gameplay-help

[strange sphinx]

again

[atomic abyss]

it was after kizuna

and kizuna was definitely 2019

[strange sphinx]

Hello ender, 14-2 slap me

[atomic abyss]

EN got nep collab in late 2018 after all...
but we got kizuna and holo same time as JP/CN

[forest palm]

ah ya it was late 2019

[sweet delta]

do you need help slapping 14-2

[strange sphinx]

not really but, best exp farm is 12-4 or I can use 13-4?

[crimson glacier]

it doesnt really matter where you farm as long as its 12-1 or above

[sweet delta]

best is any chapter 12+ depending on which resource you want more of

[strange sphinx]

exp

13-4 and 13-2 is in safe mode

[sweet delta]

12-1 is the best exp/oil in chapter 12+ but 12-4 gives more exp per morale, almost as much exp/oil, and much more coins/oil

[worldly pewter]

i think it should be 12-1 or 13-1

[strange sphinx]

well I can arrange 13-1 to be safe

[worldly pewter]

also are u still running the non healer fleets ?

[strange sphinx]

well I'm just farming for now

[worldly pewter]

TBH i root for ur success but my experience with a healer wasn't easy TBH
let alone doing it without

[sweet delta]

13-1 is less exp than chapter 12 because you bring unicorn, it's only better than 12 if you are or anticipate being in territory

[strange sphinx]

I didn't bring unicorn in W13

[sweet delta]

me neither when i first cleared w13

[undone plover]

Would spending cog chips on AVI/FP be better than vanguard tech?

[strange sphinx]

hmmmmm I might go back in W12 to farm for my lvl 90 ships cause I don't think they can handle W13

[stark quiver]

i agree

[worldly pewter]

i think seeing that there are skills that are affected by rld
although i don't know how much the stat increase affects the performance in contrast to the backline dps
it might be worth investing it

[undone plover]

Frontline rld is rly not a high prio tbh
I meant their fp tech mostly

[worldly pewter]

yeah i noticed that the vanguards have usually very high rld stats so the impact is kinda weak

i m a utility fun TBH

[undone plover]

Their fp on the other hand is usually minor so they benefit a lot from fp tech

[cobalt rapids]

yes but u invest more in backline gear than vang
and backline tech is only divided between 2 hulls while vang is between 3 which means a relative higher % chance of the ships in ur current fleet benefitting from ur tech
and among other things alot of the time vang dmg dealing comes secondary
and even if relatively u get a bigger boost for vang fp compared to backline proportionally u still benefit more from backline

[undone plover]

makes sense

[signal pollen]

wait 12-4 isn't optimal for xp farming

[cobalt rapids]

w12+ is optimal for xp farming

depends on ur prios which chapter/stage combination u go for

[signal pollen]

Okay, thanks.

[forest palm]

11-1 is actually the most optimal, but 11-1 doesn't drop augment rocks, and cog chips, so it's thrown out, so 12-1, and 12-4 are used for XP

[eager mulch]

15-3 is worse for xp farming than 12-4 right?

[worldly pewter]

i think the more u advance the worse the efficiency goes

[sweet delta]

15-3 is bad for everything

[eager mulch]

not bad for houshou drop

my 5head plan is halford grind in 15-3 for houshou drop to grind daisen

[cobalt rapids]

its a plan

[sweet delta]

a decent plan for new players who don't have houshou

[eager mulch]

what tech does akaga and the cranes give

[cobalt rapids]

avi

+2 , + 4 respectively

[devout dock]

Is shinano good enough to put on one of my teams? dm me and I’ll send sc

[worldly pewter]

there is a tech in discord called
making threads

[wide marsh]

Shinano good for any fleet since UR

[worldly pewter]

well it will be dependent on other factors other than her being UR i think

[wide marsh]

If you have a place for damage CV, she is good. Just don't swap her with Unicorn in mobfleet or flag BB (Unless you know what you doing)

[devout dock]

Does Shinano fit either of my fleets?

[vestal thistle]

Okay I built agir and got her to dev 22

[remote yarrow]

Okay, keep going till Dev 30

[vestal thistle]

Which rp should be my next

I know but it's gonna take a while

[remote yarrow]

Well which ones you got? It's recommended to do PR4 as a whole if you haven't yet

[lyric stump]

how strong is napoli guys

[vestal thistle]

Only have roon, saint Louis fs 4 and now agir

[remote yarrow]

Get FdG > Anchorage > rest of PR4

[vestal thistle]

What's with fdg

[sweet delta]

a permanently available rainbow BB

[rain vine]

gud ship, can upgrade with coins slowly over time

[sweet delta]

that doesn't use UR bulins

[remote yarrow]

Best commonly available UR BB you can get out of gacha

[vestal thistle]

I can build brest and bayard

[soft raft]

No one even has her yet but on paper she's looking to be Anchorage but with more damage and is Heavy armor

How the heavy armor will affect her suitability for late campaign, who knows

[vestal thistle]

And any other ib

[sweet delta]

Get FdG > Anchorage > rest of PR4

[remote yarrow]

It's better to do the recommended

[soft raft]

[vestal thistle]

Okay okay

[short wagon]

do i spend all my cubes on the upcoming vanguard rerun

[tame jungle]

you get 45ish free pulls so do those first (hope you get her)

[remote yarrow]

Use the 44 free pulls you'll get first, then use cubes

[vestal thistle]

???

[stark quiver]

its a feature for older ships in research

[keen saffron]

what are best fleets for PR farming the RN ship on map 12-4? Sadly, my Sardegna and RN ships are underleveled, so I want to level them as I unlock the CV

[vestal thistle]

Oh I thought only for sr

[rain vine]

literally anyone you have that fit the criteria

[lyric stump]

Datamine

[stark quiver]

if struggling unicorn+5 shitters you wanna level

[remote yarrow]

All seasons through 1 to 3 can be coined + PRs from season 4

[bold salmon]

the other pr ships works for the xp?

[rain vine]

yes

[bold salmon]

ok thanks

[soft raft]

yeah we only have datamine stats to go off of, hence the use of "On paper"
No one has her yet much less has her at even D10

[vestal thistle]

Can pr ships go above the 300k max after 125

[lyric stump]

so on paper wut her dpm?

[tame jungle]

you mean the xp buffer? no

[stark quiver]

all ships are capped at 3m xp after 125

[tame jungle]

assuming this is related to the xp grind, you don't have to worry about the "lost" xp not counting. even though it shows +0 xp on a ship it will count towards CDC

[vestal thistle]

What gear for agir

[rain vine]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/main/ca?ship=ägir
read the descriptions

[vestal thistle]

So alsace can help with brest whenever I get to that? Nice

[tame jungle]

if she's capped? yes (on the 1st cdc)

[stark quiver]

is there a way to change game language

[remote yarrow]

Nope

Devs don't care about any other language than En,Jp and Cn

[patent pivot]

how long is harby fight? 97?

[viscid swift]

should be 87

[patent pivot]

k

[wide marsh]

What is harby fight?

[stark quiver]

hard arbiter

[tame jungle]

the "final boss" of operation siren (monthly)

[stark quiver]

also is there a cat guide i could use anywhere

[tame jungle]

do /cats in botspam

[remote yarrow]

Riceist's

[sonic flame]

The Twin 410mm BB gun of PR7, is not worth considering?, theres no description of it on the document

[viscid swift]

it might see some use on Musashi but that's about it

[lyric stump]

y do cats to waste ur coins?

[lyric stump]

for musa but thats only reason

[wide marsh]

Cats are good. You can drop them overboard so they search gear parts in OpSi.

[sweet delta]

what document

[stark quiver]

well i only have 2 "decent" cats, and one is hardstuck in sub fleet and other is stuck in hakuNano fleet

[remote yarrow]

Datamine I'm guessing

[lyric stump]

o ok

[sonic flame]

The datamine document

[sweet delta]

[sonic flame]

Huh, it didnt load properly for me.

Now it makes sense, I thought it was weird that there wasnt any description.

[hollow gust]

Good cats are massive improvements to your fleet

[bold salmon]

when a skill say cannon damage bb shells are included?

