gameplay-help

[gray sphinx]

I might regret not buying the Alsace skin but ya know what it’s fine

[icy mountain]

ill be able to research fdg after i mlb tirpitz, should i dev30 and fs5 my anchorage first and then do fdg?

[tiny gulch]

dang

[atomic abyss]

Don't worry all the skins will come back during Anni

[atomic abyss]

Anchorage should not have any impact on your FdG research tho

[remote yarrow]

Don't they have a cut like Black Friday?

[viscid swift]

Coin both at the same time

[tiny gulch]

all I can say is try to make sure you’re logging in and doing dailies, at least the ones that give cubes, you shouldn’t really ever run out of for UR events

[icy mountain]

i mean, like coining

[atomic abyss]

You can coin both

[tiny gulch]

did you get Mogador at least

[icy mountain]

guess ill just do 12-4 to farm coins

[torn raft]

yes got 2 mogadors

[tiny gulch]

nice

[torn raft]

what is she good for

[atomic abyss]

I would pause Anchorage if she's already d25 to focus on fdg if you're lacking coins

[viscid swift]

Off tank DPS

[atomic abyss]

Gun damage basically

[tiny gulch]

well I’d 125 her over any of the ships you posted earlier

or just sit on em, that’s not really a lot of arrays

if you want a safe 125 cuz the arrays burning a hole in your pocket or something then just 125 unicorn

[pliant lily]

When is the anni? Or it happened already?

[gray sphinx]

I think it should be somewhere in august

[static dome]

for EN? mid Aug iirc (if you need 2x gem to reset)

[pliant lily]

2x gem to reset?

[elfin hollow]

at least it gives you a chance to not make any bad financial decisions

[atomic abyss]

16 August for EN anni

[brisk shadow]

I have a question. I received Béarn META and all the crystals to upgrade it. Today I received 1 more copy from D3 above the norm. where did she go?

[fickle scarab]

Does sandy just get a barrage every mg shot?

[gray sphinx]

Too late cause I spent 27 bucks to buy the gatcha pack praying I hit Alsace or moga skin which I didn’t

[novel condor]

Rich mods being paid by Nozo

[atomic abyss]

Turned into meta shop currency

[tiny gulch]

yes

[gray sphinx]

It did get me the cubes to pull an Alsace tho and I bought the harbin skin with the gems I had so it’s a win for me

[pliant lily]

Will this event rerun? I couldn't get the weapon nor the chips for bearn meta

[atomic abyss]

Eventually
In about 2 years at least

[shadow yarrow]

From what i see of wichita meta, if i keep her at high health i’m not getting the best out of her?

[gray sphinx]

[pliant lily]

That's a lot of time, I hope I'll still alive for when that happens

[fickle scarab]

Do we have scaling yet?

[shadow yarrow]

how much of a leg up in DPS does she have over base at full health?

[atomic abyss]

We don't know

We haven't tested her yet

What we suspect is that she's probably gonna be decent in pvp

[atomic abyss]

All in the datamines

[remote yarrow]

Don't worry the gun might get powercrept or they might release a gun similar in power before it reruns

[atomic abyss]

That is very unlikely tbh..

[remote yarrow]

But we never know

[fickle scarab]

Wichita is light

[atomic abyss]

As she is as an obtainable ship

[fickle scarab]

Taken or dealt?

[topaz smelt]

looks pretty ass to me

[atomic abyss]

Taken

Michita is essentially a berserker

[hard mesa]

Dmg buff for michita

[late flame]

End of fight : Explosion noises

[pliant lily]

Ooooo hopefully I get something good soon, most of my guns if not every are still purple

[hallow iron]

Where do you read it? Trying to find it

[atomic abyss]

The best poverty CL gun is purple

[fickle scarab]

Pins

[topaz smelt]

cant wait for cope cn dps numbers in a few hours for ppl to forget dead ships dont do dmg

[atomic abyss]

Check the pins

[ember totem]

anyone have a tl;dr of the augments

[tiny gulch]

Wichita meta is great design, big fan of her art and kit and looking forward to using her maybe in PVP

[shadow yarrow]

like at first glance she just has the double gun and trades the artycom for ssr stats and acc/rld
im not a pvp freak either so

[tiny gulch]

seems like she could maybe replace JintsuuM depending on her numbers

[atomic abyss]

Sandy super stonks
Izumo now beats monarch
Malin is now starter kai level
Rest can be ignored

[viscid swift]

Sandy and Izumo Good,
Le Malin meh

There are 2 other augments?

[ember totem]

Monarch augment when

[atomic abyss]

Izumo has 100% proc rate and -4 gun spread so

It's honestly a good buff for her

[pliant lily]

Will it be good to pull for the upcoming banner? I have like 40 or 50 cubes only

[atomic abyss]

Sandy effectively gained another gun mount

[remote yarrow]

Like Emden Rerun? Probably not, she's a good CL but 50 cubes is really low even after a dead week

[pliant lily]

Ahh, I'll save them for now then

[remote yarrow]

Save for Vanguard Rerun whenever she comes back

[fickle scarab]

Sandy augment can be great or bad, everything else doesn't matter

[dawn hamlet]

is it hard to get Gneisenau and Scharnhorst? I never tried war archive but I'm interested to increase ib fleet tech

[atomic abyss]

Depends on your luck as always

[fickle scarab]

Rng

[tiny gulch]

sandy is now hu pen kai
Izumo is at or past Owari now
haven’t seen le malin barrage numbers but she’s probably still mogged by avrora
Jamaica is a must have for your Sheffield led HMS vanguard
Spence

[atomic abyss]

past Owari what

[dawn hamlet]

alright thanks guys

[tiny gulch]

streets are saying that

[remote yarrow]

You haven't read the datamine have you?

[atomic abyss]

The streets of morons maybe

[remote yarrow]

Even if it's just "On paper" it looks really good

[shadow yarrow]

im just trying to theorycraft what difference she has from regular wichita at full health
ssr stats but artycom replaced with rld buff

[ember totem]

what is hu pen

[atomic abyss]

There's no further buff to her barrage

[sweet delta]

Circus on the street

[fickle scarab]

Youre not gonna tell me izumo is good now will you

[tiny gulch]

Chinese DD that barrages with every main gun shot

[remote yarrow]

Well she is

[atomic abyss]

Izumo since her fate sim isn't bad

[ember totem]

oh the tiger DD

[atomic abyss]

She's just average at best

Now this makes her good

[fickle scarab]

[viscid swift]

Izumo bad meme just needs to die, in both games

[atomic abyss]

While I wouldn't say "Owari" tier
She should definitely pass Hood and Nelson Kai

[fickle scarab]

Hood is in the past now

[topaz smelt]

i see her better as a mobber

[atomic abyss]

[pliant lily]

I use hood and she is fun :>

[atomic abyss]

Aiger you're living in the past...

[fickle scarab]

Probably yes

[ember totem]

he has a snail icon after all

[topaz smelt]

its monarchbad now

[ember totem]

[shell pilot]

hello

[atomic abyss]

Hood already has 100% proc rate on barrage
And doubled damage on light with her barrage

[atomic abyss]

Pretty much this

[tiny gulch]

is owari tier really such a high mark? being the best gold BB which Izumo might be now is still a pretty dubious honor and completely irrelevant for a large swath of the playerbase after all

[viscid swift]

Well she's literally just a stones throw away from FDG damage wise

[atomic abyss]

And the fact is that Owari doesn't need loads of coins to be that level

Izumo didn't get any buff to her barrage damage

[pliant lily]

How to get exp books?

[atomic abyss]

Skill exp books or ship exp books

[pliant lily]

Ship exp books

[remote yarrow]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Living_Area#Lecture_Hall

[topaz smelt]

she gets a flat damage buff which is already really good

[atomic abyss]

That and from cruise pass

I do think Izumo is actually much better now
But I don't think she's passing Owari

[pliant lily]

The beginner missions also give exp books right?

[fickle scarab]

That don't apply to barrage?

[hard mesa]

apply to all attacks

[atomic abyss]

You wanna compare that to hood who literally does double damage against light from her aug?

