gameplay-help

[atomic abyss]

Impla, Indom, Illustrious x3, Langley

all 3 illustrious variants work

you can even do full illustrious only support fleet

[sweet merlin]

Are tenrais in lab

[atomic abyss]

no they are not

not yet at least

[half plover]

what about chen hai?

[atomic abyss]

viable if you retro-ed her
she's in between langley and centaur

[half plover]

u mean langley II right? so yeah I would have to use her

[sweet merlin]

What ships can i use for a cv opsi fleet?

[atomic abyss]

no, og langley retro

[half plover]

enty shinano and amagi ig

[crimson glacier]

Amagi Shinano avp

[half plover]

oh I didnt see avp

[atomic abyss]

langley 2 does not have 6 fighters
only og langley does

[half plover]

oh so langley is actually good tech and useful to build wow

as a common thats crazy

[sweet merlin]

thats one expensive plane

[atomic abyss]

for how good it is though
it literally has more torps than any other torp bomber

[jade sierra]

Hello everyone, tell me, if it's not difficult, the name of the song from the menu, you can switch to the pvp company and other modes

[sweet merlin]

are its intermederies good tho? as in i can use them while wating for mats to dev

[atomic abyss]

lol no

[strange sphinx]

man, Need morw 5 ur aircraft print for another wyvern

[atomic abyss]

just use barracudas
or the core shop breguets if you can spare core data

[sweet merlin]

ok

[atomic abyss]

perhaps ask #al-general
they are more on the ball for stuff like these

[jade sierra]

They don't answer, I've already asked 2(

[whole crypt]

it stops being expensive once you consistently play OS for a year or so

[sweet merlin]

are hellcats good?

[vale apex]

is watarase good

[whole crypt]

workable

[atomic abyss]

best easily accesible, non gear lab option really

[atomic abyss]

we dont know

[sweet merlin]

so this?

[whole crypt]

could work

[atomic abyss]

yeah that's fine for non specific use

[quartz jungle]

Sail away Justice by Anna Suzuki

[jade sierra]

Thank you very much, friend, thank you very much!!!

[gusty olive]

How is Hieta?

Not as good as Nageta?

[whole crypt]

honestly they're both meh

[forest palm]

generic BC with shit tech, ya meh is right

[atomic abyss]

nageta seems pretty strong... for a gold
gonna take a real while before we can be sure

[whole crypt]

the usual "gold BBs in a UR BBscape"

[gusty olive]

Hey... free ship is free ship

[forest palm]

even among SSR BBs I wouldn't bother with Hiei Meta

[gusty olive]

I rather build Nageta yes

[whole crypt]

free ship = collection

[runic fox]

Is new amagi cv good ??

[gusty olive]

First thing I did when I got her is this lol

[whole crypt]

I'm just leveling her skills normally, need time to raise her affinity anyway

[west lichen]

question, how can i tell if a skin is dynamic or not?

[blissful hamlet]

What was amagi cv skill before the fix? Is she bad or good now?

[whole crypt]

there was a fix?

[atomic lagoon]

They have a shirt icon with "-ANI"

[west lichen]

ok thank you

[atomic lagoon]

Apparently it didn't specify that only IJN ships receive the Torp Damage buff

[atomic abyss]

no change to her skill itself
only her skill desc in game was wrong

[minor seal]

With the intro of Amagi cv, is the best 3cv backline now Implac Amagi and Shinano?

For bosses that is
I already have Haku Implac and Shina built up
Im considering whether or not its worth to build up nakhimov or amagi cv

[whole crypt]

Wait for testing™️

[atomic abyss]

nakh is currently the strongest CV anyways

and amagi on paper is better than haku and nano

[whole crypt]

Nakhimov is strongest CV but she's hamstringed in terms of potential comps

[atomic abyss]

so ideally, build both

[minor seal]

ty Ill do just that then

[atomic abyss]

nakh doesnt use UR bulins anyways

[wet badge]

is watarase good

[atomic abyss]

we dont know, come back in a week

[woeful sluice]

Should I still pull 3 times a day in the event banner when I already have Amagi, Watarase and Suzunami?

[atomic abyss]

no, stick to 1 light a day

[calm panther]

Chat is Amagi UR?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[finite crag]

no way

[atomic abyss]

once again, #event-faq exists

[forest palm]

Amagi Kubo

[calm panther]

thanks for reasons I can’t check images right now but thanks

[sinful escarp]

its a different amagi from the one we had before

[forest palm]

yes, but also no

[late flame]

same same but different different

[calm panther]

So is this like York Town 2?

[ocean pilot]

So do i need to change my AA gun (currently sextuple) for my CA/CL to clear 13H stage?
I know its hard for a reason but even i use sandy and chesire still failed on boss

[atomic abyss]

yes, you need to at least semi optimise them

oh

already sextuple?

[ocean pilot]

Any suggestion? Or do i need to create a thread?

[atomic abyss]

probably not clearing fast enough

i think might be the fleet itself
let's see it in a thread

[odd pivot]

Is this somewhat decent for general use

[ocean pilot]

Ok brb

[atomic abyss]

drop the suisei for a helldiver, and yes, it would be decent for farming levels

[forest palm]

could use a Cuda over the Saiun

[still rock]

@atomic abyss hi ender i forgot to send the 3rd page of my ships could you tell if anything on the fleet you made needs replacement

[atomic abyss]

no change

[odd pivot]

Hmmm. Purple gear is it?

[still rock]

[atomic abyss]

and it is better than all save the rainbow DB - tenrai

[odd pivot]

Ic

[simple sage]

Is Kearsarges shelling debuff wasted in a BB fleet with 457mm twins on automode?

[atomic abyss]

kears is just wasted on a BB fleet period

[odd pivot]

But don't we want more avi ?

[simple sage]

yeah

[still rock]

do i replace anyone with anchorage once i get her

[civic crag]

Which normal event stages give equal to or more than 180 pt with x3 bonus

[finite crag]

not when the plane is straight up better

[atomic abyss]

doesnt matter, the bomb loads are far worse in the suisei

[finite crag]

that 20 avi is insignificant

[odd pivot]

Oh ic. Ok

[still rock]

❓

[atomic abyss]

b1-3

[atomic abyss]

blucher goes bye bye

[frank pulsar]

457 kinda doesnt sync with anything unless yr other bb are using it as well
also, the shelling dmg taken is from her planes so the gun choice wouldnt affect it

[civic crag]

I did the math and I realised I only need to sortie 6 times a day for 2 weeks to get UR bulin

[finite crag]

the bulin isnt the only thing you want though

[late flame]

eh, just 2 sorties per meal

[finite crag]

idk why you would even calculate that just play the game until you have enough to get everything you need

[civic crag]

What else’s

[late flame]

or be like me split my sleep cycle to 3/4 hours waking up in between for pv uh i mean exercise

[finite crag]

plates and prints from milestone

stuff from shop that you need

[frank pulsar]

uh if youre talking about kearsarges usage in a bb fleet then no its not wasted
she works fine in both cv and bb fleets, bb fleets usually just have better options than her

[simple sage]

Kears planes will always take longer even if other BBs have 457 too, that why I am reasoning that it's wasted

[still rock]

after nearly 1 year my hidenburg is finally built

[finite crag]

ok cool have fun with that

[frank pulsar]

you need to use a uss or np plane for it to catch up with hsfcr and stuff iirc..?
idk if 2x1000lbs fighters are fast enough though

[civic crag]

I can clear that at 30k I alr can mlb hiei meta cause she keep showing up instead of amagi

[atomic abyss]

you're relatively new tho, so you want to buy out most of the shop

[civic crag]

Okay

I think I’ll try for 55k pt for the gold plates anyw

[gusty olive]

Funny how I built Kearsarge for a CV fleet and immediately get replaced when I'm almost done dev30'ing her because of Amagi lol

[still rock]

Is it worth buying hiei though?

