gameplay-help

[plain saffron]

prob better to add the way to find discord uid in gform itself 🏃‍♂️

[iron meteor]

is the event ship good? the one that drops

[vernal edge]

What does drone do exactly? Summons the drone that shoots or what?

[jaunty vault]

shoots stuff

[vernal edge]

So, phantom dd gun?

[jaunty vault]

she's not anything unordinary

[jaunty vault]

drone goes away after a while and only appears once per battle

and it does barely any damage

if you're talking about drones from her skill, they drop some shit that heals lowest HP vanguard when they come close

[vernal edge]

Nah, equip

[plain saffron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1273588352699858968/1273593445558255697/Recording-2024-08-15-180915.mp4?ex=66c27993&is=66c12813&hm=d85925a2170d142e2857451be650b05fe0b87b52b7ab4d609e16614c8d39377a&

does the 2 on the right also gives guild contribution and capital?

[vernal edge]

Wait, is there a certain devlvl threshold where free coin stuff doesnt work and only 30% discount that is left?

[jaunty vault]

no

[vernal edge]

It didnt reset

[jaunty vault]

resets in 20 mins

don't ask me why

[vernal edge]

Oh, its separate

[jaunty vault]

discounted enhancements always refresh 4hrs after server reset

[jaunty vault]

all 3 should contribute the same
i think

[normal thistle]

Nelson, Unicorn, Saratoga is okay?

[grizzled sundial]

Type 1 AP shell or Super Heavy shell ?

[atomic abyss]

type 1 AP

[fathom sable]

What's the best DD ship other than Laffey II?

[atomic abyss]

for what purpose?

laffey 2 isn't the best at everything

[worldly pewter]

i think the typical URs answer fits it

[atomic abyss]

like - it's best to look at ship roles, rather than just their hull type

[fathom sable]

She's the only one who sitting at EX tier on DD section and she's quite a pain to deal with on PVP?

[atomic abyss]

laffey 2 is so good precisely because she isn't a "normal DD"

she's strong at AA, strong at tanking because of her skills
most DDs simply aren't like that

[plain saffron]

she's EX with tank tag

[worldly pewter]

it is better to go read her skills and not judge based on these factors

[atomic abyss]

most DDs are frail and horrendous at AA

[grizzled sundial]

All i see is miss miss miss when shell hit her

[atomic abyss]

and the other limited UR DDs are more in on the damage front

[fathom sable]

Now i figured why she's so persistent

[civic crag]

Is Graf zeppelin or AvP a better carrier for mobbing

[atomic abyss]

avp is more for opsi bossing
Graf Zep for sure

neither are good at AA though

[civic crag]

I have sandykai in the vgd it’s all good

[atomic abyss]

then again if it's w12 it doesn't matter

ultimately more important to get avp levelled to 120/125 anyways

[civic crag]

Yeah I’m just grinding xp for FdG

[civic crag]

Why

[atomic abyss]

because level advantage contributes heavily to damage
as a bosser in OPSI, where enemies can cross level 110 or even 125, you need every bit of advantage possible if you want to squeeze out KOs

[civic crag]

Oh I see

[meager gyro]

what more do i need to beat 11-3?

[worldly pewter]

[vernal edge]

Balls? Be more specific where you fail

[full leaf]

does the daily raids quick battle affect the rewards gained?

[atomic abyss]

you get your usual drops, but since you spend no oil you get no exp

[full leaf]

oh yay

[civic crag]

Is slaimuda.github.io a reliable place to check how to build ships

[dawn quarry]

Is there anyway to do this faster ;-;

[atomic abyss]

if you don't just blindly follow top to bottom, and actually read why certain gear is recommended, yes

[civic crag]

Ok

[plain saffron]

use correct ships and farm high stage

[atomic abyss]

it's not something to be rushed anyways

[plain saffron]

full fleet, 3 of correct faction, 12-1+

[dawn quarry]

How to check if it's the correct ship?

[worldly pewter]

use the in game filter

[plain saffron]

like for this ship it want Eagle union vanguard. so go filter by that

[dawn quarry]

ahh thanks 🙏

[plain saffron]

also if you're below 11-1 better to focus on progressing
or farm in event stage, achieve 2 thing at once, though slower because less exp per fight

[dawn quarry]

yeah I know

[civic crag]

Can you get ap refills from strongholds

[vernal edge]

Judging from the thread, you lack damage on your boss fleet, unless there is some bullshit gimmick that i fail to remember in 11-3 bossfight like big ass shield, you should be fine. However, change the gun on Alsace to HE because bosses are light armored, might also want to change rudder from san franscisco to the one who dies in the boss fleet, and maybe there is someone else than Aquila, someone with heavy bomb loadout Enterprise for example

[normal thistle]

If I understand correctly, it will replace the Portland as the main tank?

[south sequoia]

No

[vernal edge]

You can, but she is still competitive in CA slot so you need to level Portland too

[crimson glacier]

she is just worse than portland for tank

[south sequoia]

You need to level portland until she is retrofitted until you find someone who is actually better that it will be worth the resources poured into them

Noshiro doesn't do that

[south sequoia]

You would also need to retrofit her because of the starter missions

[meager gyro]

i have no clue what all of this means

[normal thistle]

Then why is there such a difference between them in the community tier list?

[crimson glacier]

coz you fail to read it

[vernal edge]

I will reply in thread then

[crimson glacier]

and noshiro is massively overrated in general, been for years

[warm latch]

you need to get portland to level 100

[south sequoia]

CL's and CA's are tiered differently and noshiro is rated for a different purpose

Noshiros tankiness is oriented towards mobs meanwhile portlands tankiness is oriented towards bosses

[crimson glacier]

if you can tank boss then you can also tank mobs

[normal thistle]

I read her description in the tier list, but I don't understand why she would be given a tank role if she would be useless in the late game?

[south sequoia]

Her survivability relies on enemies with low accuracy and low burst

exactly what earlier content enemies have

however, trying to drag her to w15 and boss fights is asking for her to explode

[normal thistle]

Same with Portland?

[boreal wagon]

and for early game ectl is also not neccesarily the best to follow like a bibel because they do not consider costs at all

[south sequoia]

Yes, the difference between her and portland is that portland is cheaper and you need her for the starter missions
Noshiro is also more expensive to invest in

[normal thistle]

If it's even more expensive, why even invest in Noshiro if I won't need it in the late game?

[zenith heron]

ECTL is mostly entry to mid level suggestions, considering they haven't even updated their tips on the Campaign ever since World 14

[south sequoia]

I mean that's what I'm trying to say
Just don't invest in noshiro

because you already have portland

and you will eventually get better options

[normal thistle]

Then I don't understand these community tier lists, who even creates them?

[south sequoia]

^^

[finite crag]

the community

[south sequoia]

ECTL does not consider costs, it doesn't factor investment
It solely focuses on the performance of the ships

[boreal wagon]

tier lists shouldnt really be used to progress the game

they make a lot of unrealistic assumptions that only really veteran players can meet

if u truly wanted a guide to progress the game you are probably far better of sticking to samheart's guides

[normal thistle]

Why do we need early and mid game tier lists that don't cause much trouble, and isn't all the main content and most players in the late game?

[boreal wagon]

ectl is neither early, mid nor end game

its a definitive listing of all ships using roughly the same assumptions and guidelines

which not neccesarily everyone will agree with just like any other subjective thing

[zenith heron]

like this, its mostly entry to mid level suggestions, considering at high diffuculty ones, like Opsi and worlds 13-15, that is where most of the Community tierlist's suggestions get out of date...

[normal thistle]

It feels like tier lists are just a meme. Anyway, what's a cheap and decent replacement for the portland as a late game main tank?

[atomic abyss]

Firstly, w12/13 is considered late game... Which most players dont even reach if you trust what's revealed in anniversary streams
W14/15 is the current end game and is way harder than all other content
What makes it worse is that what's good for w14 isn't necessarily good for w15

[atomic abyss]

Portland is the definition of the cheap and decent tank
Anything else isn't gonna be "cheap" lol

Or won't be as tanky

[civic crag]

Is there a way to stop being automatically sent to a new zone after completing a story chapter in OpSi

[atomic abyss]

I don't believe so
You want to complete all new zones anyways

[zenith heron]

one of the best tanks are Anchorage, and she isn't cheap, because you need to grind her in order to get her, like exp from said faction fleet, retrofit blueprints, coins, etc...

[atomic abyss]

From Portland, you only go upwards

[night crown]

Heya sorry to interrupt, what's a good flagship for mob clearing w14? I'm trying to do the kill all mobs req. I'm running Alsace and Uni on the sides but I can't decide on a good flag. I also feel like im lacking ASW damage-- my vanguard is Brest, Wakatsuki w/ Hedge, Marseillaise.

