gameplay-help

[remote yarrow]

Go make guesses or cope over at #al-general

[dull saddle]

you get 18 cubes per week from weekly missions right?

[reef flume]

Speaking of gameplay help

Is she better than Percy?

[sleek spade]

yes

[remote yarrow]

No, depends on the week, oh

[modern aurora]

They should be equal

[sleek spade]

[reef flume]

Cuz I just finished her retrofit (it wasn't expensive at all)

[crimson glacier]

they arent equal

uni at her worst is as good as percy at her best

[remote yarrow]

They aren't, Unicorn is way better in most cases

And by most cases 95% of them

[reef flume]

Rn I have both Percy and Uni at lvl 90 but I have Percy with skills close to lvl 10. I'll improve Uni's skills to at least lvl 9 and then I'll test her

Then decide if to keep Percy or Uni

[remote yarrow]

It's better to say you get 168 guaranteed cubes every month + whatever you may get from commissions

[crimson glacier]

in hard content percy is just bad

[remote yarrow]

Active players get about 200 cubes every month on average

Not counting what you spend ofc

[frank pulsar]

theyre the same, except percy falls off hard in prolonged fights

[reef flume]

I remained with 116 cubes the 21th of May after I finished pulling Alsace, and now I'm at 409

[reef flume]

Thanks to:

Missions, monthly login and commissions

[reef flume]

And cruise pass ofc

[remote yarrow]

Cool?

[dull saddle]

im at about 100 cubes rn so by the next ur rerun/event i should theoratically get enough cubes to pull them right?

[reef flume]

Yes

[dull saddle]

also any news on the perm ur exchange? like when will they add new ships

[remote yarrow]

Not at all

Will probably be Shimakaze but we got no idea when

[reef flume]

I'd say Ulrich too

[plain saffron]

Nj event still not archived yey

[reef flume]

It is

[plain saffron]

Wait when

[reef flume]

When they added her to the pulls

Iirc

[plain saffron]

No it isn't. Only NJ was added at that time

[sleek spade]

now you can farm washing machines

[remote yarrow]

It's on WAs based on the Wiki

[plain saffron]

Anyway there's still long line for archive/permanent

For ulrich and the rest

[remote yarrow]

Which there's not real reason to when you get them from research

[sleek spade]

but I have many Cruisers which needs washing machines

[modern aurora]

Quick question, who are the quote "boss killers" in AL? As in those that deal upwards of 50k damage in META Showdown or stuff like that?

[uncut oar]

Maint tomorrow?

[plain saffron]

Good ships

[sleek spade]

yes

[uncut oar]

Timezones are weird for me, so sanity check

[plain saffron]

Big dmg kill boss

[crimson glacier]

50k is like, really low dmg

[uncut oar]

Oki ty

[remote yarrow]

<t:1719471600:R>

Yeah 50k damage isn't that much

[uncut oar]

50k is like Helena levels of dps

[modern aurora]

Alright what's the usual levels of dps

[sleek spade]

300k+

[modern aurora]

Holy hec-

[remote yarrow]

For oneshots? 300/400k+

[sleek spade]

well, that's really decked gear

[crimson glacier]

well this is the fleet im using on meta battle

[modern aurora]

What are the oneshot teams?

[remote yarrow]

The image above you

[modern aurora]

Other than that one

[remote yarrow]

Depends on the meta fight

[sleek spade]

big boom boom UR BB fleet with buffs

[modern aurora]

...fr?

[echo nexus]

which ship would be the best one to put the yamato gun on? currently, the main bb ships i’ve been using are nj, uvh, fdg, alsace and musashi

[uncut oar]

Oneshots require fairly decked gear and fleet so if you're missing most URs etc for example you're probably out of luck

I have all URs and I'm still not within oneshot territory

[modern aurora]

Ulrich? Huh

[sleek spade]

Shinano + Haku + Sirius + Kazagumo for fleet works too

[modern aurora]

Haku?

[uncut oar]

Hakuryuu

[sleek spade]

Hakuryuu, PR 4 research

[remote yarrow]

That fleet looks dead before 3rd strike for meta fight

[modern aurora]

oh

[sleek spade]

but it does dmg!

[frank pulsar]

none, yamato gun is extremely niche and has almost no use cases

[crimson glacier]

i mean its a good fleet, just not good for witchita

[remote yarrow]

I mean damage is from 1 to 1350000

[echo nexus]

ahh, i see
just wondering, what would those use cases even be?

[plain saffron]

Timings

[sleek spade]

and it's fairly accessible if you don't have ultra decked gear and didn't roll a lot of UR BBs

[frank pulsar]

iirc was used in a meta fight one shot back in the day, idr any other use case

[plain saffron]

The problem is this meta is high vg pressure

Like high high

[remote yarrow]

imo if you don't have YK2,Kear,Implac fleet might aswell run a BB fleet instead of Haku,Nano

[uncut oar]

I want to say it was renown or something that released around that time

[remote yarrow]

Tried Haku Nano, most that I did was 570k, used triple BB most I do is 743k

[frank pulsar]

wait renown? do you have an example fleet of it being used?

[echo nexus]

fair enough lol

[sleek spade]

yea I think so too but the one that asked for big dmg fleet that does 50k dmg probably dont have a lot of UR BBs...

[uncut oar]

I don't, that was off the top of my head, but the point is that was literally the only time I remember yamato gun being unironically mentioned

[frank pulsar]

i really wanna one shot renown, i got so close ystd

[uncut oar]

Sorry

[plain saffron]

50k is per ship, the question is what count as a "boss killer" ship

[frank pulsar]

cn wiki lists meta comps right? ill dig a lil bit

[thorn tartan]

what is the armor type of this witchita meta?

[plain saffron]

Light

[frank pulsar]

light

[sleek spade]

Alsace

[plain saffron]

Someone mentioned 50k then here we are

[sleek spade]

Alsace so hot!!!

[thorn tartan]

do bbs or cvs do light damage better

[plain saffron]

Anyway best fleet for this meta will depend on who you have

[uncut oar]

@frank pulsar

[plain saffron]

I remember it was used in few META fights

[uncut oar]

Wrt yamato gun. I knew I was misremembering who it was after saying renown, was close

[plain saffron]

Like that one with nagato

[tired creek]

where do i find the materials that km missing?

[sleek spade]

Opsi shop or play more opsi...

[remote yarrow]

The fantastic world of Opsi

[plain saffron]

Entire operation siren

[remote yarrow]

I have never seen that CL gun tho

[sleek spade]

it's to craft the US CL gun

[modern aurora]

Is Georgia good for META bosses or do I keep using FdG/NJ/Musashi?

[sleek spade]

FDG NJ Musashi

actually Im not sure FDG is very good for boss but probably better than georgia

[modern aurora]

Do I replace FdG with UvH or Vanguard

[sleek spade]

UvH would be better I'd imagine? if you have the PR 6 HE gun or NJ HE gun

[frank pulsar]

vanguard is much better than uvh

[modern aurora]

...Is Warspite Retro not good anymore?

[sleek spade]

oh how come?

[crimson glacier]

uvh isnt very good

vanguard is really good

[modern aurora]

What's the ideal Vanguard build

[crimson glacier]

same build as all other BBs

[sleek spade]

oh shet time to stop using UvH then

[uncut oar]

Spitekai is like SR levels nowadays, Vanny has a debuff and a buff so she's strong if you're syncing

[modern aurora]

?

[frank pulsar]

she buffs the whole fleet, which pulls her ahead of the other ur bb in rdps

[remote yarrow]

She kinda was back in the day, it's just the bar wasn't too high back then, now she's dog water

[tired creek]

is my kronshnadt good?

[frank pulsar]

good enough

[remote yarrow]

Decent

[tired creek]

dope

[uncut oar]

max that augment

[sleek spade]

is UvH even worth using other than opsi mobbing?

[uncut oar]

Crossfleet

[sleek spade]

well...

