gameplay-help

[keen sable]

is gral someone in rl?

[plain saffron]

Ouh TB i thought vanguard

[deft plume]

er, to be more specific, not during battle, I'm currently changing formations/fleets around

[keen sable]

you can fake a torp in either of the calculators

[deft plume]

got it, so i have to do it outside of the app, thanks!

[stone cradle]

Alright thanks! I'll see what I can do I thought it was similar to a 18/20sec bb thing

[keen sable]

for matching if you know there's no reload involved just look at gear tab

but reload skills need a calculator or someone to tell you an approximate offset

[deft plume]

yeah, trying to get reloads down, have had issues with them firing at 3 different times

[sweet delta]

There are complex skills or game loop artifacts that may explain some weird things

[fervent hearth]

if im tech fleet grinding right should i just use 11 - 4 for xp and not 12 - 4 erm what da sigma

[wind hazel]

it's either 12-1 or 12-4

[ivory linden]

wouldn't the ideal be 13-1 in safe because of more cog chips?

[plain saffron]

If you can use your fleets there sure

[stark quiver]

would added tenrai likely be using t3 ords

[soft raft]

considering that previous research UR Gear has used ords when added, most likely yeah

[viscid swift]

considering the 457 and Drake gun both use Ords as well as most PR gear yes

[stark quiver]

no more spearfish

[little tree]

Is chapyev good ?

[tropic tusk]

do i need more then 1?

[keen sable]

sometimes you need them. sometimes you don't

[tropic tusk]

how about this

[keen sable]

buy what you need

[sweet delta]

Top 10 personal DPS among CLs I suppose. Whether that's good for you

[little tree]

Are they good for opsi or w15?

[sweet delta]

Ok and no

[tropic tusk]

ok

[forest palm]

[fervent hearth]

Yes my lord Mori it will be done

[zenith locust]

should I use shimanto on ch13 14 and 15?

[stark quiver]

you could, and she'll do good

[steep estuary]

Can someone explain how come my amagi dmg looks different from others? Is it because that the affinity is not maxed and not 125 lvl yet? I’ve compared 125lvl max affinity Amagi with mine, I think it’s 12 AVI less

[viscid swift]

you're forgetting level Advantage in there

[steep estuary]

Owh wait

I totally forgot that thanks for reminding me

[versed sentinel]

is Sam's +13 priority guide still up to date?

[hollow gust]

It's good enough

[blazing shale]

did they change the cruise pass rewards?

[vivid veldt]

how do i handle chapter 14?

[blazing shale]

/w14

[vivid veldt]

?

[stark quiver]

asw, more damage, more ehp

[tropic tusk]

there is only 15

[tropic tusk]

best just make threads and ask someone help u build team

how come theres a video there does it means i can watch ads to get it or does it mean theres animation when i use it?

if only it was watch ads i would watch it even if its 5 min long

[blazing shale]

this is the best torp now right?

[stark quiver]

best magnetic torp

[blazing shale]

yeah so best torp

[eager mulch]

no

[stark quiver]

best torp prolly shima yea?

[blazing shale]

whats the other torp used for?

[eager mulch]

something like that

[blazing shale]

shima torp? wdym

[eager mulch]

UR quintuple 610mm

[reef flume]

There are also non homing torp

[stark quiver]

shimakaze event torpedos, the UR one, but no magnetic so

[blazing shale]

yeah but what are those for

[reef flume]

Most of them does more damage than magnetic topr

[stark quiver]

🕹️

[vivid veldt]

Chapter 14/15 team building

[tropic tusk]

is that torp in wararchrive?

[white bronze]

How to change from night to day in 3d dorm?

[blazing shale]

UR event

[tropic tusk]

rip

[stark quiver]

not at the moment, kinda just gone

[tropic tusk]

rip

[undone plover]

it will probably be added to gear lab since that is what happened to NJ gun

not that u should care no one uses it for anything besides manual

[stark quiver]

torp memes, but even so, tea torps might be better

[still rock]

chat do we know the next banner

[stark quiver]

no

[tame jungle]

no

[candid wolf]

Is this still accurate/relevant?

[stark quiver]

no

oil cap exists now in higher stages, if you were to farm lower stages
youd probably run
ranger, cassin/downes

[hollow gust]

god those graphics are old

[left cedar]

sometimes i think that found this should be harder than look for new tips or ask here

[still rock]

which one of the "new" marked ones is worth getting?

[hollow gust]

none really lmao, only worth tech

[hollow hollow]

whatever ones are locked behind PvP or otherwise not easily picked up

[forest palm]

those 4 are just 120 tech

[stark quiver]

do i see +1 bb rld
wait i dont

[forest palm]

FP → Hit → FP → Hit

[stark quiver]

=/= 🤴 🐳

[keen sable]

It was never accurate or relevant. The last line literally says the joke is on you.

[candid wolf]

?

[keen sable]

Doesn't work on jp aka doesn't work on en

[forest palm]

[candid wolf]

ohhh

[forest palm]

Fletcher Fleet was something that was recommended for CN players because CN doesn't have the Limit Break System, therefor no oil cost increase, so on, and so forth

[viscid swift]

0 LB ships on CN can go up to level 100, on EN and JP they're capped at 70

[little tree]

Wow we get scammed smh

[lone knoll]

are guys able to buy out all the OpsI shops AND the exchange shop?

[ivory linden]

Opsi shops are more important. You get what you need from exchange

[sweet delta]

Both shops have some useless things

[ivory linden]

Nah man emergency repair kit is a must

[lone knoll]

i ignore the meta shop and repairs

[spice phoenix]

should i convert these into prints for my hakuryuu or save em?

[lone knoll]

excluding usless stuff and QoL can i clear them both? i don see myself getting 500k more opsiren coins

[stark quiver]

you could

[dusk niche]

Is there a way to make the Auto-Sortie attack ALL the enemies instead of until the Boss spawns?

[eager mulch]

no

[spice phoenix]

finished PR4, should i move on to PR7?

[dusk niche]

Aw man

[soft raft]

No
Also tbh there's no real reason to go for all the enemies outside of 3* missions

[dusk niche]

Oh word

[spice phoenix]

analyze all of these, correct?

[forest palm]

[still rock]

that's alot

[jaunty glade]

anyone from the merit shop truly outstanding and worth getting or should I just be getting for collection only

[stark quiver]

eldridge for retro and albacore

[jaunty glade]

eldridge retrofit is really good?

[silk sphinx]

there's like some for fleet tech but that's very endgame

and regardless merit shop ships are typically/often farmable via war archives

merit buying is simpler/faster though

[cobalt rapids]

really good in content where she makes use of her strengths

[white agate]

do normal reruns like roma and tempesta have every time free constructions or are there time there are no free constructions during a rerun?

[undone plover]

the item needed for her retrofit was also limited from a recent event so make sure u have it before u spend 20k merit and gold bulins on her

[undone plover]

there are
expect 30 or so for roma rerun iirc

the teased tempesta will likely be a new event not a rerun tho

[stark quiver]

whats eldridge's main catch or specialty

[sweet delta]

extremely well-timed and consistently-proccing slow, huge vanguard survivability, free asw

[modest moat]

Having a chance for letting your van avoid all damage for like 10 seconds

[stoic ermine]

very very cute

[white agate]

did her retrofit really improve her that much?

[stark quiver]

her slow isnt rly worht to put in bb fleet for single targer bossing yea?

[sweet delta]

if you dont have bisz, what other choice do you have

[undone plover]

agir

[stark quiver]

[sweet delta]

agir syncs like half the time and misses 20-30% of the time

[eager mulch]

what happens the other 20%

[weary gust]

The other 20% of the time the slow isn't enough and shots still whiff.

