gameplay-help

[stark quiver]

ah

[graceful kelp]

ok got it,

[undone plover]

Yes
Get to chapter 9 and then can raise a second fleet

[graceful kelp]

how about fleet 2, what are ur recommendatios

[plain saffron]

Not to be confused with hms enterprise

[undone plover]

When portland gets enough levels she goes in tank position

[graceful kelp]

i see, got it thank you

is there any priortiy ships i need to upgrade?

or ships that are worth taking note of

[undone plover]

And read this later when u can
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips
to refresh your knowledge

[undone plover]

Unicorn retrofit
Then portland
Mlb hood and enty

If u mean shipyard ignore it for now
Select saint louis

[graceful kelp]

i see, thank you very much

[fervent hearth]

does anyone know the correct like ship dock settings so when u get one copy of the ship it locks it and scraps the rest
so u have one copy of every ship

[graceful kelp]

ibuki is not part of the priority?

[undone plover]

She is okay but you should ignore shipyard mostly till u reach chapter 12

And priority then is series 4
Especially anchorage

[wind hazel]

under settings, and adjust retire settings after that

[graceful kelp]

ahhh ok , got it

[fervent hearth]

my lord mori chan i thank you

[wind hazel]

[undone plover]

If u have enough tech for anchorage by all means start her
If not pick anyone since it doesnt matter atm

[graceful kelp]

ok sure

[undone plover]

Saint louis is a good option since u are using 2 USS ships to grind anyway

[plain saffron]

Does this have any uses

[soft raft]

like besides on Huan Chang herself?
dunno

[plain saffron]

Does huan chang needs it

[undone plover]

The stats are too bad for what it does imo

[sudden flare]

opsi fleet help

[viscid swift]

yeah, a White Shell is just better even on Huan Chang

[wide snow]

How do I know if enemy is slowed by Mogador?

[eager mulch]

when she stabs them

[undone plover]

If she lunges forward the enemy should be stopped afaik
If she doesnt it means her lunge failed the evasion check

[sweet delta]

If mog mogged the enemy and the enemy isn't moving

[eager mulch]

I want to get mogged

[wide snow]

How long does the slow last? Like the whole time they're kissing?

[storm heron]

that's the root part

[keen owl]

What does the coin mean?

[eager mulch]

you get coins from clearing it

[keen owl]

First time seeing it

[eager mulch]

same

[keen owl]

Its Gone when i use the 5000 oil thingy

[eager mulch]

because the 5000 oil thingy claims them all for you

[plain saffron]

Every reset there will be fixed amount of coins adapt etc that will be put randomly on all explorable zones

Logger will collect all of them

[lone knoll]

is it a must? I dont plan on buying it

[eager mulch]

no it’s a QoL item

[lone knoll]

also my shops did change, am i supposed to buy out all the port shops?(not including gibraltar=

[eager mulch]

buy what you need

[lone knoll]

´what would u say is highest prio

Ur gear designs ?

[eager mulch]

gear lab prints and siren loggers

[lone knoll]

okay

[blissful berry]

What's the cruise ship revisitor shop for?

[eager mulch]

old cruise pass ship skins and gear skins

[blissful berry]

No meta chips?

[eager mulch]

why would it give meta chips

[viscid swift]

old METAs are in the META shop

[storm heron]

#gameplay-help message

[eager mulch]

nice virus

[blissful berry]

Wtf, I can't the ones I need never pop up

[lone knoll]

[eager mulch]

who do you need

[plain saffron]

But it gives meta chips

[eager mulch]

what’s a meta chip

[plain saffron]

To buy older cruise elite META, more will be added over time

To buy past cruise skins

[plain saffron]

My bad, the crystals in meta shop not cruise

Wait I'm dumb
Meta also in meta shop right?

[viscid swift]

yes

[eager mulch]

the cruise pass metas and their limit break materials sent to meta shop

[blissful berry]

I can't limit break break Vestal META, missing one more

[viscid swift]

called it

[plain saffron]

So only skins and gear skins

[eager mulch]

the revisitor shop is cruise pass skins and gear skins for gems

naga EN moment

[viscid swift]

you'll need to wait for her to be added to the shop then who knows when

[plain saffron]

Welp wait until she gets added

Not EN when I don't even play the game

[blissful berry]

I scream lol, thanks appreciate the help yall

[eager mulch]

is it EN when youre stuck on 11-3 for years? or is it something else

[plain saffron]

I gonna assume it's either 1 per cruise or maybe they'll speed up to 2 per cruise for first few ones like gold meta

[plain saffron]

That's skill issue

[storm heron]

hey I got timed out

[bold salmon]

best place for the first la-9?

[eager mulch]

a ship probably

idk who you have

[jagged viper]

is there any other way to get cog chips

[atomic abyss]

Core shop, w12+

[eager mulch]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/common_resource

[blissful berry]

Stupid question, is it possible fleets could determine who drops from the map? Cause Choukai ain't dropping and ive been going at it for months

[viscid swift]

no

[eager mulch]

no

[blissful berry]

[atomic abyss]

Unfortunately, rng is a bitch

Then again, you'll probably be at 12-4 for a very long time regardless

It's a really good place to grind

[jagged viper]

just keep smashing your head against 12-4, rng giveth rng taketh away

[blissful berry]

Never going back after she drops, grinding for the missing drop ships after

[viscid swift]

which will not take you forever

[blissful berry]

Bros flexing...hurt mah feelings

[soft raft]

you will return to 12-4 anyways since it's one of the most convient places to farm

[atomic abyss]

W12 is the best place to grind exp and coins with shitty fleets so

[jagged viper]

you know if it scales or is doing 12-4 only fine?

[storm heron]

feel free to have one of my 21 choukais

[eager mulch]

born to 2-1, forced to 12-4

[atomic abyss]

The higher you go, the better the drops

[viscid swift]

all I can say is, if you've really been farming 12-4 for months then either your RNG is really bad or you haven't been that active in those few months

[atomic abyss]

I think 13-4 is the best for chips to oil without being unreasonably tough?

Either that or 14-2 I guess

[viscid swift]

13-1 if you go very low cost, otherwise 15-1

[storm heron]

13-1 is definitely better oil/ chip

[atomic abyss]

[viscid swift]

me personally, I'll be in 12-1 for the forseeable future still

[blissful berry]

Maybe you're right but I won't admit it...

[lone knoll]

10pritns per day is okay for FdG or am i wasting too much gold

[eager mulch]

ok

[atomic abyss]

Yes if you're grinding like w12 for coins

[viscid swift]

10 is about the sweet spot

[lone knoll]

in 72 days she will be dev 30

[atomic abyss]

Uh wat

[eager mulch]

10 a day is less than 72 days for dev 30

[lone knoll]

i am doing 12-1 for now but shortly will return to 12-4

[atomic abyss]

If it's 10 a day, you should be done in 52 for d30

[lone knoll]

i forgot fatesim

[atomic abyss]

It's only if you want fs5 does it take 70 days ish yeah

[lone knoll]

7k coins per day should be okay if there's no ur event ?

[atomic abyss]

Might be tougher when farming events since event maps have lower coin gain
But yes

You're limited by time really

[lone knoll]

im screwed if an ur event comes around tho

[atomic abyss]

You spend less oil for event maps too, remember?

[lone knoll]

what if i dont get coins to pull pity?

[lone knoll]

true makes sense

[atomic abyss]

Well, then it's a matter of planning

When there is an announcement for UR rerun, that's when you pause throwing excessive coins to FdG

[lone knoll]

i will keep an eye out for that

[cursive lark]

Operation Siren, spend 1400 coords on 7 meta ships, get 6k gold per ships, total 42k gold per 1400 coords

[viscid swift]

you're safe for about the next month at least

[lone knoll]

how do I spend coords on meta ships what?