[crimson glacier]

uvh is kinda like NJ, she is just outmatched at everything

[remote yarrow]

She's decent against light boses

[sweet delta]

460 was for Arizona meta showdown

[crimson glacier]

except rarely when content wants you to shoot fast, she has that as niche

[sleek spade]

hmmmm

[south sequoia]

Last time UVH was used for harder content was kirov meta showdown

[sleek spade]

Should I pump bulin to Vanguard rerun or save for new UR? I have 0 bulins rn cus of recent french URs

[remote yarrow]

I'm using her for this fight cuz I don't have anything else

[sweet delta]

How do you know Vanguard rerun

[ember totem]

[sleek spade]

all I know is soon tm before new UR

[modern aurora]

AL really punches you for missing events and ships huh

[remote yarrow]

There's some decent permanent ships, but most of them are time gated by research

[uncut oar]

It really doesn't compared to other gachas

AL already giga generous

[zinc turret]

yeah ngl , ez max lb everyship as long as u play enough , and they give quite lots of cube for gacha

[plain saffron]

The only drawback is that you need to play the game

[modern aurora]

This good for Wichita META?

[zinc turret]

the good weapons also craftable

[remote yarrow]

Comp wise, maybe
Level wise, not at all

[agile sky]

Rn im working on FdG, but i plan on going for anchorage next.

What 3 or 6 eagle union vanguard should i keep in dorm for now to lvl up for later?

[remote yarrow]

Wait nvm most of those aren't even MLB

[modern aurora]

Yeah... still haven't passed chapter 11 so getting them to 120 is gonna be a slog

[modern aurora]

It's a bit difficult getting UR Bulins when it's once a month

[remote yarrow]

Would be easier if you didn't partially limit break them too

but w/e

[modern aurora]

Ah, eto... blegh

[remote yarrow]

Now I'm curious on what are you even using for your fleets tbh

Cuz those partially Limit broken URs don't seem too good

[modern aurora]

Umm faction fleets :P

Somehow surviving on life support via faction buffs and healing

[remote yarrow]

San Diego,Helena and probably Baltimore

[modern aurora]

For stuff like Op Si and META Showdowns I just throw in whichever hits the hardest

And Helena Retro

I mean hey if it works it works

[remote yarrow]

You can use whatever before W12 and it will work

I suggest you ask for help with your fleets, cuz faction fleets will end up failing soon enough when you actually try to push

I would do it but it's almost 5AM and I'm going to bed

[modern aurora]

...Where do I send my roster

[south sequoia]

Between hinden, unzen, drake and mogador gun, which of the 4 wins highest +13 prio
gonna finally focus back on vanguard guns

[south sequoia]

Create a thread and post all of your dock pictures in there

[modern aurora]

Here?

[south sequoia]

Yes, a thread in this channel

[frank pulsar]

imho hinden gun > mog gun > other guns
others might have different opinion

[modern aurora]

W12 Fleet help

[steady beacon]

I'd probably consider whether you use CAs or DDs more first tbh
For me, who uses almost no CAs, I'd do Mog gun first without question

[gentle gale]

Opsi fleet managed to reach 13 bars of hp on hardbiter with kear,york11,Avp fleet. Should i change the fleet or change their gear to guarantee hardbiter clear?

[stiff isle]

Any reason why Auto-Search keeps turning itself off? Googles solutions didn't help.

[midnight pewter]

Which one should i get?

[steady beacon]

What are your other fleets?

[gentle gale]

Standard shiny fleets, alcase, sushi, NJ with brest double preload ijn torp UR's for mob and standards Bis2 and haku bb and cv fleet respectively

[steady beacon]

Wait, so are you trying to one-shot the Arbiter?
Or is it that all four fleets together reduced her to 13 bars of health?

[gentle gale]

Heres the fleet, i should probably just remove the HE fleet ang create a new fleet rite?

[steady beacon]

You can I guess...?
But like
Fleet 3 + Fleet 1 or 2 should honestly be enough to kill as it is, unless you are really lacking in equipment

Those are already like... 10 times better ships than I had at my disposal when I started tackling Arbiters

Might be better to look at their equipment than to create new fleets

[gentle gale]

Isee² its probably a mix of gear issue and me not properly dodging Hardbiter attack, will retry battle to confirm issue, thanks!

[steady beacon]

Good luck
If you need any help with equipment, screenshot and post in thread

[crimson pollen]

as a new player which banner should I be rolling on to get ships

[inner delta]

use free ticket for the event banner and just do 1 per day on light you pull later on event

[steep merlin]

anything worth getting in pr2 except for fdg?

[cobalt rapids]

eventually all but not prios
get azuma when ure finished coining fdg so u can coin her aswell

[steep merlin]

so should I try to develop Azuma once im finished with fdg? before moving to pr3

[cobalt rapids]

finished with fdg means u coined her to FS5
and that means later
and u should be jumping around seasons as needed as far as early shipyard construction goes

[steep merlin]

I see ty

[fresh tangle]

Down to like 1.6k oil atm should I hold on for event or keep doing 12-1 to finish anchorage development asap?

[jaunty vault]

doesn't really matter

i would do anchorage

[fresh tangle]

I’m leaning towards 12-1 for anchorage too tbh. Will be nice to have Brennus/portland/anchorage

[eternal basalt]

Keep for event - starts tommorrow, plenty of farm time

[whole crypt]

sup mogs

[unkempt mirage]

is this supposed to be better than normal fighters with bombs against heavy, https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_190_A-6/R6_(Carrier-based_Prototype)#Type_0-0

[whole crypt]

marginally better than 2x1000s

[crimson glacier]

doesnt that just make it worse everywhere

[unkempt mirage]

the wiki sorting doesnt seem to show it, am i parsing the list wrong

[whole crypt]

yeh it's worse against anything that's not hermit, basically

and whatever the BB enforcer is called, maybe heavy armour CMs

[unkempt mirage]

as in when i sort it by heavy, its below all the bombs

[crimson glacier]

i mean it looks like shit when im looking at numbers so makes sense

a lot worse dmg than bombs and worse armor mod than bombs

[unkempt mirage]

even sorted by heavy its way down here

[crimson glacier]

yeah because of what i said

[crisp estuary]

[unkempt mirage]

so when is it better than 2x1000, is it when theres targetting?

[crimson glacier]

never

i have never seen anyone use that plane

[unkempt mirage]

i was going off this

[inner delta]

it's a timing thing

for single target bossing

[crimson glacier]

it has almost same timing as flapjack

i dont see any reason to make it

[sudden sky]

What’s the best guide for someone trying to beat the arbiters for the first time

[south sequoia]

I assume the icon above the enemy head is supposed to be the mark for mogadors debuff?

[whole crypt]

I think it was something about spread but I've honestly not made a conscious effort to swap to fockwulfe because you're not going to see any real difference even if better

[south sequoia]

Its my first time seeing this

[whole crypt]

depends on the month, don't think there's a one-page concise guide for it at the moment

[balmy matrix]

If i need torp bomber poverty gear, should I use tenzan kai or purple ryusei?

[whole crypt]

tenzan

if you have any purple lab materials tenzan kai is effectively a gold Ryuusei with less avi

also can craft up to gold ryuusei, unlike purple ryuusei which is a dead end

also this is only if you need converging TBs, you shouldn't use any of them if you're not coping for converging

[undone plover]

For the normal arbiter
Just fight it then leave and go heal
Go fight a random mob to get rid of the low resolve debuff
U can then fight the arbiter since it doesnt heal

The hard arbiter will need at least 4 decently levelled fleets and submarines help a lot

[steady beacon]

It takes into account bomb spread
It is generally more important to take into consideration passive intercept, which may be more useful for protecting the hidden gauge
That said, in some rare instances, it is used, with the recently finished Rodney season being one example

[unkempt mirage]

just so i understand, so the implication is that for the bomb fighters, some of the bombs will miss?

