gameplay-help

[atomic abyss]

open a thread, put screenshots of your dock there

[flint scroll]

Ok lemme do thật

[reef flume]

Base damage of champagne gun, med modifier of champagne gun and slot efficiency of NJ

[atomic abyss]

no lol

those are DIFFERENT categories

they would multiply not add

[atomic abyss]

like i said

[boreal wagon]

you also dont multiply by 3 just because its 3 bullets, you perform the damage calculation 3 times

[reef flume]

Ah...

[atomic abyss]

unless you're planning to learn the formulas

and understand the mechanics of the ENTIRE page

just ignore them

it's more confusing than its worth

[reef flume]

So it goes 150×140×150 done three times?

[boreal wagon]

(altho if you assume the same conditions for all 3 shots you can effectively multiply it by 3)

[atomic abyss]

you cant because rng

[boreal wagon]

i said if u assume the same conditions which includes same rolls
its unrealistic anyway which is why i struck it out

[silk helm]

i beat EX but had to move eldridge to the middle, that was the game changer

[atomic abyss]

but that doesnt include any other modifier

[vale spindle]

theres a written out example on the page for reference

[atomic abyss]

like i said you have to multiply/add EVERYTHING

[boreal wagon]

u also dont treat 140% as 140, its 1.4 (and so on)

[atomic abyss]

eld on middle is weird

jeanne has no business being on side

eld cant proc skill as easily in middle

[reef flume]

I think I am starting to understand but yk what I give up. Too hard

[cobalt rapids]

#gameplay-help message

[inland shoal]

Tbh in EX it's the same cuz she gets hit until she dies or procs anyway

[atomic abyss]

why kill jda early

[sweet delta]

@cobalt rapids Have you tried nagato and two of akagamagi two strike?

[cobalt rapids]

on manual u mean ?

oh wait i realized

brb

[inland shoal]

Tbh for me when I tried JdA she always procced at the same time as Eldridge (I think hits on shield still proc Eldridge?) so it was kind of pointless

[silk helm]

tbh i had no idea what was happeneing, but i saw my eld dying way early, so i decided to swap them

[ornate narwhal]

Is it likely that when the previously free URs come back they will be free again?

[sweet delta]

Idk if 0 damage hits on shield proc rainbow but jeannes 2s invincibility definitely shouldn't

[remote quarry]

And what free URs would those be?

[inland shoal]

Yeah I meant 0 dmg hits on shields

[ornate narwhal]

Mogador and idk if there’s more

[remote quarry]

If its a rerun event, they are usually the same.

[inland shoal]

They will probably be acquirable the same way on rerun

As for permanent who knows

[ornate narwhal]

Ok

When is the next UR rerun/new UR?

[reef flume]

People says after Tempesta, but it is not possible

(UR rerun)

[cloud panther]

UR collab

[ornate narwhal]

What

[ornate narwhal]

So not soon?

[inland shoal]

After Tempesta would be soon

[reef flume]

Depends if they decide to rerun Convergence before

[ornate narwhal]

Who’s next in line for rerun?

[reef flume]

UR?

Musashi

[cloud panther]

Don't remember Impla is after York2

[soft raft]

yup Implac was the first UR of the 2023 batch

[ornate narwhal]

And the previously free ones are Mogador and Laffey II?

[bronze belfry]

is the fastest way to lvl a ship is to infinitely farm 11-1?

[ornate narwhal]

Is it one new event followed by 1 rerun and repeated?

[stark quiver]

Until they announce nobody knows

[ornate narwhal]

I meant like usually

[inland shoal]

The fastest way is use exp books

[sweet delta]

11-1 has worse exp per morale than higher chapters, and morale is the limiting factor of "infinite" farms

[stark quiver]

No, there’s no specific order

[inland shoal]

It's a bit unpredictable

[stark quiver]

whatever manjuu says goes

[ornate narwhal]

How long will it take for Kron and Vanguard to be added to standard?

Like 6 months?

[atomic abyss]

~1 year after their reruns

[ornate narwhal]

So how much time till Kron

[vale spindle]

we dont know exactly

[atomic abyss]

her rerun was in apr 2024
so you can estimate

[ornate narwhal]

Ok

[vale spindle]

it happens when devs say it happens

[reef flume]

They could add both Kron and Vanny in permanent pulls at the beginning of 2025 but I doubt (at least Vanguard)

[stark quiver]

Aquila be like

[sweet delta]

Where is the evidence of this?

[stark quiver]

clearly “people says”

[reef flume]

I got none. Just multiple people (online and in this server sometimes) that says the next UR rerun is after Tempesta (keyword: people says)

Mostly outside this server tho

[cobalt rapids]

very smort
it worked nice, but it took afew retries

[stark quiver]

So just baseless speculation

[atomic abyss]

so just the peanut gallery

[sweet delta]

Why is it impossible?

[viscid swift]

After would be correct but right after is a coin toss

[reef flume]

Operation Convergence

[sweet delta]

[viscid swift]

You do know the rerun order has been changed around before right

[reef flume]

That event came before Violet Tempest

[sweet delta]

Stop capping

[reef flume]

Huh? When?

[soft raft]

impero and kron

[viscid swift]

Just earlier this year Kronshtadt and Impero had their order swapped

[soft raft]

Rossiya and Bremerton events too

[viscid swift]

And then there's Northern Overture being pushed back 2 times

[atomic abyss]

it has happened A LOT

lmao

[soft raft]

Also you clearly didnt read the sidenote i put at the bottom of my image

[reef flume]

Ion see where

[rose cosmos]

Who should I use these for

[viscid swift]

Eh?

[reef flume]

AH WAIT

[stark quiver]

Aa on a good AA ship

[rose cosmos]

For example?

[atomic abyss]

san diego

[stark quiver]

San Diego and shimanto

[rose cosmos]

Oh I have her

[reef flume]

Yes Impero rerun before Kron although coming after Kron. Nvm my bad

[soft raft]

San Diego, Shimanto, Guam, Laffey II, Juneau retro, Allen M Sumner

[reef flume]

Forgive my ignorance

[soft raft]

certified EN moment

[reef flume]

🥲

[bronze belfry]

@sweet delta so whats the most optimal stage to farm

[cobalt rapids]

w12+

[left cedar]

12-1 or 12-4 if lvling
13-4 or 14-4 if pure gold

[cobalt rapids]

X-1 stages in 12+ for coggies

[left cedar]

just 12-1 for lvling and cogs 🧠

[forest palm]

[left cedar]

[icy mist]

how to avoid my flag being kill in 14-4 boss

[hollow gust]

Kill the boss faster, or make sure none of the waves stay around for too lmg

[icy mist]

I kill it fast is the mobs fleet that focus fire on my flag

This thing work on her?

[atomic abyss]

it does but not worth using

is it killing soyuz on lethal or safe

[hollow gust]

Your ships should focus staggering out all the damage . Soyuz is more then tanky enough and her dps is more then sufficient

[atomic abyss]

from my experience, soyuz has better time on 14-4 than alsace anyways

extra 1k HP does that

[hollow gust]

All the URs do perfectly fine , it's all about the execution

[icy mist]

I have to change to musashi mob fleet she can do the job but thats not hers job to do the boss fleet

[hollow gust]

Show your fleet , switching from Soyuz and Musashi isn't going anything

[atomic abyss]

^

[sweet delta]

Its a cheeky-crafted fleet

[ancient ridge]

Omg I need unicorn retrofit so cute 😭

[atomic abyss]

given she's one of the best ships in the game

she is the FIRST retrofit you should prioritise

[reef flume]

Just retrofit her

[icy mist]

Mushashi always survive the boss, Soyuz not consistent sometimes dies and sometimes survive

[icy mist]

Thats the free skin

[ancient ridge]

Imma be honest

[hollow gust]

I don't like using haku nano in campaign

[ancient ridge]

I don’t know how to retrofit it’s been too long since I play

[atomic abyss]

go to your unicorn
there are 5 tabs
top most is retrofit

[ancient ridge]

Thanks

I’ll go retrofit all my little ships

[cobalt rapids]

is the gear from fleetbuilder accurate? u can try fire extinguisher on soyuz instead of shell

[icy mist]

This fleet i got from here yesterday

[cobalt rapids]

yea thats the one i meant

[left cedar]

if u getting rekt by dmg, just rekt bosses quicker
the best defense is a strong attack

[hollow gust]

That should not be failing

[slow fox]

The best defense is-

[cobalt rapids]

rudder?

