gameplay-help

[sharp socket]

this is catchup for me

[leaden wigeon]

Do the DRs for check up

[remote yarrow]

He maybe wants to unlock a ship for the mission then dev 30 it and then use catchup to get 1500 protocore

[keen sable]

You will need to do pr3 catchup eventually and it will likely be on your first pr3...

[sharp socket]

u misunderstand both of u

[leaden wigeon]

What do want to know about the data packs or the blueprint cheackup?

[sharp socket]

i need to build a pr3 ship to get these prints for protocore

so im asking which pr3 ship gives me the most value

[remote yarrow]

Probably Cheshire then

[sharp socket]

so that i can feed 2 birds with one scone

[sweet delta]

kill

[leaden wigeon]

Okay now I get it ya just do whichever one you will have an easiest time unloking because it just has to be anyone

[keen sable]

What 2 birds...

[wind hazel]

feed 2 birds with 1 kill?

[remote yarrow]

Who are we killing

[sweet delta]

kill 2 birds with one scone

[leaden wigeon]

Stone

[sharp socket]

its a thing my mom said about reducing violence in your words that just sounds funny

[remote yarrow]

gascone

[soft raft]

ok

[keen sable]

Scones are pretty dense

[inner delta]

[leaden wigeon]

I work as a cook specifically baking then is no way your killing most birds with a properly cook scone

[sharp socket]

so anyway its cheshire right

[soft raft]

anyways this is GPH

[leaden wigeon]

Yes in terms of value but I would suggest you just get the one that's easiest to unlock for you so you can get it done fastest

[sharp socket]

catgirl with schrodingers reverse bunny suit alright ty

[sharp token]

after i got my tenrai what should i priotize next?

[leaden wigeon]

Do you use BB or CVs

And from the shop or research

[sharp token]

more on CVs

[sharp token]

from proto

[leaden wigeon]

Then I would say Plymoth gun but it's more your decision

[plain saffron]

/protocore

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Guide.jpeg

[dense epoch]

how long is canpaign?

[remote yarrow]

15 Worlds/Chapters

[soft raft]

There are 15 campaign worlds
And hard mode goes up to 13

[zinc turret]

5 chapter

at opsi

[soft raft]

He wasn't asking about Opsi tho

[clever lance]

I’m looking at the gear guide.. and for the bb/bc section

The descriptions all say best BB gun

[frank pulsar]

is guam gun at +10 or agir gun at +13 better

[clever lance]

There isn’t a bc section… are they just both the same?

[soft raft]

That's because the only real distinction between BB and BC is for hard mode requirements

[viscid swift]

The differences between a BC and a BB don't exactly translate well into AL

[sweet delta]

stella does 10% more damage

[finite crag]

If i dont have a 2nd hinden gun whats the next best gun for hindenburg

[frank pulsar]

drake gun, for light its unzen gun

[finite crag]

Cool thanks

[sharp socket]

will i need a plygun for w14

or can i just use 155 kai and pray its enough

for BB secondary

[soft raft]

155 kai worked perfectly fine long before Plygun even existed

[keen sable]

You don't need either

[sharp socket]

alright thats great

im gonna make 155 kai anyway when i have enough mats after allocation because itchy finger

[opaque galleon]

When autosearching, do I do secured, hidden or explorable?

[remote yarrow]

To do what?

[opaque galleon]

In opsi, you can specify if you want to do a hidden/explorable/secured zone when autosearching, idk what’s best though

[wind hazel]

i usually do exploreable>hidden>secured

[remote yarrow]

Explorable is for dark blue zones that you haven't explored
Hidden is for the ones with Yellow Chests on them
Secured is to repeat an already explored zone you are on (mostly done on C5 to burn AP when you are done with everything else)

[opaque galleon]

You can burn ap on repeating explorable zones if you specify which type when doing autosearch

[wind hazel]

if you fully explored, you can't do that lol

just explore until entire maps are explored, then do hidden

[opaque galleon]

Oh I’ve been doing random unsecured zones, bruh

[remote yarrow]

Read my message again I edited it

[opaque galleon]

Yeah, ik, I found the strategic search tabs earlier and was like “whoa, I can repeat explorable zones?” Turns out I was autosearching random unexplored zones

So that’s my mistake I guess

[remote yarrow]

What most ppl do is
Explore all the map > do all Hidden Zones, Abyssals,Strongholds, Arbiter,etc > Burn AP on a Secured C5 zone

While also doing dailies ofc

[opaque galleon]

Yeah, I already do that, I just momentarily thought I found something I overlooked for months

[plain saffron]

You want to secure all insecured zones

[remote yarrow]

We need an in depth opsi guide

[plain saffron]

More like tutorial

[remote yarrow]

That also works

[wind hazel]

time to make one and get purple name

[sharp socket]

celerio’s funky opsi guide

1. buy logger
2. explore c4 zones and do all c4 and lower hidden zones
3. explore c5/c6 zones and also buy more hidden zones from port shop
4. buy adaptive tuning from port shop until good enough for stronghold/abyssal if needed
5. farm everything and buy everything from port shop ez

[wind hazel]

bad guide at #4

starting off opsi with c5/c6 is also questionable...

[remote yarrow]

What if I don't wanna use 5k oil for logger

[wind hazel]

just manual it

[remote yarrow]

Also #2 is

[sharp socket]

its fine because logger

[wind hazel]

that's irrelevant to the issue

[remote yarrow]

Just get like 2k AP and let it autoexplore overnight

If you get 5k oil logger ofc

[opaque galleon]

Don’t you have to press a button every time you clear a zone?

[remote yarrow]

Nope

If your settings are set correctly you don't need to

[sharp socket]

i adjusted my guide

[opaque galleon]

Which is the setting that lets me skip pressing the text box that says “let’s leave the zone…”

[sharp socket]

so i just write this into a full doc and i get purple

[ember totem]

turn on less TB guidance in your game options

[keen sable]

dont help me

[viscid swift]

Turn on reduce TB guidance

[remote yarrow]

Reduce TB guidance in game settings and for Explorable I use
All Zones, Continue,No,Never,No
I don't remember if the last one even matters

For the second one you can use Stop strategic search to check if Akashi has AP refills or whatnot but you will need to put it to explore again

[opaque galleon]

Thanks, this will be helpful

[remote yarrow]

Same works for Hidden if you have the logger that is bought with Vouchers

Tho you will get "stuck" inside a zone if you run out of AP before all your Hidden loggers are used and you will need to exit through the portal manually before resuming

@opaque galleon

[sharp socket]

also i dont see a problem with buying adaptive tuning from port shop because im about to clean the shop anyway, cause you just get to do harder zones sooner

[wind hazel]

because it's a waste to buy them

you get enough from exploration, so kinda pointless buying them

[sharp socket]

the only thing left is half the meta shop mats for me

[wind hazel]

without buying

[sweet delta]

Clearing all explorable zones only gives 90/90/90

[wind hazel]

those are the fixed ones no? you get more from those spots that give tuning

[sharp socket]

im lazy, with buying its still more than enough

[sweet delta]

That's insignificant unless you farm secured zones, and people seem to like recommending not doing secured zones until the end of the month

[plain saffron]

That's like 73(?) Additional stats

Unexplored

[sharp socket]

i didnt bother with clearing explorable c3 and below zones because they give poor mats

[novel condor]

y not just clear em

[remote yarrow]

And so you had to buy adapts

[sweet delta]

Some of them give AP though

[wind hazel]

c3 give cats no?

[sharp socket]

i still clear shop

[novel condor]

Iirc no?

[wind hazel]

they do

they dont?

[sharp socket]

auto search doesnt have option for c3 and above

[wind hazel]

go into secured c3, finish it, repeat this zone

[remote yarrow]

I don't get the point of skipping C1 2 and 3

Sometimes they give AP so you can keep on exploring

[sharp socket]

my idea was that it doesnt give gold materials

unless it does then ill do it

[novel condor]

Forgot

[wind hazel]

im actually not confident that they do now

[silver lintel]

Just do all zones, c1/2/3 gives ap boxes, also needs to clear 50 zones for shop unlock

[novel condor]

Iirc they don't, cats appear sometimes on C4, C5 and C6 usually

[warm flax]

Would Aquila still be viable without Musashi?

[wind hazel]

yes

[sharp socket]

35 c4+ zones and 15 c3 zones alr

[clever sun]

Hey

When will the next event release?

