gameplay-help

[velvet slate]

150 blueprints from a DR catchup is enough to get you a UR gear from proto store

[viscid swift]

yeah, you realistically won't be using FDG

[night totem]

If there's no ship I'm interested in pr7 after completing hinden and Plymouth then maybe I'll do them

[viscid swift]

strip away Vanguard, Msuashi, UvH, and NJ and that becomes a different story though

[wraith oyster]

wouldnt fdg still be amazing for them in mob fleet

[viscid swift]

you don't need to change research focus to do catchup

[viscid swift]

not really

[forest palm]

Musashi takes over FdG's job in mob

[viscid swift]

other UR BBs can mob just fine if not better

[wraith oyster]

who are the 3 best cvs generally for cv boss fleet in opsi

[forest palm]

it's 2 fleets really

[wraith oyster]

generally

[hollow gust]

depends but implacable is guranteed

[night totem]

I see tyvm

[velvet slate]

ud still need multiple fleets for arbiter (hard), and doing arbiter is a bunch of rss (albeit not that many)

[hollow gust]

shinano haku implacable
enterprise/kearsarge yorky2 implacable

[wraith oyster]

i havent done an opsi in over 2 years so figured i should start

[hollow gust]

a good cv fleet oneshots

[night totem]

I believe shinano Haku and implacable if it's heavy armor? And Yorktown if it's light armor... I'm probably wrong though lol

[forest palm]

both can be used generally

[wraith oyster]

ppl still use haku shinano, interesting

[velvet slate]

instead of trying to argue just for the sake of the argument at elast know the context. i was talking to a guy who is midgame

[hollow gust]

1)Eagle/Avp Light
2)Eagle/Avp Med
3)Eagle/Imp Light
4)Eagle/Imp Med
PS:Kearsarge runs 457 when against med, totally forgot about its
https://renhex.github.io/alft/120
1)Sakura/Imp Heavy
2)Sakura/Imp Medium
3)Sakura/Imp Light
https://renhex.github.io/alft/122

1. BB Med/Heavy
2. BB Light
   https://renhex.github.io/alft/118

[forest palm]

CV URs isn't as congested as BB URs, so not much contention

[hollow gust]

bbs is just 3 UR bb, all of them are extremly capable

[viscid swift]

every year they've released 2 UR BBs since 2021
vs one UR CV after all

[wraith oyster]

yeah dont have haku or shinano so looks like im gaming with enty yorkii implac

[forest palm]

ironically Haku, and Shinano would be easier to get

[hollow gust]

and easier to use

[wraith oyster]

yeah except i have enty implac yorki already, dont have haku shinano

[hollow gust]

i reccommend investing into your bb fleets

[wraith oyster]

they good fr

[hollow gust]

you dont seem to have the require cv tech to make then excel

[wraith oyster]

kidding i only have nj, zwei, fdg, alsace, then the good SRs

its enough for 3bb fleet though

[viscid swift]

still a damn sight better than what most have

[wraith oyster]

didnt realize owari was that good so i gotta get her raised up, shes mlb and lvl 70

[tired condor]

fdg is better than nj?

[wraith oyster]

NJ better but one excels at mob(fdg) and the other at boss

[hollow gust]

Generally not

[round sparrow]

Is there a point of rolling on the event banner if I got the ships I wanted from it

[viscid swift]

no

unless you for some reason didn't get Alsace and she's not one of the ships you wanted

[velvet slate]

the only reason u might want to keep summoning is if u are close to pity

cuz u can get an extra copy of alsace and save yourself 1 UR bulin

[soft raft]

but only if you're like 20 pulls off
And have more than 400 cubes

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't even go that far, I'd say 10 max unless you are absolutely swimming on cubes

[hollow gust]

Vanny is coming

[round sparrow]

Is it better to just roll on standard banner then

[velvet slate]

yeh was gonna say 20-30 pulls, if u r further than that might want to sve your cubes prolly

[soft raft]

go back to your daily light pull yes

[viscid swift]

switch to one light build a day on the WW

[soft raft]

2nd AFCT

[wraith oyster]

how much time we think we have before vanguard rerun, a month?

