unicorn+ddg

if you're just looking for point then go 3/4 oil at T4 honestly, or full fleet T5

[ember roost]

I'm doing t6 for more points but is t5 better

[wind hazel]

it's more point per oil

[ember roost]

Ok thank you

[wind hazel]

t6 is only if you're hunting for ship drop and the weapon prints

[ember roost]

Ahh ok bet

[ornate narwhal]

When should I start making a second fleet?

[atomic abyss]

Start after reaching w9

[ornate narwhal]

Ok

I’m still at 5…

[atomic abyss]

Just to be clear

You can fight off enemies with 0 ammo

[ornate narwhal]

Yea

I just haven’t had the time to grind story since I’m still trying to get everything from the event shop

But I can now clear t6 so hopefully that’ll make things quicker

[lofty zodiac]

Gniii...

Not this’month for my’first harbi kill i guess...

[hollow gust]

This month easily easy

[wind hazel]

easily easy

[soft raft]

if that's normal mode, you do know that you have infinite attempts to beat it/the HP wont reset if you leave, right?

[lofty zodiac]

Thx for the salt

[hollow gust]

Well he did say harby

[tame jungle]

[soft raft]

oh

then honestly no big deal
all the main rewards are in normal difficulty

[wind hazel]

honestly just retry

surely some crit proc will take care of that 4% in another try

[atomic abyss]

Or try alternative strats

I'm having an amusing time with the knowledge that a d25 Nakh already out-dpses avp

[hollow gust]

Dev25 🤢

[wind hazel]

avp isn't really a high bar on dps to begin with, no?

[atomic abyss]

Ofc

But logically, you'd think that swapping 2 carriers for a Soyuz and an incomplete Nakh would deal less than AvP + UR CV

[hollow gust]

Soyuz 🚮

Using nahk as a 3rd is just so much stronger

[ornate narwhal]

How much harder is the sp stage than t6?

[atomic abyss]

Full 15-20 levels higher

[forest palm]

should be like Lv 105

[ornate narwhal]

Oh I’m higher than lvl 105, average lvl is 110

Is it worth it to try

[atomic abyss]

Why not

[forest palm]

ya this event is very mid/early game player friendly

[ornate narwhal]

Also which of the gold cats should I use? I only have the 3 free ones

[atomic abyss]

The ones with the most relevant talents to your fleet

[barren tapir]

drake and every are good idk bout kidd

any cat > no cat tho so slap cats into all your fleet slots. bad cats will get exp then be eaten by better cats. the cycle of life

[ornate narwhal]

lol ok

[forest palm]

you just want at least 2 LV 30 cats for ops

[bronze prawn]

Has ganj been tested yet

[soft raft]

idk, but either way this whole event lineup is realistically collection tier in the long run

skip if you have less than 400 cubes

[grim siren]

Is RLD skill good on a cat?

[elfin hollow]

Hello! Returning player here, does anybody know which would be better suited for this team in replacement for Sovetsky?

[soft dagger]

decent for main fleet/sub fleet

[soft dagger]

she's not maxed yet, keep going

[elfin hollow]

Got any gear recommendations? I’m only Lv.70 to be honest, so I don’t have a lot and the last time I logged on was when she dropped (at the time the guides weren’t being updated.)

[forest palm]

mk6 twin 150 quad bofor fcr purple white shell

[soft raft]

the lack of a main tank is rather concerning
Where is your Portland

[elfin hollow]

Thrown away.

[soft raft]

You have to do her retrofit for rookie mission and she's a really solid tank after retrofit

[forest palm]

she does have a cardboard personality

[elfin hollow]

Dropped because bored of her

[forest palm]

[elfin hollow]

Her replacement is Epee

[soft dagger]

yo. you need to tell me how should i respond to this kind of problem in here

[elfin hollow]

STOP, IT’S NOT STUPID.

[forest palm]

for as cardboard as Portlands personality is, she as a ship far outweighs that, she is one of the solid low entry tanks you can build in this game

[undone siren]

Stats > looks > personality
Would absolutely continue using Portland. She's going to be good to you for a while

[jaunty glade]

For which fleets respectively?

[forest palm]

sometimes personality outweighs looks for me, to be frank I don't even have Portland level 120 in the 6 years I've been playing

[soft dagger]

both good for battleships. you could argue every can go to cv aswell tho

[umbral wadi]

If I pull an AR ship should I put it on my team?