[slow fox]

:yessex:

[icy mist]

Fail sometimes the flag get focus by the battleships from the back and her hp goes down a lot before reaching the boss

[sweet delta]

Did you copy the gear exactly?

[icy mist]

Yah only skipped that manjuu on shinano

[hollow gust]

It has to be some user error , back then the fleets are way worse and it's still a safe clear

[sweet delta]

There were clearly more differences like afct to hsfcr, and manjuu is pretty important, and did you have zero +13

[icy mist]

Took the rikka sword from unzen and put the goldburn

But the fleet is fine the only thing failing is Soyuz like 50% of the battles so i have to use the musashi fleet

[ornate narwhal]

Which should I switch?

[hollow gust]

Would rather use Ranger instead of Long Island but it doesn't matter . Keep pushing through campaign

Higher level and max limitbreak solves all issues

[ornate narwhal]

So gear doesn’t matter?

[ornate narwhal]

Nothing should be switched?

[hollow gust]

It's fine

[ornate narwhal]

Ok

[soft raft]

right now you cant afford to be particuarlly picky with gear

[half plover]

can anyone help me with ch14-4 gear optimization

this is my current fleet setup with gear, I messed with it and changed some gear for other content so I can't say this is optimal

I also got new options like a 457 +10 and second tenrai, also a 93 oxygen torp really soon next to other planes and gear

[hollow gust]

457 is good, but you need some fighters or passive intercept in those backline

[half plover]

do I want 457 on FdG?

[forest palm]

for what particular content?

[atomic abyss]

^

[forest palm]

sure then, 406/50 can work though

[reef flume]

Wouldn't the twin german 406mm be better on FdG in mob?

[forest palm]

no, that gun is just bad at this point

[cobalt rapids]

highest threat in w14 is heavy enemies

[reef flume]

Ah

[forest palm]

would rather an MK7 over that gun

[half plover]

I got a +10 mk7 too

[forest palm]

just stick to the 457

[half plover]

okay

[tight knot]

who should i choose ? unicorn or helena ? or someone else

dont have anyone yet

just starting out with indy,port and laffey

also how should i position them in vanguard ?

[cobalt rapids]

choose unicorn from elite and portland from blue > refresh > choose helena from elite and penny from blue

[left cedar]

better also tell them to buy things like gold plates and other resourcers b4 refresh

[tight knot]

like this ? imagine the "add" is indy when i get her

[left cedar]

no, Indy is bad

[cobalt rapids]

better buy things like gold plates and other resources you want like retrofit prints and skill books whenever u get a new batch of items in guildshop if ur income allows it and u got the ships mentioned

[tame jungle]

No indy, use helena

[tight knot]

oh oki

and laffey between them

[left cedar]

with 4k guilds initial u can pretty much buy 10 gold plates 2 EL, 2 Rare and few other things it will fit, and if u join a guild fast u get acess to it, and participate, u will keep incrensing ur guilds, even buying alot of things every time that "refresh" in Mon and Fri

[tight knot]

thanks a lot

[keen mural]

how did it skip my mind that i could refresh guild shop always nice to have this channel open

[fervent otter]

Should any of them be replaced with a prinz eugen?

[hollow gust]

Oh god what tf is that fleet

[tame jungle]

No but one of them should be replaced by a unicorn and another by a portland and another by your starter and another by helena and another by pennsylvania

[fervent otter]

I started like a week ago

[fervent otter]

Lol

[hollow gust]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips
give it a good read

[fervent otter]

Should i retire my bulins for medals

I need enterprise

[tame jungle]

Probably not

[hollow gust]

There are other ways to get medals

[fervent otter]

They just purple

[tame jungle]

you're better off using them for limit breaks

[viscid swift]

Even purple bullins are valuable, especially when you get onto tech

[spice phoenix]

who should i spend my bulins on? (if no one’s worth lmbing, just give me recommendations based on their contribution to fleet tech)

[dusky cave]

Is it the Op Si special item tokens or Op supply coins that are exchanged at reset for Supply shop vouchers?

[unique lantern]

i have never seen "soul forming" before, is that just a shorter cube analysis?

[hollow gust]

Best version of cube

[still nest]

What would happen if I failed to finish File Mission before OpSi reset?

[viscid swift]

Owari if you're lacking on UR BBs
Otherwise go to the fleet tech wiki page and start working on main fleet hit, FP, AVI and reload

[hollow gust]

Bye bye

[frank meadow]

nothing happened, you will continue youfile mission like usual

[still nest]

Chat which is real?

[hollow gust]

If you are talking about those abyssals and loggers If you lose and forced to leave , that's it. You can't re enter

[sweet delta]

They are talking about File Mission

[tame jungle]

No the file zones from voucher shop

[half plover]

is DD / DDG eva good?

[hollow gust]

Eh

[soft raft]

like the EVA fleet tech?
extremely low prio for DDs

[half plover]

ah I am stupid, I thought a ship gives that on collection but it seems like it is only HP

but thanks seems like it isnt worth to 120 as well

[brazen gate]

if you leave a guild after maxing the guild tech do you keep it regardless, only keep it if you join another guild with the same tech levels, or lose it entirely?

[cunning sinew]

should i do PR ship commisions rn or when im a higher level (im level 30 rn)

[tame jungle]

PR ship commissions? You mean research?

[spice phoenix]

thank you

[cunning sinew]

yes

[tame jungle]

I’d say don’t worry about it too much, you don’t have the resources income to sustain it at this point in the game.

[hollow gust]

You keep it , just can't get anymore until you join a guild with sufficient number of tech

[cunning sinew]

do i just put it on the backseat or do i ignore it? i know it takes a while so I was thinking about dodging resource heavy research for PR ships

[tame jungle]

That’s a good idea yeah, make sure to set your research focus to PR4

[soft raft]

have you reached at least W9 yet?
If not, just do the occasional PR4 focus research for now

Cuz oil cap will make the grind alot more efficent

[cunning sinew]

also a bit of a weird question but whos better: agir or hakuryuu

[tame jungle]

Both good

[cunning sinew]

thx m8

[cunning sinew]

i like em both theyre 2 of the reasons i started playing

[half plover]

if u have to decide go for agir first because she is usable at dev25 while haku needs dev30

[cunning sinew]

thankyou

[half plover]

she is a really great tank

[soft raft]

they do vastly different things on top of being completely different hulltypes in the first place, both are good for their own reasons and you'll eventually do both of them (along with everyone else in PR4 besides Marco)

[tame jungle]

(You might even want to do marco just to make getting prints for the DRs easier)

[half plover]

MP needs lvl 100 for FS5

I am softlocked bc of that 🥲

[hollow gust]

Would rather get haku earlier so you can actually coin her

[tame jungle]

At that point you can just use packs on her lol

[half plover]

exp packs like books?

[tame jungle]

Wow, haku coin up

(Soon hopefully)

[half plover]

late january probably right

[viscid swift]

Yes

[half plover]

I am just missing 9 agir prints before I can move on and I will do haku fs5 when she gets that coin up

so I just skip MP fs5

[glacial jasper]

what does the hit stat on some of the equipments mean?

