gameplay-help

[whole crypt]

more rather at least up until ch13, just using 113s is going to hurt less than a poorly optimized AA setup if you didn't know what you're doing with which guns on which ships

13 hard and 15 is going to take a bit more work than that

[silk helm]

thanks that's very helpful

is it worth farming 11-4 to get more of the 113 aa gun

[soft raft]

you dont farm campaign for gear

[whole crypt]

just grind ch12 and open boxes

[silk helm]

roger roger

[vague merlin]

Is there other research data available aside from the one in azur-stats.lyoko.io?

From my experience it's still ok and I finished everything with time to spare on fs5 prints/UR gear but wondering if there's one being updated

[soft raft]

afaik no
either way no one really urgently pays attention to those

[vague merlin]

I see

[undone plover]

Do u have to click the end of battle screen to move to the next battle in SP?

[soft raft]

no (at least on auto)

[undone plover]

[mint skiff]

My team is being super outdamaged by Bismark and all of them have good gear and idk why there's such a giant gap

This is for this fight

[soft raft]

why are you using regular bismarck
Also what is Unicorn doing there

[viscid swift]

well, you're using a lot of shit ships for a start

[left cedar]

Yo, refresh my thoughs, is Montpellier reasonable gud at AA ?

[viscid swift]

to say nothing of what gear they have equipped

[atomic abyss]

because bismarck zwei is a UR
and a really good UR
unicorn aside
every other ship there has shite dps in comparison

[viscid swift]

she's average I'd say, maybe slightly above but no AA carry

[atomic abyss]

as with most US CLs, pretty decent

[mint skiff]

Wdym

[atomic abyss]

her aug definitely helped her AA prowess

[soft raft]

no im not talking about BZ
Im talking about defualt Bismarck

[left cedar]

i see, arigathanx guys

[atomic abyss]

i wasn't replying you blaster

[mint skiff]

I thought Otto was good though she's like A rank on the website

[soft raft]

oh mb

[atomic abyss]

[viscid swift]

regular Bismarck is hyst bad, Unicorn is not a damage powerhouse and the vanguard is nothing special when it comes to damage

to speak nothing of what gear they may be running

[soft raft]

if you were looking at ECTL, you clearly didnt read the guidelines enough

[atomic abyss]

otto is good, but most frontlines simply cannot compete with backlines for damage
otto isn't even that great for frontline dps anyways

[soft raft]

Otto's main schtick is being a tanky DD which isnt really valueable in META fights

[undone plover]

Also that fight needs some asw if u want to optimise the fight

[mint skiff]

So basically I just need better ships because they're just bad

[soft raft]

To put it bluntly yes

And also to a certain extent, better fleet building for META fights

[mint skiff]

Do u know any good iron blood ships I can use for vanguard then? I'm soon gonna have Ägir and I know she's broken but idk who else

[tame jungle]

first off don't use faction fleets lmfao

[atomic abyss]

meta fights can't even be grinded for exp anyways

[mint skiff]

I know building a faction fleets are bad I just wanna do it still

[tame jungle]

yeah then don't complain about them not doing damage

when it comes to faction fleets in this game you can't have your cake and eat it too

[viscid swift]

This is what a competent IB fleet for METAs looks like

[tame jungle]

(notice the 5 UR stack)

[mint skiff]

Oh I have 4 of those 6

[left cedar]

KMS is THICC ASF

[mint skiff]

Well technically 3 I almost have agir tho

[atomic abyss]

are said 4 even at dev 30 or mlb tho

[forest palm]

how does Carl's Gun Damage stack up to Emden?

[atomic abyss]

considering carl's damage comes from her skill barrage so uh

not to mention emden has the IB fp buff

[mint skiff]

So like out of these I should use Bismark Fredrich Emden (Ägir will be here soon) and who else? This is also mainly for other missions too

[atomic abyss]

honestly? nobody else

[sweet delta]

Not even fdg

[atomic abyss]

fdg isn't dev 30 so automatically shit

[mint skiff]

Well I'm getting her there

[atomic abyss]

there's no uvh

[mint skiff]

I just got her yesterday

[atomic abyss]

agir and hinden won't be dev 30 either

since you already have otto raised
i suppose otto z1 z46

[plain saffron]

if you want to play inefficiently you need high investment

that's the unfortunate reality, so imo better to play with mixed faction now, then do faction fleet later

once you got them raised and get all the good/UR gears

[fresh tangle]

Will the PR6 ships become coinable when PR7 is released?

[atomic abyss]

make a strong fleet that can carry you and allow you to grind the stuff needed to invest in your "waifu fleet"

[atomic abyss]

eventually, but not immediately

could be 6 mths later
or a year later

[plain saffron]

when there is pr7, pr5 will get coins, also few months after release

[uncut oar]

Azur Lane's story is quite literally about the factions working together in the first place

pr6 coining is a while out

[atomic abyss]

given pr5 isn't coinable, maybe another 2 years

[plain saffron]

pr7 release
pr6 fatesim + catchup on en anni
pr5 coin on cny

[fresh tangle]

Alright was wondering if since pr7 seems close that’ll change the plan for folks like me

[atomic abyss]

it won't

[fresh tangle]

Splendid 😂 thank you

[rain vine]

we dont even know what pr7 has

[eager mulch]

PR 4 > PR7

[uncut oar]

also obligatory comment about how most backlines that are missing their MLB/is literally any distance away from d30 is missing like 1/3 to 40% of their damage

[viscid swift]

just wait and see what the PR7 line up looks like first

it could be the next broken thing in this game or the most forgettable PR season yet, we don't know

[whole crypt]

just take 3-4 months to wrap up the ships and see if you need more of the UR gear
then go back for more q152s

[mint skiff]

[fresh tangle]

Was just looking like at like I can develop Brest now but don’t see her mentioned anywhere so figure that’s for a reason

[atomic abyss]

what

[soft raft]

huh
where were you looking

[keen sable]

brests are everywhere

[uncut oar]

Brest is mentioned for w14~w15 p sure??

[eager mulch]

maybe he hit the tank tag on ectl and she vanished

[atomic abyss]

horrible pun aside
yes brest is pretty commonly seen

[fresh tangle]

Yeah sorry let me clarify: haven’t seen Brest as a priority for where I’m at like Anchorage and FdG are general priorities

[silk sphinx]

Pr5 isn’t coinable yet. It will become coinable likely around February next year

[whole crypt]

Brest can't be a priority because fishing for Iris ships is a bitch

[uncut oar]

Brest is niche use too unlike ancho where she's relevant in most cases where vanguard tankiness is welcome or needed

[keen sable]

you need to pick a season not a ship and anchorage/agir/avp are in a different season from ply/brest/harbin

[atomic abyss]

because pr5 isn't coinable
pr5 doesn't have as good gear as pr4
iris tech is a pain in the ass outside french events
and because anchorage and agir can already fulfil the tank spot brest would end up filling later

also, UR means pain to upgrade

[whole crypt]

Brest isn't niche she's just another good CB tank
the problem is you can't prioritize Brest

[fresh tangle]

True I’ve only got Alsace and Dunk for vanguard

[whole crypt]

how the hell are you going to pick up Iris tech and the ships to grind her with

[atomic abyss]

alsace and dunk are backliners...

[eager mulch]

tanking is niche

[viscid swift]

what no, it's because a Dev 30 Anchorage is stupidly easy to get with catchup and coining whereas Brest is not coinable, stuck behind Iris tech, and in PR5 not PR4

[soft raft]

^

[eager mulch]

+DR

[uncut oar]

Then I'm genuinely confused or have been living under a rock because I don't actually see Brest brought up in the same contexts Ancho does.

[fresh tangle]

Sorry yeah I mean you need main fleet for exp and there’s only two I’ve got

[atomic abyss]

it's a matter of accessibility

[uncut oar]

It's probably confirmation bias due to Brest's accessibility yeah

[atomic abyss]

anchorage gets replaced later lol

[whole crypt]

Brest is great but there's no easy way to get to her as a new player
Anchorage you get plenty of ships to grind with and USS tech is easy

[atomic abyss]

if anything, anchorage is the one that becomes more niche

[uncut oar]

Okay, then for my own benefit aswell: is Brest somebody you'd bring to most places where you'd bring Ancho?

[keen sable]

just tell yourself uni loves being used and 2 backliners isn't an issue

[fresh tangle]

True I can almost develop Kearsarge. Problem is the blueprints 😂

[atomic abyss]

not to mention brest actively benefits alsace comps so

[viscid swift]

at this point more than that

[whole crypt]

for tanking in OS and campaign yes
but she won't take Anchorage's invulnerability niche in some stupid EXs

[uncut oar]

[keen sable]

again who you develop is irrelevant. what you FOCUS is important.