[atomic abyss]

always worth buying assuming you didnt get her to drop

[rain bobcat]

Kear and amagi are used for different armor types though

[gusty olive]

I got Hiei on gacha instead

[ocean pilot]

help w 13H boss fleet

[still rock]

Would you use her on a fleet

[rain bobcat]

everyone uses kear

[atomic abyss]

no, you get her for tech

meta ships dont take up space anyways

[fast plaza]

recommendation for a 2nd Cl to raise?

[atomic abyss]

none, frankly

[civic crag]

Get sandy and retro her

[atomic abyss]

maybe fargo if you had to pick

[rain bobcat]

fargo is pretty decent

[fast plaza]

i just dont want to waste the exp on helena is all

[civic crag]

Helena good wym

[simple sage]

I use flapjack but they don't sync at all

[fast plaza]

shes maxed out i dont want to waste farming exp doing d3 with her

[civic crag]

Convert her exp to books then

[fast plaza]

i'll go with fargo tks guys

[fast plaza]

i thought the exp convert is just sortie with lvl 100 and above ship and its auto convert from the proficency bar

which will overflow real fast once i start doing d3

[gusty olive]

I don't even know how it works lol. I just collect the books

[frank pulsar]

kinda not surprised since 457 doesnt sync really with anything
do you use hsfcr/afct with it?

[simple sage]

yeah tyvm for clearing up on this

[civic crag]

I’m not sure about the d3 xp honestly

[rain bobcat]

what is syncing

syncing gun with airstrikes? or syncing with other BB

[frank pulsar]

getting stuff to fire/launch in a specific timing and/or order

[rain bobcat]

rainbow 406 + skill active can sync perfectly fine with antilight CVs

[frank pulsar]

e.g. typical bb sync is just 20s gun with/out hsfcr/afct and helena with/out sg radar

[fast plaza]

well since i'll be farming d3 for event points the exp might as well go to a ship that can use it like fargo, helena is maxxed out so i feel like its a bit of a waste, basically a tiny bit of min maxing thats all

[inland shoal]

Syncing is only important for syncing with stops or buffs

[civic crag]

What’s the best dive other than Proto tenrai

[rain bobcat]

xb3c at +13

[inland shoal]

Skyraider

Other than that just use purple helldiver

[civic crag]

From gear lab?

[atomic abyss]

just use purple helldiver

not worth making the xb3c in gear lab

[rain bobcat]

tenrai>=raider>xb3c at 13>helldiver>anything else

[rain bobcat]

^^

you can count su-2 in there for light and medium bossing better than helldiver

[inland shoal]

Depending on context, skyraider can be a lot better than tenrai

[civic crag]

Lmao whoops

[rain bobcat]

im pretty sure that's equal or worse than purple at +10

[inland shoal]

Still wouldn't +13 it

[atomic abyss]

worse than purple at +10 imo

[finite crag]

equal slightly better

[inland shoal]

20 more Avi

[rain bobcat]

yeah about equal

[still rock]

12-1 and 11-1 give me the same amount of xp

[atomic abyss]

they shouldn't

[rain bobcat]

[still rock]

[rain bobcat]

are you sure

[civic crag]

Where to get sky raider

[bold stump]

So... I heard she's good to pick.

[rain bobcat]

exp per oil sure but defintely not raw

[finite crag]

york2 event

[bold stump]

does it remain true to this day?

[still rock]

fluff 🩷

[finite crag]

if you mean shinano then yea

[rain bobcat]

if anything amagi replaces haku not shinano in the typical fleet

[civic crag]

So I just put a +13 sb2c on amagi?

[rain bobcat]

pls dont +13 it

[atomic abyss]

purple gear cant go to +13

just use +10 helldiver

[still rock]

😭 whats happening with my game then

[civic crag]

Wdym it can’t

[rain bobcat]

just wait for tenrai

[atomic abyss]

purple gear upgrades cap at 11

[tame jungle]

purple gear caps out at +11

[civic crag]

Ok

[atomic abyss]

dont willy nilly upgrade gear over 10

[civic crag]

Oh wait I still have a wyvern to max oopsy

[atomic abyss]

different node difficulty maybe

[finite crag]

dont +13 a wyvern either

[rain bobcat]

dont do that either

[half plover]

no prio

[still rock]

I cant deal with the airplanes even though my AA is all gold 10+

[sacred parrot]

My FdG is dev30 now. Is she usable now, or should i max fate first

[rain bobcat]

raider=converging torps>tenrai>rockets

[half plover]

usable

[atomic abyss]

very good

[still rock]

@atomic abyss

[civic crag]

I don’t have half the planes there lmao

[primal silo]

Bro
I saw you going to PGR gph

[finite crag]

then save your plates

[rain bobcat]

no shit ur using 1 backline instead of 3

[atomic abyss]

because you're not using a full fleet

[sacred parrot]

NOOOO

[finite crag]

gold plates arent easy to come by dont waste them

[atomic abyss]

always use full fleets for grinding

[still rock]

Whaaaaaaat

[atomic abyss]

...why are you even grinding campaign
grind the event lol

[civic crag]

Why does bf 109g have prio over flapjack

[rain bobcat]

also yeah the event can be cleared by shitters easily

[tame jungle]

because medium bossing

[still rock]

Using a full fleet splits the xp more no?

[atomic abyss]

cos it's used for opsi bossing

[rain bobcat]

because its BiS on medium

[atomic abyss]

lol not at all

[half plover]

bf109 should be outdated now, right?

[atomic abyss]

you spend the same amout of oil

[civic crag]

Are most of the OpSi bosses medium armor?

[still rock]

What's the point of going 1-3

[rain bobcat]

no

[atomic abyss]

if you have a billion la-9s sure

[half plover]

like the new pr7 plane is now bis?

[tame jungle]

bf109 is very accessible

[boreal wagon]

there is no point in doing 1-3

[atomic abyss]

none

[still rock]

Why was it generalized as an optimal way to farm xp

[rain bobcat]

that's 3 years old

[atomic abyss]

that was like, 4 years ago

[still rock]

Oh wtf 😭

[tame jungle]

did bro watch a youtube video...

[rain bobcat]

there is oil cap so upwards of 4 ships basically cost the same fleet oil

[still rock]

I'm so outdated

[atomic abyss]

/oilcap

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901103255935942706/969285900607553606/unknown.png

[finite crag]

if you take advice from youtube youre literally inting

[rain bobcat]

well more like upwards of 2 ships

[whole crypt]

I don't think any vids ever did 1-3, the old recs were like 2-1 or something

[half plover]

just grind the event stages and after the event push to campaign chapter9+ and you will be safe

[still rock]

wuuooooggghhh

[lament bay]

i read it was when retiring gave oil and it was to farm gem commissions

[atomic abyss]

1:3 is normal for PR grinding in ye OLDE days

[whole crypt]

oh I thought 1-3 the stage -_-

[atomic abyss]

1-3 as in fleet ratio
not 1-3 the map

[still rock]

So what are the farming levels

[whole crypt]

ch12

[atomic abyss]

12-1, 12-4

but now, grind the event

[rain bobcat]

11-1 12-1 12-4 13-4

[atomic abyss]

not 11-4

[whole crypt]

to be fair you get the same vanguard XP in a full fleet as 1-3 but clears will likely be much faster

[still rock]

[rain bobcat]

was it 11-1 or 11-4 that had the best exp per oil

[atomic abyss]

it's a meme imo

you dont get chips

[inland shoal]

11-1
But has worse everything else so

[whole crypt]

11-1 but it doesn't drop chips or augment stones

[rain bobcat]

yeah I remember that

[whole crypt]

and often it's also harder than 12-1

[atomic abyss]

why the reaction? event is more important

[sinful elk]

Chat does subs affect lots in opsi if invested correctly

[still rock]

🙏

[atomic abyss]

not much
arbiters, w14/15 primarily

[inland shoal]

No cuz everything dies anyway

[whole crypt]

for hard bosses they help I guess?