[tame jungle]

It’s a stat that’s used in the damage calculations that affects whether armaments physically hitting a target does damage or even crits

[spice phoenix]

wait are hit and acc the same or no?

[zenith heron]

Yes

[tame jungle]

As far as i know they’re one and the same

[stark quiver]

Acc for bb hit for cv

[zenith heron]

It should be reminded really (dunno why there are 2 terms)

[stark quiver]

Did I mix them up?

[spice phoenix]

ohhhhh that clears things up
so then its hit/acc>rld>fp/avi?

[tame jungle]

Huh

[spice phoenix]

for fleet tech

[half plover]

it really depends on the hull type

[zenith heron]

They're really the same if I could recall, its just a different term... Hit stat is the normal term

[half plover]

for example BB hit/fp/rld are the best fleet tech stats to get for BB while hit isn't prio on other hulls

[stark quiver]

Oh nvm, they’re same for bb cv

[half plover]

for CA EVA is actually best

[spice phoenix]

for CV i assume hit/rld/avi?

[tame jungle]

Yep

[zenith heron]

Usually

[half plover]

CV Rld > hit > avi

[sweet delta]

Avi is objectively worse than hit

[tame jungle]

CV reload can be accelerated pretty easily with plane choice for minimal damage tradeoff

[zenith heron]

Hit is like crit rate, so less hit, means crap

[tame jungle]

Also if you miss your damage is 0

[half plover]

thanks for the clarification

but I am the stupid guy who did a lot of avi first

[spice phoenix]

oh i thought it was just dependent on accuracy

[tame jungle]

(Not to be confused with your ordnance literally hitting the enemy on your screen)

[spice phoenix]

read /accuracy in #bot-spam and you’ll see what i mean

[zenith heron]

AL has a lot of terms of stats rly, you'll get used to it...

Like LCK which is also used in Evasion and Hit stat

[glacial jasper]

so basically anti evasion

[half plover]

yeah and hitting your screen when raging is also a different hit stat

[zenith heron]

Yes

[tame jungle]

That’s a good way to put it

[half plover]

it's alright to just turn them all into general plates to upgrade shells and radars right

[forest palm]

I'd probably just use as needed, rather than all

[half plover]

I need to upgrade 2 white shells to +13 so ig that would use all

[forest palm]

that's like 160x2 iirc

[half plover]

yeah I still got some left overs

but I think it is more useful than bringing mk7 +12 to +13 instead

[ornate narwhal]

How do I increase my tpr

[keen sable]

use ships with tpr

[forest palm]

DDs, Oxy Torps

[ornate narwhal]

All I have is laffey

Can I upgrade her to upgrade tpr

[keen sable]

that's what happens when using guild shop fleet. what map?

[keen sable]

not a lot

[ornate narwhal]

I’m trying to do hard mode

[keen sable]

of what map?

[ornate narwhal]

4.4

[keen sable]

use a second fleet

[zenith heron]

Do a second fleet but don't use it

[keen sable]

unless you don't have a real cv...

[crisp tree]

Is the rerun map going to close when the next event starts?

[fervent otter]

Is this nerd good

[crisp tree]

Oh no

I'm still 4k away from the event shop ship time to start farming

[left cedar]

considerable amount of gold ships, its just a expenssive bait ...

[forest palm]

you have 31 hrs left

[weary gust]

You get 4k points just by running the SP and all the hardmode stages once per day.

[cunning sinew]

as a commander whos lv 36, should i do any war archives rn, if so which

[sharp socket]

no

[soft raft]

not right now
only one you'd really do anyways is gonna be Divergent for german tech points

[sharp socket]

war archives has one thing inside thats good and its divergent chessboard for iron blood tech points

[cunning sinew]

wait theyre farmable?

[left cedar]

WA as campaign is always there, but WA is quite bad thing to do nowadays, majority of maps on WA give shit gears, or gears that are craftable on Op.Si or u can get from Researchs

Focus on advance in campaign, but once Event Maps are open, do them cuz Rewards and Shop have quite a gud value for begginers

[sharp socket]

yes its farmable
the stages

[cunning sinew]

oh

[sharp socket]

but dont farm them, only do so for DC cause it gives iron blood ships

[cunning sinew]

uhh ill keep it in mind for agir

[sharp socket]

gear is bad/not worth for all of them

[cunning sinew]

i might get her as my first DR ship so

[sharp socket]

except kicks, but you dont necessarily need that anyway

[weary gust]

Develop FDG first. You can buy her blueprints with coins.

[cunning sinew]

okeh

[sharp socket]

kicks is primarily pvp minmaxing gear, so you dont touch that unless you’re incredibly bored

[zenith heron]

For the Submarine Comp of U-556 META - Da Vinky - Homura...

Any alternatives for U556 META?

[forest palm]

47

it's just a bunch of strong rogue subs forming a fleet

[cunning sinew]

should i do the TB stuff

[forest palm]

what TB stuff? the TB mini game? there's no reason to do it other than for fun

[weary gust]

and it isn't fun

[forest palm]

[ornate narwhal]

So I didn’t get any of the gold ships on the current event banner using tix, should I use cubes? I currently have 100

[forest palm]

ill-advised to do so

[ornate narwhal]

Ok… the rerun banner is in ~2y?

[forest palm]

this is the rerun

[ornate narwhal]

Wait what

Nvm it’ll go to standard in ~1y?

[forest palm]

something like that

if you're not in it for the collection then it's better to just save

[ornate narwhal]

I want collection but I just started liek last week

I heard it takes like 3 years to collect them all

[forest palm]

bit of an arduous task, ya

[ornate narwhal]

It should get easier now that more URs are being brought to standard right?

[forest palm]

not necessarily

[ornate narwhal]

Why

Since u can pull on light which is cheeper

[forest palm]

it's all a waiting game, and that's all at the devs discretion, limited ships that have released up to this point won't be seen for about 2.5 years from now

[ornate narwhal]

I honestly don’t think that URs r gonna be the problem since there’s pity, but gold and elites don’t…so u can go 500 cubes w/o one of the rare up ones

[forest palm]

that is true

[ornate narwhal]

Or when they get moved to standard the only chance is luck or wishing well😭

So honestly elite/sr may be worse right?

[forest palm]

the Elites more so

[ornate narwhal]

Since there more?

[forest palm]

something like that

[ornate narwhal]

Ok

[viscid swift]

The issue isn't necessarily gonna be the URs but just the ships that are added last

You could pretty easily sweep most of the ships in around 2 years give or take

But some ships are part of just random events that devs seemingly forget about

Best example is Urunami

[crisp tree]

Is the next banner gonna have any northern parliament ships?

[viscid swift]

First ran in 2020, then ran just once since in 2023

[viscid swift]

On rate up no, in the pool 50/50 chance

[crisp tree]

Sad, Need one more northern ship for a PR ship I'm eyeing

[viscid swift]

You should get enough with perma stuff

[crisp tree]

are chapayev and Tallinn the only Perma northern ships rn?

Or am I missing someone

[jaunty vault]

missing a lot

[forest palm]

what pool do Frigates even pull from?

[viscid swift]

I don't remember

[forest palm]

[sweet delta]

Flasher is better

[jaunty vault]

thats not even all of them

[viscid swift]

Non gacha I should say

[jaunty vault]

[viscid swift]

Heavy based on last year

[crisp tree]

Where can I access that page? That's gon be useful in the future

[viscid swift]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleet_technology#sn

[crisp tree]

Alright thanks

[jaunty vault]

/guide in bot spam, guide compendium, fleet tech guide, tech points

[stark quiver]

Is around 80k event pts farmable in one week

[sweet delta]

Considering that some people get 500k in 3 weeks

[jaunty vault]

what about in a day

[zenith heron]

Thanks, it might be because it can do something in OpSi, I wonder if the Wolf Pack also has some OpSi bonuses

[stark quiver]

Since macros aren’t allowed, no sleep it is

[sweet delta]

What are you asking?