[tame jungle]

nah not really

[umbral wadi]

Okk

Does any ship replace Portland or Helena later game??

[ornate narwhal]

How can I get 2 purple retrofit mats? I already did my daily hard mode

[tame jungle]

portland definitely, there's a bunch of ships that outperform her tanking ability
helena not really, but at a certain point your backliners will be strong enough to the point where you don't really need helena for any content

[barren tapir]

checked guild shop?

[keen mural]

you can try on guild shop

[umbral wadi]

Okay so I needa work on getting good back liners?

[tame jungle]

that will come over time

[ornate narwhal]

Yea nothing…I also refreshed it

[umbral wadi]

My goal atm is trying to retrofit unicorn

[barren tapir]

what retrofit is it, if unicorn then might be worth spending medals, or if you have a lot of medals. otherwise, patience i guess

[keen mural]

i'd say wait for tomorrow, we close to medal shop reset so you might want to save medals

[ornate narwhal]

Portland

[soft dagger]

don't rush for retro bp just grind hard mode and check guild shop. retro bp in medal shop is too expensive

[tame jungle]

good things come to those who wait

[barren tapir]

ye id just wait on it

[glacial jasper]

Is meowficer every good?

The one in the event shop

[harsh cargo]

Who are the healers, other than Unicorn/Perseus?

[novel solstice]

Unicorn is really the only healer you'll ever need.

[harsh cargo]

Not if you need to farm so much you run out of morale

[plain saffron]

if you want the one that do a good job as main healer, nobody else

if not main healer but anyone that have any heal, ryuuhou, aquila, shouhou(?)

[storm heron]

Not like you need heals when farming

[tame jungle]

also zuihou

[atomic abyss]

That's from suchi's w15 tiers

...and nocar and Illustrious are not healers

[tame jungle]

doesn't NC have heal with her aug technically

[atomic abyss]

Unicorn, Perseus, Zuihou, Aquila, Volga, Ryuuhou, Shouhou, Arizona, Painleve, Klaudia, Dunkerque (w/ Aug), North Carolina (w/Aug)

[wispy creek]

Which of the cannons should I be farming, since it looks like it goes both on the slot

[atomic abyss]

Not true

T5 cannon is the main gun for Ganj and Sao Martinho

[wispy creek]

Wait I lied. T5 is old Demi. T6 it is!

[weary gust]

T5 is more important to farm, especially if you missed the first event. Otherwise you have no gun for the main fleet Tempestas.

[blazing shale]

Which gear does T6 reward?

[wind hazel]

old heavy

[cosmic palm]

Do later hard mode stages have higher chances of dropping T3 bueprints?

[opaque gate]

u guys use sg radar for helena?

[soft dagger]

depends

[opaque gate]

how about with saratoga uni?

[plain saffron]

yes if timing only

[soft dagger]

she should be in boss fleet

[atomic abyss]

Yes, but marginally

[atomic abyss]

No then
No way they strike fast enough

[tame jungle]

I presume they’re using 1 fleet here

[soft dagger]

then don't bother

[opaque gate]

is helena better than ayanami in boss fleet? cuz ayanami's torpedo is fkin strong

with nagato amagj enty

[atomic abyss]

Aya just kinda

[soft dagger]

what boss?

[atomic abyss]

Isn't good

[opaque gate]

also, how doi estimate airstrike loading time?

[atomic abyss]

You check your ship's equips

[opaque gate]

world 13, i put my izumo on mob cuz they are having a hard time w/o bb

do i add them? the aircraft time

[cursive lark]

Helenuh

[atomic abyss]

What were you even using

[opaque gate]

sea hornet saiun breg

[atomic abyss]

That's not what I mean

What team were you even using

[opaque gate]

i followed what u guys suggested, but now i have helena

[atomic abyss]

What are your 2 fleets?

[jaunty glade]

sandy worth taking to 125?

[opaque gate]

i removed ryuuhou, and made ky mob fleet
saratoga izumo uni, takao ayanami noshiro

boss fleet
enty nagato amagi cv
azuma helena ibuki

[atomic abyss]

yes

[undone plover]

Eventually sure
I wouldnt do it first tho

Prioritize backline and main tank imo for 125

[reef flume]

Absolutely

[jaunty glade]

i have fdg, helena, anchorage, shinano, unicorn all at 125 already

[atomic abyss]

it's a shitty mob frontline
not sure what you expected

forget w13

go back to w12 and level up better ships

[hollow gust]

Nagato is so shit too

[opaque gate]

my boss fleet is comfy,only mob fleet

[atomic abyss]

exactly, because the ships there are ass

[opaque gate]

noshiro laffey takao better than noshiro aya takao?