[normal thistle]

So in this case there is no point in paying attention to tier lists at all, you need to select ships based on specific nodes and boss mechanics in the late game.

[atomic abyss]

Correct

Tier lists are moreso for people that need a quick and easy look and see and don't really care for explanations

If they need explanations, it's more a tier guide than a tier list

[atomic abyss]

Alsace... Should be the flag though

[strong tartan]

Musashi, FDG, Alsace herself prob

Actually not prob it's a def just move her to flag

[atomic abyss]

And honestly that entire frontline is very sus save Brest

[night crown]

whats a good third, if so?

[crimson glacier]

slaimuda is less of a "how useful the ship is" tier list and more of a "when you are at the endgame and dont care about anything, how good a ship can be" tier list

[atomic abyss]

well it depends on what you have, it's usually a carrier though

[crimson glacier]

when i look at the T2 CAs, literally none of them is worth using over portland

[atomic abyss]

as for ASW, give uni an asw plane
also ensure alsace has the triple 155mm kai as her secondary

[normal thistle]

Well, that's what I thought, because I'm a newbie and I don't have much time to study each ship in detail. So I thought it would be enough to just look at the tier lists and pick the right ships based on it. As I understand it, for the early and mid game, a huge number of ships will be useful, and the late game is a completely different story.

[atomic abyss]

ultimately, the advice we give here is that last final push

[night crown]

Ah I thought I needed 2 bbs for suicide boats. Also on the frontline: I thought of Wakatsuki since she has an anti-sub skill + good ASW stat right? And Marseillaise is there since I thought she's tanky + cl + buffs Brest and Alsace.

[crimson glacier]

well its not really that good for endgame either

considering sirius is T2 and gets more use than everyone in T1 combined

only T1 ships that see any use at all is aurora and jda

[atomic abyss]

that's kinda the thing
you don't *need *specific ASW skills
if anything, i'd say your frontline lacks some form of DPS

i'd rather take a better CL/DD and clear the map faster

[crimson glacier]

and even in T0 idk why mainz is there when she sucks on all the hard content lol

[atomic abyss]

honestly the whole tierlist could use a bunch of revisions at the top level...

but that's a topic for another day and place

[normal thistle]

Well, I understood that the guide that is recommended for beginners is just a good start to get to W9 without problems, and then you can study the game in more detail and choose your own fleet for the later content.

[atomic abyss]

ultimately, unless you want to push above w12, it works imo

and the ONLY real reasons to push past w12 (or even w13 are)

the gems
map drop exclusive ships like Bunker Hill, New Orleans, Houston 2

anything else is purely challenging yourself

[night crown]

Hmm okay, the reason I thought of it was because the subs just keep slipping by and my flag just gets destroyed tbh. Should I run someone like Yuudachi/Shimakaze/Unzen instead? Here's some of my top levelled sihps:

[crimson glacier]

unzen cant do any dmg to subs

[atomic abyss]

brest scylla waka could work honestly

[zenith heron]

if you have a shimanto, she is better than Unzen at that world

[atomic abyss]

...assuming that brest is d25 at least

i rather chuck unzen on boss

[normal thistle]

Well, if most players don't advance beyond w12/13 and if I have any difficulties, I can always ask for advice, cuz there are a lot of experienced guys here who have already reached the w15 level?@atomic abyss

[atomic abyss]

yeeep

[night crown]

Oh yeah, I've had my eye on her too. I'm still farming prints on her tho. And yeah Brest is dev30.

[zenith heron]

For now go for Brest, because at least she heals, but next time, Shimanto helps a lot with the 5k hp, damn nice Anti Air, good Torp damage and ASW as well

[worldly pewter]

i advise u to not give a damn TBH

[atomic abyss]

shimanto is just strong for all end game content tbh

and her fate sim only made her better

[night crown]

ye she's nice for sure

[rough vale]

Do we know what are the ships to choose from in the 6th anny selector yet?

[worldly pewter]

noshiro is tech fodder to get haku

[vague merlin]

Don't know where this should go but: I posted something in #trophy-room and yostar messenger sent a dm, but I already submitted my uid when I posted in #memory-lane-6th-anni-recap . Do I send my uid again?

[normal thistle]

You mean Hakuryuu?

[zenith heron]

yes, the usual best duo of Shinano, Hakuryuu herself

[wind hazel]

yeah just do it again, no harm

[worldly pewter]

well for me i got haku way earlier than nano about 3 months earlier

[crimson glacier]

noshiro is kinda expensive for the little amount of tech she gives

gives useless stats too

[normal thistle]

Wouldn't the Saratoga be a cheaper version at roughly the same level of Haku?

[crimson glacier]

lmao no

[zenith heron]

nope

[crimson glacier]

pretty sure haku just sweeps the floor with saratoga

[worldly pewter]

for my case i had to mlb every SR and elites to reach 950
that amount was very tough

[normal thistle]

It's strange, in the tier list they are on the same level, and the description is roughly similar, only Saratoga has more advantages

[wind hazel]

Saratoga is like your bicycle before you get your hand on a Hayabusa

[crimson glacier]

coz you arent equal when you are the same tier

just like how uni and perseus are the same tier but unicorn is better at everything and perseus is pretty bad at endgame content

[wind hazel]

Saratoga is good. But Hakuryuu is goodererer

[worldly pewter]

simply don't follow tier lists

[atomic abyss]

well think about it this way

[strong tartan]

Saratoga is like a well built paper plane before you get your jet airliner

[zenith heron]

in this generation, Saratoga is old news.

She has the highest AVI stat before the release of other ships after Shinano... basically just a 2019 competitor to Enty if I am correct...

[atomic abyss]

saratoga is godly for how early you can get her and how good she is early on

[crimson glacier]

highest avi literally never mattered

[atomic abyss]

it's just that she doesn't excel in any end game content

[crimson glacier]

avi stat is completely useless thing to look at 99% of the time

[zenith heron]

bcs its the skills and buffs what matters most

[atomic abyss]

she doesn't have strong enough fighters to AA in campaign mobbing (where the rest of her loadout shines)
DBs aren't great for bossing in OPSI either

hakuryuu and shinano, while they do not have the best fighter cover (unlike Implacable or Yorktown 2)
they do excel in bossing

[normal thistle]

I wish there was an actual tier list for late game because the community meme tier list is pretty much meh

[worldly pewter]

fun fact u don't need a tier list to understand the game

[atomic abyss]

you'd need sepearate tierlists for w14 and w15 at that point
and opsi

[finite crag]

theres a tierlist for specifically chapter 15

[zenith heron]

it depends because every tierlist has its own thing, like the Chinese version for example

[wind hazel]

tl;dr it's basically combination of PR/DR, UR, Helena

[finite crag]

but by the time you get there hopefully you already know how to play the game without tierlists

[normal thistle]

Yes, but as a beginner they give me the right direction.

[wind hazel]

follow samheart's guide

[plain saffron]

then that tier list is enough as general direction

[icy cave]

How do I stop the story from playing itself when sortieing D3?

[tame jungle]

tier list does NOT take into account progression and resources as a beginner lol

[normal thistle]

Well I've been playing for almost the second day and I already understand a little, so I don't think it will be a problem.

[plain saffron]

of course, they even say it. it's a tier list not beginner guide

[wind hazel]

you can't, just do it several times until it finish appearing. it will appear like 2-3 times

[zenith heron]

for most people yes, but for people who knew more, its not gonna be a lasting guide

[plain saffron]

nope, but after you unlock all there will be no more

[warm latch]

as a beginner you should be looking at this
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/early_ship_recommendations

[worldly pewter]

they will give a very very broad and ambiguous directions
it is better to start slowly and work with ur current early game fleet
understand the basics then when u need a second fleet u will understand more of how u compose fleets

[icy cave]

Ah I see, thanks

[normal thistle]

Regarding the fleet, I understand that in the future I will be given a choice, which of them is still relevant?

[frank pulsar]

they all have a use, as beginner pick either hood or enty
if you have either in your medal shop pick the other

[worldly pewter]

all of them are obtainable from the medal shop
so i think the right approach is to wait until the next month rotation

[civic crag]

Do you think B2, NJ and Enty can handle bossing at W15?

[sterile jolt]

San Diego

[soft raft]

Enterprise > Hood > San Diego > Illustrious

[frank pulsar]

its probably not gonna work
you really want to have 1 bb 2 cv fleets due to aa concerns and for air superiority/supremacy

[worldly pewter]

do u have musasi and alsace ?

