gameplay-help

[hollow gust]

Do you care about getting the season done faster or DR faster

[rocky fjord]

does rich mean 1k+ cubes?

[blissful hamlet]

1.8k

[hollow gust]

i have been getting fucked to 1.2

[blissful hamlet]

you should've focus on gear research

[low juniper]

What is considered being in the endgame

[hollow gust]

w15

[whole crypt]

when you run out of chips leveling fodder

[blissful hamlet]

eos in pvp

[low juniper]

Wdym

[mint flint]

you level ships to get tech, you need chips to level those ships to 120

[low juniper]

And how much tech does one really need

[mint flint]

all of it

[rocky fjord]

all the hit, rld, and avi/fp focused first

[viscid swift]

there is nothing to do after a certain point but to grind tech

[low juniper]

Last stage I cleared was 14-1

[whole crypt]

and that's fine

[low juniper]

How big is the jump in difficulty between W14 and W15

[whole crypt]

clearing any of 14 at all is already ahead of the curve

[hollow gust]

pretty big

[whole crypt]

I'd say the jump from 13 to 14 is bigger than the jump from 14 to 15

[forest palm]

when world 13 released 5 years ago for ships that are far weaker than the current ships we use today, and 14 was released to challenge current ships, and 15 is just more of the same

gear as well

[whole crypt]

15 is just 14 with a lot of planes

the suicide boats and subs don't even hurt nearly as much and there's no concealment

[wispy pendant]

wait, I just put 2-2 together... opsi is resetting tomorrow! eeek, I'm been slacking!

[forest palm]

isn't there like 1 more day?

[left cedar]

higher level enemies wut means higher base stats ...

i'm in UTC -4 so, yeah, 1 day more ... but ppl in South Asia or EU probally 24h or less

[forest palm]

sucks to suck

[whole crypt]

but you're not dealing with fundamentally harder or wildly different and new mechanics

[wispy pendant]

yeah but I've been slacking... got to get a move on it. I'm only at 130/130/130 level of adadpts.. I think I have like 4 strongholds to do and harbiter

[sharp socket]

seeing w15 fleet comps compared to w14 has much less variety

[whole crypt]

because ships for 15 are basically the subset of ships for 14 that have good AA

[tranquil saffron]

What's the best sub fleet?

[whole crypt]

albacore/flasher/archerfish

[forest palm]

pick a flavor

[whole crypt]

has anyone actually tested how homura holds up in hard stuff?

[forest palm]

Stig swears by her afaik

[tranquil saffron]

What 3 do the sweaty min maxing guys use?

[forest palm]

American

[whole crypt]

doesn't stig use fishpack with rainbow torp

[forest palm]

Stig is the only one I remember ever talking about Homura with high praise

[whole crypt]

well the problem we said with homura is her potentially sinking early, but it's not royal fortune level

[forest palm]

I remember that as well

[whole crypt]

that royal fortune test was just sad, against strength

[glossy arch]

While it's not the best, after you upgrade it further to a Sea Hornet, you get one of the best (if not the best) overall Fighter Plane in the game.

[soft raft]

Please dont
Not worth it

[late flame]

RF aug that makes all tempesta subs true subs when

[whole crypt]

not only is this a super late reply you also shouldn't have a seafire in the first place

[soft raft]

You're also a whole day late to that question and we already told him that's a bad idea

[stark quiver]

no its not, invest in flapjacks/w/e u need

[glossy arch]

How so?

[soft raft]

Gold Hellcat

[glossy arch]

Better late than never. What's the issue with being late? 🤣

[whole crypt]

unless he already crafted a seafire in the first place it's just double the materials cost to make a plane with the same function compared to tigercat or flapjacks

[glossy arch]

Flapjack is a slow plane, compared to the Sea Hornet.

[whole crypt]

have you actually seen the launch times?

[forest palm]

you want slow planes for AA coverage

[quartz wyvern]

I just noticed they added Shimakaze to the free build pool along with NJ and Shinano. Who's next for that selection pool?

[glossy arch]

Looking at them right now

[whole crypt]

UvH but probably not for a while

[quartz wyvern]

Who's supposed to be the next rerun UR?

[whole crypt]

Musashi

[glossy arch]

Into a Bearcat? 🤣

[whole crypt]

Tigercat

[forest palm]

[glossy arch]

Still worse than a Sea Hornet

[viscid swift]

how exactly?

[quartz wyvern]

And where does Yorktown2 fall in this timeline?

[viscid swift]

right after Musashi, assuming events don't get moved around

[quartz wyvern]

If it's Musashi >>> ?

[whole crypt]

this is how much difference it makes

[forest palm]

this is all the URs in release order

[whole crypt]

if you're telling me with a straight face that less than half a second of launch time matters, you're playing a different game

[quartz wyvern]

Hell yeah. Looks like I'll be all caught up on URs this year.

[forest palm]

oh, no someone that doesn't know how to read that chart, I swear to fuck it's hilarious everytime

[glossy arch]

If you want pure AA, Flapjack. Bombing, Sea Hornet

[stark quiver]

what does a fighter do that others dont

[viscid swift]

I have no idea what exactly you're trying prove but DPS is a horrible metric to compare planes

[glossy arch]

You tell me. You're the genius apparently 🤣

[stark quiver]

[soft raft]

He's trying to prove that Sea Hornet is a good investment

[whole crypt]

you also want flapjacks for AA because

1. it flies slower meaning more screen time for shooting enemy planes
2. it has a faster intercept timer

[viscid swift]

and all 3 have the exact same bombs and thus all 3 do the exact same in terms of surface damage

[forest palm]

don't use that stat chart sheet from the wiki if you don't understand how to read it

[viscid swift]

the difference in reload time is negligable for most practical purposes

[whole crypt]

the timing is also actually very close to have any practical difference besides finetuning for bosses

[loud rover]

isnt that a timing plane at best?

[forest palm]

next thing you're pointing to the Twin 410 T3S because it has high raw damage

[glossy arch]

You know what's more hilarious? How fed up you people get on someone else's opinion instead of trying to help 🤣

[soft raft]

technically, but even that isnt a good justification to shill out the materials to craft it

[whole crypt]

we're not fed up, we're pointing out you're giving bad advice

[viscid swift]

this isn't a bad opinion
it's just blatantly wrong and misinformation

[glossy arch]

I just said that:

[soft raft]

Counterpoint:

and all 3 have the exact same bombs and thus all 3 do the exact same in terms of surface damage

[whole crypt]

Sea Hornets are not better for bombing and costs twice as much

[glossy arch]

I can see that by your replies 🤣

[whole crypt]

they do exactly the same surface damage and timing difference is negligible

[glossy arch]

And you can calculate that in-game? With Crits and all?

[viscid swift]

for the love of

[whole crypt]

they use exactly the same bombs how does any of that calc differ for any of the 3 planes

[forest palm]

including critical damage is erroneous btw

[glossy arch]

Indeed

[soft raft]

Bruh that doesn't prove your point either

[viscid swift]

do you even know what DPS stands for?

[whole crypt]

the DPS doesn't consider actual launch time and assumes infinite duration

[glossy arch]

So erroneous that it exists

[glossy arch]

Damage per Second, Einstein 🤣

[whole crypt]

99% of fights they will have exactly the same number of launches

the only content in the game with fights that can drag long enough for sea hornet to launch once more is challenge

[atomic abyss]

[glossy arch]

And does anything that you said so far proves yours?

[atomic abyss]

What's going on

[whole crypt]

someone doesn't understand how sea hornet isn't actually better in practice

[worldly pewter]

a sea hornet enjoyer ?

[atomic abyss]

I see

[stark quiver]

bad advice > gets called out > refuses to accept

[sharp socket]

test it in game and let us know the results

[glossy arch]

Called out? I think you mean harassed 🤣

[worldly pewter]

aren't these 3 planes technically the same as the 3 SR tb ?

[late flame]

+delusional

[glossy arch]

I don't need to. You're the guys that need to do that 🤣

[sweet delta]

🍿

[whole crypt]

do you understand how those DPS numbers are calculated, and ever counted whether a sea hornet will give you more launches?