[cursive lark]

Meta showdown, dossier

[lone knoll]

wow didnt know this existed

[cursive lark]

It's only one time though, so use it if you're in a pinch

[lone knoll]

ok I will keep it as my final trump card for pulling

[cursive lark]

Otherwise just become a broke college kid and spend as little gold as possible when event is close

[viscid swift]

or just farm W12 consistently

[lone knoll]

i keep some in mail just in case aswell but im scared FdG will eat upo my gold if im not smart about it

[lone knoll]

12-4 is my home now

[eager mulch]

cheeky is a professional 12-1 farmer, they even low cost event stages in B1 to save oil for 12-1 farming

28 hours till event ends right?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[lone knoll]

are therte benefits for farming 12-1 instead of 4? xp per oil is one i think

[eager mulch]

xp per oil is about it, slightly easier too

[atomic abyss]

Much easier to solo fleet 12-1 than 12-4 too

[lone knoll]

is very easy yes i can clear it with very bad ships, 12-4 not so much sadly

12-1 is better if im doing the research missions then

[viscid swift]

It's also easier to use something like this on the boss

[wide snow]

The window is so short

[lone knoll]

why would you use such a team on boss ? it gives extra xp or what?

[viscid swift]

to get XP on ships that need it vs using maxed ships that don't

[storm heron]

boss also gains exp

[lone knoll]

oh nvm u level up ships on both fleets lmao

yeah i just put on my strongest ships on boss fleet cuz im scared it wont clear

need to look into that then

[stark quiver]

leveling ships for tech
or for cheeky get every1 to 120 (pretty sure)

[viscid swift]

that is the ultimate goal of course

[plain saffron]

Considering buying cogs now, can you even lvl120 everyone by buying cogs

[lone knoll]

for how long have you been doining it? when does tech comes in clutch? im yet to look into tech bonus

[plain saffron]

You do it once you levelled everyone you need

[viscid swift]

well I've always tried using non maxed ships for farming so around 4 years ish since I started

[plain saffron]

Like if you already maxed all your ur and what not what else to do

You start looking for new goal and tech is one of them

[lone knoll]

makes sense yeah, im still very far away from that level

[lone knoll]

must be pretty important

[plain saffron]

Depends on what type of tech

[lone knoll]

for oneshots I guess?

it is necessary for oneshots right? on meta fights etc

[viscid swift]

no but it certainly helps

[sharp pine]

Is this a good fleet for Nagato Meta?

[lone knoll]

you have played for 4 years, what +fp do you get from tech for example?

[stark quiver]

each bb that has fp gives like +1 or +2

[bold cove]

The event milestone worth to reach 100k points to get tech box?

[lone knoll]

so like at least 100 extra fp considering he has 999999 ships

[stark quiver]

no
physically impossible atm

[eager mulch]

cheeky is almost done with backline tech but he hasn’t leveled his amagi chan yet

[stark quiver]

smh

[atomic abyss]

Let me know when amagi chan gives tech

[lone knoll]

but still like 40 fp must be huge

[eager mulch]

amagi chan gives cuteness tech trust

[bold cove]

So when to stop?

[atomic abyss]

55k

[bold cove]

Ah okay, i got it, already reach over 70k, i will stop at 55k next time, thanks again Elder

[stark quiver]

he prob has like 90~ fp tech for bbs

[sweet delta]

Elder Ender 👴

[atomic abyss]

Where's the CV FP tech smh

[lone knoll]

77 avi 90fp..... 43rld ... wtf

[stark quiver]

so close to max tech

[lone knoll]

this is actually nuts you have like 1 extra gear slot with those extra stats

[viscid swift]

all relevant main fleet tech is maxed bascially, all that's missing is 2 BC FP tech and 1 CV reload from Hosho META

[keen sable]

max tech is probably like a 20-30% bonus. maybe even 40% from tactics reload allows.

[viscid swift]

vanguard FP tech and CA hit is maxed, everything else is a WIP

[frank pulsar]

which is why tech is important, its like having almost 2 extra auxes when maxed

[stark quiver]

cheeky how do you go on with leveling ships while pr grinding

[storm heron]

lmao only 24 cv rld

[lone knoll]

your lvl95 ships outdamage my 120 ships with the same gear

[frank pulsar]

he lowered it, the number is grey

[viscid swift]

I try to level good tech ships that meet the requirements if possible but sometimes you have to bite the bullet and level a ship with bad tech

this is esepcially true for me with main fleet XP going forward

[hollow gust]

grey number means on purpose

[stark quiver]

ah i see, btw do you use the fleet tech tracker site to keep track of your ships

[keen sable]

developing pr ships takes 30 days. and then it's over

[lone knoll]

you level ships to 120 cuz u need tech I level ships to 120 cuz i dont even have 2 full 120 fleets

[viscid swift]

yeah but it's a bit unecessary for me

I use it mainly just to see how far off I am from max

[hollow gust]

i memorized all the rld ships for backline

[stark quiver]

im missing a lot of ships that have relevent tech, along with vanguards, and bulins are a huge problem rn

[viscid swift]

I used to do that until I realized the favorite mark was basically just a custom filter

[hollow gust]

i use it for frontline yeah, way too annoying to remember the dds

[frank pulsar]

wait thats genius

[hollow gust]

wait u guys dont use favorite to store all leveling ships

[stark quiver]

i use favorites to track a certrain group of tech ships
like im working on bb/cv tech rn

[storm heron]

honestly they should add multiple favorites so one can have different ship priorities they want to level

suggestions though, not gph

[plain saffron]

Can you only buy 4 gear skin per month?

[sweet delta]

#game-feedback

[eager mulch]

I use favorite for my favorite ships

[plain saffron]

But favorite is for favorite

[sweet delta]

#al-general

[storm heron]

also search feature is the most helpful

[plain saffron]

What's al-general about it

It's to tag your ship as favorite

||What you want is pin/bookmark||

[little plinth]

since I last updated my opsi fleet I've gotten admiral nakhimov, amagi (cv), and napoli as new rainbows. which of my fleets (4?) should be I be updating?

[lone knoll]

do you use external tools like organizers or something like that? or there's no need?

[storm heron]

that's just the same as favorite

they even have the same heart symbol

[plain saffron]

But there's no pin/bookmark ingame, only favorite

That's why favorite have favorite icon

[storm heron]

there's the fleet tech tracker

[lone knoll]

I will look into it, i wont need it for now but still

[stark quiver]

is cv and cvl rld shared

[viscid swift]

mostly

there's a few IB CVL reload techs only though

[stark quiver]

which one are they?

[viscid swift]

Elbe, Jade, and Weser

[stark quiver]

and they only affect kms cv/l reload?
btw does the faction tech like the levels give rld tech?
the tracker says i have 5, and in game has 13, im guessing its from that?

[viscid swift]

they only give CVLs reload tech

[wind hazel]

faction tech give rld too, yes

[stark quiver]

nice

[wind hazel]

eu and rn

[stark quiver]

so i almost have all the cv rld ships, js need levels now

also cheeky, do you level ships of same hull type like 3 cv or do you mix them

[viscid swift]

for main fleets I mix them

[stark quiver]

ill prob get bb rld up to 11, then max cv rld , then hit

im new

[storm heron]

how do you change server name into im new?

cuz I can't, and it seems like most people here is some random custom names

[mint flint]

you have nickname perms, you should be able to

[stark quiver]

of ur on pc
right click on ur name , there should be an option to edit server profile

[mint flint]

pretty sure they've already figured it out

[sweet delta]

What are some low tech and low fleet/gear strategies for enterprise CM for new players?

[storm heron]

new players do CM?

[eager mulch]

they do, whether they beat CM is a different story

[rain bobcat]

btw

the old bp skins you can purchase after lvl 50,
do they cost gems or you have to top up on the spot

[eager mulch]

cost gems

[rain bobcat]

880?