[stoic tulip]

How do I beat Queen e meta? Her royal knights just tank all the damage

[eager mulch]

did you read the mechanics

[stark quiver]

use a meta ship

[eager mulch]

alpha I don’t think this guy read the mechanics

[stark quiver]

i might have to agree

tbf neither did i

[coarse heron]

Bailiff whack his balls

[sudden sparrow]

Nah, he needs to be neutered.

[fickle parcel]

How many BPs does Nakhimov need from 25-30?

[little tree]

If she at Dev 25 click the BP button up top it will tell you

Or wiki

[fickle parcel]

Oh thanks!

[little tree]

To be clear it will tell you how many more you need not just the 25 to 30

[forest palm]

180

[fickle parcel]

Thank you!

[forest palm]

20 → 36 → 54 → 90 → 133 → 180 → Done

[queen jackal]

how many purple bulin do u get from weeklies

[viscid swift]

3

[copper glacier]

Is there a class of vanguard ship that I can sort by so I know what "tanks" I have? I'm trying to use Saint Louis (the blueprint ship) as a tank in OpSi and she is struggling. I'm only on chapter 4. She's lvl 101.

Is it the CL ships?

[spring bolt]

no such tag
a ship's tank ability is decided by her own stats and skill, no tag for that
for new players, portland is your best tank option

[copper glacier]

Right now the tanks I've chosen are Portland, Prinz Heinrich, Prinz Eugen, and Brennus. (I just replaced Saint Louis with Brennus).

[coarse heron]

You don’t need to fill 4 fleets if you don’t got 4 fleets worth of good ships

[spring bolt]

you don't need that many tanks in early stage
building multi fleets will require you to spread your resources and they will remain unusable until ships are mlb/high level and equipped with good gears
try to focus your resource to 1 fleet and use it to beat as much as possible in opsi for now

[umbral briar]

Ask, Skill NJ decrease load 15% and aux Table can be Stack?

[viscid swift]

NJ's self reload stat buff and the Table's first salvo cooldown reduction skill do stack

[copper glacier]

Thank you. So, I've been playing since February. Just got my first lvl 125 ship this week. I have quite a few good ships. Out of all the URs they released since February the only ones I am missing are Kron and Shimakaze. I am, however, kind of low on good gear. But my depot is constantly full which makes it hard to open new tech boxes to get better gear.

[umbral briar]

So will be 30%? Or how too count

[viscid swift]

15% reload stat buff is a not a 15% reduction in salvo loading time

[spring bolt]

just a tip: you can put gears you don't use on ships and they won't take depot space

[viscid swift]

using NJ with a Champagne gun as an example, first image is the reload time without the reload buff, seccond is with the 15% self relaod buff

[copper glacier]

Yeah, that's true. Hmm. I'd like to use the gear lab to make better gear but I never seem to have enough parts.

[topaz smelt]

Better start doing opsi

[copper glacier]

Trying lol

[spring bolt]

so when you say you are on ch 4, you meant opsi ch 4, not main story ch 4, right?

[umbral briar]

Can u do with gorgia gun? My nj oath and tech maxed

[copper glacier]

Just completed chapter 4. Now I'm on chapter 5 of OpSi

[viscid swift]

here's the calculator, knock yourself out
https://traneptora.com/azur-lane/cooldown/battleship/

[umbral briar]

Thanks

[dawn crest]

What's more accurate for CV timing, Airstrike Cooldown Calculator
or https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/ ?

[topaz smelt]

They're gonna be pretty much the same. but 1 dumbass will claim it's better

[polar lion]

What's the difference between this and renhex one?

[topaz smelt]

Idk I don't want to dl another archive of assets

I got no idea how to use it and it looks kinda ass on mobile

I can say it's not very mobile friendly, too many little pop ups

[charred pollen]

What’s the best aux gear for kearsage

[topaz smelt]

Bb

[charred pollen]

So go for shells

[topaz smelt]

Ye standard BB gear

[forest palm]

doesn't look like there's much difference with that fleet maker, just prettier

[topaz smelt]

It's like near impossible to change gear on mobile

[forest palm]

ya...I'm good on w/e Stig, and Lars are trying to push

[topaz smelt]

[spring bolt]

seems this tool forgot the combat starting delay, or i am not able to find where to adjust it

[topaz smelt]

Its in there but impossible to find or click

Too many little button/prompts

[forest palm]

ya condensing all that to a drop down would just be better

[topaz smelt]

It's just too much extra stuff on what already exists

Also how do you set something to +13?

[spring bolt]

click on +10 3 times, or shift + click on +10 one time
and suffer on mobile

[topaz smelt]

Oh I figured it out and it is unintuitive and terrible design

Idk how correct the rld timers are and Im not in a position to math

[forest palm]

ew...

I unironically just used chatgpt to calc my times

[dawn crest]

The timing is ok?
AvG: 24.25, 47.00, 69.75
Shinano: 24.40, 47.31, 70.21,
Amagi: 24.35, 47.19, 70.04,

[topaz smelt]

I already hate it, click share opens the mobile share options

[vale spindle]

you can complain about the website to their dms or discord / github / whatever

[topaz smelt]

And I think the url is 5x longer than renhez

[forest palm]

August is lost in the sauce ain't she?

[vale spindle]

change the dive bomber to something better if you can, you don't need it to be german specifically since your german plane requirement is already covered by one of the other plane slots

[topaz smelt]

I'll do a mrlar ban speedrun

[forest palm]

ya that August is hitting like 20.6s

[topaz smelt]

You're better off using better planes than speeding avp

[dawn crest]

i only need to change it for AvG?

[spring bolt]

use this if you are doing serious speed adjusting later, and a side note: starting delay is not fixed to 1.5s, it is affected by your phone performance or emulator you use. as far as i know mumu is about 0.1s faster
https://traneptora.com/azur-lane/cooldown/airstrike/

[topaz smelt]

Im not even surprised

Ik summoning sickness is hard-coded to 1.5s but combat start can prob be later

[forest palm]

this is why I don't use Yorkii + Kears core, I don't want to deal with August

[topaz smelt]

just do soy nyak

[forest palm]

give 60 prints plz

[topaz smelt]

When I'm back from japan

[stark quiver]

📝

[dawn crest]

AvG doesn't have to be first?

[vale spindle]

yea, rest of the planes are fine as long as the timing is fine

[topaz smelt]

I just use in game timer

[vale spindle]

she doesnt, you just want all 3 to be immediately one after the other with minimal delay possible

[topaz smelt]

Avp prefers to be in the middle

With timing as tight as possible

[dawn crest]

The same goes for a BB fleet with Alsace, Duke of York and Howe?

[eager mulch]

i prefer to be in the middle too

[topaz smelt]

If you're timing to something you want them close

[spring bolt]

doy is different, you want her debuff to apply on the enemy before others attack

[dawn crest]

Does Duke need to hit first for the skill's damage bonus?

[vale spindle]

yes although you want doy to hit first cause of the debuff yes

[dawn crest]

Thanks

[polar lion]

Y is Bearcat better than Tenrai?

[eager mulch]

it isn’t

[polar lion]

So the table is wrong?