[sharp socket]

go into CM with a tanky frontline with no guns equipped and a CV and let us know the results

[viscid swift]

tell me then, how often does an aircraft carrier launch an airstrike exactly

[sharp socket]

you wanna prove a point do it yourself

[glossy arch]

Already did. You should do it yourself as I'm not obligated to prove anything to you. I'm stating facts

[worldly pewter]

anyone who wants to prove a point needs to provide the evidence that is simple minded enough

[forest palm]

bug stig about Houmura nntktt it'd be more productive

[whole crypt]

do you understand how those DPS numbers are calculated, and ever counted whether a sea hornet will give you more launches?

[viscid swift]

no you are not, you're grossly mis interpreting numbers because you don't understand how the game works or how the numbers were calculated

[sharp socket]

this man is a troll

[viscid swift]

this is the difference in airstrike cooldown time between the 2 on Unicorn

[glossy arch]

Prove me wrong then, I'll wait.

[atomic abyss]

[whole crypt]

the DPS numbers are skewed by sea hornet launching slightly faster on calc, but it does the exact same bomb damage as the other 2 2x1000 bomb fighters

[worldly pewter]

prove urself correct

[atomic abyss]

The burden of proof lies with the person trying to prove his stance

Not the other way

[whole crypt]

it doesn't practically do more damage until it gets to make one more launch

[viscid swift]

you have to get into very very specific scenarios for the Sea Hornet to get you an extra airstrike over the flapjack and thus more damage

[atomic abyss]

They should not be trying to disprove you

You should be proving yourself

[whole crypt]

these are established facts of gameplay

[glossy arch]

Thank you. I was just testing the waters to see how really "helpful" you guys can get. 👍 It worked wonderfully

[viscid swift]

for the same number of airstrikes they both deal the same damage because they carry the exact same bombs

[worldly pewter]

most people who goes into a debate don't know how to conduct it

[atomic abyss]

And as far as I can see, I don't see any reason why they're wrong

[whole crypt]

well ender has the hammer

[atomic abyss]

Oh lovely

[sweet delta]

Nice

[glossy arch]

Hmmmm... If I'm banned for having a different opinion, that would be hilarious

[slow fox]

Can you call me lovely? 🥺

[atomic abyss]

Well

[whole crypt]

there's a difference between having a different opinion and being wrong plus admitting to be a troll

[viscid swift]

you're lovely mebot

[soft raft]

Damn you're really trying your luck huh
Even after a Admin is now in the chat?

[fleet bolt]

@glossy arch ha not many are helpful a lot like to tag team and bully players struggling and tell them their stuffs crap like they did a mutual friend last night. Thanks to yku they finally got treated well and got the help they needed so thank you

[whole crypt]

wrong advice is wrong though

[glossy arch]

How about getting harassed for having a different opinion?

[whole crypt]

different != right

[soft raft]

We dont do that shit unless we have a good reason to
Like this objectively bad take we're dealing with right now

We wont hesitate to be blunt about plain misinformation

[atomic abyss]

A different opinion isn't an issue
Being outright wrong is

[whole crypt]

what you stated was objectively wrong

[viscid swift]

my dude, this isn't about having a "different" opinion, you're blatantly wrong about basic game mechanics here

[stark quiver]

you different opinion is wasting others' resources

[glossy arch]

I'm not trying my luck, I don't need to. I'm using logic

[late flame]

wow

[atomic abyss]

And this is a help channel

[hollow sail]

so the argument started with the sea hornet and making it in gear lab, and the argument should end with the sea hornet not being at all worth to make in gear lab over the very very very very slight advantage it has in launching a tiny bit faster as the cost is extremely prohibitive and materials are better spent elsewhere

[stark quiver]

had you accepted the fact that you were wrong, all would be well

[atomic abyss]

And intentionally doing so to get a rise out of people is an even bigger issue

I suggest you stop while you still can

[late flame]

take a chill pill bro

[whole crypt]

ok we'll put it very simply, do you understand these 2 statements:

• sea hornet does same bomb damage as tigercat and flapjack
• sea hornet doesn't launch more times than those 2 planes in 99% of scenarios

[glossy arch]

I'm perfectly chilled. Everyone else is worked up

[atomic abyss]

/mute 511496395555995649 6h Trolling in help.

[odd root]

hellplague#0 got muted. Reason: Trolling in help.

[soft raft]

Thank fucking god

[atomic abyss]

Good bye.

[late flame]

whew

[worldly pewter]

i asked earlier about whether the 3 fighters pancake sea hornet and the tigercat are considered sidegrades as the 3 tb saiun junk and ryuusei ?

[soft raft]

That wasn't what causes this mess

[viscid swift]

kind of but not really since it's purely a timing difference and one that's less useful

[sweet delta]

Only 6 hours? 100% of his participation in this channel has been to troll

[whole crypt]

he was fussed over sea hornet being better DPS because wiki said so

[worldly pewter]

yeah totally unrelated to the previous debate

[whole crypt]

without accepting how the game fundamentally works

[viscid swift]

mainly because the only ones that'll use it for single target are Yorktown 2, Enterprise, Nahkimov and Implacable against heavy armor

[pale mason]

i saw that someone asked about UR reruns earlier, do we have like a somewhat general guess on when the next rerun banner would be? i saw it should be musashi but i didnt see a timeline

[viscid swift]

no because frankly the rerun schedule is not consistent at all

[pale mason]

ah ok i thought it was somewhat consistent but if not then oh well

[soft raft]

Only the supposed order

[atomic abyss]

If you feel like people were deliberately being assholes for the sake of being assholes and not actually being helpful
Feel free to DM me the evidence
Thanks.

[fleet bolt]

@soft raft um i was there last night and there were two people who bullied someone asking for advice and help and they ended up leaving. The person did nothing to deserve what they got . The posted an image on what they needed help with and they were laughed at mocked and made fun of. When this chats for help. It's whatever in the end someone in the game . Just a helpful sugest that you shouldn't assume everyone should be at the same knowledge of the game and some struggle at somethings and if they ask for help try to keep the snarks out and if you can actually help then do so. That's all I'm saying

[viscid swift]

at best I feel comfortable giving a rough period of time when reruns might fall but that's over a few months

[late flame]

feel free to bring up to Ender in DMs. no need to drama

[viscid swift]

for the last time, someone was blatantly wrong about game mechanics and kept digging their heals when told they were wrong and explained why

[atomic abyss]

Enough

[worldly pewter]

there is a nice search feature in discord u can screenshot or link the comment

[atomic abyss]

Any other grievances, DM me

I'm not entertaining this issue any further in the channel

[fleet bolt]

@atomic abyss I definitely will I will see if I can scroll back that far and find it otherwise I will next time but you. An also talk to the person it happen to if you like . I remember the 2 people who did it though.

[worldly pewter]

love me some drama

[atomic abyss]

If it's really as big an issue as you say it is, I would appreciate if you could search it for me so I can investigate and take appropriate action if necessary

[vapid birch]

are the new ships meta?

[late flame]

nope

[soft raft]

Typical Event SR ships
not dogshit, but not game changing either

[sinful escarp]

They are just techpoints

[quartz wyvern]

Any guesstimates on next UR rerun?

[sinful escarp]

Soon™️

[viscid swift]

Musashi I would guess to be late this year or early next year

[worldly pewter]

read a little bit above

[sharp socket]

no one knows

[quartz wyvern]

Like is it usually within month ranges in a year?

[sharp socket]

it could be next month or it could be next year

[quartz wyvern]

Or seasonal?

[forest palm]

this is the order in which URs released, there's some events in between some of them, but devs can change things up

[sinful escarp]

There is no set schedule for ur ships

[soft raft]

Taps the sign

[sharp socket]

i think he wants to know the time between each rerun thus far

[worldly pewter]

1 in between 2 new URs is the pattern so far i think
correct me if i m wrong

[late flame]

probably stay tuned to #game-news and other such official channels

[soft raft]

yeah better to wait for official news than speculate

[vapid birch]

what do these do?

[eager mulch]

nomis is a white name now?