[remote yarrow]

This Thursday if I'm not mistaken

[steady beacon]

Indeed

[sharp socket]

it seems like my special token income mightve been skewed due to one time rewards

but im still confident you can clear shop without those 1 time rewards and buying tuning

though i dont think the average player is willing to play opsi for 100 hours every month

relax i only did at most 40 hours so far, though i did do most of that in 1 week

[steady beacon]

You don't have to do that much OpSi just to get enough tokens to clear shop tbh

And you can automate so much of it that you can just leave it running in the background while you do other stuff

[remote yarrow]

My concern is why clear Meta shop

[sharp socket]

some people like meta faction ships perhaps

[sweet delta]

Bearn meta didn't come with free mats like showdown metas do

[sharp socket]

for me im just waiting for a meta ship thats good enough to use in my fleets, so i just stack mats

[remote yarrow]

Eh, fair enough, but don't you get enough materials from Cruise pass normally?

And meta fights themselves

@ suchi btw

[sharp socket]

i havent checked in some time so i dont know

[remote yarrow]

Meaning the question was for you

[sharp socket]

clearing meta shop is just the side bonus, the main thing is more gearlab mats for spending all the AP you get on c5 zones

[sweet delta]

If we take a look at the handy wiki page, cruise gives a pittance of meta mats

And showdown probably doesn't cover or just covers that showdown's ship

[remote yarrow]

Aight

[plain saffron]

Who is cm last month

[stark quiver]

Takao

[plain saffron]

Thanks

[fresh tangle]

Next reset I’m gonna figure out the automation for opsi. I just manual a couple zones when I’m out of oil

[fresh tangle]

My bearn meta is 100 and destroying 110+. Easily one of the better meta ships I’ve seen so far in my couple months

[stark quiver]

Btw are you making a cm stat site

[sweet delta]

https://azurlane.nagami.moe/expedition-info?id=5104

[stark quiver]

Nice

[covert phoenix]

Anyone have a Wichita Meta one-shot setup for 4 Hellcats? Turns out I don't have 5

[steady beacon]

Just swap a Bf109G for the fifth one
Probably in Yorktown's slot 1 (lowest efficiency x number of planes)
Depending on how many are at +13, this may just change the SG proc requirement from 2 to 3 (or make 2 more RNG-dependent)

[covert phoenix]

All 4 of them are at +13

[steady beacon]

Good stuff then
As far as I can see from testing, 2 SG with 5 +13 HVARs seems to overkill a little bit, so swapping for a +13 Bf109G should probably still keep the 2 SG threshold, possibly up to a little RNG

And if you have better vanguard equipment than I do, the situation should be even more favourable

[covert phoenix]

Even without oaths? (Only Helena and Yorktown 2 are oathed for me)

[crimson glacier]

how do you even use 5

[steady beacon]

Hard for me to say bc I don't have them unoathed... my guess is that unoathed probably will make 2 SG more RNG-dependent, but you probably can still kill with good enough rolls
The real snag I'm thinking of is how much it affects Ply bc anecdotally she seems to die noticeably earlier when unoathed, but that may just be wacky RNG or something

[dapper fox]

anyway tips on maximising exp for frontline ships?

[crimson glacier]

do you just use 2 carriers with kear or something

[steady beacon]

Ye

Don't have 2 Mk 7 at +13 so I don't really want to use the Alsace variant

[blissful hamlet]

MVP control is not worth it unless you know what you're doing

[plain saffron]

Depends on my mood

All the stats already there. Just no filters or whatever it's called

[paper lantern]

so what happens if i already own the cleveland skin from the current event

does the skin reward get replaced with something like credits or what

[steady beacon]

Ye, you get 2000 coins

[plain saffron]

You get coins

[lament bay]

does 13-4 hard move give more core data than 13-1 hard mode?

[atomic abyss]

no

[shell willow]

theres no system in place yet to lock equipped gear on a fleet for specific content, right?

[plain saffron]

Yes

[hollow gust]

[atomic rock]

mb

[plain saffron]

What did i miss

[wary timber]

So I cobbled together what extra equipment I got to arm Lutzow with. Yea I don't have an augment but is there anything u all would recommend for me to do once I can get more proper equipment for her? (Minus the augment stuff)

[atomic abyss]

i'd argue the only things passable here are the purple fcr and the main gun

white and black shells for auxes as always

lacking the gold ones, purple white shell will do

actually

why are you even using lutzow...?

[wary timber]

D3

And also to get exp for Agir

[atomic abyss]

might as well use seydlitz who's better anyways

[wary timber]

D3 needs a BC

[atomic abyss]

yeah?

[wary timber]

In which my Seydlitz is still lv1

[atomic abyss]

well lutzow is shit
but if you want to use her well

[remote yarrow]

Yeah should've probably went for Seyd instead but w/e you already got her MLB

[atomic abyss]

give her a pair of shells

use secondary guns that actually give good FP

twin 100 barely gives any FP

[wary timber]

Hmm

[atomic abyss]

there are purple guns that give more FP

[wary timber]

At this point. That 100mm is all I have left

The rest are Benson/Fletcher guns

[atomic abyss]

no twin 120?

[wary timber]

None left

[sweet epoch]

for w15 carrier fleet thing should i use all Flapjacks, Fw190A5s or Skyrockets

[atomic abyss]

ideally flapjacks

[sweet epoch]

i can afford the 6 but should i

[rapid grail]

flapjacks are best, relatively speaking
more realistically (due to heavy investment), you could employ a mix of any of these planes and still be fine w/ w15 clear difficulty

I personally prefer 3 flapjacks and 3 purple FWs on the support CVs, despite being able to afford more. I', lazy

[sweet epoch]

thats the planes off the checklist

[balmy matrix]

Is this good for cl main gun?

[atomic abyss]

no
but it can be upgraded in gearlab to be a pretty good BB secondary

[ember totem]

bad for main cl gun
good for BB secondary

if you upgrade it in the Gear Lab (IJN's one), you can upgrade it into a pretty good CL main gun

[balmy matrix]

Aight got it

[hollow gust]

155 normal is fine early on

[jovial cosmos]

Do dorm always require food to restore morale and gain passive XP? Obviously, didn't supply foods will not grant you passive XP, but can it still be use to restore morale alone?

[atomic abyss]

no food is needed to restore morale
you get 25% of your passive exp gain without food btw

[jovial cosmos]

Oh, thanks a lot, I've been wasting my food then

[atomic abyss]

i mean 25% is smol

[plain saffron]

No you're not wasting it

Food are meant to be used in dorm

[zinc turret]

what else u gonna do with the food if u not stock it at ur dorm

[halcyon bay]

Is there autosafe fleet for current event ex stage

[jovial cosmos]

I mean, right now i am constantly running out of my ship food and i sometimes wasted oil to get it because i didn't know morale gain isn't tied to food

I could have ask earlier

[novel condor]

Well now u know at least

[zinc turret]

if ur morale low just touch grass and all of ur ship that not in dorm will regen up to 119 and the one in dorm will be regen up to 150

[dense finch]

How to increase the total TRP value? I don’t have any stronger ship having Torperdo as secondary weapon?

[balmy matrix]

Is dive bomber with 2×1600 lb bomb worth it?

[plain saffron]

/reqhelp

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Hard_Mode_Req_Help.jpeg

[atomic abyss]

btd destroyer? no it's shit

[zinc turret]

those 4 must be DD if u need high torp / if u lack of torp stat

[balmy matrix]

Even it's gold?

[atomic abyss]

gold =/= good

[dense finch]

What does DD mean?

[atomic abyss]

especially in early game

for example, all gold BB guns from tech boxes are garbage

[atomic abyss]

destroyers

[dense finch]

So I need to replace these ships by destroyers?

[zinc turret]

yea kinda since DD have highest torp stat

[dense finch]

Just to be sure, I need to search for destroyer ships with the secondary weapon being torpedo?

[atomic abyss]

all destroyers have torpedoes

[thorny laurel]

Anyone know why agir retreats at 1 bar in the SP stage?

[atomic abyss]

sparring match or sth

you still win anyways

[plain saffron]

Stage gimmick

At least it's just the boss

[zinc turret]

charibdis suck btw

[plain saffron]

Pick 1 ship and equip gold oxytorp from sakura boxes. Should be enough

+10 it

[zinc turret]

doubt he have it

i dont even have it and im lv 85

[valid apex]

just buy the ur one in coreshop imo, its easier to get and it makes it easy to first clear the sub mission in daily raid anyway

[south sequoia]

It costs a lot of core to grab and if a person is struggling to reach trp requirements in their stage of the game I doubt they'd have the room to save cores to buy a UR Oxy

[zinc turret]

most player recommend me to grab 2-3 set of black n white shell before get anything else tho

[south sequoia]

yeah exactly

you also have independence to grab

[valid apex]

just saying it is easier to get compared to try to get the gold version from box, if you dont have enough core to spare for ur version, I doubt you have enough gold sakura boxes to open as well. If you have other important things to buy first, you buy those first. Black shell is good but personally I dont find myself using much black shell anymore. Most of my bb are on fire control + white shell nowadays.

