gameplay-help

[calm rose]

you need to kill trashmob to clear debuff

[steady beacon]

You need to fight the random trash mob to get rid of the red crack thing

I forget what it's called
Toll of War or something

[gloomy mesa]

nope only her as an option, is she a good replacement for Portland or kuyby?

[wild whale]

Any of these worth building? Not even sure why I'm asking I don't need any of them I'm just looking at random ships I didn't max mlb yet

[plain saffron]

low resolve

[viscid swift]

Sirius, maybe Carl
the rest are tech

[gloomy mesa]

go for waifu brother

[steady beacon]

Ye, she can take Kuyby's place
Keep Portland, I wouldn't go main tanking Mog as a matter of principle

Well, I say that, but god alone how many principles I've violated recently
Rules are made to be broken, but you did not hear this from me

[eager mulch]

ok

[gloomy mesa]

hmm, portland, Chapy/Sandy, Mogador okay?

[eager mulch]

I wouldn’t trust it in W15

[undone plover]

U could also save UR bulins/spec core if u are not too keen on using mog

[forest palm]

not much of a clear use case for Mog right now either way

[meager gyro]

bro wtf my nj doesnt even take off one health bar from this thing

[forest palm]

sounds like a skill issue

[wild whale]

what gun is on your nj

[calm rose]

are you atleast using AP gun on NJ?

[meager gyro]

idk

how am i supposed to know

[wild whale]

clicking the gun tends to help

[calm rose]

instead of idk, maybe you can show us a screenshot

although even HE shouldnt do so little damage

[wild whale]

inb4 its an unleveled purple he

[finite crag]

in the w15 fleet guide are subs supposed to not have dd guns equipped? i literally have never used subs before

[meager gyro]

1 sec

[gloomy mesa]

W13 potentialy?

[eager mulch]

maybe

[calm rose]

i think it means it doesnt matter what DD gun you use

[gloomy mesa]

in my case or in general?

[bold salmon]

le malin augment good?

[forest palm]

if you need a strong mob ship she'll do the job

[forest palm]

about as good as the starters

[eager mulch]

need a strong mog ship

[wild whale]

that is indeed an HE gun

[meager gyro]

how do you see that?

[calm rose]

are you sure your NJ cant take off 1hp bar. or are you being hyperbolic, level 123 with +12 mk7 shouldnt deal such tiny damage tbh

[gloomy mesa]

that's all i want right now, lol

[wild whale]

click on the gun and read it

[steady beacon]

... I believe in accuracy deeply but unless you're straight up missing everything, NJ doing 1 bar is completely insane

[meager gyro]

the full salvo + this skill barrage funny looking stuff didnt take 1 bar off

[forest palm]

hitting a Heavy Armor Target with HE Shelling

[eager mulch]

I’d rather hit a heavy target with he than a light target with ap tbh

[exotic wren]

Should still take off more than 1 bar tho

[forest palm]

both are shit in the end

[steady beacon]

Pre sure it's laziness
But ye, like Coughfee said, it's just put one of the DD gun options there, there are like two or three that are usually used and most subs don't care which one

[eager mulch]

one is less shit than the other

[finite crag]

yea i get the point thanks

[meager gyro]

bro after the 11th attempt its finally dead

[eager mulch]

but it’s dead

[neat junco]

how do people figure out the 'best' teams for meta showdown? is it just fucking around until something sticks or is there material in the game to read and build around

[eager mulch]

mainly just fucking around and finding out

[steady beacon]

If you know the boss gimmick and the full repertoire of ships + equipment in the game, you can at least cook some plausible ideas
But you can't tell if it actually works without throwing them all at the boss and seeing what sticks, that is true

RodM is kinda a good parable on underestimating the difficulty based on just the paper data, as a matter of fact

[meager gyro]

bro abyssals are so fucking unfair

[steady beacon]

If you aren't in a position to adequately fight an Abyssal... don't fight them

[calm rose]

they're indeed hard for beginner, once you get your gear right and fleet comp right. it gets easier

[hollow gust]

My mob fleet kills them

[tranquil saffron]

What are your adapts?

[calm rose]

and your "new player" tag is fake

[calm rose]

too much. hes already capped

[wild whale]

[meager gyro]

273 283 277

[atomic abyss]

this guy has gear issues primarily

[tranquil saffron]

[meager gyro]

got the boss to about half health, thats means i need like 500 adapt?

[atomic abyss]

no

[tranquil saffron]

No

[calm rose]

max adapt you need in opsi is 203/203/156, anymore is wasted.

[tranquil saffron]

Judging from your NJ you need to fix your equipment.

[atomic abyss]

once your adapts hit 203 203 153
they do not help you any further

[meager gyro]

ive got nothing

[atomic abyss]

well you just have to force your way through then

[tranquil saffron]

This month's arbiter is medium armour right?

[calm rose]

heavy

[steady beacon]

203/203/156

[tranquil saffron]

Then stop trying to do arbiter

[calm rose]

you can turn off fleet lock next time to check~

[atomic abyss]

he was talking about abyssals tho...?

[tranquil saffron]

Oh my bad

This dude is hopeless

[forest palm]

they posted arbiter earlier

[tranquil saffron]

[meager gyro]

yeah the devs want more money from me

[atomic abyss]

no the devs want you to actually play consistently

[steady beacon]

Oh ah
I can't remember Abyssal numbers

[tranquil saffron]

What pr are you currently researching?

I remember early game research equipment really helped me

[atomic abyss]

it's not that

[forest palm]

it depends on per each corrosion level doesn't it....

[sweet delta]

He's already been helped with that several times

[atomic abyss]

it's that he literally hasn't been doing daily raids for 4 years

[forest palm]

another salty belfast

[tranquil saffron]

[meager gyro]

odin bc i needed a better iron blood bc than scharnhorst

[atomic abyss]

???

[steady beacon]

Ye pre sure it does

[tranquil saffron]

Not what ship, what pr

[atomic abyss]

bro why do you even need an ironblood bc

[abstract latch]

Yo, i got shinano, is she worth building?

[atomic abyss]

assuming you don't have any other better URs you need to mlb first

but she is definitely worth building

[meager gyro]

main fleet xp farming in event

[atomic abyss]

what

then you can just use hood for the BC slot
BC slots aren't even common

[abstract latch]

I have mog, alsa and new jersey too idk which one's r better

[meager gyro]

hood doesnt farm iron blood afaik?

[atomic abyss]

alsace

[sweet delta]

better go to a thread ||a thread a day keeps the doctor away||

[whole crypt]

I'm pretty sure all you had to do was follow instructions instead of hopping all over the place and you could have had an easier clear in a week or so with some guidance, but since you like to make things difficult for yourself please go on

[atomic abyss]

yeah she doesn't farm ironblood
so?

[abstract latch]

Aite, ty man

[meager gyro]

ok so im done with opsi, what now?

[whole crypt]

you repeat OS

[atomic abyss]

who said you're done

[whole crypt]

and I'm pretty sure you haven't beaten harbiter, but I'm also pretty sure you can't

[atomic abyss]

you want gear? you farm opsi by repeating other nodes

[meager gyro]

well i invaded all the zones

[tranquil saffron]

You don't get, why are you putting so much resources towards farming a ship you have no use for

[wild whale]

so you completed the first day of opsi

[whole crypt]

then you repeat nodes you've already cleared, usually corrosion 5 zones

[sweet delta]

🧵

[whole crypt]

until the end of the month

[tranquil saffron]

You're never done with opsi

[whole crypt]

besides doing missions daily, that is

[meager gyro]

bc i dont want the shipyard to run dry

[eager mulch]

someone should make an opsi guide

[whole crypt]

but you will run dry anyway
why rush it now

[meager gyro]

eventhough i can only do 2 more ships anyway after odin

[tranquil saffron]

You have no equipment and that lack of equipment is holding you down

Ships don't matter get equipment

[sweet delta]

my 🔮 says this is the hardest META Showdown since Repulse
so i drop this and 🏃‍♂️
*any faction fleet resemblance is pure coincidence

[whole crypt]

he can't rush equipment either

[tranquil saffron]

Ships are useless without equipment and you have pretty good ships already

[whole crypt]

he really needs to just spend the next few weeks doing what everyone else has been doing for years

but he keeps doing things above his punch grade and ask why shit is hard everyday

[tranquil saffron]

I know but it doesn't help that he's trying to get a ship he'll never use

[whole crypt]

are we sure we need Helena

[sweet delta]

According to calculations based on Helena Meta's hp, eva, luck, and debuff, you could kill Wichita without Helena IF your vanguard didn't spend a fourth of the battle being chained or being dead

[whole crypt]

I've been telling him that since last week anyway
I don't see why he insists on not idling ship dev when if you catch up properly the shipyard is idle for 46 weeks a year

[tranquil saffron]

This guy is seriously helpless, he's been shown the way and just hasn't done it

[ivory crown]

how many black and white shells should i buy from the core data shop? like how many pairs

[whole crypt]

usually at least 3 for 1 BB fleet

[wild whale]

as many as you want battleships full geared at all times 3-6 I guess?