[inland shoal]

They can be quite helpful ig

For bosses

[rain bobcat]

not a lot but for bosses and w14/15 they are helpful

[sinful elk]

[rain bobcat]

probably like 150k max on bosses

[inland shoal]

If you use them correctly and they don't die on the first summon

[whole crypt]

no one realizes the most important part of using subs is you get more commander XP

[rain bobcat]

more oil used=more exp

[still rock]

It's boring!!

[finite crag]

its optimal

[rain bobcat]

its not even that bad

[atomic abyss]

optimal, and more important things in the shop for all players

[whole crypt]

it's also got useful rewards
gameplay is boring wherever you do it anyway

[finite crag]

i dont see how doing d3 is more boring that doing anything else really

[rain bobcat]

you can also put shittier ships and get away with it

[whole crypt]

game is only fun when I'm playing bumper bulins with CM

[late flame]

just do on emulator or second phone while you do something else

[rain bobcat]

1-2 lvl 1s per team can farm d3 while w12 is 100+ only

[atomic abyss]

12-1 can be done with similar level ships...

[inland shoal]

The event is easier than 12-1

[whole crypt]

I don't know about you but I brought my Nagato META from lv17

[rain bobcat]

maybe if you werent using shitters for the rest of the fleet sure

[still rock]

So now i get anchorage right?

[atomic abyss]

you shd have gotten anchrage before hinden, but yes

[still rock]

[whole crypt]

yeh not shit enough I guess

[inland shoal]

Though you want other stuff generally, less AA and more asw necessary + minimal bomb boat defense ig

[keen sable]

12+

Obviously D3 also

[civic crag]

Are submarines important

[forest palm]

no, but they're free damage, so they're nice to have

[whole crypt]

they help in lategame to patch holes in damage against hard stuff

[fast plaza]

you had me at no

[civic crag]

Is it possible to beat backline with one sub

[quartz jungle]

Can you heal your subs in OpSi?

[whole crypt]

beat what backline with one what sub

[forest palm]

I've done all the content in this game w/o subs

[civic crag]

The weekly thing

[whole crypt]

repair kits all the same

[keen sable]

They heal whenever called

[whole crypt]

you need one pretty good sub if you want to solo sub weekly... or you can just use Royal Fortune

[quartz jungle]

Oh can you like select a sub fleet then use the repair kit to heal them?

[still rock]

This is my fav feature ever

[warm latch]

dont do that

[rain bobcat]

shouldn't be doing that

[warm latch]

the exp grind is the easiest part

[atomic abyss]

bad idea

[still rock]

[whole crypt]

when in the menu for selecting ships to repair with repair boxes you can select which fleet

[still rock]

It takes ages wym 😭

[whole crypt]

so if your subs are like low HP from last fight you can use that to patch up

[warm latch]

getting the blueprints takes even longer

[civic crag]

Is royal fortune a very good sub

[atomic abyss]

and getting a PR ship usable after unlocking them takes even longer

[novel solstice]

XP is a lot easier to get than the ship's blueprints. So don't worry that collecting XP takes a while, it will be a lot longer til you get enough blueprints to MLB the ship.

[whole crypt]

3.6M XP takes like 3 days wdym

[atomic abyss]

not at all, she just has a good gimmick for the sub weekly

[still rock]

What's wrong in using those accelerated research

[frank pulsar]

its like 2 weeks of grinding for a casual
and even if you took 2 weeks to unlock each ship you wouldn't be at dev30 anyway

[atomic abyss]

they can be converted to protocore, which can make very very good gear

[boreal wagon]

you are gated by the speed at which you obtain blueprints anyway,
and they can be converted into a much much better resource

[warm latch]

theres no point rushing the grind to unlock the ship because you cant rush the grind for the blueprints

[civic crag]

Her skill?

[finite crag]

combat data packs can be converted to protocore, which is very inaccessible otherwise to new players

[whole crypt]

CDPs can be converted to proto cores for proto shop to buy older series gear and stuff

[atomic abyss]

nope, just the fact that she's not a sub, but a frigate that's used in a sub slot

[still rock]

OH

[novel solstice]

You could instead analyze them and get better stuff. And since the ship isn't going to be usable when you first get it anyway, don't worry that it takes a while to do the XP grind; you'll be waiting on blueprints anyway.

[whole crypt]

you don't really generate proto cores otherwise until you catch up with reserach to have spare ship prints

[still rock]

[finite crag]

yes

[short wagon]

funkymonkey should i analyse all my battle xp things

[finite crag]

funkymonkey thinks you should

[whole crypt]

and then you realize the importance of focusing on gear instead and find that you really don't generate much excess ship prints anymore

[short wagon]

thank you funkymonkey

[finite crag]

np Gab

[willow crag]

Am I right that Amagi CV is the worst UR CV because of her 3-2-3 config being the only one thats not 3-3-3 in the UR CV space?

[whole crypt]

you are wrong

[still rock]

I dont have many eagle union vanguard ships, which do i use for my frontlane?

[boreal wagon]

she also has like the highest efficiencies to make up for it

[atomic abyss]

extremely wrong
because her individual plane efficiencies are MUCH higher

[civic crag]

I don’t get it tho royal fortune still gets shredded by the guns

[willow crag]

Oh whats the individual efficiencies of other URs?

[short wagon]

sandy laffey helean idk

[whole crypt]

firstly not all other UR CVs are 3-3-3 even if they have 9 planes
secondly Amagi has higher efficiencies per slot than other CVs
thirdly her skill set

[atomic abyss]

Shinano

Amagi

[rain bobcat]

she beats shinano by 5% efficiency

and shinano has 1 whole extra plane

[boreal wagon]

thats not 5% but sure

[finite crag]

source: i made it up

[grizzled sundial]

Eh , wasn't Hakuryu got beaten instead ?

[whole crypt]

maybe, wait for testing™️

[sinful escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UmZ27PVEAs

[still rock]

@atomic abyss Who do i use for vanguard

[whole crypt]

level, LB, gear

[rain bobcat]

sure 1205 isnt more than 1200

[whole crypt]

where does 1205 and 1200 even come from

[short wagon]

iis it 5% tho

[rain bobcat]

total efficiency

[boreal wagon]

total sum which is arguably not that useful of a metric

[whole crypt]

why the hell would you count it like that

[willow crag]

So how does the calculation work

[rain bobcat]

its only to make a point that she has very high effieciency while being 8 plane

[whole crypt]

that's not how planes work but sure

[boreal wagon]

it sounded like the opposite ngl
but i get u

[rain bobcat]

literally the only argument was amagi bad because 8 plane and hence proved that amagi isnt bad because her effiiciencies are on par with 9 plane

[whole crypt]

well different plane types contribute differently

and another thing is different plane count also affects launch time

[rain bobcat]

that's not the point of the argument but yes that is also right

[whole crypt]

probably better

[atomic abyss]

the short is that, higher efficiencies can more valuable because they scale better in the damage calculations in certain areas

and because of her skill set, the buffs she gets are much larger

sara sucks by comparison

[plain saffron]

agree

[willow crag]

Hmm… if so how does Amagi fair against other UR CVs? Her role is more of debuff and buff if I understand her skills right? Torp meme great again?