[soft raft]

[viscid swift]

I would be suprised honestley if Vanguard reruns before the JP Anni at this rate

[wraith oyster]

whens that

[soft raft]

September

[wraith oyster]

im on like 180 cubes rn

[velvet slate]

theres definitely another UR rerun before september

[viscid swift]

mid September, so the earliest would be like October at that point

another rerun probably, UR rerun eh

anyway, we know there will be no rerun next week that's for certain

[soft raft]

Taps the sign

[viscid swift]

you can strike the raid events part from that

we know now those won't rerun now

[tropic tusk]

am i slow or im just unlucky? been playing since nov 2023 and so far i only got the rainbow plane 1 time and tahts cause i use the exchange thing in shop

[remote yarrow]

Could be bad research choice

[soft raft]

sounds like you didnt focus on the correct researches

[velvet slate]

heavily depends on what u research

[hollow gust]

You are picking the wrong stuff

[viscid swift]

if you're active a 2nd Tenrai wouldn't be unreasonable at this point

[hollow gust]

You should have 2 UR weapons since then

[tropic tusk]

im doing pr4

like 70% of the time im doing pr4

[hollow gust]

It's been like 7 months , should be long done with that

I literally finish 2 and a half full seasons in that time period

What researches have you been picking?

[tropic tusk]

pr4 things

[hollow gust]

That says nothing

[remote yarrow]

But which types?

[viscid swift]

what researches specifically, and are you maintaining 100% research uptime

[remote yarrow]

C

[hollow gust]

🤢🤮

[viscid swift]

well you're taking Cs for a start

[tropic tusk]

i click the charater one awlays when i see it

[sudden spoke]

does flagship get affinity faster?

[viscid swift]

that's not the issue, why are you taking garbage researches

[hollow gust]

Only mvp get affinity faster

[sudden spoke]

ok thanks

[tropic tusk]

cause after refearch i still dont have any pr4 things so i click that

[remote yarrow]

There's no way you don't have anything better than a C

[viscid swift]

an off season face research or Q would have been MUCH better

[hollow gust]

You stick to grant donations , face researches and rigging

[tropic tusk]

there is teh wep thingy

so always go for Q instead of C?

[remote yarrow]

Never take C, period

[tropic tusk]

ok

[remote yarrow]

DR Faces > Q > PR Faces > G

[viscid swift]

if you mean the website, look at the hourly yields and not raw

time efficiency matters for researches

[hollow gust]

It should look way more like this
If you are ship focused , take the D, if weapon take rigging

[remote yarrow]

You said Q and rigging which are the same

[tropic tusk]

ok thx

so beside my C everything else is fine right?

[hollow gust]

Rigging(Q): 30min>4hrs>2hrs>1hr
Grant donation(G): 1hr30>2hr30
Cognition/Face Researches (D):30min>8hr>5hr>2hr30

[viscid swift]

well I don't know what the other options were but they're not outrageously awful

[tropic tusk]

ok thx

[tropic tusk]

wait y 4 then 2h

[hollow gust]

4 is better

[tropic tusk]

why is that

[remote yarrow]

You also said 2:30 twice for G

[hollow gust]

the drop rates just are?

[tropic tusk]

oh ok

[cloud fractal]

Is San Diego not great until she’s retro’d?

[viscid swift]

Yes

[eager mulch]

why are you surrounded by potatoes

[remote yarrow]

why do potatoes surround him

[sweet delta]

like attracts like

[twilit dew]

around what level you need to be to be able to clear the event SP stages ? any recommendations ?

[sweet delta]

2 full fleets with avg level > 110

[eager mulch]

at least 111 on avg

[vale spindle]

needs to be > not >=

[topaz smelt]

maffs hard

[twilit dew]

i can clear the mob fleets easly but when i get to the boss... oh god

[sweet delta]

put your stronger ships and gear on boss fleet

[soft raft]

What's the context here?
What content are you doing?
What exactly is killing your fleet?
What does your fleet look like?