[topaz smelt]

i think shes competitive

[atomic abyss]

And one issue people tend to forget about Izumo is

Only one small portion of her barrage actually deals relevant damage

[shell pilot]

Tanky

[atomic abyss]

The bit that arcs from her FS5

Most of her barrage still doesn't arc so shields go brrrrt

[remote yarrow]

Idk I might be talking out of my ass but I think pvp might like Michita

[steady beacon]

What does the railgun do

[atomic abyss]

At the end of the day

[topaz smelt]

it shoots

[remote yarrow]

pewpew

[winter condor]

sandy with augment is gonna be ex at this point lol

[atomic abyss]

Izumo needs so much darn investment to be even comparable to Owari so

[steady beacon]

If it can't do like Jintsuu's death torps, and wipe a backliner or two just by dying
Idt it's gonna go over favourably

[atomic abyss]

Once again, the issue boils down to opportunity cost

[topaz smelt]

i dont think its wiping anything out

[steady beacon]

Shame

[hallow iron]

There was a spreadsheet I had seen before comparing aa dmg of all the ships
(I'm assuming for w15)

Anyone knows where it's located

[tiny gulch]

am i blind or is owari barrage not on wiki
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Barrage#Skill_barrages

[atomic abyss]

Is it a great buff? Yes
Is she gonna be relevant?

[hard mesa]

isnt it more like bomb than laser?

[tiny gulch]

no gold BB is really relevant

[shell pilot]

some barrage are not on the wiki

[hard mesa]

just let me use izumo

[tiny gulch]

i think she'll be plenty relevant for new players

[atomic abyss]

Not really

[crimson glacier]

research too clunky for new players

[topaz smelt]

maybe if they whale the free pr1

[steady beacon]

26 speed and paper-thin durability is also probably not a point in her favour

[atomic abyss]

By the time a new player starts research in earnest they'd have reach w12

[ocean fiber]

Is constellation a good ship to level up?

[viscid swift]

Maybe

[topaz smelt]

shes wichita but half hp

[shell pilot]

yes

[ocean fiber]

May I ask why

[fickle scarab]

When do you even get izumo cuz as far I'm aware pr goes roon and saint then fdg then pr4 then pr5 then pr6 then tenrai farm

[shell pilot]

She's a common USS BB so her reload and AA is high and most good BB gun are eagle union ones

[atomic abyss]

Common
What

[tiny gulch]

most ppl do saint louis first i think but it depends on the event you start

[atomic abyss]

If anything, I'd skip Sanrui and Roon entirely and get Izumo instead...

[tiny gulch]

the amount of US ships you get early usually forces people to click saint louis

[shell pilot]

USS BBs are all balance with a good AA is what I meant by common USS BB

[atomic abyss]

That's very misleading...

[topaz smelt]

common ytuber viewer

[shell pilot]

sorry

[ocean fiber]

Ok good thing she is being leveled up and suck in dorms and skills area

[atomic abyss]

Stella is good because she can get 100% proc rate on her barrage and strong self buffs

She's one of the better SR BBs for sure

[tiny gulch]

idk i'm lookin off stats alone and i don't see how izumo wouldn't be in contention for best gold BB with her augment
she'll have UR stats and a pretty sizeable self damage buff, and her barrage has always been fairly solid (and now procs 100% of the time)

[shell pilot]

Stella?

[atomic abyss]

Con-stella-tion

[fickle scarab]

Constellation

[atomic abyss]

That's not the issue
You're missing the point

[crimson glacier]

UR stats? what

[ocean fiber]

So basically add constellation to your fleet for tougher worlds

[atomic abyss]

The point is the sheer amount of investment to get that kinda mileage out of her

And no she does not have UR stats

[tiny gulch]

she's just a research ship

[shell pilot]

9k Hp above and 450FP

[crimson glacier]

and she is still nowhere near fdg stats

[sweet delta]

Just remember that papi is the one who absolutely insisted on WV retro for new players

[atomic abyss]

Soooo coins for BPs, coins for augmentss...

[tiny gulch]

477 FP

[crimson glacier]

140% effi

no fp buffs

[shell pilot]

wait is 477 now common for UR ships?

[sweet delta]

Hi guys I'm a new player how do I get this 10 sakura empire ships for izumo

[crimson glacier]

no reload buffs

[tiny gulch]

140% efficiency is literally the same as owari

[crimson glacier]

and owari isnt UR is she

[tiny gulch]

i said UR stats talking about her FP specifically

[shell pilot]

Oh

[crimson glacier]

fdg without gear is 550 fp

[fickle scarab]

WV?

[remote yarrow]

West Virginia

[atomic abyss]

Let's see
3k every 10 BP
She uses 508 BPs
153k coins
Another 21k for augment

[tiny gulch]

wiki says 458

[crimson glacier]

with gear she goes even more out of reach for izumo

[topaz smelt]

smh ender 2bps a day for 0 coins

[crimson glacier]

fdg has 20% fp buff

[topaz smelt]

shes essentially free

[atomic abyss]

To be fair Torva

Izumo now gets 15% dmg buff

[shell pilot]

Prince of wales has higher

[crimson glacier]

i didnt even count fdgs dmg buffs

and yet prince of wales isnt relevant is she?

[atomic abyss]

Warkai says hi too

[crimson glacier]

135% effi lol

[shell pilot]

Currently finding that out with my 1k FP plan

[tiny gulch]

i'm not suggesting she puts up UR numbers, i'm suggesting she might be the best gold BB now, so i'm not sure why you're talking about FdG so much

[crimson glacier]

well fdg is the easiest to get rainbow BB

[remote yarrow]

🍿

[crimson glacier]

if you want to call izumo UR stats, then what is the better place to compare her to

[hard mesa]

[crimson glacier]

than the most newbie friendly rainbow BB

[topaz smelt]

you compare her to hindy
izumo fp > hindy fp
izumo ur stated

[crimson glacier]

damn she also beats shima

[tiny gulch]

i'm not really talking about post-skill stats unless you're willing to calc this stuff out

[fickle scarab]

[atomic abyss]

Soooooo
Then it takes you a mind boggling 8.5 months to make her relevant
In that time a player would have likely gotten a UR and DR BB...

[tiny gulch]

post augment izumo is looking at the 2nd highest base FP in the game

[crimson glacier]

you arent willing to talk post skills coz izumo has no skills lol

[topaz smelt]

ye shes relevant in your dock

[tiny gulch]

torva she has 15% damage increase now with the aug

[atomic abyss]

Warkai says hi again

[shell pilot]

wait who's the 1st?

[crimson glacier]

ok? fdg has 20% dmg increase

[tiny gulch]

musashi at 479

[atomic abyss]

High FP is meaningless if you don't have the efficiency to back it up

[fickle scarab]

Fdg blows that out of the water

[crimson glacier]

and that 20% dmg increase is the weaker of her buffs

[shell pilot]

Indeed

[tiny gulch]

again not sure why we're talking about FdG when i was comparing her to Owari

[atomic abyss]

I mean

[fickle scarab]

And fdg has 160 eff why are we doing this comparison

[crimson glacier]

why owari

[tiny gulch]

you're getting fixated on a statement about her base FP, it's really not that serious

[atomic abyss]

The difference is that Owari doesn't take 180k coins to be good

[fickle scarab]

Then why mention the ur bit

[atomic abyss]

And Owari's barrage is far better in practice

[crimson glacier]

owari also has more FP

[shell pilot]

Hot take here, Georgia is better than FDG

[atomic abyss]

That is a hot take

[crimson glacier]

thats not hot take, thats just trolling

[tiny gulch]

so would you suggest a new player get owari instead of researching izumo?

[crimson glacier]

????????

[atomic abyss]

No, a new player shd just start fdg

[fickle scarab]

Troll

[calm rose]

U can't even get owari as a new player

[tiny gulch]

that's my point

[shell pilot]

Georgia deals 16k with crit and FDG deals 15k with crit and the dmg buff

[crimson glacier]

yeah so why are you comparing her to owari

[calm rose]

Fdg > owari is what I meant

[atomic abyss]

And Georgia is literally ONE GUN MOUNT LESS

[tiny gulch]

because owari is the best gold BB as of now no?