[atomic abyss]

paper numbers puts amagi CV as the 2nd best CV in the game against heavy armour

[whole crypt]

we haven't tested her enough to tell you clearly

[civic crag]

How tf u comparing a UR with a retro sr lol

[willow crag]

Whos the first?

[rain bobcat]

too early but some CN calcs say she's slightly better than haku

[atomic abyss]

nakhimov

[willow crag]

I should wait for a couple of days then?

[rain bobcat]

just wait atleast 10 more days for ppl to get a good feeling

[tropic tusk]

is it possible that people 1 shot a lvl 15 meta nagato? like just play 1 time and she dead

[whole crypt]

wait for what?

[atomic abyss]

not to mention, as you said, she also buffs other torps too (unzen)

[civic crag]

Why is cn the powerscalers in every community lol

[atomic abyss]

yes, quite a few people have done so already

[willow crag]

For people to test stuff out

[whole crypt]

I'd like to repeat Nakhimov is handicapped so that's not totally accurate

[rain bobcat]

dedicated ppl and lots of whales

[tropic tusk]

ok thx

[whole crypt]

before you do what?

[civic crag]

Yeah if you have maxed out nakhimov and shinano

[short wagon]

whats an ix

[rain bobcat]

paper nakhimov uses soy nakhi haku lineup im pretty sure

[plain saffron]

tempesta ships

[willow crag]

Before I max lvl 125 mlb marry her

[atomic abyss]

nakh not needed

[civic crag]

Because their population is 1B

[short wagon]

golden hind fortune stuff?

[rain bobcat]

yes

[plain saffron]

/wiki sailing frigate

[odd root]

No wiki pages found.

[atomic abyss]

frigates

why are you even using AA radars

[plain saffron]

very nice

[tropic tusk]

i only did like 1/5 of her hp looks like i have a long long way to improve, thx guys

[whole crypt]

my advice is if you're going to oath for meta then do it anyway because she'll probably come up at some point and you don't want to grind 100 more affinity in a hurry

[short wagon]

uhmmmmmmmmmm

[civic crag]

Dw I only did 50% lololol

[atomic abyss]

[whole crypt]

paper Nakhimov uses Soyuz which is automatic loss in efficiency because CV buffers don't buff Soyuz

[atomic abyss]

AA radars are quite unnecessary

[willow crag]

No, Im oathing not for meta, its part of my reasoning but I oath people I use the most, which are the metas (which is why I oath Uni and Percy so I can slave them for mobbing)

[whole crypt]

but a ship doesn't need to be the best for you to use her the most

[short wagon]

i see

[whole crypt]

for that matter Perseus is 🚮 nowadays

[civic crag]

Wtf meta>waifu???

[willow crag]

That is true, depends on what I need tho so Ill still wait if it fulfills a certain role I might be lacking

[tropic tusk]

i think ill have to start reading skills soon alotho theres alot to read

[atomic abyss]

ideally, you should aim for a 2hko

[willow crag]

Hey I oathed her when she was still meta, and uni before she was

[whole crypt]

I oath all my UR main fleets but I also oath all my waifus

[tropic tusk]

i mean i am a new play ish so i still missing alot of things

[atomic abyss]

she isn't

[willow crag]

Which is why I nickname Percy and Unicorn Slave 1 and Slave 2

[atomic abyss]

aquila and volga and zuihou do better for levelling underlevelled ships if that's your argument

[rain bobcat]

2 hit kill

[soft raft]

Unicorn's preload after retrofit heals the backline
Aquila and Volga can heal the backline as well

[whole crypt]

she wasn't the only ship that could heal main fleet even back when she was added

[atomic abyss]

they heal the lowest HP% ship

[rain bobcat]

wdym random

[willow crag]

Oh really, I dont use volga and zuihou but Ill consider raising them

[whole crypt]

they're targeted

they literally heal your lowest HP ships first

[atomic abyss]

so if your backline is taking the most damge cos lowest level, they get the healing

in some cases, they are outright more valuable at healing than uni

[whole crypt]

her second tick yes

[short wagon]

i have a twin 100 type98 on sandy rn should i switch it too a twin 127

[atomic abyss]

no, twin 127 is worse

[soft raft]

depends on if you're using Mogador or not
wait no im thinking of a different gun nvm

[short wagon]

mogador at 3* so no

[still rock]

Im running out of auxiliary purple books

[atomic abyss]

unicorn retro is just a better perseus

[short wagon]

i ran out of blue auxiliary

[whole crypt]

and we repeat youtube is a bad source of info for the game

[atomic abyss]

ok, move to #al-general

[soft raft]

Ah yes AL Youtube
A true bastion of accurate game information that is totally not most likely outdated

[willow crag]

Oh right quick question, any youtubers I can watch for Newly released content and testing? Just to pass time

[whole crypt]

jimmy is the closest to anything reliable and still sus

[atomic abyss]

none honestly

[tropic tusk]

not even cn and jp?

[rain bobcat]

jimmy is only sus occasionally

[viscid swift]

Watarase being top 3 for CL damage is an interesting take to say the least

[fast plaza]

does this work on d3/ should i use it to farm event

[soft raft]

also man why did you do wishing well when saving up for URs is much more valueable

[willow crag]

eh, guess Ill keep watching al memes

[soft raft]

Yes it works
but the 2x plans are mainly time savers if you lack the time to grind

[rain bobcat]

yes, yes if time constricted

[whole crypt]

CN vids don't really show up on youtube, good luck digging on bilibili
JP I've honestly not seen much good content either

[atomic abyss]

CN doesnt show on YT cos YT is banned there

[fast plaza]

thank you

[soft raft]

only AL YT content I consider good is the recent lore video lol

[whole crypt]

there are VPNers and TW players who play on CN and post on YT

[willow crag]

Is it accurate?

[rain bobcat]

one of the worst

[atomic abyss]

kimo chese is HORRIBLE lol

[south sequoia]

Kimocheese sucks

[tropic tusk]

tbh it would be nice to see someone talk about new patch n all that , would be nice

[soft raft]

it's not a detailed summary but it gets alot of the major points
fairly condensed watch at just under a hour

[whole crypt]

kimo is 🚮

[south sequoia]

You might as well turn to just3c

[unique lantern]

i dont have any of the recommended guns for brest, any tech pack alternates to them? or do i have a suitable one left (minus the ägir one)

[whole crypt]

pinnacle of making hot takes to generate engagement

[plain saffron]

i only watch best AL youtuber suchiguma

[south sequoia]

Oh wait nevermind j3c stopped

[atomic abyss]

kimo is grossly misinformed

[south sequoia]

Very bad advices in general

[soft raft]

Misinformation and straigth up grossly incorret bullshit

[rain bobcat]

horrible advices with outrageous takes

[atomic abyss]

he has been giving bad advice for YEARS

[plain saffron]

and even if it's right it's for old player plus tryhard like him

[south sequoia]

Like one time, he literally downplayed TENRAI

[whole crypt]

hot takes to generate engagement
doesn't actually understand game
doesn't retract bad takes

[south sequoia]

like he said some gold plane was better or equivalent to tenrai

[atomic abyss]

he shd be renamed kimoi-cheese lol

[south sequoia]

which is like

[soft raft]

maybe the one below agir gun for anti-light but for most of the time, she'll be using Agir gun

Her own gun sucks due to the high reload time

[south sequoia]

????