[whole crypt]

if you actively use more than 3 battleships or are just lazy to swap then yeh you'll want more

but "need" is 3 sets

[meager gyro]

is this ok for poverty?

[green cave]

Question. what is the purpose of the non allied ports in OPSI?

[eager mulch]

they can be the locations of daily missions

[whole crypt]

as of now they don't do anything besides being daily mission spawn points

[green cave]

ok then I will stop worrying about them. thanks

[fossil shard]

I don’t have a lot of this gear

[meager gyro]

whats bad about it?

[whole crypt]

everything

[steady beacon]

The question isn't "what is bad about it?" but "what isn't bad about it?"...

[silk helm]

i feel like you've asked that question before 😂

[whole crypt]

and no you don't have to show us again that you have no gear, we already know that, and we also already told you the solution to that

[green cave]

why do you have a gray gun on a SR ship?

[meager gyro]

got nothing else

[wild whale]

open boxes

[calm rose]

maybe something like this? ignore the AA gun

[green cave]

ok I can see how that works but at least try to run 7-4 or 8-1

[meager gyro]

still no luck

[forest palm]

[meager gyro]

ive got nothing of that

[eager mulch]

[tired condor]

is rainbow research worth the 5 cubes

[whole crypt]

if you have enough to spare

[tired condor]

yea definitely illjust get the next ur in 10 pulls

[shell willow]

in opsi if i have no logger left then all i can do is daily missions till reset? arbiter is also cleared

[calm rose]

its time to repeat C5 zone

[forest palm]

typically ya, just do your dailies, fight the Meta, burn rest of AP, rinse repeat

[shell willow]

any C5 zone with rest of the AP ?

[whole crypt]

I mean ultimately it's your choice, it'll probably just help you finish the ship/series like maybe 1 or 2 days faster, it won't be significantly faster if you don't consistently put in cubes
if you consistently put in cubes then it's going to eat into your UR pity stock

it's just a recommendation that you keep enough to be sure you don't miss URs, if you keep playing consistently you'll catch up without doing any cube research anyway

[forest palm]

will always say if you can maintain roughly 250 cubes you're fine going into a UR event

[tired condor]

whens the next one anyways]

[forest palm]

not for like another 2 months

probably a little less than 3 at this point

[tired condor]

is it a rerun

[whole crypt]

the next new one is probably JP anniversary in mid Sep
we don't know about rerun

[forest palm]

Vanny rerun is looming overhead though

[tired condor]

dam so theres only around 4 events a year

[whole crypt]

4 new URs each year, yes

[forest palm]

*4 UR Events

[calm rose]

only

[whole crypt]

we also get non-UR events

[forest palm]

thankfully for UR reruns you only need like...312 cubes

[tired condor]

the pity is 161 tf

[whole crypt]

it's still 200 but reruns have build tickets

[tired condor]

would they run a rerun with a new ur event

[whole crypt]

sortie events never overlap

[tired condor]

so the ppl who have that ship would need to wait half a year

[whole crypt]

reruns are like 1 week and like I said there are other events

also with 4 new URs each year the average is more like 3 months, less if you consider event duration

not everyone specifically only waits for new URs and nothing else

[shell willow]

is there a general priority for which rainbow equipment to get first from gear lab? i could craft a wyvern or the aa gun, or save for the dd/bb gun next month
i posted my gears earlier in this thread if that helps #1251315915329507430 message

[hallow iron]

Has any news of increasing ur bullin ever announce?

[whole crypt]

we already had several increases over the past half year or so though

[meager gyro]

is this worth crafting?

[hallow iron]

Nice just want to see wether there were any changes

[misty tree]

From my understanding, its Wyvern first

[whole crypt]

we went from 4k core cap to 5k core cap last December
earlier this year we also got medal shop spec cores added

[hallow iron]

Seen some old player in reddit still don't have enough ur bullin to max their ships

[shell willow]

alright thx

[whole crypt]

old doesn't mean squat if you're not playing

[hallow iron]

Good changes

[steady beacon]

Just do /gearlab in #bot-spam
If the item is not on there, just don't craft it

[meager gyro]

how do i get some gear then?

[calm rose]

then what are they doing , unless they're returnee

[steady beacon]

Break this rule only when you know why you're breaking it

[eternal basalt]

Looks at 125k Heh, old

[whole crypt]

we had URs added starting from Shinano in 2020
if you've been around from at least say, Shimakaze, you almost definitely should have enough UR bulins for all existing URs if you meet your cap monthly

[hallow iron]

Idk I see bismark on their account so I just assume old XD, I don't know how much they play tho

Maybe don't play maybe returning

[calm rose]

you can get bismarck anytime, so not a good gauge

[whole crypt]

he probably means BisZwei, all it means is he was around for last year's CN anniv

[hallow iron]

They got soyuz musashi too

[atomic abyss]

open tech boxes

[meager gyro]

still nothing

[atomic abyss]

that's how new players get their poverty gear

[flint wyvern]

Can someone help me build a team 😭😭or give me like a guide. I just suck at deciding what units belong where

[whole crypt]

well if he has Musashi that means he's been around since at least 2022 JP anniv... you should still be almost if not completely caught up with bulins by now

[atomic abyss]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/early_ship_recommendations

[tired condor]

dam i remember when minneapolis came out and she was meta

[steady beacon]

Later tbh
Since Shima was my first
In view of how many cores I currently have, I wanna say you can probably get away with as late as Musashi...

[tired condor]

but now shes bottom of the tier list gg

[whole crypt]

yeh he's around from Musashi, my guesstimate is that's the rough cutoff for being caught up by now

[undone plover]

@meager gyro is this your first gacha game? Dont take it in a bad way mate
It is just that gacha games are grindy by nature

You shouldnt expect to open 10 purple tech boxes and get good gear

I would say probably open 20 gold boxes and u will get some mid-level gear
Most of the actuallly decent gear will probably need 1-2 months of grinding ever day

Mind you that is 2 months of grinding not 2 months of idling or just logging in and doing nothing

[steady beacon]

You can open 100 purple boxes and somehow not get an He-50

[whole crypt]

skill issue

[eternal basalt]

Open Kms boxes

[wispy pendant]

did you quit for a long time and come back?

[tired condor]

yea
on a side note, if i level up gear and then convert it in gear lab, so i get the materials back

[whole crypt]

Minneapolis was nice but I wouldn't say she was ever meta

[calm rose]

the plate you used to enhance ya and abit of gold

[meager gyro]

ive been playing for 4 years and got as much stuff as someone who just started out

[calm rose]

4 years of not doing much = you get nothing much

[whole crypt]

we've already explained you're missing 4 years of progression resources in your 4 years of play

[wispy pendant]

Are we seriously still entertaining itheberke's huge amount of copium for not actually playing the game and complaining about not having stuff?

[whole crypt]

I know I'm not

[hallow iron]

Damnn 4 years

Dude ancient

[wispy pendant]

I thought bread warned him about that a few days ago

[undone plover]

Oh I see…. U probably didnt know what u are doing these 4 years. Looks like u are on the right track now.
Good luck. Have some patience

[atomic abyss]

bread and cleo

[eager mulch]

it’s your turn now

[hallow iron]

How long is that btw? Just to make myself have the correct expectation on how fast I can progress

[viscid swift]

Musashi was September 2022

[eternal basalt]

Let's say she reruns this year... so 2 years

[atomic abyss]

ok soooo are you gonna do anything about it or not

[misty tree]

I started in September 2023 and im mostly caught up

[viscid swift]

but we also just got 2 double UR events in the last 6 months or so and a lot more reruns

[wispy pendant]

if we were to guestimate when Queen E meta would be added to dossier, when might be a good educated guess?

[hallow iron]

A year and half ig okk noted and the changes of core is December last year, so I should be faster maybe

[whole crypt]

2 years or so
but the progression might be a bit different now since we seem to be getting 6 new URs each year including the 2 shop URs, which was what I guess was the main prompt for increasing spec core collection

[wispy pendant]

finishing research takes a while

[whole crypt]

still, given around 2 years you'll probably be fine if you don't rush to LB permed URs

also just prioritize

[hallow iron]

my horni brain might have instantly limit break mogador

But it's fine I live with my decision and now have the correct expectation

[plain saffron]

Did he complains about 20 runa again

[whole crypt]

no gear, again

[calm rose]

11 run arbiter this time

[eternal basalt]

Remembers the old run 60 times for ship events, without auto

[loud rover]

Do you think skipping emden event is worth if I only have a little over 200 cubes?