[vale spindle]

cannon damage = all damage that scales from the fp stat of a ship

so if your ships launches projectiles but they are torpedo scaling (like shimakaze) it doesn't count

bb shells are always fp scaling so should count

most bb barrages are also fp scaling so those should also count as well

[bold salmon]

ok thanks

[light trail]

is there any knowledge or estimation when next event will be

[silk helm]

#game-news

[viscid swift]

next event will be next week, it's Vanguard's rerun
we also have a stream this Friday

[light trail]

oh i can finally get the table i stupidly thought was not worth farming for back then

[light trail]

im assuming streams have big news like gbf streams do?

[stark quiver]

what will stream be about? anni?

[viscid swift]

stay tuned

[eager mulch]

ok

[light trail]

does haku need to be fs5 before she's worth using or is she already at a "shit, she's really damn good" level of strength at dev30

[inner delta]

dev30 is good

fs5 is just bonus

[worldly pewter]

nope if u meant anni summer and ny

[light trail]

good to know, ty

[inner delta]

you should still get it since it's a pretty big bonus

[light trail]

not like gifts or anything, i dont expect anyone else to be as generous as cygames. just like if it means "big news" in general

[forest palm]

F5 for Haku is a sizable boost mind you

[light trail]

yeah i just wanted to know if i could use her once i get her to dev 30 eventually is all. she's cute, but im not tryna stop at dev30. it's like when i could start to use her

[worldly pewter]

well TBH i m still new to AL but seeing how the cn anni stream went i can't say they are similar TBH
duration wise and news reveal and future plans

i should at least watch the last jp anni stream to compare

[light trail]

lemme rephrase, i dont want to know comparisons. i want insight on what is actually in the streams (preferably from someone who can answer this confidently)

[worldly pewter]

for AL as far as i noticed they only reveal the next event

[inner delta]

ship reveal, event reveal, maybe augment, and stuff like this

[forest palm]

basically

• road map
• dev talk
• upcoming content
• merchandise
• promotional stuff

also Mafia being a degen

[eager abyss]

whats the difference between “Twin 127mm Mk 12 Dual-Purpose Gun Mount (Time Fuze)” and “Twin 127mm Mk 12 Dual-Purpose Gun Mount”

[viscid swift]

one's a main gun, the other is an AA gun

[tame jungle]

the time fuze gun is an AA gun that works a little differently than the normal AA guns

[eager abyss]

what does timefuze do

[viscid swift]

it makes your AA gun absolutely terrible

[eager abyss]

so whats a good aa gun?

[tame jungle]

Check equipment guide (/equip in #bot-spam )

[eager mulch]

terrible for everyone except NC UU

[agile heath]

does the 400 UR choice roll over to limited banners?

[viscid swift]

no

[forest palm]

your basic stuff is Quad Bofor, Hazemayer, and Twin 90. Then you have the more advanced stuff Twin 113, Sextuple Bofors, STAAG, Twin 57, and then the more niche Twin 134 which is just a stat stick

[agile heath]

so i am just sitting on a free pull of two URs i already have?

[worldly pewter]

what about the accelerator from the pr6 ?

[undone plover]

shimakaze will also be added soon

[agile heath]

have her flb already ;w;

[undone plover]

u can get dupes for whatever purpose then
or retire them for medals

[forest palm]

I honestly don't bother to recommend accelerators that aren't the 57, or STAAG, those alone would be sufficient enough not to use other ones

[eager mulch]

dumping cubes into research: , dumping cubes into perma shima:

[forest palm]

Shimakaze is just TRP HM stat pad these days

[stark quiver]

torp meme

[forest palm]

no one has done torp meme in ages, and content doesn't facilitate that anymore

unless you enjoy manual it's obsolete

[knotty dome]

i'm trying to farm maya. if i set my fleet to 'repeat sortie', if i get maya drop part way through, it should pause for the new ship screen, and then i can save oil and cancel out right?

[eager mulch]

murdered before he finished his sentence

[forest palm]

it would have to start the next run, but if you catch it you can stop it

[vale spindle]

if you enable (or disable) whatever setting that is in settings then yes

[stark quiver]

it might force another stage after u confirm drop, but just click faster

[vale spindle]

i forgot if you enable or disable it, but i do know there is a setting in the settings regarding stopping autosearch when you get a new ship

[knotty dome]

if i get maya can i just close the app instead of clicking faster?

[vale spindle]

that works too

[knotty dome]

ok, thanks

[knotty dome]

is it "new ship notification"?

[stark quiver]

most likely

[knotty dome]

thanks

[eternal basalt]

There's no way to NOT pause the screen for a new ship

[eager mulch]

double negative

[eternal basalt]

That just makes your phone buzz on SR drop

[tired condor]

why is haku not on the highest tier on the tier list

[sweet delta]

ask the tier list people

[forest palm]

still useful

[livid creek]

Quick question, does the pvp ("exercises") ever get more balanced as you level up your fleet? Because as a new player with an average ship level of 35, my only choices for opponents are players that have ships that are level 100+
At this rate I'm just getting slaughtered in under ten seconds and getting my pity reward of 25 merit lol

[worldly pewter]

yeah just die and get some merits
that is the early game experience

[knotty dome]

also, you still get ship exp even if you lose, so set 6 ships you want to level. you get more exp if the opponent's ships are high level

[sweet delta]

only higher level people can make it to higher ranks past the first week, but there will still be many high level defense fleets at low ranks

[eternal basalt]

You can lucky with people using memefleet

[livid creek]

Bruh, lol
That's such a strange design choice. Why not initially match new players based on commander level or something?

[rain vine]

because commander level doesnt mean anything when you can manually set your defense fleet to low level ships, even at higher commander levels

[livid creek]

Or based on like... idk, power level of the ships used?
Idk
I'm still gonna just pick up my 25 pity merit anyway lol

[forest palm]

PvP is treated inconsequentially, you just need to do the bar minimum to prosper

if you care to climb, and want to understand PvP more there's #pvp they have pins with various bits of information, and people that actually have a finer understanding of PvP

also Fleet Power, and Commander level are irrelevant, because it's easy to boost a fleets' power with just bad gear, and any person at any Commander Level can do that

[livid creek]

Nah, I've no no interest in climbing; just a passing interest in if there was a chance at a fair fight at my level
But thank you all the same ❤️

[undone plover]

they do have budget options that can help u win more consistently
but it will be a few weeks before u are able to actually build sth strong.

[sweet delta]

there's no fair fight anywhere because the attacker gets a large advantage and there are also positional differences

[signal pollen]

Should I use a twin 406 mk5 as a med/heavy substitute for bb?

[remote yarrow]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_406mm_(16"/45_Mk_5)#Type_3-0 This thing? It's trash

[keen sable]

there's a reason it's not in gear guide

[remote yarrow]

You are mostly gonna be using 406mk6 until you get Champy guns

[signal pollen]

Do I assume there’s not budget medium/heavy bb main gun?

[sweet delta]

it's called mk6

[signal pollen]

I thought that was for light units

[remote yarrow]

Exactly, that's your budget "med/heavy" BB gun up until you get Champy guns

[signal pollen]

Okay. That makes more sense. Thanks

[keen sable]

it's exceptional vs light. it's pretty good vs everything else

[eager mulch]

you’re exceptional

[signal pollen]

Do I also have to make a build slot for AP/HE main gun CA until I get the rainbow main gun?

[sweet delta]

what's a build slot

[remote yarrow]

Not really, it's not that necessary

[signal pollen]

I forgot the save slot thingy is called

[remote yarrow]

Presets?

[signal pollen]

Thanks

[signal pollen]

Yeah that.

[stark quiver]

is volga comparable to aquila in terms of healing, or is there no comparison

[unkempt mirage]

what are some other candidates to proc nakhimov stop, if i dont have soyuz. Just want to maybe prepare that too ahead of time

[soft raft]

Chkalov FS5 and Kronstadht Crossfleet

[unkempt mirage]

okay, i dont have those either

[soft raft]

welp Chkalov is peramently in PR5 so you can get her

[meager gyro]

is this good?

[unkempt mirage]

yeah, but at this rate chkaloz fs5 will be much later than naki. Anything viable in the vanguard for the proc

[soft raft]

nothing that's Northern Parliment

only Northampton II has a noticable slow effect and she's American

[meager gyro]

is this good?

[forest palm]

that's not how that works....

[unkempt mirage]

isnt it?, We need a NP unit with a slow right, so that naki slows also applies its stop?