[rain bobcat]

the closest you get to good is jimmy if you watch with a bit of salt

[whole crypt]

jimmy is literally the only vid maker that tests shit worth a grain of salt

[atomic abyss]

a spoonfull of salt

[unique lantern]

no like i mean, can i substitute an easy to get gun for her, im leveling my URs right now :c

[whole crypt]

even then he gets it wrong occasionally

[short wagon]

whos jimmy

[rain bobcat]

atleast you dont need the pacific ocean

[atomic abyss]

if you're just levelling, it doesnt matter

[south sequoia]

... jimmy is jimmy

an al youtuber

[whole crypt]

I don't see how that matters, we don't recommend vids for guides

[primal silo]

It's fine.
I think there was somebody else who did that before you.

[south sequoia]

not sure what more needs to be explained

[short wagon]

hey man im just curious

[whole crypt]

well then he's a youtuber who posts about AL, name is literally just jimmy

[soft raft]

This then ig
Triple 283mm (SK C/28) not the SK C/34

[civic crag]

Other than b2 enty and sandykai which 2 ships should I send for compiler battle support

[inland shoal]

Why none of those 3?

[whole crypt]

whatever your guild lacks

[soft raft]

i mean it's not like you cant use them in your own ops if you put them in support

[civic crag]

I’m using them

[whole crypt]

for the record San Diego is 🚮 for compiler and Enterprise lacks consistency

[inland shoal]

Putting them as support doesn't change anything about how and where you can use them

[civic crag]

Huh wait but the last time I send them for support and they weren’t there when I selected my fleet

[whole crypt]

you can use ships that you "lend" to your guild, it doesn't affect your formation

[rain bobcat]

oh they reskinned the curry in dorm again

[civic crag]

Weird, ok good to know thsnks

[civic crag]

This I mean

[whole crypt]

because mid-autumn festival is a thing

[civic crag]

I don’t have any other damage vanguards

[night pumice]

is it worth going to 125 on all of my ships that are lvl 120? or will 120 be fine mostly

[south sequoia]

also doesnt putting them in support also save the gear they were using on them at that time, so even if you swap out gears it'll stay the same

[whole crypt]

125 is mostly for ships you'll use to tackle 14+ and bosses in OS

[novel solstice]

You will rapidly discover that you don't have enough cog arrays to 125 very many ships.
Focus on ships you use for the hardest content; your serious damage dealers first, followed by your tank

[unique lantern]

time to level my disappointments then (not alsace, luv u)

[civic crag]

Is AP or HE better for compiler

[soft raft]

iirc Complier's heavy armor
so AP

[civic crag]

Champy gun yes?

[soft raft]

yuh

[still rock]

Where do i check the rewards for completing a class

[tropic tusk]

does meta kasumi works for the event mission where it says use max LB kasumi

[soft raft]

like the fleet tech and stuff? Research -> Fleet Technology

[atomic abyss]

aim to drop her from the map

[rain bobcat]

memento

[inner delta]

meta and normal isn't the same ship

[tropic tusk]

oh ok

[soft raft]

just save
See if you can drop her from B/D3 by the time event ends, if not, buy from shop

[novel solstice]

Farm the event map where she drops, either you get her there or you eventually have enough points to get from shop. Save your cubes for next event.

[soft raft]

(Memento doesnt really categorize by class tho)

[atomic abyss]

they can

[whole crypt]

it's cheaper in oil to buy her with points with 3-oil B1

[soft raft]

these event METAs have been the shop ship
And the shop ship is always a map drop regradless if they're a META or not (Unless it's a UR)

[civic crag]

There’s no point 3 starring hard event maps right

[whole crypt]

also B1 doesn't need a geared Ranger so that makes things easier

[whole crypt]

if you already 3-starred normal yes

[atomic abyss]

no if you alr 3* normal

[civic crag]

Ight Ight got it fam

[hushed delta]

hewo, quick question, does helena meta proc the USS immortality chicken?

[atomic abyss]

no

[hushed delta]

T.T

that was fast

[soft raft]

META ships belong to their own faction so they dont qualify for faction specific gear like that

And likewise, they cant contribute to research XP grind

[still rock]

Whats the difference between putting a ship on flagship slot and putting it on a diff one

[hushed delta]

yea but she also wants USS gear for a skill and that made me doubt

[whole crypt]

some barrages centre around the ship's position and may have bad coverage if they're not flag
flagships have 1.5x XP bonus
some skills have conditions based on position

[soft raft]

flagship gets a XP bonus
some ships (Namely BBs) need flag position otherwise half of their barrage careens offscreen
And if the flagship dies, the entire fleet goes down with her

[still rock]

i see

[night pumice]

anyone have a good ironblood fleet for grinding out xp for labs? or should I just slot ships into my normal fleet and keep replaying 6-4 or something

[keen sable]

Can be a lot of factors. Weapons can come from the ship spot. More exp. Dead flagship = dead you. Skill says something about flagship. Etc.

[soft raft]

technically that gear is USS so it would count, it's just that it'd be literally useless on Helena META since she cant proc the immortality effect thingy

just give her like a American Quad bofors

[whole crypt]

for a start stop trying to grind XP before ch9

[keen sable]

D3 exists

[whole crypt]

or just give her rudder

[night pumice]

already on ch9, but I'm not about to take a lvl 50 ship or whatever into 9-4

[whole crypt]

then push to ch12 because you can take a lv50 ship to 12-1

[night pumice]

can you actually? huh

[whole crypt]

obviously not a whole fleet of 50s

when I started bringing Nagato META she was 17 with no durability gear, for what it's worth

[still rock]

is it bad to have a full carrier backlane? cause my frontlane cant deal with the bomb ships ( usually 1 gets through )

[whole crypt]

if you're going anywhere with suicide boats then don't do full carriers

[soft raft]

not exactly ideal outside of W12-13 mob fleet for that exact reason

[atomic abyss]

outside w12/13 usually a questionable odea

[unique lantern]

w12 and w13 dont have suicide boats?

[whole crypt]

they do but only on cargo nodes

[soft raft]

only on cargo nodes
they mostly go take a nap before coming back with a vengance in W14 and mellow out back to normal in W15

[still rock]

I'm using odin because she moves to the front of the flagship and so her barrage lands

[misty dust]

How good is New Ultra reward ships

[soft raft]

Gacha UR always stronk
As for exactly how stronk, check back in like a week when people have actually raised her skills

[tropic tusk]

i saw on twitter saying they will collab with to love ru are we going to get her this year or the next?

[misty dust]

isnt Amagi(CV)
one the best for later world around w14-w15

[unique lantern]

the debuff looks pretty insane

[soft raft]

probably
Tho read the last sentence again

[soft raft]

most likely this November

[misty dust]

👍

[tropic tusk]

oh ok thx

[elfin hollow]

do we know the numbers on nagato meta's barrage?

is it basically a big seven sakura at 100% proc?

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/BarrageDatamine

basically yes, with extras

[elfin hollow]

also, why did they choose to use a buff that contradicts the barrage skill?

like, why have to pick between using sakuras for the buff and neglecting the barrage

[atomic abyss]

we aren;t the devs

[whole crypt]

just don't use the buff or go with less barrage
#game-feedback is that way

[atomic abyss]

people tend to forget that og sakura 7 barrage is already very strong

[civic crag]

Is there a way to customise quick retire settings

[elfin hollow]

considering nagato also buffed reload avi and acc, nagato meta won't be better for support, right?