[whole crypt]

you don't need 4 fleets for harb, depends on what you have on hand and what you're fighting since arbs are different month to month

[undone plover]

I doubt a new player lacking broken ships can do it with less than four tbh
I guess it depends if they start with a UR event or not

[steady beacon]

There is a chance the bombs will physically miss (this before we go into the hit rate judgment)
This is just a consequence of the fact that bombs are dropped in a square area around the target with fixed splash radii, so there is a chance that the bomb will drop at a point where the target is not within the splash zone

[whole crypt]

newer players cannot build 4 functional fleets for arb, it usually gets progressively worse after the first fleet or 2, fleet 3 and 4 tends to do little more than scratch the boss

in cases where your first 2-3 fleets can't kill it's not particularly optimistic for the remaining fleets to finish the job

[unkempt mirage]

wow and the miss rate is more than 50%? not questioning the math, just surprised

[undone plover]

U can still put some level 120 ships in 3 and 4 for harbiter
That is why i didnt say 4 decent fleets
Just decently levelled

Even bad ships in fleet 3 and 4 can still do ~10 health bars each which is better than 0

[cobalt rapids]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/BombSpread

[steady beacon]

Ye, Rice has got the math covered if you want to look at that
Iirc the usual calc is that only the 800kg/1600lb, 2000lb, and 1000lb 1771 Firefly bombs have a theoretical physical hit rate above 50%

[whole crypt]

if you can afford to throw around 2 more fleets of 120 you'll more likely be better off concentrating on deficiencies of the first 2

it can boil down to finishing off with fleet 4, but it's not that common

[unkempt mirage]

well wouldnt bomb spread reduction be an amazing skill to have if it existed

[steady beacon]

How coincidental that that was something I theorymonned with some friends some time back
But as a practical matter it is why against most single-target you prioritise converging TB/rocket planes in flexible slots
E.g. Bossing Hakuryuu never carries a DB in her slot 3

[whole crypt]

generally if you can build up to 3 functional fleets the boss will die by the 2nd unless your mob fleet is in a leveing setup

[steady beacon]

Well, almost never... there was ONE exception I remember in recent years

[frank pulsar]

is it algm? i cant think of any boss fight that db would be better

[cobalt rapids]

ive seen docks with 4 lvled fleets that need 4 to kill harbiter
i wouldnt say its needed as a general rule and instead based on each persons dock but its def possible to need 4 fleets and to have 4 fleets on hand

[calm rose]

What's the one exception

[steady beacon]

If you, for some reason, didn't want to or couldn't use Bismarck to cheese the AlgM fight, you could try and massively cope with area bombing to try and take advantage of the pillars gimmick
It was woefully inconsistent and was also hamstrung if you didn't have a ton of Tenrais lying about

[whole crypt]

at that point it tends to be a ship and/or gear choice problem

[plain saffron]

Or didn't get good ships from gacha

Not everyone have all UR

[cobalt rapids]

i mean it def is but not every1 playing optimally or some pick it up late or some dc

[plain saffron]

My no gacha account still need 3-4 for hardbiter

[calm rose]

I rmb struggling extremely hard for the first few arbiter fight when it came out

[undone plover]

More importantly harby still gives rewards
Even your first month u can try it and see how much damage u can do
U will know by the end what to improve to go for the kill

[plain saffron]

I don't think even 5 tenrai can help my account

[whole crypt]

that's a personal choice

[steady beacon]

You made your bed, etc.

[plain saffron]

The point is not everyone have all shiny ur maxed fleet tech shit. And that's why 4 fleet exist

[hard mesa]

[plain saffron]

And why some need 4 fleet

[whole crypt]

there is a pretty wide range between "I have no rainbows" and "I have everything maxed", somewhere on the spectrum you can already do fine with 2-3 fleets and it's an optimization problem

[undone plover]

I think you can brute force killing a harby earlier and easier by levelling 4 fleets than optimizing 2 but i could be wrong so no need to argue about it ig

[steady beacon]

Many ways to skin the cat solve problems, as always

[whole crypt]

skin the scamcat
well yeh it usually goes back to Depends™️ on what you're missing

[plain saffron]

And time

[inland shoal]

I also use a different approach in the morning than the evening

[steady beacon]

I guess I would add that it is nonetheless always a good principle, especially when you are still short on ships/equipment, to focus all your best stuff into one or two fleets when it comes to the Arbiter or any similar boss
This just being a reflection of the fact that the effect of a force multiplier is proportional to the force it's multiplying

[fresh tangle]

Looking at gear lab stuff in bot spam and is there others I should be looking at as this seems a big jump? I’m happy to just sit and accumulate but didn’t know if it was a case of hold on and save or there are other immediate things to get

[dawn crane]

Who should I get illus royal or poon

[steady beacon]

If I'm remembering your current progression correctly, just sit on the Mk 7 for a while
Def not something you need to rush in the grand scheme of things

[fresh tangle]

Im using triple 406mm mk6 on my BBs atm

[whole crypt]

Mk7 is just a shiny Mk6

[steady beacon]

Ye, and that's fine
It's a nontrivial upgrade, no doubt, but the material cost is staggering relative to other things that you could build instead

[atomic abyss]

nothing wrong with mk6

[steady beacon]

I'd phrase it as the Mk6 is "enough" for most things

[whole crypt]

also if you want to make a Mk7 it's probably better to use the other craft route than upgrade a Mk6

[fresh tangle]

Cool just the answer I was looking for. I’m sure there are other significant upgrades I can do for less mats

[atomic abyss]

im still using mk6 myself

[whole crypt]

Mk7 isn't even a real upgrade until you enhance past +10

but rainbow enhancement costs

[fresh tangle]

For Emden is there a general consensus on her Cl/DD gun skill?

[atomic abyss]

DD primary CL secondary

[placid dragon]

What are some of the good War Archives to farm passively with the daily chips? Letting them pile up feels inefficient

[junior pewter]

Any recommendations ship class for winshersher meta?

[uncut oar]

mk6 is a gold gun in purple skin pretty much

[fresh tangle]

Alright I thought as much thank you for confirmation. The CL effect seems generally better.

[junior pewter]

Halp!

[whole crypt]

farming war archives is even more inefficient unless there's something specific you need like KMS ships from chessboard

[atomic abyss]

unfortunately, for any older player, they are useless...

[atomic abyss]

the best comps involve kearsage, yk2, implacable, plymouth/harbin, sirius, helena

the backline shd be using hvar cats or rockets

[whole crypt]

you mean a comp for fighitng Wichita META?

[junior pewter]

Class like pure cv back line or pure cl vanguard

[whole crypt]

game doesn't work that way

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=40597727 for reference

[atomic abyss]

in this case you want mix backline for wichM

[sudden sky]

So hermit is heavy so I need AP rounds right?

[whole crypt]

for BBs yes

[crimson glacier]

so how do i read that, they actually prefer harbin for the best kill rate?

[whole crypt]

your mileage might vary, Harbin supposedly helps keep vanguard alive for longer

a couple here says they're fine using Plymouth

[uncut oar]

Supposedly because of getting full smokescreen effect when chained

[whole crypt]

they apparently shoved it on top because supposedly the comp has a chance of killing with 1 scan but neither pili nor I have come close
3 strike 2 scan comps generally feel the most consistent so far

[junior pewter]

Is harbin good?

[south sequoia]

great

great vanguard dps with a smokescreen to fall back on for your fleet

[whole crypt]

harbin's smoke is tied to torping, you need a torp timing of roughly 18.4s, and it doesn't work if you're chained

[calm rose]

You need max cl rld fleet tech for that right?

[delicate lance]

Guys

[whole crypt]

I don't have max CL RLD tech but it worked out fine

[uncut oar]

The site says "some degree of cl rld"

[delicate lance]

Any viable CV (in terms of DPS) for replacement for Enty and Essex

[whole crypt]

you need close-ish to 18.4 I guess but doesn't need to be exact, it's probably counting on harbin putting up smoke around high damage windows

[uncut oar]

I'm reading as close to but doesn't need actually maxed rld

[calm rose]

I see. I was wondering about that. Thanks

[junior pewter]

Is this good? A just need them to lvl up?

[atomic abyss]

enty replacements are all URs
essex has plenty, most notably saratoga retro

[south sequoia]

There is also her sister, shangri-la with augment

[whole crypt]

will also need to be properly geared, obviously
I'm not sure how well Shinano/Hakuryuu does with Wichita but it's definitely less than the recommended Kearsarge/Yorktown II

[atomic abyss]

they don't do well

[delicate lance]

Cause i am using NJ now. I wanna try maxing DPS

[atomic abyss]

NJ's best fleets are with other BBs tho...

[uncut oar]

Well it's hard to contest enty with SRs when she's a 16-plane CV 70% of the time...

[whole crypt]

where are you using NJ for what though

[delicate lance]

Flagship?

[atomic abyss]

what content

[whole crypt]

what stage/fight and what other ships are your options

[delicate lance]

Lol

[uncut oar]

"Flagship" is not a specific piece of content

[delicate lance]

Using it for operation Siren

[drifting pecan]

is there any alternative gear for f6f hvar?