[remote yarrow]

Before you ask individually for every gear you got give this a read
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

[meager gyro]

doesnt make any sense

[eager mulch]

tbh there’s not really a scenario you want to use nakh stop

[silk helm]

you're not the first to link that 😂

[soft raft]

tfym it dont, surely it's not hard to use your braincells to read

[tame jungle]

You’d be surprised

[eager mulch]

calm down man this isn’t ectl general

[meager gyro]

theres no tier list or nohting, doesnt say anywhere if something is good or not

[eager mulch]

my advice long ago was to just send him to ectl and see how long he lasts

[remote yarrow]

It literally does say what gear is good in which content or situation, try to read

[meager gyro]

literally where

[remote yarrow]

If you still don't get it idk what to tell you

[tame jungle]

Uninstall

[worldly pewter]

the good ones are on the top
the more u go to the bottom the more it becomes niche and poverty choices

[remote yarrow]

Example for BB guns

[meager gyro]

so bb guns are better dd guns? doesnt make sense to me

[meager gyro]

doesnt make any sense bc no tierlist

[remote yarrow]

Consider BBs and BCs almost the same

[remote yarrow]

And why are you comparing different Gun types? BB guns have their own recommendation and same for DD gun, CL,CA,etc

[worldly pewter]

he might be refering to the secondary slot since he uses nj alot

[meager gyro]

he said the lower in the list it gets its poverty, dd guns are lower in the list than bb guns, doesnt really make sense does it?

[hollow sail]

tashkent appears to be the only reliable one

[sweet delta]

if you want to help him, do it in a thread or DMs

[remote yarrow]

Lower in the list in their own category

Idk how this is that hard to understand

[tame jungle]

Trolling

[silk helm]

Doesn't ectl have a tier list for each ship? Just use that

[worldly pewter]

oh he meant in the list as in the BB were mentioned first and then the DDs were under them

[sweet delta]

might as well send him to ectl gameplay help too

[remote yarrow]

I'm sorry but I won't explain any further than this, it isn't that hard, just stop with the defeatist attitude and try to understand for once

[sweet delta]

they can answer questions about their tier list the best

[elfin hollow]

~~ I think I have enough EN for today ~~

[worldly pewter]

but u just got here

[meager gyro]

also half of the stuff isnt even on the list so how is one supposed to know if its good

[worldly pewter]

not there = not good

and ofc try to know which chart are u looking at

[meager gyro]

ok so someone like me cant even use the list bc i have basically nothing on there

[worldly pewter]

so for example if u look at the BB chart
don't try to look for a DD gun

if u want to see if the DD gun is good or no go look in the DD gun chart

each one is separated from the other

[eager mulch]

that’s what I’m saying

[silk helm]

Same tho tbh

I'm so poverty

[uneven cave]

If you don't have the gears listed on there, you probably are early enough in the game to the point it doesn't matter which gear, as long as you have some gear

[tame jungle]

Lmao

[keen sable]

that's not why you can't use the list

[uneven cave]

Otherwise that sam guide is real good, if it's too hard then brainrot moment

[remote yarrow]

Clearly won't be called names and instant shitposter role

[knotty dome]

what does this mean

isn't stop good?

[remote yarrow]

It is, but her Stop is too situational to be reliable

[soft raft]

you have to use another NP ship with a slow to proc her freeze which limits fleet comp flexibility compared ti Implac

[meager gyro]

what should i buy here?

[soft raft]

/protocore I swear im getting deja vu here

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Guide.jpeg

[meager gyro]

why is the pr3 gun red when its bad?

[remote yarrow]

Who told you it's bad

[meager gyro]

someone yesterday

[soft raft]

sounds like some #al-general idiot

[meager gyro]

no, here

[worldly pewter]

no actually because he was trying to beat 11-3 which had light armored bosses
we told him that it is bad against these ones

[uneven cave]

This gun looks bad to me

[remote yarrow]

oh

[meager gyro]

i was told that its bad and shouldnt get it

[silk helm]

Why is ply gun not red or green?

[remote yarrow]

selective reading I guess

[soft raft]

ngl considering his abysmall gear situation, i dont think he's in a position to be picky

[worldly pewter]

no someone was trolling u right there

[uneven cave]

Other very good CL gun options exist (obviously falls behind quad 152 tho)
Also not as impactful as BB guns are

[worldly pewter]

no i m sure uniquename trolled him right there

[meager gyro]

one day its good, the next its trash again, are there that many balance changes in this game?

[uneven cave]

What kind of conclusion is that

[soft raft]

no you're just completley misremembering shit and mixing up various contexts

[worldly pewter]

[sweet delta]

did you know that theres a reason why you should stick in your thread instead of venturing out here where 30 people try to help you?

[meager gyro]

no, a few weeks ago i got told to buy it, yesterday i asked if i should craft it and the answer was no its bad

[worldly pewter]

#gameplay-help message
this one i think

[sweet delta]

.

[bold salmon]

when is the doble gem refresh?

[soft raft]

Anniv
Which is August for us

[sweet delta]

likely next month

[bold salmon]

ok thanks

[stone sluice]

Is the Spearfish worth the T3 ordnances or shall I save them?

[soft raft]

imo just save

[remote yarrow]

Wyvern is cheaper

[stone sluice]

Wyvern does not cost ordnances

[soft raft]

consider the following: Tenrai being added to gear lab next year

[meager gyro]

can you guys ping me when the gun is good again so i can get it?

[sweet delta]

ping him in his thread

[tame jungle]

Will do, no need to come back here in the meantime

[silk helm]

i'm dying 😂

[meager gyro]

is this ok?

[uneven cave]

[icy mountain]

istg berke has dementia or something

[soft raft]

considering that you barely have anything better, sure that works i guess

[worldly pewter]

he wants to forcibly use avp

[icy mountain]

hes gotta be legit trolling

[meager gyro]

what about this?

[icy mountain]

i mean, hes asked the same questions over and over for the past 2 weeks

[remote yarrow]

Jan, please don't

[dire burrow]

Hi, haven’t logged on in a yr and was wondering if I could get some help with updating ops fleets

[stone sluice]

[soft raft]

yes
post your dock in a thread

[dire burrow]

Ops fleet help

[grizzled wave]

can zeppy be used for DR ship exp?

[remote yarrow]

Like Agir's? Yeah

[grizzled wave]

for FdG

[remote yarrow]

oh, yes

[undone plover]

yeah but she is not ideal if u have beter options

[remote yarrow]

If you don't have any better options ofc

[grizzled wave]

im double iron blood backline rn

[remote yarrow]

Since she doesn't give tech

[grizzled wave]

im using UvH and was switching between thurigen and seydiltz to keep morale up

[eager mulch]

[grizzled wave]

and using ryuuhou or unicorn for heals

[remote yarrow]

Where are you grinding?

[grizzled wave]

12-1

[remote yarrow]

idk, I don't think you need a healer with a strong enough vanguard to carry the backline

[forest palm]

Ulrich as a mob BB in campaign is pretty ass....

[remote yarrow]

You are slowing down your grind by doing that

[grizzled wave]

im just using it for exp grind

[undone plover]

just put her flag otherwise she will do 0 dmg when out of ammo if off flag

[keen sable]

do you really believe berke can figure out gear swapping. will you teach them? if not then do you intentionally recommend stuff that is known to be bad for people?

[remote yarrow]

Nope

[sharp socket]

gear swapping is so easy to do

you just click like 3 buttons why is this a problem

[uneven cave]

some brainrot kid can't figure it out
don't even try

[keen sable]

we have ourselves a volunteer

[sharp socket]

i only do swapping for abyssal and stronghold last boss anyway

[uneven cave]

You swap gear for strongholds?

[stark quiver]

i dont swap, i heal then throw them in again

[sharp socket]

im lazy to heal

also it feels good to kill in one shot

[grizzled wave]

will 3 lvl 120 vanguard ships be fine without ryuuhou or unicorn? I use switch between helena lvl 123, azusa lvl 120, shimikaze lvl 120, sandy lvl 122, noshiro lvl 120

[silk helm]

what gear?