[atomic abyss]

go to build, go to retire, there';s a gear icon on the left

[atomic abyss]

she's not meant to support yes

unlike og nagato, she's meant to dps

[whole crypt]

except you don't even use OG Nagato for that support anymore

short of needing the RLD to meet some weird timings Musashi just straight off deals more damage than the buffs will add

[elfin hollow]

can't i fire 1 more airstrike with shinano and haku due to nagato's buff in meta fights though?

[whole crypt]

that depends on what planes you use on them, and it also means you can't bring stop support

[cursive lark]

Last airstrike wouldn't do anything without root support

[whole crypt]

you can actually do 4-strike without Nagato but depends on planes

[civic crag]

Wait holy shit what the hell why is amagi cross fleet so good

[whole crypt]

also needs considerable CV RLD tech

[wary timber]

so i need initial thoughts on the CV Amagi and Hiei Meta

[eager mulch]

UR good

[atomic abyss]

nagato's viability as a support depends on your other options

[whole crypt]

UR CV is UR CV
gold BC is gold BC

[atomic abyss]

UR means very good
how very good we dont know

[cursive lark]

Is there any reason why soyuz barrage hurts so much? Like all my 3 ships just immediately die

[atomic abyss]

hiei is a gold BB/C in a UR BB/C meta
so meh

[whole crypt]

because she hits like a truck yes

[eager mulch]

UR good, soyuz is UR

Soyuz good

[elfin hollow]

also, opinion about maryland retro?

[frank pulsar]

cuz soyuz slaps
if your vanguard is getting nuked by her then consider better vanguard options, ask #pvp for that though (check their pins first)

[boreal oriole]

How is Maryland Compared to her sisters tho

[whole crypt]

you just reminded me I forgot to retrofit her
still worse than Nelson

[cursive lark]

I read the pvp guide and it felt like I'm reading fantasy

[atomic abyss]

they're all good bossing BBs, meant to be used in BB fleets

nelson is still way more versatile

[cursive lark]

I finally understand why the channel pvp exists, people who don't play pvp are missing out

Time to farm grey weapons

[frank pulsar]

no we arent
pvp is just auto, get the wins, ignore

[atomic abyss]

i haven't played pvp for years

it's main purpose is gold bulins

[civic crag]

Is ur amagi likely to power creep hakuryuu

[cursive lark]

You get 3000 less merits though

[atomic abyss]

based on paper numbers, that is a likely possibility, yes

[viscid swift]

how?

[civic crag]

Skill wise?

[frank pulsar]

i dont see an issue with that
we get too much of it anyway

[whole crypt]

you can take 90% of my current merits and I'll be fine for the next year or so

[boreal oriole]

Is Constellation really that good she's TO

[soft raft]

not like there's really much to buy in merit shop
the only time I've picked it up in a while was to get Eldridge

[viscid swift]

getting Admiral of the Navy is hardly difficult

[atomic abyss]

yeah her skills are pretty strong, and she buffs all other sakura torps even more too

[eager mulch]

I don’t play pvp and im living my best life

[cursive lark]

But but bullins

[atomic abyss]

100% proc rate goes a loooong way

[frank pulsar]

you can check in ectl own server on their reasoning behind the tiering if uw

[eternal basalt]

Daily check for cube. That's it.

[whole crypt]

I do PvP until I forget then, I stop doing it for that week

[worldly pewter]

u know that sara doesn't have one singular TB slot right

[civic crag]

Same reason why AvP is good

[civic crag]

The only bulins I want are UR ones

[novel solstice]

I'll start playing PvP if they put cog chips in the PvP shop. Until then, there's no point.

[whole crypt]

I won't say I don't need bulins, I'll just say you can take 90% of my merits away from me and I'll still be able to buy bulins

[civic crag]

You can get the occasional cube tho

[frank pulsar]

one extra cube a week is like, nothing

[soft raft]

damn you're a hour late to that convo
Also plane loadout composition is not that huge of a factor outside of if they have interception capability or not

[novel solstice]

Sure, but the occasional cube is occasional enough that a once-a-day pvp just to clear the quest is more than enough.

[whole crypt]

that's 50 extra cubes a year

[civic crag]

Wait I just realised amagi cv and shimakaze would go crazy lololol

[viscid swift]

the reason I'm doing PvP right now is because I wanna max limit break every ship in the game, that's the only reason

[whole crypt]

shit adds up man

[cursive lark]

Hmm I guess it just so happens that sr bullin sources without merits are pretty abundant to the point where one can not have merit and somehow keep up with the new SRs

[frank pulsar]

still doesnt matter
im a casual atm and im able to pull 90% of the events and all of the ur

[eternal basalt]

Already done

[whole crypt]

the reason I'm doing PvP is hoarding, I just like more merit even though I have absolutely no use for more

[eager mulch]

u know that message was sent and answered an hour ago right

[cursive lark]

Yea, I think someone in reddit is cooking a full ijn torp fleet

[whole crypt]

and it will fail spectacularly

[cursive lark]

I mean it is situational for non moving boss

[eager mulch]

sounds bad

[whole crypt]

unfortunately every single boss that matters in the game moves

[cursive lark]

Huh I thought magat does not move

[whole crypt]

she does

[eager mulch]

she moves

[potent plume]

hello! are there any interesting META ships (gold or purple) to play for early or mid game? i've seen jintsuu quite a bit in pvp but apart from her, not too much

[whole crypt]

just because a ship doesn't keep moving the whole fight doesn't mean she won't move at all, or won't move at key timings

she will most definitely move around 3rd-4th strike timings

also a fair bit at the opening

[soft raft]

outside of fleet technology (which is a more mid/late game thing), the gold ones are basically "Good but better options exist" and the elite ones are almost universally doodoo garbage

Fortune META used to be the exception to this rule, but iirc her reign in #pvp is waning slightly

[potent plume]

that's what I thought, too bad, thanks for the reply!

[atomic abyss]

CV

[cursive lark]

Cv 3 strike

[soft raft]

Yamato Gun

[whole crypt]

it gave me 1 oneshot out of yesterday's 5 attempts

[eager mulch]

what does “basically converting torpedo bombers” mean

[atomic abyss]

converging, i assume

[eager mulch]

not ok then

[whole crypt]

I'm keeping this comp until a better one without Helena shows up

[eager mulch]

indep will desync

[soft raft]

how much BB and CV RLD tech was that?

[whole crypt]

BB max CV 16 + oath

[soft raft]

fuck

[atomic abyss]

replace indep with someone else - she wont sync

[whole crypt]

you can probably get away with less but may miss stop timings

[atomic abyss]

what are your UR options actually

[soft raft]

I'll just stick with the regular triple sync comps lol

[whole crypt]

well I want something that can oneshot without Helena

[atomic abyss]

monarch isn't UR 🤨

i think it's better to just show what you have in a thread

[soft raft]

^

[still rock]

whats the better faction techbox

[eager mulch]

Eagle Union

[soft raft]

Iron Blood has the good quad mag torpedoes
but Eagle Union has a better share of good gear

[hollow gust]

Ricest cooked something fun

[whole crypt]

is it going to oneshot Nagato META

I'm more than willing to push Amagi up the priority list for leveling if it does

[viscid swift]

according to him yes

Amagi CV, Hakuryu, Shinano, Mogador, Kazagumo, Unzen

[cursive lark]

[frank pulsar]

whats mog doing there

[viscid swift]

to stop Nagato with her lunging

[cursive lark]

Mogs doing heavy lifting since last meta fights

[frank pulsar]

this is like the second time ive seen her being used as a meta pick and not just a good pick

[cursive lark]

Same I thought she's gonna be overshadowed by unzen or hinden

[atomic abyss]

unzen does really well for this meta tbh

[dawn crest]

I don't know if I'm lucky or unlucky, 190 pull and I get 2 Amagi UR direct, should I do another 10 pulls to get the pity dupe?