[soft raft]

ASMR

[viscid swift]

I'll let the picture do the talking
here's the past few years of AL events, you can see that rerun dates are just never consistent
they're not even consistent with how many they do in a year at this point

[sharp socket]

coping is free but cope elsewhere

[quartz wyvern]

Eardrum candy.

[quartz wyvern]

Damn, that's crazy. What causes the inconsistencies?

[sharp socket]

devs

[viscid swift]

I don't know
but that's why predicting rerun times outside of a few months time frame is not something I do

[vale spindle]

kind of
with the torpedo bombers you are looking at damage and reload (converging torps don't AA xd)
with the fighters they already do the same damage, so you are looking at AA (lower intercept cooldown + lower flight spd + AA gun damage) and reload instead

[sharp socket]

they decide when they want to do things, it just seems like theres no pattern to how they want to do things

[late flame]

demand a fixed schedule in next survey

[quartz wyvern]

Also, does anyone happen to know how many books it takes to 120 a ship from level 70?

[keen sable]

a lot

[whole crypt]

some of us can sound like assholes sometimes but understand that fundamentally we're not tolerant of bad advice here that can be detrimental to gameplay, if you feel like it's a bullying issue bring it up to the mods like ender said

[worldly pewter]

yeah especially when there are many lurkers

can take the misinformation and fly with it

[loud rover]

nor are we tolerant of ithberke because omg dude doesnt like good advice

[whole crypt]

I gave up on him

[loud rover]

same

[forest palm]

already was done when they used the wiki sheet

[loud rover]

i'm not as knowledgable as you, but if the better guys were saying the same things i was to him then yikes

[eager mulch]

demanded more ships in next survey

[keen sable]

[stark quiver]

[late flame]

so if i lack wyverns, would it be worth to get breguets from core data shop? (since i joined late 2022 i lack those from event)*

[viscid swift]

yes

[forest palm]

breguets for 800 cores is a good deal tbh

[whole crypt]

using the numbers isn't so much the problem as refusing to understand non-contextual wiki numbers do not translate into gameplay

[forest palm]

it's not so much about the numbers per se for me it's about parsing that data, which people fail most times to do

[viscid swift]

they really used the text book example of why DPS numbers can't be taken at face value for BB Guns and Aircraft

[slow fox]

real

[whole crypt]

breguets are just better barracudas if you lack TBs

[eager mulch]

what did I miss

[forest palm]

a clown

[sharp socket]

gph in here is more stagnant in seeing new things, partially because the game is designed such that the gameplay was not the core focus and also partially because the things that people bring up are often old stuff that has already been tested extensively and theres no reason to test it again

[late flame]

mebot being called lovely

[soft raft]

Guy replied to a day old question regarding Sea Hornet saying it was a good idea to craft it, tried to act smug and in the right while completely misreading DPS values on the Wiki, and he's been bonked by Ender for 6 hours

A clown indeed

[late flame]

stay tuned, he'll be back

[whole crypt]

I won't be around in 6 hours

[balmy matrix]

Can muse ship can be used for pr farm?

[plain saffron]

Yes

Only meta is different faction

[vale spindle]

/prgrind

[odd root]

Does __ count for Shipyard Combat Data Collection EXP?

• Exp earned in PvE combat? Yes.
• Event Combat? Yes. Operation Siren? Yes.
• Ships level capped for any reason? Yes, if it otherwise would count. Even if you see +0.
• PvP/Exercises? No. Dorm? No. Exp packs? No. Commissions? No.

[soft raft]

Yes but they provide no tech benefits whatsoever so reconsider if possible

[vale spindle]

should add a note about muse loli and meta ships

[plain saffron]

Well it should be obvious based on their faction

[vale spindle]

then ill just put 1 line to filter by factio in dock then

[whole crypt]

if in doubt filter by faction

[vale spindle]

time to bonk yooki one second

[plain saffron]

That will do

[sharp socket]

how many wyverns should i need to craft, i may have forgotten

[plain saffron]

I should do picture guide

[fresh hamlet]

does hood's barrage skill depends on the main gun's ammo type to determine which ammo type said barrage uses?

[soft raft]

Like 2-3

[whole crypt]

as many as you're lazy to swap

[forest palm]

2 to 3 is enough

[keen sable]

never did

[soft raft]

Basically all barrages don't care about the ship's equipped ammo type

[plain saffron]

Her barrage is fixed
If it changes based on gun it will say in the skill

[fresh hamlet]

ahh alr

[vale spindle]

no the barrage ammo types are predetermined and hardcoded

[plain saffron]

Afaik only one that change type is warspite and it's based on skill level

[keen sable]

it does change at SL7 but that has nothing to do with main gun

[sharp socket]

then after wyvern done, i craft mk7/french bofors whenever needed?

[plain saffron]

Ouh you mean barrage pattern not type. Yeah they change with level

[whole crypt]

if a barrage is affected by what's equipped it'll be explicitly stated, but it's usually an enhanced barrage with specific guns and nothing to do with ammo

[sweet delta]

=
🎸 =
=

[soft raft]

DD gun and French bofors before NJ gun

[keen sable]

no hood's ammo type also change

[plain saffron]

[whole crypt]

but Akagi-chan is IJN

[plain saffron]

Smh suchi spreading misinfo

[sweet delta]

Did I write something wrong?

[sharp socket]

i need twin 100 kai still if i have twin 138.6?

[whole crypt]

you only have one mog gun and you'll use more DDs

[pale mason]

dumb question but which gun is nj gun

[sharp socket]

hmm true alright then

[soft raft]

406 Mk7

[sweet delta]

Can you afford 360 gold plates for mk7?

[pale mason]

oh i already made one of those as my first rainbow gear from gear lab oops

[sharp socket]

i do have enough plates but i wanna +13 my AP guns first

[whole crypt]

champagne/soyuz/flandre guns just go ahead

457 is low priority for 13

[sharp socket]

i have one champy gun at +13 and one at +10 and soyuz gun +10 only

[pale mason]

is this the french bofors?
just trying to gauge what rainbow gears i should be going for next after wyvern

[whole crypt]

so enhance those

rainbow AA not really "needed" before ch15

[loud rover]

french AA isnt really a prio you could do a 2nd wyvern

[sweet delta]

First I heard it called French bofors

[pale mason]

yeh i wasn't sure what french bofors was lol i just saw it in a previous message

[sharp socket]

i forgot the name of the gun, but i knew its french, UR and a bofors

[whole crypt]

just call it rainbow AA

[sweet delta]

uraa

[whole crypt]

twin 57 or L60 are also used occasionally

[sweet delta]

How about mle 1951

[pale mason]

triple 406/50 is called champy right or am i mixing things up

[sharp socket]

yes

[pale mason]

earlier someone recommended me some fleets with my current dock in mind.
would independence be a worthy pickup from the core data shop? like would she be a big upgrade on anyone?
i have 4 sets of shells bought from core shop already and idk what to buy with core data now

[sweet delta]

4 black shells is a bit much but you could buy independence now

[pale mason]

idk lol i dont like swapping gear its annoying

[loud rover]

loadouts

[stark quiver]

just swap, its the simplest thing in the game

[sharp socket]

you will need to swap gear for different armor types when using bbs anyway

[plain saffron]

You'll still need to go and unequip the other ship so still annoying

[pale mason]

so independence is worth picking up regardless of if she's a big upgrade over someone else?
thats the main question

[soft raft]

Out of those four fleets, she woul possibly replace Saratoga for some natural stagger w/ Unicorn and for her crossfleet

[sweet delta]

She's a decent upgrade for your CV fleet in opsi, by being in the mob fleet

[sharp socket]

if you lack strong CV then yes indep is good

[sweet delta]

Sara is already perfectly naturally staggered with unicorn

[pale mason]

soo minor upgrade over saratoga in my mob fleet, got it
i'll hold off on buying and see if i wanna buy something else later

[sharp socket]

speaking of CV how does avp work, does she naturally stop enemies in sync with hakunano/enty

[plain saffron]

Iirc you need to do some adjustments
There's even have a sheet just to do it

[soft raft]

She only syncs with the others if their gear is adjusted to match

[sweet delta]

She doesn't naturally stop enemies for haku, you have to do special timing

[pale mason]

does implacable naturally stop?