[jade shard]

What two BB flagships should I choose for W15 out of New Jersey/Alsace/Bismarck Zwei/Kearsarge/Soyuz? I hopefully want to clear it before Musashi rerun

[fresh tangle]

Easily my most used ship. Have to imagine that’s true for everyone or most

[silk sphinx]

The only exceptions is when anchos faction plays a role, like with the manjuu, or when there’s some antiheal where anchorage will edge her out

[uncut oar]

Wait does this mean I'm sacking ancho for brest in opsi now that I have brest at d30

[atomic abyss]

well it also depends on what carriers you're using

[patent pivot]

I swear to John I'm going to run brest instead of agir comps when I'm done to show yall what you are missing

[steady beacon]

Honestly, as paradoxical as it may sound, this has so far proven surprisingly false...

[fresh tangle]

82/150 catchup FdG with focus PR4

[atomic abyss]

who's john

[undone plover]

Are u using erebus on the second fight for event low oil?

First fight erebus dies to the black balls unless I am doing it wrong

[jade shard]

As for that, Shinano/Haku. Also Volga and Unicorn

[uncut oar]

the shikikan

[atomic abyss]

uhhhh that probably isn't gonna work...

[whole crypt]

first fight Ranger second fight Erebus
if you flip it they'll both die

[viscid swift]

I mean to be honest, not much has really been proven in that regard

[undone plover]

Thanks

[sweet delta]

Pick any two highest level that's not kearsarge

[whole crypt]

if you don't deck out the Mahans and Ranger first fight might be unstable, second fight might be a problem if your barrage procs get really awful, but I used a 457 as well so...

[patent pivot]

~~he doesnt know who John is ~~

[undone plover]

Also do u do any retro nodes on the mahans and ranger?

[whole crypt]

they can only take the first retro node I think, which is only HP off the top of my head

[sweet delta]

Costs like nothing

[jade shard]

They are all 125. Guess I will just choose waifu for once

[silk sphinx]

You can do a couple but

Couple meaning two here

[whole crypt]

if you count 2 as "a couple" yeh

[patent pivot]

Also what are you talking about? Mog comps have proven to be in absolute best case scenario sidegrades and I have data on how important gayir slow is. Not to mention actual brest runs from pilica and I.

[sweet delta]

Doesn't couple mean two technically?

[whole crypt]

I definitely did them, anything to make the low cost runs more consistent

[uncut oar]

also, I believe I asked this before, but I'll ask again and jot down the answer this time: if I wanna not go back for more Tenrais until it gets gearlabbed, how many would you be comfortable with? before shifting gears to q152 farming (after being caught up with pr7)

[vale spindle]

means 2-3 range ish right...

[undone plover]

I wasnt sure if the lock was due to lb or cuz I hadnt done any node yet
Thanks for clearing it up

[whole crypt]

by the noun couple yes it's 2

[silk sphinx]

Language is alive, and the modern vernacular uses it for small but greater than two quantities as well, as you already know

[uncut oar]

I usually conceptualize someone saying "a couple of" as 2~4, just some random small number

[fresh tangle]

Should I dump bulins into Javelin for starter squad? Is Ayanami worth it?

[silk sphinx]

Heck, I know that even the Oxford dictionary has adopted certain terms that are essentially bastardizations of Japanese terms

[viscid swift]

I'm mainly reffering to the last response you gave me when I questioned it

The results I genuinely didn't even understand what it was even saying but I didn't want to disturb you further at the time

[uncut oar]

ayaya manual only

[whole crypt]

just go look up the dictionary this isn't gph material

[undone plover]

Not really. Your starter dd only
U can do the others later for collection but not a high prio

[patent pivot]

please question it I'm in the car for another 10 hours

[uncut oar]

here have a question v.v

[silk sphinx]

Gayir slow?

[forest palm]

doesn't the beginner missions want you do to something with the starters

[fresh tangle]

Alright will hold off. Got beaver badge the other day and was wondering if anything else I should go out of my way to grab

[silk sphinx]

2-3. Two is enough like the vast majority of the time

[whole crypt]

rookie missions definitely want you to level and retrofit at least 1 starter

[patent pivot]

There is all the data shit

[fresh tangle]

Retrofit and mlb one of them

[steady beacon]

Most people tend to be fine with 2, 3 max
It'd be a truly bizarre scenario where you find yourself needing more

[uncut oar]

[silk sphinx]

I’ve never needed more than three, and usually two is enough

[uncut oar]

in that case I think it probably is fine to just wait for gearlab, I have the standard 2 already anyways

what about q152 then? how many would you be looking at?

[whole crypt]

I need 4 because 2 are always taken up by Saratoga

[viscid swift]

okay so I guess first things first, remind which torps did you use on Agir again?

the one you had with no reload tech but gold burn on her

[silk sphinx]

Lel 5 or six

[patent pivot]

Trip mag

[uncut oar]

okay so when in doubt, catch up on q152s

[undone plover]

The elite maintenance manju is worth
Needs the yorktown class (hornet, yorktown enty)
All of them also give good tech at 120 so def worth

Sushi I will never learn the name of these 2 aux

[steady beacon]

Def ye
Ply gun is just too in demand

[viscid swift]

I think it was the twin 550s and and a quad but I don't think it was really clear which

[whole crypt]

triple mag is the only thing that hits with any consistency and has the right reload time on Agir

[uncut oar]

yeah that's fair, tenrai's good but literally your backline is already 3 plyguns for the most part

[steady beacon]

Wait, don't confuse the Elite Aviation Manjuu and the Eagle Union Elite Damage Control

[silk sphinx]

What is gayir slow?

[uncut oar]

(in a timeline where you have infinite plyguns)

[whole crypt]

I'm still waiting on my 8th q152

[steady beacon]

Slow tied to Agir torps
Yahoo's nickname

[patent pivot]

For the big data sheet it was trip mag and no goldburn, for the small it was w/goldburn

[uncut oar]

last question for now, anything weird at all for Brest gearing?

[silk sphinx]

Just a piece of iris gear

[sweet delta]

Only if AA is needed

[whole crypt]

not having Iris gear doesn't break her anyway

[uncut oar]

I'll just throw a trashcan on her and forget about it then, considering it'll be wanted for 14/15

[viscid swift]

so I guess my doubts come down to this
how much extra reload do you need to actually be able to make it work
how consistent are the results with the various different set ups because some of the torps used weren't magentic
and 3rd, just to clarify, which volleys of the BBs hit when Agir's slow was active on the boss assuming the torps hit to get and idea of just how many salvos she's affecting

[steady beacon]

Is the crux of the argument that Agir should be replaced
Or is this solely debating the efficacy of her slow

[viscid swift]

I say all of this because when I was using Agir, I eventually just opted out of bothering to use the slow entirely because it wasn't doing anything for a majoirty of my BB salvos

[viscid swift]

kind of both, Agir being relaced is the debate but it's really comming down to if her slow is useful with typical set ups

[patent pivot]

I abonded my last test with brest because the results were so disappointing

I'll run them again with new setups when I'm out of this metal box

[viscid swift]

I'm not doubting Agir can be better, it's just that based on past experiences you need a lot of tech to make it work so I'm not fully sold on the Agir > Brest with Alsace debate still in all scenarios

[patent pivot]

What tech?

[viscid swift]

reload tech mainly

and also oathing as well to bump her reload stat up just that bit more

[whole crypt]

my conclusion was boss dies anyway just roll a dice which CB to use

[viscid swift]

I also don't think Gold Burn should be used as a crux for this either given it is an collab limited aux

[steady beacon]

Honestly, if the question is Agir --> Brest for the purpose of enabling Alsace
Every single piece of evidence presented to me so far leads to one single conclusion: irrespective of whether the slow works, the substitution is simply poor
Of course, I would be happy to receive any evidence to the contrary

[viscid swift]

I guess my question would be then what led you to come to that conclusion and why is Brest a poor substituion

[silk sphinx]

Even if it is a collab limited aux, it’s been obtainable twice and very easily at that… most URs to date used currently were only obtainable in one single event

[plain saffron]

what about players who plays after the collab

[rapid grail]

am i hearing goldburn slander

[patent pivot]

I can't run full BB tech because that kills

Perhaps the month of testing that has been going on

[viscid swift]

because if you take away Agir's slow, then all you have is her AB which just on paper anyway looks straight up worse for single target than Alsace's debuff being perma and the damage difference between the 2 is in Brest's favor

[steady beacon]

For me specifically, testing both against Repulse and Hermit
Taken together with Yahoo's tests against Scharnhorst META
And finally Rice's current tests against Wichita
In every single case, the performance of Brest comps has simply been poorer

[patent pivot]

Single target I disagree

[whole crypt]

who bothers adjusting tech outside of showdowns and maybe CM

[viscid swift]

how so?