[remote yarrow]

Yeah, even Lv 100 would be enough with decent enough gear

[stark quiver]

in 12-1? yes absolutely

[eager mulch]

he’s using triple bbs in w12

[grizzled wave]

for who and tbh not good gears i followed the sams guide for gears but i dont have the best ones

[sharp socket]

you dont need exceptional gear for making a frontline live in w12

[stark quiver]

doesnt matter, overlevel + decent gear would kill w12

[grizzled wave]

i have decent and transitional gears

[sharp socket]

do u have washing machines

if u dont, just throw repair kits on your frontline and theyll live, because level difference

[keen sable]

that's considered a waste

[grizzled wave]

use 2 then?

[sharp socket]

if you also wanna level additional frontline having washing machine + repair kit can make it a breeze

[grizzled wave]

i have 2 washing machines assuming ur talking about the gold steering thing LOL

[forest palm]

that extends only as far as cruisers, DDs want lunch boxes

[sharp socket]

yeah the high performance hydraulic steering gear

[grizzled wave]

so 2 ironblood main and any 2 overleveled vanguard ships with washing machines and repair kits

[keen sable]

and the other two ships?

[sharp socket]

the blue version also works, you can also squish a DD in the middle slot

[keen sable]

are you a one fleeter??

[grizzled wave]

wdym i thought u said its a waste to use 3 vanguard ships?

[grizzled wave]

yeah for grinding xp

[remote yarrow]

3 overleveled vanguard ships

[keen sable]

i said it's a waste to use 3 L120 vanguards. go level some additional useful stuff

[sharp socket]

uniquename is saying its a waste of exp to use already leveled ships

[grizzled wave]

ooo okay

[keen sable]

imo not worth it but you do you

[grizzled wave]

is there a sams guide for optimal for grinding DR?

[keen sable]

you know a second fleet helps allieve morale issues?

[sharp socket]

you just do 3 backline/frontline of the cdc you wanna farm and fill the other half of the fleet with strong ships

[grizzled wave]

oh i thought its cuz of the high effiency thing

[sharp socket]

you need a fleet 2 aswell for bossing, especially if u run your mob as entirely ships that need leveling

also remember to swap the ships you’re leveling in dorm 2nd floor after every sortie session so they regen morale faster for the next session

you can get about 10 sorties for 119 morale

10 sorties takes about an hour for me, so youll be able to do another 10 in 2.5h after the end of your first session when doing the dorm swapping

[grizzled wave]

@sharp socket i msged u on my threads

[sharp socket]

im putting this here so everyone lurking can also see

morale regen in 2nd floor is 50/h while regular regen is 20/h, with 3 ships in dorm and 3 outside dorm in your mob fleet, after the 10 sortie session, 3 ships will have 50 morale and 3 ships will have 1-5 morale

swap the 1-5 morale ships into dorm 2nd floor, thus in 2.5 hours they will gain 125 morale, the 3 ships outside dorm that had 50 morale will have 100+ morale, so you can do 9-10 sorties

you can also minmax this even harder and bring it down to 2 hours, but imo not worth because youll run out of oil very fast just by doing 2.5-3h breaks with dorm swapping method

assuming you farm 12-1, doing 10 sortie for 5 sessions (a reasonable timeframe for like a weekend) will spend about 14,800 oil

[rapid grail]

go 12-2 and be a less inefficient in the process

[sharp socket]

so you can relax more if you have less oil to spend, in which case doing a 4 hour break with a differnt dorm swapping pattern can be a good idea to maximise the 20% xp bonus from 120-150 morale

[grizzled wave]

ships get more xp if 120 to 150 morale?

[sharp socket]

yes

[grizzled wave]

i didnt know that lol

[sinful escarp]

thats why we put them in dorms
max morale they can get outside dorms is 119

[sharp socket]

to do this other method you do the same as the one i mentioned earlier, except you leave the 1-5 morale ships in 2nd floor for 3 hours, then take them out and put in the other half of the fleet in, they should be about 110+ morale, wait about an hour (or 36 minutes) then all 6 ships should be 150 morale

[wet prairie]

Anyone here worth raising as I grind napoli?

[remote yarrow]

Kirov,Bolzano and Zara give FP

[sweet delta]

choose tech, tech, and tech

[forest palm]

here you go #gameplay-help message

[wet prairie]

What tech for VG is good

[remote yarrow]

Check what Taz linked

[uneven cave]

oh so that's why torva is grinding with trento and bolzano

[forest palm]

gotta work that tech

[uneven cave]

I've been indiscrimately picking ships to 120

[remote yarrow]

idk if I should deadweight Kron for the FP tech

[forest palm]

just carry her to 120 even at 0 LB she's better than a lot of ships lol

[soft raft]

Huh HIT Tech
FP would still be more worth prioritizing first right

[uneven cave]

How impactful is hit for vanguards

[forest palm]

torps hit, shots hit, so...

[remote yarrow]

I'm using the first 3 but I'm out of SR bulins so I gotta cope with Ognevoy

[forest palm]

it does something, and something is better than nothing

[uneven cave]

[forest palm]

could be worse though could be ASW, HP, AA, or DD EVA

[remote yarrow]

She's HP tho

[forest palm]

I don't value HP tech

[stark quiver]

i think im doing something wrong, the np ships im using as vg are +2 dd hp and +2 dd eva

[forest palm]

you could keep going, and not care

[remote yarrow]

Taz, do the same but for Main pls

[forest palm]

Main Fleet what? SN?

[stark quiver]

at least my main is decent, i got uni, cuz its 3 lvl 90 dds, and fusouM and langley for rld

[remote yarrow]

Both

[remote yarrow]

Oh

Thanks Cheeky

[forest palm]

so messy

[viscid swift]

oh wait no, I forgot AVI tech, that's all of them

[remote yarrow]

Oh I can do Impero,Poltava and Giulio

[stark quiver]

3 level 70 0lb ships wont survive in 12-1 right?

as vanguard

[viscid swift]

probably not

[remote yarrow]

Will probably need to bring Unicorn and 2 other strong ships

[stark quiver]

rip, couldve leveled up some decent tech ships but no bulins

[remote yarrow]

Well you can't level up past 70 without bulins

[stark quiver]

i have enough bulins for 1 ship

[silk helm]

When do want to use a 18s VS 20s bb gun?

[sweet delta]

stagger vs sync bossing

[slow fox]

SuchiHuman

[opaque owl]

dont knock it til u try it

[slender heart]

my god, do your pvp alpha

[opaque owl]

never met someone without an overflow of bulins before

just act like you really dont want them and theyll come like crazy

[hollow gust]

[soft raft]

more like you build up buillins when you lack stuff you need to urgently limit break

[stark quiver]

all my merit things went into unlocking new ships

[warm flax]

What's the pr7 ship priority

[stark quiver]

any you like, because they wont be usable in the next few months

[opaque owl]

personally still on pr4, i will one day catch up

[late flame]

i wouldt worry about pr7 yet then.
just finish pr4, and also at least get plymouth from pr5

[eager mulch]

still on pr1 here

[late flame]

i legit has unfinished pr1 and 2 ships

[silk helm]

Gigachad

[eager mulch]

bro my izumo is dev4

[silk helm]

Start cubing

[sonic flame]

Is there a command for the drop only ships on the world maps?, I want to get their fleet tech.

[dim summit]

what's the recommended minimum tuning for normal arbiter? im at 148/175/164 right now

[eager mulch]

there is a wiki page for it

[remote yarrow]

Idk if it's the same for Normal but Harby is 203 203 156

[stark quiver]

i dont think theres really one cause u can just leave and heal

[dim summit]

aight

[remote yarrow]

If you haven't found it yet
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/List_of_Ship_Drops

[agile sky]

will retiring a ship lower ur collection%?

[eager mulch]

you can have every ship in the game, retire them all, and still be at 100%

[stark quiver]

maybe i should do that

[slender heart]

oi yamero

[valid spoke]

Can someone help me create a fleet for 13-2

[soft raft]

Post your dock in a thread

[valid spoke]

.

[eternal moth]

Trying to decide who to use when grinding for Napoli. If I only use ships that are under 120, I have this. I'm thinking maybe Chapy, Gorizia and Trento, thoughts?

Ignore the levels, I can get them to 100 easily

[soft raft]

Whoever gives FP, EVA (Tho DD EVA isnt hig prio), or HIT tech but yeah that works

[viscid swift]

Sure

I'd prioritize FP tech over hit though

[eternal moth]

None of those are great at AA right?