[eager mulch]

tell me where you can use either a floatplane hellcat or a Tenrai in the same slot

because there is only ONE ship who can

[polar lion]

Nyak

[eager mulch]

nope

[polar lion]

Oh it's seaplane

[forest palm]

I see we're revisting why Halford's Plane is junk

[topaz smelt]

but Halford cute

[stark quiver]

☂️

[forest palm]

at least she's not as disappointing as Rupprecht

[topaz smelt]

She's kinda disappointing ngl

[forest palm]

yes, but also...yes

[viscid swift]

in hindsight this shouldn't have been suprising

[topaz smelt]

Looking at her kit, you would think she would be pretty good on mobs

[forest palm]

maybe if they add a better seaplane

btw where does Bayard land compared to other CL

[viscid swift]

her seaplane options don't help but her overall kit is just, not that good

[topaz smelt]

I think her Avi is just too low

[eager mulch]

french so bottom of the barrel i like bayard's barrage spam

[forest palm]

just use 2x Oxy Tenrai FBK

[viscid swift]

sadly I am not boomer enough for that

[eager mulch]

[silver lintel]

Bayard or harbin for opsimob?

[molten merlin]

Hello, does strategic search in opsi can clear all enemies?

[eager mulch]

sometimes yes, sometimes no

[polar lion]

Wuts fbk?

[eager mulch]

shirakami fubuki

[molten merlin]

So basically if want to clear all enemies just click manually?

[eager mulch]

explorable and secured it will kill all, hiddens it wont

[molten merlin]

Ok thank you

[eager mulch]

dr vanguard cdc 2 with one ship in mob, one in boss, how many 12-4 runs will that take

[forest palm]

[hollow gust]

Only 1 +13 🤢

[eager mulch]

unoathed 🚮

[forest palm]

come to think of it kids these days will never be able to have FBK

[jaunty vault]

i have fubuki

[storm heron]

is damage reduction from safe stage additive to ship level difference damage modifier?

[jaunty vault]

just not the shirakami one

[eager mulch]

i have cooper

[jaunty vault]

additive, stacks and counts to the limit of 50%

[novel condor]

I scrap the cooper

[keen sable]

multiplicative

[storm heron]

what does this even mean, threat level reduction decrease enemy level?

[keen sable]

exactly what it says

[storm heron]

so lethal nodes has higher level than nodes when safe?

[keen sable]

in damage formula yes

[storm heron]

in lethal, level 121 enemies in 13-4 is actually level 131 in ship level difference damage calc

[keen sable]

that would be an artificial increase...

which it clearly says the opposite of

[storm heron]

so level 121 enemies in 13-4 is actually level 111 when lethal in ship level difference damage calc

[dawn crest]

This is probably the best I can do with what I have at the moment. I think it’s okay, right?

AvG: 25.40, 49.30, 73.20
Shinano: 25.43, 49.36, 73.29,
Amagi: 25.42, 49.35, 73.27,

[keen sable]

that's actually still quite opposite to what it says. it also clearly says safe...

[viscid swift]

extremely inefficient use of resources

first red flag, I can tell this is a boss fleet but not for what armor type

rockets fighters are gonna be better than DBs against light and medium armor unless said DB is the skyraider and TBs are better against heavy armor

[storm heron]

nvm had an EN moment

[dawn crest]

Medium-heavy boss

[viscid swift]

yeah no
move the Tenrai in Amagi's 2nd slot to Shinano's DB slot
Amagi would a converging TB in her 2nd slot and Shinano in her 1st slot a rocket fighter for medium and a TB for heavy

[storm heron]

boss can have one armor only though, you should switch gears when fighting a different armor type

[viscid swift]

AvP would also swap to a fighter with bombs against heavy armor

[sleek spade]

What’s this? I put this on Halford and she got +30%

[keen sable]

LB3

[daring light]

in guild ops, does the equip changes for support ships realtime when i change my equip ? or its only apply only when i submit the support ships?

[storm heron]

each dd has one of the three buffs when mlb, halford is aux +30% stat

[sleek spade]

uuuoooooo

[storm heron]

some has torp spread reduction, or reduced shots to trigger barrage

[sleek spade]

nice. should I keep HP on her or put sth else for big stats?

[storm heron]

her damage is not that impressive from what I have heard, so just HP aux should do

or does steam cata work?

[sleek spade]

nah she cant take cata sadly

[eager mulch]

gear is locked the moment you put them in

[daring light]

so i can made shadow gear also? since i only got limited +13... or it will be resets every time i locked in?

tyy anyway

[sleek spade]

get your girls the best gear, submit her, then change it out back to your standard build. the best gear version will stay in the guild

[eager mulch]

it only matters if other people use your ships

i give my guildmates a pick of a lv125 oathed helena retrofit with gear or a lv1 oathed helena without gear

[daring light]

i only got like 3 +13 ryuusei.. and i wanna put another both +13 on my amagi if thats possible

[eager mulch]

you cant cause it snapshots both when you lock it in

[daring light]

ahh okk thats answer my question ty

[storm heron]

give them a shinano and and a hakuryuu

[eager mulch]

i used to

[sharp socket]

for anti-heavy you can do this works on 0-40 tech

[eager mulch]

real move is to just clear guild boss with your own ships and gear

[storm heron]

woah, note the +8 helldiver

[eager mulch]

noted

[sharp socket]

timing adjust avp is simple just adjust her helldiver

i tried to manjuu with her and its more wack with adjusting the others

[fluid brook]

do we know when Yorkii Rerun is? Or any speculations?

[little tree]

🔮

[stark quiver]

between now and eos

[storm heron]

is she after sashi?

[fluid brook]

Ah right

[forest palm]

sometime 2025

[storm heron]

maybe kronstadt rerun time

[fluid brook]

Damn i was too concern about if I got enough oil, that i forgot that basic info

[forest palm]

Kron alrady reran

[eager mulch]

time for round 2

[stark quiver]

do you mean kronk archive?

[eager mulch]

3*

[fluid brook]

Well thanks that a weight that got off my shoulders

[storm heron]

assuming musashi ran when UvH, maybe yorkii during kronk

[eager mulch]

lift with your back not your shoulders

[storm heron]

but who knows

[balmy skiff]

its sushi round 2 bro

[dawn crest]

Thank you so much! Now I can finally sync her without any problems.

[timid solar]

Does doing SO battles lower mood?

OS I mean

[spice phoenix]

what should i buy from protocore after i get the tenrai and triple 406? (i already got them)

[soft raft]

if you already got at most 3 406 MLEs, then Plymouth gun (The quad 152) and after that, anything else you need

[spice phoenix]

thank you

[coarse heron]

Georgia Gun because otherwise you have to do PR2 research for a year

[soft raft]

just craft it from gear lab bro
also it's still very low in priority compared to Plymouth gun

[coarse heron]

All those ordinance reports

[wind hazel]

personally would put 457 above plygun

[hollow gust]

Just play the game , you get more then enough ordinance

[forest palm]

converting T2 to T3 should be a crime

[spice phoenix]

the spearfish is not worth it, correct?

[coarse heron]

Generally no

[hollow gust]

You run out of shit to craft , the only point of my t2 is to be converted now

[forest palm]

that is just warped

don't go openly recommending to convert T2 Ords based on your own perception, there's many things a newer player would stil need those for

[lucid eagle]

What's the best way to grind parts?

[coarse heron]

Gear lab materials? OpSi is only option
Plates? Same place you grind coins, really

[sleek spade]

But I’ve done that thrice alr…

[coarse heron]

Straight to jail

[lucid eagle]

Sorry where do we grind coins haha I'm still quite new

[forest palm]

I'm talking about Ords which are scarce, and in demand

[hollow hollow]

Hold up what is this

[forest palm]

Shirakami Fubuki, I don't know what else to tell you

[sleek spade]

Yea but that’s what I did cus I needed the proto guns .-.

[wind hazel]

chapter 12 or 13

[lucid eagle]

;-;

That's a while away gg

[hollow hollow]

Where is this from?