[atomic abyss]

neither

both are bad

[cursive lark]

Sandy is w15 level, but again most likely you are asking whether to grind sandy then yes, awakening only when you need it

[opaque gate]

my takao has no problem surviving and noshiro, only my other ship has

[atomic abyss]

ignore w13
go back to w12
level better ships there

your fleet will struggle by the time it gets to 13-4

[opaque gate]

cant retro sandy yet cuz iretroed helena, but can she be used?

[cursive lark]

Ofc

[atomic abyss]

she can, but she alone will not fix your fleet issues

[cursive lark]

No rush to w13 tbh

[atomic abyss]

exactly

[cursive lark]

It's not like you're gonna be able to farm new orleans via campaign or hn

[opaque gate]

yeah, ill just clear up to 13-4 manually, then try to make my fleet as comfy as possible for auto

[atomic abyss]

no, you shd just ignore w13 and stay in w12 if you're struggling

[jaunty glade]

honestly there is no point for w13 from what i understand aside from gems

[atomic abyss]

there isnt yes

w12 is the best grinding spot

[soft raft]

Yeah there's nothing super urgent in W13 worth rushing towards

[opaque gate]

even for gold??

[soft raft]

Technically higher world = more gold per run, but the difficulty jumps quite a bit after W12

[wind hazel]

if you have to manual play for gold farm, it's a very inefficient method

[atomic abyss]

it's not much more efficient
especially considering 13-4 needs proper fleets

[cursive lark]

We don't farm there it's too hard

[atomic abyss]

12-4 you can get away with shit ships

[wind hazel]

we actually do

[atomic abyss]

if you have to farm 13-4 with maxed out ships - kinda pointless

[wind hazel]

just not with dogshit fleets 13-4 is very good coin map

[reef flume]

W13 gives gems?

[soft raft]

W13 is plane spam
W14 is janky smoke mechanics + bulkier ramming boats + submarines
W15 is plane hell, slightly less janky smoke mechanics, and submarines

[soft raft]

All campaign maps do when you 3* them

[reef flume]

Ah you mean by clearing it. Lol I thought w13 drops them xD

[wind hazel]

just raise some good AA ship in w12 @opaque gate like SanDiego, Juneau, Cheshire, Shimanto, Scylla, whichever you have

[reef flume]

Watch W16 being W15 but 5 times worse with hardmode arbiter tier ships

[soft dagger]

san diego and independence should be enough for w13 provided they are geared properly

[soft raft]

Indep ain't really what id consider a AA carry
Also keep in mind you'd want a AA carry in both fleets as well

[barren tapir]

good cvs arent exactly aa carries, but they do make your life a lot easier in combination with decent aa

[cursive lark]

But but harby is just damage check

[barren tapir]

and indep has a very good loadout for assisting with aa

[soft dagger]

ye i know, but dude's using izumo instead of triple cving it. more aa carry in boss fleet helps yes, but the dude say the boss fleet has no problem. i'm just looking at their information really

[reef flume]

I would also recommend him Aquila with double fighters and a breguet

[cursive lark]

Do they even have aquila?

[reef flume]

That's the question

[wind hazel]

more like don't simply recommend something that people might not have

otherwise just recommend musashi unicorn yorktown2 guam laffey2 sandy wowzer

[cursive lark]

Made my day

[reef flume]

Maybe the right word to use is suggesting

[soft raft]

His statement still applies

[barren tapir]

suggesting something without knowing what they have feels pointless

it's one thing to propose easily acquirable ships, or ships they should have (like indep, uni, etc) but suggesting any random ship from event or perma banners is

[cursive lark]

Nakhimov d30 might be better than yt2

[atomic abyss]

i mean, in terms of what exactly

[cursive lark]

Oh wait they are in the same tier

[barren tapir]

[cursive lark]

[atomic abyss]

nakh shouldnt outDPS yk2 against light

wat

[ornate narwhal]

Do all the ports have shops?

[atomic abyss]

only blue ports

[cursive lark]

Is it worth it pulling the event for amity, martinho, and golden hind?