[patent pivot]

Most shit fires at 20s mark which is alr inside debuff window. The main thing that gets buffed is vg guns and even then it's like 50% or so

[steady beacon]

If you want me to explain WHY it's poorer, I can only speculate given the number of factors in play, but that is simply what the results show

[rapid grail]

what content is this discussion for

[patent pivot]

Med single target

Assuming no funky modifiers

[whole crypt]

@steady beacon today's META is 4/5 oneshots yeh I'm not bothering changing comps anymore

[steady beacon]

Rn I can't make the Alsace comp better than Implacable myself (prob bc only 1 +13 Mk 7)
So thanks for providing data for that

[uncut oar]

It's not goldburn slander as much as debating about agir slow and whether or not goldburn as collab aux can reasonably be expected to be a factor for everyone

[steady beacon]

Much appreciated

[viscid swift]

I don't wanna come across as obtuse in this but I really want to make sure it known why exactly Agir is doing better in the testing that has been done so that we don't necessarily recc a comp that's worse for some or even a majority

[patent pivot]

My first set of tests was with no FP tech and brest was far worse then, this 2nd batch was full FP tech and mog comps were at best sidegrades and only in comps designed to use the full uptime

FP tech is not a factor here

[viscid swift]

I'm not doubting that here

[patent pivot]

So is it just RLD tech that has you spooked?

[viscid swift]

yes

just reload tech and Gold burn that I really want to make sure isn't the deciding factor here

[plain saffron]

🍿

[viscid swift]

and if so what necessarily are the break points

[steady beacon]

I mean, all the occasions of my Agir use testing against Arbiters have been triple mags no Goldburn and the slow basically is a non-factor
Based on Rice's remarks, his use of Agir vs Wichita also is not set to support the BBs (since he's moved to using quint mags, but even then I'm pretty sure he was not using Goldburn)
Quite simply, Agir being superior to Brest is not about the slow, useful though it is if you want to make it work

[viscid swift]

well Yahoo has been saying that's been a key part of the difference in his testing anyway

[patent pivot]

I'll run tests with tests, but perhaps my zeal for the slow has misled

I think it is underrated

[viscid swift]

so that's sort of why I'm focuing on that

[steady beacon]

I mean, if you can make it work without some kind of compromise then it is obviously a very good thing

[viscid swift]

I'm not saying it can't be very useful, the issue has always been how much extra tech you need to get much out of it

[patent pivot]

I think most people brush it off as insignificant but it is a juicy chunk of potential buff. However I don't think it is absolutely key

[rapid grail]

🍿

[viscid swift]

so the question then becomes, what is the key here necessarily

[vale spindle]

Agir was used more for armor break

[sweet delta]

The slow is useless because scharnm is stopped on second and third salvos, and even if the boss is moving and Bisz fires second, only the third BB's third volley per salvo can benefit from slow

[whole crypt]

we so very often look for stop windows that slow is like the biggest non-factor, even if you account for shooting before blackhole holds in place

[patent pivot]

In the best comp I've tested the only one who even cares about gayir slow is alsace

Her preload and first salvo will always miss BiZ's hole

[whole crypt]

getting Agir's torps to slow for Alsace's preload is also kind of cope

[patent pivot]

She can hit them by 2nd or 3rd volley and her Barrage mostly is pretty slow

Can provide a shockingly large difference if they hit

[viscid swift]

I don't think anyone where is disputing that

[steady beacon]

Well, if you want my opinion (which I can't definitively prove simply for the reason I mentioned above, that there are too many factors in play to be 100% certain what is actually the reason)...
The best I can see is that Agir being able to keep armour break up for at least a good portion of the fight, if not nearly the whole fight together with Alsace being able to keep her 12% up for about 60%ish of the fight (depending on her equipped guns), including the most important intervals when damage is actually being done is more valuable than no armour break and a permanent debuff

[viscid swift]

remind me again, what was the firing order of Zwei, Alsace, and Soyuz in your tests again?

[patent pivot]

Also the gayir AB buffs VG dmg so you really only gain like 4% to VG gun dmg

For which comp

[viscid swift]

all of them I guess

[patent pivot]

They all have different firing orders, that's what I was testing

[viscid swift]

so just about every practical combination then of Flandre, Soyuz, and Champaign guns

[patent pivot]

You want me to list every possible firing order??

[viscid swift]

no I think we would be here forever if that were the case

that's enough to give me food for thought

[steady beacon]

They all have different firing orders that aren't even consistent and can swap between rotations sometimes

[patent pivot]

The best* was flangun alsace -> soygun BiZ -> champgun Soy
*mean

[viscid swift]

yeah I suspected as much

[rapid grail]

how many flandre guns do ppl want to enhance to +13? two of them?

[sweet delta]

But is it max rld tech

[patent pivot]

All because those bastards didn't give als a god damn rld buff

Those tests were actually 0rld tech, full would kill

[sweet delta]

How does rld affect kill or not if you're not even doing fourth salvo

[patent pivot]

They would get first volley of 4th which would kill

[steady beacon]

Well, all I can say is I'm currently happy with 1
The very notion of 2 is a prospect far in the future given the abysmal state of my gun plates

[rapid grail]

just a thought i had in mind; i am currently eyeing to finish my plane +13 backlog

[sweet delta]

At 10 seconds?

[patent pivot]

No these till battle end

So much easier to grab data from

[sweet delta]

You let the battle finish?

[patent pivot]

Also much easier for consistency for when running exotic comps

[steady beacon]

Ye I'd finish planes if I were you
All the BB agony I've been through so far has shown one thing: the improvement gained from finessing the precise correct firing order is a tedious min-max with slight returns at best and near-zero at worst

[little plinth]

is there a guide for current meta fight?

[patent pivot]

Dual champgun having a 25% chance to do drugs and absolutely demolish the #1 comp

[steady beacon]

I should have one prepared soon ™️
But I can try and recommend a comp in the meantime if you're looking for one

[wary timber]

Is the XSB3C-1 actually better than the SB2C or is their performance extremely similar ?

[viscid swift]

and of course, all of what we're saying right now could be made irrelevant inb 2 weeks

[sweet delta]

So all this testing was just inapplicable to normal metashowdown minmaxing because it threw away the fourth salvo entirelly

[little plinth]

yeah if you don't mind, I'm on little enty so I don't have some stuff like vanguard/musashi etc but have most other relevant ships I think?

[atomic abyss]

ever so slightly better
but extremely not worth the mats used

[viscid swift]

if you don't enhance them +10 the difference is gold diver gives 20 more AVI

[forest palm]

it's only better if you + 13 it, which considering all the mats, no

[sweet delta]

Only 2% better for the carrier, not worth

[patent pivot]

???

Is extrapolating to 4 salvos impossible

[rapid grail]

soyuz alsace biszwei would be the lil E's best bet for backline for now. as for frontline, i am not sure and these people know more

[sweet delta]

Yes

[little plinth]

maybe plymouth/guam +1? helena?

[atomic abyss]

best currently would be like

kearsage yk2 impla harbin/ply sirius helena

[plain saffron]

does it still kill on 4 with the modifications

[hard mesa]

is this test about BB fleet on wichita?

[little plinth]

unfortunately no yk2/impla because lil enty

at least i don't think impla is available on lil enty?

[steady beacon]

Nah, Lil E started after

[atomic abyss]

so yeah triple BB then
since you won't have HVARs

[rapid grail]

implac was before lil Enty started, BisZwei was your server's first UR

[little plinth]

ok that's what I thought, I think i started playing a week into the server's release lol

[forest palm]

pretty sure you can use BF - 109Gs to less effect, but still good results

[steady beacon]

... Good Lord, I didn't even think to factor that in yet... thanks for reminding me
So even in the Kear comp, you can't even use HVARcats...

VF-17s it is
Let me try and get something for that working...

[viscid swift]

so just triple UR BB and Mk6s for a budget comp then

[steady beacon]

Ngl, I'm almost more inclined to follow Faer's footsteps and recommend AvP/Enty/Kear
Because everything so far has suggested the fewer screenclears you carry, the greater chance of your vanguard prematurely dying at random

[signal pollen]

is the best meta unit to investigate off siren helena?

[viscid swift]

maybe, it doesn't matter too much which you choose though

[signal pollen]

ok thanks

[viscid swift]

they're all in the same boat of being decent but outclassed and taking a relatively long time to work up

[slender heart]

Is this for the guide?

[steady beacon]

Ye

[slender heart]

Agree then

[rapid grail]

that seems pretty consistent at 75pts support fights

[steady beacon]

Oh jeez...
No crystal ice bomb...
VH it is I guess

[rapid grail]

i presume beaver would be worse overall against WichiM because chains right

[slender heart]

Worse compared to what?