[civic crag]

I don’t have either

[worldly pewter]

[soft raft]

just post your dock in a thread if you want fleet help

[steel jacinth]

napoli D-2h30m or napoli D-8h?

[civic crag]

Probably swap nj for unicorn then

[soft raft]

the 2h30

[frank pulsar]

nj is competitive option for w15, use her over zwei if she has survivability issues

[civic crag]

Oh I see

[worldly pewter]

yeah just post dock and in a thread

[meager gyro]

how do i get this fast

[crimson glacier]

its not meant to be gotten fast

thats why you only 125 ships that are actually good

[worldly pewter]

speedrun commander level to 100 helps tremendously for the arrays too

[meager gyro]

what are arrays?

[civic crag]

Where do I get these

[frank pulsar]

opsi

[civic crag]

Like which part, strongholds?

[warm latch]

the picture you posted

[frank pulsar]

it can drop from everywhere in opsi

[civic crag]

Damn, cleared the whole story and still 0, what are the drop rates

[frank pulsar]

theres a reason we just recommend you kill everything in opsi every month

[meager gyro]

opsi is a scam

[civic crag]

But the ap takes so long to regen

[worldly pewter]

with 3 SR plane designs i think u are a little bit early to think about w15

[wind hazel]

just do it daily, spend all AP everyday, repeat

[civic crag]

Yeah I am I was just wondering lololol

[civic crag]

I got into OpSi only after beating w12

[wind hazel]

keep at it

[frank pulsar]

after your first month of opsi it gets better

[shell willow]

dont u have selectors?

[civic crag]

I’m gonna kreigsmarine

[normal thistle]

Nelson without Retrofit and Saratoga without Unique Augment Module & Retrofit is meh? I'm wondering if I should take Hiryuu and Souryuu with Unicorn instead? Also is Nevada and Oklahoma also a good option until mid game? There is little information about them in the guide.

[meager gyro]

what do i buy here?

[frank pulsar]

any ship that has a retrofit or unique augment needs it to perform at their best
hiryuu and souryuu arent that great to invest in nowadays, nevada and oklahoma are completely bricked even for beginners

[worldly pewter]

use penny as flag until u can retro nelson
u can use sara without retro and unique for now
and keep using the 4 others
the 3 fixed vanguards and unicorn

[normal thistle]

What about Ranger and Langley?

[warm latch]

if you already have sara you dont need to use either of those

[worldly pewter]

i think i (we) answered u a little bit above

[frank pulsar]

get the loggers first, for the 5k oil permit thing its optional and for the 1k voucher permit it optional as well
the blue logger are lower in prio but try to get as many as you can, theyre one time purchase per account

[limpid thunder]

guys fast whom to pull in wishing well for hms/american fleet?

[meager gyro]

i cant do loggers

[worldly pewter]

aurora

[frank pulsar]

ranger is for memes and langley is a cope option for w15 support fleet
tldr common ships arent worth using

[plain saffron]

like not even half dmg?

[meager gyro]

abyssals and strongholds are impossible

[warm latch]

kazagumo is high priority if you dont already have her

[plain saffron]

ranger is good for early game though. also ranger is not meme she's actually decent

[frank pulsar]

you can heal for strongholds, also adaptability is a big factor to whether or not its clearable

[plain saffron]

like not even 25%?

[worldly pewter]

i was using that cope

[frank pulsar]

how many newbies actually use ranger lets be real

[limpid thunder]

ok choose her whom second?^^

[meager gyro]

i had over 300 and it still impossible

[normal thistle]

Well, someone sent me this guide, so I'm looking at it@frank pulsar
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/early_ship_recommendations

[atomic abyss]

Kazagumo and Sirius

[plain saffron]

penny uni ranger when no other replacement

[warm latch]

someone else already said aurora too

sirius is good too

[plain saffron]

unless you want them to use long island instead

of course sara is better

[civic crag]

What do loggers do

[warm latch]

its outlining good options for you, you can ignore the other ships if you already have the best ones

[worldly pewter]

guaranteed UR design selector

[plain saffron]

spawn hidden/abyssal

[meager gyro]

give you impossible zones

[plain saffron]

both are wrong. still wrong

[wind hazel]

[paper timber]

What is the torp pattern of the new VT torp plane? Parallel or converge?

[plain saffron]

blue logger is, the rest is not guaranteed. there's 3 type of logger

[normal thistle]

So then Penny until Retro Nelson and Sara?

[paper timber]

Since when Nagami purple now?

[plain saffron]

converge

[atomic abyss]

Converging

[frank pulsar]

logger defer based on what type it is
most open a hidden zone, some open up an abyssal fight and the blue ones are one-time things that guarantee ur design print selectir

[limpid thunder]

i have both

[paper timber]

How is that plane compare to other converge torp?

[atomic abyss]

A side grade

[civic crag]

Ohhhh I see

[warm latch]

yes, sara until you get enty

[plain saffron]

highest dmg and slowest

[atomic abyss]

It's a slightly slower ryuusei with slightly more damage

So for timing

[frank pulsar]

new highest alpha iirc, but it also slower than ryusei
overall a sidegrade

[civic crag]

So they aren’t consumables?

[warm latch]

idr who else is in light pool wishing well

[frank pulsar]

uh, they kinda are
when you clear the zones loggers open up the loggers disappear and you can't access it again

[plain saffron]

if you have unactivated logger, you can consume and you get activated one
activated one stays until you cleared their zone

[worldly pewter]

only the person asking knows at that point

[civic crag]

Oh ok I see thanks

[plain saffron]

so it's vt, ryuusei, junker, saiun kai
more to the right is faster, lower dmg
more to the left is slower, higher dmg

[normal thistle]

I'm a little confused about Sara, that she's bad without Unique Augment Module & Retrofit. However, I suppose she'll be enough until 7-1?

[plain saffron]

i don't remember

[worldly pewter]

i used sara to beat one of the hardest bosses in the game

[jaunty vault]

nagami has been purple since 2023

[plain saffron]

she's still good after 7-1

[zenith heron]

i think its vice versa if I am mistaken

[atomic abyss]

She's still better than a lot of perma options you have at that point

[atomic abyss]

No

[zenith heron]

alr

[plain saffron]

yeah i have it the opposite

[normal thistle]

But Enterprise will still be better?

[atomic abyss]

Wait

Nagami did you change it

[plain saffron]

wait which way is left

[zenith heron]

yeah I thought ryussei was better in dmg than Saiun

[atomic abyss]

Nagami pls

[plain saffron]

ok fixed

[atomic abyss]

VT is slower and higher damage

[frank pulsar]

what are you confused about? its the same as why your ship dont do dmg without equipment
sara is good even in end game to an extent

[worldly pewter]

yeah the fleet was enty independence sara

[warm latch]

shes better than most options you have, forget about the tier list because she only looks bad compared to ships you wont be able to get for a very long time

[atomic abyss]

She is one of the best ships in the game so...

[frank pulsar]

shes tier 0 isnt she? i dont think she looks bad at all

[zenith heron]

tbh who is gonna out tier her 8 second invulnerability and significant self buff

[crimson glacier]

the invul isnt really that big of a deal

[warm latch]

tier list assumes retrofit and augment

[zenith heron]

small niche but self buff it is then

[frank pulsar]

whats wrong with that

[warm latch]

theyre getting the idea that sara is bad without retrofit and augment

[crimson glacier]

well she is

[frank pulsar]

she IS bad without them lmao

[crimson glacier]

those 2 things give her some real big buffs

[warm latch]

but when you have no better options and youre in ch7 does it matter that you dont have them

[frank pulsar]

nobody is saying not to use her wdym

[brisk shard]

is mob ship or boss ships good for exercise?

[frank pulsar]

ask #pvp

[crimson glacier]

another example, just look at san diego, T EX CL, remove her retrofit and aug and she is literally bottom tier

[south sequoia]

Pvp is its own territory

[forest palm]

Saratoga was perfectly use w/o augment, beside you're not going to use her for shit like 14 +15

[brisk shard]

ok thanks

[crimson glacier]

the list assumes ships at their best

there isnt really any reason to think about non maxed ships

[warm latch]

what is wrong about this statement?

[civic crag]

Well… because when you DO get those ships, then she’s trash innit?

[worldly pewter]

tier lists shouldn't be consulted by new players
they will get many wrong ideas from them
speaking from a personal experience

[warm latch]

how many pr/dr ships are you getting in ch7 tho

[zenith heron]

especially when it comes to higher levels

[civic crag]

Yeah but what about event URs

[warm latch]

you mean the event URs you cant get if you started yesterday?