[twilit dew]

Mainly want to clear the current event SP "Stygian Echoes" since i want to get the most pieces i can to get mogador but would also want to be able to have a fleet for future events, i would like to get everything from the event like the profile things and so on,

My frontline is the one dying, need to do more research on the equipment, they all have "decent" equipment but in reality i just placed whatever higher level i have

[frank pulsar]

looks like gear issue to me, what are you trying to tackle

[soft raft]

that vanguard doesnt have much DPS
Other than that, sounds like a gear issue

[soft raft]

he's trying to do SP map

[frank pulsar]

the message didnt load on my screen

for your vanguard they can all run rudder + toolbox as auxiliaries, make sure theyre all +10

[versed elk]

what armour type is ex?

[frank pulsar]

standard cv planes should work fine, you can prob get away with using twin 410 + double shell on fubuki(?)

[versed elk]

thanks stig

[keen sable]

move all tanks to boss. scuff the mob. heck maybe even 1:1 or 2:2 the mob

[twilit dew]

Thanks guys lol, i fallowed all recommendations, i moved all the tanks to the boss, and change the gear, i had my best gear in my mob fleet, so i placed everything on the boss fleet and enchance the most i could to lvl+10, i was barely able to make it but i cleared the SP map, woooo!

[dawn pasture]

hard mode can drop 2?

[forest palm]

it's RNG

[dawn pasture]

oh on each bp

[tall dawn]

So, I just got phoenix. I remember her being pretty good. I have Helena and Portland. I’ve been using Portland, Laffey and Helena. Should I sub in Phoenix for one of them. Or start a clearing team with Phoenix?

[eager mulch]

no and no

[forest palm]

Phoenix fell off the moment they added oil cap

[tall dawn]

Oh dang…

I stopped playing for years and got back this week. Had to start over. Everything I thought I remembered has changed…

[forest palm]

comb over this then
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[tall dawn]

I did hear about 3-4 and how to not farm that any more… that made me sad…

[silk sphinx]

You can come back and farm it later with say a fletcher fleet

But zero point rn, akagi and kaga are irrelevant to today’s meta

Mostly just for collection nowadays, and ig the fleet tech

[tall dawn]

But, I am working on unicorn, and I just pulled hood. I’ve got Nelson I signed in. I also pulled Alsace a few days ago

[silk sphinx]

Good for you, those are all great ships to start with

[tall dawn]

I just thought I saw that Phoenix was still good. I remember her being better than she was made out to be

[keen sable]

in any meta that involves healers, phoenix has always been sus.

[silk sphinx]

Well she’s not exactly awful, but there’s no point using her

Early on you just use Portland when you’re one fleeting

After that you jump directly to say anchorage, aka a far better tank

[tall dawn]

Yeah, she got good pretty quickly

Is hiryuu retro still hood for pvp?

[eager mulch]

ask #pvp (no)

[tall dawn]

Oh jeez…

[elfin hollow]

Is mogodor better then yuu

[south sequoia]

In terms of pure damage output? yes
In terms of survivability? not so much, but that doesn't mean she's as tanky as a wet sheet of paper

mogador can still sponge a good few amount

[radiant cedar]

do you mean yuudachi? ya she is probably powercrept @elfin hollow

and didnt they patch Mogodor a million times already?

[silk sphinx]

Once on EN

[viscid swift]

honestley I would rather take Mogador over Yuudachi in just about every scenario

[south sequoia]

They only patched her 2 times in CN, on EN and JP it's only been one

Well technically 3 times to fix a certain bug where she disables other members of the fleet

[radiant cedar]

and if you dont got the rainbow bullins, it wont matter until late summer

[placid cipher]

quick question... how many BP actually need to get her?