[steady beacon]

An evasion aux that doesn't increase speed

Hence why I've ben using Crystal Ice Bomb on Agir
But that was Ryza collab, pre-LE

[slender heart]

Then yes again lol

[uncut oar]

What was this for again? Wichita?

[steady beacon]

First two are triple BB comps (I still haven't come to a conclusion myself as to which vanguard is better just yet), note that the first one is copied from elsewhere (so there is an HVAR and AFCT that you won't have, use the substitutions in the second comp) while I just arranged the second comp just then
In terms of equipment, use Mk 6s in place of any Mk 7s not available (order of substitution: Alsace, Kearsarge, Bismarck), your best CL guns if no Ply guns, etc. Obviously, the more +13s you have the better.
For the third comp, it's a bit of a budget attempt to copy what I personally feel is the best meta comp at present (probably only because I have 5 +13 HVARcats ). It assumes CV 40 RLD, BBV 10 RLD, so you may have to tweak a bit depending on your available equipment and tech. Note that the damage control may need to be swapped depending on how long Laffey survives on average, because if she has a penchant for collapsing too early, then Helena becomes extremely vulnerable, so then swap the RPG aux and damage control between them
Ofc some refinements and additional substitutions are possible... lmk if you have any additional questions

Also, fair warning, the third comp is probably going to need a fair bit of luck to kill
Whereas the problem with the BB comps is your vanguard may have trouble surviving
The bottom line is Wichita is bloody difficult, and we can so far only manage probabilistic kills with the very best comps available, so it's definitely a tall order for what is available on Little E

[slender heart]

Sensei. Why VF-17 instead of tigercat on kear?

[steady beacon]

Because Bismarck is too damn fast

[vestal thistle]

Where is best to farm exp

[cobalt rapids]

W12+

[viscid swift]

W12

[vestal thistle]

What nod

[cobalt rapids]

Any

[vestal thistle]

? Difference?

[eager mulch]

negligible

[steady beacon]

That's one reason why the HVARcat is pre amazing bc it saves like a whole second for payload delivery compared to any bomb fighter

[cobalt rapids]

Higher stage is slightly more coins for slightly less xp/cogs

[steady beacon]

(And even then it's usually too slow for Bismarck anyway )

[vestal thistle]

Is lv120 enough for w12?

[sweet delta]

Enough for 13 comfortably

[soft raft]

overkill for W12 where the enmies are a good 10 lvls below that

[vestal thistle]

How far can this alone go

[sweet delta]

Onefleeting is not the play

[vestal thistle]

Why

[viscid swift]

why are you using maxed ships for farming

[vestal thistle]

I just want to unlock w12 first

[viscid swift]

still run 2 fleets, one fleeting is more hassle than it's worth at this stage

[vestal thistle]

Almost 80 percent of roon second xp then finally agir

[vestal thistle]

OK but why

[viscid swift]

because you'll have to fight bosses without ammo

[atomic abyss]

which means you suffer 50% dmg penalty

[viscid swift]

expenentially increasing the difficulty of clearing

[atomic abyss]

and on w12 bosses
that's gonna make the difference

[vestal thistle]

How many rounds till w12 bosses appear?

[atomic abyss]

6

[vestal thistle]

So I need 2nd to survive just 2

[viscid swift]

not necesaarily, but it will be a lot smoother of a clear

[undone plover]

also make sure u change that single line to double line
or circle in ch12 and 13

[hushed cliff]

My CL gun lineup fucking sucks what should I give to Mainz while I work on getting something better

[little plinth]

just saw this, will go through it; ty!

[atomic abyss]

use the twin 150mm

[vestal thistle]

Question irl have a nation captured and reused a former foe warship?

[viscid swift]

yes

but #history would be a better place to ask that

[cobalt rapids]

What is ur no oath michita fleet

[viscid swift]

I'm trying this out for the next few days

with some adjustments of course

[cobalt rapids]

Arigato

[hallow iron]

Both ca and CL uses washing machine late game?

[sweet delta]

🌊 why asking for no oath?

[viscid swift]

yes of course

[atomic abyss]

yes

[sweet delta]

Mid game and early game too as soon as you get them

[hallow iron]

I got one recently, I'm guesing tank should have priority for that

[cobalt rapids]

Because i can replicate those

[undone plover]

would laff2 not be better than agir here?

[sweet delta]

The cruiser who wants to survive for longer

[viscid swift]

Agir is providing Armor Break among other things

and she's been pretty good at surviving thus far so I feel no need to change her for Laffey 2

[undone plover]

would laff2 aa debuff stack with yorkii?

[steady beacon]

It does ye

[hushed cliff]

why can’t they just be cool and let her use a DD gun I have lots of good ones

[undone plover]

aha i see my guam doesnt survive much but it is probably gear diff

[sweet delta]

Don't use mainz then

[atomic abyss]

considering that the best poverty CL gun is purple...

[viscid swift]

+13 Rudder and Crystal Ice Bomb do help with that

[atomic abyss]

and you have far more of the 2nd best, the triple 155

[steady beacon]

Agir honestly seems to be the most consistent main tank I've seen up to now
Which does kinda make me wonder why one of the CN BB comps went Laffey/Harbin, that being the one that Kirakona tested (although I haven't checked back to see if they've changed their minds)

[polar venture]

Are subs worth leveling?

[atomic abyss]

not a high prio, but yes, eventually

[heady pier]

is there a way to know whats the upcoming ships for medal shop? im in amagi and we didnt see any CV ships at least 6 months for now i bought the illu skin and really hopin for to see her there lol

[rain vine]

nope

[viscid swift]

nope, it's cmpletely rng

[inland shoal]

Well with double CA you won't see CA again next month. but other than that...

[undone plover]

if u still have the rookie missions lusty is also a choice there but after 6 months I would hope u dont have that mission left

[silk helm]

u can buy her with core data i think

[keen sable]

i still have mine after almost 6 years...

[heady pier]

yea i think i got either san diego or hood iirc and i didnt play for 6 months 1 month at best now but i saw the medal shop history from the wiki

[silk helm]

wait that might be illustrious u

[heady pier]

yeah not the default illu on the shop rn

probably muse or sth

lets hope for cv rng this month reset

[forest palm]

to raise ships, or wait for PR7?

what's ya'll's feeling on this

[heady pier]

i have 1600 core data should i get independance?

[forest palm]

what else have you previously purchased from the CD Shop

[heady pier]

only typ1 armor pierce

[viscid swift]

I'm continuing to raise ships as normal

[forest palm]

would say buy the SHS, before that, but that's me

[viscid swift]

only thing I've done is reserve my last 3 good Italian tech ships for the DR CA

[heady pier]

thats the heavy shell right?

[forest palm]

here I've raised 71% of the RN ships, and have ones with questionable tech leftover

[silk helm]

wait someone said u need 3x of black and white one before indep

[tame jungle]

ye that's a good starting point

[forest palm]

yup

[silk helm]

no indep for a while for me

[heady pier]

so its 6x800 before the indep

[silk helm]

i guess that's optimal

[heady pier]

well its fine by me ig i can do that but will take a good time

[sweet delta]

hard disagree with 6 shells before independence

[silk helm]

more or less u think

[sweet delta]

maybe 4 at most unless you hate independence

use your hsfcr from research

[inland shoal]

I agree with this notion

Doubt you'll use many BBs early on anyway

[silk helm]

hsfcr?

[stark quiver]

Fire control radar

[inland shoal]

High standard fire control radar

[silk helm]

ohhh okay

[undone plover]

tbh u use shell + radar in 90% of content

[tame jungle]

(shell being white shell i presume)

[forest palm]

the thing is...sometimes you use T1, or SHS depending on the fight, we predominantly use T1, but SHS does pop up

[stark quiver]

yea

[undone plover]

I still havent received a clear answer on this but I use white shell personally

[silk helm]

what worlds do u use fire extinguisher

[stark quiver]

chapter 10

[tame jungle]

feel like hit stat just too important, esp when you got the insane amount of firepower of modern bbs

[forest palm]

10 + 11

Fire Extinguisher kind of can function from like 7 ~ 11

[stark quiver]

most of the time i just run white shell + hsfcr unless anything specifically needs else

[silk helm]

fire ex not needed after 11?

[tame jungle]

nope

[silk helm]

when do ppl use the black shell then?

[tame jungle]

in combination with white shell

and when survivability not the issue

[silk helm]

ohhh okay

[forest palm]

if a BB has good enough hit you can trade off for more crit rate, rather than crit damage, and hit from Type 1

so there's uses for SHS + HSFCR, and T1 + HSFCR

[zinc turret]

lol i never use fire ex but at w10 i realise my main fleet get pretty fatal damage sometimes when i face 3* battleship special enemy

[viscid swift]

sometimes you also use both

[zinc turret]

is that what fire ex for ?