[eager mulch]

880

[rain bobcat]

ty turtle

[eager mulch]

who’s turtle

[late beacon]

If I oath an alternative version of a ship (for example, Bismarck Zwei) will I be able to use the oath skin of the original ?

[eager mulch]

yes

[storm heron]

helena's little pogchamp

[eager mulch]

you know too much

[civic crag]

Which purple ships should I mlb

[eager mulch]

unicorn and helena and Saratoga maybe and your starter dd and maybe independence and Nelson but not necessarily in that order

[civic crag]

All already mlb, anything else or I just retire my bulins for medals?

[eager mulch]

im sorry for picking ships you already have done but you didn’t give any fucking context now did you

[plain saffron]

anyone know where else this back button is used

[eager mulch]

just use purple bulins for tech fodder idc

[civic crag]

Sorry mate, I’ve done all starters, unicorn, Sara, Helena and these

[turbid shell]

Yuubari exp skill also increase CB exp?

[rain bobcat]

legit just tech fodder

[civic crag]

Ok

[plain saffron]

Yes

[turbid shell]

ok thank you

[stark quiver]

how new

cuz i did with 3 seconds left

[mint flint]

I bought the data logger but didn't get anything

[plain saffron]

Use it in depot

[mint flint]

oh wait i forgor

[plain saffron]

Hmm does it carry to next month

[thorn flume]

What is her name?

[wind hazel]

kazagumo

[plain saffron]

Looks like kaza

[mint flint]

either im blind or its not there

[plain saffron]

Take a screenshot so we can find it for you

[keen sable]

storage not depot

[stark quiver]

whos the third one again, its the one with the lamp right? for cv fleet above

[mint flint]

[wind hazel]

Bristol

[thorn flume]

Tks

[thorn flume]

Bristol

[sleek spade]

halp. I have no La-9 and Harbiter with its summons makes my CV fleet useless for 1 strike lmao

[sweet delta]

Then kill it with the other 3 strikes

[grand urchin]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/pvpguide

is this website a good guide to follow for PvP ??

[sweet delta]

#pvp

[sleek spade]

I can't lol. it hits so hard and the 5% dmg every 10s griefs my vanguard's survivability.

[wide snow]

The tierlist isn't even updated lol

[sleek spade]

I died

no La-9 life

[rain bobcat]

whats the arbiter this month, light?

[sleek spade]

yea

[rain bobcat]

welp another takoyaki grilling fleet

[sweet delta]

La9 is mid against light

[fathom sable]

Do the event end today or tomorrow?

[forest palm]

You have about over 25 hrs before the event ends

[grand urchin]

is there an updated verison of it, or a better website ?

[forest palm]

ECTL is about as good as you're gonna get for a tier list

[brisk cedar]

Hello , I recently returned to the game and want to continue chapter 15 grind - is there anything that need adjustment here to make it better sicne this fleet can’t 100% auto this . (I had missed almost every event since Guam)

[rain bobcat]

jimmy has a tier list though its more catered to endgame and opsi

[novel ermine]

wait there is a chapter 15 now?

[stark quiver]

has been for around a year

[grand urchin]

can u send it here please ?

[wide snow]

No clue where that even is lol would love a link to that ngl

[novel ermine]

wow i just got back on seriously again im still trying to understand this whole TB secretary thing

[sweet delta]

probably some trolling as usual

[sweet delta]

there's not much to improve in terms of ships besides eldridge or dev30 shimanto, but you can check /w15 in #bot-spam for improving gear or strategy

[rain bobcat]

its pretty useless to someone not in actual endgame

[sharp socket]

is haku or nano better at campaign bossing

[rain bobcat]

should be in his discord or yt saw it 2 weeks ago

[forest palm]

If you're looking for gear choices, you're better off looking at guides for that

[polar venture]

Is hiei meta worth getting crystals for?

[brisk cedar]

I do have dev30 Shimnto but no eldridge retro

I only returned 3 days ago

[polar venture]

Is hiei meta on the same level as odin?

[sweet delta]

better

[sweet delta]

is it safe?

[grand urchin]

whos ?

[brisk cedar]

Yes

[wide snow]

What even is defined as endgame? Everything 120+ and +13? Max tech? W15?

[rain bobcat]

well its more like

[sweet delta]

i assume it's the boss fleet that dies, then at least replace ply with shimanto and possibly replace brest with jeanne (anchorage in front, jeanne middle, shimanto back)

[rain bobcat]

from what I saw his tiers are what he finds useful from his criteria which I haven't bothered to listen to

[stark quiver]

theres no defined meaning of endgame

[rain bobcat]

there are ships lower than a lot of people would put them because he dosn't find them as useful in say, harbiter or META one shots or because there's a better counterpart

[brisk cedar]

Would try it - thank you

I do have her on dev 30 so is doable

[plain saffron]

Also help

[wide snow]

To be fair that is mostly just cheesing and that is more sweaty than 90% of the player base (I think)

[brisk cedar]

Equipment something like this right ?

[rain bobcat]

his tier list is fine imo, but it depends if the person reads/watches his explanation for each ship

because theres a lot of weird placements if you were to look at it and comment

[sweet delta]

not sextuple for anchorage, and the stranger+fs4 shimanto is unfortunate but ok

[rain bobcat]

bofors on ancho

[brisk cedar]

I need jsut like 30 prints for fate 5

[sweet delta]

after fs5 then you can get rid of her triple 150mm gun for quad 152

[brisk cedar]

If not sextuple on anchorage then rainbow aa ? and stranger ?

[little tree]

how did u mange that with level 125

[eternal basalt]

Books

[brisk cedar]

Ah that - jsut couple days in my seceretary and all good

Levels with books indeed

[eternal basalt]

Still missing the final 10 then

[plain saffron]

"Couple days"

[light trail]

should i first mlb and use I-19 or get 2 cannons for royal fortune? i like RF and think she's hot so i'll use her anyway but idk sub fleet relative strength so i wanna do the smarter thing first

only got base equips on her unfortunately

[sweet delta]

keep RF in until you get a better three-sub fleet

[eternal moth]

Is there no maintenance tonight?

[sweet delta]

it's tuesday

[eternal moth]

Yeah, I realized that right after posting.

[sweet delta]

and they're on holiday

[light trail]

okok. im still waiting on u-96 to drop in medal exchange but there's never any freaking SS in there

[sweet delta]

800 core for one gun, what a scam. I'd just keep using the blue guns

[light trail]

might just medal gacha for her xd

[light trail]

is there not that much of a difference or just really really not worth

gotcha

[knotty snow]

how are you guys getting good research projects ??? All my projects are either medium to large with huge amount resources needed

[light trail]

are you priortizing a season's research? also it's random

[eternal moth]

RNG

[knotty snow]

mhmm

[light trail]

well you just have bad luck so far

[knotty snow]

also the only small projects I keep on getting are the blue ones

[eternal moth]

... Those are the ones you want

[knotty snow]

huh ??? but they dont have the weap blue print thingy

[inner delta]

they have

[eternal moth]

What are you trying to get, ship blueprints or gear?

[light trail]

every project type can be blue

[inner delta]

blue research gear can drop rainbow bp

[knotty snow]

like this one... no gear blueprints ???