[atomic abyss]

no

[ornate narwhal]

Ok

[tame jungle]

it's not

[cursive lark]

Ok

[atomic abyss]

amity is in the shop and t6/sp

why would you even pull for her

[ornate narwhal]

What happens then operation siren restarts? Do I lose everything?

[cursive lark]

I have 53 cubes, I just need the coins

[tame jungle]

then definitely not worth

[left cedar]

53 is nothing... and u should be holding them for December UR

[ornate narwhal]

Wait so what’s the point of grinding now if I’m just gonna lose everything soon?

[storm peak]

Grind of Equipment for Gear Lab and Nageta

[barren tapir]

vouchers have a shop you can redeem items at

[undone siren]

Do Alsace or Soyuz want flag. or do they not care?

[ornate narwhal]

Oh what can I buy?

[atomic abyss]

they do not care

[undone siren]

Thanks for confirming

[soft raft]

He was asking for what he could buy with the vouchers

[barren tapir]

i just reached 5000 sync point, do i still have time to max nagato meta if i do all the meta fight daily

[wind hazel]

you can get 43875 pts from tomorrow onwards, if you get max points daily

tl;dr yes can max

[barren tapir]

tyy for the calculation

[wind hazel]

quick maf, man's not hot

[storm peak]

@ornate narwhal Things that can support your OpSi for every month. You can also get some extra coin if low on funds which I don't recommend it unless you need to

[opal stirrup]

Guys could I know IJN MAYA drop rate?? like how many time do I have to sail out the sea to get her, I hope that it'll better than Kaga one

[atomic abyss]

/droprate

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Q: What are the drop rates for __?
A: Map drop rates are unknown and cannot be datamined, due to being server-side. The only one known is 0.75% for Akagi/Kaga (individually) on 3-4. Community data collection suggests the other gold ship drop rates are somewhat similar, however.

Q: Then where should I farm for __?
A: Farm the highest map you can for it. Higher stages give more EXP, upgrade parts, equipment, and shop currency. Community data collection suggests the drop rates are also probably higher on higher worlds.

[cursive lark]

8000 amity points is 57.142 runs of T5 which cost 9142 oil, which can give me 62171 coins instead of 31425 coins, or 10488 oil, which can give me 74044 gold instead of 46666 coins, either I give up 28k or 31k coins for Amity, or betting I can get amity in those pulls which is 19 or 21 pulls, which the odds are around 10%, I guess yeah farming events are better

[atomic abyss]

you're giving up cubes

for a 0.5% drop rate

[cursive lark]

And coins

[atomic abyss]

cubes which are needed for your URs

coins can be farmed, cubes cant

[storm peak]

Bruh. That's not how it works.

I better buy it at the shop or keep grinding

Either way, I could get more money from T6 while also with luck, could get Amity

[barren tapir]

i do not understand this calculation but i would never put coins over cubes ever

[cursive lark]

Right. I didn't consider that

[storm peak]

Amity can be earned from not only Pulls, but also from Shop and Map Drop

So, yeah. You can take that chance to restore your finance and also hunting for points + Amity from T6

[barren tapir]

if youre that pressed for oil you can 3 or 4 oil t4 for 8000 amity points

[cursive lark]

For oil spent to get 8000 points, t6 gives about 3k more coins than t5 but cost 1300 more oil

[barren tapir]

3 oil = 28 oil for 100 point = 2240 oil per amity
4 oil = 34 oil for 100 point = 2720 oil per amity

[cursive lark]

Wow even 4 oil T4 saves so much

[storm peak]

That depends on your decision. You go after money or nah.

[barren tapir]

saves oil at the cost of time

[storm peak]

Does T6 still holds the most valuable for money?

[cursive lark]

Idk, needs to be calculated

[atomic abyss]

t5

[cursive lark]

But t5 is definitely better for coins despite the explicit loss

Assuming you stop at the equal points

[storm peak]

I may go for T6 if I want to try my luck on Amity

But, I'll consider go for T5 and T4 for money and oils

[silk helm]

why is t5 a loss?

[storm peak]

Oil consumption

[cursive lark]

550 coins for 160 oil vs 1050 coins for 245 oil

[silk helm]

gotcha, how is t5 better for coins then

[cursive lark]

But then point wise, if one grind t5 all the time vs t6, t5 can finish with less oil and go for 12-4

Therefore t5 wins at the end because of opportunity cost

[storm peak]

True, but if you want to keep try your luck and save 8k points for Amity, then you can stay at T6

[soft raft]

I think they're talking in terms of oil efficiency

[cursive lark]

Amity drop rates assuming 0.75%, I have not considered it yet

[barren tapir]

if it matters to you, t5 exp/oil is 21.55 and t6 exp/oil is 17.665

3 sirens + 3 two star nodes + boss, exp value is single ship with no boosts, extrapolate accordingly

[storm peak]

Again, though. That is, if you want to try your luck in saving up to 40k points, I think?