[forest palm]

in this day, and age you shouldn't need Fire Extinguishers, there's too much power creep in the ship pool lol

like back then when they didn't shuffle the stats, and give use level cap past 100 sure

[viscid swift]

it's for making sure yue your ships don't get burned to a crisp by enemy BBs that spam HE at you

which happens quite a bit in W11

[zinc turret]

i see the enemy bb also can target main fleet directly

[viscid swift]

yes

[forest palm]

a common occurrence

[zinc turret]

well sadly there only rare fire ex imagine there is rainbow fire ex

[forest palm]

probably still wouldn't need it

[tame jungle]

with modern dmg output? lmao

[stark quiver]

unless the enemy has a flamethrower, rainbow fire ex wont be needed

[forest palm]

it would probably replace the tool kit, but ya...unnecessary

[silk helm]

Do I need to do this level

[zinc turret]

yeah , but u can just do random click till pb offer u help

and she will clear the puzzle

[silk helm]

I just want to get to chap 3 man...

[keen sable]

quit going into srf's then...

[tame jungle]

lock in

[silk helm]

What's a srf and how do I avoid it lol

[tame jungle]

it says siren research facility

and you avoid it by not going into it

[silk helm]

Okay ty

[zinc turret]

Ok soo i hear quad mag torp are good and i dont have the gold one backthen so i upgrade the purple quad mag , and now i realise i cant craft gold quad mag with purple quad mag ... what should i do with the purple quad mag then ?

[elfin hollow]

Thus Iron blood have a good Destroyer like Shimikaze or Laffey II?

[stark quiver]

they dont have a UR dd, but theres otto, which isnt half bad

[slender heart]

You can replace it if you have the gold one

[steady beacon]

They have good DDs
But none that are "like" either Shima or Laffey, arguably

[elfin hollow]

Felix or otto?

[zinc turret]

and scrap the purple ?

[steady beacon]

Ye those are two good bets

[elfin hollow]

who's the good meatshield

[viscid swift]

why a DD to tank specifically

[slender heart]

Let someone else take it

[elfin hollow]

i dont know i like to run my team like 1 and 1 in events

like 1 in back 1 in front 😂

[polar venture]

Where on the tierlist would alvitr be?

[viscid swift]

Unicorn and a DDG is enough to 1:1 clear all event stages

[stark quiver]

around the middle of it, fyi she isnt good

[elfin hollow]

i'm way too cheap when it comes to oil

[knotty dome]

how does tai yuan compare to the other 2?

[inland shoal]

Bit more dmg

[stark quiver]

shes good

[knotty dome]

thanks

[sweet delta]

changchun is best when there are enough NP/DE, otherwise anshan is best in nonfull fleet, otherwise taiyuan is best

[silk helm]

is that assuming retrofit?

[stark quiver]

always

[knotty dome]

what makes an shan particulalry better in non full fleet?

[sweet delta]

theyre all bad without retrofit...

[silk helm]

okay ty

[sweet delta]

because taiyuan requires 6 ship fleet

[knotty dome]

oh right ok

[keen sable]

i don't see why you would but if it bothers you that you did it then go ahead

[zinc turret]

Just why they wont let me craft gold quad mag with purple quad mag

[keen sable]

just go shove it on some elite meta. bad gear for bad ship and neither takes up space

[keen sable]

because it must be T3 or maybe T0?

[slender heart]

gold quad mag wants the triple mag

[zinc turret]

[slender heart]

Dew it

[keen sable]

See the T2. means it's bad.

whereas the T3 triple mag makes clear tradeoffs and is actually a reasonable beginner torp if you refuse to use T3 purple quads

[heady pier]

can someone help me with team and gears i got pretty much decent stuffs ig but i dont know how to use them properly

[slender heart]

Open a thread

[zinc turret]

i see

[elfin hollow]

so DDGs are so so good at all?

[polar venture]

Is there a way to auto select ships when retiring?

How?????

[keen sable]

Quick Retire. Gear icon to try to make it behave how you want

[polar venture]

Quick retire doesn't do anything

[slender heart]

You set it first

[keen sable]

Gear icon

[supple cedar]

Are Meta Ships better in meta showdown or is there no difference?

[viscid swift]

no difference

[keen sable]

good ships are determinable. anti meta skills have not been forgotten

[viscid swift]

well, barring one exception that's not available currently

[supple cedar]

Is there any ship you recommend?

This is the fleet I use any boss lv 12 and under I could defeat

[viscid swift]

there's a lot of improvements you can make

[keen sable]

meta? no. they're free. just get them all.

[slender heart]

Yamashiro

[viscid swift]

and the fleet depends on which META showdown

[keen sable]

press auto, accept 200 oil cost per kill

[worldly pewter]

what is that meme fleet for ?

[polar venture]

Prinz Heinrich is pretty good?

[grizzled sun]

What’s the best way to farm this events points?

[keen sable]

coalition hard however many times you need. say 30 runs

beginning, end, spread out doesn't matter

auto repeat x5 twice a day is plenty

[ivory crown]

who do i replace with for alsace

[keen sable]

hood

[left cedar]

inb4, check if its MLB

[ivory crown]

my alsace is mlb yes

[polar venture]

What is a CL's job in a team I don't understand

[forest palm]

there's no singular job for any hull type

[worldly pewter]

buff/debuff/off tank

[inner delta]

that's like other hull too

[signal pollen]

Can I get a recommendation for a tank for the Washington and south dakota boss fight?

[undone plover]

Is yat sen the only viable CL tank?
And ply maybe?

[forest palm]

plymouth yes, there's sandy, noshiro, and luigi

Neptune

Mainz

[undone plover]

is luigi abruzzi?

ic ic good to know

[forest palm]

there's plenty of tank CL, just a matter of framing

[ivory crown]

with this roster can i beat the extreme challenge?

[hot bobcat]

Ok, i opened a bunch of T3 and T4 boxes mostly eagle tech i think and im trying to work on my fleet 1 (portland, hood, unicorn, enterprise, helena, and laffey)

What should i swap out

[silk helm]

/equipment has the most detail

but i think the 406 gun and the quad torps r pretty good but u should cross ref the guide

[worldly pewter]

do u combine the blues into purples ?

[hot bobcat]

Yes, i combine all my t1 and t2 to t3's

[sweet delta]

south dakota and washington? you won't beat the hard difficulty

[worldly pewter]

what u got there is the purple radar triple mk6 and the quad torpedo

[hot bobcat]

So triple mk6 and quad torpedo are the good ones to swap out

[sweet delta]

purple quad torpedo are the worst of the ok torps

depends on what you have

[hot bobcat]

Oh okay

[undone plover]

depends what u have on them already tbh but mostly yeah
if u got the current event torpedo use your plates for that first

[sweet delta]

purple triple magnetic are better than quad nonmagnetic too

[hot bobcat]

I have helena and laffey that use the torpedos in fleet 1

[sweet delta]

Helena using torpedoes?

[worldly pewter]

[heavy gyro]

is it better to generally use 2 battleships and 1 carrier or 2 carriers and 1 battleship? or does it depend entirely on the stage youre doing?

[inland shoal]

How is this the second time I have read this within a week?

[sweet delta]

it depend entirely on the stage youre doing?

[inland shoal]

Depends on the stage, but most of the time in campaign 1BB 2 CV tends to work well

[hot bobcat]

Nevermind just laffey

Sry, just got out the farm and my brain is fried

This is what i have for laffey currently

[worldly pewter]

that gear is kinda

u didn't assist the cn anni a month ago ?

[silk helm]

is that bad poverty gear?

[sweet delta]

Recommend retrofitting Portland and unicorn before laffey

The quad torp would be a very small upgrade over purple quint, so I wouldn't bother enhancing it to take over for now

[worldly pewter]

aside from the med kits the other parts are kinda not good

[sweet delta]

The gun is unfortunate but we don't know what else you have

[hot bobcat]

I started june 7th this year...

[keen sable]

i know they have a better gun...

[worldly pewter]

i guess it can't be helped then
as long as u have ur backline doing the damage u should be fine

[hot bobcat]

This is all i have

[keen sable]

maybe they used non conflicting bp

it's on I-58

[keen sable]

beat it no. steal the chips yes

[worldly pewter]

izi fix grab the gun on the sub and put it on laffey

[hot bobcat]

Wait, which sub?😭

[keen sable]

@hot bobcat

[hot bobcat]

Oh

Got it. Thx

[keen sable]

someone needs to fix your gear. or at least encourage you to try to take a step forward.