[forest palm]

this game truly isn't that demanding

[weary gust]

He was replying to an earlier answer to his question without using the reply button.

[storm heron]

just wait until they powercreep right after rerun

[stark quiver]

1 week to get 5~ hvars, I’d hope it isn’t too demanding lol, not rly abt pts, more like how much i can grind

[forest palm]

HVAR getting powercrept is on the table

[stark quiver]

5 la9

[forest palm]

I don't think La 9 outperforms HVAR

BF-109G for sure

[left cedar]

iirc, no La-9 dont outpeform HVAR... but is 2nd best in Light ...

who knows some one lacks HVAR, can flex it with La-9

[forest palm]

[glossy wolf]

Quick question, should I change vestal(AA) for Essex in the boss fleet?

[forest palm]

it would certainly be an improvement

[wary shoal]

Can anyone recommend an IB focused fleet for Operation Siren? Got both Bismarcks and practically all of the ships. If that synergy works I mean.

[stark quiver]

Bismarck Zwei, Ulrich, Fdg
agir,felix(i guess idk),hinden
i hate this fleet, but here you go

[zenith heron]

Just asking who is a good replacement for u556 meta if I don't have her but I have Da Vinky and Homura

Also, who has better prio? Guam or Mog? (Any Content)

[stark quiver]

guam

[wary shoal]

Yeah trying to eek out synergy since I have a Sakura ooga booga CV fleet from the new Amagi

[ornate narwhal]

When should I start upgrading a second fleet?

[stark quiver]

what chapter are you at?

[forest palm]

world 9, you'll certainly need it at 10

[ornate narwhal]

5, but my units are all lvl 80+

[stark quiver]

just saying, faction fleets have like minimal synergy, and are very

[sweet delta]

@zenith heron if you have Guam then you probably have flasher, and flasher is the second best solo sub after homura

[idle carbon]

Ch 12 - 4 Help

[left cedar]

Have to be only KMS ?

Bis2/FdG/UvH
Agir/Emden/Hindy

the best output u can do with KMS and without SSs or Planes to wreck ur ass

[stark quiver]

emden gud?

[zenith heron]

Luck did not give me Flasher sadly...

[stark quiver]

not even luck, its in the shop

[left cedar]

Buff FP of others KMS in exchange of a lil HP, for Bosses fights can be gud witthout a healer, but if u planning a Mobbing specially in Op.Si isnt a thing

[zenith locust]

Will the new augment modules be permanent?

[zenith heron]

I guess ignored her for Laffey 2 and Guam's gun

[storm heron]

maybe they are unlucky not to have time grinding the event

[stark quiver]

unfortunate indeed

[zenith heron]

December is a really a busy holiday for me, so no time...

[stark quiver]

ah, makes sense

[primal silo]

understandable
I didn't get a second copy of laff2

[zenith heron]

I guess I am sticking with u 47 then, considering I have Archerfish being grinded while having a Maxed Akutan, but Akutan too fast to retreat, so I had to find a good alternative, unless I go full Wolf Pack Submarine fleet

[wary shoal]

The grind for mk3’s is a cruel one unfortunately

[low hull]

help, any good tank/support VG ship for a CV fleet in OpSi??

[stark quiver]

guam, kazagumo,sirius

[low hull]

best aux gear for guam??

[left cedar]

depending on wut u gona do
but a "general" it will be Rudder/Toolbox
in Bosses generally it will be Rudder/EVA Gear

[stone sluice]

After +13ing several quad mags, is it ok to +13 bidder and G7? Or do torp gold plates have a better use?

[left cedar]

its okay +13 Bidders and G7Es for ur SSs

if u manuel and Nuke TRP Fleet, them u can take in consideration Straight TRP

[weary gust]

Do we have a down week after maint or are we starting right up with a new event?

[left cedar]

start in next maint, so no deadweek

[forest palm]

we're actually getting a double banner after maint

first wave of Tempesta will have their own rate up alongside the new wave

[atomic abyss]

2 separate banners yeah

[stark quiver]

wait what?
so og tempesta has its own banner, and new tempesta has one too?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

CN patch notes says 2 banners

[stark quiver]

oh god
will the cats also be there

[wind hazel]

that's good

[atomic abyss]

@stark quiver

Good to see last year's ghost ship is still in the shop

[barren tapir]

whoa, 2 banners?

[stark quiver]

~~wheres drake the cat ~~

[wind hazel]

wait, so banner 1 share all the ships, while banner 2 only old ships?

[barren tapir]

all new ship w/ rateup + old ship no rateup, and banner 2 is old ship w/ rateup

[vale spindle]

collab reruns have similar structure

[barren tapir]

proceeds to spend all my cubes

[wind hazel]

scammaz

[forest palm]

let's go gambling

ah dangit!

[versed egret]

Ello. New player here. Any tips for grinders?

[sharp socket]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips read this for a start

[barren tapir]

game is a marathon, not a sprint. don't try to rush stuff, take it at a comfortable pace and enjoy the journey

[versed egret]

Ur's are a trap. How the hell i got two???

[stark quiver]

thats if you pull on the permanent pool for Ur's

[barren tapir]

they're a trap in the sense that as a new player you cant limitbreak them easily and you should prioritize UR bulins for upcoming URs anyway since they're stronger

[versed egret]

I got these yesterday

[stark quiver]

yea thats luck, but also a bad idea

[keen sable]

because you get them for free by playing the game

[barren tapir]

congratz, you've used up all your luck now. also don't pull permanent banner anymore outside of 1 light build a day for the daily mission

[versed egret]

Oh. Now what do i do with them? Bruh

[barren tapir]

we have multiple events coming quick

[sharp socket]

bench

[versed egret]

Is it worth to invest them?

[sharp socket]

use the newbie fleet reco

[keen sable]

you have nothing to invest

[barren tapir]

just ignore them for now

[versed egret]

Kk

[barren tapir]

if you ever have a bulin surplus you can consider investing into them but wouldnt recommend it for a long while (and besides, shinano is the best perm UR currently anyway)

[left cedar]

he is a begginer from wut seens... so i he will have resourcers to invest in URs

[keen sable]

that's not the first guilio cesare

[left cedar]

just follow the newbie tips, keep doing ur daillys and weeklys, focus on reach W9-W12 but dont ignore Events, cuz Rewards and Shop are valuable

[versed egret]

I gambled first way into the game 💀 my bad

[left cedar]

Elbe and NJ, Giulio ... i dint know Elbe its on Heavy

[barren tapir]

they probably built from multiple pools. elbe is special

[keen sable]

it's a combo open

[still nest]

Do I need another Wyvern ? Or craft UR AA?

[stark quiver]

1 more wyvern

[sharp socket]

the 1 tenrai is mildly concerning but wyvern next, then UR AA when needed

[still nest]

I'm at 46/50

[tropic tusk]

am i seeing wrong or are old tempest ship also available? but not all of them

nice now hope the missing ones will be somehow buyable

[still nest]

For the 3rd CV ?

[stark quiver]

the ships from old tempesta will be in pool
mary celeste will be in shop

[tropic tusk]

so all will be in pool?beside those shop ones

[stark quiver]

around 3 wyverns cuz you have 2 fleets for campaign, last slot can be filled by either wyvern or breguet

[stark quiver]

no cuz mary celeste in shop

[still nest]

Brequet? It's my first time hearing this

[stark quiver]

/wiki breguet

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Bréguet_Br.810

[tropic tusk]

oh so now we got 2 tempets thats in shop right?