[placid dragon]

Is there any reason to keep a non-retrofit version of a ship if you already retrofitted?

[junior pewter]

Kearsarge?

[calm rose]

Bf109g

[delicate lance]

What you mean by this

[south sequoia]

Not really

[whole crypt]

I'm guessing you want to use NJ's crossfleet CV buff which is like... whatever

[south sequoia]

Direct double damage buff = Lucky E

[delicate lance]

Yeah

So what other UR can replace Enty

[whole crypt]

Enterprise + Shangri-La + 1 slow support I guess

upwards is Kearsarge/Yorktown II

[south sequoia]

Shinano, Hakuryuu, Implacable, Yorktown II

[junior pewter]

Any replacement for kearsarge? Seems like i still dont have her

[delicate lance]

Right i forgot implac buff Union ship

[whole crypt]

he wants to use NJ's crossfleet AVI buff, but it's kind of a lost cause

Implacable doesn't buff USS ships, she just offers stop support

[south sequoia]

You can try rolling with enterprise rng

[uncut oar]

No, implac's good because of timestop on a CV that does good damage

[delicate lance]

Sorry mess up the buff thing

[whole crypt]

the only CVs that will realistically get any use out of that buff are Yorktown II and Enterprise, I guess Shangri-La with aug could count if you're missing Yorktown II
there's also the odd case if you somehow got Hornet II but not Yorktown II I guess?

[delicate lance]

Well i did not do the event

I last played was at 2022

Where Musashi was released

[whole crypt]

then it's pretty much just Enteprise and Shangri-La if you want to cope for a USS carrier comp

it's fine if you don't have better carriers I guess?

[delicate lance]

Wait. Let me see what i have

[delicate lance]

Have both of these

[frank pulsar]

shangri la is pretty high bar to beat though for ssr cv

[whole crypt]

they'll probably still be worse than Shinano/Hakuryuu if you have them, even with the buff

but if you don't have the IJN pair then I guess you could try going with those 2, third carrier should be some sort of slow/stop support

[delicate lance]

Cause i have been using Essex.

[whole crypt]

drop Essex for Shangri-La and get her augment then

[delicate lance]

Basically, you support 3 carrier formations?

[whole crypt]

that's kind of the norm for an OS CV boss fleet

[delicate lance]

Awww.

[whole crypt]

the only exception is really Kearsarge

[delicate lance]

I been using wrong then

[whole crypt]

NJ doesn't want to be in that fleet anyway for the buff to work

[delicate lance]

usually i been using 1 BB + 2 CVs

[delicate lance]

So a CV like Formi?

[whole crypt]

Implacable > AvPFS5 > Ark Royal, the rest are kind of shit

[calm rose]

Avp, ark royal or implacable. Not formi

[delicate lance]

AVP?

[calm rose]

August von parseval

[late flame]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/August_von_Parseval

[whole crypt]

the thing with OS boss fleets is you don't need to be concerned with dealing with anything besides the boss, so you can just go pure BB/CV and concentrate the support for them

August von Parseval, will need FS5 or bust

[delicate lance]

So what kind of slow you are saying

[whole crypt]

basically a carrier that slows/stops the enemies so your carriers can all land their converging torps

[thorny laurel]

FS5?

[atomic abyss]

fate sim 5

[whole crypt]

fate simulation 5

[calm rose]

Fate sim 5.

[delicate lance]

So why Formi is out of the list when she can slow/stop?

[atomic abyss]

cos she can barely hit her own torps cos of the way her slow works

[calm rose]

Her damage is also very bad

[whole crypt]

because her stop is short and she's not 100% stop after first launch, plus her own damage is meh

[late flame]

she isnt as formidable as her name suggests

[delicate lance]

Lol

[whole crypt]

the main thing is consistency and reliability, which is why AvP is also bust if not FS5

[delicate lance]

lumbering

[late flame]

even ark royal can be considered cope tbh

[atomic abyss]

ark would be better than formi frankly

[uncut oar]

Correct if wrong but

[whole crypt]

Ark Royal's slow has a very long window and the slow is pretty high %

[uncut oar]

Didn't we use arkkai just because back then there was no reliable timestop with at least decent damage on a cv

AvP fs5 wasn't a thing, impla wasn't a thing

[delicate lance]

Sheesh. Been using wrong

[atomic abyss]

i mean her own damage was pretty respectable cos of 6 TBs and fleet carrier

[whole crypt]

we used Ark Royal even before retrofit

[uncut oar]

Yeah, I mean specifically for "slow support"

[delicate lance]

cough cough. Been using waifus. Never asked

[uncut oar]

[whole crypt]

she did both, you just used a trash DB to make her speed up

[calm rose]

Ez to time too. Her slow last like 8 seconds

[uncut oar]

Ic. I started when arkkai was already a thing and slow was quoted as a reason to farm her for me

[late flame]

welp my bad, never really did like AR since i'm mostly sticking with implacable and/or FS5 AvP

[delicate lance]

But, tbh, you can just use waifus right?

sorry for asking

[whole crypt]

you can if you don't mind not oneshotting bosses in OS

[atomic abyss]

if you intend to clear any actually challenging content, no you cannot

[uncut oar]

Why ask if you wanna just use waifus just manual

[calm rose]

If your waifu is strong yea, but waifu fleet is not easy to excel

[whole crypt]

in campaign it becomes a problem for late game

[delicate lance]

Asking a third opinion helps

[whole crypt]

like it depends on who your waifu is

[sinful elk]

Chat after I finish retrofitting independence whom should i focus on next

[late flame]

Ranger RNG letsgo

[whole crypt]

I suppose Unicorn, Portland and starter all done

[uncut oar]

RNG if you crash your game or not

[sinful elk]

Should I post my dock here

[whole crypt]

if you want to post dock start a thread, but the next in line is usually Nelson or Saratoga depending on who you use

if you're done with all those I guess you could work on Helena or start saving for San Diego

[crisp estuary]

[turbid dawn]

Is there any way I can get Houshou to survive? For some reason even though they only do 12-4 mobs she's the only 1 who goes below 90% hp and also proceeds to die

[wind hazel]

give her toolbox

[turbid dawn]

And idk why her in particular keeps dying, but the constant -30 mood compared to all other ships is annoyin g

[undone plover]

It is probably a BB killing her
Give her evasion/fire extinguisher

[atomic abyss]

it's 12-4 tho...

[turbid dawn]

Well that's what I was thinking

I've done 12-4 so so so much, and the only time I've had issues was a full fleet of tempesta ships

[delicate lance]

Also. Wanna ask

I got bunker hill as well. Farm her or just keep her at 1 side

[atomic abyss]

she's worse than enty, sara kai and shangri la so

[delicate lance]

Ok

[late flame]

collection only tbh

[delicate lance]

Ouch

[undone plover]

Bb nodes in 12-4 are tough
The plane damage shouldn’t be high enough to kill a lvl 115 ship if you vanguard is carrying decent aa gear and u are on circle formation

[sinful elk]

Chat how do I get kearsarge bp i can't see one research of her through the research pages

[delicate lance]

Set to PR6

[atomic abyss]

you shouldn't even be doing PR6

[calm rose]

Focus pr6 research

[atomic abyss]

did you even finish PR4

[delicate lance]

Of your research

[late flame]

after you cleared pr4 (maybe except marco polo) and has tenrai x 2

[atomic abyss]

and after you get plymouth with her guns

[delicate lance]

No. I only completed PR3 Drake and Cheshire

[uncut oar]

Do pr4 asap pr4's stronk

[sinful elk]

Already set

[uncut oar]

oops, wrong reply

[atomic abyss]

why are you even doing PR6

[atomic abyss]

you should do PR4 then

[sinful elk]

I well, got enough point to do kearsarge so i did it

[atomic abyss]

and she will be useless until dev 30

[delicate lance]

Lol i alrdy have
Kearsarge

[crystal dove]

Is Small version count as collection percent?