[south sequoia]

Here is the thing, gold sakura boxes are easier to access
and beginners don't have the luxury of grabbing multiple fire control radars
And black+white is stilll being used to this day if you need to adjust stuff

[valid apex]

I know, I am just telling him so that he dont buy too much of it. FYI, I had like 6 black shells in depot lying around cause I dont really used them much anymore. He could have saved his cores and just stop at 2-3 black shells instead

[plain saffron]

But 2-3 sets is 2-3 black shell

Sets is black+white

[whole crypt]

sup mogs

[plain saffron]

Sup

[cobalt rapids]

Hello

[shell willow]

is it more likely for new event to come out this week or next week?

[plain saffron]

This

[whole crypt]

will probably give no-helena kearsarge mixed comp a shot tonight

[plain saffron]

Quyet fleet?

[whole crypt]

did quyet use it?

[plain saffron]

Idk

Which fleet is this?

[whole crypt]

nga has it listed somewhere and kurozukirei also gave it a toss

https://youtu.be/mYZT3YfgRAE?si=LmSqSQUaO9imbnM_

[south sequoia]

I assume mogador is there to proc stuff for alsace?

[whole crypt]

probably, she also survives surprisingly well since her skill can skip chains and there's the invul thing if she takes too much mid-lunge

[south sequoia]

she also blocks some bullets

[warm flax]

Is this vanguard viable with any fleet

[whole crypt]

will find out tonight I guess

if you mean the setup in that vid there's not much point using it outside of Alsace

[steady beacon]

That's quite interesting, please let me know how it goes
Idt I can replicate though, with half the +13 guns missing
But I want to include it as an option if it can work out for those with enough

[whole crypt]

CN version and the one kurozuki used aren't exactly the same

[steady beacon]

Eh, minor differences probably due to preference more than anything else
Same with my interpretation of CV 3-strike

[whole crypt]

main fleet is basically the same since none of them need anything with flag, I'm more curious which layout of vanguards will last longer/do more on average

[steady beacon]

It all depends on how quickly Mog collapses tbh
If she lasts a long time, I'd put Guam centre
Need multiple tests to figure it out tbh

Incidentally, when you were having troubles keeping Ply alive in the CV 3-strike Helena comp, was it with manjuu Implac + double cata YII?

[whole crypt]

should have been since I didn't work with 4 strikes

[silent latch]

are starter ships good

[whole crypt]

usable through midgame and you'll need to raise them anyway for newbie missions

[steady beacon]

Nah, mine is 3-strike also but I went with double cata Implac + beacon YII + 17 RLD Kear
Still does 2 SG fine, but from my testing it seems that the airstrike times when faster produce better screenclears because the vanguard survivability, from 15 tests each, seems better on average

[lament bay]

how to get the UI like in the video? (from unzen event), mine looks like this

[warm flax]

Finish opsi story

[whole crypt]

you only get new shop after you get a monthly reset

so the month after you clear ch4 of OS story

[final talon]

Does Agir not have Fate sim? or are all UR research ships not have fate simulation?

[plain saffron]

Agir doesn't have it yet

[atomic abyss]

drake, fdg and hakuryuu are the only DRs with fate sim at the moment

[plain saffron]

I still don't understand the reason why they have old shop for new players

[final talon]

Ah, I see, thanks you 🙂

[atomic abyss]

i forgot azuma lol

[soft raft]

lol

[plain saffron]

Azuma forgotten again

[soft raft]

Wheelchair Azuma moment yet again

[late flame]

amnesia

[lament bay]

i see, in that regard i have like 3000 points from the arbiter drops, but in the supply shops theres classified loggers worth for 4200 points at least, do those reset or how should i spend my 3k points

[whole crypt]

Azuma was functionally a DR for longer than PRake

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Operation_Siren#Reset

[plain saffron]

Blue loggers are one time

[inland shoal]

I believe it's cuz of its introduction cuz they didn't want to switch shops midmonth so they set it to a reset and you don't reset until you cleared story? Idk

[plain saffron]

I mean why not make the shop the default from start

[late flame]

or spaghetti code

[whole crypt]

#game-feedback

[plain saffron]

They still didn't re add the assets for that shop

[lament bay]

oooh i see so the currencies also get exchanged, that means you can get every logger in the shop easily?

[plain saffron]

Akashi shop still missing assets

[plain saffron]

so which one you want to test

[whole crypt]

classified loggers are not high on priority since they're one-use only, start with getting the regular coordinate items

probably the one on the right

[dawn hamlet]

Hi Just curious because timezone stuff I'm unsure, does the monthly limit protocore reset this week?

[plain saffron]

it resets on 0000 1/7/2025 utc-7

2024

[steady beacon]

Basically it will depend on your timezone, but if you are ahead of server time, then it won't happen this week, but sometime on Monday of next week

[dawn hamlet]

I see thank you guys

[worldly pewter]

the new ui helps a little bit in this regard

[plain saffron]

is there any specific fleet tech needed

[dusk dirge]

Opsi Tank. Kron or Azuma? I am assuming Azuma is pretty powercrept now?

[inner delta]

both work

[undone plover]

Kron for crossfleet

[plain saffron]

what fleet

[steady beacon]

Pre sure it needs max, or near-max, BB RLD
Other than that, Idt the world ends but better tech presumably means better kill chances

[plain saffron]

2 run and no kill

3 run and no kill

[steady beacon]

Yorktown 3-strike should be achievable irrespective of CV RLD, but my supposition is faster is better

[steady beacon]

Maybe CN really is easier

[plain saffron]

does kear need specific timing ot something

[worldly pewter]

azuma if u are in a bulin crisis

[dusk dirge]

Already maxed her, just got her to 125.

[worldly pewter]

oh

[steady beacon]

I presume she is configured to get her HVARs to hit before the BBs start firing, but other than that I can see no idiosyncrasies
Autoloader 17 RLD should let her get her final rotation out, since she is not being jammed in front, and Alsace can't get jammed either

[plain saffron]

4 run no kill

[steady beacon]

Huh...
The first config makes sense to ensure Guam's armour break activates at the beginning of the BB rotation
But I feel instinctively Kear's damage wins and is better recipient of Ply buff...
Kinda not sure which way to go tbh

[near sonnet]

operation siren beginner guide?

[elfin hollow]

Is it necessary to pair Bismarck with Tirpitz? I always see them together

[wind hazel]

you're probably seeing faction fleet fan or PR grind

[elfin hollow]

for pr grind, can I just replace Tirpitz with Seydlitz?

[hard mesa]

Does mogador deal a lot of dmg to wichita? I kinda dont know reasoning using mogador

[wind hazel]

sure, as long as they satisfy the CDC requirement

[steady beacon]

Seems she does, but I haven't tried her myself yet
I think people are using her to (1) do damage while (2) activating Alsace's perma debuff, and using the fact that (3) during her lunge she can make herself invulnerable to damage, which can give her a weird amount of tankiness while also eating some attacks that would otherwise hit the others

Certainly not the first try I've seen so far that attempts to use Mog

[forest palm]

there's no real "beginner's guide", though a fair amount of information is given to the player in the beginning itself, and there's a help button with a bunch of information as well in game

[unkempt mirage]

does mogador debuff apply to rockets/missiles

[frank pulsar]

no

[steady beacon]

... I want to say no because it's not a debuff that works by stat but like the only example I'm aware of where it's by ordnance type

[frank pulsar]

if it did buff rockets and missiles she wouldnt be such a low prio

[steady beacon]

It is only 6%, Idt that missiles would suddenly make or break her...

[inland shoal]

Rockets are bombs missiles are missiles

[steady beacon]

Ngl, that cracked me up
So rockets are bombs that (except for Skyraider) just don't scale 80% AVI

[inland shoal]

I mean BB (and CB) shells are mostly bombs as well

[steady beacon]

[hard mesa]

Yeah mog only buff torp bullet type (including uvh FP based torp barrage)

[steady beacon]

Are there skills that specify "bomb-based damage" that would therefore encompass rockets, BB/CB shells, and actual aerial bombs?

[inland shoal]

I don't think so

[whole crypt]

generally assume max mainfleet RLD + oath

[blissful hamlet]

pretty sure rocket from skyraider are the same like other rockets

[inland shoal]

Yes but they scale with only 80% Avi

[blissful hamlet]

skyraider only scale with 80% avi or is it other rocket?

skyraider nerfed

[hard mesa]

Is it because of skyrider has bomb the rocket also use 80%avi?

[near sonnet]

is it worth it to retrofit Yuudachi?

[spice phoenix]

are any of this event’s ships worth training? (besides tech ofc)

[silver lintel]

Nah

[whole crypt]

which comp and everything copied wholesale?

[inland shoal]

No idea
But in the code the 2 are entirely separately defined to scale with 80% each

[inland shoal]

I think he made a bit of a mistake with Kear sync anyway so might have to disregard those results

[frank pulsar]

depends on what you have and how many ur/what ur still needs your ur bulins

answer is most likely not worth

[whole crypt]

what, didn't reset BBV RLD to max?