[wispy pendant]

pretty sure you won't notice not having any of emden's events ships

[eternal basalt]

IB straight after

[whole crypt]

remember when spee was that, and only ran for 1 week?

[eager mulch]

need Emden for the faction fleet buff to uvh, bisz, fdg, agir, and Hindenburg

[wispy pendant]

Emden's skins are some of the best tho

[plain saffron]

Need emden for kms buffer

[viscid swift]

people conveniently forgetting there's 32 build tickets

[eternal basalt]

You can skip Emdben, 27th is an IB event

[wispy pendant]

I mean, ofc use build tickets

[whole crypt]

oh it was actually 10 days for JP

[meager gyro]

im trying but it doesnt work

[loud rover]

Forgot about those, but I wanna save my cubes for URs only until I’m well over 400

[atomic abyss]

what doesn't work exactly

[eternal basalt]

Do you have Vanguard, expected early July?

[loud rover]

Berke is back

[loud rover]

Nope. Didn’t start playing when her first run came out

[eternal basalt]

Then stick to 3 tickets a day

[wispy pendant]

I'm pretty sure if you just hit the "sortie" button regularily since you first started talking about not having gear, you would be much futher along by now.

[whole crypt]

he actually wouldn't

1 week hasn't lapsed since we made that shocking discovery

[meager gyro]

everything

[atomic abyss]

everything isn't exactly specific

[wispy pendant]

this is exhausting... I can't seriously think he's not trolling

[atomic abyss]

you should have no issue doing daily raids

[whole crypt]

he probably doesn't, he just lacks attention span and patience

[atomic abyss]

you should have no issue with opsi outside strongholds, abyssals and arbiter

in fact

[eager mulch]

he already did arbiter

[atomic abyss]

didn't you just say it took you 11 battles to defeat an abyssal or something

[eager mulch]

arbiter

[wispy pendant]

hey, a clear is a clear

[atomic abyss]

11 battles to defeat arbiter is already a huge improvement from 20 tries for a stronghold boss

so im not sure what you mean by "isn't working"

[tired condor]

i cant leave a siren fight and come back later right

[whole crypt]

I'm fairly sure he should have absolutely no trouble running 11-1 to level and clearing hidden zones
he just has no idea he's actually progressing because shit just takes mind-numbing number of repeats

[wispy pendant]

do we have a good explanation why it takes 20 battles to clear strongholds? I mean, is it unequipped lvl 100 rare ships or something?

[calm rose]

it clearly is improving, i think he just expect to suddenly not struggle with any hard content

[whole crypt]

my guess is poor equip, then-low adapts and fighting a nasty end boss

[atomic abyss]

11 battles to defeat arbiter is already a huge improvement from 20 tries for a stronghold boss
so im not sure what you mean by "isn't working"

[whole crypt]

he only came to complain after and we had no idea of what the boss was

[eternal basalt]

Do you run auto... easily 20 battles

[atomic abyss]

you may not have the best gear, but you're already making improvements, so do enlighten me what do you mean by everything

[whole crypt]

he probably meant 20 retries on the boss, the reward screen was only boss drop

[wispy pendant]

no, I think they mean 20 attempts on the boss itself

that's an avg of 5% damage a battle

[meager gyro]

i get 0 gear and make 0 progress

[eternal basalt]

Damaged ships into combat I guess

[calm rose]

[atomic abyss]

how is this not progress?

if you call this as "no progress"

[meager gyro]

luck i guess

[atomic abyss]

sorry, but please see yourself out

[wispy pendant]

I'm tired of the woe is me sympathy whining about zero progress and gear.

[atomic abyss]

you can't "luck" your way through difficult content consistently

it's you listenting to advice that is helping you

if you think our advice isn't helping you

[tranquil saffron]

More the lack thereof

[atomic abyss]

then maybe you should seek help elsewhere

[loud rover]

Not even that. It’s been 2+ weeks of him doing this when everyone has been inputting the same advice. He’s had a whole thread about his fleets and gear, but still comes back the next day with this attitude

[eager mulch]

send him to ectl gph

[atomic abyss]

not a bad idea

[wispy pendant]

I can't believe he's not trolling, any person who's been this frustrated for 4 years would just quit the game. It's just attention seeking at this point.

[atomic abyss]

...i wouldn't exactly call helena consistent

[eager mulch]

she’s consistent for me

[cobalt rapids]

= agree

[whole crypt]

just restart fight until full procs

[wispy pendant]

helena consistently misses her scans for me!

[atomic abyss]

Anyways

[loud rover]

I can’t remember the last time my Helena has procced

[atomic abyss]

it takes 2 hands to clap
we already offered you a hand, it's time for you to make the consistent effort to work with it

and it's gonna take way longer than just a few weeks to get everything up to "decent"

[wispy pendant]

queue the "i've tried and it's not working" response

[whole crypt]

*cue

[atomic abyss]

*cue

[wispy pendant]

Q

[eager mulch]

queue

[loud rover]

He’s queueing his cue

[plain saffron]

Cue

[viscid swift]

the disturbing part is if he's actually been "playing" for 4 years then he's been "playing" longer than me

[eager mulch]

old

[whole crypt]

if he's still coming back good luck folks, because quite honestly I've got nothing left for him besides snark

[wispy pendant]

The response is queued up, just waiting for the cue

[atomic abyss]

where's torva when you need him

[eager mulch]

just gotta send him to ectl gph, they’ll sort him out

[whole crypt]

torv was around before one of those times, and I think he's also just either snarking or ignoring

[wispy pendant]

ectl is full of patience for this kind of thing. Definitely better suited

[atomic abyss]

on a side note

how low can i go for 13-4 farming (in terms of levels)

[novel condor]

Man what did I miss

[eager mulch]

yes

[whole crypt]

depends on how many ships you want to grind XP for

[wispy pendant]

full Rikka and Ryza fleet did mobbing fine for 13-4 at lvl 105 avg. Boss needs help tho

[loud rover]

Go to 12-4 imo no plane hell there

[atomic abyss]

that was not a yes-no question

[whole crypt]

and who you use to carry them

[novel condor]

No.

[atomic abyss]

farming for BH

[wispy pendant]

"full" fleet meaning unicorn carry

[whole crypt]

so you want to farm XP while grinding BH?

[cobalt rapids]

farm her on hm

[eager mulch]

questions like this are bad because it entirely depends on the whole fleet composition, gear, and rng

[atomic abyss]

well, make the most out of it at least

[whole crypt]

can probably get away with Unicorn+Guam but I don't really recommend it unless you want the coins too

[atomic abyss]

[wispy pendant]

why 13-4, searching for Bunker?

[whole crypt]

leveling while BHing yeh

[atomic abyss]

im seriously asking myself what was the point of me completing w13

[eager mulch]

just get BH on first clear bro

[wispy pendant]

A decent fleet with Unicorn carry can lvl up at 105 avg on safe 13-4 imo

[whole crypt]

been there done that

[atomic abyss]

that happened with dewey

[eager mulch]

now do it for Hou2

[whole crypt]

I actually ignored 13-4 for a very long time because I got BH on first clear, it wasn't even S

[atomic abyss]

sigh maybe i shd push to w14 before emden reruns...

[wispy pendant]

w14 is fun

[atomic abyss]

wasn't there some gear lab asw plane

missed the event one

[whole crypt]

aren't both of them in lab, I can't remember

[wispy pendant]

i thought they were in core shop

[calm rose]

EU ASW plane is in gearlab too

[steady beacon]

Purple Avenger def in both

[whole crypt]

purple materials are worthless, better to craft than spend cores

[eternal basalt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Rondo_at_Rainbow's_End
It's easy to forget Rondo... #bug-reports message

[steady beacon]

Idt you're meant to use the other one

[wispy pendant]

what's it filed under?

[flint wyvern]

Is there a trick to auto search on opsi because when I turn it on it attacks one enemy then stops auto searching

[atomic abyss]

oh

[whole crypt]

bombers

[atomic abyss]

right i forgot

[atomic abyss]

yuki's persistence finally paid off

[cobalt rapids]

if the zone is reconned and ure not entering fog that shouldnt happen

[whole crypt]

is it because you haven't revealed the map with recon/logger

[atomic abyss]

devs acknowleged the lil illlu bug

[uncut oar]

Ender I'd hand you BH if I could, I don't collect ships

[whole crypt]

UNPOSSIBLE

[steady beacon]

Really

[wispy pendant]

ah, so the gold ASW plane isn't in gear lab

[calm rose]

event only

[atomic abyss]

i could swear there was 2 gold asw planes

[wispy pendant]

so it' hasn't hit the core shop yet either

[eager mulch]

Source

[tranquil saffron]

I need help with 14-4 fleets, should I create a thread?