[sleek spade]

2020 Hololive collab

[forest palm]

Hololive, a collab that'll never see the light of day again

[hollow hollow]

F

[sleek spade]

it's ok they're not super good.

[forest palm]

Aqua, and Fubuki definitely still have value

[sleek spade]

Halford and foobs who's better?

[forest palm]

I'd take FBK tbh

sea planes are ass, and Halford's kit is underwhelming

[sleek spade]

should I super ultra deck my foob then?

[forest palm]

I don't recommend it, but if you want...

[sleek spade]

need intercepting dive bombers

[forest palm]

I don't think it'll be that crazy

[sleek spade]

one day

[viscid swift]

sounds very over rated

[hollow hollow]

Prototype F8F Bearcat (Float): When the wearer is a DD and launches an airstrike: summons 3 additional Prototype F8F Bearcats (Float).

Doesn't this actually make her decent?

[viscid swift]

she's underwhelming even with it

[sleek spade]

big sad since she's very cute

[polar lion]

How good is fbk akshually?

[forest palm]

she's very mediocre for what she is, but that she can use a DB is nice, though really she can server more as an HM AVI stat padder

[copper ermine]

where is the best place to farm coins if im up to world 12? I need coins to finish roon so i can work on another ship.

[keen sable]

12+

[coarse heron]

12-4

12-4 is also the best in general since you realistically only need 3 ships to clear it and can bring 3 warm bodies along for free XP and affinity

[hollow hollow]

which ddg is the best or are they all pretty much equal

[forest palm]

Tai Yuan is touch better than An Shen both can function solo, Chang Chun is more of a team player compared to the other 2

[atomic abyss]

Tai Yuan is definitively better if in a full fleet

[topaz smelt]

Imagine not running a full fleet in 2024

[forest palm]

imagine being Fu Shun without a retro

[topaz smelt]

Next CNY

[topaz kraken]

I just started the game, what character should I pull for and what should I do for starters?

[atomic abyss]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

You may want to refer to this guide

To answer your questions tho, any starter is fine, don't do pulls, there are other ways to get ships

[topaz kraken]

ty

[topaz kraken]

alright!

[topaz kraken]

quick question what does Retrofit mean?

[atomic abyss]

Simply put, it's an additional upgrade that some ships have

They get a higher rarity, increased stats, new skills etc

[topaz kraken]

ahh

ty

[fickle parcel]

BPs for completed girls don't show up even in season 7 right?

[inner delta]

if you complete anyone in the season focus it wont show up again if full dev 30

it will appear again later if you finish everyone

also this is only for face reaearch

[fickle parcel]

Thanks. I can finally start pinpointing Nakhimov.

[inner delta]

you still able to get all the bp when you do H

[topaz kraken]

1 more thing, whats the best way to level up fast? there is no mention about it in the guide

[inner delta]

play more, dorm, exp pack

[atomic abyss]

play more really

[wanton dawn]

are these ever worth it?

[inner delta]

if you have a lot of cubes yes, if not then no

[topaz kraken]

well I'm kinda stuck can't go any further on campaign so I wanted to level up

[inner delta]

just stay at highest

[wanton dawn]

tyty

[atomic abyss]

Grind the map just before the one you got stuck st

Limit break stuff

[topaz kraken]

alright

[hard stirrup]

what do i do with cattery? like whos a good cat to keep?

[jaunty vault]

do /cats in bot spam and read the riceist cat guide linked there

[grizzled sundial]

Give Agir the purple triple 533mm magnetic torp ?

[jaunty vault]

sure

[grizzled sundial]

Can i just equip a gold one then use auxilary that increase RLD slightly ? Wait , do RLD affect torp cool down ?

[jaunty vault]

you could just ignore the slow skill

[stark quiver]

its unreliable

[jaunty vault]

for BBs you want triple mags and goldburn (has RLD equivalent to +10 autoloader and 550HP)
autoloader isn't worth sacrificing auxiliary slot on agir as her main purpose is a tank

[bold cove]

How many cubes is safe number, if i want to use it for research?

[stark quiver]

around a thousand

[topaz smelt]

~~1k isn't safe ~~

[bold cove]

1k it is, 600 more to go

[stark quiver]

if you know youre gonna be constantly pulling/low on cubes, i wont be cubing

[plain saffron]

If you only take the super good one, 400 is enough

Like only the 30mins one. Not full cubing

[bold cove]

Like this one?

[stark quiver]

yes those are worth

[ocean trout]

im trying to find this i says gear lab and eaglue union bvut there is nothing here

[topaz smelt]

Dd gun

[rain vine]

did you read the part where it says "DD Gun"?

[ocean trout]

omg

[plain saffron]

[ocean trout]

im stupid,ty

[forest palm]

[woeful laurel]

between CV AVI and BB FP fleet techs, is there one that's more important than the other or are they pretty much equal in priority?

[forest palm]

equal more or less

[stoic tulip]

What about hit and Eva stats?

[forest palm]

Hit for main fleet is highly important, EVA isn't, however for vanguards Cruiser EVA is

[topaz smelt]

Eva is nice to have

Prob high prio for cruisers

[uneven badger]

eva just very important for every single vanguard

[keen pewter]

is scepter better than bow for carriers

just confirming

[storm heron]

bow could be better when your carrier has strong plane interception, especially because of the permanent AVI buff, but if you don't wanna minmax too much, slapping a scepter is totally fine

[crimson glacier]

i dont really see how bow would ever be better

[rapid grail]

yes in most situations
bow could be used to get some more AVI stat

[white bronze]

Thanks

[uneven badger]

why hood is better than alvitr i tried compare them and alvitr does more dps both is level 120

[crimson glacier]

and how did you compare them

[hollow gust]

[uneven badger]

i tested them on bosses

[crimson glacier]

yes but what does that mena

[frank pulsar]

did you test both of them in same conditions

[uneven badger]

leaves chat

[daring light]

where can i see future banner and rerun event?

[coarse heron]

you can't

[sharp socket]

if i had 2869 oil, and i went to do 12-4 3x2 times, why was i left with 925 oil and not 967 oil

[coarse heron]

did you call subs?

[sharp socket]

im missing 22 oil where did it go

[uneven cave]

EN is in sync with CN, no clairvoyance and no comprehensive roadmap

[daring light]

not even in community webs or smthing?

[sharp socket]

subs are on standby

[coarse heron]

Manjuu doesn't release that kind of information

[daring light]

ohh they sync now?

[coarse heron]

since like, 2021

[daring light]

yeah i play since 2020, and ragequit on musashi

[uneven cave]

They have for a while, only some WA aren’t in sync but it’s no big deal

[sharp socket]

did my oil get eaten by entering a stage

or is that included in the autofarm oil cost

[coarse heron]

It costs 317 per run for 12-4, and that includes the 10 oil start cost.

that's the upper limit, mind you, of course.

[keen sable]

you can get blocked on 12-4

[coarse heron]

so the only way you could be "missing" oil is if you started with less than you thought.

[sharp socket]

did i run into an extra mob fleet blocking the boss fleet or something

[keen sable]

and btw it's 42 missing oil not 22...

[coarse heron]

or if the boss was blocked, which would cost you an extra 42? oil

[sharp socket]

must be that then

[keen sable]

which happens to be the exact cost of a mob fight

[sharp socket]

mistype

[fluid umbra]

Is this fine to run as a mobbing fleet or is the healing too excessive? (I'd swap uni for Indep or something if this is the case)

[keen sable]

personally i would swap uni for serri

[sharp socket]

well thats interesting, so im losing a little oil whenever that happens, which would explain the slight discrepancy in my oil calculations

[fluid umbra]

I don't have serri

[keen sable]

i guess 12-4 sucks 12-2 foreva

[sharp socket]

id lose like 40 oil every 15k oil spent which was driving me crazy cause i had no idea what was causing it

[forest palm]

Me aware of it, "well it's more xp in the end"

[coarse heron]

You can get blocked on 12-2 also, it's just less likely.