[viscid swift]

Not particularly

[rapid grail]

not a tall order of surviving w12

[eternal moth]

Yeah, I'm not too worried. I have a full rainbow crossfleet alongside them

[slow prism]

um.. lol

[uneven cave]

Yeah that happens

[slow prism]

How do I get out? 😐

[eternal moth]

Hit Exit in the bottom right

[slow prism]

Ah. Okay. thanks lol

First time that has ever happened lol

[jaunty vault]

its quite common so you'll experience it more as long as you play opsi

[maiden crown]

when should i be starting pr ship farming?

[eager mulch]

W12

[viscid swift]

When you get to w12

[jaunty vault]

could start sooner and keep it on back burner

[rapid grail]

12-1 at the earliest. You may need more cog chips especially on the long term

[jaunty vault]

[eager mulch]

[sweet delta]

You start farming PR without actually farming as soon as you unlock shipyard by just using the starter fleet with Portland and Helena

[last hatch]

I'm a legit noob. Lvl 19. Some tips?

[eager mulch]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[last hatch]

Thx

[eager mulch]

ok

[hushed cliff]

Is gold Aichi B7A Ryusei good

and if so is it better than the gold Barracuda

[jaunty vault]

ryuusei for specific usage

[viscid swift]

Yes, it and the Ryuussei do different things

[jaunty vault]

specifically hitting stationary enemies

[eager mulch]

or enemies that are stationary

[jaunty vault]

or enemies that become stationary

or slow enough that most of the torps hit

[hushed cliff]

So would it be ok for Ark Royal

[jaunty vault]

it would be ok for ark royal, yes

[wary timber]

I need opinions. I just built a wyvern so getting things like the best AA guns for some ships or even most other gold planes are out of the picture. Should i:
1: build a gold CA gun with high DPS for Roon
2: build the best secondary gun for NJ
3: Build the recommended CL gun for Howe's secondary battery

[stark quiver]

honestly you can get away with 155s for secondaries

[wary timber]

Or 4: build a CL gun so I can start using Helena Retrofit again (I'm using Helena Meta now)

[viscid swift]

Do you need any of them? Because it sounds like you're just spending mats just because you have them

[eager mulch]

because you them?

[viscid swift]

What are the you even trying to do right now

[stark quiver]

exactly what cl gun are you trying to build

[loud rover]

i think tier list recs neptune gun for Howe's "top" secondary gun. that takes testing reports dont it? imo not worth at all if it does

[wary timber]

Basically either I optimise my most active BBs or I get a working gun for Roon so I can start using her effectively immediately or start being able to use Helena retrofit again

[viscid swift]

It does, but it's just a waste of resources to craft it either way

[stark quiver]

are you in need of the things you just mentioned?

[viscid swift]

For BB fleets in OPsi the aux guns are just stat sticks so they're some of the last things you'd optimize

[wary timber]

The needs would be NJ's secondary gun, Roon's main gun and Helena's main gun

[viscid swift]

Also why do you need to craft a new CA and CL gun for Helena and Roon

[loud rover]

roon isnt even a good damage dealer and you could always just not use melena and switch her stuff to helenakai

[viscid swift]

Among other things just take the gear from other ships

[loud rover]

hell, roon's skill forcibly swaps your ammo types so a specific gun isnt even needed

[loud rover]

running poverty twin 152mm for all my BBs. if i can make a surplus of 155s should i swap? or just make 3 to use as stat sticks for opsi?

[wary timber]

I only have 2 tank CAs active now. Agir and Prinz Heinrich

I intend to bring a 3rd tank forward

[loud rover]

if u want 3 tanks then do the Great Wall lineup

[viscid swift]

By make you mean craft from the gear lab or?

[loud rover]

oh right it is in gear lab too, i think i already have 5 155s + 2 155kai and maybe one or two more i can craft w/o gear lab

[viscid swift]

I mean sure stick them on your BBs but don't craft regular 155s from the lab

[bright tusk]

is laff2 the tankiest ship in the game?

[viscid swift]

Situationally she can be

But not always

[soft raft]

Definitely the tankiest DD tho

[wary timber]

So I guess I'll improve NJ's secondaries ?

[jaunty vault]

how do you plan to do that

[loud rover]

guess i'll slowly transition my most used BBs to a 155

[viscid swift]

The 137mm isn't particularly high on the list of things to craft

[wary timber]

The prototype twin 137mm gun for NJ. She's using the gold twin 127mm already at this point

[viscid swift]

The upgrade will only be relevant if you plan to use her in w14 or w15

[wary timber]

Unless I get a superior UR BB then the will be the BB I use in W14 and 15

[viscid swift]

Well there's FDG, Vanguard is rererunning next week, etc

[loud rover]

wouldnt a harbin gun work fine too if he's got a spare lying around in the craft menu? its not the best option, but its better than what hes got

or would DDs get a higher prio here?

speaking of harbin guns i should swap out my twin 127s on DDs i use

[viscid swift]

Point is, is none of your options will be particularly meaningful upgrades for the time being, just hold onto your mats for now

[signal pollen]

is yatsen or harbin better for mobbing tank?

[eager mulch]

yat sen if you proc her skill

[signal pollen]

I also feel like this is kinda immoral to ask but the main part of using anchorage is to tank right? So technically only the auxiliary matters and I can scuff all her gear(assuming there’s no AA or something.

[eager mulch]

why would you scuff her gear

[signal pollen]

im broke in gear

[frank pulsar]

her dmg still pretty decent but yea technically that works

[slender heart]

Torp

[frank pulsar]

ah right that too, she needs a fast torp for her skill

[eager mulch]

if you’re using the ship you gear the ship

you have to have at least something so being broke is no excuse

[signal pollen]

the quad 533 mag torpedo should be fine right?

[calm rose]

there are purple proverty gears

[frank pulsar]

use purple french triple 550 or the blue twin ones

[agile sky]

Since everyone is starting from scratch due to new PR series, how long does it usually take to MLB a DR ship?

[frank pulsar]

3-4 months

[eager mulch]

~3-4 months

[agile sky]

sheeeesh

[signal pollen]

I don't have a triple 550 💀 is that gear lab

wait torpedoes can go to triple? I thought they were quad and up

[jaunty vault]

just use the fastest torp you have

lower rarity torps can be twin and triple

anchorage wants faster torps to proc more of her skill

[eager mulch]

single torp when

[frank pulsar]

theres this and this

[jaunty vault]

quad mags are fine to use on her nonetheless

[frank pulsar]

surely he has at least a triple mag torp

[eager mulch]

surely someone else could use a quad mags better

[calm rose]

go for either one if you dont have a gold CA gun

[signal pollen]

yay, made one triple. thanks

for golden guns I only have gold twin 203s

[jaunty vault]

those work

[frank pulsar]

thats fine, it better than no gun

[signal pollen]

Wait so which one should I go for

Okay, thanks.

I should 10 the torpedo?

Is there a suggested AA I use?

[stark quiver]

idk for what, but the proto twin 90, and roombas are good

[signal pollen]

It's for anchorage boss tanking. trying to find some budgets ones so I can focus on airplanes(for yorktown at least)

[calm rose]

if you wanna use this, just leave it at +6

[signal pollen]

Okay

[soft raft]

Circled in red is good
Circled in blue is for backliners
Circled in green is budget
Circled in Yellow is fodder to craft into UR AA later down the line

[signal pollen]

Oh, the ones for fodder have been upgraded a long time ago

[calm rose]

is okay, you get your plates back after upgrading them to UR

[signal pollen]

Okay, now I just need to farm ur plates 😭

[slender heart]

Ganbare

[whole crypt]

I wouldn't say green is budget, you don't really get significantly more 105s and pompoms than roomba and they're not cheaper to enhance

but pompoms and 105s will be enough to tide you through ch12 if you haven't come by roombas and bofors I guess?

since they're basically coming random out of opening boxes

[dawn crater]

Is wichita meta good? Im new player trying to form fleet to try and get to endgame as fast as I can rn but my ship choices are limited rn

[whole crypt]

META ships take a lot of effort to max and don't see much action in lategame

and the game's real "endgame" isn't the late stages and oneshotting abyssals anyway, it's the process of collecting and leveling everything

[shell willow]

isnt Q>G>rest what we are supposed to do when trying to get gear? been trying it since pr7 came out but still 0 rainbow

[jaunty vault]

when did PR7 come out?