[near sonnet]

I only need 1 ur bulin for shinano and I can get them through cruise pass or shop also my only DD right now is javelin unretrofit

[dense epoch]

is there a beginner guide on what gear are the best ones to save and enhance?

[frank pulsar]

if you are new player you should have better place to spend your gold bulins though

[frank pulsar]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC
theres a whole list of guides here, there should be one named equipment guide

[elfin hollow]

Any ships that I've pulled considered good

[soft raft]

Besides Helena, Laffey, and Emden no not really

[elfin hollow]

dang

[undone plover]

You should check out this guide as well
Your current fleet isnt ideal to say the least #gameplay-help message

[frank pulsar]

laffey is decent, you need her for rookie missions anyway

[elfin hollow]

foch meta's skill 1 feels pretty good

[soft raft]

you should give this a read too btw
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[elfin hollow]

is she that bad

[elfin hollow]

thanks

[soft raft]

Still dogshit
Good skill cant save a terrible base statline

[elfin hollow]

doom

[left cedar]

i trully doubt on that ... CN Ships gets HUGE improvments every time they get a retrofit ... especially from skills

[whole crypt]

yeh but they're CN ships

and most get some level of statline fix through the retrofits

[keen sable]

More mounts fixes a lot of stuff

[fiery swan]

how good are seydlitz and emden

[soft raft]

All of the ships on this banner are realistically tech fodder but Emden holds up the best out of them when compared to other ships of their hulltype

[fiery swan]

oh good because i somehow got 2 of her

[elfin hollow]

good formation?

[soft raft]

dogshit
read the guide I linked

[elfin hollow]

i did 💔

[warm flax]

Is UvH really worse than NJ?

[soft raft]

Lack of tank and Unicorn is a instant 0/10

Go read it again

[elfin hollow]

either I'm too stupid to understand or something I'm missing

[undone plover]

Run portland helena starter DD in vanguard
Try and get hood when u have 80 medals
Dont invest more gold bulins into lutzow

[frank pulsar]

uvh is one of the worst ur bb outside of light

[soft raft]

Like did you not see this section

[warm flax]

This is light, I don't know what I'm doing wrong

[steady beacon]

On the basis of just a single test, I'm going to say no
There are lots of things that could have happened in that run, after all

[warm flax]

Wanna see the gear

[elfin hollow]

I'll readjust

[frank pulsar]

eh not surprised tbh even if this is on light, might as well show the gear

[elfin hollow]

what's a tank

[undone plover]

U can use penny (flag) uni lutzow for now
Then get hood and run hood (flag) penny uni

[warm flax]

I tried that one twin HE and got bad results

[shell pilot]

use a twin gun on UVH

[steady beacon]

Oh well, if she's carrying double shell I'm just going to say she missed a lot...

[undone plover]

Is your uvh off flag? Are u running helena at all?

[keen sable]

Inb4 nj +13 mk7

[forest palm]

blind ass...

[warm flax]

I would never flag UvH

[frank pulsar]

is this wichita meta? your uvh might be falling behind cuz your vanguard died before she could catch-up on dmg
and also because only half sync with helena makes a difference

[warm flax]

Wichita Meta yes

[steady beacon]

May be kind of small, but if you are going to use UvH at all, put her in top position, not bottom

[soft raft]

she'd like triple barrel guns because her off flag gimmick lets her spam it more often
And twin guns dont consistently sync with Helena at all

[warm flax]

That matters?

[steady beacon]

It matters for Guam's armour break

[warm flax]

I see

[undone plover]

Ships with stats/skills that make them good at taking damage and not dying

When u start portland is a good tank
U should run tanks in the leftmost vangaurd slot. That slot takes the most amount of dmg

[forest palm]

not like Ulrich was, or is stronger than NJ in any particular way, she may get off more salvos, but the lack of sync'ing with Helena brings the average down unless you use a slow gun

[barren token]

Including today, how much time is left for the Rondo at Rainbow End event? Just today and tomorrow?

[elfin hollow]

prinz eugen any good or do I go with portland

[frank pulsar]

until thurs maint

[soft raft]

Portland's cheaper

[frank pulsar]

eugen is good but not worth the investment
stick with portland

[elfin hollow]

ight

[undone plover]

Too expensive
And portland is just better

Also rookie missions give reward for using portland

[left cedar]

not sure if i would call Eugen "Gud"

[forest palm]

nor would I call Portland good, they're basically the same fat bird, one is just more expensive

[elfin hollow]

So new formation

until I get better units

[undone plover]

Remove emden use laffey

[left cedar]

isnt Lutzow barrage dependent in poss ?

[elfin hollow]

damn this game is more complex than I initially thought.

[elfin hollow]

laffey?

[undone plover]

[left cedar]

pretty much Lutzow need to be in flag cuz barrage

[steady beacon]

It is indeed ye

[shell pilot]

Just enjoy and you'll get the hang of it

[soft raft]

ig at this point your Lutzow would be better than penny but still it's yeesh that you dumped so many resources into her

[undone plover]

I would use penny flag to get more xp tbh
He should swap out lutzow soon for hood

[elfin hollow]

I barely had any other heavy cruisers

[left cedar]

imo, not sure if swap Lutzow to Hood its a gud thing ...

[undone plover]

Why not?

[left cedar]

Lutzow can carry him to W12 easily, with some effort and gud gears and other gud ships can go through W13 ...

[keen sable]

Show dock if you want best help. Imo restarting with all L1 ships is going to be painful. I would keep elbing to carry for a little at least.

[forest palm]

Lutz is worse than Hood, especially with Augment, Syd is about the same as Hood mind you

[left cedar]

and Lutzow hits considerable gud enough to

spend more gold bullins to Hood just to get a marginal improvment seens .. waste ...

[elfin hollow]

Just started so barely anything (3 days)

[undone plover]

That is a fair point
Kms tech is also good

[left cedar]

spend them into Enty or something else ...

its almost nothing, pretty much sure that Desuland and Spee do more KMS Tech than any of them

they are WW1 age Ships, so really low amount

[undone plover]

Oh…. That is interesting and sad

[soft raft]

Alternatively: 2nd fleet BB when that comes around

[undone plover]

2nd bb fleet should be nelson imo but if he invested in lutzow oh well….

[left cedar]

Desuland 84 KMS Tech
Lutzow 62

[undone plover]

At least she is a BC for hard mode

[left cedar]

where is my scheer

[shell pilot]

Wow, I didn't know each ship has a different tech points

[left cedar]

depends in a bunch of things, seens like older the ship is, less they contribute
but rarity and type of the ship are the major thing

[late flame]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Fleet_Technology#Iron_Blood-2

[warm flax]

Should I bother changing it?

[soft raft]

Which HE setup for Soyuz would sync better with Vanguard and BZ? (both using HSFCR like usual)

[undone plover]

U can use lutzow flag/ penny / unicorn
Elbing portland, laffey for now
Unique and esdeath make good points

When portland gets enough levels u can change her position with elbing

This can help you push to ch9
Then u can raise 2nd fleet when u get there

[shell pilot]

HSFCR?

[frank pulsar]

high standard fire control radar

[soft raft]

this thing

mfin image got yeeted when I presed Esc to get rid of the reply the fuck

[left cedar]

Elbing ??
the wut !?

[keen sable]

Portland with elbing?

[undone plover]

Shouldnt he raise a CA as well?
For missions and hard mode?

[left cedar]

Port is a CA

[undone plover]

Yeah elbing is a CL

[elfin hollow]

so basically I'm not going to use any SRs rn

[left cedar]

also, change portland with Lutzow ?

Magic ?

[keen sable]

Lutz is an sr...

[elfin hollow]

my brain's all mush

[left cedar]

rarity in this game isnt a matter of quality

[keen sable]

You mean cl?

[elfin hollow]

information overload

[night pumice]

if ships I'm using have retros available should I be doing the retrofit?

[late flame]

depends

[soft raft]

depends on the ship but most of the time they're collection

[undone plover]

I mean u suggested using elbing which is a fair point
He needs a dd and CA as well to have all hulls for hard mode and events
So portland and laffey are obvious choices
Or am I wrong?

[keen sable]

I agree. For me you said needs ca in response to elbing.

[whole crypt]

unless you're a natural rainbow

[night pumice]

javelin, independence, nelson

[left cedar]

this works for almost all ships
with 2 exceptions if u are looking for quality,
Yamas and Fuso u shouldt do "Retrofit" part, u stop once u reach in that

2 more should be explained
if u looking for quality, Ise and Hyuga u must do them at once, both loose ALOT early on they retrofit and they only start to be equally worth once everything is done ... but its at least worth it retrofit them

to do both u need them at lvl 95 iirc, and of course, the resources for it

[soft raft]

Only if you havent done Z23 or laffey retro for the rookie missions alredy, Yes, and Yes if you lack good BBs respectively

[shell pilot]

Am I weird for using comet?