[civic crag]

You got w7 in a day? Damn

[frank pulsar]

what even is your point

[atomic abyss]

[warm latch]

in response to this

[worldly pewter]

everyone agree that using sara without retro and unique early game is fine
that is the whole point

[frank pulsar]

i never disagreed with that though

[normal thistle]

Let's make it even simpler, Unique Augments and Retrofit for Sarah will be harder to get on 7.1 or it be much easier for a newbie to get Enterprise and use her instead?

[atomic abyss]

The issue is even getting enterprise to begin with

[zenith heron]

you can use her beyond until world 13, but using her in her full potential is better.

[crimson glacier]

i dont really understand whats the goal here

[atomic abyss]

A new player is more likely to have Saratoga than Enterprise

[shell willow]

you dont need t0 ships to clear w7

[atomic abyss]

Enterprise is better however
If you have enterprise, great
Use her
If you don't have her, use Saratoga

[crimson glacier]

you dont need T0 to clear anything before w14 id imagine

[frank pulsar]

depend on how many cv you have to retrofit
usually sara would be cheaper since she works with just the retro alone, you can always grab the augment later

[atomic abyss]

If you got both, you can just split them into 2 fleets later

[normal thistle]

That's why I'm asking for advice here, because I'm a newbie and my resources are limited. So for a newbie they are both a must have and will be useful in both fleets?

[zenith heron]

there is a reason why ships like Portland is worth it than the ships that are " a tier" above her until World's 13-15 (most of them)

[frank pulsar]

portland work for w13 as well

[atomic abyss]

Neither are "must haves" per se
More of very good to have

But yes, they will be useful

[normal thistle]

Are there any better alternatives for a beginner?@atomic abyss

[frank pulsar]

im pretty sure if you force it you can make her work in w14 too
maybe i make yt video on that

[soft raft]

"Must have" in this game really just means "Will make your life alot easier in harder content"

You can technically clear W14 with blue rarity shitters but it's gonna be alot more pain and suffering than if you have a well built fleet of SRs and URs

[crimson glacier]

can you clear w14 with that tho

[warm latch]

youve already been told the best options for a beginner

[normal thistle]

That's why I'm clarifying, it means that for a beginner they are both a must have.

[crimson glacier]

i dont think i ever used sara when i was a new player

[warm latch]

theyre not must have options, theyre just the best options available to you at the moment

[worldly pewter]

i used ranger until w8

[zenith heron]

sadly its still not a must, but glad to have...

[soft raft]

Just use Saratoga for now, simple as that

[atomic abyss]

The must have is unicorn

Not Sara or Enterprise

[normal thistle]

Then why do I need them? It's enough to just use penny and someone else, and then find the best one to replace them.

[worldly pewter]

the best one is sara

[soft raft]

Enterprise is at the very high end of CV Damage, being competitive with URs off of the sheer fact that her skill scales its damage off of her gear which makes her pretty damn powercreep proof

Sarais a good mobbing CV and can work as a transitional Enterprise

[crimson glacier]

she is pretty far from competitive vs URs with starting gears

[wary timber]

so... what does the Fargo drone do

[normal thistle]

So best option to use Sara until 7.1 and change to Enterprise and the future depending on the nodes, I can change it if necessary. Is that correct?

[crimson glacier]

no

there is no reason to swap

[worldly pewter]

#1200474660693876859 message
this is the harbiter of april

[frank pulsar]

i can always try

[cobalt rapids]

Dont restructure fleets before oilcap

[crimson glacier]

you dont want to randomly start investing for other ships for no reason

[warm latch]

and why only up to ch7? your starter fleet should get you to ch10

[soft raft]

the hell does that have to do with the topic
he isnt even at W9, i dont think he can bother about Hard arbiter unless you replied to the wrong person

[warm latch]

and you really want to get to at least ch9 where you get oil cap

[worldly pewter]

asking here and there without consistency
also u mentioned some late game potency so i wanted to add onto that

[soft raft]

FP Aux I think
It also makes this event's EX more difficult if you equip it

[wary timber]

oh man

[normal thistle]

Well on 7.1 I'm given a choice between Illustrious, San Diego, Enterprise and Hood. Many people have told me before that I should just use Sara without investing in her, then just take Enterprise and invest in her. Isn't that right?

[cobalt rapids]

Huh

[crimson glacier]

id just take hood

[worldly pewter]

hood imo too

[cobalt rapids]

Ull want to invest in both later anyway

[vernal edge]

Either Hood or Enterprise, depends on what you have in medal exchange now

[cobalt rapids]

But stick to ur current fleet if u can push to w9

[soft raft]

yeah prob get Hood
Enty good but Saratoga's perfectly fine in the meantime until you can get Enty

[worldly pewter]

it is a big gamba otherwise between hood and enty so i d rather save until next month

[brisk shard]

do chapayev good?

[cobalt rapids]

Nothing special outside dd enemies

[soft raft]

Yet another DPS CL
On the higher end of them with Unique aug but like lol Ply, Harbin, and Shimanto

[atomic abyss]

Relatively high damage with Aug
That's about it

[brisk shard]

should i raise her too?

[cobalt rapids]

Skip

[normal thistle]

Hmm, then I think that waiting will be the best choice. Next month it will be clear who will be better for me between Hood and Enterprise.

[brisk shard]

ok

[cobalt rapids]

U still got 2 weeks in this month

Whats ur current fleet

[normal thistle]

Not much time, but I still have a lot ahead of me. Right now I'm using Unicorn, Penny and soon I'll change to Retro Nelson and put Sara, also Portland, Helena and Javelin.

[cobalt rapids]

If u change to retro nelson soon then get enterprise

Did u alr retro uni port and starter tho ?

[normal thistle]

Hood and Sara won't be useful to me in the near future? No, I'm about halfway there.

[subtle bluff]

So Fargo is obviously good cus healing, but is she better than Helena?

[cobalt rapids]

Sara is good

U want ships for 2 fleets anyway

U wont 1 fleet forever

Unicorn enterprise and helena have the longest longevity afterwards its nelson sara and hood and afterwards its the rest
But this might change

[normal thistle]

I understand this, but will the 2nd fleet be used as a reserve or for what purposes will I need it?

[cobalt rapids]

Pulling something like indiana would eiminate rhe need for hood at all

[left wasp]

1st fleet is boss fleet (1 battle)
2nd fleet is mob fleet (all battles before boss)

[soft raft]

other way around (tho technically doesnt matter much)

[cobalt rapids]

U cannot push later in campaign with one fleet forever, ull need a dedicated boss fleet
Also for opsi ull want dedicated boss fleets

[left wasp]

but in general
one fleet focuses on mobs with survivability in mind (where healers like Uni come into play)
the other focuses on a single battle (put all ur firepower here, also be sure to put ur strongest tank and supports here as well)

[cobalt rapids]

Fargo is good coz decenttly tanky and good dmg, doesnt contest helena at all since helena is the biggest dmg buffer ingame

[subtle acorn]

Hi, I'd like to ask if Eagle Union Elite Damage Control works with Laffey's 2nd skill

[normal thistle]

For the boss, Unicorn, Nelson Retrofit, Enterprise will be better? Sara and most of the others in the 2nd fleet can already be used according to the situation?

[left wasp]

Nah uni is for mob fleet

[zenith heron]

the auxi is enough

[subtle acorn]

thanks!

[left wasp]

Cuz Uni is healer
and mob fleets always need some form of survivability

[forest palm]

yes, but also no

[normal thistle]

Regarding Fargo, will it be a replacement for Portland or will it be on the same level as Noshiro and essentially one of them can be used in another fleet?

[forest palm]

throwing Portland to the curb is not hard

[wary timber]

can an STAAG be used as a makeshift accelerator aa gun - i accidentally built another

[forest palm]

it's a fine accelerator, so yes it can be used for that purpose

[wary timber]

so should i give it to a ship with shit aa or something with more decent aa

[warm latch]

you need to fully retrofit portland and get her to level 100 for the beginner missions

[forest palm]

the ship with poor AA that's the point of accelerators

[zenith heron]

the STAAG is more for its good ACC/Hit stat which is good for your firepower, but its still a decent accel AA

[forest palm]

glad we caught up

[soft raft]

Is it normal for the game to eat 2 SR Bullins and 10k coins and not MLB a ship?

I feel robbed but I have no way of proving it now besides not being refunded after a force close+relaunch since I thought it could've been a desync

[wary timber]

yea the BB/BCs i use are all aquipped with STAAGs. now i have an excess of Hazemeyers and now an extra STAAG

[meager gyro]

will indiana, pittsburgh or sovetskaya rossiya help me beat 11-3?