[frank pulsar]

hinden not that great compared to unzen on heavy

[atomic abyss]

1 build a day

[frank pulsar]

might as well tbh, but maybe spread out to like 3 build a day for the mission
or build once a day like ender suggested

[dawn crest]

thanks

[whole crypt]

got the build?

[viscid swift]

no, I think he was still playing around with it but it was a 3 strike set up iirc

[keen sable]

You can take a L1 ship to Chapter 12 quite safely. But it remains that D3 is far better than 6 and 9. And frankly D3 is better than 12+ as long as the event points are useful to you.

[steep moat]

i got 2 amagi cv should i limit break her or no ?

[strong tartan]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

yes, no point in dupes

[steep moat]

ok ty

[keen sable]

Especially if you are short bulins, 10 cubes for a ur bulin is worth it.

[left tiger]

is there a priority in who to catch up in PR5?

[cursive lark]

Is there something "super strong" about the lineup chikuma suzunami kazagumo? I heard it from reddit

[alpine trench]

is it worth t buying

[frank pulsar]

kazagumo is the only relevant ship there

[cursive lark]

Or is it just some ijn vang memes

[viscid swift]

sounds like cope trying to run Amagi CV, Shinano, and Hakuryu

[keen sable]

Not right now

[alpine trench]

[keen sable]

Save 8000 and wait for event to end. (Or spend 8000 and get 8000 new)

[atomic abyss]

That's unbelievably cope

[cursive lark]

Well I asked because they somehow explain basic things like plane efficiency and haku powercreep

Sounds like one of you but apparently not

[atomic abyss]

The backline isn't very questionable
The frontline is very questionable outside kaza

Suzunami is trash anyways

[south sequoia]

Does chikuma and suzunami even hold a candle to sirius and helena??

[cursive lark]

Anyways there is no reason to spend 8000 for second hiei meta right?

[cursive lark]

From what I heard, no

[south sequoia]

The shop sells the crystals for 2k...

[cursive lark]

Somehow having a copy does not lock the 8k option

Or can one actually have more than one heta

Like the 2 laffeys 2

[plain saffron]

any copy auto convert to crystal

[cursive lark]

I'll test it out for science

[plain saffron]

i already did

[fervent hearth]

this is for helena extreme fight right?

[cursive lark]

Oh welp

[cursive lark]

You're right. Welp it's not like there's anything to buy in the shop

[drifting moth]

whats the best team for helena fight?

[viscid swift]

Bismarck Zwei plus 2 UR BBs

[stoic flicker]

is there a fleet I can make to beat EX Hard or is it too hard for my current ships?

[whole crypt]

is there some reason you want to beat EX hard

[stoic flicker]

not really just need the feeling of completion

[silk helm]

is lvl 70 cassin/downs considered aa carry?

[eager mulch]

ex hard needs manual play

[viscid swift]

no

[cursive lark]

What

[silk helm]

which should i choose between these two

[crimson glacier]

doesnt matter

[cursive lark]

Whatever you have left

[eager mulch]

if its a lb0 lv70 cassin/downes then aa is literally useless

[silk helm]

haha damn

[cursive lark]

[silk helm]

im just tryna clear the stages without spending that much oil

[cursive lark]

Wait are you... have you been making like threads in the past about trying to clear 11-3 but you are timed out or something

[silk helm]

i think my last thread was opsi... i dont remember bro

[cursive lark]

Huh I see, sorry for the confusion

[quartz jungle]

The one above is a straight up better version of bofors, more damage and range

[silk helm]

oh rlly? thats good to know, i have a lot of them

[drifting moth]

vanguard?

[viscid swift]

sure

[drifting moth]

no like
vanguard ships?

[viscid swift]

could be any number of options

Agir, Hindenburg, Plymouth, Moagdor, Aurora, etc

[livid badger]

whats cv amagi's best fleet?

[cursive lark]

They are cooking with it

Let em cook

[livid badger]

fair

[cursive lark]

But one thing is clear, she can replace haku's fleet in heavy comps

But that's what she can do, we don't know her 120% power yet, we must let the azurlane matpat cook

[patent pivot]

first round of my tests will be done in like 40 minutes

[drifting moth]

i feel like im doing something wrong

[fervent hearth]

what fleets are peeps using the helena extreme?

[cobalt rapids]

yes very wrong, u need u proc threat detection on a dmg type different than ur backline if u want a shot

[stoic flicker]

whats the best stage/lvl/whatever they're called for lvling up a ship?

[viscid swift]

12-1 or 12-4

[eager mulch]

D3

[cobalt rapids]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rgPzJCNlILOdhHXxvqCEXbTLvned36nwsRAEl_269mQ/edit#heading=h.luo5ed8h5oht example fleets here

[fervent hearth]

o pog

[cursive lark]

D3 is basicslly 11-1

[silk helm]

• added bonus of event rewards

[tawdry sluice]

Yeah farm D3 until you buy everything you want from the shop

[cursive lark]

And then do 11-1

Or higher or as high as you can

[tawdry sluice]

12-1 over 11-1. not really worth farming stages before World 12

[short wagon]

do we fw XF5U

[peak plume]

how much dmg does ryuusei have at +13?

[atomic abyss]

flapjacks are worth crafting
best fighter

[atomic abyss]

uh, in comparison to?

[peak plume]

i mean this DMG

[atomic abyss]

it shouldn't matter

[short wagon]

xf5u>>f7f yes?

[crimson glacier]

+13 is always 18% more dmg compared to +10 in every gear

[peak plume]

so how much it is?

[crimson glacier]

its 18% more

[peak plume]

[atomic abyss]

why do you need to know anyways

it's not a relevant stat for most intents and purposes

[short wagon]

i only have triple 238mm cb gun rn and like i kinda need a better one but i missed out on rainbow guam gun

[atomic abyss]

it's only relevant if you want to like, hand calculate dps

if you have been doing pr4 research, you should have agir guns

[short wagon]

which one is agir gun

[thick venture]

whats a good opsi fleet for fast clears

[atomic abyss]

trip 305

[short wagon]

top or btotom

[atomic abyss]

bottom

[short wagon]

i think i almost have enough...?

[atomic abyss]

unicorn with any combination of bearn meta, independence, impero, aquila or chise (gridman)

[cursive lark]

UvH good too

[atomic abyss]

uvh doesnt do it as fast as them

[eager mulch]

uvh good

[cursive lark]

But pretty fast for strongholds

[frank pulsar]

just look at wiki
wiki show dmg/stats for +0 +10 and +13 iirc

[eager mulch]

isnt uvh faster than at least indep

isnt indep -25%? uvh is -50%

[frank pulsar]

indep is -40% on first strike

[cursive lark]

The problem with fast clear with preload is when your fleet is autoing a boss

[eager mulch]

meh, indep still slower than uvh

[thick venture]

which vanguards for opsi?