[atomic abyss]

source is mod channel

[eager mulch]

[calm rose]

isnt the gold ASW plane pretty new?

[whole crypt]

well it was just half a year ago...

[eternal basalt]

Wasn't it released VERY recently?

[steady beacon]

For now only one
The VT-51 one from Light Chasing Sea of Stars

[atomic abyss]

[tranquil saffron]

14-4 fleets

[loud rover]

Missing best asw plane smh

[whole crypt]

you'll be fine, we did fine using the purple ASW planes

[atomic abyss]

i already have other depth charges at +10 anyways...

[novel condor]

Wait which plane? There was a gold asw?

[eternal basalt]

Guam event

[steady beacon]

/wiki VT-51

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/General_Motors_TBM_Avenger_(VT-51_Squadron)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/General_Motors_TBM_Avenger_(VT-18_Squadron)

Jun 17, 2024, 6:31 PM

[steady beacon]

The first one

[novel condor]

Oh ty yeah Def missed that one

[whole crypt]

the main thing is still +13 Hedgehog on a competent ASW vanguard

[eager mulch]

warspite retro asw plane tech time

[novel condor]

I cope n wait for rerun, 2 years here we go

[loud rover]

Wait warspite is the battleship that can equip it?

[steady beacon]

She can once retrofitted ye

[loud rover]

That’s

[atomic abyss]

warspite is the only BB that can use ASW planes

cos "lore"

[flint wyvern]

Ohhh okay because I was trying to strategic search

[steady beacon]

'cos history

[novel condor]

that's new to me

[whole crypt]

if you want to strategic search unsecured zones you'll need to use the 5k oil logger, otherwise you'll get stopped on every map without recon

[uncut oar]

is laff2 a "competent ASW vanguard"?

[eager mulch]

yes

[uncut oar]

[eager mulch]

laffii is a competent asw vanguard of all time

[whole crypt]

I personally used Z23 back in the day

[steady beacon]

Also, you really don't need gold ASW plane, to be clear
You don't even need an ASW plane if you want to go that way

[whole crypt]

if your choice of vanguard has around her ASW values you're fine

[forest palm]

laffii is bit of a swiss army knife, does a little bit of everything

[novel condor]

Time to get 14-4 to safe ig

[uncut oar]

who also doesn't overextend and actively be overshadowed in everything, afaik

[whole crypt]

except tanking, that she does a lot of

and drinking

[novel condor]

Altho I prob do need to rework my fleet, apparently having them picking random 3 star nodes wasn't such a good idea

[uncut oar]

too sleepy to register damage being taken

[whole crypt]

DDs sorted by ASW at 125

[novel condor]

Nubian has the highest?

[calm rose]

hamman2 even has built in hedgehog

[whole crypt]

yeh but Hammann II is actually awkward because it's almost a +10 hedgehog so it falls slightly short

if you have other ASW it works okay I guess

[steady beacon]

Hammann's problem is she dies at random in W15

[calm rose]

yea, was using her before guam/laff2 was a thing. pure pain

[whole crypt]

for CLs highest are the Atlantas but only Sandy worth using of the lot for late campaign

[loud rover]

Is it still 🔮 on new IB UR’s class?

[whole crypt]

what new IB UR

[loud rover]

Cheeky’s current username

[whole crypt]

we know there's an KMS event coming but it's not UR, we don't even know the format

[steady beacon]

Uh, you talking about the IB event after Rondo
We know nothing about it yet

[calm rose]

thats not UR

[viscid swift]

IB event doesn't mean it's a UR event....

[loud rover]

Oh I thought it was a UR mb

[eternal basalt]

There is no IB UR, it's June

[whole crypt]

we have events that are not UR events you know... we're not even at the right timing for a new UR

[tranquil saffron]

Is there a cap on dorm comfort?

[whole crypt]

there's no hardcap but it only counts a limited number of furniture so it's capped by how much you can stack on released furniture

[forest palm]

it's just frustrating to increase past 470

[whole crypt]

just pay up

[tranquil saffron]

Yeah that's painful, 3k for 2 comfort

[eager mulch]

wait until you get to the point where it’s 3k for 0 comfort

[whole crypt]

the breakpoint is 488 anyway

[forest palm]

realistically you only need 300 comfort, and after 400 comfort it basically plateaus

[eternal basalt]

What else do you use dorm coins on... 3k away for new

[whole crypt]

the next breakpoint after 488 is 525

[forest palm]

comfort is among the few systems they could rework

[whole crypt]

456-488-525 if you're not particularly close to any of these you can probably just not thnk about it
I'm not even sure if you can get 525

[forest palm]

probably in 3 years

[whole crypt]

eh, even the paid pieces are plateauing

unless they add paid pieces that actually have higher comfort

[forest palm]

anyway, it's to be expected plateauing is happening since they defined comfort in percentages, and being at 400 is about 80%

[whole crypt]

yeh the increase is miserable even if you make the breakpoints, but maximizing is maximizing

[forest palm]

I'm sure there's a mathematical way to calculate what exact comfort is 100%

[whole crypt]

I just need 23 more to hit 84%

[wispy pendant]

f2p dorm tokens gets you enough comfort, imo

[forest palm]

as I said you only need to hit 300

I treat 400 as a hard cut off

[whole crypt]

undefined

until the game gets a rounding error, at least

[forest palm]

[whole crypt]

formula is comfort/(comfort+100), to hit 100% you need that fraction to be 1, implying approaches infinity

[wispy pendant]

I started June 2021, and I'm up to 432 comfort. Think it hasn't grown much in a while, the easy comfort goes fast.

[forest palm]

I've been at 474 for a while, random monthly furniture bumped it

[eternal basalt]

456 here, some old throphy's and event furniture and stuff still have comfort, now they don't

[misty tree]

How many times do i have to clear 14-4 for the 100%?

[eternal basalt]

6

[steady beacon]

Uhhh, 6 iirc

Here we go, sniped again

[eager mulch]

6

[forest palm]

[eager mulch]

I am turtle after all

[novel condor]

just type faster pil

[flint wyvern]

Ohhh okay where do I purchase that from?

[steady beacon]

It's probably more my reaction time ngl

[eternal basalt]

In the opsi shop, bottom left

[dense finch]

Where can I find a list of units present in the permanent standard construction pool? I wonder whether there are any other UR units besides the two shown one

[eternal basalt]

Just those 2

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Building#Permanent_Construction
Barring mistakes, this should be it

[tranquil saffron]

14-4 mob, Shima isn't surviving who should I use instead?

Laffey II should work right?

[dense finch]

😮 Then what's the best way to spend cubes? Like stacking until rerun, annis? I am a new player and I have obtained two copies of one of the featured UR units. Do you think I should save my cubes or continue pulling?

[tired condor]

so i bought a dorm theme and i think i mustve not selected all the furniture or something, is there a way to get the rest of the furniture from that theme

[sweet delta]

Yes, laffii is better, but idk how Shimakaze can die with Aquila too, is your fleet under leveled?

[tranquil saffron]

All 120+

Sorry Aquilla is 121 I forgor

[sweet delta]

You just got unlucky probably

[eternal basalt]

1 a day on light, you get free pulls during next rerun, and depending how much you spend on the new event after...

[eternal basalt]

There are 2 options when buying, just select the buy all option

[ivory crown]

how do i get more

[eternal basalt]

/fleettech

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Q: How do I get more fleet technology points?
You get fleet tech points by:

1. Collecting the ship (~20%)
2. Max Limit Breaking it (~45%)
3. Achieving level 120 (~35%)

-Higher rarity ships gives more fleet tech pts .
-Heavier ship hulls also gives more fleet tech pts: CV=BB>CA>CL>DD

Side notes:
-PR ships give more fleet tech pts than normal but follow the above formula with development 30 replacing MLB.
-META ships are considered a separate META faction. They give same bonuses as their non-META versions.
-Collab ships, Muse and little versions of ships e.g. Li'l Sandy, Clevelad and Lena etc do not give any fleet tech pts.
-Iron Blood faction ships receive double the normal tech points compared to other nations.

For more information and exact amounts, consult the wiki

[dense finch]

any ideas how often do UR units rerun? I know that I just missed two UR units from the CN anni. And also, why once a day on Light?

[eternal basalt]

Vanguard should be early July. They take over 2 years to rerun. Because it's a free pull, there is a daily for pulling.

[ivory crown]

also are the only use of ship blueprints for development? is it ever worth to use gold?

[dense finch]

Oh, sorry I meant like when should I expect the next rerun/featured UR units

[eternal basalt]

Early July. New; September. Perma? ???