[sweet delta]

She doesn't naturally stop enemies for haku, you have to do special timing

[sharp socket]

but having avp means i can go full catapult on my damage CVs and just adjust avp?

[sonic egret]

If your bulin is leveled up to 2 can you still use it?

To LB

[plain saffron]

Yes, click the filter on top right

[soft raft]

depends on if you can get away with it or not, timings may still need Homing beacon

[sonic egret]

Oh it appeared thanks

[vale spindle]

too many lines

[sharp socket]

ill wait for the next meta fight to work it out i suppose

i have stronger bb than cv i think so ill use bb for meta fights more often

[pale mason]

when was new jersey and shinano added to the permanent pool? can we expect a specific date for the next UR to be added?

[viscid swift]

they were added in January and no

because the addition of ships to the perma pool is also just not consistent enough for any predictions narrower than a time span of a few months

[pale mason]

but can we expect another UR to be added next year?

[viscid swift]

most likely yes

[atomic abyss]

Definitely

[viscid swift]

maybe one more this year

[sweet delta]

I expect the next Perma UR to be added in the next 12 months

[soft raft]

Most likely
stay tuned for official confirmation

There's like 1 SR event prior to UvH that hasnt been archived yet

[pale mason]

alright that means once i get one more new jersey from the 400 cube standard banner i can wait on the next UR then and use my UR bulins on nj

[soft raft]

Why not use the 400 pity to get a dupe NJ

[viscid swift]

next UR is most likely Ulrich von Hutten btw

[soft raft]

also keep in mind that we most likely will have 2 more new URs this year so id rather save my UR Bullins for them

[forest palm]

the next 2 possible UR would be Ulrich, and Kron both of which wouldn't waste the time on tbh

[pale mason]

thats what i mean, i'll use the 400 pity to get one more dupe nj and then i can start using UR bulins on her and the next 400 pity will probably be done next year

thats true
man i just hate that there's ships that will like never be used cus of the lack of UR bulins

[sweet delta]

Depends on what new URs you get and your bulin income

[sharp socket]

i mean you can use them, just be aware of your own decisions and what it means for you

[sweet delta]

You have Alsace, vanguard, and soon fdg MLB, idk about starring NJ over whatever new URs get released

[pale mason]

nj never gonna see the light of day ig

[sharp socket]

my hot take u just need like 3 UR BBs and you can dont bother with them anymore because hard content doesnt really require it

[pale mason]

2 bb fleets not needed in opsi?

[viscid swift]

no

[sharp socket]

you just need one and its like just harbiter

[plain saffron]

It can be 2 bb or 2 cv

[copper ermine]

besides unicorn, who should i buy from the guild shop?

[pale mason]

oh
i was planning on pulling for musashi whenever she comes but looks like not needed

[plain saffron]

Depends on who you have

I'm still using 2 bb

[sharp socket]

the BB/CV opsi fleet is just for harbiter, you can do everything else in opsi with your normal mob/boss fleet

[sweet delta]

Musashi would be a large upgrade over fdg in both campaign and opsi but so would many other new UR BBs

[plain saffron]

[rocky fjord]

arent soyuz and alsace still worse than sushi in campaign

[plain saffron]

You need to remember not everyone have all UR maxed with maxed gewr etc

[viscid swift]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips
the ships reccomended here

[sharp socket]

thats what ive been doing, which is why i was having so much trouble over deciding to mlb vanny over nano or mog

[plain saffron]

For some people they need that 4 fleet

[pale mason]

now im wondering if fs5 fdg is even worth going for since it seems like she's outclassed by most other ur bbs

[plain saffron]

Depends on who you have

[viscid swift]

well it can be done for free if nothing else

[pale mason]

maybe just stop at dev30 and start on azuma first, im lacking more tanky vanguard

[sharp socket]

i dont have maxed gear, and ive been playing for less time than several people here

[plain saffron]

How about URs

[keen sable]

That's not going to be azuma unless you happen to have 513 bp lying around

[plain saffron]

Discord pls stop opening my keyboard for no reason

[sharp socket]

i functioned with just soyuz for all except harbiter until semi recently

[sweet delta]

Consult your favorite w15 tier list

[plain saffron]

Whose tl is that

[pale mason]

azuma is coinable no?
that + catchup means i can probably get azuma going in a couple months
idk when i'll get another good ca/cb

[plain saffron]

who is in your mob fleet

[viscid swift]

Anchorage is basically a freebie at this point and Agir will probably take the same amount of time for a better ship

[plain saffron]

My alt still need at least 2 fleet mostly for stronghold and abyssal

[sharp socket]

for a long time it was hood indep uni portland laffey1 montpelier

i now have fdg uni volga takao laffey1 tai yuan

[pale mason]

yeah I was talking more for my 4th fleet for doing harbiter sooner or later
im currently using cheshire, anchorage, roon muse just need a 4th one that isn't portland
i guess agir could work but getting her to dev30 seems like it'll take longer than getting azuma to dev30

[viscid swift]

I would take a Dev 20 Agir over a FS5 Azuma

[pale mason]

oh ok lmao
in that case i'll go for agir then..?

[sharp socket]

i saw early on that gear is easier to get and likely more important than the ships im using so im getting carried by good gear which also happens to be mostly farmable

[viscid swift]

yes, absolutely

[pale mason]

out of curiosity, what is it that makes you so biased against azuma
i dont know anything about her stats or skills
they're all tiered at EX tier together on the tier list and that's all i have to go by

[viscid swift]

Agir is just that much better
she's significantly tankier even at just Dev 20 and provides utility with her Armor Break and slow

Azuma has an edge in damage but that's about all she has and the difference in the grand scheme of things isn't that big

[sweet delta]

Idk about significantly tankier at 20

[keen sable]

Nothing, she's fine. You just need over 51 days to get her unless you are old and had all her bp already

In 51 days you can do a lot of other things

[sweet delta]

What does the bot say about dev 20 agir ehp

[pale mason]

i think i'll have like 350ish agir bps by the time im done with her catchup, is that dev25?

[tranquil thorn]

Hello everyone, is there a beginner guide somewhere? I have no clue what I’m doing

[viscid swift]

/devbp

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460648604974055424/885529968455598170/unknown.png

[viscid swift]

close to it

[pale mason]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[copper ermine]

if i have 31 cubes should I try the event gatcha or save up?

[plain saffron]

I would save

[viscid swift]

I would just save

[tranquil thorn]

Danke

[pale mason]

save, there will be UR ships coming soon in the next month or two

[keen sable]

I would do event daily

[pale mason]

huh now that im looking at the coinable DR ships, there's only drake, fdg, and azuma

[sharp socket]

playing the game correctly isnt that difficult, and OS requires you to do that to some degree, so OS isnt that difficult either imo

my point being that 3 UR BBs is enough for hard content in the game, and endgame content sees more CV use than BB use anyway

[pale mason]

nah gotta collect them all

[sharp socket]

yeah you can collect them for other reasons but not necessary to raise them like you wont die if you dont

good thing is gacha UR/DR can go to 120 without needing mlb so you can still get tech

[viscid swift]

The thing with choosing which URs to invest into is which will give you the biggest improvements

[pale mason]

im mlbing musashi as soon as she comes around

[viscid swift]

It's different on a case by case basis but mlbing more than 3 UR BBs is definitely not a negligible part of that

[sharp socket]

my point was that past 3 UR BBs the gain you get is very small and thus not worth it unless you have excess resources to do so

[pale mason]

and you wouldn't say the same for CVs?

[viscid swift]

Again it depends on which battle ships in question and what you even have at your disposal to limit break

[sharp socket]

i would say the same for CVs if the hard content wasnt so CV/AA focused

however it is

[viscid swift]

There's a non negligible difference between the 3 oldest UR BBs
FDG, UvH, and NJ
Vs the 3 newest
Zwei, Alsace and Soyuz

[pale mason]

is musashi any worse than the newer bbs?