[calm rose]

Fdg is perma available my guy

[shell pilot]

but is better than shelling and barrage

[crimson glacier]

so you compare her to better ship, and when the better ship is better, you say that she is limited?

[fickle scarab]

Georgia has 2 guns, and a non guaranteed barrage that even if they land fdg still overpowers her by a lot

[tiny gulch]

how do you know Owari is the better ship

[crimson glacier]

its just example how this is going

[fickle scarab]

Not to mention fdg buffs

[atomic abyss]

Papi

It's the opposite

[crimson glacier]

the goalpost is moving faster than i can type

[atomic abyss]

You should be proving to us why Izumo is better

[shell pilot]

well if you both have them why not try it

[atomic abyss]

Burden of proof lies on the person making the claim

Not the person refuting it

[crimson glacier]

do you really think ppl havent used georgia

[topaz smelt]

srry ender common sense doesnt apply here

[atomic abyss]

I was around when Georgia came out

[crimson glacier]

she is 2019 ship

[atomic abyss]

I have done the calcs by hand

I can assure you FdG is so far ahead of her it isn't funny

[fickle scarab]

1:Game is on maint
2: already tested by others
3: not even close on paper
4: mine is dev30 lv70

[crimson glacier]

also georgia fate was just bad meanwhile fdg fate was really good

[shell pilot]

I'll do some run later since it's maint

[crimson glacier]

and non fate fgd was already past georgia

[atomic abyss]

FdG on release was close to double damage of all existing BBs

And Georgia's biggest issue

Is that if her target so much as moves

The barrage hits water

[topaz smelt]

i think fdg is the oldest tex ship

[tiny gulch]

here are my claims, so far you've mentioned

FdG is stronger than the gold BB
Ships cost coins
Owari is cheaper despite gacha RNG and event limited

[atomic abyss]

You are literally forced to run a slower with Georgia to make her do any real damage

[shell pilot]

wait so you only need to lvl 70 them to fully dev max them, I thought i need to lvl 100 them

[tiny gulch]

so what exactly do you want me to prove here? you're the one moving the goalposts

[fickle scarab]

For fs5

[tiny gulch]

none of you have actually talked about damage at all except riceist

[topaz smelt]

dunno why cost matters for performance

[shell pilot]

Damn I thought I was tripping or something

[inner delta]

[tiny gulch]

i don't know how much 477 FP + 15% damage + 100% barrage now compares with Owari, i tried looking on the wiki but owari's barrage info isn't there. They have the same efficiency, Izumo has way better stats

why is it so unreasonable to think izumo is up there now?

[sweet delta]

help my question went unanswered

[shell pilot]

construction

[hard mesa]

map drop

akaga

[steady beacon]

Are we talking about bossing, mobbing, or what else?

[warped bear]

Damn can't wait to see how OP hu pen and lung wu Kai will be now lmao

[shell pilot]

you need to build ships to get more sakura empire ships and other factions

[opaque galleon]

https://wiki.biligame.com/blhx/舰船图鉴 break a leg

[tiny gulch]

same, i have them prepped and ready to go

[fickle scarab]

Owari has better barrages, 20% fp/rld/hit

And 10% dmg buff

[crimson glacier]

owari is on wiki tho

[tiny gulch]

where? i checked skill barrages and did not see owari anywhere

[crimson glacier]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/BarrageDatamine

[tame jungle]

Riceist’s page

[tiny gulch]

nice

[shell pilot]

Another hot take here, Saratoga is better than Kearsarge

[crimson glacier]

true

[gray sphinx]

I think if you’re a newer player you should play it slow and go for other ships that would be better than izumo. If you really like izumo and want her tho then by all means. You might wanna grab ayanami.

[shell pilot]

Finally

[crimson glacier]

but thats not a hot take

[shell pilot]

To some yeah, also Ticonderoga is better than Kearsarge

[tiny gulch]

anyone got a gif or video of owari barrage?

izumo barrage seems better until you get to owari's 72 bullet count one

[patent pivot]

Thanks :)

[opaque galleon]

I gave you a link

[crimson glacier]

https://patchwiki.biligame.com/images/blhx/d/da/dg06dxqwd2z5mmmnqamuvuc335k4npf.gif

[remote yarrow]

boolets

[shell pilot]

ohhhh that's so cool

[shell pilot]

and it's mixed

[atomic abyss]

A key difference is that Owari's barrage actually aims at shit

[tiny gulch]

the 8 HE shells yeah

[opaque galleon]

Yeah and none of izumos are aimed bruh

Generously, you hit like 12/36 shots

[shell pilot]

ahhhhh

my curiosity is killing me

[fickle scarab]

?

[shell pilot]

1k FP Prince of Wales

[tiny gulch]

the obvious distinction is that owari should absolutely perform better against light, but i have my doubts she'd be able to keep up with izumo aug against med or heavy

[shell pilot]

currently she deals 5k with HE in w12-4 while being lvl 100

[crimson glacier]

your numbers are useless

[remote yarrow]

Anyways have gun with the Owai vs Izumo debate I'm gonna go sleep cya gph

[atomic abyss]

You do know that FP is like
Diminishing returns too right...

[tiny gulch]

what do you think 15% increased damage does compared to 20% FP out of curiosity?

I’m guessing increased damage is better % for % but not sure how they actually pan out

[shell pilot]

dmg increase is much better

[fickle scarab]

Owari has 10% dmg increase, you also forgot 20% hit

[tiny gulch]

so let’s see then

[atomic abyss]

Depends on a million things
Like gun efficiency
Already existing FP
Sources of damage

I can tell you for sure that 20% FP doesn't match 15% damage for a BB tho

[ember totem]

[patent pivot]

What are yall arguing about? I see numbers

[shell pilot]

Izumo being better

[fickle scarab]

Some guy trying to compare izumo and owari

[boreal wagon]

saying fp is diminishing returns is incredibly misleading btw

[atomic abyss]

Papi over here is of the opinion that FS5 Aug Izumo is better than Owari

[patent pivot]

I'll be back

[fickle scarab]

If you have 100 fp let's assume you do 100 dmg
Increase it by 50% you now do 50% more dmg 150, but increase it again by 50% you do 25% more dmg at 200

[boreal wagon]

that would be for FP percent increases yes but ender only stated FP in general

1 FP is 1 FP regardless how many you have was my point

[hard mesa]

what is diminishing

[fickle scarab]

Less value more you have of it

[turbid dawn]

I mean wasn’t izumo biggest problem that her barrage sucked? And it doesn’t seem like they buffed that at all so

[shell pilot]

so what do you think of my 1k FP plan for Prince of Wales

[fickle scarab]

And how you getting fp?

[boreal wagon]

there are flat FP sources in the game which wouldnt diminish, thats all my point is

[hard mesa]

ehh big fp buff still good

[tiny gulch]

426 FP + 55 FP + 70 FP + 20% = 661 FP
73 ACC + 15 ACC + 20% = 106 ACC
10% increased damage

602 FP
98 ACC
15% increased damage

how does 5% increased damage compare with 59 FP and 8 ACC?

[crimson glacier]

its more than 34

and probably more than 4 too, since all gear gets the % buff too

[fickle scarab]

They absolutely would

[opaque galleon]

You need to count gear stats lmao

[atomic abyss]

The biggest problem is that most of her barrage smacked into shields

[boreal wagon]

1 FP does not magically become 0.5 FP just because you have 1000 FP does it now

[inland shoal]

Tbh FP is kinda the opposite of diminishing, the more FP you already have the better 5% more is compared to 5% more dmg (it's always worse, just asymptotically the same as FP increases)

[boreal wagon]

the damage you gain from FP is a completely different topic

but the value itself does not diminish

[plain saffron]

Yeah but 1 fp increase dmg by roughly 1% even if it's high or low unlike rld which rapidly reduced in value the higher you go

[atomic abyss]

We tried this before
Back in 2018 before she was buffed
It doesn't save her

[inland shoal]

Well then even eva and rld don't diminish

[boreal wagon]

i mean factually speaking the stat itself doesnt

the logic that calculates the reload/eva rate just causes it to have diminishing returns

[opaque galleon]

Iirc there is a bit of diminishing effect because the damage formula adds a flat number

[fickle scarab]

10 fp when you have 100 ≠ 10 fp if you have 1k

[inland shoal]

Why are you shittalking my lord and saviour PoW?