[uncut oar]

do I even want to care about comfort if I'm at 339? and that's after spending 17k tokens while at 334

[eternal basalt]

Research is much more expensive than the early few discount per day

[novel solstice]

Past 300, it becomes fairly hard to get more comfort, most things you can buy will be +0, and higher comfort isn't going to help you much either, so you shouldn't care too much. But there's nothing else to do with furnishing tokens, so might as well use them to buy furnishings occasionally.

[tired condor]

vanguards worth pulling for?

i heard she was only aight

[inland shoal]

You mean the UR BB Vanguard?

And whoever told you that was wrong

[tired condor]

yea the ur bb

[knotty dome]

how many UR ordnance per month? I only have 6 but i dont remember crafting much with it, is it just very few / month?

[inland shoal]

Yeah she's bad in campaign, but for bossing she's top

[knotty dome]

oh ok. is the expectation to craft with gold ordnance?

[inland shoal]

Depends, it's very expensive

[knotty dome]

so far it's only for twin457 and drake gun right? i only have 2 each, was thinking of crafting a 3rd 457 but i just have enough for 1, and i dont think i need to save them for a 4th tenrai

[keen sable]

No, they are also used for protocore and coin is much cheaper than research

[lyric stump]

is taiho in 13-4 heavy unit or mediun

[eager mulch]

Heavy

[lyric stump]

ty

[eternal basalt]

1 per month, but you can craft the gold into them

[eager mulch]

sure

[lyric stump]

am figuring out a 1min 13-4h team

[dawn hamlet]

Hi what's the recommended stats for OPSI? I remember I saw something about it here

[lunar arrow]

Is there way to move coins from your current storage to long term storage?

[steady beacon]

203/203/156 is the highest necessary (vs the Arbiter)

[dawn hamlet]

thank you

[lyric stump]

1min 20s hmmm

[dawn hamlet]

ah, hard arbiter is doable with those stats too? or just depend on my fleets

[eternal basalt]

Storage is for mail

[lyric stump]

want go faster fr

[lunar arrow]

What was the best coint burn method again?

[eternal basalt]

Cats

[lyric stump]

cats

[lunar arrow]

Did that, 600k to go

[lyric stump]

12k per reset

[lyric stump]

also do uh special augments

20k+ each

[lunar arrow]

Out of materials

[ivory crown]

whats protocore and should i be saving blueprints to do that instead of leveling my pr ships

[viscid swift]

protoype core

[lyric stump]

y u want burn coins fr

[lunar arrow]

Max out all shipyard ships

[viscid swift]

and it is reccomended to save the catchups for older season to convert them to prototype cores

[keen sable]

Prototype core is used to buy stuff in prototype shop like rainbow gear

[steady beacon]

Normal and hard Arbiter have the same adapts
Once you've hit 203/203/156 adapts can help you no more, any further improvement requires improvement of your fleet

[lyric stump]

always use coins if u can

10 bluepoints which is 3k everyday very good deal

[dawn hamlet]

thank you

[wary timber]

So can someone tell me why the 137mm is recommended to be used on US BBs like NJ rather than the gold twin 127mm which has a faster reload ?

[lyric stump]

because its the best dd secondary cause of range

since us bb only use dd guns as secondary a lot

[soft raft]

And some British BCs

[lyric stump]

ofc golden 127 works since us bb dont rly use their secondaries

only if u go into w14

btw anyone have a 13-4 under 1min set up yet?

[viscid swift]

it's better for killing suicide boats, and alpha matters more than dps for such a role among other things

[keen sable]

you should use coins for all of season 1-3 and no bp for the most part

[steady beacon]

Simply put, it's because the cooldown isn't really relevant for interception purposes
You're interested in damage and pattern
And that gun ticks both those boxes

[soft raft]

Is there even a golden twin 127
I went to check ECTL and I don't see one listed for BB secondaries on NJ

[viscid swift]

classic 5/38

[lyric stump]

This takes me around 1min 20s ish i use fleet 1. Fleet 2 is basically support barrage

[steady beacon]

There is, but you shouldn't really use it on BBs

[keen sable]

Gold 127 is terrible at intercepting fast moving high angle targets

[lyric stump]

this?

[steady beacon]

(Even though a version of it was used as the historical USS BB secondary )

Ye

[keen sable]

It may not even fire in a lot of cases

[soft raft]

Oh that
Yeah that's pretty whatever from what I remember

[frigid linden]

What should I buy from here? I kinda want a gun for Hood

[lyric stump]

sooo anyone help me with 13-4?

[viscid swift]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[lyric stump]

the one for pr3

[viscid swift]

fuck wrong one
/protocore

[lyric stump]

and get the champine gun

[wary timber]

Interesting... I'm not at W14 yet so maybe I'll hold back on building that gun

[frigid linden]

Champine gun lemme check

[viscid swift]

anyway
3 Champiagn Guns and the Tenrai first

[lyric stump]

lemme find the immage

[soft raft]

/protocore

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Guide.jpeg

[lyric stump]

ya this @frigid linden

[steady beacon]

Ye no need to rush on that gun
It's a bit of a high-end luxury tbqh

[soft raft]

Oh hey it updated to lower plygun- It goes back up on when I tap on it

What the fuck discord

[viscid swift]

that's a you issue blaster, works fine for me

[lyric stump]

wut do u use for ur 13-4h? i want get a faster one that saves me more time

[soft raft]

Totally stable mobile app moment

[viscid swift]

I don't do 13-4h and clearing speed is not something I particularly care about

[frigid linden]

OHHH Okay! Thank you

[lyric stump]

rly? u dont do 13-4h????

[wary timber]

I've been trying to get Tenrai parts so I can outfit one of my CVs with those. But they keep giving me Saiun Kai and BF109G parts that I've given up all hope and stuck to mass producing Barracudas

[eager mulch]

ok

[lyric stump]

wut u building up a heavy jp cv fleet or wat

[eager mulch]

I don’t see the correlation

[lyric stump]

like shinano hak imcom?

[wary timber]

What's their droprate from research anyways.

[soft raft]

[eager mulch]

/droprate

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Q: What are the drop rates for __?
A: Map drop rates are unknown and cannot be datamined, due to being server-side. The only one known is 0.75% for Akagi/Kaga (individually) on 3-4. Community data collection suggests the other gold ship drop rates are somewhat similar, however.

Q: Then where should I farm for __?
A: Farm the highest map you can for it. Higher stages give more EXP, upgrade parts, equipment, and shop currency. Community data collection suggests the drop rates are also probably higher on higher worlds.

[eager mulch]

geh, tldr is no one knows droprates

[lyric stump]

theres no promissed droprate for blueprints theres people getting 3 ur blueprints in 1 research

[lyric stump]

ys i farm hardmodes for thise gold ships

[steady beacon]

... Y'know, I gotta ask
"has slightly less raw damage"... than what...
Soyuz gun versus medium I guess, but I'm guessing that was written pre-Soyuz gun...

[lyric stump]

now time to wait for 14-4h

[wary timber]

My main goal is to outfit Enterprise with all the best planes I can get so she becomes a even more of a nuke

[lyric stump]

and wut u use her on main campaign or opsi

[wary timber]

Both

[lyric stump]

do u have yorktown 2?

[wispy pendant]

can't wait for enty retro, she deserves it

[soft raft]

You do know that "best gear" is heavily context dependent right

And even in campaign itself there's alot of different setups for different portions of it

[lyric stump]

ya best for light isnt best for heavy

in campaign mostly just go mobbing setup u probbaly fine

basically 1 bb 1 healer 1 cv

[eager mulch]

[keen sable]

You can expect one complete every 3 to 4 months if you make good choices not bad choices. You can do the rest of the necessary math

[wary timber]

Let's just say I'm planning to deal with enforcers.

[lyric stump]

3-4months s long

[ashen horizon]

If the boss doesnt move then converging bomber like aichi and ju will alway out dmg wyvern? Or wyvern can still out dmg them if most(60-70%) of the torp hit?

[soft raft]

That's still kinda vague and they're barely different than regular ops bosses anyways

[lyric stump]

am expecting finishing my 2nd drake gun and my 3rd quad 152 before pr7

[steady beacon]

But the comparison between the Georgia and Champagne guns literally has nothing to do with their damage per salvo, turtle...
Because you are not supposed to use them in the same way
And even to say it has "slightly less raw damage" doesn't really make sense because it isn't even true from a damage per salvo perspective...

[vagrant harness]

i finally got shinano! won before the 400 pity. im only missing vanguard aaaaa

[lyric stump]

which is 7 away from drake gun and 24 away from a quad 152

[viscid swift]

yes, and the Wyvern isn't hitting more than half its torps against a stationary boss

[wispy pendant]

you researching pr3 unironically?