[inner delta]

that is for ship bp

[knotty snow]

gear

[inner delta]

if you want weapon go for G or Q or face all can drop gear

[eternal moth]

/research

[odd root]

credit: Newbie#1553 and Lunar#7777 https://i.imgur.com/wGQkqJk.jpg

[sinful escarp]

rigging analysis

fast researches= more chances to get better researches

[knotty snow]

of course I am trying to get 30 min ones

[eternal moth]

Only do the cube researches if you have well over 400 cubes in stock

[light trail]

you dont wanna do H (cube analysis) too often bc they take cubes as payment

[light trail]

it's all rng

[knotty snow]

I keep on getting long hours one... or smol ones with no gear

[finite crag]

long hours doesnt mean bad

[light trail]

if you have all bad researches you do have one daily refresh

[sinful escarp]

as long as its not the free researches its fine

[light trail]

if you're talking about basic research, never take that

[eternal moth]

To give you an idea, this is what I currently have for researches

[light trail]

btw all research types can take a long time, you gotta be a bit more descriptive

[knotty snow]

LOL thats kinda of me except there are like 3 of the 2nd to the left ones in a roll

[sinful escarp]

this is mostly the same as mine, except i have some purple face researches and rigging analysis

[eternal moth]

Yeah, I got a little unlucky, but I'm not too far from finishing the non-rainbow ships

[sinful escarp]

and tbh, i never get the ones that cost cubes, except if its the 30 mins ones

[eternal moth]

I have 1100+ cubes, so I take them when there's nothing better

[quartz breach]

Optimal backline build for the Nagato META OpSi fight?

[frank pulsar]

depend on what setup yr running

iirc people like to run triple ijn cv backline synced to mog

[quartz breach]

I've been jumping around various triple BB ones. Trying Alsace/BisZwei/Vanguard atm.

Oh?

[frank pulsar]

uh, triple bb shld be less consistent than cv
are you trying to one shot or two shot?

[quartz breach]

One shot.

I've dropped her down to maybe 9 once.

[raven marsh]

for an opsi BB boss fleet, is it better to use SG radar on helena and 18s BB guns with HSFCRs; or no SG radar and standard champy + black white shells?

[sweet delta]

champy with hsfcrs and sg radar

[frank pulsar]

try musashi over alsace/vanny ig

[sweet delta]

but this month it's Mk6 or Mk7 instead of champy

[raven marsh]

even though radar scan will eventually desync more and more? also HSFCR with black or white shell is better?

[sweet delta]

radar scan is always 20s, only the first one is 16s if SG. Like 16, 36, 56, 76

[frank pulsar]

zwei and musashi gets the afct, use triple 410 on musashi and champy on the other two
your vanguard should be smth like ply + unzen + helena/ibuki

ply tank and uses washing machine + fumo, the rest use full oxytorp

[storm heron]

radar scan is 16, 36, 56, 76. champy is 20, 41, 62, 83. It barely sync enough

[sweet delta]

izumo gun with AFCT+autoloader if you have that +13 instead of the daisen gun

[frank pulsar]

why mog, bb can still line up with her stun?

[rain bobcat]

unironically

[sweet delta]

for dmg

[storm heron]

lmao

[rain bobcat]

I tried using champy gun setup and 460 on musashi

[frank pulsar]

then wouldn't unzen be better for dmg

[rain bobcat]

dmg was basically the same or better even when musashi barely caught radar scans

[raven marsh]

if i dont have daisen gun yet twin 410 kai is the best for musashi in the BB fleet?

[sweet delta]

actually for alsace buff because alsace goes last of the BBs

[frank pulsar]

he said use izumo gun with autoloader if no daisen gun

[rain bobcat]

probably alsace things

[atomic abyss]

Izumo gun should be in gear lab

[knotty snow]

how do you showcase your fleet in this layout ???

[quartz breach]

Triple410 Musashi and Champagne yeah or?

[raven marsh]

oh sorry I can't read

[atomic abyss]

It's the triple 410 yes

[sweet delta]

triple 410 + autoloader 🤏< daisen gun
twin 410 kai is HE and not comparable, only use on mob or light boss

[atomic abyss]

https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/

[frank pulsar]

copy suchiguma setup instead

[knotty snow]

ah thx

[storm heron]

how much damage is musashi gun compared to her barrage?

[rain bobcat]

also why flandre on bis

[frank pulsar]

like 60% gun and 40% barrage...? idr the numbers and idr my source

[raven marsh]

if i use agir instead of mogador here in this fleet should i put triple torp on her for syncing or quad torps for dps since the slow doesnt matter with bisko's black hole

[covert phoenix]

Does that purchasable bed add any new animations or whatnot in the 3d dorm?

[sweet delta]

that's for Nagato META if you don't have good CVs. And only use aegir with triple torp if you don't have Unzen

[zenith heron]

How good is the Twin 406mm (16/56 mk4 Prototype) other than PVP and being an upgrade material for the 457 mark A?

[sweet delta]

good against Arbiter Strength and that's it

[zenith heron]

Will take note

[weak quiver]

when do you think eldridge retro item is coming back

missed it while on vacation during august and didn't even realize until now

[storm heron]

how's the history on sandy's and yuudachi's and warspite's

[weak quiver]

i'm not sure it's been years

[atomic abyss]

1 year for rerun

[coarse heron]

About a year

[atomic abyss]

Then perma into spec core

[weak quiver]

kinda bummed i missed out cuz she's broken

[coarse heron]

Only for certain content

[weak quiver]

i need the extra vanguard sustain

[atomic abyss]

Live with Jeanne I suppose

[storm heron]

yeah she's not that neccessary for damage check contents

[weak quiver]

jeanne not worth using with what i have

i can just use straight up tankier ships

and pvp is basically gonna be unplayable vs people with eldrige retro💀

[storm heron]

not rly as long you have the laffey diff

[atomic abyss]

It's unplayable already cos of Laff2

[keen owl]

Cat Exp box or Meta crystals which is better? Got 4 crystals already

[weak quiver]

eldrige retro is the only ur im missing

[keen owl]

Is the meta Currency for exp book good

[storm heron]

wait how many currency do you have

[keen owl]

383 iirc

[storm heron]

383k?

[keen owl]

Oh this event 10k left

[storm heron]

also does buying extra meta crystal give you something good

[weak quiver]

@storm heron you call elite cat boxes useless until you try and roll an elite cv cat with the 3% dmg boost

[coarse heron]

10 currency for meta shop

[exotic wren]

Who would have that much?

[storm heron]

there's a reason I deleted my message

[coarse heron]

The no lifers on Amagi

[storm heron]

some people

[coarse heron]

Look at top 2 for Amagi

[storm heron]

idk why they added the leaerboard or what they are trying to prove lmao

[keen owl]

327k on washi

[coarse heron]

To catch the cheaters

[exotic wren]

No blud said meta currency so I was scared as fuc

[weak quiver]

average amagi nolifer kekw

[coarse heron]

That’s why it exists that’s it

[storm heron]

oh the cheating people like on little enty

[weak quiver]

258k is wild

[keen owl]

Havent checked Wall of shame for a long time

[coarse heron]

UR event ban wave tradition

[keen owl]

I still Remeber the 3 seconds Takao thing

Or is it 5 seconds

[exotic wren]

my Takao can solo everything

[storm heron]

is this the last day?

[sweet delta]

Last day of the event maps and I hope not the server

[plain saffron]

Last 24h yeah

Discord server or game server

[soft dagger]

Does the 1.5s initial cooldown apply to vanguard torp as it does to main fleet strikes?

[eternal basalt]

But... but... Roma

[storm heron]

Roma coming right up?

[eternal basalt]

According to last year, but no notes yet

[atomic abyss]

Stream said Roma rerun confirmed

[proven rose]

Just wanted to ask about the new Private Quarters Area - Are you able to buy (With coins or gems) gifts? and where is the shop for it?

[wide snow]

For this CM what's good load out because all my torps are missing

[light trail]

i have 4100 points and this is all thats left, what i get doesn't matter right

[wide snow]

Believe so tho catboxes = gamba = goog

[steel grotto]

are any of the metas in the meta shop worth?