[rain vine]

assuming max limit break and sufficient levels, yes
11-3 is a pretty low bar though

[meager gyro]

11-3 is literally impossible for me

[rain vine]

what fleet are you using?

[wary timber]

i need opinions on Pittsburgh. is she a good CA? ive been using Prinz Heinrich and Agir for everything so far

[soft raft]

definetly not replacing Agir
prob pending testing to see if she'd replace Heinrich or not

[cobalt rapids]

I think their acc is bricked

[normal thistle]

Will it be useful for bosses or against all enemies in the future?

[meager gyro]

unicorn 125 fdg 125 essex 125
roon 125 z23 125 san francisco 125

[plain saffron]

is that the guy who scrapped every gear

[meager gyro]

aquila 109 nj 125 alsace 120
ägir 119 helena 123 anchorage 113

[plain saffron]

noted

[zenith heron]

damn

[plain saffron]

wait do discord remove user notes

nvm found it

[rain vine]

if you scrapped every gear, thats entirely your fault

[plain saffron]

#1274075602999316564 message
gear looks good to me

idk what kind of bs he do that it can't clear 11-3

[cobalt rapids]

Still waiting for their recording of what went wrong

[plain saffron]

inb4 didn't click auto

[cobalt rapids]

Even if u run those ships naked they would clear by sheer ur and lvl advantage power lmao

[keen sable]

faerlein has failed us

[tame jungle]

Banish him from gph

[keen sable]

they are essentially naked

a trashy agir, no gear ancho, no gear alsace, and a map that doesn't favor bb

[worldly pewter]

everyone but faerlein

[keen sable]

||oh and no skills||

[plain saffron]

at what point i'll answer "yeah man you can't do everything your account is bricked"

[cobalt rapids]

At this point

[torn latch]

Scrapped every what

[atomic abyss]

Every gear

[torn latch]

Including rainbows?

[plain saffron]

everything is fucking impossible for them. even following simple stuff

[atomic abyss]

When he first came here, all he had was like, 14 pieces of gear

Or was it 26

[keen sable]

less

[atomic abyss]

Well, we've tried our best to help him

[viscid swift]

no, they definitely had gear, but than scrapped a lot of it for plates of all bloody things

[keen sable]

i mean there was gear on ships but basically everything not a ship was scrapped because it was "in the way"

[plain saffron]

the only thing not bricked is complaining about it here

[rain vine]

if the hedgehog was scrapped, then thats actually a bricked account
dont know how the hell youre getting through w14-15

[cobalt rapids]

Its not even about that

[plain saffron]

14? they stuck at 11-3

[cobalt rapids]

Its about abandoning threads with ppl willing to help him and then come here and complain

[torn latch]

Also why I keep failed with Sandy extreme challenge, like wtf is going on here

Bis zwei with the rainbow HE gun, Ulrich FdG with twin 457 rainbow

Ply shimakaze Hinden

[cobalt rapids]

Then ppl make new threads, mby its time to stop

[plain saffron]

then replying everything with "it's impossoble"

[viscid swift]

Well san diego is light armor for a start

[keen sable]

so I don't suppose you happen to have any spare mk6 or 410 mounted? or did you scrap them all also because "ugly"?

[worldly pewter]

pick better ships

[viscid swift]

2nd

[torn latch]

No, I only scrape purples except the staple gears one including purples BB gun, and maybe for gold I usually scraped messer and left-over torps

Would triple rainbow HE gun work then

[torn latch]

"just use better ships" without mentioning what ship I should use, that's dirty

[viscid swift]

Twin 410s would be better for job, because of this

[torn latch]

Twin 410 has better reload time? I honestly rarely noticed those numbers anymore

[viscid swift]

yes

[torn latch]

Ah ok

Will try again

How about my VG loadout though, Hinden with double drake gun then?

[worldly pewter]

other than the BBs u listed
what others do u have as URs ?

[zenith heron]

just for curioisty, would ships with slow debuff help within the challenge boss fight?

[torn latch]

Literally all URs ship exist in the game

[full leaf]

is it worth to 3* the event maps

[viscid swift]

assuming equal enhance levels Unzen and Drake gun would be best

[torn latch]

Only Mogador and Vanguard hasn't reached lv. 125yet

[worldly pewter]

soyuz alsace then why uvh and fdg ?

[viscid swift]

this is for this month's CM specifically

not exactly your typical light armor boss

[torn latch]

My usual "I don't want to use my brain and just want to brute force out the content" comp

Usually work most of the time

[worldly pewter]

alsace and soyuz surprisingly are very braindead picks

[viscid swift]

FDG was actually optimal for this when it first came around

[plain saffron]

uvh fdg works for me most of the time

[torn latch]

Yeah, they are still kinda new so I'm not really used with them yet

Usually just slapped them on opsi and call it a day

[viscid swift]

Sandy moves around a lot so you tend to favor ships with barrages that can reliably hit her, FDG's proxy barrage is also able to proc basically on cooldown this fight

[torn latch]

I'm literally just the epitome of casual old player now, too lazy to think about min-maxing fleets

[jaunty vault]

boomer

[keen sable]

VT barrage

[torn latch]

Slap lv125 URs to the fleet and pray they are going to work

[worldly pewter]

i never did a cm before nor an ex stage
where should i categorize myself ?

[keen sable]

they probably will but you geared them wrong

[jaunty vault]

noob

[zenith heron]

so UvH isn't actually good despite the slow (which is useless right, considering she still moves fast)

[dusk maple]

uvh is good

[torn latch]

Yeah, switching HE to AP on most "hard" content was kinda annoying at some point 😂

And then have to switch the loadout for another armor again on another content

[worldly pewter]

if u have all the ships then just move the aux

[cobalt rapids]

Just be so strong so u dont have to switch then

[warm latch]

just get UR dupes so you dont have to swap gear

[torn latch]

Do anyone have screenshot of fleet tech stat which can be considered as "strong" enough

[flint cosmos]

Hi guys, I was trying to buy this set, but there's a duration 10d on it

[zenith heron]

me who is damn lazy bcs I don't do opsi

[flint cosmos]

Does that mean it will be expired?

[grizzled sundial]

Supposedly they have rerun dorm theme , but i can not find the beer pool decoration ?

[viscid swift]

it means it will no longer be available to be obtained after 10 days
it's limited time rerun after all

[worldly pewter]

if u don't buy them they are gone

[cobalt rapids]

Depends on ur goals

[plain saffron]

ouh thanks for reminding to buy all the rerun sets in my alt

[flint cosmos]

Oh I see, it's a limited deal, thought that it's just like rental thing. Thanks guys

[olive rover]

If I equip ASW auxillary planes to my CVLs, will they be able to detect enemy submarines when they launch an airstrike, or do they need help from an allied CL or DD to be able to see and attack enemy subs?

[torn latch]

Like what, trying to get RLD stat as much as possible?

[grizzled sundial]

Your vanguard gotta detect the sub first

[olive rover]

Thanks

[torn latch]

Pretty sure DD and CL do that job, and CA too with asw detector aux perhaps idk

[cobalt rapids]

If u ask me then i would max everything

[plain saffron]

welp still not enough token somehow. does it takes longer to 100% dorm set than 100% ships

[viscid swift]

yes

I'm still not at 100% after almost 4 years

[full leaf]

is it worth to 3* the event maps

[worldly pewter]

A are shared with C and B are shared with D

[blissful hamlet]

Is alsace better than vanguard?

[zenith heron]

Damage wise, yes
Buff Wise, No
Mob Wise, yes
Cross Barrage, Yes

[untold acorn]

not sure if this goes to gameplay help, but the twitter mini game, do the rewards get sent directly to your mailbox?

[sturdy badger]

Question, which is better in terms of boss/mobbing? Magador or Shimakaze? I haven't got Shimakaze or Shinano yet (around 100+ pulls but I ain't wasting like a maniac). My Alsace and NJ were fully MLB. Other UR I haven't LB yet are Vanguard and Magador.

I can afford to buy a UR Bulin but dunno who to invest to

[atomic abyss]

Shima is only particularly good for bossing if manual
Otherwise both are equal for both fleets

I'd save the bulins for Sept's UR or Musashi rerun

[south sequoia]

Is soyuz better than uvh in light armor?

[atomic abyss]

On account of pure damage, yes

[worldly pewter]

witchita showdown
#1200474660693876859 message

[atomic abyss]

That Alsace damage is anaemic though

Alsace should be doing more

[worldly pewter]

yeah probably but my alsace refuses to do damage

[atomic abyss]

Something like this, though this was a particularly good run in terms of overall damage

I usually hit around 800k without firing support

[worldly pewter]

are u using mk6 or 7 ?