[whole crypt]

sort of but not the worst choice

[onyx frigate]

Hello people, i can't clear 12-4 since my boss fleet's vanguard dies most of the time. what to do?

[left cedar]

them go with Helena ... its a ship that is need for basically all around the game

[soft raft]

what's your fleet looking like?

[onyx frigate]

ill'send a screenshot

[shell pilot]

what's the vanguard of your boss fleet?

[late flame]

suspect gear and/or level issue

[faint jacinth]

guys, there no way to max star meta rerun ship?

[left cedar]

i bet on gears

[keen sable]

Assuming you did unicorn and portland yes you should retro who you are using. and if there is someone you shouldnt retro its because you shouldnt use them in the first place

[elfin hollow]

so once enough level portland goes first due to her being a tank

[steady beacon]

I would use radar ye
You're pre much gonna have half of UvH's rotations go without any movement impediment (Soyuz's ice), so you don't need missing on top of physically missing

[undone plover]

Yeah that was my initial suggestion
But raising full vangaurd from 0 kinda sux. He can use elbing for now then start raising helena later on ch9

[left cedar]

HPAA, Cruisers without EVA Gears, BBs with autoloader and goes on

[soft raft]

Showdown METAs get added to Dossier later on
Cruise pass METAs are planned to rerun but no info on how or when
Event exclusive METAs have their crystals added to the META shop some time after the event is over

[warm flax]

What shell should I drop

[lusty jay]

Hi there, does anyone know of a gearing guide? I don't really get how gearing works or what I should equip. I usually just equip golden gears.

[soft raft]

Bruh
Solo fleeting with no Unicorn? jesus

[shell pilot]

What do you think of my DD?

[soft raft]

/equip first link (Also Higher rarity does not always mean better)

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[tame jungle]

It’s boss fleet no?

[onyx frigate]

It's my boss fleet

[steady beacon]

Drop black shell

[soft raft]

oh well either way, that entire backline is dogshit

[keen sable]

Get better ships like say a 120 portland

[elfin hollow]

@undone plover can you explain to me like what all the types of ships do (CC, BC, BB, CL, ect.)

[soft raft]

also there's no AA carry in that fleet

[shell pilot]

CC?

[frank pulsar]

looks dead to me, and her gear all looks pretty bad

[left cedar]

W12 a real AA Carry isnt need

[lusty jay]

Thank youu

[elfin hollow]

meant to type CA, habit

[onyx frigate]

so i just get aa gear?

[soft raft]

True
but it's a good idea to get that habit in before W13 kicks your shins in

[late flame]

if the gear is at least decent i dont see why that fleet cant survive w12 (aside from tank really needing levels)
still, akagi+kaga is.. umm

[left cedar]

u mean W15, right ?
cuz W13 its considerable easier nowadays

[shell pilot]

then what gears should I use?

[frank pulsar]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/main/dd?ship=comet

[left cedar]

once dinossaurs walk in this land, W13 is dangerous, nowadays its pretty much a joke as W12 should be

[faint jacinth]

i see ty

[keen sable]

You don't have aa guns?

[frank pulsar]

for the record, that blue 76mm gun is only good for ship that has non-existent gun dmg and/or have strong all out assault

[undone plover]

Hull type only rly matters for hard mode restrictions
Ships do things based on their skills and stats not hull type

The guide u were linked does a good job of explaining some ships and their roles

A few points tho:
U usually want BB/BC in flag position to intercept suicide boats
U want a healer which is why we recommend unicorn
And u want a tank in leftmost vanguard position

[keen sable]

anything else has a good chance of being better

[silent latch]

is laffey worth retrofitting

[elfin hollow]

3 things to note, aight.. thanks

[onyx frigate]

I suppose

[frank pulsar]

yes, especially if shes your starter

[shell pilot]

But comet has a special barrage everytime she fires her main gun

[atomic abyss]

As does almost every frontline ship in the game...

[left cedar]

must sure that is once she fires X times

[frank pulsar]

it doesnt beat out using an actually good dd gun, i dont think you realise how bad your ship's guns have to be for the 76 to beat out a proper dd gun

[soft raft]

nah he's prob talking about the skill upgraded by her augment

[atomic abyss]

And last I checked

I believe the C class still has one of the worst barrages

[late flame]

there is a reason why 76 is only recommended for some not all DDs lol

[keen sable]

12-4 boss has planes. Quite a few. You can ignore the meta of needing aa carry by brute force but you don't have any.

[soft raft]

but yeah either way it's a dogshit common ship, im not holding my breath for it to be any good

[shell pilot]

I know, just too lazy to craft any useful DD guns

[keen sable]

You can try swapping mob tank with laffey

[late flame]

no aa vs cv is.. suicidal

[left cedar]

me oathing my Aoba and thinking she is the best common ship

[frank pulsar]

even a poverty dd gun like gold twin 100 or twin 128 can beat out the 76

[atomic abyss]

I think almost any purple gun beats the 76 lol

[left cedar]

if poverty why spend with anything that isnt Twin 120 ?

[onyx frigate]

I guess i level up my sandy and swap her in for someone?

[vagrant spoke]

So is it worth using any other gun over the 76 on shimakaze?

[left cedar]

its purple, its gud, and its cheap to enhance

[late flame]

is your sandy retrofitted?

[onyx frigate]

yes

[late flame]

ok sure then she works

[onyx frigate]

who do i swap out?

[frank pulsar]

on shima? im pretty sure only the new gearlab dd gun can potentially beat out the 76, which isnt worth making

[shell pilot]

Helena

[soft raft]

no he would swap out Laffey

[late flame]

my vote to swap laff out

[soft raft]

Helena only really leaves the boss fleet when you start doing W14+

[left cedar]

if boss fleet, and isnt W14 and above, why swapout Helena ?

Helena is really gud to have into ur Boss fleets, and Op.Si

[shell pilot]

Looks like I'm the only one here who doesn't use helena in any boss fleet

[unborn temple]

What's a good ap cl gun? Other than Plymouth gun

[soft raft]

the poverty stuff
Technically Neptune gun is a thing but lol are you really gonna go out of your way to craft it (And it's mainly relegated as a boomer sidegrade to the 155 in BB aux slots)

[onyx frigate]

i'll swap out the laff then

[left cedar]

seens like we have a huge fan of Riceist and hate Helena

even me that avoid ALOT in use ally ships surrender into Helena to see my FdG hitting hard

[unborn temple]

Yeah thought so. Nothing good pretty much

[onyx frigate]

Thanks for the imput people

[frank pulsar]

unless a skill specifically require an ap gun, just use any good cl gun

[shell pilot]

I don't get this, can you elaborate?

[unborn temple]

Yeah mostly using French and uss guns. Was just thinking ap will help farm 12-4 faster

[left cedar]

i dont have almost noone Ally ships (USS, HMS, FFNF, MNF, CN) but Helena buff alot the dmg potential in my FdG that i surrender to use her to buff my FdG potential

[keen sable]

Especially when for sandy. Helena buffs sandy

[frank pulsar]

for vanguard guns no need to worry about the ammo type, just use whatever is good (unless like i said earlier, theres a requirement for it)

[soft raft]

Esdeath is a Iron blood faction fleet fan
Except unlike all of the other IB faction fleet people, he's competent at the game enough to clear most of campaign with it

[left cedar]

not all requeriments its worth it, iirc some KMS DDs ask specifically for a AP DD Gun, but almost sure that Twin 100 Kai its better

[vagrant spoke]

Which CB is the UR CB gun best to put on or does it not really matter

[balmy matrix]

What's the best map for xp grind?

[left cedar]

W15 cant be beated with KMS for now ...

[unborn temple]

12-4 imo for overall efficiency

[shell pilot]

I see, I'm actually trying to build a fleet per factions and I'm currently working on HMS fleet

[soft raft]

Lvl 130 lvl cap copium, trust

[frank pulsar]

i highly recommend against making faction fleet, makes a lot of content more difficult than it needs to be or is straight up impossible to do

[left cedar]

the obligational Faction fleets is bad

but you do you, its gona be a pain, some it will be really bad

effectivly be with mixed fleets and make the game easy peasy

[shell pilot]

Well it's fun to do

[left cedar]

on that i agree alot

[shell pilot]

Currently my IB fleet is missing zwei and the pr6 dd i forgot her name

[left cedar]

i'm coping in a UR H-39 CV

[hard mesa]

avp zwei

[wary timber]

Do ships like Scharnhorst and Gneisnau META count into the PR research for exp earned

[night pumice]

does alsace or nelson need the flagship spot

[soft raft]

META ships are in their own faction so no

[wary timber]

Ah

[warm flax]

Nelson Flag yes

[soft raft]

Nelson needs it more than Alsace

[keen sable]

12+

[night pumice]

so if I run nelson, enty, alsace for my boss fleet nelson is flagship and then doesn't matter which side the other two go on

[soft raft]

correct

[keen sable]

It might. Especially if you like using twin 152

[night pumice]

dunno what a twin 152 is so I doubt I'm using one

[dawn hamlet]

Hi a battlecruiser is a cruiser or a battleship?