[atomic abyss]

All 3 of them are super good for fleet tech

Beyond that nah
Purple metas are generally poo

[eternal basalt]

Didn't say when though, but I expect it to be just like last year

[eternal basalt]

In the gift option you can buy the second one for coins

The META's don't take dockspace so no need to skip out of any

[sharp socket]

do meta ships need mlb to reach 120

[wind hazel]

no

[atomic abyss]

They're like research ships

[graceful kelp]

is Hiei META worth to buy from the event shop ?

[storm heron]

yes

[atomic abyss]

If you haven't dropped her, yes

[graceful kelp]

i see cause i have 8k event tokens

was wondering if its worth getting her, thanks

[proven rose]

Oh, I see now. I thought that icon was for Akashi's shop lol. Tyvm

[graceful kelp]

is it wise to upgrade houshou meta cause i have the meta stone thing

[eternal basalt]

No reason not to, like research ships they use max oil from the get-go

[graceful kelp]

ahh ok

[iron meteor]

do i have other fleet compositions thats better than what i have rn for w13

[bright tusk]

how reliable is ectl?

[atomic abyss]

Very, assuming it's campaign up to w13

Anything else and you need to take it with a grain of salt

[storm heron]

as reliable as their assumption goes

[atomic abyss]

Mob fleet:
Swap ancho and chesh, replace UvH with Saratoga
You need more carriers otherwise you will not hit air superiority, weakening your fleets

Boss fleet: Swap Laffey and Sandy

[lyric patio]

Then it is better to replace frida with saratoga

[atomic abyss]

Possible too
There are no suicide boats to intercept tho

And FdG can spam her barrage from planes hitting her

The key thing is you really want carriers

You can even run 3 carriers in w13 mob

But you don't have better so

[lyric patio]

Your truth

[jaunty ingot]

uhh what are the general guidelines with 14-3 and 14-4?

[atomic abyss]

Same as 14-1 and 14-2
But you'll need asw on mob now

So throw an ASW plane on Uni, and a hedgehog on a DD/Sandy

No gold asw plane from event? Gearlab time

If you for whatever god forsaken reason scrapped your hedgehog?

I hope you have an eldridge kai then

[jaunty ingot]

alright I kept the hedgehog because I had a sneaking suspicion I'd need it

[atomic abyss]

You can only get one of it so

[jaunty ingot]

So I will need to replace Perseus with uni?

[wind hazel]

ideally yes

[atomic abyss]

Percy is worse than uni

Especially in drawn out battles

And battles will draw on a bit longer

[wind hazel]

FdG with 155 kai, good ASW, ideally have secondary healer too like Aquila or Volga on mob

or Musashi if you have it

[jaunty ingot]

I don't have musashi :( I do have Volga though

[dense eagle]

does anyone else sometimes crash when opening the 3d dorm? usually if you've had the game open for a long time

wanan know if im the problem or if its a bug that'll get fixed

[wind hazel]

happens to most players

[cursive lark]

I mean I often crash when I claimed comissions too fast, it is not an uncommon issue

[polar venture]

Is hiei meta significantly better than odin?

[atomic abyss]

Not even remotely

Odin is one of the best battlecruisers

[polar venture]

Earlier someone told me she's better :/

[atomic abyss]

Hiei META most certainly isn't

The only BC distinctly better than Odin is like

Tamaki from one of the collabs

Hiei META is better than Odin, Ruppy and Hood for bosses, I'll give you that

[polar venture]

Speaking of collabs, do we know what collab is coming up?

[atomic abyss]

To love ru darkness

[polar venture]

Does that one have good units?

[atomic abyss]

It's a new collab

How are we supposed to know about ships that don't exist yet

[polar venture]

I ended up getting hiei's mats and everything. But I run alsace so... is she even worth?

[crimson glacier]

she is not in the level of URs

[atomic abyss]

Every gold BB/C dreams of being a UR

[crimson glacier]

unless your URs are missing limit breaks

[atomic abyss]

And while a select 2 or 3 come close
They're still behind FdG, who is the weakest of the true rainbow BBs

[polar venture]

Yeah my DD UR is missing 1 lb

[atomic abyss]

I'm excluding warkai

[polar venture]

Oof I'm building her. Is there someone else I should focus?

[atomic abyss]

You build FdG because she's still better than every other gold BB

Unless you already have most of the other UR BBs max limit broken

I would still get her

And for the matter, she's much easier to get in comparison

And she's still the best mobber for w14

[polar venture]

Better than odin? Sorry odin is my mob team lol

[atomic abyss]

^

[finite crag]

weakest among ur bbs still means shes head and shoulder above gold ones

[atomic abyss]

FdG, NJ and UvH are the weakest of the rainbow BBs (that are not named warspite)

But besides warspite, they are indeed, still way better than most gold BB/C

Only a select few come close but they don't beat them

[polar venture]

I just got watarase. Is she good?

[crimson glacier]

eh

[atomic abyss]

Good, but not worth investing in unless you have literally nothing else

[crimson glacier]

i dont think she is bad but i dont really see much use for her

not bad but not useful

[reef flume]

Raise her for tech points

[bright tusk]

for light armor damage, is spearfish better than converging TB?

[soft dagger]

ye, rocket is better than torp on light

[atomic abyss]

Well, yes ish

[vital phoenix]

Is drake actually bad? Or she's good, but there's just better option

[atomic abyss]

Good but there's better options

She's the bar for what makes a great CA basically

[vital phoenix]

What she's good at? Damage? I think i heard somewhere that she can't tank but is that true?

[crimson glacier]

i have my doubts about spearfish

[atomic abyss]

The issue really boils down to is it worth the cost?

Also because your fighter slots are locked to rocket fighters and DB to skyraider, you're usually forced to use the TB slot to sync

I wouldn't bother with spearfishes as a result

[atomic abyss]

Damage primarily - we use her dps as the bar for what makes a great DPS
She's slightly tankier than Portland iirc?

[obsidian ivy]

Is it actually worth +13ing pancakes for W15

[finite crag]

not really you make it through just fine without throwing that many plates down the drain

[atomic abyss]

Better to invest the gold plates in your DPS planes instead

[frank pulsar]

bomb fighters are never worth +13

[jaunty ingot]

are the beehive round BB guns good?

[crimson glacier]

no

[atomic abyss]

Just like irl, they are garbage

[jaunty ingot]

understood

[bright tusk]

is it better at mob?

[atomic abyss]

Spearfish is the best mobbing TB for DPS... In opsi where there are no planes
It plays second fiddle to the wyvern in campaign, since it has interception

Wyverns are thus more valuable and higher priority to craft

[white agate]

If I use a cv in a Helena buffed fleet should I use planes with timings around 10s or is it better to still use the best dps planes i have?

[atomic abyss]

If they don't sync with Helena's window it's pointless

You can't just look at "10s timing"
It's not that simple

All the relevant dive bombers are at least 11s anyways

You have to look at the carrier after all their gear is on

And then account for skills, beacon etc

[white agate]

Yep I meant this timing

[bold cove]

i shouldnt use x2 sortie in War archive right?

[atomic abyss]

Well, what's stopping you?

[atomic abyss]

The issue with syncing CVs with Helena is that you also have to include the plane travel time
Which is about an additional 1.5s (it varies)

And that obviously, airstrikes reloads are a bit slower than BB salvos

Ok let's assume an opsi battle where it's 80s yeah?

Helena debuff lasts 10s
So a god tier Helena (without sg ofc) has debuff active at
20-30, 40-50, 60-70

[white agate]

So I either respect these windows or i go 3 bb

[atomic abyss]

When calculating you have to include the 1.5s plane/torpedo travel time

[white agate]

Thanks

[atomic abyss]

Without high reload tech and beacons it's a royal pain

Another reason you don't see Helena often for CV is because there are so many CV buffers

It's not quite the same with BBs

CVs have Sirius, and ARA skill like Kazagumo, Stephen, Kearsage, or even stuff like Baltimore for US ones

The only dedicated BB buffer is Plymouth

I mean I guess you can make a case for Halford, but trying to sync with her float plane means 457s everywhere, and desyncing from Helena soooo

And ofc the nail in the coffin is that BBs have lower damage thresholds anyways

CVs are harder to get up to their potential, but they do better

[tawny dirge]

world 14 problems are SS+suicideboat+BB shooter
what about world 15?