[atomic abyss]

ignore PR6
focus on PR4

[uncut oar]

Having kearsarge means nothing about pr4, go finish pr4

[delicate lance]

Lol

[sinful elk]

Yeah but i currently can't do any other ships

[atomic abyss]

then that should be your priority

fixing that

[delicate lance]

Who to focus first for PR4

[atomic abyss]

anchorage

[calm rose]

Anchorage

[uncut oar]

I mean sure you can lol but tenrai agir haku avp and ancho are all useful

Ancho

[sinful elk]

Trying to farm chessboard for ib tech though but i didn't want the exp from my eagle mains wasted

[atomic abyss]

we are in 1 IB event now

we have another IB event in a day

getting IB tech should be easy af

[sinful elk]

[delicate lance]

I have tenrai though

[uncut oar]

Get more tenrai

[atomic abyss]

1 tenrai isn;t enough to begin with

[calm rose]

You're not getting the point

[atomic abyss]

you're missing a lot of actually good, easy to max ships

[frank pulsar]

hot take: tenrai not even important

[sinful elk]

Thats a good point but I don't have the resource for the ship builds thus im unlucky as hell only got the event reward ship and lutzow

[uncut oar]

Haku is one of the top dps CVs, agir is an amazing tank, avp is a good cv with timestop, ancho is a great tank that also helps the rest of your vg tank

@delicate lance

[atomic abyss]

the event drops plenty of IB ships tho...

[uncut oar]

Also I'm literally going back to pr4 after I finish pr7 when it comes out and get caught up because I want 4 tenrai never hurt

[atomic abyss]

and i mean from maps, not just from builds

also, if you could do kearsage, means you should already have gotten anchorage

[uncut oar]

Does kms still have minor faction tech bonus?

[sinful elk]

Ye dev 30

[atomic abyss]

who is one of the best tanks in the game

[delicate lance]

F man. I started on Plymouth alrdy

[atomic abyss]

dev 30? why not fs5?

your priorities are messed up lmao

[delicate lance]

Yep

[sinful elk]

Doing lvl 100 for her fs5

[delicate lance]

Sorry. I never think ahead

[uncut oar]

Starting on ply is fine ply is stronk too, but pr5 is slightly worse than pr4 overall

[sinful elk]

Yeah i know im kinda doomed but trying to fix it rn 200 more points left away from fdg

[atomic abyss]

fdg should be the first PR ship that any player should aim for

[delicate lance]

Yey. We the messed up gang

[atomic abyss]

even more than anchorage

[uncut oar]

Tbf there's no "doomed" in AL, only "this'll make you need to take x months longer to catch up"

[calm rose]

Not doomed. You can just fix issue.

[uncut oar]

(unless you scrapped your hedgehog like somebody from my guild )

[delicate lance]

Hedgehog?

[jovial cosmos]

I've finished my exam tab in newcomer mission tab, who should i get?

(I already have hood)

[calm rose]

Gold asw weapon

[wind hazel]

enterprise

[delicate lance]

Oooo

Is it this

[late flame]

yeah gg if this gets scrapped since there is no getting another one

[sinful elk]

Should i switch my focus to pr2 rn

[atomic abyss]

no

switch to PR4
unlock fdg, use coins to get her BP

[uncut oar]

Coin fdg, never focus 1 through 3

[delicate lance]

Sad

[uncut oar]

You can dev a ship even if the series is not focused

[delicate lance]

I did those when they came out

[uncut oar]

Good for you ig I started just in time to coin pr2 and then watch coin get added to fdg

[sinful elk]

Hmm to get more tenrai?

[atomic abyss]

to get your hakuryuu and agir BPs too

[calm rose]

More BP for the ships in that generation too. If you need them

[delicate lance]

Dang

[valid vigil]

Bro, how much data for Azure lane now?

[delicate lance]

These would take years

[atomic abyss]

about 17gb

[sinful elk]

oh yeah now i realizes i have 143 sakura tech how am i suppose to even develop haku

[valid vigil]

srsly?

[calm rose]

Do it correctly, it shouldn't take years

[inner delta]

it's not 17

[delicate lance]

I dont play like hardcore ya know

[uncut oar]

You can get bps for her without having the tech, you'll get there by the time you have the bps

[calm rose]

There's queuing. Casually shouldn't take years too, to farm BP

[exotic wren]

....not 17

[sinful elk]

oh yeah forgot to ask if i retire a ship does the tech disappear along with the ship

[atomic abyss]

no

[inner delta]

mine is only 13

it's 100% not 17

[valid vigil]

Ok, tysm

[sinful elk]

I guess time to free some of my dock

[uncut oar]

You don't need years if you actually follow the instructions given rather than just do random bullshit because waifu tbh

[exotic wren]

This got most resources downloaded except, uhh the memories ye

[delicate lance]

sorry. too late

[uncut oar]

There's no such thing as too late, only "I still am not ready to listen"

[calm rose]

Do you wanna improve or just "too late"

[delicate lance]

i just wanna do it slow though

[uncut oar]

Then why are you complaining about it taking years

[calm rose]

Then take it slow...? Shouldn't take years even on a casual pace...

[uncut oar]

You made your bed, now go lay in it

[delicate lance]

alright alright

[uncut oar]

Also this, I've taken a multiple-month hiatus and still on pace to at least finish kears before pr7

[delicate lance]

cause i put my fleet on auto and just spam USS ships

[uncut oar]

Putting your fleet on auto is fine, being an ameribruh is less fine

(but your choice if you understand it's not optimal, just don't start regretting your life choices when trying to oneshot)

[steady beacon]

Tbf at least one WichiM fleet is 4 or 5/6 American

[calm rose]

Is coincidence

[uncut oar]

insert california-compliant fleet joke here

[delicate lance]

for fighters

farm for this right?
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Vought_XF5U_Flying_Flapjack_(Prototype)#Type_0-0

[delicate lance]

so basically all gearlab stuff are all baits?

[uncut oar]

What does being an eagle simp or that eagle simp bad for fleetbuilding have to do with gearlab

[delicate lance]

nono. i am asking cause i have alot of materials in to craft stuff

[strange sphinx]

hmmmm how effective is the UR subtorpedoes? niche or good?

[uncut oar]

Gearlab has some very good gear like wyvern, bidder, ryusei, 100kai, mk7 etc

[delicate lance]

and you dont have to be rude

[calm rose]

Check /gearlab at bot spam for more info

There are baits but not all of em

[uncut oar]

I am not, I was stating as a matter of fact that full uss fleet is generally bad, also you replied to something completely irrelevant to the question

[delicate lance]

when did i do that

LOL you reading right bruh?

[strange sphinx]

here we go again, I guess

[uncut oar]

Here, you replied to something completely unrelated to gearlab

Anyways on topic, gearlab has a lot of the good plane options in particular

[delicate lance]

i asked and is doing the things you guys adviced. But i dunno what's with that sentence LOL.

[calm rose]

@delicate lance I gave you an answer

[delicate lance]

not you

[late flame]

i would say its niche, but probably can be good if you have good cats

[calm rose]

Yes just calm down and move on is what I'm trying to say. Both of you

[uncut oar]

I also gave you an answer also I've been trying to go back on topic

[late flame]

in before yuki bonk

[delicate lance]

can't see the resolution

[atomic abyss]

open in browser

[calm rose]

Open in browser.

[uncut oar]

Or download picture if mobile

[delicate lance]

its blur as f

[uncut oar]

Discord compression is shit

[late flame]

download , then open in browser

[delicate lance]

tried

[vivid aspen]

hey guys, does UVH’s passive for dmg mitigation stack with Agir’s dmg mit?

[delicate lance]

same result

[uncut oar]

Have you tried zooming in

[calm rose]

Download it and zoom in lol

I just tried and it works

[atomic abyss]

looks clear to me

[exotic wren]

i am also zooming in and can't see shit

[late flame]

skill issue

[exotic wren]

we got shit phones brother

[uncut oar]

zoom out maybe

[calm rose]

phone issue

[shell willow]

if u click image link then rightclick it will open lower res version

[plain saffron]

zoom harder

[delicate lance]

that is the zoomed in version

[plain saffron]

in here you downloaded the preview version

[atomic abyss]

you're using the wrong zoom

you used the browser zoom lol

[plain saffron]

right click and open in new tab. not save to device

[atomic abyss]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

use this link directly

[zinc turret]

Click open in browser dont right click it

[late flame]

they should stack though its kinda trivial

[zinc turret]

My phone potatoo

[plain saffron]

you know phones and desktop works differently right

[late flame]

instructions unclear emulating phone on desktop

[plain saffron]

the problem here is that he downloaded the preview/thumbnail files

[patent pivot]

This is why I advocate for simply removing mobile, make all things operate like on desktop for ease of use

[zinc turret]

They talking about phone

[exotic wren]

Doesn't matter, I'm shit at using both🏃‍♂️

[plain saffron]

yeah just like my website, this is totally what i'm thinking about

[exotic wren]

Also add your website to your profile nagamon, I keep forgetting how to go there

[delicate lance]

thanks

i dunno why it does not work when i tried it

[patent pivot]

if (isMobile) {
     alert("mobile not supported")
     close()
}

[plain saffron]

done

[exotic wren]

dankee

[plain saffron]

2nd option

[whole crypt]

this is a minimum install after about a month

[plain saffron]

not so minimum

[patent pivot]

Too nice to them, don't let those fucks on phones get away so easily

[plain saffron]

since event story force download the sprites for ship you skipped you end up downloading it anyway

[whole crypt]

minimum enough compared to this

[vivid aspen]

thx

[calm rose]

noted will bring my desktop out next time

[delicate lance]

wait. so Tenrai beats the experimental SBC dive bombers in dps

I have been wasting my time crafting . . .