I mean backline or vanguard

[shell pilot]

battleship

[dawn hamlet]

great thank you

[shell pilot]

wait

[soft raft]

yeah they're backliners

[shell pilot]

I thought I'm trippin

[soft raft]

there's no difference between BC and Bb outside of hard more requirements

[shell pilot]

what does CB mean?

[warm flax]

Large cruiser

[soft raft]

Large cruisers (CB) are the on you're thinking of that would be vanguard

They're basically the blurred line between a BB and a CA

[shell pilot]

thanks

[shell pilot]

heavy ahhh ships

[warm flax]

High caliber guns good

[keen sable]

It's a very good purple secondary

[shell willow]

is this range change an increase or a decrease or entirely dependent on gun?

[hard mesa]

set all equipped gun secondaries range to 95

[shell willow]

yeah thats clear, but what is the range normally?

[cobalt rapids]

u can check on each gun wiki page

[shell willow]

ic

[cobalt rapids]

its around 60-70

[tame jungle]

I wonder if there’s a sort of range visualizer for that

[cobalt rapids]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/460645783021289472/1030703655717961728/unknown.png?ex=667a4c15&is=6678fa95&hm=26757fed1661c3347ef92061d34e9b120860345e626fd9b0f37d008a977bea0d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=599 u can use this cute drawing by sushigummy and cv detection line as reference

[tame jungle]

Fire

[shell willow]

damn thats nice, thx

[night pumice]

can I void oil or curry somehow

[cobalt rapids]

wdym void

they dont take any space so just let em be

[clever sun]

Is noshiro goof? I just got her

[cobalt rapids]

not rly

shes ok but u can get better options

[tame jungle]

She’s usable still but she’s quite old

[keen sable]

That's no magical solution for you. Grind it out.

[unique lantern]

i am so close to finally unlocking ägir, yet... i havent really read up on what she does except being thicc (in both senses)

she replaces roon, yes? (other tank is friedrich carl)
she better as mobbing or bossing tank?

[storm peak]

What's the requirement to unlock special mode at EX stage?

[night pumice]

these look fine for fleets that'll last up to w12 or smth right? only one I'm considering replacing is saint louis, she's only there because idk what other option I can use. missing ship in the second fleet is unicorn (she flew off-screen when I took the picture)

[storm peak]

If anyone knows the requirement to trigger special stage at EX Rondo, let me know.

[cobalt rapids]

ignoring limit breaks its fine

[finite crag]

guessing the invisible ship is unicorn

[cobalt rapids]

dont think rondo had the new EX challenge mode versions yet

[night pumice]

yeah lb is something I'm working on that's just where they're at right now because I'm trying to portion the xp packs

[storm peak]

Well, there were notice, though.

So, I wonder what kind of special requirement is for Rondo EX

[clever sun]

What is her role?

[keen sable]

Backline isn't great and everything just generally ignores the meta of 12+

[unique lantern]

does the UR guarantee ship cycle? i think ive been playing for 3ish months now and its always been nj and shinano 😔

[storm peak]

Wait for the next UR event to be put to War Archives

Next in line should be Kronk and Shima iirc.

[woeful laurel]

so i just hit this for the first time and if i have all URs at max anyway, should just claim someone and retire for medals?

[unique lantern]

i could get another shinano copy (nj is mlb already) or just keep the 400 if they dont go away on a new rotation

[red stirrup]

Looks like we all hit the 400 just now lmao

[night pumice]

ah. so should I just put my dock here and see if somebody can fix my fleets

[viscid swift]

I would just hold onto it
I'd rather be able to claim Shima immediately when she drops than gain an extra 30 medals

[woeful laurel]

probably would just be the same scenario for me since i have all URs at maxed

[viscid swift]

then do whatever with it

claim it, leave it, it will have no impact on you

[wild whale]

are we expecting this mystery kms event to begin later this week just after rondo ends?

[tame jungle]

if you wanna wait that's fine too because spec core limit

[viscid swift]

we know it will start next week right after

[wild whale]

next week for sure? so I can safely claim my weekly oils and spend them then

[soft raft]

Yes
Also it's not even a mystery event anymore, look at #game-news

[viscid swift]

yes, JP patch notes last week confirmed it

[wild whale]

thanks
I look and all I see is skins/new ships not the name/event preview; am I blind?

[keen sable]

Waiting is just throwing away resources especially when shinano isn't mlb. What hope does smkz have then

[soft raft]

The new ships are already enough of a giveaway
And we did get a event preview but on the JP Account (#al-lore message)

[keen sable]

Mainly you're looking to replace hood with a better carrier and find some aa carries

[night pumice]

better carriers? don't think I have many, probably just got a bunch of cvls but I'm gonna check

[cobalt rapids]

u dont need any aa carries for 12..

[unique lantern]

i heard 12-14 were pretty crazy carrier wise and aa was very important

(if not i just rushed sandy retrofit and augment too much for no reason)

[keen sable]

12 bosses have planes yes

[unique lantern]

but before i got to clearing 12 yet another event started

[turbid dawn]

Idk, a full fleet of Tempesta ships were so hard to level in W12

[cobalt rapids]

mby for onefleeting

luckily u dont have to do that

[night pumice]

yeah I don't have a lot of carriers

[whole crypt]

I leveled the Chinese cruisers with no AA guns on 12-1 didn't feel like it was an issue

[unique lantern]

where saratoga D:

[viscid swift]

these are perfectly fine for W12

and it's not like you have many alternatives anyway

[cobalt rapids]

and if w12 clear rdy its better to push first then raise more options

[night pumice]

ah alright

[keen sable]

If in doubt sara works but side note, you don't need gems or gear? You don't lb collection ships at all

[whole crypt]

Independence + Unicorn for mob and Enterprise for boss should be enough for ch12, but you'll want to retrofit Independence

[unique lantern]

im just waiting for morale to replenish a bit for the last 2% of my ägir
so imma need to know if friedrich karl or ägir should tank for the boss fleet :v

[hallow iron]

Generally who got higher dmg against boss between bearn meta and saratoga?

[unique lantern]

dont know about bearn yet but sara can be a beast with her augment

[whole crypt]

probably Agir but that's assuming you have the prints to bump her straight to d25 at least

[keen sable]

Would agir even be usable immediately

[unique lantern]

i got some prints and a lot of exp books

[whole crypt]

how much is some

[unique lantern]

and gear goes straight from roon to ägir

like 400

thats with the catchup

[whole crypt]

400 is enough for 25, she's fair game I guess, you have her gun?

or any AP CB gun for that matter

[unique lantern]

i dont think so :v

[keen sable]

Kind of odd to not have a 283 or use one on fc

[unique lantern]

uhh, i can explain -no i cant, i dont even have a single yellow or decent purple cb or ca gun

[whole crypt]

the 283 just comes from boxes though

[unique lantern]

i have some left i guess

[keen sable]

250 agir bp from research and no gun designs

[whole crypt]

not sure if this answers your question but Saratoga is probably less troublesome to raise

[whole crypt]

the 11 KMS ones
even purple boxes can drop it

[keen sable]

That's not right. You usually have about 5 gold gear per season. 2-2.5 would be average for you right NOW. 1 is low. 0 means you're doing something wrong?

[unique lantern]

i guess im getting at least one then

yippie

[whole crypt]

there's 2 versions make sure that's the CA/CB version

[unique lantern]

but why are there 2, also apparently i had some and didnt look right

[whole crypt]

one is a BB gun

[unique lantern]

my depot is a mess and in 3 months of playing i havent bothered looking through it even once

[whole crypt]

most people don't notice/care until they run out of space

[unique lantern]

when in doubt i just check the community tier list thingy and i dont know what to do when there are no guns i have/can get on that list

[cobalt rapids]

did u check if u can craft the 3rd gun ?

[soft raft]

^
Surely you can make that if you have that many Agir BPs

[unique lantern]

i looked through the craftables, might have 14/15 or soemthing, didnt check that, but rn im in the run to unlock ägir so imma check after

[cobalt rapids]

it takes 25

[unique lantern]

or that

[keen sable]

Elitist list lol

[whole crypt]

ectl never listed 283 for poverty CB smh

[wispy cosmos]

^if you cant afford to craft any of the guns you almost certainly dont have agir in a usable state in the first place

[whole crypt]

he has enough to get Agir to 25

either he really just lucked out on the gear prints, or the ship prints came from cubing or events

[unique lantern]

you can get prints from cubes, what?