[sharp socket]

isnt it my boss fleet doing the additional mob

[keen sable]

it's a mob not a boss

[coarse heron]

Yes, and your boss fleet should be having ships that need XP also.

you only need 3 at level ships to clear Choukai, she's really easy.

[sharp socket]

my boss fleet is crossfleet and acv spam

[keen sable]

oil isn't based on some arbitrary fleet designation

[sharp socket]

cause sometimes i have 3 BBs in my mob and dont get AS+

[coarse heron]

why
I only have 1 level 125 in my entire 12-4 fleets

[sharp socket]

i also use it to grind aff

[fluid umbra]

Wait so is 12-2 better or is 12-4 better
I'm making my way to 12-4 rn

[coarse heron]

12-4 is better, we're just shitposting

[fluid umbra]

[keen sable]

12+ is better

[sharp socket]

when i dont be lazy id do polaris for grinding aff

[coarse heron]

a case could be made for 13-1, but you actually need AA carries to do that.

[sharp socket]

is 9-1 the best place to grind aff cause lowest oil cost

or is there oilcap SP WA to do it in

[forest palm]

The move to 13-1 is too miniscule imo

12-1 would just end up being better

[opaque gate]

are muse ships good? like roon

[coarse heron]

Roon Muse is iirc the best muse ship

[forest palm]

Not worth nothing with

[coarse heron]

keep in mind Roon Muse is just "Roon if her ammo wasn't scuffed"

[opaque gate]

if i wanna statt iron blood, and vanguards too for exp, should i start with roon or fdg

[coarse heron]

start with Roon unless you already got enough tech to start on Freddie

[opaque gate]

i have enough tech

[coarse heron]

then just go right to Freddie

[lucid eagle]

How do you properly build a fleet and know which ship to put in what slot?

[forest palm]

That's loaded question

[deep solstice]

so i completed shipyard development for saint loius, and i can choose between neptune and monarch. which one or does it not matter?

[lucid eagle]

Even a link to the right place would be appreciated haha

[sharp socket]

ask for help

once you ask often enough youll figure it out

[forest palm]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips#basic_fleetbuilding

[lucid eagle]

Ty

[cobalt rapids]

better ask #pvp

[daring light]

oh iddnt notice such channel exist

[cobalt rapids]

dw

[fluid umbra]

What kinda fleet do I need to have to farm xp in 12-4

And is it fine if they just die because they're like level 1 or do they need to be a certain level to farm xp in there.
I'd assume a 1:1 for damage, and the other 4 slots for xp farming?

Dunno if I have any kind of 1:1 that can do 12-4 though

[bold cove]

Unicorn is a must?

[shell willow]

maxed unicorn is usually enough for damage and then rest of the team can be around lvl 80-90 depending on how trash the stuff you are leveling is

[fluid umbra]

Hmm, so 80-90 is needed

They're probably gonna be random stuff for tech or when I want a ship upgraded.

[bold cove]

Easily pump exp book to 70 and mlb, i mean main ships

[fluid umbra]

Okay

[bold cove]

Farming tech points is for long time account, i think

[shell willow]

if you vanguard can clear planes then technically you can start leveling backline from lvl 1 but its a bit risky

[fluid umbra]

This is how my uni looks like atm, is there anything I need to change or is this good enough

[shell willow]

(unicorn + 2 deadweight)

you should get a paralel torp bomber like barracuda

[fluid umbra]

I kinda went all in on converging, I need to get some resources but I'll go for parallel

I have 4 ryusei and a saiun

I'm out of plates though, so I'm barely scraping by atm

[storm heron]

if you can't do 12-4, you can try 12-1 first, which with your current gear, even level 90s without unicorn should be fine as long as they are not completely bad ships

ofc threat level is important, bring it to safe first with stronger ships

[cobalt rapids]

i recommend crafting 2-3 ju-87 d4s in gearlab over 5th ryuusei

[atomic abyss]

Only really old players should have more than 3 ryuuseis tbh

[fluid umbra]

Are they better?

[cobalt rapids]

sidegrades

[fluid umbra]

Fair enough

[cobalt rapids]

ull want all to adjust timing tho

[atomic abyss]

They are all sidegrades

With converging torpedo bombers
It's better to have larger variety as you will want to adjusting your airstrike timings

[atomic abyss]

Newer ones would have more saiuns

[fluid umbra]

I just spent all my mats making an XTBD-1 Skypirate

[cobalt rapids]

shouldnt rly craft those

[atomic abyss]

[fluid umbra]

[exotic wren]

Huhwha

[fluid umbra]

Also my boss fleet just failed to boss at 5 ammo

[shell willow]

failed how?

[fluid umbra]

I would have no freaking clue

[exotic wren]

Vanguard ded

[fluid umbra]

Fuk, of course it died

[inland shoal]

Look like vg died

[cobalt rapids]

where is this

[shell willow]

oh ye ig you can tell from the background

[fluid umbra]

12-4 boss

[cobalt rapids]

are u onefleeting ?

use 2 fleets instead and chill

[atomic abyss]

I doubt, no uni here
For port to die something is very wrong

[fluid umbra]

No, I have my mobbing fleet clearing at 0 ammo

My boss fleet was at full 5 ammo

[exotic wren]

....what level are they

[cobalt rapids]

wait what lvls are they and gear

[inland shoal]

One fleeting and still having 5 ammo for the boss? Tell me your secrets

[fluid umbra]

Questionable levels at best, poverty gear.

[cobalt rapids]

u had to expose my en

[exotic wren]

[fluid umbra]

I will send in a sec once my mob fleet clears it

God the converging torps are missing everything

[tame jungle]

yeah that's the risk

[atomic abyss]

That's why we don't use converging on campaign

[copper ermine]

Is royal fortune worth the cores?

[tame jungle]

no

[cobalt rapids]

not

[atomic abyss]

Get your shells and independence

[fluid umbra]

Cleared it, not ideal but eh

[atomic abyss]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/562/753/3f8.gif

[exotic wren]

Nice almost faction fleet tbf

[fluid umbra]

Boss fleet

[cobalt rapids]

post gear

[atomic abyss]

Why you shouldn't use converging in campaign

[fluid umbra]

Didn't get serri at the event

[atomic abyss]

Enemies just yeet

[cobalt rapids]

must be something rly wrong for that fleet to fail boss on 5 ammo

[tame jungle]

no gear

[fluid umbra]

Extreme poverty gear on the frontline

[wind hazel]

0 hit rate

[cobalt rapids]

[fluid umbra]

Baltimore is still cooking in the oven to replace portland

[atomic abyss]

...aside from Portland, the gear isn't inherently bad

Ok no your balti is just as bad

[cobalt rapids]

tbf even if not perfect that fleet should still clear

[fluid umbra]

Wait what, hit rate? Monarch needs hit rate?

[fluid umbra]

Idk it died at 5 ammo, rng stuff probably.