[steady beacon]

Just short of three days ago

[whole crypt]

rigging is better than grant but 🎲 is going to 🎲
it's been less than a week so glhf

[shell willow]

alright

[soft raft]

Glass cannon
Tbh no real need to rush META ships since outside of tech and Fortune META for #pvp , most of the Elite METAs are dogshit and the showdown METAs are "Good but better options exist"

[barren spear]

How good is the spearfish, type 95 pure oxygen and the twin 57mm/ L60 rainbows?

[stark quiver]

spearfish is a more expensive wyvern

[steady beacon]

Still using FortM in PvP?

[whole crypt]

Jintsuu is still there but Fortune may or may not be replaced

either way that's just PvP, it's irrelevant for "endgame" in the sense of late chapter and OS/META bossing

[stark quiver]

twin 57 is really good direct upgrade to the already good twin 90mm

[soft raft]

Good but too expensive, niche overkill, very good, and tf is a L60 respectively

[whole crypt]

the rainbow sub torps are kind of niche and don't really work for wolfpack

[steady beacon]

L/60 is the rainbow AA ofc

[stark quiver]

l90 is the name of UR aa

[steady beacon]

And yes, it's excellent, but ofc expensive

[soft raft]

Oh
Ngl didn't even know it had any more numbers beyond Twin 57 lol

[stark quiver]

i never knew what the twin 57 was i just called it Ur AA, l60 is the 2nd part of it apparently

[barren spear]

Okay, I don't have a single copy of those three, though been kinda slacking when it comes to the gear lab stuff. Not even sure what I have now is good or not

[whole crypt]

rainbow AA is basically a direct upgrade to anything that's not roomba, staag or 134

[stark quiver]

id recommend getting wyverns first

[barren spear]

I have a Wyvern

[stark quiver]

do you have 3? Youd want more

[whole crypt]

do you have WyvernS

[barren spear]

No

[whole crypt]

then make more wyverns first

[shell willow]

is reload stat continuously checked while ship is loading salvo/airtstrike/etc or its only checked at time the previous one was fired?

[whole crypt]

continuously checked

[stark quiver]

i got got 3 wyverns first then got a breguet

[whole crypt]

I'd say at least 2

it's easy to be using 2 or more from 12 onwards

[smoky palm]

Sooo.. Shimikaze is gonna be the next UR added to the UR exchange?..

[stark quiver]

yes

[soft raft]

Out of the following, who would benefit from Mog gun the most:

• Brest Secondary slot (She has UR AA to proc her self buff)
• SandyKai
• Laffey II

[whole crypt]

I'd say San Diego

[soft raft]

She was the 3rd Gacha UR ever so yee she's next in line

[smoky palm]

Since thats happening and her event is getting added to the war archives.. does that mean all the skins assosiated with that event will become available perma too?..

[stark quiver]

doing w15? i put mog gun on laff2 and twin 130 on sandy

[whole crypt]

CN already announced Shimmering Blue archive next maintenance so...

[plain saffron]

EN also did

[stark quiver]

i dont do skins, so i dont know abt that

[whole crypt]

ah, regardless not just next in line, but next week

[forest palm]

when Shimakaze event is just the UR ver of Microlayer

[soft raft]

Yeah
That wording was in case they thought she wasn't the next UR in line to be WA'd

[barren spear]

I'll do an imgur of my depot to give you an idea of what I have

[plain saffron]

no need imgur anymore, use threads

[barren spear]

Okay

[stark quiver]

is rookie officer carriers a good choice for a cv cat

[exotic flax]

What do I do with blue augment modules?

[steady beacon]

That's the AVI/RLD one right?
If so, yes

[stark quiver]

its that or sakura skill boost

i have rookie officer sakura rn

[steady beacon]

You can feed them to other augment modules for upgrade exp

[barren spear]

Depot

[exotic flax]

I've got lots and I can't remember how I got them

[steady beacon]

Probably from that uh
Weekly raid

[exotic flax]

Ah yes probably

[native folio]

do I have to be rank 60 to finish these? the daily raid tactical training requires level 60. do the other missions also count in the daily raid menu?

[steady beacon]

Uhhhhh
None of those require Tactical Training (if that's the cog chip one)

[whole crypt]

all daily raids count as long as they give you the appropriate thing

[steady beacon]

Boxes are from the W/Sa/Su one
Plates from M/Th/Su
Books from Tu/Fr/Su

[plain saffron]

also it only start counting after you open them for the 1st time

[keen sable]

25 i believe

[native folio]

what you mean? i just did one and got all 3 boxes counted

[whole crypt]

the mission counter isn't started until you first open the rookie mission tab

so if you did all your daily raids before you first visit it none of it counts

[soft raft]

New catch-up and research rookie missions is January right

[plain saffron]

does catchup comes with fs usually?

[whole crypt]

isn't catchup sooner

[plain saffron]

iirc catchup with fs so should be en anni

[whole crypt]

CNY should be DR coining and gear lab if we follow this year

[plain saffron]

pr coining also

pr4 and dr3

[native folio]

should you just make vow to shipgirl whenever you get a promise ring?

[plain saffron]

oath waifu

unless you're some big whale that want to minmax that +6% more stats

[native folio]

how often do you get a promise ring

[plain saffron]

1 per year usually

[sinful escarp]

that 6% barely does anything btw
so just oath who you want

[calm rose]

the thing that shows when did you joined AL is during anniv right?

[steady beacon]

Yep

Also damn, artillery barrage has already begun

[agile sky]

does having a research ship unlocked make it easier for you to collect their BP or nah (aside from coin-able ones)

[lost folio]

what fleets do you guys use for arbiter hard? the fleets i use are nj alabama friederich anchorage shimakaze neptune,,, implacable bis zwei hakuryuu krondstadt helena plymouth,, kearsage sovestky york 2 kazagumo yuudachi emden,,, ulrich shinano musashi unzen laffey 1 sandy... i can only get it down to 17 health

[plain saffron]

nope doesn't affect

[whole crypt]

are you running into the shield
also harby has shelling resistance in last 30%

[lost folio]

running into the shield, like the thing it deploys mid battle?

😦

[steady beacon]

Wait, what 👀
This Hard Arbiter doesn't have anti-shell shield

Oh
Wrong shield

What even is the anti-shell shield properly called in EN

[balmy matrix]

At what dev Anchorage become usable?

[steady beacon]

[sweet delta]

25 but she'll get to 30+ quickly from coining anyways

[lost folio]

should i use agir and hindenburg? they're both missing a star tho

[sweet delta]

agir dev 25 yes, hindenburg must have dev 30

i think you need help sorting out your fleets

[lost folio]

yea i do a little 😢

i try to always do it on my own lol but aribter is so hard

[sweet delta]

are all of these max limit broken?

[lost folio]

only kearsage at dev 28

and friderich at 29

[sweet delta]

make a thread and post your whole rainbow/gold dock anyways, maybe there are hidden ships who are good

[whole crypt]

shit autoing the last part of a stronghold ate up my cat dive

[sweet delta]

or just this alone should easily make up the 17 health bar difference (but you may get trouble again in other months)

haku shinano implacable anchorage kazagumo Sirius/sandy/aurora
bisz Soyuz ulrich agir Helena ply
musashi NJ yorkii kron Laffey/sandy yuudachi
whatever's left

[lost folio]

im making the thread rn

fleetbuilding arbiter

[clever lance]

Should we be upgrading all the skills for the ships in shipyard?

[stark quiver]

would tigercats be a decent replacement for flapjacks if i dont have them for w15

[vale spindle]

yes

[lost folio]

yes

[clever lance]

Even the ones that take valuable resources

[lost folio]

only the ships you want to use

[rain vine]

what valuable resources? skillbooks?

[plain saffron]

you get enough to max them all anyway, it's just the time that gatekeep it

you mean skills or building a research ships?

[whole crypt]

research ships just level skills like normal ships what do you mean

[stark quiver]

is there a gimmick to w14? like how w15 needs a lot of AA

[plain saffron]

yes, subs and night battle

[stark quiver]

night battle can be solved by lighthouse right?