[inland shoal]

Yeah sure but who cares about the stat itself?

[atomic abyss]

I come from an era where pre buff pow was T1.5...

[boreal wagon]

no one probably, i was just pointing out that simply stating "fp is diminishing" is misleading as it implies gaining 1 FP does not always grant 1 FP (or similar)

[topaz smelt]

Don't forget roon tier

[atomic abyss]

I mean her only competition on release were Hood, Warspite and Sodak so...

[turbid dawn]

I mean at the end of the day, Izumo barrage is still worse then say Hood or even Owari and requires so much more to make, that on top of the fact she’s not gonna replace any UR backline soon so why argue about this so much?

[atomic abyss]

That was my point from the very beginning

[tiny gulch]

426 FP + 55 FP + 70 FP + 20% = 661 FP
73 ACC + 15 ACC + 20% = 106 ACC
10% increased damage

602 FP
98 ACC
15% increased damage

how does 5% increased damage compare with 59 FP and 8 ACC?

[fickle scarab]

but here he Comes
I ignored her cuz she ain't replacing ur anyway

[crimson glacier]

what are you using for 55 and 70

[tiny gulch]

just a set of shells

[crimson glacier]

how about using guns

[opaque galleon]

Bruh, main gun, and secondary also have fp

[dense adder]

AA gun has fp too

[tiny gulch]

oh good point

[topaz smelt]

Pacifist bbs

[fickle scarab]

Staag is superior tho

[tiny gulch]

wish the game was up to check the stats instead of doing it the old fashioned way

[crimson glacier]

yeah i think staag would be more realistic

[atomic abyss]

Not so easy to calculate manually now is it

[topaz smelt]

Ender this is beyond basic

[tame jungle]

I love number

[crisp estuary]

How is the new meta?

[dense adder]

just make excel sheets guy

[fickle scarab]

Definition of a Glass canon

[atomic abyss]

Meh in PvE
She's a berserker
Low HP more dps

Potential for PvP perhaps?

[topaz smelt]

Potential to die faster

[crisp estuary]

More glass and more cannon than her normal?

[atomic abyss]

Somehow yes

[crimson glacier]

i doubt she is more glass

[topaz smelt]

She's the same stat with 1/2 hp

[tiny gulch]

staag is what, 10 HIT?

[fickle scarab]

Better than 15fp

[tiny gulch]

i'm asking not stating

[opaque galleon]

Yes

[fickle scarab]

Iirc

[crisp estuary]

Pog

[crimson glacier]

so am i missing something or isnt witchita meta just slightly more hp and a zombie skill

[crisp estuary]

Why is there Izumo talk? Augment?

[atomic abyss]

A pretty good augment ye

[fickle scarab]

Yes

[tiny gulch]

ok, so:

426 FP + 55 FP + 70 FP + 45 FP + 45 FP 20% = 769 FP
73 ACC + 15 ACC + 10 ACC + 20% = 118 ACC
10% increased damage

692 FP
108 ACC
15% increased damage

how does 5% increased damage compare with 77 FP and 10 ACC?

[opaque galleon]

“How does 5% increased damage compare to 12% FP and 9% ACC?”

[crimson glacier]

are you giving owari augment too

[opaque galleon]

Also true, if you’re being extra pedantic, you could even count the 20 additional FP for first salvo

[crimson glacier]

nah i dont care about that

[inland shoal]

It adds 100, but 100+x isn't diminishing, sqrt(x) or log(x) or x/(100+x), those are diminishing

[fickle scarab]

Am I wrong for thinking the 77 beats the 5%?

[tiny gulch]

oh no i forgot her purple augment but i don't think it's gonna swing the numbers all that much at that point really anyway, my question is i guess what does 5% damage weigh

[boreal wagon]

77 FP is not even 1% damage tho (its 0.77%)

[crimson glacier]

so you stack the odds aganst owari

[fickle scarab]

You are comparing augment izumo and non augment owari just keep things fair and remember it gives hit and fp

[crimson glacier]

yeah 77 isnt 1% dmg, its way better

[fickle scarab]

That's just cap

[boreal wagon]

FP is divided by 100

[topaz smelt]

Continue

[boreal wagon]

unless i have a bad case of morning brain and cant math which is possible

[crimson glacier]

i mean you could just use common sense

[topaz smelt]

+1 fp = +1% dmg additively

[inland shoal]

FP is divided by 100
% is dividing by 100

[crimson glacier]

do you think 20% fp means 0,77% dmg increase

[inland shoal]

You are dividing by 10k

[boreal wagon]

fair point

[opaque galleon]

Papi, at this point, you are asking this

Even without a generic aug on owari

And izumo barrage is kinda eh

[crimson glacier]

except that owari is still missing either 25fp+20% or 20hit+20%

[opaque galleon]

I think they did count it

[crimson glacier]

they didnt

[tiny gulch]

what are you talkin about torva, the augment?

[opaque galleon]

From the purple augment?

[crimson glacier]

purple aug

[opaque galleon]

Yeah, I mean, I think point still stands regardless

[tiny gulch]

let's assume it's fp and there's your 12% FP cuz it's 11% with the numbers i gave

[crimson glacier]

izumo gets stats from aug but owari doesnt

[opaque galleon]

Lmao what, if you add 25 fp, it’s like 15-16% more FP than izumo

[crimson glacier]

well its supposed to be 30fp

so 107 more than izumo

[tender lotus]

What tier sandy will be with her augment module?

[crimson glacier]

same as before, highest possible

[cobalt rapids]

ask in #ectl

[sweet delta]

is that a hidden channel

[hallow iron]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1rb_uXVmDnK2YKe-0YRTrf3VUcQi8mKwEMYKCBFmVXCc/htmlview#gid=0

Is this use to see ship aa or outdated?

[tiny gulch]

Reddit post about sandy aug

[cobalt rapids]

its updated but mby not for today

[sweet delta]

its updated but mby not useful

[fickle scarab]

Why on earth is vh guam seperate from guam if it's purely aa chart?

[hallow iron]

I don't exactly understand how to view the info, from my digging it seems like Isuzu is a budget sandy but she does better in the chart?

[rapid grail]

with her augment, is Izumo barrage now guaranteed everytime she fires her main guns?

[cobalt rapids]

isuzu is budget sandy when it comes to solo aa performance but that shouldnt be the only role u care about

[sweet delta]

Isuzu has. Better AA than preaugment sandy

[fickle scarab]

Yup

[fickle scarab]

Sandy has dmg

[crimson glacier]

the thing also is that isuzu doesnt buff the whole fleet

[rapid grail]

nvm she owned by owari, non PR ship 💀

[ember totem]

[steady beacon]

Owari pretty terrifying ngl

[hallow iron]

Ahh Ic the spreadsheet is calculating their solo performance

[inland shoal]

What did you expect? Owari is really strong and like 4? years younger

[patent pivot]

owari has 20% to important stats + 10% dmg, izumo has 15% dmg

[fickle scarab]

This showed me how much I underestimate fp

[silver lintel]

Isnt owari barrage>>>>>izumo

[tiny gulch]

I’m surprised to see owari HE barrage mog Izumo so hard on med and heavy

[cerulean stag]

is hood with augment more useful than amagi?

[hallow iron]

Hmm sandy also doesn't buff aa for the other ships right? Is sandy the better option simply cause she has more dmg (meaning not just to planes)

(sorry if this question is dumb)

[sweet delta]

How close are you to appearing on the fp ladder?