[stark quiver]

it would appear so

[tropic tusk]

nice thx

[still nest]

Are those really used?

[wind hazel]

when you don't have wyvern, yes

[stark quiver]

less cracked wyvern basicallly

[still nest]

I would just buy the other plane I guess to prepare for another wyvern if that's the case? Spending core data kinda waste(?) I don't know, I am not a veteran pls help me

[stark quiver]

i mean depends which resources you have more of

[wind hazel]

and also depend on what kind of content you wanna tackle

[stark quiver]

i used core data to get my wyverns cuz i had all i needed

[wind hazel]

personally i dont think buying breguet is that worth

[still nest]

But why suggest it? 😭

[stark quiver]

cuz its a budget wyvern

[wind hazel]

we don't know if you have it in your inventory or not, since it was an event item

[keen sable]

tryhards gotta try hard

[stark quiver]

if no wyvern > breguet
if yes wyvern > no breguet

[wind hazel]

if you have it, use it. otherwise just use gold barracuda until you got another wyvern

[still nest]

Oh, I don't have it I just came back

[wind hazel]

then use barracuda

use this as a rough guideline on your selector #gameplay-help message

[frank pulsar]

tempesta update is tmr right?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[elfin hollow]

quick question, if i scrap a limit-broken ship will i keep the research points? i don't want all of these gray ships

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[elfin hollow]

ty

[atomic abyss]

Fleet tech is a milestone system

[stoic tulip]

So tempesta will feature a ship rerun from last year as well?

[atomic abyss]

Taken from CN patch notes

[stoic tulip]

Are any of the season 1 ships relatively good or were they all collection tier?

[weary gust]

Helena, Enterprise, Unicorn are all still used.

[soft raft]

huh wdym Season one?

[weary gust]

If you meant Tempesta ships they're all useless except for Royal Fortune memeing the sub daily.

[stark quiver]

but thats also kinda useless lol cuz you wwnna do lvl 65s

[tawdry snow]

how can I get that black flag/oranges item for royal fortune?

[eternal moth]

They'll probably be available Thursday

[tawdry snow]

ohh, must be event locked then, but kinda weird since I remember finishing that event, oh well

[keen sable]

there's no saving neptune currently but the rest are usable to relatively good

[eternal moth]

Ibuki and Izumo's augments both made them pretty good, and Monarch's been usable since introduction

Roon's popular, but nowadays used mostly for KMS fleet tech points

[tawdry snow]

what about those red/black main torpedos? do I craft them from daily raids?

[eternal moth]

You make them in the gear lab. Eagle Union torps

[keen sable]

If you only have RF then wrong event

[eternal moth]

Although it's from weekly raid, not daily, IIRC

[tawdry snow]

was there more than one tempesta event? damn

[still nest]

Yeah we missed that one

[eternal moth]

Yeah, there have been 2. One last year and one the year before

[frank pulsar]

yes, the second one had sao martinho and other sailing frigates

[eternal moth]

Yep, one of the only ships I'm missing, so I'm really looking forward to this event

[tawdry snow]

are all tempesta ships like RF? subs but always above water

[eternal moth]

Nope, different functions

Sao martinho, for example, is a main fleet ship

[tawdry snow]

ah got it, I only ever use RF for the weekly raids, she just stomps them. But apart from that my SSs are kinda weak. Is there an SS tierlist?

[eternal moth]

Flasher/Archerfish/Albacore or one of the wolfpack groups, but I don't remember the best combo. https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/main/ss

[signal pollen]

how do I clear azur lane cache on iOS?

[sweet delta]

Wait a few weeks and there may be one

[tawdry snow]

please explain

bruh. I have a question regarding PVP. I played priconne before and in order to get the first time rewards for reaching certain PVP rank milestones you had to ask the pvp mafia so that they let you through by lowering their defenses. Does that exist as well on AL?

[stark quiver]

what
and no

pvp is
you make a fleet for pvp > you use the fleet to fight whoever u choose to fight on the screen > you win > get the pvp points > get your leaderboard rank up
further questions can be answered in #pvp

[willow dock]

Will their be select construction along with new tempesta special build?

[strong tartan]

a wishing well? no

[tawdry snow]

i know that, I just said it because I started at the Amagi server and it is basically impossible for me to get to high ranks (everyone has 125lvl 200aff ships)
and it seems it is called colluding here instead of mafias. At least it is frowned upon doing that.

[stark quiver]

thats js being p2w
and its not rly frowned upon

ive gotten around top 50 with non oathed ships

[tawdry snow]

ah got it, I'll just keep my oathed bulin def fleet then

[stark quiver]

pvp chnnel is always smoking something
also defense fleet doesnt rly matter, a lot of people just run memes

[tawdry snow]

ah yes, the all UR meme fleet
it could be worse I guess if the rewards for pvp were cubes

[sweet delta]

If you feed away drake, kidd, or bellamy now, can you reobtain them in the event?

[eternal moth]

I just run a waifu fleet.

[forest palm]

actually caring about pvp

[frank pulsar]

thats a pretty weak fleet you shouldnt have much issues with a proper vanguard
also #pvp next time

[keen mural]

In cruise mission you get some sort of rewards after getting over 100 levels?

[frank pulsar]

iirc no

[keen mural]

[forest palm]

cruise already gives plenty of resources as is

[coarse heron]

You can’t clear caches on iOS

[forest palm]

inferior operating system

[keen mural]

Yeah I know is just that with all the mission you go over 100 levels so I thought there was some sort of extra

[coarse heron]

That’s because you don’t need to but that’s not an argument for GPH

[polar lion]

Pvp important for Purins no?

[forest palm]

indirectly, yes

[keen mural]

Is there a list of the equipment you can get from each faction box?

[cobalt rapids]

/wiki tech pack

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Tech_Pack
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/T3_Sakura_Tech_Pack_(Display_Sample)

Oct 23, 2024, 5:54 AM

[coarse heron]

You can get a Purin roughly every 2 weeks from PvP yeah

[forest palm]

it lasts for 2 months, you need about 6 weeks worth of missions to complete it as an F2P, the way the cruise functions is so people aren't struggling to complete every mission possible

especially for people that come in late, or don't have the time to play consistently

[polar lion]

We can go over lvl100 in cruise pass?

[forest palm]

nope

[heavy narwhal]

Hello guys, I have 3 Dragon Empery front-line ships. All of them are at level 125. When grinding EXP for PR ship, do these ships still contribute EXP or not?

[frank pulsar]

/prgrind yes

[odd root]

Does __ count for Shipyard Combat Data Collection EXP?

Yes

• Combat in Main Campaign, Events, Operation Siren
• Ships that are level capped for any reason, if the EXP otherwise would count. Even if you see +0.
• Muse (µ) ships and loli ships, if the faction matches.
• Use faction filters in Dock to double check.

No

• EXP from Exercise, Dorm, EXP Data Packs, Commissions.
• META ships. They are META faction, not the faction of their normal counterparts.

[blissful atlas]

is it worth using the proto 310 over 3x 305ur to get the skill bonus on Azuma?