[atomic abyss]

Mk6
I have 0 mk7s currently

[worldly pewter]

k sec i will try again

[atomic abyss]

I'm using like +10 mk6 for Vanny and +11 mk6 for the rest to sync Vanny better

I could craft an MK7 but I'm broke

[sturdy badger]

Oh, Musashi? Aight, I'll be saving for next UR

[worldly pewter]

yeah i don't think i can push more than this

[atomic abyss]

It's probably contingent on Helena procs

[worldly pewter]

nah i think she did 2 scans

2 scans

[dusk maple]

that's 238k dmg on Alsace discounting vanny & plymouth buffs, somewhat close to abdou's 210k.

[worldly pewter]

ply and vanny buff that much ?

[dusk maple]

vanny is 18.8%, ply 18% to flagship. the buffs are multiplicative iirc.

[worldly pewter]

[jaunty vault]

which comes to about 40%

[worldly pewter]

that is a lot

[sleek spade]

is Fargo good?

is she worth building?

[frank pulsar]

i thought fargo was free from somewhere...?

oh shes in shop

[soft raft]

He's talking about "Building" as in "Is she worth raising" not "build from construction"

Yee she's the shop/D3 map drop ship for this event

[frank pulsar]

oh

[sleek spade]

yes i was talking about kitting her up lol

[spring bolt]

off tank survivability + Drake- level dps + small backline dps boost
overall a weakened bayard

[meager gyro]

how do i get cubes fast?

[sleek spade]

isnt that pretty good?

[spring bolt]

yeah, not bad at all, basically top of the bench team

[sleek spade]

nice

[elfin hollow]

i have to ask, why is conste considered good for dps?

[soft raft]

constellation?
dunno about the BB DPS world but her main selling point over Hood for newer players (that can choose betweent the two of course) is 100% barrage proc rate without the need of a augment

[elfin hollow]

oh, so that's why

why do CVs have more 100% barrages than BBs though

which BBs even have 100% barrages outside URs, i guess clem, conste, owari\ and some collab ships with augments?

and strasbourg and gascogne kind of, 20s timed barrages

[cobalt rapids]

[elfin hollow]

is conste considered a barrage bote for most purposes?

[soft raft]

as long as she has a Eagle Union gear (which i forgot to mention was the condition for her 100% (but still cheaper than Hood aug)) she can prob get away with either type

[cobalt rapids]

Whats a barrage bote pretty much all bb have more mg dmg than barrage distribution

[elfin hollow]

i mean she only has 135% mg eff, i suppose it would be better to use a faster load to abuse the barrage

[spring bolt]

she should be near 2/3 mgm + 1/3 barrage so not really barrage bote

[keen sable]

135 is quite high...

[elfin hollow]

i thought 145% is the average

[limpid thunder]

quick question. is there a list/guide for pure hms and america teams?

[cobalt rapids]

No because faction fleets arent optimal

Ppl only do them for fun

[soft raft]

Insert obligatory "Faction fleet bad" statement here

[spring bolt]

the guide is if you are do it for fun, use ships you like better
if you are doing it for performance, just don't bother

[elfin hollow]

is there any actual faction fleet that can work? i assume it would be IB with bisko2 uvh mommy agir emden hindy?

[cursive lark]

How tanky is 105 bp napoli?

[cobalt rapids]

Work where

[tame jungle]

depends on what you wanna do, if you're not doing anything challenging who really cares

[elfin hollow]

let's say vs arbiters at least

[cobalt rapids]

Eagles have the strongest faction fleet in opsi

[meager gyro]

how do i get cubes fast?

[tame jungle]

arbiter is kinda piss unless you mean oneshot

[cobalt rapids]

And sakura for hermit

[spring bolt]

cuz helena is eagles

[soft raft]

not really tanky at all
that's barely under D15

[soft raft]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/common_resource#currency

[cursive lark]

Oof I guess I'd rather not finish her rn then

[elfin hollow]

question: do you guys ever take any commissions over cubes ones?

[cursive lark]

No

Eh only gems

[soft raft]

non cube/gem comissions are like a majority of the comissions you'll ever get so

[cerulean lantern]

gems

[elfin hollow]

no i mean, if you get cube commies, do you take any others in favor of it? excluding gems since that's a nobrainer

[soft raft]

oh then yeah

[tame jungle]

only gems and that's hopium, if i get a cube comm i pretty much always choose that unless it fucks with sleep/work schedule

[elfin hollow]

e.g. 6h cubes vs 7h cogs/quick finisher/oil

also, is 1 euro for 1200 oil and 1 cube worth it or nah

[meager gyro]

how do i get these?

[warm latch]

never spend gems on oil or cubes

[keen sable]

3500 cubes and 0 cogs says I have my priorities straight

[soft raft]

only consistent way is the 💳 but you'll live with the T1 packs

[tame jungle]

unless you're a whale but then a lot of what we say in terms of resource mgmt won't matter lol

[warm latch]

even if youre a whale, theres 100s of skins to buy, ships to oath

[wispy pendant]

Blue ones are from study hall xp overflow, and other weekly rewards and stuff. The purple ones are rare gifts or part of things you buy with credit

[tame jungle]

hold on - dorm xp overflow goes into packs now??

[spring bolt]

normal people only get that from world cruise

[keen sable]

who gave berk a bad idea now

[cursive lark]

Is tenzan kai worth keeping when I have like 3 ryuuseis?

[keen sable]

although I could support the removal of agir

[soft raft]

Blue ones are from dorm xp overflow,
What

It's mainly XP from farming with lvl 100+ ships

[tame jungle]

they got introduced when i was gone lol and i never really bothered to look into it

[elfin hollow]

wait so if i have a lv110 bote in the dorm that isn't awakened, will it go in a pack? isn't it wasted? i thought you get exp packs from the study hall thing

[wispy pendant]

I guess I include both in the same catagory as the books you claim being from dorm.

Uh, sorry guys, I meant study hall instead of “dorm”

[soft raft]

you can upgrade them into Ryuseis in gear lab if you want/need to but i dont think you really need more than like at most 6 Ryuseis

[wispy pendant]

No dorm has no xp overflow my bad in using wrong terminology

[tame jungle]

wow misinfo smh!

[wispy pendant]

My bad

[cursive lark]

What are good tech stats for vanguard ships again?

[soft raft]

FP, HIT, and EVA are the main ones for them

you could argue CA TRP for Unzen but that's not really a priority

[cursive lark]

I see.. What about hp for dds?

[soft raft]

not as much of a priority compared to FP
why live longer when you can kill the enemy faster or something along those lines

[keen sable]

eva better

[elfin hollow]

what's the best aux you can give to a DD like mog or felix

i use toolbox and a 550hp item, for mog for example the 2% barrier towel from muse

[cursive lark]

I see, I'll remove allen from fave

[soft raft]

Toolbox + either another toolbox or some other alternate HP Aux lik the RPG thing

[elfin hollow]

also which botes use goldburn the best? idk who to give mine to

i wonder if i should give it to unzen or shimanto to raise their torp reload

[full leaf]

wait, must i clear the normal mode to get the missions to 3* the events?

[viscid swift]

no

[full leaf]

huh, weird, 3* D2 but no mission to claim

[eternal basalt]

yes

[soft raft]

did you already 3* B2?

[viscid swift]

you need to complete all the other previous missions first

[full leaf]

oh

[eternal basalt]

Clear B1 3*

[soft raft]

A/C and B/D share the same 3* missions

[full leaf]

yea i skipped the whole normal

[elfin hollow]

what torp is better on unzen, rainbow homing or quad improved homing, the loading difference is roughly 3s

if i get a bit more reload tech i can sync it with helena

[meager gyro]

what more do i need to beat 11-3?

[thin jungle]

how many repair kits does one need in life?

[soft raft]

Yes
maybe like somewhere around 10, but depends on how much you want to swap gear around idk

[willow crag]

hows eldridge retro

[soft raft]

no one has her retrofit item yet
it's timegated for another few days

[willow crag]

till next week thursday?

[eternal basalt]

Wednesday

[willow crag]

Ill assume thats EST so it is thursday for me

[viscid swift]

it'll be Wednesday EST, that's the day the final set of missions unlock

[eternal basalt]

If you're on another planet maybe

[willow crag]

Im on another planet called Asia so yes it will be Thursday

[eternal basalt]

The whole wednesday is thursday... sure, that's how timezones work

[forest palm]

[atomic abyss]

Let CN/JP test it on Wednesday

[forest palm]

weird concept of it's not me, myself, and I

[lime raptor]

Is there an updated list of all submarine hunting ranges out there? I still can't believe hunting ranges are still a thing.