[cobalt rapids]

research projects that cost cubes give ship prints

[viscid swift]

there are research missions which cost cubes

[whole crypt]

then he either just lucked out or his ship prints came from events

[unique lantern]

i might have also grossly overestimated the prints i have

[whole crypt]

in which case then Agir is not going to be in a usable state. go back to do researches for her before you start using her

[unique lantern]

almost done with that run so i can check 😔

[keen sable]

You didn't really want to have to swap ships and gear anyway

[whole crypt]

honestly without the prints it doesn't really matter whether you finish her 3 hours later or something

[unique lantern]

i ugh

[whole crypt]

that's uhhh 23~24 I think

[unique lantern]

funny thing though, i dont have a single piece of that equip

not one

[keen sable]

Average 1 gear so maybe bit unlucky

[whole crypt]

how many of those 121 Agir prints were from research

[unique lantern]

prolly around 100

[whole crypt]

just unlucky I guess but you should at least have some prints?

[wary timber]

Is the Graf Spee gun good against Wichita META? I'm not sure what's doing it but I'm pretty sure stuff getting shot by my Graf Spee is getting armor broken

[unique lantern]

i found it, there were hundreds to look through, like please add a search function
this is the one, yes?

[whole crypt]

yeh not that far then

[unique lantern]

how hard is it to add a text search

[whole crypt]

if you want to cope against Wichita META use Drake gun or Cheshire gun

[soft raft]

It's AP so no

[wary timber]

Idk man....something firing AP is armor breaking the Wichita METAs I'm fighting against

[soft raft]

Is Agir in the fleet
or Guam (and there's a BB in the top position)

[whole crypt]

I'm not even sure you should bring a sub-d25 Agir to your META shwodown

[spice phoenix]

do i run JDA with fire suppressor or does that kill her skill?

[wary timber]

Bro I don't have Agir . I only have Graf Spee and Prinz Heinrich

[keen sable]

It's called filter on bb

[soft raft]

her self burn's damage is very negligible

[whole crypt]

for CAs just use HE CA guns or drake/cheshire guns

[silk sphinx]

no problem, that fire isn't impacted

[whole crypt]

it's not like Wichita has a shield you need to skip

[spice phoenix]

thanks bros

[soft raft]

welp it certainly isnt that gun that's doing Armor break
What other ships are you using against WitchitaM?

[keen sable]

Cb guns don't ab

[silk sphinx]

"Jeanne d'Arc's self-burn is independent from burns caused by shelling. It's an entirely separate damage-over-time that happens to be called "burn," but doesn't interact with shelling burns at all.

• The self-burn damage is very low. She takes 8 damage every 3 seconds. That's it.
• The 10% chance to refresh or re-ignite happens when she is hit (or missed), not when she takes damage.
• The stat buffs she gains while burning refer to the self-burn."

[unique lantern]

the website says its a cb gun, there was no search for those and im too stupid to remember gun types and who uses them

[silk sphinx]

that said, idk why you'd use fire extinguisher on jda

[whole crypt]

because EN gear filter is weird

[cobalt rapids]

/jdaburn

[silk sphinx]

? isn't that exactly what i put?

[wary timber]

Prinz Heinrich , Helena, Graf Spee, NJ, Enterprise and Unicorn

[left cedar]

idk for wut, but spee is questionable at best

[soft raft]

That's New Jersey that's applying the Armor Break

[whole crypt]

Heinrich isn't going to make it for showdown tank either

[unique lantern]

how can you even tell what is happening on the field, im getting headaches just looking that the screen, i couldnt tell if something was armor broken or not

[calm rose]

iirc that guy is a manual gamer

[soft raft]

there is a rather visual indicator of Armor break with a broken shield over them

[wary timber]

Yes I manual. And yea that might actually be my NJ doing that

[left cedar]

Hein isnt gona be enough for mostly of Showdowns ... even in manuel for avg skills, maybe with something like Mutsuki lvl 1 guy lvl ... them can work alot

[whole crypt]

if manual you could cope with CV fleet and hold 2nd and 3rd strike

[soft raft]

not Actualy, it is NJ doing that
She's the only one in that fleet that can deal Armor Break

[whole crypt]

that way you'll take significantly less damage and can probably skip Unicorn for a damage carrier

[modern aurora]

What are the important farming stages again?

[whole crypt]

ch12

[modern aurora]

All of it?

[whole crypt]

depends

[unique lantern]

i dont care if ägir isnt ready yet, i have to do it 👀

[keen sable]

Unicorn on a meta

[whole crypt]

usually 12-1 or 12-4 depending

[soft raft]

take your pick between 12-1 or 12-4 depending on if you value XP or Coin more respectively

[modern aurora]

Aight ig I’m throwing in the META’s with NJ

[left cedar]

seens waste ... aim for 90, and lvlup her in 12-1 ...

[viscid swift]

you could just book her to level 70 or soemthing and just farm the rest up in W12

[left cedar]

specially for someone that have tiny amount of XP books, but, well, u do u

[whole crypt]

utter waste of resources, but you do you

[wary timber]

The funny thing is that my Unicorn carries my only set of flapjacks I got and that her heals are part of what makes me survive the chains a little longer

[viscid swift]

using XP packs to push ships past where they can be leveled in W12 is a true waste

[unique lantern]

wait.... i forgot i prepared this one when i started the ägir grind, i think i should get my head and eyes checked

[wary timber]

Just enough to finish my last NJ salvo

[whole crypt]

if you manual go for CV fleet, hold 2nd and 3rd airstrikes to use together so you take less damage

[wary timber]

Then should I swap NJ out for Perseus. 2 healers with preload followed by Enty with the helldivers

[whole crypt]

do you have any non-healer carriers...

the whole point of holding the airstrikes is so you don't damage her earlier = less damage buff on Wichita

[soft raft]

no that is even more worse the fuck
Perseus is not made for boss fights at all

[calm rose]

stop removing your damage dealers

[crimson glacier]

perseus the worst ship in the game for bosses pogu

[whole crypt]

it means you're more likely to survive even without a healer

[wary timber]

I don't bother with CVs much. I think I have a Graf Zeppelin and Taihou both loaded with planes from their own factions

[whole crypt]

well you should start bothering with CVs then

[cobalt rapids]

#history gearing isnt optimal

[wary timber]

Only reason I didn't bother much was cuz I was building more effective planes for them to use

[whole crypt]

you don't need to wait for good planes to start raising CVs

[wary timber]

The good news is they're both lv100

[whole crypt]

the bad news is you want 120/125s for showdowns

[novel condor]

[wary timber]

Exactly

My Unicorn and Enty are around that level

[whole crypt]

you're going to need to find some better carriers and take some time to level them

[hot bobcat]

So i just got Elizabeth by accident when doing repeat sorties on the event umm... the hell is this on her with the 20%?

[wary timber]

The one I've been leveling lately is Implacable

[novel condor]

Is she MLB?

[viscid swift]

call to arms mission, she get's 20% more XP for the duration of it

[wary timber]

Not MLB yet. I'm farming coins to do just that

She's only up to lv70 tho

[hot bobcat]

Oh, okay. Well it aint gonna be much since shes gonna be benched since im hunting down for hood but thx for the info.

[cobalt rapids]

wdyim hunting down for hood

[soft raft]

he's trying to get medals to get her

[eager mulch]

hes the captain of bismarck when hood sunk

[undone plover]

what is the average interception timer for sth like flap jack
is the wiki value correct? or does it go into a magic formula like airstrike time?

[hot bobcat]

Mhm. Afterwards i can just spam the medals all i want yes?

[keen sable]

Retrofit bp sounds like a bad idea no matter what

[lean warren]

can someone help me with gear for shinano/haku/implacable for medium/heavy armor? I have 2 tenrais

[undone plover]

this should still be correct i think https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/?AFLD=No4BgXQGnbb4BmMB2MAOMUAsntcQE5F8pF1ksBGbU61MAJkawCIUATAQy4%2B69ZQAbHCKEwAVgIUwBYqVxhSNOlDadefHoJEwWaNFCopsLMukalyl6rSz2o7blu3CI0KglgxIP9zGB9BhwUKiFpG3NIlVtVJz5%2BATcYMUksbFDwo2JZc0ojO2FMNUdOLQ4AIyTdJAZijLC5Eml8mILlBmZ1ZwTq-08A7yHIBCDDY0LrKwtlQrbu3tca1KkjE2Uclty2oWKF5yqdUTrqdabp1rm5zrMnTS0jjy9fYf8QMfTM9LwI2dVuzQ8PowKioUGnSbyT6NdoOUFoLqlBIuI4ghhZBpZKibKJ-Bz7XhLfrPOAvEYBbCEcQYr5kKE4H6wkoAwlEtGhbZnOnNEIw%2BZGG77ADG-FRwHhYBpfJxU1i%2BKRyKJT0GZNJb0CDHGXMU02ihQcTgqLmB4rBnMhPImeJKEsRdw4IrZprQWK52PysqZBrKi0eRhJfj8CEp1IhVnpOrlzKRVQdTvh4LWFuUbv1AoRtw0DtFyWdkrD1BlMyj3uROZETwgAEIwAA6VBVmgijgAM3QQA

[whole crypt]

kurozuki's comp died pretty prematurely 2/2
CN's Alsace/Moggy lasted a little longer but still not particularly consistent

[lean warren]

shinano shoots first?