[soft raft]

#al-general or #trophy-room is that way

[lyric stump]

only for that 7 blueprints

[eager mulch]

need anti-flex channel for perma pullers

[soft raft]

Also why were you pulling on Perma pools for Perma URs

[lyric stump]

am so dum that i exchanged those blue[rints from shop beforepbtaining enough

[inland shoal]

10 is max today?

[lyric stump]

its said u have a higher drop rate in first 25 blue prints

[wispy pendant]

so... don't pull more than one light build a day inbetween events

[wary timber]

Oh. There's only NJ and Shinano on perma URs now ?

[steady beacon]

If META then yes

[viscid swift]

literally have never heard of that

[lyric stump]

ik but i do have a feeling of it

[eager mulch]

they’re clearly making shit up

[lyric stump]

its called magic if u dont beliueve

[eager mulch]

it’s called misinformation in gph

[inland shoal]

Well unless you can back your feelings or magic up somehow, take them elsewhere

[viscid swift]

it's called bullsh*t/making stuff up from where I'm from

[lyric stump]

like on last 10 blue prints of the hindy gun took me idk 3 weeks+

while first 10 was like within 2 weeks

[wary timber]

Hold up. Building a light ship counts in the UR build count too ?!

[lyric stump]

believe it or not its jsut a saying i didnt say forsure anyways

[vagrant harness]

yea i splurged a bit im at around 320 pity lmao, i need to get emden, indomitable and finally vanguard to complete all the URs so far in the game

[wispy pendant]

if event is not a UR event, it counts towards permapool UR count.

[viscid swift]

yes...
that's one of the many reasons why pulling on perma for URs is bait

[lyric stump]

1 point only so that ur build count basically is spend 400 cubes for 1 ur shipguirl

[wispy pendant]

emden is not a UR

[viscid swift]

if you're not sure and don't have any data what so ever to back it up then don't say it here

[keen sable]

Sounds normal. Didn't I just say that is the rate. At least claim something above average

[lyric stump]

am saying on my experience

its expressing my opinion

[wary timber]

I ... would opt out if I could... I don't think I'll need a Shinano for now...or another NJ...

[viscid swift]

and your experience won't necessarily be the same as everyone else's

esepcially with a process that's so RNG

[lyric stump]

u dont need to agree with my opinion i didnt say its fact

[inland shoal]

I'm pretty sure if you had said "in my experience" from the getgo rather than "it's said" there would have been less discussion
You made it sound like it was more widely accepted...anyway moving on

[eager mulch]

is amagi-chan good now?

[lyric stump]

ik so am just sharing my experience u can choose to not agree

[viscid swift]

and you don't need to spread misinformation in a channel specifically trying to help people

[eternal basalt]

She's cute, but like all children not good

[dawn hamlet]

Reading your name Cheeki I'm a bit curious the new IB event is gonna feature new ib ships or it's a rerun?

[eternal basalt]

Justt see it as 30 free medals

[viscid swift]

it's a new event

[wispy pendant]

new event after rerun event

[soft raft]

We have Rondo rerun this week
Then a new event after that

[dawn hamlet]

that's great, thank you guys

[eternal basalt]

3-5 new IB, 1 maybe HMS from that... we don't know

[tranquil saffron]

What does IB stand for?

[viscid swift]

it's probably going to be a raid event, so 3 or so new ships

[eternal basalt]

Iron Blood

[static dome]

Ironblood

[viscid swift]

it's certainly not gonna be a new large event

[eternal basalt]

Could be small event, like Rondo that other Tower one

[wary timber]

I followed the tierlist and some advice to assemble this early+lack of better equipment setup for Prinz Heinrich. Good enough for now or would there still be things to change?

[dawn hamlet]

I hope they give a lot of tech points and nice, my first raid event, thanks for the info

[viscid swift]

Rondo was a large event
it's impossible because the event starts right after the rerun so there's no time for a call to arms

[eternal basalt]

Was thinking Virtual Tower, my bad

[midnight pewter]

How do i make amagi better?

[soft raft]

Why did you give her that DD gun

[viscid swift]

giving her a Stagg for a start
and changing her gear depending on the content and fleet you're using her in

[dire reef]

"it was shiny and rainbow"

[eager mulch]

55 fp is good

plus Sam says it’s better than twin 137 for intercept

[midnight pewter]

So what should i give amago

[eager mulch]

STAAG aa gun, main gun depends on content

[midnight pewter]

I’m just doing events

Whats STAAG

Nvm got it but for the main gun which one should i use

[eager mulch]

depends on content

[midnight pewter]

Boss fight? Is that a content?

[viscid swift]

which boss fight

[midnight pewter]

No idea i just got back get more than a year

[flat pollen]

Back from a long hiatus, so I'm missing a lot of event/URs, although I do have Alsace/Mogador (only enough Bulins for one of them Max LB)
Would this be a solid fleet for Mobbing W14+? Are there any particular non-event ships I should be aiming for?

[viscid swift]

you may also want to swap one of the shells out for a fire control radar depending on the content and fleet again

[viscid swift]

you could probably do a lot better

[midnight pewter]

For the main gun which one should i use

[viscid swift]

strat a thread and post yoru dock

[fresh tangle]

At what point do you start caring about subs? I’ve only just got my third sub and curious

[viscid swift]

look, best in slot isn't really a concept that applies in AL
the best gear is always dependent on the content and fleet you're using

[flat pollen]

Fleet for Mobbing+Bossing general Worlds

[forest palm]

they're optional, and they'll come in handy for world 14+, but I wouldn't put much focus on subs early outside of clearing the Lv 65 Raid, and getting that grind going

[novel solstice]

Subs can help you on any fight you find too hard; calling them in costs some oil but they're a nice burst of extra damage.

You don't really need them until you're hitting endgame content; for most of the game it's easier to just raise your ships a couple more levels or get better ships if you're having trouble.

Many people find it pretty annoying to level subs, and end up just sticking them in the dorm and using xp books to get them high enough to contribute.

[fresh tangle]

Alright cool. I’m just finishing 11-4 atm and wasn’t sure I need to throw a load of bulins at them

[vagrant harness]

how many UR main gun design plans can i get per month??

[viscid swift]

like just as quick run down for BB guns as an example
Medium/Heavy armor bossing: Champaign Gun/Soyuz Gun/Flandre Gun
Light armor bossing: Mk7, Mk6 if you don't have Mk7s
mobbing and campiagn bossing: 457
poverty mobbing option: Purple 410mm

[viscid swift]

that fleet bad, and not just because it's a faction fleet

[forest palm]

For the Sub Weekly raids you're looking for this, so you can turn it into a Bidder in gear lab

[fresh tangle]

Thanks will keep that in mind

[viscid swift]

you have 3 main fleets all competing for the flagship position here
Nagato and Izumo esepcially and you're using them off flag there are many better options than running either of them off flag

[forest palm]

also what subs do you have as of now

[loud rover]

is it worth making bidders if i already have gold g7e? i got 4 bidders and 2 g7e

[hushed cliff]

So DDG’s lose their ability to shoot any sort of torpedo for exchange of firing the missile strike at a node you pick? And what does the missile strike do

I just got Tai Yuan

[forest palm]

I'd still recommend having a 3 pairs of Bidders

[frigid linden]

What’s an easily obtainable auto farm fleet?

[fresh tangle]

So many options 😂

[sweet delta]

Missiles fire every 20something seconds in battle too, and theyre much more powerful than torpedoes

[viscid swift]

for where exactly?

[sweet delta]

The missile strike on the map just reduces all enemies' HP by like 10% in the nodes it hit

And technically the DDG can fire super weak stock torpedoes if you don't equip a missile

[frigid linden]

Currently only 3-2 and 3-4 but I’d want this fleet to work on higher map too

[viscid swift]

give that a read then https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[loud rover]

you're better of progressing to world 9 before you farm

main; any ship, penn/hood, unicorn
vanguard; portland, helena, starter DD
this is generally what you want. I guess you could call it "auto farm", but this'll get you to world 9 and up without needing a second fleet.

[frigid linden]

I’m just farming on the side while my main fleet rest or when I can’t play the game

[hushed cliff]

ok so that’s what the blue she fires is then now what happens if I put her on my back line?

Why would I ever want a destroyer on main

[frigid linden]

That’s my main fleet
Unicorn, Hood, Saratoga
Portland, Javelin, Helena

[loud rover]

dont farm like that its a waste of oil. just progress as far as you can and you'll earn stuff through newbie rewards and just playing the game

[frigid linden]

Thank you! Thank you! Will do

[loud rover]

swap helena to middle and that works. who are you working on retrofitting first?