[calm rose]

What's that, golddiver?

[delicate lance]

that

[uncut oar]

Gold helldiver isn't worth crafting even without tenrai because it's a trivial upgrade over purple helldiver

[steady beacon]

Late but it is good provided you know what you are doing
Since there are a good many caveats attached to their effective use, including compensating for the lack of homing, accounting for the benchmarks needed to fire three rounds, and a few other intricate details
Basically, don't just slap it on any random submarine in any random situation and expect it to work

[delicate lance]

it says second best if (+13)

damn it. my life is a lie

[uncut oar]

Yes and you could be using those gold plates somewhere else

[strange sphinx]

[calm rose]

Normally we do purple helldiver until we get tenrai. We skip the golddiver

[uncut oar]

Which is why it's Not Good™️, cost performance is ass

Same with monarch gun (triple 381)

[strange sphinx]

How niche is the Sbd dauntless?

[calm rose]

How many did you make? The golddiver

[ember totem]

[steady beacon]

Do you mean the McClusky squadron one?

If so, uh... the short answer is just don't use it, really

[delicate lance]

think 3

[whole crypt]

golddiver was worth it for about... 7 months

[delicate lance]

yea that was the earlier days

[delicate lance]

I made 3 of those

but that was when it first came out

[strange sphinx]

so I might Use purple Hell diver for Enterprise, (Kinda gave my Tenrai in Yorktown II)

[steady beacon]

Purple Helldiver is fine, yes

[silk helm]

when did yall start investing into san diego?

[inland shoal]

Dunno, 2020?

[silk helm]

like after w12? or something?

[crimson glacier]

sandy is good in every world

[inland shoal]

I'd just invest in her when you feel you can afford the price

[silk helm]

and the most expensive thing is her retrofit item right?

[crimson glacier]

not really

the retrofit itself costs like 58k gold

and 3 bulins or sandy copies

[silent latch]

just got this ship, is it any good

[silk helm]

ya gotcha, i have more gold bulins than gold ships rn

[crimson glacier]

taihou is meh imo

[viscid swift]

it's the thing that's gonna present the most oppurtunity cost

[fringe thorn]

is wyvern getting nerf? it changed from Torp-Wyvern to Torp-Common

[crimson glacier]

well you can press that and see the dmg

looks like its the same dmg as before

[fringe thorn]

so just a text change?

[south sequoia]

Most likely

[crimson glacier]

probably a bug or something

[south sequoia]

Gears dont get nerfed in this game

[hard mesa]

i think its just wiki name to differentiate from others, i dont think it ever called wyvern in-game

[steady beacon]

Ye, like how the 1771 Firefly bomb is just 1000lb in the game, while differentiated in the wiki as "1000lb Bomb 1771"

[fringe thorn]

it's wyvern in old patch not the common

i check in the yt

[forest palm]

spearfish is common as well

[fringe thorn]

yeah

[steady beacon]

Bc Spear IS common

[plain saffron]

i don't remember it called wyvern tbh

ouh must be that update

they separate the weapon names to another file so the name prob accidentally got changed

[steady beacon]

[hard mesa]

i remembered wyvern trp name in moonrune on 1st release

[fringe thorn]

oh ok, im very confused a first when im compared wyvern and spearfish

[forest palm]

basically it's of little consequence

[plain saffron]

names doesn't represent the dmg yes, see the actual numbers

[steady beacon]

Wyvern torp is 340 --> 401
Spear (standard T3 parallel torp, used e.g. on gold Barra) is 288 --> 340

[half plover]

should I give up pulling emden by now? I have 350 cubes left

[balmy matrix]

Is there any decent purple parallel TB or they all just trash?

[steady beacon]

Purple Barra I suppose

It's usable, at least, at the stage of the game where it has to be used

[undone plover]

I would yes. Unless you really want her for some reason
Saving for future UR events and UR reruns is the better play

[viscid swift]

I would yes, now is not the time to be chasing that one ship who won't come home

[plain saffron]

can anyone screenshot me helena kai name ingame

[fringe thorn]

Like this?

[half plover]

ty

[crimson glacier]

🙂

[fringe thorn]

what's the best ship for attacking in pvp?

[steady beacon]

Check top pin in #pvp
But short answer, there is no single best ship
Just like with every other part of the game, synergy within a fleet is more important than any individual ship

[plain saffron]

thanks

[plain saffron]

how many torva do you have torva

[dense epoch]

am i doing something wrong i can't seem to change this?

[plain saffron]

are that actual unrenamed name?

[crimson glacier]

yes

[fringe thorn]

yeah

[crimson glacier]

all ships are name (Retrofit)

[calm rose]

There's only 1 fleet

[crimson glacier]

and idk like 70 or something

[plain saffron]

figured, now why there's the one without () in files

[dense epoch]

huh strange

[plain saffron]

what stage

[dense epoch]

B3 i cant do harder ones cause underleveled ships

[plain saffron]

also by can't change you mean the role?
yeah you can't bcs there's 1 fleet

how do you make the only fleet attack flagship only
who gonna attack escort

[calm rose]

Automatically all enemy if only 1 fleet

[dense epoch]

oh ok its weird i want to clear the map but once the flagship spawns it directly goes to it or is this a bad thing?

[plain saffron]

that is the design, it will rush boss

[calm rose]

That's how it work. If you wanna defeat all the escorts, you have to do it manually

[plain saffron]

click on the ? it should have full explanation

[fringe thorn]

i changed the name to default one and now im going to wait 29 days to change again 😦

im sad

[wind hazel]

why did you even change it lol

[plain saffron]

bruh

[calm rose]

For nagami

[ember totem]

something something curiosity killed the cat

[fringe thorn]

i think he want to see the helena kai so i change the name for him

[wind hazel]

you can check the original on archive -29days

[plain saffron]

that's a misunderstanding

[fringe thorn]

ohh yea i forgot

im dumb lol

[undone plover]

Can oscar and justice map skill proc together?

[steady beacon]

Can't proc together, but the proc judgment happens separately for each

[forest palm]

unnecessary frames wasted

[undone plover]

Oh interesting….
Why cant they proc together? Just coded that way?

[crimson glacier]

thats why

[forest palm]

they have their own unique animations that aren't skippable...don't they?

so they'd have to change how it functions fundamentally

[undone plover]

I see thanks

[fringe thorn]

at the W14-15 what ship should i use?

im stuck at W14-2

[knotty dome]

who is in the background of the new eldridge skin

[undone plover]

14 and 15 are different
Make a thread and post current fleets with dock

[viscid swift]

depends on what you have

[hot bobcat]

Well that was easy to get from w2-3. Okay, now... theseus, nelson, saratoga.. who else be good to add on the pre-planned out fleet 2?

[silent latch]

is cleveland good

[viscid swift]

don't worry about a 2nd fleet when you haven't even max limit broken your first fleet yet, don't try to run a marathon before you can walk

also, I said not farm her yesterday....

[viscid swift]

not particularly

[left cedar]

decent all around, gud for nothing

[silent latch]

thanks

[steady beacon]

Pre sure it's Sara

[hot bobcat]

Whoops. Oh well, at least ill have a free LB for her waiting

[plain saffron]

:SaraWink:

[vale spindle]

Saratoga

[fringe thorn]

Sorry for taking so long im farming the D3, here's the fleet i have. Is it good?