[sharp socket]

is the difference measurable and if so id like to know the numbers

[viscid swift]

You're trying to generalize something that's quite a bit more nuanced and situation ally dependent

[soft raft]

She's still pretty competitive with them

[sharp socket]

i have to state beforehand im not arguing with you, i just want to learn

[pale mason]

ok cool i was honestly most interested in her design but if she's still competitive even better

[viscid swift]

Measurable yes
Exact numbers though that's a whole other can of worms

[sharp socket]

how else is it measurable without numbers

[atomic abyss]

Ya see, how do you get said numbers

The scale of the difference depends on the specific battle

I.e, duration, armour, boss stats

So depending on how you frame your number, exact numbers are kinda unrealistic

Best we can do is a percentage I suppose

[sweet delta]

Alsace is ♾️ percent better than Musashi if the battle is 10 seconds long

[pale mason]

lmao thats one way to look at it

[sharp socket]

percentage was what i meant by numbers yes

[patent pivot]

did someone say battleship comp numbers

[atomic abyss]

I mean they did

[sweet delta]

The problem is that even if you could run a battle 100 times, you'd get results for that battle only. You can't easily generalize to other battles, much less the whole endgame

[sharp socket]

so its not measurable

[atomic abyss]

Or rather a specific number isn't measurable

You can probably get a range of difference

[patent pivot]

you can measure and make estimations how those results would translate to other scenarios using unhealthy amounts of game knowledge

[sharp socket]

what is measurable then

[sweet delta]

Simple situations like these

[patent pivot]

numbers in very specific scenarios

[sharp socket]

are you giving me the general idea that new ships are better than old ships cause powercreep

[atomic abyss]

Given that this game fucks you over with a 0.9x to 1.1x damage modifier regardless of the damage

Extrapolate that over the course of the battle

[patent pivot]

then you smash your brain into a wall to extrapolate to other shit

[atomic abyss]

Oh and don't get me started on AA damage RNG...

That one is a real can of anaconda sized worms

AA damage variance is like, from 30% to 120% multiplier iirc

[patent pivot]

on average the power is growing with every UR so that does work but it wont always match with the super nerd optimizations that basically nobody cares about anyways

[tight jetty]

need help with 15-4

[pliant plover]

this is exactly why my Bayard on trash fleet, after 6 battles on 12-1 drop to 5%. but most of the time ends at over 50%, i hate how dumb the AI movement is and i bet there's some cases that she would end up sinking

vanguard mostly has survival gear on since i was farming Daisen exp

[soft raft]

man uses non D30 ship, is surprise when they do completly dogshit

big surprise

[harsh pilot]

Can someone please explain what this menu is?

[gusty warren]

Might I ask what gun is best against Wichita Meta?

[soft raft]

you can queue researches in that menu

[gusty warren]

I have this equipped btw

[soft raft]

406 Mk 6/406 Mk7 since she's light armor

[harsh pilot]

Ty based Gundam enthusiast

[soft raft]

Realistically only these two guns from this screenshot will see use on the reg
and maybe the Twin 406mm SK C/34 but the IJN Twin 410 is cheaper for the same performance

[atomic abyss]

AI rng is not even a can of worms
It's a darn bowl of them

[gusty warren]

I'm just struggling against Wichita, taking me like 3-4 goes to sink her

[atomic abyss]

What fleet are you using currently

[soft raft]

what is Unicorn doing there

[gusty warren]

tbh a lot of the info flies over my head, I can read the words but it doesn't make sense to me

[atomic abyss]

Yeah um, that would explain a lot

[gusty warren]

uhhhh I don't have Kearsage or Hot Japanese Carrier Lady levelled.

[atomic abyss]

Well might I advise starting a thread and posting your dock there so we might suggest better

[soft raft]

Unzen also sucks for anti-light since her kit is heavily centered around Torpedos which arent as good against light as they are against heavy

[atomic abyss]

Also, which hot Japanese carrier lady, there's a few

[gusty warren]

Wichita 2 Electric Boogaloo

[crisp estuary]

[gusty warren]

The Ship Lab

[soft raft]

So Hakuryuu

[gusty warren]

ye

[pliant plover]

if u had read what i have written u would understand that im complaining that the dumb AI walks over enemies ships and ram them or just some other random things, i know very well how weak a under dev25 ship is

[plain saffron]

That usually don't happen unless you lack damage

[forest palm]

just use slower ships to ram less

[plain saffron]

Which could be because the ships is below dev25

[soft raft]

and at a ~20 lvl disadvantadge

[rapid grail]

kasumi meta have 2 preloads just like shima?

[atomic abyss]

She's an elite meta
So I don't think she has 2 preloads...

[plain saffron]

Anything can happen

[atomic abyss]

Nagami weren't you the one that already datamined kasumeta...

[plain saffron]

Looks like just 1 preload

[atomic abyss]

Or was it Sam

[forest palm]

isn't her shit in the datamine

[plain saffron]

Yes it is

[soft raft]

I think it was just sam

[rapid grail]

ig that's fine, thanks for info

[atomic abyss]

Anyways no, single preload, just like almost every other ship

There's like 3 ships with double preloads I think?
Shima, Ibuki, Unzen?

[soft raft]

Dont expect her to be anything ground breaking like most cruise pass METAs tho so

[plain saffron]

I was in meeting so i told sam to use the tools

[vale spindle]

i just clicked a button on a website nagami gave me i didn't do jack shit

[rapid grail]

but yea i digress. thx anyway

[vale spindle]

na kasumi meta has potential cause its like kasumi retrofit but more torp

and the barrages are better too

[rapid grail]

how many OOA fights in 14-4? just one?

[soft raft]

2

[rapid grail]

damn. vestal doesn't work then

😔

[soft raft]

Why would you use her there
No surface damage whatsoever and her heals are whatever

[atomic abyss]

This isn't w12/13 in 2019

[rapid grail]

not all cooking is made equal. a lot of them are shit

[tropic tusk]

Will I get ban if I use macro keys?

[jaunty vault]

it is against tos so yes

[atomic abyss]

Yes you will

[blissful hamlet]

should I +13 halford plane?

[atomic abyss]

I would hold it off for now...

[viscid swift]

I don't even have one yet

[blissful hamlet]

what's your name mean?

there's new event?

[viscid swift]

https://twitter.com/AzurLane_EN/status/1814299159006003518
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[slow fox]

CHEEKY NICKNAME WORKS FOR OUTREACH

[viscid swift]

a bit late but I figured why not to help those few stragglers

[blissful hamlet]

:god:

[sharp socket]

hey more dockspace very nice

[viscid swift]

oh yeah mebot while I have you here
what are the eHP numbers for the PR and DR tanks at Dev 15, 20, and 25?

[slow fox]

Napoli, Agir, Brest, Anchorage and who else?

[viscid swift]

Azuma as well but not really interested in her

[sharp socket]

is hinden tank

[viscid swift]

no

[slow fox]

I wish ]:

[sharp socket]

is she dps comparable to ply

[viscid swift]

she's higher without accounting for Plymouth's debuff

[blissful hamlet]

better dps than ply

[atomic abyss]

Hinden and Unzen are the top of vanguard dps charts

Plymouth is up there, but she's not quite the top

[sharp socket]

is the reason to dev ply and not hinden because you get plyguns in pr5

[crimson glacier]

its coz ply is better

[pseudo hearth]

Uh, should I exchange for Jarvis or the Admiralty Control Radar?
I can only get one of the two, because I didn’t have enough time to farm more unfortunately.

[sharp socket]

AFCT

[viscid swift]

latter without question

[pseudo hearth]

Ok

[viscid swift]

not really, Plymouth is just better overall

her utility pretty much gurantees her some longevity

[sharp socket]

does hinden contribute no utility

[crimson glacier]

she is a CA

[viscid swift]

nope, all she does is damage

[sharp socket]

what about it

[blissful hamlet]

ply buff you flagship BB, hinden does nothing

[crimson glacier]

CAs arent known for their utility

[atomic abyss]

CAs are either tank or unga bunga really

CLs are usually the utility class

[sharp socket]

baltimore is a CA and buffs EU CVs

[crimson glacier]

and yet isnt worth using for it

[blissful hamlet]

she's exception

[sharp socket]

but anyway i get your point

[crimson glacier]

losing to sirius who buffs all factions

[atomic abyss]

The point is while Hinden isn't bad by any means
Ply just brings far too much utility to the table while still providing comparable (while not as high) damage

[atomic abyss]

I think she's also tankier?