[plain saffron]

you can read about those in gametips

not all stage have light house iirc

[stark quiver]

its been too long since ive done it

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Suchiguma/Concealment

[slow fox]

Why is it User:Suchiguma instead of User:SuchiHuman

[plain saffron]

SuchiBot

[slow fox]

It's PersonGami

[plain saffron]

no this is BotGami

[stark quiver]

if i had every ship in game, what would be the most optimal w14 fleets

[rain vine]

whatever the world 15 fleets are

[whole crypt]

not exactly

[steady beacon]

So sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, got it

[spring bolt]

the fact is non optimal fleets can beat ch 14 easily so most guide makers don't bother making optimized guide for ch 14 since long ago

[whole crypt]

ships and gear has gotten so much better since ch14 launch there's no point making "optimal" setups

[spring bolt]

just slap a few ASW gears on ch 15 fleets and it will most likely do the job smoothly

[elfin hollow]

does anyone have an idea whats best UR fleet rn

[whole crypt]

best for what

[elfin hollow]

in general...

[whole crypt]

in general content isn't hard enough to use a fleet of URs

[elfin hollow]

Where does Unzen shine?

[stark quiver]

dps situations

[whole crypt]

anti-heavy DPS

[elfin hollow]

Can I use her instead of any DDs ? Since DPS she should be in middle.. right?

[spring bolt]

the fact is no hard content uses a full UR fleet, as many non urs have irreplaceable gimmicks

[whole crypt]

DPS only need to be in the middle if they're the most flimsy of the vanguards
whether she replaces a DD depends on what you're actually doing and what the DD is

[elfin hollow]

Thanks guys

[steady beacon]

All that glitters is not (necessarily) rainbow

[spring bolt]

for so many years, people are trying to get rid of helena but never really succeeded, she always comes back to the optimal fleets

[elfin hollow]

can you give me good ships to form with Helena

It shold be my best fleet, right?

[soft raft]

The fleet that's fighting the boss

[sweet delta]

Depends on the enemy, your fleets, and your available ships

[spring bolt]

well that's part of helena magic: almost every ship works well with her with correct gears

[elfin hollow]

Thank you

Can I send my fleet in a thread here in the future to help with fleet building? I want to be good in OpSi and also finish chapter 14 as well

Heavy, Light HE APs are very confusing

[spring bolt]

for BBs, champ gun or mk6/7 + double shells, works well with helena without SG radar
or champ gun or mk6/7 + shell + HPFCR/table works well with helena with SG

for carriers, usually you adjust take off time to around 20s and they will work with helena

[sweet delta]

For BBs basically
light boss = HE
medium/heavy boss = AP
But good guns are better than bad guns

[crisp estuary]

[strange sphinx]

wew 14-2 100%, looks like need to safe it

[stark quiver]

Are torpedoes a big enough threat in 14-3&4 that I’d want to run bulge instead of toolbox

[tidal meteor]

Why's the rocket comparison thingy now blocking the datamine? Is it samheart who organises the spreadsheet?

[inner delta]

not rly

[vale spindle]

should be fixed now, or its just google sheets trolling you specifically

[tidal meteor]

Fixed now, thank you

[strange sphinx]

hmmmm is the spearfish good against light or med-heavy?

[steady beacon]

You can use it for anti-light single target in TB-locked slots
But in more general situations it's ultimately a parallel TB (that happens to have a side of rockets), so you can use it exactly as you would any other parallel TB

[strange sphinx]

Hkw about The pr 7 Converging TB and La-9?

[inner delta]

both are timing based

sidegrade to each role

[steady beacon]

The new VIT-2 is conv TB of same ilk as Ryuusei/Ju-87/Saiun, you choose which one as timing dictates as Yuki said
La-9... now that one I'm still not really sure yet...
It really should be best anti-med/anti-heavy fighter for single-target but the cooldown gives me goosebumps

[inner delta]

La should also be timing too

that thing is so slow

[steady beacon]

Ye

[iron meteor]

what does this mean

[steady beacon]

Exactly what it sounds
Their mood/morale is at zero

[iron meteor]

yeah what would happen

[zinc turret]

exactly what it said

[strange sphinx]

half exp

[iron meteor]

at 0 mood

[steady beacon]

Basically, stop using them for now and let them regen morale in dorm
Uhhhhh
Exactly what it says also, their affinity goes down
And uh... half exp iirc

[zinc turret]

her affinity will reduced

[iron meteor]

oh ty 🙂

[inland shoal]

Wait what since when does it say this with several ships affected?

[strange sphinx]

just Don't attack

[strange sphinx]

zsame morale and fleet be like hahahah

[rose whale]

I'm curious about the researches that says "clear world x or above". lets say it want me to clear world 8 but I clear world 12, will it fulfill the requirement faster?

[inland shoal]

Also "(Main)"

[iron meteor]

just the name of the fleet kek

[steady beacon]

The number of clears required remains the same even if you clear a higher world

[rose whale]

okay, thanks

[inland shoal]

For me it always says sth like Your ships' (Fleet 1) morale is low or sth without telling me who it is when it's more than one ship
So I'm wondering if they changed that recently

[jaunty vault]

skill issue

[iron meteor]

all 3 has the same morale value so maybe thats y

[strange sphinx]

.*4

[jaunty vault]

its probably something like
if one or more ships have low morale, lists all ship names
if everyone in fleet has low morale, fleet has low moral

[inland shoal]

Well I also had them at 0 at the same time

[steady beacon]

Quick question @inland shoal ... in the WeaponCooldown formulas
If there's an effect that reduces/increases cooldown that multiplier is applied only to the "multiplicative" part of the formula right? So the VolleyTime, ABSCD, and the extra 0.033 are not subject to the reduction/increase?

[inland shoal]

Nah it wasn't everyone

[strange sphinx]

@iron meteor tell, are those ships are oathed?

[iron meteor]

yes

no wait those ship no

[strange sphinx]

.hmmmm can anyone answer, do oathed ships have slightly faster morale regeneration or same with non-oathed ships?

[plain saffron]

been a while iirc

[steady beacon]

Should be +1/6 min ye

I'm legit the only idiot who gives morale regen per tick rather than per hour tbh

[late flame]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Affinity#Morale

[signal fog]

how good is PR7 rainbow gear ?

[hollow sail]

very

[signal fog]

i see, thanks

[light trail]

are these stat boosters permanent

[zinc turret]

only for 1 month till reset

[light trail]

are they worth taking if the good stuff has been bought out or should i generally stay away from them

[whole crypt]

stay away

[zinc turret]

u dont need that much parameter boost tbh arround 200 each should be enough to clear 99% of opsi content

[light trail]

aye aye

how many ports are there total in opsi btw i haven't finished the opsi "story"

[zinc turret]

4 port

[zinc turret]

finish chapter 4 asap

[light trail]

ye im on 3 something

been avoiding it because it's annoying since u have to manually input so many things

[zinc turret]

well just like normal stage campaign ,,, the early is painfull but after u clear it u can auto it and sleep

[light trail]

oh thank goodness. btw should i go for the blue mat boxes early on? assume my progress in opsi is basically 0, for reference

[zinc turret]

i think no

[opaque night]

in my experience i usually just skip them

[zinc turret]

i just buy t3 boxes

[opaque night]

thheir mats are pretty farmable anyway

[light trail]

gotcha ty

[opaque night]

anything gold i usually buy though

[tame jungle]

If you buy them now, they will be taken out of the pool (you still got the old system)

[hollow sail]

normally you don't want to buy this but since you haven't yet completed opsi story you still have the "old opsi shop", so buying them so they don't show up on next shop rotations is valid

[light trail]

so yes buy now but never again

[hollow sail]

if you clear opsi story before the end of the month you will have the new shop/system next month

[plain saffron]

For this month just buy everything rbg

*tbh

[atomic abyss]

so i've been out of the loop recently
could i get a tldr of the PR7 ships and gear

or has sam pre-eval-ed them all alr

[crimson glacier]

cat is scuffed imp and napoli is agir london and achor at the same time

[atomic abyss]

so in other words only nap is gonna be actually relevant?

[crimson glacier]

idk

[atomic abyss]

in your opinion at least

[crimson glacier]

just first impression

[late flame]

idk, started daisen since i need ijn tech

[crimson glacier]

cat needs another NP ship with slow to stop enemies

[atomic abyss]

i suppose there's kron...

or you could use her with soyuz for campaign boss fleet?