[tiny gulch]

sandy beats Isuzu in every way

[silver lintel]

Sandy buffs aa for the whole fleet

[sweet delta]

Read sandy skills

[fickle scarab]

Fleet power?
I have 6k I'm f2p

[silver lintel]

Isuzu has always been cope

[cobalt rapids]

sandy buffs whole fleet aa and she also has way better dmg especially with augment now
and surv
(and theres no dumb questions )

[hallow iron]

Ahh I misread it

[opaque galleon]

Depending on content, the extra Sandy barrage is worth 1-2 mgms isn’t it?

[tranquil saffron]

So sandy is going to be good AA support and now after this update good damage dealer too?

[hallow iron]

It said fleet, I though it meant herself sorry bout that

[sweet delta]

2-3

[hallow iron]

Should have read twice

[opaque galleon]

~~Historically accurate Sandy ~~

[tiny gulch]

Isuzu is a nice AA bot if you’re coping through 12-4 grind with underlvled jobbers but there’s not much reason to bring her for actually scary AA stuff over pretty much anyone

[fickle scarab]

And that img from earlier said barrage is better than any dd gun but not quite sure yet

[opaque galleon]

Well it is

Like way better

[sweet delta]

Not better than mog gun

[tiny gulch]

is it basically just mgm+3 except one of the guns ignores shields

[crimson glacier]

+3 would mean 4 guns

[hallow iron]

I'm guesing why (through digging) juneau is more recommended to build as a cope ship than Isuzu cause she's useful pvp? Not really cause her AA is comparable to Isuzu

[inner delta]

her dps is always been solid since her retro, it just this aug making her better

[crimson glacier]

its coz isuzu is rare as fuck

[tiny gulch]

Juneau retro is pretty good overall

[crimson glacier]

and juneau is better anyway

[fickle scarab]

Used her for my w15 clear

[tranquil saffron]

I suppose I didn't word it correctly, does this put her close to other damage dealers like shimakaze?

[tidal meteor]

Damn Wichita META's second skill, disgusting

[fickle scarab]

Not if you Manual that's for sure

[tiny gulch]

Isuzu is like vanguard vestal and about as good a slot as Vestal is, which is to say not at all

[inner delta]

idk

[tidal meteor]

Isn't it worse than Gneisenau META's?

[inland shoal]

Shima is a torp nuker, can't exactly compare them anyway

[inner delta]

i mean i assume he just saying shima kind of dmg dealer not exactly shima

[tranquil saffron]

^

[opaque galleon]

Also not to stir the pot, but why did you fixate so much on the dmg bonus compared to owari, and not the crit chance and main gun spread which I think are more interesting

[hallow iron]

Noteddd thankss

[tiny gulch]

Juneau with her retrofit is a pretty solid gunboat with good AA and obviously a menace at low ELO in PvP

Isuzu is just good at shooting planes down

these days it’s all about role compression

being really good at 1 thing doesn’t usually justify a vanguard slot unless that thing is surface damage

[tranquil saffron]

Sandy is probably going to be very useful for w15 mob

[fickle scarab]

I need an answer

[sweet delta]

Already is

[fickle scarab]

Always has been

[crimson glacier]

yeah sandy was already really good option for any world

[inner delta]

yea sandy is already useful in 15 both boss and mob

[tranquil saffron]

[tiny gulch]

do you think sandy aug puts shimanto in the dirt

[silver lintel]

Juneau back to meta pvp team now lol

[crimson glacier]

is shimanto worse than laffey2

[tiny gulch]

deadass? I just checked the PvP spreadsheet the other day and it was still JintsuuM Laffey2 FortuneM

[hallow iron]

Maybe updated today, she's the top recomended now

[tranquil saffron]

How big is the difference between level 120 and 125

[silver lintel]

With alsace in fortm got kicked

[hallow iron]

Which is why I was digging XD

[opaque galleon]

Level bonus alone is 10% iirc

[cobalt rapids]

ask mebot

[tiny gulch]

i think so don’t you? Laffey2 does a whole lot of different things well

[sweet delta]

The sheet was just a demo not a ready product

[crimson glacier]

i never had a reason to do w15 post guam laffey2 era

[tiny gulch]

same

[opaque galleon]

Is Sandy aug arguably tex?

[crimson glacier]

so idk, never really bothered to use laffey 2

[cobalt rapids]

#ectl

[tiny gulch]

are there any tex CLs currently

probably just ply right

[crimson glacier]

if there is Tex its ply

[tiny gulch]

yeah just ply

[blissful hamlet]

is sandy op now?

[inner delta]

@opaque galleon careful on language

[tranquil saffron]

What is Tex?

[crimson glacier]

no she was already OP long time ago

[fickle scarab]

Always has been

[blissful hamlet]

is sandy even more op now?

[opaque galleon]

I got hit with several pepes holding up signboards and forswore that server

[tiny gulch]

brutal

[blissful hamlet]

tosic server

[tiny gulch]

the question is will michita kick jintsuuM out

jintsuuM feels like she's hanging on by a thread there

[crimson glacier]

from only BBs to only carriers to mix back to only BBs huh

[blissful hamlet]

better discuss it on #pvp

[hallow iron]

I read that mogador no burning requirement applies to whole vanguard? So if she's paired with Jean de arc she can't crit the dash attack?

[tiny gulch]

i mean it's maintanance time, is there a problem to discuss it here?

[fickle scarab]

@slow fox why is vh guam seperate than normal guam in your aa chart?

[inland shoal]

I think so
At least Laffii survives better in my experience

[inland shoal]

JdA is a fake burn

[crimson glacier]

but i wouldnt use either as a tank

[sweet delta]

The whole fleet so yes

[tiny gulch]

it's been only BB for a little while now, since Soyuz iirc

[blissful hamlet]

people here have no idea how pvp works and you'll get misinformation about pvp here

[hallow iron]

Does fake burn still turn off mogador crit?

[crimson glacier]

no

[inland shoal]

No

[sweet delta]

Yes

[hallow iron]

Did sushi test already? U seems confident

[sweet delta]

Yes

[fickle scarab]

Don't confuse the guy

[crimson glacier]

jda burn isnt burn

its only called burn for the theme

its just like if you call water gas, your car still wont run with it

[inland shoal]

At any rate JdA burn doesn't apply the thing Mogador checks for

[hallow iron]

Hmm if sushi already test that mog never crit with jda maybe game just register it that way? So jda can't be pair with mog

[inland shoal]

Unless my memory has degraded to that of a gold fish

[crimson glacier]

jda doesnt pair with any burn skill coz it isnt burn

[sweet delta]

It's not never critical but yes mog rarely crit when withjda

[idle jungle]

Unique module:
San Diego:

1. AA increase 20%, 15% damage received decrease when {No.1} AA effect activated
2. Activate Lv1(10) special star barrage that ignore shield when her main gun fires.

[opaque galleon]

Should Sandy be using mog gun or 100mm Kai?

[honest cradle]

Twin100

[fickle scarab]

Twin 100 after Aug

[sweet delta]

113 would be reasonable too but I think 100 kai is better

[hallow iron]

Hmmmmm probably need more testing, it's fine I ask again some time later when people already form one opinion

[sweet delta]

It is a bug though, just wait for devs to fix it ignore

[crimson glacier]

but there is only one opinion

[tiny gulch]

https://i.imgur.com/HZ2cOj3.png

i wonder how this would perform on sandy

[fickle scarab]

Isn't that the new gearlab gun?

[tiny gulch]

yeah

[honest cradle]

I prefer the twin100 on Laffii over the mog gun, but since I only have one, I think Sandy gets it now...

[fickle scarab]

It's just better 120mm in terms of dmg and 0.04 faster fr

[crimson glacier]

if i had to guess, its really bad

[fickle scarab]

It is gonna be really bad

[inland shoal]

And how exactly do you explain this? Since Mogador just checks for ignited and JdA doesn't apply ignited?

[crimson glacier]

the 2nd gun mount is going to do nothing, and it has absolute garbage dps

[sweet delta]

I don't explain it, it just happens

[honest cradle]

Have either of you actually tested it?