[heavy narwhal]

ty sir

[sweet delta]

It's worth waiting for her to get to fs5 before using her

[forest palm]

if Azuma is Fate Sim 5 then you are not constrained to the 310, and it's most so a choice based on the enemy you fight

[coarse heron]

5 weeks, I’m at 87/100 right now after finishing all the week 4 missions

[forest palm]

I know what I said

[coarse heron]

Of course I cheated a bit with the weekly missions points since you can earn more than 1000 per week so I got 4000 points a week early

[forest palm]

week 5 isn't enough you need about 2 ~ 3 missions from week 6

I said "about, not "exactly"

[nimble leaf]

This ship or long island

[cobalt rapids]

neither

preferably

[coarse heron]

Bait used to be believable

[nimble leaf]

Hmm

[frank pulsar]

use unicorn if you need a healer, no reason to spend gold bulin on a ship thats worse than her

[nimble leaf]

I had unicorn

And long island

[cobalt rapids]

keep them till u find a good long island replacement

[frank pulsar]

then you wont need more healers until youre at late campaign
also, you can replace long island with like enterprise, saratoga or ranger

[cobalt rapids]

like sara

[nimble leaf]

Ranger??

[frank pulsar]

ranger is your last resort, but yes shes better than long island

[nimble leaf]

Ok

[icy cave]

What are the drop rates for ssr ships on maps

[frank pulsar]

/droprate we dont know

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Q: What are the drop rates for __?
A: Map drop rates are unknown and cannot be datamined, due to being server-side. The only one known is 0.75% for Akagi/Kaga (individually) on 3-4. Community data collection suggests the other gold ship drop rates are somewhat similar, however.

Q: Then where should I farm for __?
A: Farm the highest map you can for it. Higher stages give more EXP, upgrade parts, equipment, and shop currency. Community data collection suggests the drop rates are also probably higher on higher worlds.

[elfin hollow]

🤏 about this high.

[icy cave]

Houston2 come home pls

[cobalt rapids]

i can sacrifice 1 bellamy for science

[still nest]

Is houston2 good?

[cobalt rapids]

tech when u reach her, average otherwise

[silk harness]

Who can equip this

[keen mural]

Is there a way to know when you'll get an affinity mission?
Till now I got only shimakaze and nelson mission but other ship are also maxed on affinity or at least I think so and no sign of a related mission, am I missing something?

[forest palm]

Halford, overall useless

[shell willow]

some characters have it, some dont, its predefined. idk if wiki has a list or not though

[keen mural]

Ah ok, thanks maybe the others just don't have one

[shell willow]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Category:Character_Memories oh there is a list

[keen mural]

Oh even better, thanks

[verbal thistle]

Anything I can do to help Haku not completely airball her last volley in the Nagato Meta fight?

I'm like 2 BP's shy of a 2nd Tenrai.

[plain saffron]

Stopper/slower

[verbal thistle]

I swapped out a Steam Catapult to try to delay her airstrike to no avail.

I'm using Musashi as flag atm.

[plain saffron]

Or use mogador to stop enemy on 3rd launch

[verbal thistle]

Hm, okay. Thank you. I'll give that a go.

[plain saffron]

Though you need to time to specific cd time

Which i forgot. 22.something

[reef flume]

Isn't that hard to do?

[plain saffron]

Not if you time

She only need to sync with 3rd one, not all

Also still rng

[sharp socket]

you need some cv rld for it, and the right planes

[reef flume]

Imo it's easier to sync her slashing attack with BBs

Imo

[fickle hollow]

should i farm Aichi B7A Ryusei for Shinano/Amagi?

[elfin hollow]

Get it from research.

[fickle hollow]

not enough blueprints

[sharp socket]

gearlab it if you want

[wary shoal]

This is my current main sub fleet, is it worth it to start training up Flasher, Homu, Albacore, and/or U-556 meta?

[sharp socket]

since 125 imo just leave it as it is, no need to level another sub fleet to 120/5

[wary shoal]

Thanks, had the others skills maxed at some point but the amount of exp needed would’ve been a sink

[wind hazel]

grab u-37 from merit shop

she would be an upgrade replacing the middle one

🫃🏼 gl hf raising sub

[wary shoal]

Mostly just using them to eek out the last bit of damage for OS and not need to repeat as often for the tarrot sirens

[wind hazel]

then it's entirely up to you. you can achieve that without using sub at all

[coarse heron]

move U-101 off of flag imo, her skill means her geometric accuracy is a lot better when off-flag compared to other subs (and also doesn't need a pressure hull when off-flag)

[thorn tartan]

i pulled some but didn't get roma...... how long until she is put into a pool or shop?

[coarse heron]

at least a year

[tame jungle]

this is the rerun, so probably a year if not a bit more

[coarse heron]

she's not that good so don't worry too much

[thorn tartan]

what is the armor of the ex boss

[cobalt rapids]

heavy

[thorn tartan]

do you think bbs or cvs work better, or a combo

[cobalt rapids]

u need at least 1 bb for requirements

[thorn tartan]

it's a tough fight. gotta dodge a lot i think

[cobalt rapids]

can auto with 3 URs and eldr+helena

[thorn tartan]

i haven't leveled up eldr yet

[cobalt rapids]

then 🕹️ is ur frend

[wary shoal]

Game is a bullet hell after all, manual can help deal with the worst movements. Or at least auto’s tendency to walk very slowly towards the enemy

[crude fable]

Between u-37 u-47 Leonardo da vinci who is better to use?._.

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur other subs

[crude fable]

That all my subs ._.

I just want to chose 1 to spend bullin on first

[cobalt rapids]

then u can raise all of em since u need 3

[coarse heron]

so use them all

it doesn't matter, you'll need to MLB all of them anyway

[cobalt rapids]

or wait for 96 in medal rotation and use her instead of leo

[tame jungle]

i'd say wait for 96

[crude fable]

Oh okai tysm

[coarse heron]

could limit break 47 first I guess

[tame jungle]

just lb when you're ready to actually raise them lol

[coarse heron]

Subs have this weird power scaling where they go from useless to tactical nuke with no in between

[gray sphinx]

should I pick shimakaze or ulrich for my UR exchange? Probably shimakaze right?

[tame jungle]

Your shinano is mlb?

[gray sphinx]

yea

[tame jungle]

Yeah you can choose whoever then

[gray sphinx]

any advantages with shimakaze or ulrich?

or are they just so outdated that they are hardly used?

[tame jungle]

Powercrept yeah

[wary hawk]

I ran out of tenrais. Is helldiver the next best replacement?

[inner delta]

yes

[wary hawk]

tyty

[coarse heron]

Funny Bunny is still alright for torpedo preload memes

[undone plover]

Would D + G focus be better for newer players trying to finish DRs and 1 UR gear or is D + Q better

For example if they are focusing season 4 or 5

[tacit mortar]

hey guys noob here. im trying to build a meme fleet full of units capable of summoning other units. main and VG units if possible.

anyone can recommend me said units?

[cobalt rapids]

bismarck zwei, modney, laffey2, mirov, kursk, tash
idk what else

[tacit mortar]

those M? are they refering to meta?

[cobalt rapids]

yea rodney meta and kirov meta

[tacit mortar]

I see. thanks 😄

[cobalt rapids]

np

[undone plover]

Did kursk have a summon as well or am I misremembering

Oh nvm u wrote it

[tacit mortar]

on another note, I am also making a MEME fleet capable of making bullet hell to my enemies. any suggestion?

[alpine condor]

do submarines give knowledge

[alpine condor]

or like whatever they are called to make ships???

[cobalt rapids]

tech points ? yea

[frank pulsar]

iirc both tashkents and le terrible have high pellet count

[alpine condor]

okok tysmmm

[cobalt rapids]

only muse ships and collab dont give tech points
well META ships give tech points but theres no research META so far so they are useless
(not tech bonuses )

[undone plover]

They dont give much tho
There are easier and cheaper ways to get tech points than subs

[frank pulsar]

scylla can spam barrages, poi and sandy both have long barrages too

[sharp socket]

backline of tempesta with lots of mgm also

[alpine condor]

mmm i see thank youuu

[tacit mortar]

if I can fill the screen with MY bullets. then it is good enough.