Fleet 1 is mob and fleet 6 is boss

What should i change?

[viscid swift]

no

just no

[fringe thorn]

No?

[undone plover]

Helena in mob is weird
Your vanguard is a bit weak overall and can be improved
Make a thread and post dock

[viscid swift]

no, it's not good

[fringe thorn]

Maybe im playing auto

[viscid swift]

what

[zinc turret]

there is basically 1 fleet so u cant change anything , all enemy mean it will kill the escort till the boss spawn then it will target the boss ( if there are fleet blocking ur path to the boss it will kill the blocking escort first) its doesnt mean it will kill all the escort ship before target the boss

[viscid swift]

we assume auto play by default and it still doesn't make Helena on mobbing a remotely good choice

[fringe thorn]

Oh okay

[viscid swift]

just start a thread and post your dock, this needs a top to bottom rework

[fringe thorn]

Here's my dock

[plain saffron]

all of it

[viscid swift]

I mean all URs and SRs

[forest palm]

sort out Rares, and commons

[fringe thorn]

oh okay

[viscid swift]

new ships will have to be leveled for this

[fringe thorn]

What should i use

I dont have many much gear so idk

[viscid swift]

when I say everything I do mean everything but eh
do you have Aquila or Volga

[fringe thorn]

no

[fringe thorn]

sorry it's just my phone

[stiff isle]

W12+ Fleet Building Help

[viscid swift]

Mob: Bismarck Zwei, Unicorn retro, Shinano, Laffey 2, Yuudachi, Unzen
Boss: Musashi, Implacable, Enterprise, Kronshtadt, Shimakaze, Anchorage

[knotty dome]

thanks, and to nagamii and sam too

[fringe thorn]

oh i see the guy start threat send like that so i should send like him right?

wait a sec

[plain saffron]

please don't threat me

[fringe thorn]

Here

[viscid swift]

in a thread....

[plain saffron]

btw next time you need to make the thread 1st then send in there

[fringe thorn]

oh okay sorry

[plain saffron]

not much question rn so it's fine i guess

[undone plover]

for future reference this is where u can start a thread
might be different on mobile tho

[forest palm]

it's a bit silly on mobile

[viscid swift]

gear should look something like that

[fringe thorn]

thanks i don't know much about discord mobile

[visual iron]

does the first wave of torpedoes have +1.5s cooldown similar to battleship/airstrike cooldown

[fringe thorn]

tysm i really appreciate

[kind slate]

how long of the event do we have left?

[fringe thorn]

around 16 hours left

[fringe thorn]

is that site you use is good for tier list and equipment?

[polar venture]

How good are the event units?

[slender heart]

For who? I don't get it. Does that +1.5s similar to bb jamming or what? If that is it, last time i saw torp jamming was mogador

[wispy pendant]

Old rerun of ancient sms ships. Seydlitz is decent speed mobbing and some pvp, emden is kms buffer with decent damage for a gold, but not very relevant compared to other choices in most fleets.

[slender heart]

Kinda depends on your dock really

[spring bolt]

btw, is there a new fleet tool for EN? the old one i know seems outdated long ago

[plain saffron]

yes

https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/

[steady beacon]

Think they mean the +1.5s added on the traneptora calculator to account for the fact that there's a delay between entry into battle and the battle actually "starting"
Jamming is another thing

[spring bolt]

thanks mate

[steady beacon]

Short answer, the +x-second delay is applied to ALL weapons on entry, but the actual value of x is not always 1.5

[slender heart]

Ahh okay

[slender heart]

School me on this, not sure i understand that fully

[steady beacon]

It's basically the disclaimer at the bottom (note btw that the difference between "Airstrike Cooldown" and "Airstrike First Cooldown" is 1.5s)
Certain fights can be weird and lag can produce some small differences
One painful recent example being all the Alsace order switching shenanigans (where in one test she fires second, then in the next test with absolutely nothing changed she fires first)

Also what Nagami said

[plain saffron]

why it's set to 1.5, idk ask devs

[slender heart]

And about this not always 1.5s? Is it latency? And just latency?

[steady beacon]

Correct me if I'm wrong Nagami, but PvP doesn't have the 1.5s at all does it?

[plain saffron]

iirc it's set as 1.5 so it just your game laggy that makes it not really 1.5

[slender heart]

Gotcha, tysm for the explanation
You too @steady beacon

[plain saffron]

tbh i don't pay attention

[steady beacon]

The serenity strats

[vestal fossil]

what's the best thing to get from gear lab?
i've never made something there and i dont have much good gear
what would be a gear that could carry me to chapter 12 or something?

[steady beacon]

/gearlab Check this

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[steady beacon]

Oh huh
Sam updated it already

[uneven badger]

which is stronger, ark royal or essex

[soft raft]

They uh
Do different things

Ark Royal if you need Slow utility (Only relevant in OpSI)
Essex if you need a damage CV and lack better options

[uneven badger]

hmm

what cv should i put with essex

or just put other battleships

[soft raft]

idk when we dont know who you have
Just make a thread and post your dock there (and also specify the content you're doing)

[uneven badger]

uh these are the strongest i have

[soft raft]

what content are you doing?

[bright tusk]

is USS submarine fleet best? (flasher, archerfish, albacore w augment) or should i replace one with da vinci or u556 meta?

[uneven badger]

just campaign fleet

[soft raft]

It's marginally better than Wolfpack, replacing either of them with DV or U556M would be slightly worse than both

[viscid swift]

you'll see at best a single digit percent difference so I wouldn't bother raising one if you have the other

[mellow hornet]

plymouth has more dps and survivability than san diego retro and aug but san has more AA?

[soft raft]

They're pretty close on DPS (but San Diego has less DPS) after Sandy Aug but yes that's one way to put it

[spring bolt]

normally people will also consider ply's damage buff for flag bb/bc/bbv

[eternal basalt]

[viscid swift]

hey, that was from JP

[steady beacon]

Ye, there was indeed nothing mentioned in JP (or CN for that matter)
Someone pointed out to me it's probably because both have only one timezone that is expected to be relevant

[reef flume]

I know this might sound stupid but:

In the gear lab, what gear types (CL, CA, BB, CV etc) should I focus more on to make both for OpSi and campaign? Please avoid asking questions such like "what gears you have" or "depends on what you need" because I don't have many good gears and I need overall few of all. So yeah, what do you recommend me?

[viscid swift]

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[mellow hornet]

what pr 6 ship should i focus on first?

[forest palm]

Shimanto

[mellow hornet]

she seems like a worse san diego?

[static dome]

she's better

[steady beacon]

Well, she often fulfills a similar role to Sandy, but she brings other things to the table that help her to stand out

[cobalt rapids]

as far as dmg and aa goes yes

[steady beacon]

Def not an open-and-shut case of superiority/inferiority

[undone plover]

sandy is good, 2 sandy is better

[visual iron]

do timed skills like every 10s or 20s start counting from 0s or after the 1.5s?

[frigid linden]

Please Help Build Fleets

[steady beacon]

It depends

[cobalt rapids]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Ymiros/Skill_Delay heres a WIP list

[steady beacon]

And I think to this day we aren't quite sure why some skills count from 0 and others count from some later time

[strange sphinx]

I need help

[steady beacon]

Nice, so there isn't a 1.5s delay in exercise, as I suspected

[strange sphinx]

GIVE ME OIL GUYS

[plain saffron]

there's prob a diff, but i didn't dig too much

[steady beacon]

Isn't it just something in the code?
But like, there's no reason we know of for why some count differently?

[strange sphinx]

yoh umi, someone's needs help in Thread

[plain saffron]

prob depends on the type buff itself or the trigger idk

i've been busy with something else

[cobalt rapids]

what thread

[strange sphinx]

hmmm how do you reply with thread

[inland shoal]

Well yesn't? It must have something to do with combat initilisation but there's no clear wait for 1.5 seconds rly

[steady beacon]

[strange sphinx]

oh well might just ping you there but there's already one person... still gonna continue?

[cobalt rapids]

https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/1255553397629649107 this thread?

[strange sphinx]

yep

[cobalt rapids]

i believe cheeky got it covered

[vagrant spoke]

What would it take for me to beat stage two of the final opsi boss?