[steady beacon]

Potentially
Ton up in the air tbh

Also Kron's slow is purely cross-fleet

[whole crypt]

there's no good slow candidate for OS/META comps with her for now

[late flame]

cope for something to be released during anni (EN/JP) that will actually work with cat (Admiral Nakhimov )*

[atomic abyss]

and the golds are not notable?

[steady beacon]

The DD is very cute

[atomic abyss]

like no shimanto tier stuff or anything?

or at least, potentially shimanto tier stuff

[whole crypt]

Tallinn is like the closest but you're not going to be tanking OS/META bosses with her

[crimson glacier]

i dont see anything interesting in the golds

[atomic abyss]

so we have to wait for another russian event
...bruh

[steady beacon]

Wish granted, but not a single ship in the banner will have a slow

[shell willow]

wait her fs

[atomic abyss]

oh wait huh
nap doesn't get mgm+1 cos of the secondary huh

[whole crypt]

nah it'll be in the purple that functionally doesn't do anything else, or it'll be the gold BB that also doesn't do anything else

[plain saffron]

It's not even a real secondary

[late flame]

or SN submarine

[steady beacon]

MGM1
SGM2
And ghost secondary

[whole crypt]

what do you mean not a real secondary, Napoli has +1 secondary mount on top of special secondary

[crimson glacier]

It's not a ghost when it's on the skill

[atomic abyss]

bayard seems scuffed

[whole crypt]

turn off clearing mode if you need to kill escorts

[plain saffron]

The ghost secondary is typical secondary on cruisers

[crimson glacier]

Disable clearing mode and you can 3 star

[plain saffron]

The skill one meanwhile is a skill weapon

[steady beacon]

Wait, so you mean the terminology differs between guns and AA guns

[plain saffron]

Ghost means it's fixed on the ship

[whole crypt]

don't really recommend that mentality for AL, you'll probably start running into a wall in later chapters where hard mode is harder than the next chapter

[crimson glacier]

ghost secondary gun is something like what sandy has

[atomic abyss]

halford also seems scuffed
unless she's meant to be like a discount plymouth?

[crimson glacier]

also you can kill normal enemies and then quit hard mode

[steady beacon]

Then why is like Laffey's and Allen's skill-generated AA guns called "ghost"
Or is that just for AA guns

[plain saffron]

So here it gets confusing
Both type usually are mentioned in skill
But one are just in skill text but actually fixed on ship(ghost gun)
One is from skill and triggers by skill

[crimson glacier]

it will keep the star progress but wont use your hard mode attempt

[plain saffron]

They don't have place to put them so they put on skill desc

[steady beacon]

And so then Napoli's falls under the second category?

[plain saffron]

Yeah iirc

She still have the typical cruiser ghost gun though

[atomic abyss]

how bout gears?

heard we got a rainbow rocket?

[steady beacon]

Sam did eval for that if that helps

And ye, rainbow rocket

[whole crypt]

La-9 is better for med/heavy and replaces BFG, rocketcat still better for light

if I remember correctly it's also better than using bomb fighters against heavy, unless you need the AA to keep detection or something

[atomic abyss]

[steady beacon]

Timing is worth weeping over though

[atomic abyss]

no wonder nagami has that nick

[plain saffron]

Now you made me doubt myself

Usually ghost gun mentioned in lb right?

I need to reset my knowledge

So uhh anyway, napoli is a skill gun

[whole crypt]

most cruisers don't mention squat about ghost secondary

[atomic abyss]

^

i think it's what, just york kai?

[plain saffron]

I mean like agir and stuff

[whole crypt]

York and Drake are mentioned buff in skill

Agir I think is the only one that specifically mentions in devlevel

[spring bolt]

idk but, doens't ghost or not depend on how it behave? ghost guns have premotion, vt and after motion like real guns, and ghost AA joins the AA circle and affect the circle size/rof/damage. otherwise it's just a skill

[whole crypt]

🍝

[atomic abyss]

[crimson glacier]

ghost guns are the ones that have no mention of it anywhere

[atomic abyss]

Also I saw some people say that PR7 might be more worth than PR6 to prioritise?

[whole crypt]

eh, I'm not sure why they say 7 is better but it's all going to be after 4 anyway

I guess rocket plane good and maybe the 254 is a decent CA gun

[atomic abyss]

Something something the ships may be more relevant

At least that's what I saw here yesterday

[whole crypt]

I mean I can see Napoli working out as a good tank but I don't see how the other ships are "more relevant"

[spring bolt]

ok that makes sense
CN calls them magic gun/AA, including the built in guns for torp cruisers and ones from skills

[steady beacon]

Hehe magic
I'll prob forget the distinction again in a few days time tbh though

[whole crypt]

I forget they even exist as long as it's not mentioned in skill, they don't do very much anyway

[spring bolt]

probably the devs want you to in the first place

[plucky garnet]

Hi, where can i get this

[tawdry topaz]

limited event (ended a while ago)

[elfin hollow]

is the violet one good for R.Unicorn or the Yellow one?

[atomic abyss]

right always
left is niche in order to sync up carrier attacks

[spring bolt]

unless you really understand the environment and what you are doing, they make little difference at all

[plain saffron]

Ghost gun is usually a real gun that's fixed on the ship. Stuff like agir or any ship with special secondary gun in lb text usually just replace default ghost gun with better ones

For aa i don't really remember

Napoli is more like a skill barrage acted like a gun

Ghost gun also have efficiency like other 3 equip

[frank pulsar]

i wouldnt use left unless youre trying to stagger

[inland shoal]

Because it's an actual weapon and semi fixed

Though I think I'd still call it ghost gun if it was only let's say added every 20s for 10s, so long as it's a real weapon (and shoots more than once)

But ig calling them skill guns also makes sense because you can influence them, while ghost guns can't be influenced at all

[steady beacon]

[inland shoal]

Though then that could be confused with things like Napoli's "special secondary" which is just a barrage and not a gun at all

[kind needle]

Where should I put alsace?

[south sequoia]

Huh, does it work like sandys augment?

[inland shoal]

No, it just fires once per second

Like Ruppy's "secondary"

[inland shoal]

I guess I'd replace UvH

[elfin hollow]

priority to mlb, Vanguard or Shimakaze?

[tranquil saffron]

Wouldn't moving NJ to a different fleet and Alsace taking NJ's current position be better?

[gentle gale]

Ello, was wondering what 15-3 boss/es armor type are

[undone plover]

medium i believe

[steady beacon]

Yep, Zuihou twice, medium

[elfin hollow]

Any information about 410mm Twin for Daisen I don’t see any wiki page on it

BB gun

[plain saffron]

pins, datamine

[elfin hollow]

It one I don’t see anything on wiki. It

[inland shoal]

I don't think it makes a huge difference here, but sure, that's also an option

[undone plover]

is meta showdown progress saved for when it gets dossiered eventually?

[plain saffron]

yes

[undone plover]

[plain saffron]

i wish they don't

[whole crypt]

check datamine

[elfin hollow]

I don’t see

[wet prairie]

this one

damn ryuusei no longer top dog by like 1-2%?

[plain saffron]

😔

[tidal meteor]

The VIT-2's still like a sidegrade rather than an upgrade at least

But yeah once we get a Bearcat that swaps out its pontoons for a third Tiny Tim rocket it's so over for the Ryusei (at least until Sekiryu or her sister introduces a Ryusei Kai or something)

[plain saffron]

[steady beacon]

What did delulu do to you, Nagami

[calm rose]

now theres two delulu

[plain saffron]

[atomic abyss]

i mean i think the pfp is the delulu part but uh

let's not go there

[plain saffron]

[jaunty vault]

uruha rushia beloved

[atomic abyss]

btw regarding the VIT-2

[novel condor]

Ender n Goober elo

[atomic abyss]

1-2% isn't exactly noticeably better right?
best to treat it as another option for converging?

[plain saffron]

minmax probably

[atomic abyss]

hooray for more timing shenanigans

[plain saffron]

can't wait for some CN fleet with 6 of them them +13 used

[atomic abyss]

i mean if it desyncs you from helena enough it might not be worth anyways