[frank pulsar]

6 mgm gaming

[undone plover]

Or odin with her ghost gun

[tacit mortar]

I have been using Scylla but I never notice much on those barrages. gonna go and have another look.

[cobalt rapids]

try bayard

[tacit mortar]

PR?

[cobalt rapids]

ye 7

[frank pulsar]

use like 76mm or twin 100 kai on her, the barrage is from aoa

[tacit mortar]

gonna wait for that to finish my PR7 IJN BB

[obsidian ivy]

When's jintsuu meta scheduled to be available in dossier? Do they have a fixed schedule adding old meta ships?

[cobalt rapids]

after algm and algm is next in line

[wary timber]

Also are gold twin 100mm guns good as general purpose DD guns? I have quite a lot of 100mm guns now on quite a lot of DDs

[alpine condor]

what does the valentine's gift resend do

[cobalt rapids]

just give ur gun dds twin 130s

if u cba to gear them

[cobalt rapids]

resends valentine days mail if u deleted it

[wary timber]

The Russian twin 130mm guns?

[alpine condor]

mmm i see thank you

[cobalt rapids]

or chinese, same thing

[wary timber]

I only have ... one of each variant. And they're already on Anshan and Chang Chun

[cobalt rapids]

then u can give em w.e u got
u could craft some 128 skcs but i wouldnt mass produce stuff if u only have 1 harbin gun since ure prob not that resource rich then

[wet badge]

try fdg

[wary timber]

btw does the current event rerun's SP stage have the same buffs as D3?

[upper tangle]

currently my fleet consist of hood howe, prince of wale, belfast, dido, hermione. was wondering if I should replace dido?

[south sequoia]

entire vanguard and pow should be benched

they don't really do much

hood and howe are great independently

and obligatory faction fleet bad

[alpine condor]

does mood affect stats

[wind hazel]

it affects exp gain, and low mood can lose affinity which will affect stats

[leaden garden]

Is Nagato META better than Nagato?

[soft raft]

yes (Kinda not hard to beat a shit faction buffer)
but at the same time, there are better options than Nagato META both from a power level perspective and a resources perspective

[leaden garden]

I'm aware just wanted to try using her, wanted to try new units instead of using the same units i always use

[alpine condor]

mmm fr??? so it doesn't affect atk and other combat related stats??? okok tysmmm

[keen sable]

Just do it then. Using capped ships is a waste.

[karmic pebble]

How many regroup and rest commands can I use in a day

[past jackal]

What to get. Today last day to farm right?

[weary gust]

1 per 24h

[karmic pebble]

Shit can I escape this zone then

[leaden garden]

It is isn't.

[weary gust]

If that is normal arby, just escape and heal at a port. If that is hard arby, you can't use the rest command anyways.

[karmic pebble]

Boy am I silly huh

Thank you

[keen sable]

Ah sorry was that the issue? You're welcome

[sharp token]

how long the on going event will last? till tom?

[tame jungle]

ye

[wind hazel]

less than a day

[tame jungle]

just over 18 hours left

[wind hazel]

this guy maths

[tame jungle]

[forest palm]

can't believe the mini game is a mobile ad game

[flint arrow]

secretary only gives affinity to 90 right?

[tame jungle]

Yep

[flint arrow]

how did this guy get 100 affinity on lvl 1

[hollow gust]

Special events raise the cap

[flint arrow]

like what events

there are secretary events?

[hollow gust]

Certain events have affection buffs

[flint arrow]

liek the bathouse thing?

[hollow gust]

That's moral

Cap being removed are usually blessings in a shrine, you should be able to put in romantic

[forest palm]

LNY typically has it

[regal tinsel]

How do u do that thing patch note saying u can switch juustagram and fleetchat thing
I dont see any button on bottom left

[plain saffron]

you wait until it's released

prob referring to new main UI, it have at bottom left

[regal tinsel]

Oh darn thank you. I thought it was in there already sorry

[opaque gate]

is torpedo iris converging?

[remote quarry]

Opinion on whether this fleet can mob grind 13-4 on Safe? (grinding HMS Vanguard XP)

[soft dagger]

it's not homing

[opaque gate]

nooooo ok tthx

[wind hazel]

should be fine if safe+good gear+not 1 fleeting

[zenith heron]

needs more Anti air and the only one carry that is Unicorn Kai

[opaque gate]

hellcat good for w13? or messerschmitt

[plain saffron]

not converging

[zenith heron]

always pick Hellcat for Campaign if no Pancake

[remote quarry]

Yep, Exeter dies too fast. Need to go double healer

[opaque gate]

what is pancake

[zenith heron]

Flapjack Fighter in Gear Lab

[opaque gate]

so hellcat over sea hornet for amagi cv?

[wind hazel]

sea hornet is better

[zenith heron]

well your backline is alr except for Wales which needs a barrage battleship

[soft raft]

More like don't use Exeter

[soft dagger]

why not grind in ch12?

[opaque gate]

how about messerschmitt ME-155A?

[wind hazel]

scrap it

[zenith heron]

Sea Hornet, because its on par with the Flapjack with less AA but stronger Surface Damage?..

[soft raft]

We call that Messershit for a reason

[remote quarry]

My other HMS CA's are max level, so need her for the XP grind

[zenith heron]

trash it out

[remote quarry]

I usually do, just wanted to see if 13 would work

[opaque gate]

ok lol ty

[soft raft]

Go grind PR XP on W12
It's a lot less painful to drag shitters there than W13

[soft dagger]

surface damage is the same

[opaque gate]

so for w13 amagi cv, sea hornet, saiun kai, breguet goods?

[zenith heron]

for boss Saiuns bcs converging torps, Breguets for mobs due to them being parrallel torps and being Pseudo wyverns due to passive intercepts.... Unless you are doing that for timing/syncing

[soft raft]

Converging sucks in campaign

[opaque gate]

ok thx, im planning to use amagi cv for boss, so sea hornet + saiun + ryusei is good since i only have 1 saiun

also, in general, which aa is good for BB, CV, CL, CA?

[zenith heron]

well like the person said below me, stick with parallel torps then like Breguet or Barracudas

[opaque gate]

i mean the gun one

oh deleted

[wind hazel]

just use hornet tenrai wyvern typical loadout

[opaque gate]

i mean im lvl 85 and idh those

[soft dagger]

staag for bb, frontline use roomba/gold quad bofor/twin90/sexy/rainbow

[opaque gate]

thanks!

[zenith heron]

poverty: Hellcat (Sea Hornet if you have one like you mentioned), Helldiver, barracuda

[lone knoll]

do we ususally get ship kits on the day they release right? or is it mined before?

[wind hazel]

during maintenance

[lone knoll]

okay thank you

[opaque gate]

is twin 90mm good? i just found it to be good from community tier list

[wind hazel]

can be good

[opaque gate]

thanks

[wind hazel]

if you wanna turn off brain just use roomba on all of the vanguard

[opaque gate]

what is roomba

[reef flume]

Twin 113mm

[soft dagger]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_113mm_AA_(QF_Mark_I)#Type_3-0

[opaque gate]

ooooh ok thanks

[lone knoll]

how dificult is ch13 compared to 12?

[hollow gust]

Slightly harder

[lone knoll]

do you think I should push or save oil for events tomorrow, im at 10k oil

[wind hazel]

save duh

[lone knoll]

okay

[wind hazel]

w13 is permanent, event is temporary

[lone knoll]

true

what is ch 13 and 14 gimmik anyway?

is it still lots of planes?

[wind hazel]

w13 plane, w14 subs

uh, and suicide boats

[lone knoll]

i dont have subs leveld, do I just need hedgehog?

[wind hazel]

subs can make your life easier for w14

but it's not a must have if your fleet is strong

[lone knoll]

there is a upcoming rerun sub that I think its good maybe I'll invest in her

[wind hazel]

if you mean those tempesta, no

[lone knoll]

Mary Celeste?