[atomic abyss]

triple CV is better because they dont have the aiming animation

[frank pulsar]

uvh got that bb time though

[atomic abyss]

same in battle time =/= same irl time

[cursive lark]

Good point

[cursive lark]

All rainbows

[atomic abyss]

unzen, DDG, hinden

[cursive lark]

Other than laf2 and eldridge kai

[thick venture]

oke doke

[short wagon]

yeah as it turns out i only have 7 because i forgot to switch research from fdg to agir

[eager mulch]

saving literal seconds

[atomic abyss]

he asked for fast clears

[cursive lark]

Carries over for like 72 clears

[thick venture]

real

[cursive lark]

To be fair there is no proof that indep will be more than 1s faster than uvh

[sleek vessel]

What is the build for amagi CV?

[cursive lark]

It's just an educated wish

[atomic abyss]

4:40

[atomic abyss]

you also dont want uvh to be too close to your other stagger tho

[short wagon]

what website is this btw

[atomic abyss]

https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/

[short wagon]

🙏

[cursive lark]

For me I just chose soyuz to burst the final elite

[sleek vessel]

What plane i should use for amagi cv?

[spring bolt]

just use uni + aquila + any half preload cv for ops mob fleet, usual battle time is around 7-17s, and if use correct vanguards this fleet will also solo strongholds

[atomic abyss]

fighter db and tb if you dont know what you're doing
standard cv gear

which is what i said

[hollow gust]

~~Should total use this ~~

[sleek vessel]

Only half reload

[eager mulch]

tbh id take fighter/tb/tb over fighter/db/tb

[rose cosmos]

How do I retire kasumi meta

[silk helm]

how tf did u alr oath

[atomic abyss]

you cant retire metas
you dont need to anyways
they dont take up dock space

[eager mulch]

he played the game

[cursive lark]

Overtime unpaid ship exploitation

[eager mulch]

its not rocket science

[silk helm]

thats crazy

[sleek vessel]

that's my plane rn

Idk if mess. Good

[soft raft]

that +7 BTD-1 is a mistake
that +10 purple one too

[hollow gust]

Should've had it done last night , if you get her to mvp the whole time , it's easy

[manic lintel]

For amagi CV, is it worth fielding kaga/akagi to get that first airstrike ready ahead of time? :x

[eager mulch]

no

[sleek vessel]

Oof, sadly the purple i only cleared w10 and now I'm in w11 lmao

[hollow gust]

Akaga sucks , you don't use ships that suck no matter how much they buff

[boreal oriole]

You don't want them to launch at the same time

[soft raft]

Akaga would still be dogshit and have their outdated statlines compared to well

Haku and Shinano's existisnce

[sleek vessel]

I can hear my phone saying "please don't go to w13" lmao

[soft raft]

That's true in campaign
but not most bossing content outside of that

[sleek vessel]

Now i must ask again what's the good plane for amagi

[soft raft]

heavily context and composition dependent
Especially when her gear possibilites are especially more varied with her having two flexible slots

[eager mulch]

without context id use flapjack, spearfish, spearfish

[sleek vessel]

Heavily context

[soft raft]

?

[eager mulch]

he said heavily context

[plain saffron]

people oath + 125 in 1 day even before exp pack exist

[silk helm]

thats crazy, i can do cdc 1 in one day and that's already a challenge

[sleek vessel]

Yea, idk what he meant by it

[eager mulch]

means what gear you use on amagi depends on where you use amagi

[viscid swift]

it means her loadout can and will change depending on the content and fleet

best gear is always context dependent

best in slot isn't a thing in AL, no one size fits all

[soft raft]

and then in return i didnt know what you mean when you just said two words back to me

but in general, a ship's gear changes depending on the content you're using her in

[short wagon]

do we fw roon gun

[eager mulch]

depends

[sleek vessel]

Ohh i see, well i want to use her on w11 to w13 since "w13" will make my phone lag 💀

Which is kinda need help

[short wagon]

do i +13 the rainbow 406

[viscid swift]

our basic poverty set up then

[sleek vessel]

Ohh thank

[eager mulch]

real question is whether or not amagi is mlb

[sleek vessel]

Still no

[eager mulch]

so dont use her

shes dogshit unless shes mlb

[bold cove]

Lacking gold to mlb her

[sleek vessel]

Just need 1 ur bullin..

[soft raft]

a 0LB ship wont help you clear W13 at all

[eager mulch]

a 2lb ship still wont help

i get the feeling this person spreads their bulins around

[bold cove]

Ur feeling is true

[sleek vessel]

Well I'll just grind tomorrow..

[fiery raptor]

does a chkalov/nakhimov fleet take over any of the fleets in opsi? also who is a good 3rd ship and vanguard ships?

ot is the yorkii/kear/avp compo stil better?

[crisp current]

Any recommended fleets for w15? Dont have Soyuz mogador or eldridge retro

[soft raft]

/w15

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PHOpBGltnFNemxxsATJ-Qx-buk4HSh1jnIYFeK9EqhI/edit?usp=sharing

[eager mulch]

have you tried /w15 in #bot-spam

[crisp current]

Didnt know that was a thing thanks

[soft raft]

holy fuck is anyone else getting plauged by a crap ton of forced relaunches

Shit's eaten both of the free attempts on the META fight today

[viscid swift]

nope

[eager mulch]

not me

[shell willow]

on new ui? i run old and dont notice a diff

[forest palm]

I've only had one force restart

[soft raft]

im on old UI

I've had this issue before as well but it was months ago and it wasnt to this extent

I've had like 5 today alone

[errant bloom]

Is there an article on PR & DR ships I can reference?

[eager mulch]

wdym article

[cursive lark]

There was a game update today

[errant bloom]

Like guide?

[fiery raptor]

devopment priority

[short wagon]

could i use this over a toolkit

[fiery raptor]

i remember there was one

[soft raft]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[errant bloom]

Thanks

[soft raft]

as another aux instead of a 2nd toolbox for DDs yee

[cursive lark]

Toolkit have healing though

[eager mulch]

toolkit healing is microscopic

[short wagon]

the cny event yat sen umbrella works too right

[fiery raptor]

dead enemies save more hp

[manic lintel]

do people care about oil costs or is that secondary now?

[eager mulch]

depends on the person

[cursive lark]

Some content yeah but mostly no because oilcap exists

[fiery raptor]

not in the higher worlds with oilcap

[novel solstice]

oilcap has made oil cost irrelevant for me. Oil feels fairly plentiful, I'm mostly limited by cog chips which are only sort of farmable.

[manic lintel]

Uhh.. so is oilcap an upper cost limit? never been to the higher worlds.

[shell willow]

yes

[fiery raptor]

world 9 onwards yes

[short wagon]

should i get a homing beacon to replace one of the steam catapults on yk2 on my boss fleet

[fiery raptor]

before that before you have the canteen upgraded, you still have those ships like portland and penny that can help save you on oil running full fleets, you shouldn't need to be running full gold or multi ultra fleets at that point

iirc you can hit w9 with just the 1 fleet

portland, uni, your starter dd, penny... that should limit the number of golds you run, until uni and starter get full retro

[short wagon]

@atomic abyss

[hollow gust]

Unless the gold are enterprise or hood , they are virtually never used early on

[atomic abyss]

no, beacons are niche

[short wagon]

okay

[topaz smelt]

You still want a set of them eventually

[atomic abyss]

just not early on

[topaz smelt]

It's not even bad early as poverty catas

[fiery raptor]

did you prestige class back into lvl 1 how do you get the newbie mark again

[short wagon]

i got the gold one if that matters

[topaz smelt]

Unless you have like 6+

[atomic abyss]

by leaving the server for months on end

[short wagon]

i think i have more than 6

[topaz smelt]

You generally want a few sets of shells, 3 beacons, 3 sets of sub aux, ddg gear when needed

[soft raft]

and Independence