[manic timber]

Witchita meta squad pls

[hot bobcat]

Im trying... but the rng has not been on my side

[keen sable]

This is all i have

[echo nexus]

i have enough materials to make one rainbow gear in the gear lab, what would be the best one to go for?
stuck on deciding since there’s multiple good options i could go for
the only one i dont think i’d need is the 406mm mk7 gun cause i have two of them from the event

[ivory crown]

what would work for just easy

thats my goal rn, i tried my usual boss fleet a while ago and it didnt work

[viscid swift]

how many wey wyverns do you have?

[echo nexus]

none yet

[viscid swift]

get a wyvern first then

[echo nexus]

alright, tysm

[sweet delta]

saratoga enterprise taihou roon helena javelin

[signal pollen]

how do i get energy storage in siren op?

[sweet delta]

just play

theyre like quick finishers, youll have far more than you need

[signal pollen]

ok thank you

[candid meteor]

around how long does it take for event shp to be added to perm pool after their rerun?

[soft raft]

roughly a year

not exactly a year since rerun, mind you, just a year in general

[candid meteor]

so if a rerun occured in march 2023, it owuld problably be permed sometime in 2024? is that correct

[light trail]

would i be an idiot if i got 4 of each auxiliary shell from the core shop

[viscid swift]

no

archiving time on averge is closer to a year and a half after the rerun

and that's without factoring in some immense changes the WA schedule has been out through as of late

almost everything for the 8 months or so has been done out of order

[hot bobcat]

Soooo is this overkill?

[cobalt rapids]

Consider if u need the 4 th pair
Consider if the 4th pair brings u any benefits over other coredata prios
3 pairs is usually max u use at a time unless u run 4 bb campaign
Anything above is luxury

[cobalt rapids]

Is what overkill

[hot bobcat]

That being lvl 9 while rest is lvl 4

[cobalt rapids]

Underlvled skills are underkill

[viscid swift]

no, you want to eventually max all the skills of ships you'll be using

[hot bobcat]

Ok good cause i want her to keep my vanguard alive as long as possible

Sooo would it be best to use really fast planes even if they're weak for more heals?

[cobalt rapids]

First of all dead things dont deal dmg
2nd faster planes dont necessarily mean more heals

[hot bobcat]

Darn

[cerulean zodiac]

where is the tech academy so i can complete research projects

[cobalt rapids]

Lab>research academy

Or just quick access menu on the left from main screen

[ocean fiber]

I just finish the first area of operation siren, but It won’t unlock the second area, do I have to fight each zone 5 times to unlock the second section of operation siren?

[cobalt rapids]

Follow what information tab says

[ocean fiber]

You mean this?

[cobalt rapids]

This in story progress tab

Go into a zone and press Information

[ocean fiber]

Like that?

[cobalt rapids]

Yea

[ocean fiber]

So I have only one mission left then

[keen sable]

for chapter 1...

[eager mulch]

so powerful

[stark quiver]

is 7 max?

[sweet delta]

How is opsi power calculated?

[cobalt rapids]

For powe thingy? Ye

[light trail]

gotcha, thanks

[stark quiver]

do people even pay attention to that

[light trail]

what's the best way to level subs? just auto sub on when grinding 12-4 or similar stage?

[forest palm]

just use them, dorm them, book'em

[cobalt rapids]

Till max aff then book/dorm

[sweet delta]

Exp packs

[meager gyro]

who do i give this to?

im years away from drake and azuma

[keen sable]

no one

[meager gyro]

why that

[keen sable]

because you will need it in 2 years for something else

[hollow gust]

[undone plover]

in my opinion convert it to FdG blueprints then analyze for protocore
then use that protocore to buy champy gun or tenrai blueprints

[hollow gust]

when you convert it , you are forced to start with prints

[undone plover]

she is dev30 tho

he can analyze immediately

[worldly pewter]

he won't understand anything from this

the fact that he vanished like salt in water tells u that

[forest palm]

I've just choosen to ignore them

[elfin hollow]

Alvitr worth pulling?

[soft raft]

realistically only for collection/tech

[elfin hollow]

That's sad

Anyone interesting in the event banner even? Might just save up my cubes

[stark quiver]

no, save if you dont have alot

[inland shoal]

I mean "interesting" sure, good no, this banner is just like the event format

[little tree]

as FTP is it worth getting more slots for skill training?

[inland shoal]

No

[little tree]

got it.

[inland shoal]

Even as p2"w" I'm not rly that happy with my purchase

[keen sable]

fair point

[little tree]

Why does Second Dorm floor say it does nothing but when you buy it you get 3 Extra Morale Recovery slots?

[keen sable]

it's correct ||from a certain point of view you didn't get new slots||

[undone plover]

morale slot =/ training slot since it doesnt give xp
it is a stupid statement from the game tbh and should be rephrased

[stark quiver]

what about indep makes her good for w15

[undone plover]

natural stagger
high efficiency slots
high plane count for a CVL (natural high RLD)
CV buff + crossfleet
usual things that make her good anywhere else

I dont think she is particulary good for 15 though
maybe since she has 4 fighters for interception she is better than your usual 3 fighter CVs
for support fleet better options exist

[stark quiver]

thanks

[cobalt rapids]

Shes a great pick for w15

[eager mulch]

Shes a great pick

[undone plover]

[stark quiver]

i have her at 107 rn, im just running 12-1 to level her as well as langley

[toxic tartan]

Wish I had screen shots of my old fleets to know if my new ones stronger or not

[quartz breach]

Because Emden has no AA gun slot does she not actually do any damage at all to incoming aircraft? I imagine all she does it contribute a bit to the overall AA of a fleet she is in.

[crisp estuary]

[left cedar]

she dosnt contribute with AA, and if u are asking why AA stats cuz ingame need AA stats to mitigate planes dmg ...

[keen sable]

no contribution at all. There are actually some ships without aa gun slots that actively hurt your aa

[candid meteor]

is it worth farming the hard stage for the torps

[eager mulch]

It’s worth getting the torps

[whole crypt]

if you mean the stage drop that's just G7e

[candid meteor]

yea i meant those

[eager mulch]

G7e is in gearlab

[whole crypt]

bidder usually better anyway

[quartz breach]

Is her AA stat there just to avoid her taking like 100% damage from bombers?

[keen sable]

yes

[inland shoal]

Yeah, 0 AA means double the damage taken compared to 150 AA, as Pirate ships learned the hard way

[signal pollen]

how do I scrap xp data for research

[crisp estuary]

[signal pollen]

oh you can't do it to regular ones

[crisp estuary]

Go to your depot, click the xp item

Regular ones?

[forest palm]

you're talking about Combat Data Packs, and how to use them on Research Ships, or are you talking about how do you turn them into prints, need more clarification

[crisp estuary]

Scrap probably means turn into protocores

[signal pollen]

I was asking how could I turn t1 exp data packs into proto, which i misread the thingy probably

[forest palm]

go to your depot, find it, analyze it

[whole crypt]

XP packs can't be analyzed, only combat data packs

[crisp estuary]

Oh. That xp packs

[forest palm]

hard to know what they're talking about unless they visually show it, cause ESL is a thing

[crisp estuary]

ESL?

[forest palm]

English Second Language, I kind of operate on the basis everyone is

[signal pollen]

does core data drop more ch 10+ or does it stagnate at 24 at ch10

[soft raft]

English as a Second Langugage

[soft raft]

max is 30 at W13

[signal pollen]

okay, thanks

[soft raft]

and it would go up to 32 when W14 hard mode becomes and thing and etc etc

[forest palm]

is the Core Data that static of an increase

[signal pollen]

i think monthly i would miss 180 cores

[soft raft]

Yes

[signal pollen]

i don't have enought trp to do the hard modes anyways 💀

[whole crypt]

you run out of uses for them eventually

just do as high as you can

[forest palm]

brotha eww

[whole crypt]

just keep playing and leveling stuff at some point you'll have the TRP needed

[signal pollen]

sentenced to siren farming cause gear bad

[crisp estuary]

I did 13-2 hard twice and then went back to 12-2 hard because grinding 13-2 to safe is a hassle

[forest palm]

considering you're missing out on a whooping 2, I see no problem

[eager mulch]

60 core data/month

[forest palm]

[elfin hollow]

720 a year.

[crisp estuary]

I'd rather get to the boss directly. I could do that in 13-2 someday but the grind man

[forest palm]

somehow feel like if you can do 13HM you're probably done with the CD Shop

[whole crypt]

getting it to safe is just like 8 more boss fights

which is like 3 days, and you don't need to kill mobs

[forest palm]

oh, I'm not dismissing it, I'm just saying

[whole crypt]

no I mean for shipwrite, but then it's shipwrite so I guess it's par for the course

[forest palm]

[boreal fiber]

I just came back can anyone explain war archives 🥹

[keen sable]

experience old events

[whole crypt]

but without the point rewards

[stone sluice]

Is Winds alacrity good talent for cats or just shit?