[frigid linden]

Portland right now then Unicorn

[rose whale]

How can I upgrade this fleet for 15-4? This one only do 2nd boss, but I'm thinking about using it to clear more mob for 3 star. It get very low hp after 2nd mob fleet.

[loud rover]

i would say uni first, but if you've already started on portland then its fine, you need to do her retro anyway, same with your starter DD iirc

[frigid linden]

I was already half way through Portland retrofit before someone suggest to retrofit unicorn first

[loud rover]

swap helena and javelin. helena is made of paper and jav at least has a lot of evasion

[viscid swift]

one immediate improvement is to max limit break all of your ships

[loud rover]

looks like Kay is working on that, people still sub 70. uni and sara need mlb tho, same with hood

[hushed cliff]

“Move your stupid wings you angelic whore I want to be in the screenshot”

[eager mulch]

huh

[loud rover]

Brest being that person that parks in multiple parking spots

[frigid linden]

I’ve ran out of fund before I can start limit break all of them couldn’t do it when I had fund because of the levels

[viscid swift]

that's fine, just MLB them when you do get the funds

[frigid linden]

I have collected enough material to mlb all of them, just no coins right now. I’m waiting for daily quest reset

[eternal basalt]

Do 12-4 or as high as you can

[forest palm]

ya those aren't gonna do you much past weekly raid

[fresh tangle]

All they need to do for now anyway 😂

[craggy lance]

can royfort still solo the sub raid?

[graceful light]

do you guys use the UR pity even after fully MLBing them? atm for NJ and shinano? kinda left mine at 400 for the longest time

they just get exchanged into medals?

[short wagon]

could smo help me with my gears n stuff (dm preferred) i have like 15 srceenshots ion think i can upload that much here

[viscid swift]

you can

just do it in a thread

[short wagon]

kk

[forest palm]

if you have both MLB there's little reason to the extra copy past medals, and sp cores

[loud rover]

maybe more URs will be added and he gets an automatic free copy, who knows

[graceful light]

ehh they'll still be MLB by then

[forest palm]

[graceful light]

hodl up.. sp cores?

[forest palm]

specialized cores

[graceful light]

oh... nvm.. got excited for a minute there

[undone plover]

Do you guys take Q research or G research more when starting a season?

[forest palm]

mostly Gs, and 1hr Qs if I need a reset, and nothing else is available

[steady beacon]

I personally go
D of a ship I want > cube > G > Q

If you manage to roll all bad, just take the shortest possible

Ngl, I still take G4 over any Q but Q0.5 when hunting rainbow weapons bc I believe the G4 conspiracy

[undone plover]

Icic
I was mostly concerned between Q and G tbh
Cuz if I take D and G and finish season fast I will end up having to take Q in the end anyway if i dont have enough UR gun BPs

But if u guys say so

What is G4 conspiracy?

[steady beacon]

I mean, I think the reasoning is you want to finish the ships fast because you want to be able to use them

[forest palm]

ye G4 is the stronger option when it comes to pushing prints, and the usual suspects aren't available

[crimson rock]

why is it that when I use Amagi's ability that they fire three times in a row every time?

[undone plover]

Icic
I have been taking g4 over g1.5 and2.5 tbh
But I think I may have taken some Q1 over G4 when I had gold issue (which is always )

[elfin hollow]

is mogador worth it?

[undone plover]

U mean her salvo? She has mgm3 which basically means she has 3 main guns that fire in succession

[crimson rock]

mgm3?

[undone plover]

She is good but worth is subjective
Although usually backline ships have a bigger impact. So if u have other UR ships they might have priority for bulins

[tired condor]

I made a mistake in gear lab and thought u gotta make this gun to get the gpod bb gun, is this gun usable

[forest palm]

just shelve it till you can make an MK7

[elfin hollow]

i just want to use her...

for mob

[crimson rock]

well...

[undone plover]

If u can make her full star (Max limit break)
And you dont have other rainbow ships that need the bulins
Then go for it

[steady beacon]

Theory that G4 has an unusually higher rate of dropping a rainbow print
Afaik it has no hard evidence in support, but I've seen a... weird amount of anecdotal evidence that is validated in my own experience...
So I do it, even if it probably is objectively poppycock

[elfin hollow]

i have shinano and alsace
they my target full star...

[undone plover]

Nice nice maybe I start tracking it to confirm

If they are full star
U can make mog full star and use her

[tired condor]

dam so its not usable?

[steady beacon]

It is... usable
But if you can use a Champagne gun instead, I would use a Champagne gun

I feel like it's never explained enough just WHY the Champ gun is so good, compared to nearly all the other triple AP options tbh

[crimson rock]

so why is it?

[undone plover]

The game doesnt explain ammo type iirc
Which doesnt help

[crimson rock]

practically all i know for ammo is "multi target", "fire", and "that other thing"

[viscid swift]

compared to the MKD and Izumo gun anyway
it reloads faster, has less spread, and does more damage

[crimson rock]

cool

[undone plover]

Compared to this gun champy gun has 5% better base efficiency
Less spread (which is good) and better armor modifiers

[crimson rock]

here i am, not far enough into OpSi to do any gear lab with my MK6 BB gun, it does nice

[uncut oar]

Mk6 do be goated until you are stacked with champy guns/rainbows

[crimson rock]

seriously, 2k dmg x3, and that extra 2 sets of volleys for being on Amagi

[undone plover]

Amagi isnt even the best BB
Give it to a UR BB

[steady beacon]

On top of all the aforesaid advantages
It also has faster projectile speed and flatter projection angle (although it does share these characteristics with both Flandre and Soyuz guns)

[crimson rock]

dont have a UR backliner, at all

[steady beacon]

Its universality is also worth noting, in that it doesn't derp with worse modifiers against heavy, compared to Flan and Soyuz guns

[spice phoenix]

who is dropped from these kinds of commissions??

[frigid linden]

Namba wan retrofit or Bulin mark 3? (I have Shinano but no Sandie)

[viscid swift]

save your specialized cores for bullins for now

[viscid swift]

we don't know
at best you're getting a day 1 SR though so no one interesting

[sage sluice]

Has anyone ever actually gotten an SR from one of those comissions?

[steady beacon]

I've never even gotten anything above common

Only taken it maybe two dozen times at most, though, after which point I became convinced the whole thing was a scam anyway

[inland shoal]

I got 3 or so Sandys from it so far

[sage sluice]

Figured it would be something useless like sandy

[neon finch]

Sooooooo... what is SK C/39 for? just fast or smth?

any use other than odin?

[wintry oxide]

is there a tierlist im a returning player who lost his old acc

[neon finch]

tierlist for?

mainline or opsi or smth else

[wintry oxide]

can u tell me wth they mean

😭

[neon finch]

story line is mainline

operation siren is the other one with big map you'll cruize around

[wintry oxide]

whats the difference?

like the rewards?

i jus tryna farm gems, cubes and get urs (decided to restart since i got one on an alt)

[crimson rock]

OpSi gets you get stuff to upgrade your gear, story gives you... everything else (in my unprofessional level of experience)

[wintry oxide]

then ig mainline?

[crimson rock]

yeh, i suppose

[neon finch]

what progression are u on?

[wintry oxide]

whatchu mean?

[sage sluice]

Opsi is mostly gearlab mats and gold upgrade parts

Its techically skippable

[neon finch]

like what story map

[wintry oxide]

erm 1

[neon finch]

(1-4?)

[wintry oxide]

before they gave me this https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Samheart564/Common_Resource_Guide

and id just copy

[neon finch]

you want trade tier list ship tier list or gear?

[inland rain]

Is there a guide for fleet comps in w13< and for opsi

[warm flax]

How much xp is 115-120?

[wintry oxide]

all 👍
can dm me if u want (thx for help )

[undone plover]

check here https://traneptora.com/azur-lane/experience/

[crimson rock]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Dockyard#Cognitive_Awakening or here

[undone plover]

do you mean for chapters before or after 13? that arrow is rly confusing

for opsi general guide is:

Mob fleet:
unicorn + 5 ships

BB fleet:
best 3 BB + tank + helena + plymouth

CV fleet:
1 CV for setup (ark/avp) + 2 boss focused CV
vanguard: tank, kazagumo (or any ARA ship) + sirius

last fleet can be another BB/CV fleet or just fill with crossfleet

if any of this is confusing easier to open thread and post dock to get help
also gearing is dependent on enemy armor but u want to sync your BB to helena
and sync CV together so they hit their ordnance with the stop/slow from ark/avp

[patent pivot]

Agir is tank

[undone plover]

oh i meant ply .
late here

[inland rain]

after 13 but thanks for help

[undone plover]

well 14 and 15 will be different
better to tackle them one by one

again probably easier to just start a thread since there is no universal comp (although there is a ch15 guide u can check, do /w15 in #bot-spam)

for ch14:
u want good asw in mob. at least for 14-3 14-4
there is not much plane pressure so u dont need to worry about aa much
need good BB with good aux guns for the suicide boats (use the 155kai CL gun for aux)
FdG rly good if u have her. some ppl run 2 BB i think

if u auto you should desync/stagger your backline ships on both mob and boss
for the chapter mechanics get to the lighthouse ASAP and dont pick up the flares
submarines help on boss and OOA nodes

[tired condor]

does anyone know how to open in botspsm the page that's lists what to get from core shop

regular cores not proto

[undone plover]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[tired condor]

thanks

[undone plover]

there is none for spec core but basically UR bulins > retrofit items (once u need em which is usually not early on)

[wispy pendant]

@tired condor in the future, it's part of samhearts gear guide spreadsheet which you can find in his list of guides

[undone plover]

do you all just cycle hard mode maps once u have enough RF BP for everything?