[tired forum]

How do I farm T3 Ordance Testing Report? Or it's only buyable in OpSi shop?

[crisp wadi]

iirc you can craft T3 with T2

[rose cosmos]

Ok I farmed a bit mats to upgrade chappy, is this at least serviceable

[rain bobcat]

double suicide boats, ramming dmg, ridiculous AA compared to w13

[tawny dirge]

oh so no BB targeting mfs?

[rain bobcat]

no

[tawny dirge]

i mean—

[tired forum]

NO WAY

[atomic abyss]

Give her a gold rudder, Fargo drone is shit

[tired forum]

Thank you very much

[rain bobcat]

is that mob lol

[hollow gust]

What is this shade thrown at Fargo drone

[tawny dirge]

14-4 boss

[cursive lark]

Yes there are those mfs, main fleet nodes have bbs that can fire salvos to your backline

[tawny dirge]

at the end of the day i use my mob fleet to defeat the boss

[rain bobcat]

don't remember the boss doing more than half the flagship

[tawny dirge]

fucking hell all i had to do was having fast proc CVs

[rain bobcat]

vanguard being there is already the issue lol

[tawny dirge]

been using haku and yorktown II before this one, still get obliterated

[sharp socket]

the boss in 14-4 shreds everything in my fleet but the flag usually doesnt get hit that much, unless sudden death shell

[cursive lark]

You need to stagger the damage

[winter dagger]

Hey after the first UR event, how long does it take for them to rerun it, i.e when is Unzen getting a rerun since her first event was around this time last year

[tawny dirge]

this is my mob fleet, that obliterated the boss, ironically

[sharp socket]

if u want just reset and pray more, its how i did my 14-4 anw

[cursive lark]

Wtf musashi not flag?

[tawny dirge]

she is
screenshot gesture mess with the position

[cursive lark]

Oh no wonder they survive the shelling i guess

[tawny dirge]

i had to postpone pink girl early procs

[rose cosmos]

What is that

[tawny dirge]

drone

[rose cosmos]

[cursive lark]

Ah yes manuals

[rose cosmos]

I mean what is the rudder

[cursive lark]

High performance washing machine

[tawny dirge]

bros act like people able to auto 14-4 when the threat level is still lethal

[whole crypt]

sup mogs

what's wrong with auto 14-4 lethal

[rain bobcat]

that's what most of us did....

[rose cosmos]

I only have 2 for my tanks

[sinful escarp]

you can auto it though??, thats how i cleared 14-4

[whole crypt]

I mean sure maybe you won't hit it up 100% reliably but you can definitely do it

[cursive lark]

Idk man manual or auto doesnt make much different if you stagger the damage

[sharp socket]

i did auto my 14-4 lethal mob and boss, except i also reset about 30 times on boss because random death shelling

[cursive lark]

I guess one could argue manual is better for clearing since you can stagger and aim damage manually

[tawny dirge]

well i did auto it twice, mobs and the boss. but for some reason the last (90% progress) is so hard for no reason

[sharp socket]

just rng it until it works, 14-4 is rather shit in that sense

[whole crypt]

assuming you had the skills to determine the correct timing and aim BBs

[tawny dirge]

fucking hell the rest of the fleet were intact while the flag ded

[whole crypt]

vast majority of players don't actually play better than auto does

[cursive lark]

Who says that?

[tawny dirge]

him

[cursive lark]

Sorry I mean, could I see the data that back you up on that hypothesis?

[crisp wadi]

Also between 13-4 and 14-4 is there a lot coin drop different? Assuming someone doing 14-4 just for gold ship drop if any

[tawny dirge]

nubed

[whole crypt]

on the contrary what makes you think players know what they're doing with manual controls and timing

[barren tapir]

i feel like this is bit of a situation where 90%+ of players only ever auto, meaning if they ever try to manual they won't have any experience in how to play manual, so it leads to this conclusion

[whole crypt]

not all that many are even past ch13 and most people just copy comps and auto

[rain bobcat]

most people barely live more but also deal less dmg because they keep dodging too far up or down

[cursive lark]

I mean I was mistaken to assume so when I saw this one

[barren tapir]

presumably the people who bother to manual stuff would have experience doing so and would perform well with it lol

[hollow gust]

I would love for you people to try manualing .2 sec BB and CV timings

[rain bobcat]

[cursive lark]

.2 sec?

[barren tapir]

flicking auto on to get the sync timings auto-sent before turning it back off is a thing you can do tbf

[hollow gust]

That ruins the whole point of manualing

[rain bobcat]

wdym lol

[tawny dirge]

ye i play manual for the boss at 90% progress that leaves the fleet but the flag intact
fucj those BB shooters

[barren tapir]

not really, if you're manualling to help the vanguard stay alive

[rain bobcat]

the point of manualing is to make vanguard live or stagger not sync lmao

[whole crypt]

CVs maybe but then you lose your manual aim bonus for BBs, as well as predictive targeting on moving shit, for the first shot anyway

[barren tapir]

really would depend on the reason you are manualling

[crisp wadi]

I mean didnt manual still need you too control the ships too? Not only their skill

[sharp socket]

manual is good at kiting bombs, getting your AA circle to hit planes and getting your ships near subs to bomb them

[whole crypt]

you need to know where and how to move to actually move out of the way of shit, not into it

[tawny dirge]

reason to manual? flag keep dying when the rest still undamaged

[sinful fern]

what ship should i get or save for?

[tawny dirge]

everyone

[rain bobcat]

too vague we don't even know what you have

[whole crypt]

if you know how to hold airstrikes to clear enemy shots it might help your flag survive, it depends on what you're dying to

[sharp socket]

backread he posted his mob and boss

[whole crypt]

if you're dying to planes then it'll also mean you'll need to know how to manuever your AA circle and maybe time airstrikes for intercept

[barren tapir]

backread where, unless discord search is misleading me they last posted 2 days ago

[sharp socket]

might be a little late to pull for amagi cv but still do so nonetheless, event ends in under 24h

[whole crypt]

and if you need to do any of that chances are a) you're using the wrong shit b) your shit isn't good enough yet

[sharp socket]

after that save for possible musashi rerun next, and likely december UR

[bright tusk]

Should i give support fleet AA radar or catapult aux? Support fleet used to launch fighter for battle fleet, so should i give them AA radar to increase AA dps or catapult? How catapult work on support fleet?

[tawny dirge]

mine dying to BB shooters
that's why i used mob fleet that has 2CVs

[whole crypt]

catapult

[sharp socket]

catapult

[whole crypt]

plane intercept scales on AVI

[bright tusk]

I see

[sharp socket]

support fleet is just fighter/fighter CVs

[tawny dirge]

wake me up when zwei

[sinful fern]

i only have 14 cubes and 22k coins do you think i should save or pull

[whole crypt]

what's your flag?

[tawny dirge]

musushi (mob fleet)

[rose cosmos]

Btw, a better way to farm hms tech point is farming multiple elites to lv100 right?

[sharp socket]

just pull, you might get lucky and you have time to save for the next UR

[whole crypt]

that would actually explain why she's dying, I'd assume you're not using Aquila in that fleet

[sharp socket]

14 cubes is basically nothing anyway

[cursive lark]

It's kinda difficult to say whether one is unable to clear because fleet just not good enough or because of rng, sometimes people just manual to decrease losing chance by holding off airstrikes to intercept or kill next wave, or moving ships to clear planes

[sinful fern]

when will the next UR drop and what should i do to get the most cubes possible? i play daily so i wanna know

[sharp socket]

you get your cube income by simply playing daily and doing your daily missions

[sinful fern]

how many do i get from daily missions alone? also how many are there each day

[sharp socket]

next UR time is unknown, except that musashi is next in line to rerun and theres likely to be a UR event in december

[rain bobcat]

168 guaranteed monthly

[rose cosmos]

When’s the next ur event? December?