[atomic abyss]

She does, as do all BBs
But it's not the highest priority nor the reason we're talking about it

[storm heron]

the conv torps

[cobalt rapids]

every1 wants hitrate but mori meant the fact u stacked conv tbs with no physical hit support

[wind hazel]

no i mean your CVs are whiffing hard

[fluid umbra]

Not the first time, converging torps are so unreliable

[storm heron]

ik they are for boss fleet, but NOT campaign boss fleet

[cobalt rapids]

did choukai have normal boss movement

[atomic abyss]

Yes, they're only reliable with slows
Which you don't use on campaign

[forest palm]

the gearing is absolutely disastrous

[atomic abyss]

She barely even moves
The issue is Maya

[cobalt rapids]

oh yea she spinning

[atomic abyss]

Maya does the merry go round

[fluid umbra]

I will.... get some TBF avengers

[wind hazel]

spinnuru

[atomic abyss]

No, you get barracudas

[cobalt rapids]

[forest palm]

ya Maya just derails your TBs

[atomic abyss]

Avengers are 🐌

[fluid umbra]

Too poor on gear lab mats

[tame jungle]

(depends on the launch timing)

[atomic abyss]

Barracudas are not from gearlab

[tame jungle]

but parallel tbs safer

[atomic abyss]

They are from royal tech boxes

[fluid umbra]

Dammit I guess I keep wasting my gearlab mats

[atomic abyss]

You have been yes

[fluid umbra]

I'll pray for one then

[storm heron]

oh no they craft baras

[tame jungle]

lesson learned then?

[atomic abyss]

So best to get some barracudas from tech boxes

I'd be seriously confused if you haven't even gotten a purple one

[fluid umbra]

Wait, a purple one works?

[storm heron]

+6 purple

[atomic abyss]

Better than a converging on campaign

[fluid umbra]

I got one

[atomic abyss]

It's not new either
So you just have a few

[atomic abyss]

Better than this happening

If you don't have enough barracudas, then yes, you can consider throwing in avengers

[fluid umbra]

Nu uh

[atomic abyss]

Ok, open every single gold tech box you have, royal or otherwise

You seem to have quite a few

[fluid umbra]

Did it

[atomic abyss]

Well, could you show us your torpedo bombers situation now

[fluid umbra]

It's uh, not fun to look at

[wind hazel]

are you loaded with core data?

[fluid umbra]

No, I have 3 shells

[atomic abyss]

[fluid umbra]

I might have been staring at guides too much and not consulting

[atomic abyss]

Did you ever craft that skypirate in the end

I hope you didn't

[topaz smelt]

What content are you even pushing

[fluid umbra]

A little bit more....

[faint jacinth]

what dev lvl fdg usable?

[cobalt rapids]

farming w12

[atomic abyss]

30

[fluid umbra]

Farming 12-4

[storm heron]

no don't, not worth it, even vit is better

[atomic abyss]

Good, don't craft it

[cobalt rapids]

its sidegrade to vit but not worth the resources at all

[atomic abyss]

In the mean time

[topaz smelt]

Can't tell if it's VG dying or lack of AA

[cobalt rapids]

vg dying

[topaz smelt]

Levels kinda low

[cobalt rapids]

[topaz smelt]

And gear

[atomic abyss]

Wait
Hold on there's an ark there
Why weren't you using her

[fluid umbra]

Wait I'm supposed to use her for something?

She's not retrofitted and only level 100

[atomic abyss]

Ark would have solved your converging torps missing

[fluid umbra]

Nevermind, 90.

[topaz smelt]

There's no way that's safe right

[atomic abyss]

If you're not using ark or indep right now r

[fluid umbra]

State of ark atm

[cobalt rapids]

ark is fine without retro but her lvl is low yea

[atomic abyss]

Rip the avengers off her and independence, give it to enty and amagi

[fluid umbra]

Both are in the backburner I swear I didn't know I'm supposed to use them for something

[vale spindle]

use nakajami tenzen instead of that its better

[atomic abyss]

The only time converging is viable in campaign is if you have a slower

...like ark

[cobalt rapids]

u should stop at lvl 120 when lvling ships not at ~100s

[topaz smelt]

I feel like it'll be fine when you fix port gear

[bold cove]

Should i gear lab Champy BB gun?

[fluid umbra]

I have never leveled ships, I've been waiting for 12-4

[cobalt rapids]

if u have less than 3 and low protocores

[cobalt rapids]

12-1 is a perfect lvling place aswell

[bold cove]

I have none

[atomic abyss]

Use your protocores first

[bold cove]

So i can enchance the gun use to craft champy gun and use it in a mean time?

[atomic abyss]

It's a shit gun

Not sure why you would ever use it

[bold cove]

So leave it

[atomic abyss]

Pretty sure it's HE anyways

[fluid umbra]

Tbh all my gear is on my mobbing fleet

[atomic abyss]

From what I remember

Pre-requesite for champagne gun is JB gun

Which is HE

Just use the mk6

[atomic abyss]

Steal the rudder off kalas, give it to port

[fluid umbra]

Do I use 1-1-1 / 0-1-2 / 1-0-2 for amagi?

[atomic abyss]

Given your lack of parallel TBs
I rather you'd go fighter db tb

Surely you have more Helldivers

[fluid umbra]

I can take it off of ark

[atomic abyss]

Ark doesn't even want Helldivers anyways

[bold cove]

Helldiver, barracuda?

[fluid umbra]

Wait no, amagi already has xsb3c and enty has helldiver

[rapid grail]

1 fighter 2 tb -> 1 fighter 1 db 1 TB -> other combinations (in campaign)

[bold cove]

Im using HellCat, helldiver and barracuda for Amagi atm

[atomic abyss]

Why the fuck do you even have an xsb3c

[fluid umbra]

So just barracudas then

[atomic abyss]

Give enty the xsb3c

[fluid umbra]

It's uh, gear lab.

[rapid grail]

xsb3c is good

since you already crafted it, better use it

[atomic abyss]

Good if you consider the fact it's only better than the Helldiver because it gives 45 avi and not 20

[fluid umbra]

It's on enty

[atomic abyss]

Which is the thing ever

Give her a barracuda

Change the fighter

[fluid umbra]

+6 works.... right

[atomic abyss]

A lot more than the ryuuseis

[faint jacinth]

wat is that 2nd plane?

[fluid umbra]

I'll slap my XF5U, why no rockets though

[fluid umbra]

XSB3C

[atomic abyss]

Cos they don't have interception
They can't kill enemy planes

[fluid umbra]

I hate hidden stats

[atomic abyss]

The XSB3C aka gold diver

An extremely not worth to craft plane

[fluid umbra]

I was misguided by guides
Rather, by myself reading guides poorly

[atomic abyss]

This one is absolutely on you for not reading properly

You never use rockets on campaign

[atomic abyss]

This should work much better

[fluid umbra]

How do you guys do meta bosses then? Do you guys obsessively change your gear between doing bosses and farming?

[harsh drum]

Hmmm, which combo of these 4 ships would work better?
Ships: Shinano (Sh) / Hakuryuu - FS5 (Ha) / Implacable (Im) / Amagi CV (Am)

1. Im/Sh/Ha
2. Im/Ha/Am
3. Ha/Am/Sh

I'm more personally leaning towards setup 2, since theoretically, 2 should do more damage? Vanguard is: Agir (Maybe replace with Azuma to shorten Am's barrage time?) / Kazagumo / Helena

[atomic abyss]

Yes
Gear presets

[atomic abyss]

In what context

The answer changes depending on context

[harsh drum]

Any really. I use that setup in OPS/Meta fights/Monthly challenge depending on what the enemy is

[rapid grail]

#3 for pure DMG but you need at least a 60% slow
Shinano - Amagi CV - Implac otherwise

[atomic abyss]

For Nagato meta specifically
3 works best

For any other opsi fight, use none

[harsh drum]

Nagato Meta stops at around the 20s mark? Huh

I swear she moves around a bit though

[rapid grail]

Nagato meta doesn't move by the 1st and 2nd airstrikes

[atomic abyss]

She is completely stationary during your airstrike windows up till your last airstrike

[harsh drum]

Does Shinano actually outdamage Haku's FS5?