[cobalt rapids]

why not

[lean warren]

i always thought impla go first

[whole crypt]

Implacable wants to be middle with all 3 in quick succession

[cobalt rapids]

ideally in cv comps the freezers go 2nd

[lean warren]

so second aux depends on timings too

[cobalt rapids]

the fleets are already timed for same oath status

[hot bobcat]

Oh yeah i got my first UR bulin and i LB'd NJ 1/3, was that the rught call to make or should i had used it on mogador

[cobalt rapids]

not useing ur bulins till u can afford to mlb directly is the better call to make

[whole crypt]

guess tomorrow's tests will be on Kearsarge/Alsace with Helena

[inland shoal]

Missed opportunity for ur ur bulins

[unique lantern]

do i throw these out or do i keep them for the 120 (prolly not gonna happen for a very very long time)?

[whole crypt]

Repulse tech is kind of meh so up to you, I'm guessing you're not a collector

[inland shoal]

I mean Repulse has trash 120 tech anyway and is easy to acquire so not much harm in retiring ig

[unique lantern]

i dont have the space to be a collector

i mean in general for all rare ships

[lethal bolt]

Wanna ask, who should I build and who should I redeem as free gold ship?

[whole crypt]

none of them is also an option

[viscid swift]

I would just hold onto it until you're missing just one ship and then redeem it

[inland shoal]

I forgot, are there hard to get rare ships?

[atomic abyss]

isuzu

[lethal bolt]

Is that on the invitation question or who to build question?

[whole crypt]

Isuzu, maybe Dewey

[atomic abyss]

hiyou and junyou are rare too but they drop on multiple maps

[whole crypt]

the invitation

[viscid swift]

Ikazuchi and Inazuma maybe

[orchid shoal]

Does anyone have a fleet setup for Wichita META? She destroys me.

[whole crypt]

Sendai is a bit troublesome too I guess?

[lethal bolt]

Ok, and about who to build?

[inland shoal]

Hmm right
Anyway outside these I'd say retiring is fine

[unique lantern]

aight, more space

[whole crypt]

besides Alsace not being MLB you're kind of doing fine

[viscid swift]

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=40597727

[undone plover]

where is the wiki page/section on plane interception? I can't find it

[whole crypt]

I just don't get why there's 2 Javelins

[cobalt rapids]

/wiki list of fighters

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/List_of_Fighters

[lethal bolt]

So just hold on for now until I get better ships?

[unique lantern]

d a m a g e

[wild whale]

what has the previous coining dr vs pr schedule been like? do we theoretically get pr 5 and dr4 coining at the same time as pr7 releases?

[atomic abyss]

different timings

[undone plover]

oh.... i thought there will be some intricate formula for interception damage and RLD
does this mean flapjacks send interceptors every 9 seconds?

[whole crypt]

more or less

[viscid swift]

"theoretically"
Pr7 drops in a few weeks next month
PR6 PRs get their fate sims with the EN Anniversary event in August
DR4 and PR5 PRs get coining, Hindenburg Gun getting added to the prototype shop, PR6 catchup and PR4 gear going to the gear lab will drop in late January next year

[cobalt rapids]

depending on rld

[lethal bolt]

got it

[broken monolith]

I'm planning to play the game any tips for a beginner? like I don't really know anything about the game and how I should level up or who I should level up

[inland shoal]

No cuz your ships also have reload

But on a ship with 100 rld and assuming constant enemy planes, yes

[whole crypt]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[undone plover]

new season in July most likely
coining + catchup in January
DR4 and PR5 coining will likely be january 2025 but also not confirmed

[orchid shoal]

That is ever so slightly difficult to understand. What are the differences between the fleets that they're trying to say? I think the translation is losing its meaning

[undone plover]

but how do you know that? is that on the wiki page?

[broken monolith]

oh hell yeah thanks

[viscid swift]

it's mostly just alternatives, some slight variations in capability but nothing major

[inland shoal]

How do I know what? The formula is there

I mean it's just the normal formula anyway except without the 2.2 (and the average)

[orchid shoal]

Okay. I was curious cause I took a break and don't have stuff like Guam and etc but also they said something about like "don't use this if you don't have the capability" and I'm like i don't even know what that means

[viscid swift]

which one said that?

[whole crypt]

top 3 comsp are recommended
first one has variants if you don't have enough rocketcats
second has a "no-helena" variant

[undone plover]

I must be blind

[orchid shoal]

What is a rocket cat!?

[broken monolith]

so who's better? or should I pick who looks better?

[whole crypt]

Hellcat (HVAR)

[inland shoal]

HVAR

[inland shoal]

Just pick waifu, they're pretty similar in strength

[whole crypt]

note that these comps by default assume max RLD tech and oath timings, your mileage may vary by a lot if your tech and affinity varies

[soft raft]

doesnt matter
they're pretty simillar and you'll get all 3 of them eventually one way or another

[candid meteor]

nimi (z23) superiority

[orchid shoal]

What is max?

[soft raft]

That guide looks like horseshit

[viscid swift]

they mean fleet tech, gear, +13, etc

[whole crypt]

40 CV RLD and oath200

[orchid shoal]

There's no way I'm there. I have 125 ships but I'm not maxed out

[broken monolith]

oh you look familiar Arknights server right?

[whole crypt]

BB RLD is 17, Kearsarge's needed RLD depends on which comp you want to go with

[undone plover]

oh this part right?
time to decipher it

[whole crypt]

just cope with what you can then, this one is just hard

[whole crypt]

which guide

[orchid shoal]

I may just use the ships. I don't understand which fleet to use. I just don't wanna flop at like 250k damage and call it a day. I like to do better but I'm not a mix maxer.

I'll use what i have. Which is probably the one featuring Agir

[whole crypt]

copy what you can, you can maybe get to around 600k

[orchid shoal]

This one doesn't seem as niche as Rodney was.

Just hits harder

[whole crypt]

Rodney is easy once you get around the timing

[unique lantern]

the jump from wichita 13 to 15 is clapping me hard, i heard something about removing preloads? do i just remove unicorn and alsace here?

[whole crypt]

Wichita if you don't get hit hard enough it just means you're not hitting hard enough

[sweet delta]

What are you doing, how accurate do you want to be?

[whole crypt]

this is on my rally account so

[unique lantern]

oh crap i forgot to swap a tank in too

[calm rose]

your frontline is way too squishy for michita

[undone plover]

I just want to know how the plane RLD and CV RLD interact
like how often a CV sends out interceptors

[whole crypt]

this is done with 0 BB RLD and 13 CV RLD

[undone plover]

oh wait is it just this formula? i blame renhex he linked me the wrong page

[whole crypt]

that's airstrike timer, if that's what you're after

[undone plover]

I am after the airstrike timer for interception if it makes sense

[viscid swift]

which is that

interceptors are not airstrikes

[undone plover]

but that doesnt mention carrier RLD does it?

[sweet delta]

Absolute cool down is perhaps 0.1s for interception

It's just same as guns, sqrt(200/(100+RLD)) * planeinterceptionreload + 0.1

[undone plover]

also thorin mentioned assuming constant enemy planes
does that mean they stop RLD if enemy stops sending planes?

[cobalt rapids]

they reload but wont launch

[undone plover]

smart carriers

alright thanks a lot everyone

[sweet delta]

For normal carriers in the fleet yes

For support carriers in 15, refer to https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Suchiguma/Carriers

[undone plover]

oh nice i see
last Q for normal interception (not ch15 support fleet) they dont combine all planes like airstrike right? each plane has own interception?

[frank pulsar]

yea

[forest palm]

each plane kind of has a cone in front of them, and fire whatever comes in front of said cone

[undone plover]

I was more interested in frequency of launch not dps but thanks

also is this is a good sub cat? it is gral tho

[cobalt rapids]

u got 1/2

[whole crypt]

alpha + rld or officer would have been preferable

[forest palm]

just bank on Edle

[whole crypt]

Edelweiss better overall wasn't it

[undone plover]

yeah it is the better elite cat for skills i think. talents notwithstanding

[elfin hollow]

Did drake switch to a BB to a heavy crusier?

[viscid swift]

no

[mellow hornet]

is emden worth to be put in any fleets?

[eager mulch]

worth what