[tiny gulch]

time to make another rainbow DD gun i guess 😔

[inner delta]

i mean thorin just check the coding

[tiny gulch]

think i'll have to wait a bit for more prints though

just burned a bunch on a third mk7

gold gun plates feel insurmountable

[honest cradle]

I think another wyvern will help my w15 fleet more than another DD gun

[tiny gulch]

how many wyverns do you have

[honest cradle]

1

[slow fox]

Very good question. No reason.

[tiny gulch]

yeah should probably get a couple more wyverns then with your generals

think 3 is the sweet spot

[sharp socket]

how many wyverns should i get

[slow fox]

0 is the best number of Wyverns to have

[honest cradle]

I just cleared 15-3 with pretty crappy gear

[sharp socket]

i hear answers from 2, 3 and 4

[novel condor]

Typically 3 tbh

[tiny gulch]

i'm not sure what you'd prioritize with your main gun prints between the DD gun and the mk7 now though

DD gun feels more generally useful but we're about to have a light armor META boss

[sharp socket]

should i get some other stuff after my first wyvern or just hard focus them

[inner delta]

max you will prolly ever use without shoving it into avi padding is 4

so it's possible if you use less if you don't need that much

[tiny gulch]

i'd use general BPs on wyvern until you have 3 of them and then go from there

[honest cradle]

Unless you do a lot of triple BB synching, I don't see the value? I just did +13 on a proto mk6 for Alsace preload and she nukes hard

[dense adder]

I crafted 3 wyverns and 3 NJ guns

[tiny gulch]

i think you'd want 3 total Mk7s just for light armor syncing yeah, then all DD guns after that

[boreal oriole]

Mog gun or Twin 100mm for post Sandy Augment?

[dense adder]

4 100mm Rainbow DD guns and 1 rainbow AA gun

[tiny gulch]

as far as generals go i'm not sure what else you'd use them on than DD guns once you have 3 wyvern and 3 mk7 though

[honest cradle]

That's so rare, I can just use mk6s

[tiny gulch]

well, it depends, i only had to craft 1 of them

[opaque galleon]

I think the proto 406 is better than mk 7 for Alsace if you don’t care about syncing

[tiny gulch]

tall ask if you need to craft 3 mk7s, not sure how you'd approach that

[honest cradle]

Say no

[boreal oriole]

Just checked the Datamine but didn't see anything regarding of , But is San Diego's Augment barrage goes off everytime she fires or is there a cool down?

[cobalt rapids]

i dont think theres any difficult content where u dont care about timings

[sweet delta]

No cool down

[honest cradle]

Typically you want AP in those cases

[cobalt rapids]

typically i want w.e is best for what im dealing with

[sharp socket]

is challenge mode the true endgame content

[tiny gulch]

we're about to have wichita META fight that's light armor so there's a good chance kill fleets are triple BB with Mk7s no?

[boreal oriole]

Thanks, Damn I think that's pretty very good

[sweet delta]

Great minds think alike

[honest cradle]

Sure. Craft 3 then if you have unlimited gear mats. I thought we were talking about priorities?

[opaque galleon]

Sandy approaching Plymouth dps?

[cobalt rapids]

yes and proto mk6 +13 isnt a priority

[tiny gulch]

well thing is you only need 3 mk7s ever probably, you could make DD guns until end of service

[faint jacinth]

hello guys where to farm good gear for my ship?

[dense adder]

should I craft more rainbow AA gun?

[cobalt rapids]

techboxes, research, gearlab (opsi)

[inland shoal]

OpSi

[faint jacinth]

opsi?

[cobalt rapids]

operation siren

[tiny gulch]

i don't think i'd wanna use general BPs on them but if you have enough AA prints i don't see why not

[dense adder]

I see

[faint jacinth]

ohh

[sweet delta]

If you need help with w15 then yes

[tiny gulch]

we just got gear lab update this month so you can expect it'll be like another 6 months until the next one, so far gear lab updates have been predictable and i think the next one isn't til january

[faint jacinth]

when maint ending btw?

[tiny gulch]

i've just started hoarding prints like 2-3 months in advance in anticipation of a good new gear and it never comes

[cobalt rapids]

click on event details on discord

[steady beacon]

3hr 45 min in theory

[sharp socket]

also i saw this while i was fighting abyssal why am i playing flashlight

[faint jacinth]

oh ty

[cobalt rapids]

u got hit by equilibriums blinding torps

[sharp socket]

huh alright

can my ships aim still

[sweet delta]

They are torps?

Vanguard guns can aim

[cobalt rapids]

ur vang can but backline cannot launch, ig vang torps neither

[sharp socket]

oh alright

[faint jacinth]

which ship should i prio retrofit? independence or saratoga

[sweet delta]

Mby I should get an equilibrium emote for when cheeky posts the MLB thing

[fickle scarab]

Indep

[sharp socket]

also is there boss attack and movement timing and patterns for each meta boss

[south sequoia]

Do we have any napkin math for sandy post augment

[fickle scarab]

Basically a free main gun

[south sequoia]

Mm, how close to plym/harb?

[slow fox]

Napkin Math is requested

[cobalt rapids]

either is fine, depends on ur dock

[tiny gulch]

maybe San Diego

[south sequoia]

Well "free"

[faint jacinth]

i already did sandy

[tiny gulch]

cool indep then

[south sequoia]

Uweh is this tankiness

[fickle scarab]

2 barrages every time mg fires

[sharp socket]

sushi gummy man that reacted where is this info

[sweet delta]

What about Izumo ehp

[south sequoia]

I assume left right means in between??

[cobalt rapids]

is she tankier than owari

[tiny gulch]

I think it means she’s up there somewhere again

[south sequoia]

Oh

[slow fox]

Backline eHP doen't have enemy damage distributions teehee

[tiny gulch]

back to cream of the crop surface damage

a Reddit user had this to say

[sweet delta]

Movement timing is in the game code and somewhere on CN wiki and unfortunately I cannot find it for you

[sharp socket]

what is your NOOO emote called

[faint jacinth]

oh ye how is warspite to this day? i just came back playing al for 7 yrs

[cobalt rapids]

this reddit user prob doesnt own a mog gun

[fickle scarab]

Shit overpriced bb

[south sequoia]

Very underwhelming for her cost

[sweet delta]

It just means around there because ply and Harbin are almost the same already, just different on different armors

[sharp socket]

[south sequoia]

Oh wow that augment does wonders for sandy

[faint jacinth]

ngl gear lab confused me

[sweet delta]

Average reddit moment

[fickle scarab]

You simply play opsi to get mats that craft gear

[sharp socket]

should i bother messing around inside the game files to find timing and attack movement patterns

[cobalt rapids]

i mean worth is subjective

[inland shoal]

For what exactly?

[tiny gulch]

sandy aug feels like laff2 stand-in for ppl that missed her

[sharp socket]

helena meta

3 auto deploys a day is killing me

[tiny gulch]

AA and ASW with good damage

[south sequoia]

Hmm, would this put sandys retrofit on a higher priority or would it be lower still considering how expensive it is to gather her augment let alone retrofit her

[fickle scarab]

She ain't immortal tho

[sweet delta]

Just try different things and use the best

[sharp socket]

alternatively i could record the whole fight and map it manually

[inland shoal]

Well have fun ig
Trust me when I tell you game files are rly annoying tho
Maybe just ask Yahoo

[honest cradle]

Hot take. I think that might be right. Will help new players with w15

[tiny gulch]

true and I’m assuming her damage is a little higher but they seem pretty similar

[fickle scarab]

I don't remember if her retro was what gives mg+1 but if it is then the retro is more worth it

[faint jacinth]

what is augment?