[chilly birch]

Musashi rerun should also give a number of tickets for free summons on her banner too

[whole crypt]

mob Musashi flag for ch14 kind of doesn't work if you don't bring a main fleet healer

[cursive lark]

You get a good chunk of cubes from commissions

[sinful fern]

is it even possible to get 400 cubes in 2 month just in time for the UR?

[crisp wadi]

Didnt tech point only increase when ships is MLB and hit lvl 120 ? Cmiiw

[cursive lark]

Yes mostly

[keen sable]

Easily

[whole crypt]

guarantee is ~168/month from missions and stuff
the usual you get each month is upwards of 200 including comms

[sinful fern]

ohh ok

[cursive lark]

Depends on comission rng but it should be on average, possible

[rose cosmos]

I look at the tech page and it has a limit break thingy and 120

so I guess the former one is for 100?

[whole crypt]

200 each month is just getting 1 cube/day on average from comms

it's really not hard

[sharp socket]

also sometimes general shop has cubes for coins you can buy so check that often

[whole crypt]

coin and merit shop can have cubes

[sinful fern]

i just need to play daily and do all dailies and commisions right

[hollow gust]

You could reroll the game until you have Amagi

[crisp wadi]

Yeah but assuming you dont tempted with another banner like next collab

[sinful fern]

theres a collab?

[cursive lark]

Daily also is pretty vague, you can play daily just daily dailies pvp opsi dorm hard mode, or like you level regularly to spend all the oils or low costing

[whole crypt]

regular play is enough to guarantee every new UR, not right after you start of course but down the road yes

[sharp socket]

game does not give you cubes and coins upon starting so rerolling is shit

[late flame]

collab event will be in nov

[rose cosmos]

Rerolling for afk game is depressing af

[rain bobcat]

no, you only get tech points from aquiring firs time, mlb, and 120

[whole crypt]

if you want to reroll, reroll a collab since it doesn't come back

[hollow gust]

Still? You have 1 one more day to get an extremely op ship that won't come again in 2-3 years

[rose cosmos]

Oh…..

[cursive lark]

At least try

[hollow gust]

If you are new , this is the one case it's worth rerolling for

[crisp wadi]

Yeah, to love ru collab

[fiery swan]

can someone explain the change in comps for oathed ships

[whole crypt]

To LoveRu should be coming in nov

[sinful fern]

amagi cv is that good?

[cursive lark]

Al does quite a number of collabs

[whole crypt]

nothing really changes, oathed ships just have slightly higher stat so you may or may not need to compensate for that sync wise

[cursive lark]

One of the best damage CV, tied first place

[hollow gust]

High end comps have extremely tight requirements so oathing has an impact. You can compensate for irregular oathing but that means you can't just copy someone

[whole crypt]

rolled a 470k on showdown just now

[fiery swan]

at around what level of play does oathing become relevant, and does this mean vanguard ships are safer to oath?

[crisp wadi]

iirc there's a new tempesta event right? So collab or tempesta first?

[sharp socket]

never if you dont whale for gameplay

[cursive lark]

Backline ships are safer to oath for the stats

For non-stat oriented oath, oath whoever you want

[sharp socket]

but also for pvp oathing for stats is common

[whole crypt]

oathing for PvP is common but actually the least relevant

[sharp socket]

but you can probably get high up in pvp without doing so

[whole crypt]

you can AotN and rank top 10 without oathing

[cursive lark]

Yes I will show that, plus without musashi and JintM

[hollow gust]

Your timings get turbo fucked if one of your ships are oathed and the others are not . Oathing for stats on backline especially CVs really fucked things up

[sharp socket]

same with meta fights, just do a 2shot and it still works, or even better send out for assist and get an assisted 1shot

[wind hazel]

or just 1shot without oath

[whole crypt]

if you want to time main fleets easiest way is either oath everyone or oath no one

[cursive lark]

How much timing is 6% rld even contribute?

[hollow gust]

For CVs , a fuck ton

[cursive lark]

Is it really that much to the point you can't fix it by just switch saiun to junkers

[wind hazel]

sometimes it makes 3 strike into 4 strike

[whole crypt]

enough to drift on third strike, particularly if you have a gap with your stopper

[sharp socket]

you can still time shit with uneven oaths, just that it looks more scuffed

[whole crypt]

it depends on the exact comp and gear in question and what boss you're doing

[wind hazel]

it's overall a headache to use uneven oath fleet

[cursive lark]

I guess oath slower ships kinda works?

[whole crypt]

it's possible to tweak timings back with gear and maybe adjust tech but it's a lot more finnicky

[hollow gust]

Back then when timing AVP with Haku and Shinano , uneven oaths means using really really weird gear , which naturally loses alot of damage

[whole crypt]

and you may not hit that oneshot

[rain bobcat]

enought to desync everything starting from
2nd/3rd

[wind hazel]

just ask yourself, you're using +9 helldiver

[rain bobcat]

[hollow gust]

There was a chinese sync calculator for that trio , utterly disgusting time trying to sync stuff that's not evenly oathed

[whole crypt]

it's not impossible to adjust sync with partial oath, it's just a lot easier if you oath everything or nothing at all

[sharp socket]

im actually using +8 helldiver on avp because oathed 100aff shinano

[cursive lark]

Is there ever a case where slower ships carrying saiuns might make them going for ryuusei or vit instead and having much higher damage (since 6% avi, hit, and more alpha)

[wind hazel]

it is always try to sync, or not sync

[sharp socket]

still does less damage against metato than my bb fleet so its not that good anyway

[cursive lark]

Dang that's very nasty

[hollow gust]

That sentence is giving me an aneurysm

[cursive lark]

Sorry my english is like D

[wind hazel]

slower ship want to catchup with the faster ships, that's it.

[feral pebble]

How good was UR amagi not gonna make pity without spending gems

[wind hazel]

and you don't wanna put shitass damage plane to do that

[cursive lark]

Instead of 4% beacon, go oath WARNING: permanent

[sharp socket]

you can also make stuff go super fast and then use manjuu to bring it back up

[hollow gust]

One of the best CVs ingame

[sharp socket]

for your slow that is

[sinful fern]

whats the chance of getting a UR?

[tame jungle]

1.2%

[hollow gust]

1.2% so relatively high

[sinful fern]

is there a channel in this sever for "showing off" pulls or something

[sharp socket]

#trophy-room

[cursive lark]

Trophy room

[wind hazel]

some people do that here

[cursive lark]

But there's a chance you won't get any responses, like there's this one time I got #5 on pvp

[tame jungle]

Caring about pvp is the first issue

[hollow gust]

Either way , gist is that irregular oath means you need to find more obscure or worse planes in order to satisfy timings . Which means you lose more then the 6% in damage

[cursive lark]

At least you will get some response from people who enforce the rules

[hollow gust]

Also number 5 means jack shit if it's not EOS

[wind hazel]

pvp means jack shit

[cursive lark]

Where can you prove one's EoS? Is there a leaderboard page?

[hollow gust]

Take a picture a second before reset

[cursive lark]

Like I just take a screenshot of #5 and then post it at the end of the season would that count

[sharp socket]

pvp channel to flex on people

[sinful fern]

how do i increase a sihp's bond?