[cursive lark]

But we can calculate since we have the number of runs for amity, and operating at the drop rate assumption

[barren tapir]

t5 feels like it'd be good to level a bunch of fleet tech ships

[cursive lark]

We can calc the expected point gain for the amity save

[barren tapir]

t5 purple plates/oil is also going to be the best

[half plover]

so what is good to get from t6 before moving to t5?

[cursive lark]

Nothing

[storm peak]

Nothing except you want to try your luck on Amity

[cursive lark]

Keep gambling on amity or not

[half plover]

what about that gear from t6

[barren tapir]

heavy cannon if you need them for equips

[cursive lark]

I want to say keep t6 until get amity but t5 is better coins and exp

[half plover]

exp is not important because c1 excists

[cursive lark]

• the gear is scarcer

[half plover]

but coins and drops are

[barren tapir]

c1?

[half plover]

opsi c1 yeah

[cursive lark]

Well then we might have to factor in time since c1 is time to ap converter

[storm peak]

T5 for Demi-cannon and T6 for Heavy Cannon

[half plover]

991exp / min of c1 (for fleet)

[barren tapir]

do u just like spam c1 infinitely

[half plover]

ap is not important since you will gain more ap than u lose

[cursive lark]

I also don't think time is easy to consider since people don't have 100% azur lane uptime

[half plover]

no but if it is just a minor exp/oil loss from t6 to t5 a little bit c1 can compensate that if exp is really that important

I would rather care about drops and coins

[storm peak]

Well, if you want to FE all of Tempestas, then you can stay at T6

[cursive lark]

Eventually you will have to consider if you can spend all the oil in a day if you are doing c1 to cover

[half plover]

I think it is really easy with high efficiency plans to just burn oil

[cursive lark]

But help is also not unlimited

[barren tapir]

then morale is an issue

[half plover]

what is FE?

[cursive lark]

Have multiple fleets

[storm peak]

Full Equip

[tame jungle]

fire emblem

[half plover]

oh

[barren tapir]

fire extinguisher

[storm peak]

Like, we got around 11 Tempestas, so to Full Equip all of them, need 22 Heavy Cannons

[tame jungle]

why would you torment yourself with that

[cursive lark]

You can't use all of them at once though

Max is 6 right

[half plover]

what is the event point/oil ratio for t5 and t6 tho

[storm peak]

Ye, since it's limited to 6 Subs

[barren tapir]

22 heavy cannons...dear god

also some can be substituted (and should be, if possible) for 12 pounders anyway

[cursive lark]

Assuming tempesta will have use case in a regular event, pretty sure gearing 6 tempestas is ok

I guess 9 max since IXS

[storm peak]

That makes around 12 Heavy Cannons

[barren tapir]

6 for subs and 6 for vanguards and 2 for main fleet = 14 total needed (+2 demi cannon)

[cursive lark]

But then

[storm peak]

Unless, you want to nab them to Main Fleet

[cursive lark]

You cant run 3 IXMs so 5+3

[storm peak]

Oh, darn.

[cursive lark]

But my oil ran out just to get the demi cannon

Glad thing exp and gold is better there assuming same event point and I can go to 12-4 to cover

[barren tapir]

t5 0.875
t6 0.7347

[half plover]

ty

[wheat light]

XP boosting skills don't work crossfleet right?

[barren tapir]

the wiki seems to be using the last year event numbers just as a heads up.

[sweet delta]

T6 1.06 if you assume 1% Amity drop rate

[atomic abyss]

they do not

[ornate narwhal]

What settings should I put for the statistic search?

[undone siren]

T5 > T6 to farm then?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[barren tapir]

if you dont want or need amity drops then yes, otherwise consider t6 for amity drops if you dont need demi cannons or high efficiency purple plate farming kek

[cursive lark]

It could or could not make t6 better than t5 depends on whether 55k or full shop is chased

[sweet delta]

The best is whichever gun drop you need

[silk helm]

do u just 1:1 it?

[atomic abyss]

i dont

i have too much oil right now