[eager mulch]

wiki has em

[cursive lark]

Can giuseppe main tank d3 boss -50%?

[lime raptor]

Ok I looked under the text search of hunting range. Nothing. I looked all over Davinci's page, nothing. I searched for the submarine section, nothing about hunting ranges. Am I missing something?

[cursive lark]

Nvm I'll try first, many things affect survivability

[lime raptor]

AHHHH

[shell willow]

oh my cursor isnt visible but oyu have to hover INFO

[atomic abyss]

Note: May not appear properly on mobile

[lime raptor]

There it is tysm

[eternal basalt]

It does

[atomic abyss]

You have to hold it or sth rightb

[eternal basalt]

No, the table is just there

[obtuse remnant]

Just got back to the game is anniversary still here?

[whole crypt]

which anniversary

[obtuse remnant]

I don’t really see a special banner tho? Is it going to come later on?

[soft raft]

it's the event banner
There's also wishing well but you can mostly ignore that

[whole crypt]

if you can't see Indiana and Pittsburg I'm not sure what to tell you

[obtuse remnant]

Oh that’s them? I was confused cus they aren’t ur

Are they worth getting then?

[eternal basalt]

JP anni, you're a month early

[whole crypt]

new banner doesn't mean UR

[obtuse remnant]

Yeah I just thought for anni they would release a ur unit my bad

[soft raft]

hahahah yeah we dont get gacha URs for our anniv
We're too close to JP Anniv to get in on the fun

Hell, we didnt even get regular format events for our anniv until starting from last year

[whole crypt]

EN anniversary is just too close to JP so it's hard to schedule one here

[soft raft]

2 URs essentially back to back would be hell for many people
esp newbies that lack cubes

[whole crypt]

at least EN got a rainbow retrofit this year

[eternal basalt]

2 years ago, due to lite reruns

Before that en anni a rerun

[whole crypt]

last year was the first "major" format event on EN anniv

[soft raft]

Convergence was a SP event

[acoustic thistle]

Is eldridge retro any good? Datamine dont have info about barrage

[soft raft]

no one has her retrofit item yet so hard to say for sure

[limpid thunder]

that is the thing^^ thats why i ask

[eternal basalt]

Still a "Regular format event"

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/BarrageDatamine#Latest_Ships

[acoustic thistle]

[stark quiver]

I just recalled this cat and then got these talents, started with flame and sakura, is it workable in haku/nano fleet?

[whole crypt]

having ace would be even better but yeh

[soft raft]

It used the SP stage formatting so I personally don't count it as a regular format (with the A/B & C/D stages)

[whole crypt]

SP is a regular format too but yeh

[spring bolt]

just over whale CN/JP and you will get URs in EN anni

[stark quiver]

Also this one worth raising?

No ace and flame but I don’t rly have any better

[eager mulch]

+rld for vit2/ryuusei fleet

[spring bolt]

usable for now but far from a good one

[civic crag]

Just cleared my first stronghold, never want to do it again, do you guys put healing on your boss fleets?

[cursive lark]

U're supposed to use more than a fleet for stronghold?

[stark quiver]

Also for a sub cat, choosing between 20trp and 4 rld or miracle, I’d just pick the first option?

[civic crag]

What’s ur backline comp

[spring bolt]

yeah, do it right and one fleeting stronghold with mob fleet is easy

[soft raft]

(this frankly only really works if you have alot of rainbows)

[civic crag]

I only have 2 URs

[soft raft]

People have different comps, but for me, it's Musashi/Unicorn/Heal mode Aquila Brest/Unzen/Hindenburg

[cursive lark]

Uni soyuz uvh guam ply sandy

[civic crag]

Do you guys think b2 Unicorn Nj sandykai laffii agir would work

[spring bolt]

what i am using. this fleet also takes fast farming into consideration. ur/dr isn't that important

[half plover]

how many oil would you save up in the bank? and also for what would u use it

[eager mulch]

as much as I can, hvar farming when yt2 reruns

[cursive lark]

Yes with good gear and anti light weapons

[half plover]

what is hvar?

[eager mulch]

/wiki hvar

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Grumman_F6F_Hellcat_(HVAR-Mounted)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Harutsuki
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Haruka_Amami
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Hardy
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Haruna
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Harbin
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Heart-Linking_Harmony
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Harbin/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Haruna/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Hard_Mode

Aug 18, 2024, 4:33 PM

[viscid swift]

hmmmm

[eager mulch]

lots of Har- but only one hvar

[half plover]

a d3 gear drop from the yorktownII event?

[eager mulch]

like, the one case where gear bp farming is good because it’s inaccessible outside of the event + it’s actually a good gear

[half plover]

alr I think I will start saving, I only got 2k oil lmao

[forest palm]

can cope with LA-9, and BFGs for now

[eternal basalt]

You got like half a year - a year

[soft raft]

And the drop rate for it was relatively high for an event drop

[cursive lark]

Imagine people actually reaching 100k back then

[forest palm]

it wasn't that difficult...

[viscid swift]

I think that was the first time I did

should have farmed more in hind sight

[half plover]

btw what was that rerun schedule again? was it accurate in the rerun order?

[silk sphinx]

Very high actually

[eternal basalt]

We don't know since 3 UR back-to-back, I doubt it

[forest palm]

Yorkii was directly after Musashi, baring collab

[eternal basalt]

Oktober raid then?

[soft raft]

they've switched things around before and I wont be surprised at all if they do it again considering that following the regular schedule...

3 URs back to back

[viscid swift]

which is not something they've shyed away from doing let's be honest

[forest palm]

also late dec, early jan is when they like to update gear lab so who knows what that'll bring

[shell willow]

tenrai 🙏

[half plover]

the ships from the Roma event are all worth pulling right?

[viscid swift]

no

[soft raft]

tbh NJ rerun's timing was pretty scuffed

[half plover]

[forest palm]

Roma a ship that felt like it was made in 2019, and stuck in 2019

[eternal basalt]

You mean reorder or release 3 UR in a row?

[half plover]

but roma is sardegna and there are not that many tech ships right

[viscid swift]

I mean reruns
which has already happened, NJ, Shima, and UvH

[forest palm]

yes, but tech req is incredibly low because of that reason

[soft raft]

Garibaldi, Roma, and Bolzano are FP tech
the others have shit fleet tech

And they're also a source of tech points if you need more

[half plover]

ah I see

[eternal basalt]

They apologised for that though and said it got delayed...

[soft raft]

Damn every ship from Roma event has HP tech on obtain that's funny

[whole crypt]

boss fleets usually bring 0 heals
without knowing your ships/level/gear it's hard tell you why it might be a problem

also completely possible you just don't have enough adapts

[stark quiver]

Why does my manjuu prof on Helena when she’s half hp

[whole crypt]

because the hit was hitting her for more than half her HP

[wet badge]

How do i get lots of exp for backline dr exp

[hollow gust]

use backline DR required

[eternal basalt]

Flagship, mvp

[whole crypt]

you just keep grinding preferably somewhere that the XP isn't shit with ships that fit the reqs

[wet badge]

Should i go like 2:2?

[whole crypt]

that doesn't help

[eternal basalt]

3:3 with oilcap

[eager mulch]

3:3 in like 12-1 or 12-4 or smth

[whole crypt]

that's the usual yes

[eager mulch]

or event D3 rn

[wet badge]

Im sadly not there yet does 9-3 work

Im only able to go to 9-2/3 consistently

[keen sable]

i did all of pr7 on essentially a diet of D3 (in minimum time)

[eager mulch]

at that point I wouldn’t make pr xp grind a focus

[eternal basalt]

9-3 works, 9 got oilcap

[forest palm]

at that point just do D-3

[wet badge]

What stage is the minimum

[atomic abyss]

w12

[eager mulch]

12-1 or D3

[wet badge]

Which one is easier

[eternal basalt]

d3

[eager mulch]

D3 is easier and time limited

[north forge]

is there a reason that people tend to go for the twin 134 AA gun (which gives 15 FP) rather than the twin 127 (which gives 20FP), in fights where AA doesn't matter?

[eager mulch]

perma pity does not carry over to event pity

[viscid swift]

what Twin 127mm

[north forge]

it's in the gear lab, American, bottom right

[viscid swift]

that's a fuze AA gun, it can only be equipped by BBs

[eager mulch]

It gives 10 fp as well

not 20

the dd gun it’s crafted from gives 20

[eternal basalt]

Fuze bad...