[keen sable]

Use but don't abuse them

[cursive lark]

So photoshop works

[hollow gust]

Use them or 1st slot in secretary ( doesn't go max though unless special event )

[sinful fern]

what

[hollow gust]

, PVP sweats document them all the time . Your photoshop 🚮

[sharp socket]

it doesnt because likely the real top 10 will bully you for doing so

[wind hazel]

dont let their morale drop until they become red face

[late flame]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Affinity#Affinity

[vocal sigil]

can anyone help me update my opsi fleets?

[cursive lark]

Oh no wtf that's just so sweaty, well at least that's less sweaty than photoshopping

[jaunty ingot]

should i use the purple triple 406 mk6 over the yellow prototype triple 406 mk6

[wind hazel]

any thread?

[sharp socket]

theres only one triple 406 mk6

[sinful fern]

does secretary affinity increase when im not opening the game?

[rain bobcat]

there is a gold one from pr6

[sharp socket]

wait nevermind why are there 2 of them named mk6

[cursive lark]

Yes

[reef flume]

Gold mk6 has less dmg than mk7 and it's even slower, not worth using it

[whole crypt]

because kearsarge gun is a Mk6 prototype

[wind hazel]

keep purple mk6

[sinful fern]

should i level up my UR to use her in battle or use my current ones?

[jaunty ingot]

alr

[sharp socket]

i did not know this, uh use purple mk6

[sinful fern]

people say she good damage cv so i think i should?

[wind hazel]

late emote before i ninja edit

[rain bobcat]

[hollow gust]

Huh so you did get her , either way you aren't using her yet. You need the bulins

[rain bobcat]

he could also mean any of the perma UR

[sinful fern]

yeah i got her ||after 2 pulls||
how many bulins do i need?

[rain bobcat]

4

[sinful fern]

nah i meant amagi cv actually

[hollow gust]

Until you grab 4 of the rainbow bulins, she's not preferred

[sharp socket]

i checked trophy its cvmagi he got beginner luck

[vocal sigil]

opsi fleet help pls

[hollow gust]

They were recc to reroll for Amagi, it would be stupid to go standard

[cursive lark]

Approved by fact checker

[vocal sigil]

created 🫡

[sinful fern]

what about theseus? should i use her

[plain saffron]

||that message was proved legit by true gph fact checker||

[sinful fern]

so no?

[plain saffron]

if you have nobody better sure

[hollow gust]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[forest palm]

people acknowledge the proto mk6 exists? wild

[hollow gust]

Theseus will probably be your 3rd ship in the backline if you copy that comp, she would be in enterprise's place

[cursive lark]

You mean the flan gun?

[forest palm]

that's the Triple 380 1935

[whole crypt]

kearsarge gun has its uses

[sinful fern]

why that spot specifically?

[forest palm]

I don't even remember the last time proto mk6 was actually used

[cursive lark]

Oh wait it's kearsoup's not flan's

[hollow gust]

Cause you should use the other two ships

[feral pebble]

Does the unused pity carry over to anything or its just wasted if you don't finish it?

[whole crypt]

timing

[hollow gust]

Unless you have enterprise

[cursive lark]

W a s t e d

[sinful fern]

can you name the ships in the picture i cant tell from their chibi form

[whole crypt]

for the record proto mk6 does more damage per salvo than mk7

[reef flume]

What? How

[hollow gust]

My man, read the paragraph above

[whole crypt]

it's just slow but there have been awkward comps which uses the gun's timing

[keen sable]

Big badda boom

[rain bobcat]

coefficient

[reef flume]

Does it matters that much?

[rain bobcat]

it can go upto 150% at +13

[whole crypt]

it's just 20% more damage, not much indeed

coefficient is a direct multiplier

[rain bobcat]

mk7 cant even get ahead in coefficient even at +13 vs +10

[reef flume]

I see

[whole crypt]

yeh but for the cost of +11 Mk7 you can already almost +13 Mk6 proto

so in the odd cases where the mk6 proto timing works and you don't actually lose salvos then it works fine

[reef flume]

So proto mk6 isn't as bad as I thought it is

[sharp socket]

the gun is 6 seconds slower than mk7 and purple mk6 so its still weird to use

[shell willow]

is the 18% from +13 additive to this?

[rain bobcat]

its still bad because its horrendously slow

[rain bobcat]

124 vs 148 at +13

[forest palm]

that's why I'm so dismissive of the proto mk6, for all that it does, on a casual level you won't need to care about it

[whole crypt]

it is, but there have been cases where the timing works out for a showdown

but yeh, don't worry about it

[frank pulsar]

proto mk6 is just he version of 460

[reef flume]

I've seen a friend of mine using two of those in comp with the 460mm. Used for this, it's "decent", but overall pretty ehh tbh

[whole crypt]

if you're syncing Helena then generally not worth bothering

[rain bobcat]

thats just stupid

[whole crypt]

it's more often in non-Helena comps, and only if the timing matches a stop timing for the showdown or maybe a charge gauge you want the shot timing to break

[sharp socket]

nevermind it doesnt really sync with anything

[rain bobcat]

460 even with helena sure if you know what ur doing but thats not even the same ammo type lol

why would you run 2 HE and 1 ap on a triple bb fleet

[reef flume]

Reason why I said "pretty ehh"

[reef flume]

He wanted to sync the 460 with other bbs buffs

[whole crypt]

many people have no idea what they're actually doing with the game

[cursive lark]

460 the sashi gun?

[whole crypt]

yes Yamato gun

[rain bobcat]

yes

[cursive lark]

Lmao that's skibidi

[whole crypt]

which basically means when they finally drop Yamato we're probably getting the same shitty gun again

[rain bobcat]

the only ever use it with max tech gun

[rain bobcat]

one of her 60 aa guns

[reef flume]

Ohio skibidi

[cursive lark]

So any1 +13 460?

[whole crypt]

of course

[cursive lark]

Does it deal 16k damage per shell?

[hollow gust]

16k isn't that much , either way you only max the 460 if you know what your are doing

[reef flume]

What is the 460 coefficient?

[hollow gust]

Syncing a 460 with another BB gun is not one of them

[reef flume]

At +13

[cursive lark]

460 and georgias

[cursive lark]

Is georgia 467

[rain bobcat]

syncing isn't really the goal with it

it's to make musashi deal an absurd damage even when she's desync'd

[whole crypt]

honestly the only rainbow gear I regret enhancing to +13 is La-9

[reef flume]

Do I have to make dmg per shell×coefficent?

[cursive lark]

La-9 mid damage?

[rain bobcat]

2 salvos of that gun equals 3 salvos of the other BBs from my tests even when she only hit 1 helena scan

[frank pulsar]

457
460mm is the highest caliber gun ever made so there wont be a 467

[hollow gust]

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Damage_Calculations

[sharp socket]

i guess you can put it on bzwei and it can sync with autoloader and some tech

[cursive lark]

Yeah so georgia and 460 electric socket syncs

[reef flume]

Wait til people will have three of those

[whole crypt]

it's good on paper but Amagi basically made it irrelevant, for now
you might use 2-3 on an anti-med fleet

[frank pulsar]

457 is a fast gun it doesnt sync at all
nothing syncs with 460 consistently

[cursive lark]

It's probably the same case as three 457s, gets beaten by helena until we have a better vanguard bb buffer in the future

[whole crypt]

the only fighter slot on anti-heavy is Implacable if you use slow/stop

[cursive lark]

What about ANya and Soyuz comps?

[whole crypt]

anti light HVAR is still better
so the only place where La-9 actually have a spot that matters is anti-medium

[cursive lark]

Ic

[reef flume]

Or just ditch Helena. Problem (not really) solved

[whole crypt]

that's where Nakhimov/Soyuz comes in, but since you're using Soyuz you're still down 1 carrier for loading it

[rain bobcat]

not a lot of people run helena nowadays anyway

some just run gunners and others manual with straight torps

[hollow gust]

For the past 3 metas before nagato , she was literally the best way to oneshot