[atomic abyss]

Yes with Amagi

Because amagi buffs torp bombers

So Haku loses out by having less

Impla Amagi Nano is the best CV fleet for heavy armour as of now

[harsh drum]

Does that extra torp bomber from Shinano really make that much of a difference?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[topaz smelt]

Nanos buff is also significant

[atomic abyss]

Well I will admit that Haku can overtake nano contributions on med/light in Amagi comps...

Assuming you had a skyraider to begin with

And if you had a skyraider, you would have already used it on Yorktown2 anyways

[rain bobcat]

do we know which one's better for that nakhi med slot? enty or haku

[atomic abyss]

Why would it ever be enty

[harsh drum]

Really should get more Prototype VIT-2s for Shinano as well. Those are better than the Ryusei, right?

[atomic abyss]

Unless your enty is hitting the owaricrack with full rainbow fighter and db, she's not out-dps-ing haku

[atomic abyss]

The blue ones from PR7, are side grades
Slightly more damage
Slightly slower

[topaz smelt]

~~wait for her aug ~~

[harsh drum]

Am I colorblind?? I swear this is dark grey?

[storm heron]

nah aug gonna be 3x damage 70% chance

[atomic abyss]

There are 2 vit-2s

One is white, one is dark blue

The mode change is dark blue, not gray

[topaz smelt]

Can we just call the other shit-2

[atomic abyss]

A gray plane would be the BF109G

[harsh drum]

:kekw:

[atomic abyss]

In other words
Unless your enty was already carrying a LA-9 with said skyraider
No chance

[fluid umbra]

How do I farm plates by the way? 12-4?

Really struggling with plates atm

[topaz smelt]

Playing the game

[tame jungle]

yep play game

[atomic abyss]

Everything comes back to w12 yes

[fluid umbra]

What's my priorities for gear lab? What should I actually be crafting instead of dumb stuff.

[tame jungle]

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[fluid umbra]

Ty

[rose cosmos]

I just realized cognitive chips are just as importantas arrays

[harsh drum]

Yeah, setup 3 is bonkers with a single helena radar scan

[topaz smelt]

It can do more without a Helena proc

[harsh drum]

Even though airstrike 3 will be slightly gimped due to the no slow, but it's still very good

[fluid umbra]

Looking much better, thanks a lot. (Don't mind the A rank, Helena is too low leveled for this.)

[harsh drum]

Oh wait, I just realised. My Amagi isn't even 200 affection yet LOL. She can still be stronger (by a tiny bit, but it is still something)

[hollow gust]

That's a noticeable timing difference

[stone cradle]

Which plane type to +13 first for CV boss fleet?

[harsh drum]

What armor class of enemies are you aiming for? Light/Medium/Heavy need different planes

[hollow gust]

Tenrai

[atomic abyss]

Converging

[hollow gust]

[atomic abyss]

I've never seen anyone recommend +13 tenrai first

Besides you

[rain bobcat]

convg

[stone cradle]

Mainly opsi bossing so prob heavy

[atomic abyss]

It's absolutely converging and rockets

[hollow gust]

Tenrai is easily the most use plane for any content

[rain bobcat]

that's not a big part lol

[atomic abyss]

And for +13-ing one tenrai, you can +13 3 other gold planes

[rain bobcat]

1 tenrai is 3 other planes

[harsh drum]

Heavy, I'd go +13 converging torps (Ryusei)

[stone cradle]

Torps ok thanks

[atomic abyss]

You're not wrong in saying tenrai is used the most
But if it wasn't a rainbow sure

[harsh drum]

These fellas here

[atomic abyss]

It's too expensive

[rain bobcat]

tenrai might be a 20+% increase from helldiver but it's one slot

[rain bobcat]

heavily depends on ur final sync plans

I rarely use ryuusei outside of implac

[harsh drum]

I mean, the Dark grey vit2's are also viable

[rain bobcat]

it's a shade of blue btw

you can confirm it with an eyedropper if you want

[harsh drum]

Are my eyes really that bad? Because I SWEAR that's dark grey, and not dark blue

[rain bobcat]

it's not fully dark blue but it IS a shade of blue

[hollow gust]

It's very unlikely people will even know how to sync planes. Not to mention there are so many different combinations of converging . Tenrai is used everywhere

[rain bobcat]

just copy homework

[wind hazel]

that is such a bad reason to recommend tenrai first +13

[atomic abyss]

^

Goose please, stop cooking or you'll actually become edible

[wind hazel]

casual players don't boss either, maybe +13 wyvern 🧠

[hollow gust]

Whatever , not even bother arguing

[harsh drum]

I guess you're right. It is blueish

[sharp socket]

just make a cv setup then +13 the gold converge planes you use

[rain bobcat]

syncing from copying homework is not that hard unless you start oathing

[harsh drum]

Was I stupid for doing this then?

[wind hazel]

yes

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[rain bobcat]

if you don't have full converging 13 yes

[exotic wren]

i get first dibs

[harsh drum]

I mean, I do

[atomic abyss]

That's 12 other planes you could have +13

Not just convergings

Rockets as well

[rain bobcat]

ju doko

[wind hazel]

saiun only +10, point proven

[rain bobcat]

rocket doko

[sharp socket]

6 ryusei +13, no others in sight

[rain bobcat]

6 ryuusei doesn't even sync too well unless implac isn't oathed and the others are

[harsh drum]

Do you really need more than 6 ryuseis and 2 vits 2s?

[rain bobcat]

yes

[sharp socket]

if it syncs for you then sure

[atomic abyss]

The only rainbow gears I would consider to +13 quickly are like

1. AFCT
2. Skyraider
3. LA-9

[hollow gust]

Considering most syncs these days don't use more then 3 of any converging

[harsh drum]

It does sync for me ngl, they all fire off at exactly the same time

[hollow gust]

Skyraider over Tenrai ??????????????

[rain bobcat]

almos 1s

[hollow gust]

That's even more crap cooking

[harsh drum]

In a standard 1:30 battle, they all sync perfectly

[exotic wren]

Well you can use helldiver over tenrai, but there isn't much option for DBs against light/med

[atomic abyss]

Skyraider is definitely used more than tenrai in arbi/opsi

[rain bobcat]

wdym, rockets would make a bigger difference on light and med

[sharp socket]

what is a skyraider

[atomic abyss]

And idk, I rather have more damage against bosses than in campaign

[topaz smelt]

I can't rmbr the last time I used skyraider

[rain bobcat]

would still do 3 hvar before raider though

[hollow gust]

Tenrai works perfectly fine wherever you use skyraider

[atomic abyss]

I mean yes aya

[topaz smelt]

Just get 3 hvars

[sharp socket]

is it from an event

[atomic abyss]

Yk2 event

Same as hvar

[rain bobcat]

yk2 rainbow

[sharp socket]

the planes i have +13 are bf109, ju87 and 2 ryusei, which are the stuff ive been recommended

[atomic abyss]

Hell

[rain bobcat]

conv plane would probably be 2-3 ju 2 saiun and 1-2 ryuusei

[atomic abyss]

Even Sam says to prioritise skyraider

I wouldn't advise upgrading it over a gold gear certainly

But certainly more than tenrai

[cobalt rapids]

bis in slot db against 2 armor types from 3 which beats helldiver by a huge amount seems like a no brainer

[topaz smelt]

I don't buy it tbh

Some prio list def needs a revisit

[hollow gust]

Only table on that list would even be a quick +13, and only because it's general plate. Sure 3SR over tenrai is arguable but Skyraider over tenrai is stupid