[crimson glacier]

ofc ply is more tanky

[viscid swift]

Thank you

[crimson glacier]

ply is better at everything

[atomic abyss]

Well there you have it

[crimson glacier]

except dps when you can consistently hit

[atomic abyss]

It's kinda the reason I stopped work on PR6...

Well admittedly, doesn't BZ buff her quite a fair bit?

[crimson glacier]

but ply dps is still more useful than hinden imo

[atomic abyss]

Cos of eDPS?

[crimson glacier]

since she isnt stuck with CA gun angles

[sharp socket]

is the gear in pr6 of any interest

[viscid swift]

Not really

[atomic abyss]

Just Hinden gun

Ply gun is used more anyways

[blissful hamlet]

isn't hinden do siginificant damage with her aimed barrage too?

[sharp socket]

and pr5 for that matter

[viscid swift]

Pr5 is a but better but it's mainly just the Plymouth and Harbin guns

[sharp socket]

i know theres plygun but what about the other stuff in there

[thorn tartan]

what's the armor of hard arbiter this month?

[slow fox]

Suchimisinformation spotted

[sweet delta]

Your mlb ships also have zero tech right?

[slow fox]

My eHP considerations do not account for tech.

[atomic abyss]

180% ehp for a CA is wild

[viscid swift]

To be expected tbh

[atomic abyss]

The fact that she can potentially match D30 Agir at D25 scares me

[viscid swift]

She has better armor than Agir in WoWs after all

[grand solar]

I seemed to be having an issue getting the item I need to finish the retrofit on Tai Yuan. The store won't let me purchase the final item. When I try to purchase it, I get the message saying that I can't purchase more of them.

[blissful hamlet]

is napoli have the highest ehp in the game?

[slow fox]

That title belongs to Chinawall.

Other than Chinawall, then - in general, I would call Napoli the tankiest vanguard ship.

[sharp socket]

tai yuan retro item comes from the CNY event earlier this year

[blissful hamlet]

Anchorage killer

[viscid swift]

Her item is event exclusive currently

[crimson glacier]

agir will make a comeback with graf zepp retro 🙂

[sweet delta]

~~General content is too easy to matter ~~

[viscid swift]

And you can only get one of each retro item

[slow fox]

Agir Fate 🙏

[grand solar]

What do you mean?

[atomic abyss]

Tai Yuan needs a retrofit item

That item is not available permanently

[sharp socket]

so if you werent around for it or didnt get it, you cant retro tai yuan

[viscid swift]

Exactly what I said

[grand solar]

Great....

[atomic abyss]

So you're stuck basically
Until her item is added permanently

Chang Chun's and An Shan's are

[sharp socket]

you can do chang chun or an shan instead

[grand solar]

Well that is the thing. It's listed in the shop

[blissful hamlet]

just retro anshan or chang chun

[viscid swift]

Nah, embrace Hilde in PR8

[grand solar]

I already have them.

[viscid swift]

It's not

[atomic abyss]

An Shan's and Tai Yuan's look almost identical

[viscid swift]

Check more closely

[blissful hamlet]

they're practically the same, tai yuan just microscopically better

[grand solar]

Cause it kind of does look to be there.

[atomic abyss]

That is An Shan and Chang Chun

The name and icons are different

[slow fox]

:mutsukiZOOM:

[atomic abyss]

Iirc Tai Yuan's is a turtle

[atomic abyss]

Thank you

Tai Yuan should be seal of the black turtle or something

[olive fiber]

6 star gear or get Jervis so I can get the portrait frame

[grand solar]

Figures....

[sharp socket]

get the AFCT

[forest palm]

I don't remember if Tai Yuan represents Genbu

[sharp socket]

admiralty fire control table is top tier BB aux

[atomic abyss]

Taz, Im fairly sure she does

So Fu Shun should be a crane or phoenix or sth

[forest palm]

no, ya I just forgot myself

[sharp socket]

i didnt know they had guided missile destroyers in ww2 actually

[forest palm]

DDG are post WW2, AL isn't strictly WW2

[wind hazel]

ahem, vermillion bird

[viscid swift]

Yep, but they are converted from WW2 era DDS

[atomic abyss]

I stand corrected

[viscid swift]

CN is kinda special cause their IRL navy was uhhh....

[forest palm]

Suzaku

[plain saffron]

If you visit friends dorm, how long you'll show up in their dorm

[thorn tartan]

i got a question about safe to scrap. there isn't much listed in there. what about all the other stuff that I have 5 or 10 copies of? how many should i keep

[wind hazel]

when in doubt, keep everything

[sharp socket]

i find that 3 copies of good things is enough while 1 or 2 for bad things

[thorn tartan]

i nearly always in doubt.....

[wind hazel]

just put them on ships you don't use

[blissful hamlet]

equip all those gear to your ships sitting in dock

[thorn tartan]

okay, max 3, that will work

[sharp socket]

alternatively fill your unused ships with all the good gear then scrap all but one remaining

[thorn tartan]

yeah, i could work at that

[sharp socket]

the one is just so you remember it exists, and in case you didnt use it on any ship

[thorn tartan]

like purple steam catapults..... why can't get rid of those.....

i have tons of gold ones and bps....

[blissful hamlet]

you can

I usually scrap blue/purple gear that has a gold variant

[plain saffron]

As long as it's actually their variant (T1/2/3)

[sharp socket]

once your ships are all geared very well you can be more aggressive in scrapping stuff

[plain saffron]

So scrap T1 T2

[thorn tartan]

i have 7 anti-torps. i don't even know what those are for

[sharp socket]

torp bulges are good

[sweet delta]

Instructions unclear, scrapped T2 pressure hull

[sharp socket]

but you dont need 7 yeah

[polar venture]

Am I only allowed to put in 40 blue prints on a ship per day?

[plain saffron]

Where my t3 pressure hull

[plain saffron]

There's no limit

[sharp socket]

maybe like 4 is sufficient, plus you can probably craft some if you still lack

[polar venture]

I have over 100 blue prints for brest but it only let me put in 40 :/

[sweet delta]

You needs to level up the ship

[plain saffron]

Are you sure it's not because of the level limit
Dev10/20/30
Need level 10/30/70

It says something like "Need level 10"

[polar venture]

Would explain that 👀

[thorn tartan]

6 purple gyroscope?

never used it

[sweet delta]

Equip on unused ship

[thorn tartan]

okay i'm going to go crazy equiping stuff on gray and blue ships

[sharp socket]

just make sure u dont scrap them

[mint flint]

be careful not to scrap them

[sharp socket]

so i suggest putting them on your fleet tech ships and golds

also meta and PR ships

[plain saffron]

Even if you scrap them there will be confirmation either you want to scrap the equips or not

[sharp socket]

cant ever scrap those, very safe from dumb moves

[plain saffron]

Which I'm sure you won't read and click scrap anyway because i did

[thorn tartan]

not sure why it matters. i have 1 of each ship

i'll put the gear on purple ships

that was a great idea, these ships can hold lots of gear

[plain saffron]

Idk if it's worth using pr ships as storage instead of using them

One of them are not pr

[full leaf]

how much does ammo type affect things
am returning player so im a lil lost
like im seeing HE Normal and somehow my warspite retro can shoot can AP round..?

[sweet delta]

Warspite skill shoots AP no matter what gun you put on her

Ammo type inherently rarely matters, it's the armor modifier that matters. For BB guns it's simple, HE good against light armor enemy and AP good against medium/heavy

And BB normal ammo bad

[full leaf]

sorry whats a bb gun in this context

[sweet delta]

/wiki list of battleship

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/List_of_Battleship_Guns

[sweet delta]

Not put too much stock in the DPS value of each gun on that page

[jaunty vault]

not put any stock in the DPS value of each gun on THAT page

[sweet delta]

But devs could easily put a fake BB gun with shitty normal ammo but over 9000 alpha damage to make it the best BB gun in the game

[slow fox]

SuchiPerson Gear Lab leaks!?!?!