[strange sphinx]

[cobalt rapids]

harbiter? proper fleets and gear

[inland shoal]

Btw if you think anyone cares or also to help Naga in case he ever wants to look into it feel free to share my little writeup for the battle startup
(I'm not on pc and won't be for quite a while so just saying this before I forget)

[stark quiver]

was there event before rondo rerun

[vagrant spoke]

Will I need a full four fleets for that boss

[soft raft]

wdym
Like new events besides Alsace?

[stark quiver]

the one directly before this one

was it alsace?

[soft raft]

yes

[stark quiver]

yea cuz i was wondering what set me back 200 cubes

[cobalt rapids]

battlestate(facade).calcUpdate (command added to commandList in battlestate.EnterBattle) -> ControllerWeaponCommand.Update -> ManualWeaponAutoBot.Update -> fleetVO.QuickTagChrageWeapon -> fireChargeWeapon -> PlayerWeaponVO.PlayFocus(starts to slow, 0.1s delay) -> PointHitWeaponUnit.DispatchBlink -> PlayerCharacter.onCastBlink -> Character.AddFX -> something something callback after animation (15 frames = 0.05s thx to slowdown) -> WeaponUnit.Fire -> WeaponUnit.DispatchFireEvent -> Event.UnitEvent.FIRE -> Character.onCannonFire -> something something; WeaponUnit.DoAttack -> all major emitters .Ready; .Fire

this thingy ?

[inland shoal]

Uhh no that's just a single time BB guns firing
I meant the startup.lua pseudocode file

[fresh tangle]

Is the operation siren logger for 5000 oil worth it or is that and end game oil sink for players?

[weak turret]

Does Alsace outclass/replace any of the other UR battleships? I’m considering where to put my UR bullins

[steady beacon]

It is kind of both
It is worth it if you don't want to/are unable to grind OpSi the usual way, but the steep oil cost means that it is most often used by endgame players who have too much oil and are lazy to do OpSi

[whole crypt]

it depends, some players don't mind spending a bit more time on OS and save the oil for grinding
some people don't want to waste time on OS and use the logger to auto through it instead

[fresh tangle]

Ah ok. I’m just doing opsi now and only have 45 zones cleared

[cobalt rapids]

@plain saffron on thorins orders

[whole crypt]

but endgame is never going to be too much oil when you're tech grinding

[blazing shale]

If your fleets can farm opsi then its worth it imo
After all it's just 5k

[reef flume]

Alsace > NJ

[steady beacon]

Definitively outclass or replace, no
Roughly speaking, Alsace is about on par with Bismarck, Soyuz, Vanguard, (and Musashi against heavy and possibly medium)

[plain saffron]

can't believe thorin cheating on me 😔

[weak turret]

Damn aight I guess I’ll have to swap that out, liked my NJ tho

[soft raft]

that's karma for you cheating on Saratoga smh my head
Do better

[weak turret]

Ngl I kept my NJ and musashi as my main battleships probs for too long XD

[reef flume]

I use both of them (they are the only URs BBs I have)

[steady beacon]

Also Kear but we don't talk about that here

[whole crypt]

shaking your head your head?

[fresh tangle]

Definitely not. Tried an arbiter with my rag tag fleets and barely made it

[weak turret]

Man I gotta actually do op si but I’m so lazy XD

[red stirrup]

is the top one for damage and the bottom one for ships that want to fire fast?

[reef flume]

Cool

[weak turret]

Kinda curious how far I can get in the campaign without using gear lab and op si tho

[soft raft]

top is for Anti-light armor bossing
bottom is for mobbing

At least that's the main ways those two are used on the regular

[cobalt rapids]

at the very least to w15

[reef flume]

Rn I'm playing OpSi just to ger resources for Gear Lab. I really need more and more good gears

[whole crypt]

I can auto whole of OS without issue but 5k oil is a lot of runs of 12-1/13-1/14-1

[eager mulch]

[weak turret]

Fair enough, I’m just very lazy and I make do with event and research gear

[crimson glacier]

yeah 5k is way too high of a price for nothing

[weak turret]

So basically most of my fleet is fine cept the AA is not top tier, and carrier aviation is meh

[crimson glacier]

i rather just wait for the free radar scans

[whole crypt]

5k oil for a bit of convenience and less looking/tapping 🤷‍♂️

[fresh tangle]

Think I’m just gonna Manual opsi another month and reevaluate. Too many things to do with oil atm

The lowly little noob I am with only Alsace and Mogador for URs I’m just getting started

[weak turret]

Oh also when do I want to give my battleships AP guns, do I just need to check which boss is heavy armor or is there a map past which I should swap?

[crimson glacier]

AP is the more common one

[reef flume]

Btw earlier I fought a lvl 118 boss in OpSi. My current main (Alsace, NJ, Enty) are lvl 107, 125 and 120 while my vanguard fleet (Agir, Mogador, Sandy) are lvl 100, lvl 97 and lvl 98. These three lost half of their life but I won. Dunno if this is good or bad tho

[crimson glacier]

its nothing

your fleet couldnt do anything hard if thats what you are asking

[whole crypt]

118 should be a c4 enforcer? unless your adapts were low should have rolled over it without much trouble

[blazing shale]

Yeah once your endgame's gud, you can think of it as QoL

[inland shoal]

For me that nothing makes the difference between half the zones cleared at the end of the month and all zones cleared after like 2-3 days
Ain't got time to babysit that dog gamemode

[crimson glacier]

it maybe takes like a week for me to clear all explorables

[whole crypt]

you can actually enter every zone then recon them even without free recon and it'll probably cost less than 5k oil for the AP refills

[crimson glacier]

there just isnt any benefit in rushing opsi from what i can see

[undone plover]

i think lvl 118 are the promoted pawns in explorable c6 zones

[fresh tangle]

C4 enforcers should be easy right? Just trying to gauge where I’m at

[undone plover]

adaptive tuning is fine yes
depends on your fleet level and composition -+ gear at this point

[fresh tangle]

Trial and error time

[whole crypt]

maybe, but like torv said, all it tells us is the fleet will struggle with the harder stuff in OS

[inland shoal]

Yeah but clearing all imporeant stuff in a month is still a good idea
For sure not spending the 5k oil is more worth it. But you gotta have the time/patience to click through al the zones

[undone plover]

u should try all enforcers regardless tbh
c5 and c6 give rewards at 80% 50% 20% HP
so even if u dont kill u will get a lot of rewards

[wanton smelt]

Is toolkit the best hp gear? If not, ưhich hp gears are superior to it?

[whole crypt]

toolkit is the best accessible HP gear

[inland shoal]

Eh only in "short" bosses can other hp gears be better

[whole crypt]

in most cases the regen isn't that relevant

[wanton smelt]

I have been played casually for quite long so I should have most hp gears in game.

But I don't know which one worth using. Up until now I just slap toolkit and call it a game.

[whole crypt]

toolkits are fine, other options kind of depends

there's also of course the case of whether you know you want a HP aux or EVA aux, or whether you need defensive auxes at all

[tired condor]

does this give tech

[crimson glacier]

no

[soft raft]

Muse and child ships do not give tech
That could change in the future but for the time being, nope

[tired condor]

dam garbage

who should I get in shipyard other than fdg? I have Anchorage and monarch

[autumn matrix]

Good Day i am new to the game and got lutzow is she good for the start of the game?

[soft raft]

Very meh

Give this a read too
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[tawdry sluice]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[vagrant spoke]

When a skill says that it does not stack with another skill, which skill gets priority?

[soft raft]

if you're talking about Air Raid assitance, prob the first one that was placed in the fleet idk

if you're talking about supporting wings, the one that's in the fleet doing the fighting takes precedent

[plain saffron]

higher lvl, same lvl will refresh the duration if applicable

so in case of 2 ARA with same lvl activating as same time, practically just 1 ARA proc

[vagrant spoke]

Ah I sees

Is there any way of turning off ships selected into formation first filtering in dockyard

[sweet delta]

no way in the usual accessibledockyards

[strange sphinx]

what time maintenance tomorrow?

[strange sphinx]

Ara Ara

[atomic abyss]

server reset

[strange sphinx]

Pfp though

[strange sphinx]

3:00 pm for me, ok

[craggy lance]

Usually ends ~10am eastern in my experience

[strange sphinx]

11:00 pm for me

[zinc turret]

oh shit right today is last day of the event