[crimson glacier]

sandy gets mgm+1 from modernization

shes dogshit before retro

[fickle scarab]

"New" gear you put alongside your standard gear that gives stats and super rare ones change skills for certain ships

[sharp socket]

theres alot of untapped potential here for mapping out bosses and their patterns unless someone else has already done it and their info just isnt here

[faint jacinth]

i see

[honest cradle]

Laffii can tank. Sandy is still off-tank IMO. But Sandy does more dmg

Plus much more AA

[tiny gulch]

can’t think of a CL retro you’d put higher if her aug is as good as advertised

[honest cradle]

Some would say Helena

[vale spindle]

im not sure if sandy barrage procs every main gun or once per main gun cycle

[sweet delta]

Are samvals done

[vale spindle]

so stay tuned on that

no and they probably wont be for a while

[south sequoia]

no one would say helena

[sharp socket]

also about the wyverns my guild recommends me to get 6

[tiny gulch]

helena retro isn’t really valuable until your BBs are fast

[honest cradle]

I'm waiting on your Jamaican take

[sweet delta]

It procs ON_FIRE which doesn't work with torps and aa gun but does for each mgm

[vale spindle]

Jamaica is a damage oriented cl with bad stats and skills collection only

[south sequoia]

Helena is still worth retrofitting yes but it's still very low priority compared to a lot of options

[honest cradle]

And Sandy isn't really needed until w13 🤷‍♂️

[vale spindle]

Probably need like 3

[inner delta]

sandy retro is for all world, not just 13

she just have good dmg

[vale spindle]

I have 2 and im fine so you can even go less if you want

[inland shoal]

Uses same proccing as AoA (just without the counter)

[tiny gulch]

for her AA yeah, but if her surface damage is that high now then why wouldn’t you want her ASAP

[south sequoia]

With this augment, sandys damage can go even higher where you can dismiss her AA niche all together

Also mind you, sandy is also used for world 14 and she is a good option in there

[honest cradle]

I agree with you. I got her early and used her. I've never been a Helena fan.

[hard mesa]

pretty much sandy retro improve her overall stats and +1mgm boost her dmg, her AA is already high before retro

[vale spindle]

por que no los dos

[tiny gulch]

its definitely gonna be a lengthy process for a noob to get her retro and augment but who else would provide as much impact in the early worlds where your vanguard is typically doing the heavy lifting anyway

unicorn then sandy imo

[vale spindle]

Sandy retrofit is very expensive

[honest cradle]

Sara is good and fairly cheap

[south sequoia]

Noobs also need to gather augments

[cobalt rapids]

by the time sandy gets retroauged vang shouldnt do the heavy lifting anymore
but mby now its worth to sacc a burin for sandy retro depending on ur prios

[vale spindle]

honestly with the augment you can probably just ignore the retrofit and get by with barrage spam early

[lofty zodiac]

Is "AoA" the same as "AA"

[inner delta]

no

[vale spindle]

Single 76 unretro sandy might go hard idk

[south sequoia]

AoA = All out assault
AA = Anti air

[honest cradle]

Love it! Super cheap mobber

[vale spindle]

this is speculation btw please dont do this unless its tested to be good

[sharp socket]

i prefarmed her retro mats after retro’ing laffey one, portland, sara, unicorn and helena in that order

[lofty zodiac]

Ho it a vanguard skill right?

[vale spindle]

AoA is on vanguard ships yes

[tiny gulch]

yeah i don’t have any idea what early game augment mat economy is like, i assume they get a chunk of em from some source but no clue

[vale spindle]

Nope the major source is augment daily but lvl 35 is not as good as lvl 75

[honest cradle]

I did Nelson early too

[vale spindle]

I guess events too

[tiny gulch]

wonder how long it would take a new player to get enough augment mats to make a unique augment

[vale spindle]

only one way to find out

[honest cradle]

You can do one augment pretty quick

[tiny gulch]

can’t make an alt due to maintenance oh no guess we’ll never find out

[honest cradle]

Then it's a grind

[sweet delta]

Are there wiki numbers for augment and supply line drops?

[vale spindle]

Yes

[sweet delta]

But quite incomplete

[tiny gulch]

new player would probably have a hard time getting their hands on the augment mats from event shop, but milestone rewards during events give a nice chunk don’t they

[vale spindle]

how so

[tiny gulch]

battle pass as well gives a bunch

[vale spindle]

maybe a wiki contributor could go fix it perhaps if it lacked critical information

[honest cradle]

If you start during an event, you can buy the mats right away. I think that's how I afforded one early

[tiny gulch]

if you start during an event you’re gonna have a tough time farming event points and augment mats are pretty low priority compared to most things in there though

[cobalt rapids]

here

[faint jacinth]

why discord sending my message second time

[honest cradle]

Yeah. I was an idiot.

[vale spindle]

It does that sometimes

[honest cradle]

I couldn't afford Unzen's gun

[faint jacinth]

anyway thanks again imma dig in on arknights ❤️

[tiny gulch]

how many gold nugs do you need for a unique augment

[vale spindle]

/wiki augmentation

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Augmentation

[tiny gulch]

15 cores and 15x gold stones

battle pass seems to give most of the exp needed but I got no clue where a noob gets 15 cores from

in a timely fashion anyway

[plain saffron]

That's why there's usually those limited time daily

Whenever more Aug get released

[tiny gulch]

are we getting another round of that after maint?

[silver lintel]

Will sandy rise to top cl dps with aug now lol

[fickle scarab]

She is already top tier before the augment

[tiny gulch]

seems like it

[silver lintel]

Before aug her surface dmg is just okish

[plain saffron]

Sandy have 1 or 2 mgm?

[cobalt rapids]

sandy have 1, sandyretro have 2

[plain saffron]

The barrage trigger per gun or not?

[cobalt rapids]

per gun

[plain saffron]

So 2 mgm + 2 barrage?

[soft raft]

[eternal basalt]

Check on CN?

[honest cradle]

The screen will be covered in stars full time. And all we'll hear is "I'm numba wan!" Incessantly.

[south sequoia]

the memes of sandy aug being just loud noises is becoming real

[eternal basalt]

We have already an aux making TERRIBLE noises

[honest cradle]

We'll need a mute Sandy setting like the carrier one

[soft raft]

Good thing I play this game on mute

[crisp wraith]

andy

Wait I didn't meant to type that

[soft raft]

Any other notable augs besides Sandy's or is it the typical slop

[eternal basalt]

They are terrible ships, what do yyou expect?

[inland shoal]

Izumo aug is good but well Izumo

And none of the augments look bad tbh

[tiny gulch]

jamaica augment is a must get for your sheffield muse exodia fleet

[hardy citrus]

Even le malin?

I thought she was ok or is it js me

[inland shoal]

Yeah ok that skill is useless
Is it worse than purple aug tho?

[soft raft]

frankly I dont think she's been relevant much at all

[inland shoal]

Just you

[hardy citrus]

Yikes 😭

[tiny gulch]

is what worse than purple aug

[inland shoal]

Malin only relevant for speed memes
And FP tech ig

Jamaica aug
Assuming you don't use her with Sheff

[tiny gulch]

jamaica? probably not worse than purple aug but nobody using jamica or sheff

30 FP is still better than a purple aug isn't it

i wonder what spence barrage looks like

[uneven cave]

She was ok back then, but that's like 4 years ago

[tiny gulch]

i still wanna know what le malin's barrage looks like as well

[inland shoal]

By looks like you mean the actual looks?

[tiny gulch]

that and damage numbers

[inland shoal]

Damage numbers should be in datamine

[tiny gulch]

Dmg: 1x1x105, AP(100/100/100), Coeff: 1, Scale: 1 TRP, Speed: 80, bullet range: 150, Pierce: 99, accels, ignore Shields, prio aim

is that just a single slash barrage

[eternal basalt]

Yes, even Le Malin.... sss tier skin, but as ship

[uncut oar]

Is Sandy's barrage good or is it just a "it's literally any upgrade to an already useful ship" aug?

[inner delta]

her aug is just seem good overall

[uncut oar]

I'm specifically asking about the barrage, the rest of the aug is good yeah

[inland shoal]

The barrage seems kinda cracked imo

[eternal basalt]

I mean, if it is the same stars as her augment skill...