[whole crypt]

shit

[stark quiver]

make ship fast

[whole crypt]

I'd say some manual gamers might want the speed for soemthing, but for normal play it's 🚮

[grizzled sundial]

Which gun can hit these speedy destroyer in Exercise mode ?

[whole crypt]

you mean your vanguard guns or your main fleet secondary guns

it's just the usual picks regardless, there's no way to avoid the enemy vanguards from zooming out of fire

[little tree]

should i hold Golden Bullins or LB U-47 / another ship

[sage nebula]

alvitr's s1 can burn submarines. thought that was cool since ive never seen subs on fire

[frank pulsar]

depending on your needs none of those ship may be worth your bulin

[sharp socket]

will i need a shiny oxytorp to do 12-x hard cause running 4 DDs and 1 CL and CA doesnt seem very stable to me

[grizzled sundial]

The high evasion destroyer get rid all my cruiser vanguard but got stopped by battleship . Still leave a sour taste though.

[little tree]

Sounds like i hold

[stark quiver]

youd be better off running survivability stuff

[sharp socket]

i already need to run 2 oxytorps to reach reqs

[jaunty vault]

its fine as long as you know what youre doing

[frank pulsar]

is it first time clearing? if it is just mix in high trp vanguards with good ship and let the good ship carry
if it isnt just stuff one fleet with trp ship and do the boss with the other

[jaunty vault]

youre better off using oxytorps on good ships rather than using shitty ships with high TRP

[crisp estuary]

[frank pulsar]

yea but realistically how many oxytorp would a player who hasnt done w12h have

[jaunty vault]

they could just be lazy

[sharp socket]

i have purple oxytorps

but no gold or shiny

[grizzled sundial]

How good is Vestal ?

[stark quiver]

bad

[frank pulsar]

terrible

[uneven cave]

Glorified AA platform that does AA worse than existing options and provides nothing else unlike other options

[forest palm]

just say how it is, she's a relic

[uneven cave]

What tech does she even give

[forest palm]

irrelevant

AR, AE, IX, SS all give tech for their specific hull type

[uneven cave]

[forest palm]

oddly enough BM give tech to CA, and CB

[uneven cave]

[forest palm]

fwiw it's all RLD

as a disclaimer BM tech doesn't extend to BB, BC, or BBV

[sly parcel]

Idk fleet for chap 13, just create thread n throw my dock?

Chap 13 guide :D

[jolly lion]

is anyone else's bluestacks taking forever loading up azur?

[grizzled sun]

Is operation siren the only good way to start building higher level gears?

[jaunty vault]

do you mean above +10 enhancement or do you mean gearlab gear?

opsi is the main source for both of these

and by main i mean 99%+ materials are from opsi

[grizzled sun]

Is farming blue prints to craft yourself viable or need to do opsi either way

[rain vine]

you have to do opsi

[late flame]

if you are talking gearlab, yes opsi

[grizzled sun]

Gotcha, guess I’ll go mess around in opsi then, thanks!

[keen sable]

for sure less than 60% of the gear comes from ops seeing as it has no auxes essentially.

[hushed dawn]

Out of all the META backliners, which 3 are the best for a full META backline?

[keen sable]

my current meta fleet gear source
event 7
event farming 4
research 9
ops 1
collection 2
box 3
core 4

[grizzled sun]

You can do past events?

[forest palm]

event shops/rewards, and event nodes sometimes have good gear, like this event even if the event itself is garbage

[keen sable]

unlikely. true they usually move into gear lab like mk7 did but if you didn't miss events you wouldn't need ops.

[grizzled sun]

Ahh ok, I’m new and just getting my first fleet to hit 100 and pushing them, trying to figure out the best way to improve their gear

Trying to get to 12 for optimal farm I’m guessing

[keen sable]

9 research gear

[forest palm]

it really only matters that you have what is necessary for the content, and in the right quantity

and what's mostly available permanently can be used to push even the hardest of content, there maybe better things available only through event, but not needed, and as was mentioned some event exclusive gear does become permanent

[grizzled sun]

What level do you think a fleet would need to be to get up to W 12?

[forest palm]

lethal, probably between 100 ~ 110, as long as you have proper gear, and a cohesive comp

[whole crypt]

depends on ships, but if you're not using absolute shitters ~105 is fine yeh

[forest palm]

honestly think after you've finished world 12, you should look ahead, and see what ships you'll need, and gear, otherwise you'll hit a hard wall

[grizzled sun]

Yeah I was a bit messy starting off thinking this was like other gacha’s and wasted a few dupes on multiple sr’s 😩 but been reading up on guides almost as much as playing

[forest palm]

this gacha also has an issue with speeding up newer players, and they jet into content with ships, and gear that can't match it

[grizzled sun]

Yeah why I asked, my team is around 95 and I’m still in world 9, did a bit of farming so going to see if I can push on now

[forest palm]

that's why I said to stop after completing world 12, it's a good break place, and area to work up your ships, and gear

[grizzled sun]

Back to the grind, thanks for the advice

[grizzled sun]

Ooh one last question, worth getting t3 gear pieces past +6 if it’s a decent piece?

[forest palm]

if you're using Sam's guides it should show you all the worthwhile gear to raise, which are typically the ones that are fine to go to +10

some purple gear is good to +10, while some gold gear is bad to + 10, it's a case by case scenario

[grizzled sun]

Yeah been looking at his guide, just don’t have much yellow gear yet, besides a few

[forest palm]

being T3 doesn't mean the gear has value, for instance the Messerschmitt ME-155A is an awful T3 Fighter Plane, that isn't worth any plates

[whole crypt]

there's a lot of purple gear that's fine or will work all the way through lategame

[grizzled sun]

Yeah been trying to use purp versions if I have them of the yellow ones for the ship from Sam’s gear suggestion

Making me itch to get those to 9 or 10 instead of waiting for the yellow

[whole crypt]

besides purple versions of recommended gold gear there's stuff like toolkits, helldiver and Mk6 that you'll basically just keep using

corsairs are fine to use and enhance as well and you get the plates back when you eventually get to "upgrade" it in gear lab

tenzan and tenzan kai are fine as placeholder converging torps before you can craft them into Ryuuseis or craft D-4s otherwise

[plain saffron]

am i stupid or sp won't auto go to next stage

[forest palm]

it's not dysnc'd?

[soft raft]

it's not just you
idk why

prob cuz since you technically arent doing multiple run sessions like with Hard it's not doing it

[plain saffron]

:murmpain:

[forest palm]

I got to 60k, and checked out

[whole crypt]

still at 32k

[whole crypt]

yeh only the thing only progresses automatically if you're on repeat mode, even on norm/hard it doesn't move on by itself if you do a standard sortie

[forest palm]

sounds like an oversight

[whole crypt]

sounds like AL

[forest palm]

indeed

[stark quiver]

is intrepid good

[soft raft]

Smol indie studio pls understand

[forest palm]

average

Intrepid is very much like Essex the gold standard of your average SSR CV

[soft raft]

Outside of being +2 AVI tech, no not really

[stark quiver]

[stone sluice]

Faction “misc” counts as Iris Libre gear for Brest's gear equipment requirement?

[plain saffron]

no

[stark quiver]

would a 120 mlb illustrious work better than a lvl 120 0lb uvh

[forest palm]

for what exactly?

[stark quiver]

so im trying to make a ex team, only to find out that i infact dont have jack

[sweet delta]

Surely you've been in gph long enough to know to provide context

[stark quiver]

eh id say run illus

[sweet delta]

A 120 0lb uvh would do like 5k damage in a minute

[stark quiver]

ah, so thats what went wrong

[sweet delta]

NVM, that's a level 1 uvh. A level 120 might do 30k

[unkempt mirage]

other than once for the mission, is doing EX everyday worth anything, i don't know if im missing some other benefit or not

[forest palm]

EX is a one, and done thing

[unkempt mirage]

oh sorry, i meant SP

[whole crypt]

the drops aren't particularly spectacular and because of the event format it's not a significant boost over just doing hard

[stark quiver]

btw this event's ex armor is medium correct?

[whole crypt]

there's 5 bosses they're all different hull classes

[stark quiver]

no way...