[atomic abyss]

follows server time

[dull zealot]

👌

[atomic abyss]

i just oathed my impero about 10 mins ago

[dull zealot]

Lol

[atomic abyss]

and the date in game is 18 Aug

[wary timber]

whats the current opinion on the Herring

[eager mulch]

1 am go to sleep

[dull zealot]

Guess that answered my question

[atomic abyss]

purple sub so 🚮

[hollow gust]

Shit, not a surprise

[soft raft]

common event elite L

[eternal basalt]

Only worth for skin

[north forge]

so it's in the AA section but crafts into a DD gun? (I've tried to upload an image but Discord keeps failing)

[eager mulch]

yes

[north forge]

ok, cheers

[eager mulch]

It crafts from a DD gun into a shitty AA gun

[north forge]

I didn't mean the fuze one, I was just confused by the option to craft a DD gun in the AA gun section of the lab

[eternal basalt]

You don't craft the DD gun

[eager mulch]

because it pulls from the dd main guns tab

[north forge]

open your gear lab, go to the American AA gun secion, and look in the bottom right. To the left of the fuze 127 is the option to craft the regular DD gun 127.

[eternal basalt]

Huh, you can... but its from the middle of the DD guns

[jaunty vault]

gear lab is structured that way

just stop racking your brains over it

[north forge]

haha, ok

[jaunty vault]

[eager mulch]

[meager gyro]

what more do i need to beat 11-3?

[eager mulch]

idk what you need

[soft raft]

dunno what else you expect to hear after we've alredy told you multiple times before
frankly dunno if anyone even wants to answer you anymore

[meager gyro]

some actual advice on how to beat 11-3

[rain vine]

have you tried the "listen to people's advice" strat?
works surprisingly well

[meager gyro]

nothing of it worked

otherwise i wouldnt still be asking

[eager mulch]

what was their advice and what did you do

[rain vine]

you have 2 fleets of lvl 120+ ships
if youre saying that very basic advice about what gear to use didnt work, then nothing will help

[frank pulsar]

what are you running

11-3 isnt too difficult to clear

[fervent hearth]

prob got bricked advice maybe

[sweet delta]

Are you new here soup?

[static harbor]

Like, does the quad do just as much damage as the quint? or is it just more consistent?

[soft raft]

nah he's just inherrently dense af
we've told him multiple times to get better gear and he just whines and whines no matter what we do

[soft raft]

Rainbow quint mag is about as good as the regular Gold german quad mag in terms of damage

[static harbor]

Really? It feels like my Unze does less damage with the Quad for some reason

[rain vine]

literally what you would call an actual skill issue

[frank pulsar]

you cant clear with that? its so overkill

[fervent hearth]

KEKW

[frank pulsar]

whats does your gear look like

[stark quiver]

lemme ask this, whats going wrong in the game are your flagships dying? vanguard dying? out of time?

[rain vine]

dont even bother
multiple people have suggested advice and hes not listening

[fervent hearth]

wait wut

[meager gyro]

its like 90% out of time and the rest is dying

[rain vine]

that has to be the most insane statement ive ever heard

[cobalt rapids]

looks like its soups turn to make a thread

[frank pulsar]

out of time?
are you using +0 weapons or something? ive never heard of anybody running out of time in my two years here

ill dig for the thread

[stark quiver]

could you verify if youre running the game on auto?

[cobalt rapids]

ull have from what to pick

[stark quiver]

this shouldnt be appearing on the bottom left of screen

[atomic abyss]

[sweet delta]

He's back after 10 threads about 11-3 and apparently all gph has given is bad advice

[atomic abyss]

don't tell me he was manualling the whole time?

[static harbor]

Manual user spotted

[steel grotto]

he has half the stuff i wish i had and i cleared that stage

[sweet delta]

Ender I think you should either ban all of gph for giving bad advice, or ban him for trolling for months

Already "verified" that he's on auto

[frank pulsar]

okay wtf i just read the thread and they have like 10x better gear than i did when i cleared
completely bricked i have no idea how to help

[atomic abyss]

[static harbor]

This I gotta see

[sweet delta]

Which of the 10 threads are you talking about?

[atomic abyss]

#1274075602999316564

[frank pulsar]

back in my day i cleared with just tech box equips at +8 and one fleet...

[steel grotto]

but isnt it inherently impossible to not be able to clear even with suboptimal gear cant you just brute force it anyway?

[atomic abyss]

where did this come from

[static harbor]

Yo aint no way, vs. 11-3?

[stark quiver]

google

[soft raft]

sadly yes
dont ask how since even we dont know

[plain crow]

Is there a easy way to gather XP for the shipyard?

[sweet delta]

He has showed at least twice that he's on auto

[soft raft]

take three ships that fit the critera + 3 other ships then go grind your ass off on any map with oil cap

[sweet delta]

But refuses to record video proof or otherwise show proof of time out

[plain crow]

I don’t think/know if I have any map with oil cap

[cobalt rapids]

Hello bread
can you look at their history again ? thanks

[atomic abyss]

yuki said he's watching anime

[frank pulsar]

9-1 or higher maps all have oil cap once its 100% cleared

[atomic abyss]

and asked me to do it

[soft raft]

W9+ and the D stages in event

[meager gyro]

i cant record

[vale spindle]

Its any stage chapter 9 or higher, and event d stages

[vale spindle]

If you timeout, the endscreen would show a C rank so you can just screenshot that

[eager mulch]

don’t worry guys I’m gonna run some tests

[plain crow]

My teams are not strong enough to get to D Maps but I got chapter 9 already. Thanks.

[soft raft]

lame excuse
there are a absolute shit ton of apps on both apple and android that can record your screen

[sweet delta]

||That won't be enough, because he could leave it on manual or use empty gear and then screenshot the C||

[vale spindle]

i didnt consider that

[sweet delta]

A video is just a bunch of screenshots. Just screenshot faster

[stark quiver]

stop motion

[inner delta]

you don't need to test it

[meager gyro]

should i try to put mogador?

[inner delta]

i have made my decision

[sweet delta]

What is your decision

To pause your anime

[tame jungle]

Check his roles

[eager mulch]

help banned

[soft raft]

[elfin hollow]

does anyone know when musashi is being reran? currently have 220 cubes and i'm thinking of saving until she arrives. thoughts?

[sweet delta]

I recommend pulling on any new URs instead of skipping them for Musashi

[soft raft]

Doesnt help that we dont know if they'll fuck around with the order again

definetly not before the Sept UR and prob gonna be after the Dec UR

[fervent hearth]

How do you seggs with ships? I’m new

[frank pulsar]

raid events dont rerun?
im never getting janus

[eager mulch]

if anyone was curious tho this is enough to get to the boss on 11-3 lethal even with one extra mob fight and everyone is ~100% hp

[frank pulsar]

you close your eyes

[elfin hollow]

i'mma just hold onto my stash. thank you for the chart 🫶

[atomic abyss]

look

[eager mulch]

it did for me at least

[atomic abyss]

yuki is miffed right now, do you REALLY want to try such "jokes"

[soft raft]

the ships just get added to perma
And Janus is light so hey maybe you'll get her off your daily light

[soft raft]

not to mention Ender is also a admin so you're not really making things any better for yourself

[eternal basalt]

Oct or Nov rerun

[eager mulch]

all s clears in 11-3 lethal with that fleet, didnt even need boss fleet

[inner delta]

im not really annoyed smh, i just want to go back watching

[eager mulch]

hf

[shell willow]

[steel grotto]

does this event's map give less exp than the last one?

[soft raft]

better than the last one
regular event maps have the same XP as like W10
SP events like the last one are slightly less

[half plover]

do I want a bb or cv fleet against helena meta?

in dossier

[soft raft]

i dont think it really matters, as long as they're geared for anti-light

[half plover]

ah it is anti light, no wonder they lost a lot of damage

[stark quiver]

@sweet delta what fleet did u use for ex

[reef moat]

Shinano or shimakaze? These are basically all the ships i use/will use

[stark quiver]

shinano

[reef moat]

thought as much ty ty

[eager mulch]

if this is perma pity then NJ

[sweet delta]

Same as the last one

[stark quiver]

rly?

[eager mulch]

0lb NJ? definitely

[sweet delta]

Do you see me on the leaderboard?

[steel grotto]

wait really i swore the last event's sp node gave more but i might be blind

[reef moat]

too late alr got shinano

[sweet delta]

SP?

[stark quiver]

im in amagi
unless i raise my lexi account

[reef moat]

lol

[eager mulch]

doesnt really matter, both your nj and shinano are going to be useless

[sweet delta]

Because SP is not farmable