[uncut oar]

I wanna know how strong that barrage itself is though I'm guessing not very since it procs per main gun salvo and sandy's one of the CLs that can run DD guns

[inland shoal]

It's like almost 2 additional gun mounts

[uncut oar]

Is there a world where you use a barrage gun with it?

[inland shoal]

Probably just 100 kai

[uncut oar]

Yeah that's fair, that was what I was expecting, her gun stats aren't terrible

[inland shoal]

Sam proposed 76mm pre retro
Will need testing to conclusively tell tbh

[tiny gulch]

sandy the first mgm+3

ssg #1

[uncut oar]

Yeah yeah I was just wanting to know what ballpark, this helps a bunch already thanks Thorin

Still not used to reading barrage numbers

[jaunty vault]

no one is

[inland shoal]

Me neither and I'm the one who provides them

[uncut oar]

[jaunty vault]

told ya

[uncut oar]

Fair game even more reason to do w13 after this maint considering that's all the screen time Sandy's getting

[inland shoal]

Sandy is good anywhere

Like I'd say one of the top choices for w13, w15 and also w14 to a slightly lesser extent

[jaunty vault]

unironically poverty option in w14

so is izumo basically better hood now

[boreal oriole]

Wichita Meta looks like a Funky Phoenix (Aka Zombie ship) that Judgement barrage looks interesting,

[blazing shale]

Sandy power house after maint

[jaunty vault]

she gonna become better plymouth

[uncut oar]

yeah, Sandy's good for surface damage anyways, I just don't really want to use her because she's really annoying.

insert mental image of sandy gif here

[south sequoia]

Just mute

[autumn egret]

Hello I want to know more about special armament...

[south sequoia]

Armament? Are you talking about augment modules?

[autumn egret]

Ah no...the one that are used in campaigns uh something like in strategy

[south sequoia]

Can you be a bit more specific?

[uncut oar]

I don't have nearly as much of an issue with the other shipgirls' lines, if I could poison sandy into being mute I would /s but yeah, at least using her in w13

[autumn egret]

Uhm I can send some sort of missile into the map that damages enemies(a little)

[south sequoia]

Ah those, what more do you need to know about them?

[soft raft]

Sounds like one of the DDG's abilities
not like it's really worth a damn tho tbh

[autumn egret]

Are there perhaps other type of them?

[zinc turret]

Huh ? In strategy and its can damage enemy a little , heard like attack mode of submarine

[south sequoia]

There are technically more of them but they aren't applied the same way missiles do

[soft raft]

there's a airstrike one in W15 that's kinda different but it simillarly does squat shit

[jaunty vault]

cant be used on bosses

[south sequoia]

There is oscars meowfficer skill that damages the enemy before battle
If a submarine attacks a fleet it damages the enemy before battle
There are airstrikes in world 15 that can behave the same way as the missiles do, both cant be used against bosses

[autumn egret]

Ah okay thanks!

[real shuttle]

with sandy's new augment, does she gonna perform well in W15 mob then?

[south sequoia]

We don't know yet

Best we have is napkin math

As for on field nothing yet

But we can expect results in the coming days since it is only an augment module

[crisp estuary]

[inner delta]

do you have anything against cleo? she was just saying "potentially"

idk why but you seems to be quoting cleo alot

[jaunty vault]

i do?

[inner delta]

yea

[jaunty vault]

idk yuki i was just spreading knowledge

[inner delta]

well "alot" is subjective, im just saying you just more quoting her than anyone else most of the time

[jaunty vault]

cause i have no idea how sandy augment works

and it seems like cleo does

i have been busy and havent had time to look at her augment

[inner delta]

? yeah and every other people also make assumtion

if i warn these shit then there would be 0 people in here

[uncut oar]

I want to say that cooper quoting cleo doesn't seem to be malicious so saying "having anything against cleo" seems to be a little off.

[jaunty vault]

exactly

thank you ariel

i never said she was wrong

[uncut oar]

the very fact cooper's quoting her when answering the question would imply that cooper respects cleo's input enough to pass it on to somebody else

I'm sorry if I am butting into something that doesn't concern me but there's my two cents, anyways

[tame jungle]

no i agree as well, i'm definitely not detecting any malicious intent on cooper's part here

it would be something else if cooper was clearly mocking the statement here but i don't think he is

[calm rose]

i mean cleo was right there, could just ask the person, if shes offended

[novel condor]

[icy mountain]

isnt this aux similar to the catapult?

[jaunty vault]

it is

[calm rose]

in pve content its only 18hp lesser iirc

[inland shoal]

Honestly though can't you render her mute by deleting her voice files?

[jaunty vault]

you can delete voice files for specific ships?

[inland shoal]

I think you can delete voice files for specific voice lines even

[icy mountain]

does the passive matter alot on pve or nah?

or is it poopoo?

[inland shoal]

The passive is not active in pve

[calm rose]

the skill doesnt work in pve, only in pvp.

[icy mountain]

oh okay thanks

[uncut oar]

I have the options available to not use her and lose very little so idk if I would go to such lengths

esp. since she's only being used in w13 and maybe w15, where I just dip in, grab Houston 2 and GTFO

[inland shoal]

I mean w13 you can do with whatever these days

I'd say she's more important for w15

[uncut oar]

~~I already have a w13 fleet formed, speaking of which expect me to ask if the fleet's still correct after maint ~~

also, remind me how important is Brest for 14/15? I don't remember if she's wanted for 14 but iirc definitely 15

[half plover]

will the game be under maintanance for around one more hour?

[steady beacon]

Yep

[sharp socket]

wait the maint is shorter this time

[steady beacon]

Intended to be 6 hours

[sharp socket]

oh thats great

[steady beacon]

She's good in both, although probably not to the point of being a fixed first choice in either world

[undone plover]

What is the tldr on the new augs?

[forest palm]

far as I could tell Sandy, and Izumo is a solid improvement, Malin is a mid end DD similar to the starters, and the other 2 are junk

[inland shoal]

Good ships stay good / get better bad ships stay bad

[undone plover]

[plain saffron]

You can

Test

[gritty forge]

will sandy augment push her to tex? it seems pretty d*rn good

[forest palm]

it looks to make Sandy competitive with Harbin, and Plymouth in terms of damage, on top of her AA utility, so potentially she can very well be a top CL

[gritty forge]

friggin sweet

[boreal oriole]

Sandy Doesn't spam her voice when proccing the new barrage

[undone plover]

Looks like WichMeta fight is vanguard pressure basically right? No defensive gimmicks?

[forest palm]

good

[steady beacon]

Based on what can be ascertained so far ye

Well, I guess preventing your chained vanguard from shooting is kind of a defensive gimmick

[hollow gust]

Vanguard dps

[boreal oriole]

Rip Mogador

[forest palm]

is it time to boiler again on vanguard

[steady beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226115589706350676/1250741171689623612/RfHH3zJdr5U60AdI.mp4?ex=666c0afc&is=666ab97c&hm=d6b9d503b23a0a6370b8a425bf763487065382c89833f974167c0c52f30fb627&

[hollow gust]

Mogador is always gonna be a fun UR to use, she isn't gonna compete with the others

[forest palm]

Mog is just a bench warmer when you have Unzen, Plymouth, and/or Hindenburg

[inland shoal]

Interesting that her summons are immune to chains

[steady beacon]

Mhm

[cobalt rapids]

can mog pull the vanguard out of chains

[inland shoal]

Pulling the vg? Pretty sure no
Jumping out of chains herself? No idea

[boreal oriole]

"Can Mogador survive the chain"

[inland shoal]

Man is Mogador the new Izumo?

[crisp estuary]

Neptune is the new Izumo

[inland shoal]

Neptune is new

[blissful hamlet]

How sucks is she?

[hollow gust]

She is Plymouth dps

[eternal basalt]

Incoming Neptunia rerun to replace Nep by Nep

[inland shoal]

If you make her tank she sucks your vg along

[winter condor]

remembers me a GGZ boss

[winter condor]

imagine her activating the invulnera window on that lol

[inland shoal]

I loved Gorgon Gall Z

[winter condor]

gonna try it when gets up i'm a mogador enjoyer