[unkempt mirage]

but its lower points/oil if im not somehow under the cap right? I ask mainly because seeing the 1/1 is making me nervous compared to normal events where sp is pretty good to hit everyday and wondering if i should just do it

[whole crypt]

it's worse point/oil than hard compred to normal events

if you use oilcap that is

but I don't think you'll fall very far from the cap for SP

and it's pretty much not worth bothering going below cap for hard

[soft raft]

Yeah
May as well full fleet to end this janky grind faster

[whole crypt]

if you care about oil efficiency just forget hard and SP

you can grind normal at about 3 times the oil efficiency of hard

[unkempt mirage]

im getting my oathed 125s some affinity in hard so its good for me

[whole crypt]

yeh

on that note though for points you can run SP at significantly below cap because each boss can be managed by a competent pair of leveled ships

looks like my SP run costs 98 oil which puts it at a bit over 8pt/oil

hard is 5.6

normal can be run with 18.33

[unkempt mirage]

i prepped mahans and ranger for normal events, but where do i get the lb0 monitor

[whole crypt]

erebus

same for Terror

Abercrombie is heavy build only

[unkempt mirage]

i'll try and remember to keep one from event builds for next time i guess

[whole crypt]

well it's just this shitty format that makes you use one

because CVL can't manage the 2nd boss

arguably you could just stick with hard/SP to finish faster and just forget the event exists

main problem being there's no crossfleet and no danger levels

[runic compass]

Do you guys know if gotta do something to go pass level 145? I thought that was the cap since I wasn't getting morr experience, but I saw some people level +145

[whole crypt]

you just keep grinding, the commander XP just becomes very slow up there

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Experience

[hot bobcat]

Ok, not really, fleet ships and all but... HOW DO I GET RID OF ALL THE BEERS!!?

[stark quiver]

click enhance on a good cat and then sacrafice the beers to it

[whole crypt]

feed to other cats

[hot bobcat]

Ok thank god

[dusk maple]

yup, all medium, aurora debuff works on last two

[sweet delta]

🤯 but aurora is anti light!!1!

[whole crypt]

so they made them all different hulls but same armour?

[sweet delta]

always has been

all 15 battles across 5 difficulties of the event have medium boss

[whole crypt]

tells you how little shit I give about this event, only did first boss for EX and I've been holing up in normal since

[uneven cave]

wait they're all medium?

[sweet delta]

always has been

[runic compass]

Weird, according to the wiki, base on what my oil and coin cap is, I should be on level 155 actually. I don't really know

[sweet delta]

you bought guild tech

[stark quiver]

Noob question, but I forgot if I use ap or he for medium bosses

[zinc turret]

https://blhx.fandom.com/wiki/Equipment

[sweet delta]

[plain saffron]

AP, 406mm/50 mle

[stark quiver]

brah

champy gun it is

[main latch]

Should i just keep getting pairs of white and black shells with the core data?

[ivory crown]

i was told as many as you need, as in how many bbs you want active simultaneously, but minimum is 3 pairs

[silk sphinx]

so, what's the most efficient way of farming the event? 1:1 or should I just use oilcap?

also, does this ex consume morale?

[stark quiver]

ex believe not, kinda just farm hard until u reach milestone u want, and u can run full fleet since oil cap

[silk sphinx]

yeah but morale...

[stark quiver]

i believe ex doesnt affect mrale

[silk sphinx]

if i split it up into teams of 1:1 it would be less trouble for farming hard

oh well. thanks alpha

[stark quiver]

i kinda just ran 1:1, stages give little to no xp

[sterile jolt]

Don't really use black shells when we everytime encounter light and medium armor bosses, instead use HCFCR

[lament bay]

which is better?

[silk sphinx]

what's your objective here?

[sterile jolt]

What you prefer ig

[lament bay]

i need 1 more tenrai blueprint

[crimson glacier]

id always go for purple if you just want gear

[silk sphinx]

if you're looking to research ships specifically, then the blue is technically more efficient. purple is much better if you're after gear though

it might be slighly less "time efficient", but non-q researches are much worse in efficiency

[main latch]

this any good ?

[stark quiver]

yes

[silk sphinx]

so getting a 4h Q means you reduce the time you spend on other research

[sweet delta]

which ships besides the four chinese ships have ghost AA that doesn't come from a skill

[lament bay]

i see makes sense

[silk sphinx]

it's an "improved" quad mag

[crimson glacier]

4h Q also seem to just have better rainbow drop rate than 30 min or atleast it feels like it

[silk sphinx]

I don't think community data sheets agree with that

[zinc turret]

better than the gold quad mag so yea

[torn phoenix]

is Agir worth developing? in another server I heard she’s not worth it

[stark quiver]

what server said that

[sweet delta]

what person said that

[silk sphinx]

the server doesn't matter, the ships don't change between servers

[torn phoenix]

AL EN Community Tier List there’s a command dedicated to her

[sterile jolt]

Who want to be deleted?

[silk sphinx]

uhm i'm sure you misunderstood

[torn phoenix]

they made a whole chart for it

[sterile jolt]

Xd

[stark quiver]

whole chart for what

[silk sphinx]

they do a lot of memes too, and regularly joke about ships. ask more seriously

[plain saffron]

she's worth

[torn phoenix]

oh, okay thank you

[sweet delta]

only ask questions here

[silk sphinx]

I realize now it was a diff discord server

[sweet delta]

no jokes allowed here

[silk sphinx]

yes a bit dumb of me

[sterile jolt]

Who talks "now worth" To agir, they are dumbs

[plain saffron]

read again

[mortal swift]

When is the next UR event?

[plain saffron]

it's prob because of agirbad bot command

like people here azuma bad

[soft raft]

Next new one is highly likely to be in September

And we have a decent chance of a UR rerun happening between now and then

[silk sphinx]

the bot commands are literally just memes, they're not serious

[sterile jolt]

Ok, ok

[mortal swift]

After the rerun, will it be added to standard construction?

[stark quiver]

not immedietly

[sterile jolt]

No

[soft raft]

Only about at least a year after said rerun

[mortal swift]

👍

[stark quiver]

nj?

[silk sphinx]

Based on precendent of around 3 years, mid september for a new UR event, for UR reruns nobody knows for sure

[main latch]

is there any ship in a fleet that should have the better AA gun ?

[sterile jolt]

?

[mortal swift]

Ok, because the schedule is really confusing for me😵‍💫

[silk sphinx]

define better. guessing the UR one though

[silk sphinx]

Past URs schedule
sep 17 2020 - Shinano (JP anniversary)
may 27 2021 - New Jersey (CN anniversary)
sep 16 2021 - Shimakaze (JP anniversary)
dec 29 2021 - Ulrich Von Hutten
feb 24 2022 - Kronshtadt
may 26 2022 - Vanguard (CN anniversary)
sep 15 2022 - Musashi (JP anniversary)
dec 22 2022 - Yorktown II
feb 23 2023 - Implacable
may 25 2023 - Bismarck Zwei (CN anniversary)
sep 14 2023 - Unzen (JP anniversary)
dec 21 2023 - Guam & Laffey II
feb 29 2024 - Sovetsky Soyuz
may 21 2024 - Alsace & Mogador (CN anniversary)
aug 15 2024 - Eldridge UR retrofit (EN anniversary)
sep 12 2024 - Amagi (CV) (JP anniversary)
dec 19 2024 - Fritz Rumey & Z52
feb 27 2025 - Raffaello
may 20 2025 - Lion & Trafalgar (CN anniversary)
aug 14 2025 - Essex UR retrofit (EN anniversary)

you can see a repeating pattern. manjuu won't tell us outright when new URs will come out

but based on when they have previously come out we can make a pretty good guess

[main latch]

I mean like the BB CV DD CA etc which one of them should have the better AA gun i have available

[silk sphinx]

oh i meant the UR gun (sry)

[soft raft]

Whoever the AA carry is has the prio for your best AA gun
Which is 100% not gonna be a backliner unit

[silk sphinx]

but uhm it's a bit more complex. backline in general can just wield the staag

and technically some backline ships are aa powerhouses

[viscid swift]

First, don't generalize capabilities based on hull types

To somewhat oversimplify things

All main fleets get Staggs

The best AA ship in the vanguard gets Sextuple/Roomba

And the rest get Twin 90s/57s if you have them

If you don't then give all the vanguards Roombas

[silk sphinx]

twin 113s

make a thread my dear

[viscid swift]

The skills of ships you're gonna be using you'll want to max

Except Portland

[fathom sable]

I never made 1, sorry

[silk sphinx]

in general, barring some very few exceptions: level all the skills of the ships you actually consider useful

[silk sphinx]

just that we discourage mass image dumping in the main channel, so threads are preferred for that. but all good

[fathom sable]

I'll keep that in mind

[sly parcel]

Any tips for sweeping hard stage?, i cleared chap 10

[silk sphinx]

"sweeping"?

[little tree]

It's more of do you have leveled ships for the required roles and stats