I'll take 1 plane that is best or 2nd best in EVERYTHING over one that better in single target bossing

[topaz smelt]

Prob is you can't really sync it that well

[hollow gust]

[cobalt rapids]

tenrai on the other hand doesnt beat the gold planes ( rocket/conv ) at their respective armor types and costs 3x as much

[topaz smelt]

You'll never use skyraider for campaign

[atomic abyss]

Pot, meet kettle
Your own tier list needs revisiting too
So

So before you complain about others work on your own shit lel

[storm heron]

[topaz smelt]

I'm on vacation remind me when I'm back

[rain bobcat]

need to heavy boss? tenrai wouldn't make more diff than 3 conv
need light and med? skyraider wouldn't beat 3 hvar but would beat tenrai in respective armor comparison

[atomic abyss]

Enjoy your vacation away from ALO then

[topaz smelt]

Bye

[rain bobcat]

need to campaign what's wrong with +10 tenrai

[cobalt rapids]

the only argument for tenrai is campaign

[atomic abyss]

Yep

I'm not saying to prio skyraider over 3 HVARs

[hollow gust]

Jfc this place makes my head hurt

[rain bobcat]

yeah but what's wrong with +10 its still better than helldiver

[atomic abyss]

But I would prio it over a tenrai for sure

[cobalt rapids]

mby

instead bring an argument grey

[rain bobcat]

there's nothing wrong with a +10 tenrai when it's not the main dmg plane in its respective boss and +10 is fine for campaign

[hollow gust]

Tenrai has always been a much easier plane to use , it's basically best in slot for 90% of content . Why would you take that over a niche dive bomber . Hell even in medium it's timings is preferable over Skyraider

[cobalt rapids]

because marginal gains

u have alot more gains from +13 3 conv tb in st bossing

[rain bobcat]

little gain and raider is alright to sync

[atomic abyss]

Not to mention

[rain bobcat]

just use beacon or manjuu

[hollow gust]

It's not marginal gain when the plane doesn't sync cause it's piss slow even with beacon

[cobalt rapids]

the only place u want a +13 tenrai is w15 but we dont recommend +13 wyverns either

skyraider haku with beacon has same timing with tenrai 2x cata

[rain bobcat]

if rld was the problem why would everyone use it on medium and light

[atomic abyss]

But going back to the initial argument

[hollow gust]

No it doesn't?

[atomic abyss]

Yes, I would still agree with you that +13 skyraider is lower than 3 HVARs
... I'm not sure if it's lower than LA-9 admittedly

LA-9 kinda cracked

[rain bobcat]

wdym, haku on raider launches at 21.7 which is inside the sync range

[hollow gust]

Beacon Raider and Tenrai double cat literally has .1 second difference and when you consider other CVs can literally break the sync .

[rain bobcat]

btw, fyi tenrai haku launches at 21.9 lol

literally the same if not slower rld than beacon raider

[mystic topaz]

if a meowofficer gives 3asw to main fleet, but i don't use any asw carrier or planes, that's pretty much useless, right?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[sharp socket]

if theres no subs to speak of on that map yes

[hollow gust]

LA-9 is hilarious take considering it can't even beat hvars in light

[rain bobcat]

I mean I personally wouldn't 13 la-9

well I would since I have plates but for normal player that doesn't have complete sets probably not

[atomic abyss]

@topaz smelt oh to be extra specific
At least remove the new player guide attached
Like y'all even said you don't update it anymore, and people follow it so

[hollow gust]

Same timing?

[rain bobcat]

same timing
shows exactly why it syncs fine

I don't see the problem here

[cobalt rapids]

its close enough grey
skyraider is 76% better than a helldiver and 30% better than tenrai on med
and 116% better than tenrai on light ffs, more than double
u fix the timing with something else

just go 1 faster conv tb lvl

[hollow gust]

Considering even .2 can break , .1 is noticeable . In addition these skyraider low speed is going to be even more detrimental for many of the bosses that have shields or invulnerability timing. Tenrai is infinitely more versatile of a plane

[cobalt rapids]

that is cap or skill issue for not adjusting timing
considering the avg player doesnt do meta oaths and max rld then they will aim for 3 strike in arbi fights which cv with low rld and non fast planes will naturally avoid 20s 5s shields window so there will be no issue

[spring bolt]

the 2 has same priority
to focus opsi/meta more or main story more is how you decide to enhance which first

[cobalt rapids]

the only argument i agree with in favour of tenrai is campaign and thats it

[mystic topaz]

where does one usually get plans for gear labs from? is it from anywhere in opsi or a specifc mode?

[cobalt rapids]

all gearlab mats are 98% income from opsi

[rain bobcat]

operation siren, cmd 65 or 70 iirc

[keen pewter]

if my vanguard is unzen changchun helena is it viable to replace helena with san diego

[finite crag]

depends on what content youre doing but those two dont do the same thing

[sharp socket]

using for what content

[keen pewter]

w13

[tame jungle]

boss?

[hollow gust]

You need a tank , although Sandy is generally going to be better in campaign

[sharp socket]

sandy have AA and dps so sure

[keen pewter]

unzen can suffice, surely

[hollow gust]

Unzen is a glass cannon

[keen pewter]

i dont have any other alternatives

[hollow gust]

Even Portland is tankier

[sharp socket]

anchorage/agir?

[bold cove]

As a new, how can we farm opsi correct way? Just spam day by day?

[keen pewter]

yeah but the tradeoff in fp is

[hollow gust]

Firepower means jack shit then your frontline dies

If anything you should run tank unzen Sandy

[keen pewter]

unzen not even off tank?

[cobalt rapids]

clear all the shiny icons on the map and buy all good stuff from ports
then u can spam c3 or c5 with left over ap at end of month

[hollow gust]

Chang chun isn't even good in w13

[bold cove]

When to raise Sandy? I just got her from daily build and im at world 11 atm

[obsidian ivy]

How long would this take to finish just spamming gear research, it's such a sore point seeing it but I got PR7 to do

[inland shoal]

I mean eHP has her at 104% of Port

[hollow gust]

2 weeks prob

[spring bolt]

ch 13 bosses are 3 med and 1 heavy, so ddg has no advantage

[obsidian ivy]

2 weeks too long ugh

[hollow gust]

Last time I checked it was 90% when tf did mebot change it

[hollow gust]

Is your haku even fate5

[bold cove]

Im not finish main quest yet, that boss need around few times to regroup

[inland shoal]

Maybe eHP3? Idk

[obsidian ivy]

Yea I'm done with PR4 completely

[keen pewter]

i think thats pre-retro

[obsidian ivy]

It's just that tenrai sitting there bugging me

[cobalt rapids]

focus on finishing opsi story first then

[keen pewter]

ignore

[hollow gust]

It's not that long

[bold cove]

Okay

[keen pewter]

what should i use

eldridge for survivability?

[hollow gust]

Either way get a real tank, unzen isn't one

Anchor Agir etc, those two are really easy to get

[keen pewter]

mmm i dont have any proper tanks

[hollow gust]

That's actually not possible considering Eugen is free

Honestly feel free to try unzen Eldridge Sandy, maybe it won't explode

[rain bobcat]

that would fix the problem short term and is more expensive than just getting a better tank

[keen pewter]

lol

[harsh charm]

Is it interesting idea to run three panzerschiffs in one vanguard fleet?

[keen pewter]

eugen has horrific dps

[rain bobcat]

more like pretty useless

[hollow gust]

That's dogshit but have fun

[keen pewter]

good at tanking true

[harsh charm]

Well ofc lol.

[hollow gust]

.