[sweet delta]

I have my sources. Like some mebot

[full leaf]

ight thats a lot to take in

[jaunty vault]

BB guns are what BBs can equip in their first slot

[copper ermine]

trying to figure out my team and i need a tank and i have portland but do i eed to also use her sister who i dont have room for?

[fluid brook]

just use portland without indy (her sister)

[jaunty vault]

Indianapolis is useless

[fluid brook]

tell that to portland

[prime kraken]

is this worth buying

[jaunty vault]

depends

[sweet delta]

When is it worth buying?

[jaunty vault]

ill answer that after i wash my hands

[forest palm]

[late flame]

as one who has joined late 2022 (missed original event) and lacking wyvens, kind of player 😛

[prime kraken]

i have 4 wyverns...

[forest palm]

Then you don't need it

[eager mulch]

do I need it?

[prime kraken]

how about this one

[jaunty vault]

not really

[hallow iron]

Finish dev 30 AvP... Now I got like 6 useable Cv, Idk where I use her XD

(Bearn meta, saratoga, unicorn, enterprise, indomitable, AvP)

I'm thinking for story probably alsace, enterprise, avp boss and fdg, unicorn, sara mob

While opsi maybe bearn meta (flag) , avp, enterprise for cv fleet?

[lyric stump]

any witchita meta fleet for me 2 copy?

tysm

[jaunty vault]

so the plane, breguet is basically a gold barracuda but faster and with passive air intercept (this means its a better barracuda)
you might want a few of those if you dont wanna swap wyverns from ships that permanently use wyvern
assuming you already have bought all the must buys from the coredata shop and are leftover with excess coredata @eager mulch

[jaunty vault]

check first pin and then check the connecting messages to that

[eager mulch]

I have left over coredata, 3 wyverns, and 2 spearfish

[lyric stump]

bro wut r u 2

[lyric stump]

no equipemtns ty

[slow fox]

They aren't each other.

[lyric stump]

lol

y do they have to change their name man

[eager mulch]

im turtle

[jaunty vault]

im not turtle

[crimson glacier]

cool go get a room

[eager mulch]

[jaunty vault]

will you be there with us

[lyric stump]

so wichita meta fleet with equipemts pls? (no alsace no soyuz and no bis2 and no uvh

[jaunty vault]

do the thing i told you to do

its a 30 pages doc

[lyric stump]

pined one have no equipment wym

????wym 30 page doc

[jaunty vault]

#gameplay-help message

[lyric stump]

tysm and btw someone go ping it pls

[late flame]

there is a TL;DR version pinned..

[prime kraken]

so i have a handful of new BBs
if i mlb uvh and vg then i dont need 2nd CV fleets (currently) right

[jaunty vault]

you wont need a 2nd BB fleet if you can kill harby with your current fleets
assuming we're talking about opsi fleets

[late flame]

i personally use 2cv fleets because i am lazy

[prime kraken]

yes, opsi fleets

[forest palm]

Wouldn't even bother with Ulrich

[prime kraken]

where do vanguard fits in? my main bb fleet are bis2, alsace, and soyuz

[forest palm]

You can do most content in Ops outside of Arbiter with a single fleet

[lyric stump]

are there replacement of alsace?

[crimson glacier]

other UR BBs

[thorn tartan]

what is the armor of hard arbiter this month?

[hollow gust]

Light

[lyric stump]

nj work?

or fdg?

[crimson glacier]

well NJ is pretty much at the bottom of URs

fdg is good at mobbing but suffers on bosses

[lyric stump]

well no aslace bis2 and soyuz cause them 3 in heavy triple fleet, no uvh cause shes in 13-4h

anyone else is all available

[crimson glacier]

why is uvh in 13-4h

[lyric stump]

cause i pull kearsarge out

[crimson glacier]

yeah but alsace biz2 and soy would all be better

[lyric stump]

ya no u require a cv also

• am trying do diff reload for faster mobing and killing

[crimson glacier]

yeah so take the uvh out and put someone else in her place?

[lyric stump]

example?

lemme give u my current 13-4h and u can try improve it without using certain urs

[half skiff]

lads, how does pity system work?

[lyric stump]

else its gonna be like wut it is
basicaly alsace, uvh and impero + hindy, sandiago and poly

[prime kraken]

200 for UR banner

= 400 cubes in total

[rapid grail]

300k coins as well lol

[half skiff]

and does the count carry over? from a banner to another?

[thorn tartan]

which gear lab main guns do you get the most use out of?

[prime kraken]

nope

[half skiff]

even if you dont get the UR???

[fluid brook]

Chips, Ordinance and BPs

[zenith locust]

Where can you get iris orthodoxy tech packs?

[fluid brook]

Do you mean the exp pack for PR ship?

[rapid grail]

shop, the first one you see and medal shop

[half skiff]

he means gear i think

[rapid grail]

the former option kinda RNG though

[thorn tartan]

i mean, one of the bb guns, the ca gun, the DD gun?

[stark quiver]

wdym, pity is for non UR event pulls,
it just stays at cap if you dont claim

it doesnt "carry over"

[fluid brook]

sorry didnt read your question carefully, Pr3 BB AP Gun

[half skiff]

uh

[plain saffron]

For event, 1 pulls = 1 point
200 points can redeem 1 copy, up to 4 copy
Doesn't carry over

[half skiff]

copy of what then, im confused

[zenith locust]

No by map drops?

[plain saffron]

Of the UR in that event

[half skiff]

right

[prime kraken]

should this be good to clear most arbiters (hard)

[thorn tartan]

i got 3 of the pr3 bb guns from one of the shops. i don't need to craft it. Let me try this differently: In the gearlab, there are 2 UR bb guns, 1 UR ca gun and 1 ur dd gun. which would you craft first?

[half skiff]

and if they are none like in the current one?

[plain saffron]

For permanent, 1 cube used = 1 point
400 points = 1 copy of UR you won't
Won't exceed 400. Doesn't reset until you claim anyone
All banner except event banner that have UR count

[half skiff]

ahhhh

[plain saffron]

If there's no UR there's no pity

[half skiff]

ah shit mb, i thought i had seen a counter

[plain saffron]

I wish elite have pity

[daring turtle]

how does someone get Jofre?

[fluid brook]

Ur BB gun (457)

[eager mulch]

perma special

[thorn tartan]

okay, and which after that?

[sweet delta]

Yes

[half skiff]

ye thats what i was thinking too, i got strasbourg, but that was only luck then?

[daring turtle]

the one that has katsuragi?

[plain saffron]

Yep. There's no soft pity or something
Only spark system

That you have to manually claim

[thorn tartan]

or should i get 2 457s?

there's a cool UR HE BB gun

[half skiff]

spark system uh?

[fluid brook]

would still more of 457 for other BBs, but after that would be the Ur DD gun for harbin

[daring turtle]

I'm still pretty new to azure lane

[fluid brook]

Two is more than enough

[thorn tartan]

i have one 457 so far. I get the UR prints sooooooooo slowly

[plain saffron]

Have points + manually claim(like in AL) = spark system
Increase drop rate = pity system

[thorn tartan]

just use the purple 406 for light armor combat?

[plain saffron]

Idk why people here call them pity. Every other game will call them spark

[fluid brook]

ye pretty much

[daring turtle]

so jofre is unfeatured in the special build thing?

[plain saffron]

Yes, no rate up in special

[stark quiver]

what gimmicks does sandy boss have

[plain saffron]

If you really really want her at least wait for wishing well next month

[daring turtle]

er... is it better to just save for 6 anniversary?