[wispy pendant]

either just do what you need, or just farm whatever for core

[rapid grail]

was Yk2n after Musashi in UR events?

[undone plover]

Musashi Sep 22
YK2 Dec 22

[rapid grail]

thx

[steady beacon]

I just farm one map until I happen to look at my retro blueprints, notice a clear imbalance, then I switch and repeat this process

[inland rain]

my fdg is only lvl 23 and this is what others I have

[stark quiver]

what ur ships havent reran yet

[undone plover]

i think musashi for mob and UvH for boss should work (but i dont have sushi so idk how she does in 14 )

[undone plover]

vanny and onwards so vanny, sushi, yorkii, plac, BZ, unzen, guam/laff2 ....

[stark quiver]

[viscid swift]

just start a thread and post your dock

[undone plover]

Vanguard, Musashi, Yorktown II, Implacable, Bismarck Zwei, Unzen ....

[stark quiver]

nice

[sharp socket]

how do i stagger bb firing time

[stark quiver]

make them fire apart from each other, adjust reload and use different guns, also ships have skills that buff reloads

[sharp socket]

oh yeah theres a calcer somewhere right

[atomic abyss]

https://traneptora.com/azur-lane/cooldown/battleship/

[sharp socket]

ty

seems like i will only use this on a case by case basis knowing what the fight is like beforehand

[undone plover]

u generally desync in campaign
and in campaign u use 2 CV 1 BB usually
so staggering is slightly easier

usual end game comp uses 457+radar for the BB
for the CV unicorn + homing beacon wil desync from the other one naturally since she is a CVL and has faster reload

also some CV like indep have natural stagger due to their skills

ofc this all depends on what u are running

[sharp socket]

ah yea i need to desync my mob i think

they all fire all at once

[rustic oak]

Hello! What I’m doing wrong?

[soft raft]

Short answer: Yes
Long answer:

[sharp socket]

guild tokens are from having members do contribution

unless game is weird because im very sure theres 2 different guild currency

[compact gulch]

I have 132 medal honor is there any good ship to get from the 80 medal exchange?

Also I have left over from event what should I buy?

[wispy pendant]

everyone else is collection or very niche and still not that good

[viscid swift]

Get the UR Gun

[rustic oak]

Gun

[wispy pendant]

gun and chips

[compact gulch]

Got it got 2k left and I’ll get one of those units. I got to 9-1 and failed lol ran out of time idk if I need a ship that deals more damage or what I am missing here

[stark quiver]

id take the torps cuz bad or not its still event gear

[little tree]

is W11 or W12 the first hard to do chapter?

[stark quiver]

13 is where u kinda need to start planning and making dcent fleets

[sharp socket]

13 is not that difficult if youve been diligent on research and buying stuff from shops

[little tree]

Uhh i been tottaly doiung that

[stark quiver]

so bacially planning and decent fleets

[wispy pendant]

W12-4 is when the tutorial ends, w13 is when it gets kinda real, but still not bad.

[keen sable]

It means activity which is the big fat 0 under your name

[rustic oak]

But my activity isn’t equal to zero

[keen sable]

then it's the other show logistics

are you trying to rank the trainee?

[rustic oak]

Yes

[compact gulch]

I got to 9-1 and failed to beat boss due to time. I only used 1 fleet I have another fleet made under some recommendations on here but don’t know if it will get me through chapter 9 if I max them?

[keen sable]

ok THEY need 100 activity to qualify as not trainee

[rustic oak]

Okay, thanks

[keen sable]

the second fleet only needs to be good enough to do one fight

and instant 100% buff

[compact gulch]

I’ll try that and see how it goes

[keen sable]

are you out of cogs or something?

[sharp socket]

you are missing like 3 retros on your first fleet too, those will help greatly

[sharp kestrel]

Is this good?

[soft raft]

I wouldnt say Laffey II is a high prio for that DD gun and Shima torps kinda sus on Auto

She also has no Eagle Union Aux

[sharp kestrel]

I kinda just follow the slaimuda but I just don't know what to put.... It is for PvP btw

[soft raft]

1. ECTL does not cover PVP in its rankings or gear reqs
2. #pvp is that way

[sharp kestrel]

Ok

[craggy lance]

all else being equal - laffey ii or mogador?

[desert tapir]

Before anyone panic I know the fleet is the opposite of passing 🙃. My first event was Rondo at Rainbows end. In fact I started playing half way through the event and barley completed it. These were the best I could pull together for awhile and I just want to run the fleet again as a here but now thing. Now my question is if you Think I could run the whole thing with this fleet with the right gear?

[soft raft]

event stages are piss easy so yeah most likely mainly off of lvl advantadge

[keen sable]

You want to clear SP with only that? doesn't look promising and why would you want to farm D3 with that

[craggy lance]

probably should have specified - who should i level and LB first?

[forest palm]

Laffey II is just better hands down

[desert tapir]

Thats true but a third of this fleet is questionable at best... last time I only made it to hard 1-2. Honestly if I can;t do it I'll just swap to Unicron Cassin but want to try. Thanks boss

[vale gyro]

How does Guam’s skill work for enhancing barrages?

If she’s the front vanguard then does the BB have to be top or bottom?

[keen sable]

pro tip: use only unicorn. take oil saved on SP and farm a real map

[soft raft]

Are you talking about her blue skill? Armor break =! Barrage enhancement

And as the description ays, "If the ship above your flagship is a BB. BC, or BBV"

[viscid swift]

The BB above the flagship is the one that applies AB regardless of Guam's position

[soft raft]

either way you have Agir for AB bot so just slap guam in the CV fleet

[sweet delta]

Maybe they're doing Wichita showdown

[ancient kettle]

😂😂😂 I do touch grass on a daily basis, I usually grind while doing something else lmao, so I am immune from the touch grass comment.

[vale gyro]

Oooh I read that wrong, just to confirm, it’s the BB at the topmost position right?

[viscid swift]

Yes

[vale gyro]

Thank you

[desert tapir]

I want the one on the left for Yamishiro Meta because her barrage does not proc on main correct?

[soft raft]

mainly she has reduced loading times for her first 3 salvos every battle

[desert tapir]

Well there is that, but I'm not sure it would be worth up scaling to anything bigger then the Triple 406MM Mk 6.
The one on the right would allow even fast firering even with the trade off of slightly reduced damage.
But the guide states the 406mm SK C/34 is the best for barrages the prock on fire, which hers does not. So I'm pretty sure I want the one on the left in the end, but figured it was smarter to ask becasue I have all the confidence of a wet noodle.

[fluid compass]

Hey, is there anything helpful I can spend coins on? I have a crap ton, and nothing to really spend them on. I was thinking maybe spamming gear upgrades, but that may not be very helpful, and it won't burn very many coins anyway.

[soft raft]

cats

[keen sable]

there's only two battleships in the game with barrages better than their main gun that qualify under that heading. Hood and Georgia

[fluid compass]

Ah. I haven't even tried to optimize that aspect yet.

[crimson rock]

who should i get with my guild tokens (i already have unicorn)

[keen sable]

Portland, Helena, and Pennsylvania

[crimson rock]

cool, ok

[little tree]

Hood or Neslon better for mob

[soft raft]

Hood

[uncut oar]

was this nelson or nelson kai

because suchi said this yday

[atomic abyss]

The honest answer is that it depends on a million things as always

Hood shines more on light armour compared to Nelson so

That's usually better for mob

[uncut oar]

I was going to say that they're close enough it's probably preference at that point

[atomic abyss]

Hood just falls off in later content

[little tree]

are mobs always light armor ?

[atomic abyss]

Since light armour becomes less prevalent in mobs in w12+

[uncut oar]

mobs = assume all 3 armor types, maybe leaning slightly towards light

[atomic abyss]

Leaning towards medium by the time you reach w13

Hood is weaker than Nelson in w14 since she doesn't deal with suicide boats as well