[wind hazel]

invest either in the USS fishpack subs or KMS wolfpack subs

[opaque gate]

is w13 fine without battleship?

[tame jungle]

i ran 5 carriers and it was ok

[lone knoll]

so triple kms sub from pvp shop?

[opaque gate]

does it have any suicide boats?

[wind hazel]

u37 u81 u uhh.. forgot third one

[tame jungle]

u96?

[opaque gate]

cuz im planning souryuu hiryuu uni

[wind hazel]

ye 96

[lone knoll]

they are all gold rarity im assuming right

[wind hazel]

yes, one from merit, another medal

[lone knoll]

I only have like 2 gold bulins right now

is it worth to get the sub or just get bulins for now

[keen sable]

13: aa boats
14: searchlights aka kagerou prods

[wind hazel]

think both fish and wolf have 1 missing from easy to access source

[lone knoll]

i wont bother with subs then for now eventually I will push on a adead week

[lone knoll]

are ANY tempesta ships that are good?

[hollow gust]

No

[wind hazel]

royal fortune can solo the daily raid easily that's their peak

[opaque gate]

hiryu souryu good for mobfleet?

[wind hazel]

you can use better ones

[opaque gate]

cuz i was thinking faster planes faster clear

[wind hazel]

like unicorn independence saratoga

[opaque gate]

i dont have inde, but i jave saratoga and uni

[blissful hamlet]

How can you know when they haven't released

[wind hazel]

show your CV

[blissful hamlet]

Datamine up already?

[wind hazel]

if you scroll up a bit and read the context, we were talking about old tempesta ships

[opaque gate]

im still grinding up my shinano

[wind hazel]

can use ryuhou

[opaque gate]

uni ryu saratoga?

[wind hazel]

yes

[opaque gate]

is suicide boats a problem in w13?

[wind hazel]

no

i dont think they exist there

[opaque gate]

yey, thanks!

[rapid grail]

yea but saratoga w/ aug can do that as well and with one ship

[opaque gate]

thanks

[rapid grail]

frees up a spot for a BB/BC for interception + focus dmg

[opaque gate]

oh i also have izumo, should i use izumo saratoga uni?

or just put izumo on boss fleet

[wind hazel]

depends on what other bb you have

[wind hazel]

ye just put izumo on boss

you should work on FdG

[opaque gate]

thanks, currently building fdg

[crude loom]

How's my Otto build so far?

[sharp socket]

does harbin have fs5

[hollow gust]

Good enough

[formal zenith]

Do you lose anything else besides exp if you do quick battle for daily raids ?

[undone plover]

Pr1-6 and Dr2-3 + haku have FS5

[sharp socket]

is her fs5 needed for her to be good

[opaque gate]

damn w13 planes are just too much

[tame jungle]

sandy retro on boss?

[undone plover]

Most shipyard ships are fine at dev30
Better at fs5
I think AvP is the only one that kinda NEEDs her fate sim

[opaque gate]

might actually be time to retrofit my sandy lol

[tame jungle]

bruh

[opaque gate]

is sandy good w/o retrofit for w13?

[tame jungle]

don't think she's enough

[opaque gate]

rip thx

even my mob fleet died without bullet buff

[soft raft]

what's your fleet looking like?

[opaque gate]

wait im 4% lol

[keen sable]

Still better than juneau

[soft raft]

Sandy pre-retro is good for AA but her damage isnt as good

[undone plover]

With augment she is good enough if your fleet and gear is good enough

[formal zenith]

Retrofit Sandy is extreamly good

[opaque gate]

my mob fleet vanguard sux cuz im short on boats

basically noshiro, yukikaze and laffey, cuz i put my stronger vangs on boss fleet

[keen sable]

You only gain cxp if you can 1:1 it. Better to just play more efficiently than to minmax inefficiently.

[opaque gate]

izumo, ibuki, ayanami

[soft raft]

what does your fleet look like
full fleet, not just the vanguard

[opaque gate]

noshi yuki laffey,unicsaratoga ryuhou

azuma ibuki ayanami, izumo amagi cv warspite

[formal zenith]

Dam. Was hoping to be lazy cause I didnt wanna builld a fleet daily just to beat the lv 100s

[opaque gate]

im still grinding my shinano

[soft raft]

Mob fleet has no dedicated tank
Warspite sucks dogwater
And kinda curious what dev levels your Azuma and Izumo are at

both fleets also have no AA Carries

[keen sable]

Eh? Play more efficiently means use quick battle.

[formal zenith]

Whoops. I miss understood.

[opaque gate]

izumo fs5, azuma still fa3

[formal zenith]

Did you retrofit warspite?

[opaque gate]

noshiro supposedly my tank in mob, and yes retro warsp

[formal zenith]

oof

[opaque gate]

i think i retroed 4 5 yrs ago when she was new and meta

[soft raft]

Noshiro mainly relies on EVA to tank, which isnt really as advisable for W13+ where if you fail the EVA check, you can easily get chunked hard

at this point just post your dock in a thread

[opaque gate]

who should inswitch?

im still charging xd, but those 6 are my main vangs

[keen sable]

It's bad but maybe not bad enough to fail 13-1 mobs. Sounds like you have other major issues.

[opaque gate]

yee, im lvl 85 with no meta gears

[soft raft]

Post your dock in a thread first
We cant help you switch out ships if we have basically zero clue who you have

[keen sable]

Like everyone but uni and sara?

[opaque gate]

oki ill post in once i want to attempt once more

[formal zenith]

Roon and Cheshire carried me to 13-1

[opaque gate]

i was hoping my shimanto could save me, but i cant upgrade her with coins lol rip

should i put shinano in mob or boss once she is built?

amagi cv + shinano + hakuryu was my plan after i finish hakuryu too

[keen sable]

All you need is Cheshire🎵

[formal zenith]

Shes pretty good and shes only at 120. I really like her

[hollow gust]

Triple sakura CVs suck in campaign

[opaque gate]

oh

[formal zenith]

Nah that aint true

[hollow gust]

?

[wind hazel]

can work for mob w13

[formal zenith]

I've been using Shinano, Amagi, and Zuihou

[hollow gust]

It's just a bad comp , no BBs , or no substain , or no stagger , or shit intercept

[opaque gate]

maybe for pvp? are they good

triple sakura cv triple destroyers

[wind hazel]

it's shit

[hollow gust]

Doesn't mean it's good? Those fleets will get its ass clapped in higher campaign worlds . Triple sakura CVs are good for opsi or single target bossing ,not campaign

[wind hazel]

using cv in pvp is giving people free win

[soft raft]

Kid named suicide/ramming boats:

[tame jungle]

cv in pvp is shit they're not fast enough

[formal zenith]

Now I gotta make a video with Sakura Empire CVs clearing 13-1, 13-2, 13-3, and 13-4 bosses

[tame jungle]

yeah w13 has like 0 suicide boats of course it's gonna work

[hollow gust]

Have fun brute forcing, still doesn't make it a good comp

[formal zenith]

Hit me with some stages

[tame jungle]

don't care enough

[stark quiver]

15-4

[strong tartan]

you forgot about the super fast ramming musashi that comes every 2 seconds

[tame jungle]

i wish that was real in real life

[hollow gust]

W14/w15

[soft raft]

[tame jungle]

w13 and probably w12 are the exception where you can get away with 3cv in mob

[formal zenith]

Ima do it

[hollow gust]

[wind hazel]

have fun

[tame jungle]

even then it's kinda ass since they're soooooo sloooooowwwww

[strong tartan]

Have fun doing that

[formal zenith]

With an all sakura empire team

[tame jungle]

and there's 0 damage spread either