[half skiff]

manually as in opposed to bulk? (sry if im asking lots of questions)

[stark quiver]

for the UR in september

[plain saffron]

As in you need to go claim it

Like when you pull 200, you doesn't get the UR fron pull, instead you go claim

[prime kraken]

because not everyone plays granblue fantasy

[thorn tartan]

wait a sec, I HAVE 37 WHATEVER UR PRINTS!!!!?

[half skiff]

ah ye ok

[late flame]

UR selector yes

[plain saffron]

Grandblue fantasy not the only game that have it

[prime kraken]

but its the first game uses that term

[keen sable]

AK has sparking for limiteds

[crimson glacier]

i basically never hear the term spark

[prime kraken]

pity is more understandable

[plain saffron]

Yes but all other game that uses it call it spark

[late flame]

imo they are used interchangably

[prime kraken]

for most people, at least

[grand solar]

Will OpSi be resetting in about an hour or in the next 24 hours?

[half skiff]

i thought sparks where like, during the animation, kinda like how in starrail you can see youll get a 5 star

[thorn tartan]

month doesn't end today

[plain saffron]

I feel like spark vs pity have more distinction, one is points, one increase drop rate to 100%

[stark quiver]

you see it in building time for approx ship but exists

[prime kraken]

this probably popularized from games like genshin so people start using it without knowing the original

[crimson glacier]

yeah but if about 2024x more ppl have heard the term pity its irrelevant

spark tells nothing about what it means

[grand solar]

Okay so I have plenty of time to try and clean out the stores.

[crimson glacier]

pity makes sense

[plain saffron]

There's game with both

[half skiff]

yeee! my strasbourg was like the 1st 4 hours i got!

[thorn tartan]

I need to burn about 2000 points

[plain saffron]

That's probably why i treat them differently

[crimson glacier]

thats cool but if no one else but you played the game it doesnt matter

[atomic abyss]

[plain saffron]

But that's not the only game

[stark quiver]

should i run implac for sandy cm next month or just brute force with 3 bb

[crimson glacier]

still irrelevant if ppl dont play those games

[plain saffron]

Welp it is what it is

[thorn tartan]

players here say to burn your extra AP points on level 5 zones

[prime kraken]

yeah i dont get why people calling spark also
what does it even mean

[full leaf]

is it possible to sort by HMS in dock, i dont see a hms option in the filters

[stark quiver]

sort by royal navy

[plain saffron]

I'm just using the term i and
some other people understand

[crimson glacier]

now understand that being helpful is useful

[grand solar]

I am working on trying to clean out both the rainbow and gold gears and then the gold plates and if time allows me, the Gold materials.

[thorn tartan]

I don't know what that means. I just do everything.

It is much more managable now that I have 2 phones in operation.

[prime kraken]

can shipgirls regain fast mood without foods in dorm?

[thorn tartan]

i think so

[plain saffron]

HMS KMS only used in the names really
Everywhere else game uses Royal Navy, Iron Blood etc

[late flame]

+ijn not used by japan as well (sakura empire)

[atomic abyss]

Yes they can
They even still gain exp
Albeit at quarter the usual rate

[stark quiver]

what does 2 phones have to do with it

2 accounts?

[sweet delta]

use the other phone when one overheats 🧠

[late flame]

one phone to rule them all
maybe 1 for playing AL, while the other to discord and such

[plain saffron]

Or ran out of battery

Just use split screen

[fluid brook]

wont recommend, yt videos are too small to watch

[warm raven]

Is there a list of gold/purple gears that are safe to get rid of, or should I keep all purple/gold equipment?

[plain saffron]

/equip the safe to scrap one

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[hallow iron]

Who is the girl between unicorn and bearn

[stark quiver]

formi?

[atomic abyss]

Formidable Mu?

Yeah that should be Formi mu

[late flame]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Formidable_µ

[hallow iron]

Thx

[stark quiver]

forgot she existed

[thorn tartan]

how come when i run a filter for CL guns it shows this CA gun: Prototype Triple 203mm/55 Main Gun Mount

[elfin hollow]

Hey guys what cat officers would be good for this team

[stark quiver]

what is this gun

[forest palm]

Monarch Gun

[plain saffron]

Triple 381mm

/wiki triple 381mm

[odd root]

No wiki pages found.

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_381mm_(Model_1934)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_381mm_(BL_15"_Mk_III_Prototype)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_380mm_(Mle_1935_Prototype)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_380mm_(SKC_Prototype)

Jul 31, 2024, 6:01 AM

[atomic abyss]

Yeah it's the monarch gun from PR1
It's a Mk6 side grade of sorts

[plain saffron]

2nd one

[forest palm]

BL15 Mk 3

[stark quiver]

thanks

[plain saffron]

What does bl means

It's upgrade over mk6 only if +13 so yeah not so worth

But i still have 2 +13 anyway

[late flame]

either breech loading or barrel length i guess

~~maybe lurk in #history ~~

[forest palm]

Just like the B-37 in Russian guns refer to the year it was made

[narrow wyvern]

Is there any recommended map to farm T3 Retrofit Blueprints? Like, do I clear higher maps for higher/better rewards?

[thorn tartan]

are the gold quintuple 533 torps bad? they aren't even listed in the tier list for DDs

[atomic abyss]

Gold Quint regular is fine as poverty
Gold Quint mags are shit

[thorn tartan]

damn, i have upgraded gold mag quints

[atomic abyss]

Gold quad mags are better

Otherwise rainbow quint mags if you got it at some point

[thorn tartan]

yeah, i have plenty of gold mag quad.....

[plain saffron]

Drop rate is unknown but higher is better yes because higher is more core data

[lyric stump]

guys i need help with wichita meta (basicaly same stuff but less +13 and ur guns

[atomic abyss]

Help with what exactly

[lyric stump]

not wining

[atomic abyss]

As in not 1 shotting?

[lyric stump]

yep

15% left

[hollow sail]

not possible to win all the time even with the very best

so if you're lacking, yeah

[atomic abyss]

I don't think we have a consistent one shot comp yet

At least, not without supporting fire lol

[lyric stump]

ok so not lucky

[atomic abyss]

One shot probably needs close to max tech

[late flame]

i just 2-shot the fight, and forgot about her once i hit 25k lol

[crimson glacier]

yeah if you can 2 shot id just be happy with that

[lyric stump]

doin again pray

[crimson glacier]

theres the version with harbin over ply but idk if its better

[late flame]

+kiss consistency goodbye whenever helena's involved

cope for helena aux that gives 100% skill proc*

[lyric stump]

erm way worse now

[atomic abyss]

Helena procs failed probably

[lyric stump]

ya

no helena require top tech

[crimson glacier]

there is no no helena

[lyric stump]

so il work on tech

this wut they use

[late flame]

uh.. maybe brest/helena/guam ?

[hollow sail]

there is a consistent no helena but it's manual and has tight boat, gear and tech requirements

[crimson glacier]

i guess i should have said auto then

[late flame]

from that 30 page thingy?

[crimson glacier]

dont see any reason to manual meta battles

[late flame]

hot take maybe but i already cbf to manual ex, much less meta fights

[hollow sail]

most players probably never ever touch manual

[sweet delta]

pass 1-3 on manual but not touching the joystick or weapon buttons

[thorn tartan]

were is the spearfish particularly useful? vs the wyvern

[lyric stump]

poly

[lyric stump]

yep

[plain saffron]

Btw how kasumi meta on paper

[crimson glacier]

arent all cruise pass ships just bad

[slender heart]

Strong dd torper tho

[hollow sail]

she doesn't look half-bad actually

which is surprising since cruise pass tends to be irredeemable junk. not gonna be top tier though, and it's hard to get a full grasp without seeing it in practice

[sweet delta]

she has cool art and cool barrage

[plain saffron]

There's stuff like fortune once in a while so yeah

Can you like a dorm theme?

[thorn tartan]

what's better the champ gun +13 or the UR 406 mk7 +10?

oh wait, wrong armor types

[atomic abyss]

I mean generally the best gold stuff like champy gun is better to +13

Since you can +13 3 of them for the price of 1 rainbow to +13

[plain saffron]

Actually let me reword
Can you share dorm templates?

[atomic abyss]

Nyope

[plain saffron]

Hmm how about in jp