[viscid swift]

0

[soft raft]

you can get her without having any blueprints saved

[viscid swift]

getting Blueprints to enhance a PR ship and unlocking them are 2 entirely seperate affairs

[soft raft]

/devbp the BPs are for their dev levels which are their equivalent to MLB

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460648604974055424/885529968455598170/unknown.png

[placid cipher]

ahhhhhh

[leaden sapphire]

is it worth to farm all the daily 3x event stage

[soft raft]

not really if you can clear the D maps

[radiant cedar]

tryhards like me were done with the event a week ago @leaden sapphire

[viscid swift]

ok....

[leaden sapphire]

the thing is event tho i have much oils to spend but the affinity thing is so annoying and im too lazy to change

[viscid swift]

have you got the ships you're using in the dorm

[leaden sapphire]

my dorm only got 3 slots lmao

[silk sphinx]

if you can do them with a low oil cost fleet then yeah they're very nice event point to oil ratio wise. also nice for 3* missions. But it's up to you how much you value your time, as how many event points you want

[viscid swift]

time to get the second floor then

[silk sphinx]

like this event's total length is over three weeks, most players who are active and played the event aren't hurting too much for points

[placid cipher]

you guys were talking about Yuudachi and Mogador. is mogador really that much better than Yuudachi retrofit? I was trying to farm a Yuudachi drop, instead of going for the 300 vouchers for the final Mogador dupe

[soft raft]

ngl you should've been going for the dupe regardless

[sweet delta]

Mogador powercrept yuudachi

[viscid swift]

well Mogador does a lot more damage and there isn't a massive difference for eHP

[sweet delta]

And DDGs are more useful than yuudachi too

[radiant cedar]

An Shan

[placid cipher]

Guess i will switch to the event, then. Thanks

[sweet delta]

Event is always the highest priority

[radiant cedar]

the other one @keen sable ?

[sweet delta]

Even more so than farming a permanent ship in a non-oilcapped map

[keen sable]

everyone is guaranteed to have CC. An Shan is event locked

[radiant cedar]

oic we were talking past each other, I just meant to point out a good DDG

[placid cipher]

I was doing 6-4 since I can clear with 2 ships. I cannot do D-1 without burning twice as much fuel. too weak

[viscid swift]

you know D1 has an oil cap right?

[placid cipher]

194 vs 110

[viscid swift]

what

do you know what an oil cap is?

[sweet delta]

D1 costs 194 oil cheeky

[viscid swift]

I'm aware

[sweet delta]

For 194 oil in D1, you get like ten times the rewards as 110 oil in 6-4

[placid cipher]

D1 fuel and 6-4 fuel. I don't have that many lv 100 ships to use the extra xp

[radiant cedar]

How do you feel about the New Jersey gun in the gear lab now, I already got myself a second copy

[viscid swift]

well save that for when you get more to do more D1 runs
maybe look into prepping ships for a 2nd fleet
heck even just getting more XP on your current ships is preferable to farming 6-4 seeing as you'll probably want to get them to 120 in time anyway

[sweet delta]

I haven't gotten myself any mk7 from gear lab

[viscid swift]

it's not a high priority to craft

[radiant cedar]

thats actually true, I still dont have that rainbow torp bomber, those mats are super rare

[vale spindle]

i haven't opened gear lab since the update yet

[south sequoia]

If you've been playing a long time you would've gotten a wyvern pretty easily what have you even been doing in opsi to not have gotten wyvern?

even newer players can get wyvern within 2 months of starting opsi

[radiant cedar]

ya that that rainbow spearfish, I still dont have the mats after 2 OPSCI cycles

[vale spindle]

you can craft up gold ones to rainbow

[south sequoia]

Oh spearfish

[soft raft]

Oh spearfish

[sweet delta]

Just don't craft it

[vale spindle]

or that too

[south sequoia]

Spearfish is nice but too expensive for what it does

[viscid swift]

spearfish is a rich man's wyvern

[radiant cedar]

the 1 percent

[forest palm]

except the Spearfish doesn't passively intercept

and shoots missles

[elfin hollow]

yes

[viscid swift]

has anyone actually done any tests on how much the loss of interception actually is in practice /s

[elfin hollow]

which Ur gear should I craft first?

[frank pulsar]

wyvern

[sweet delta]

Or tenrai

[viscid swift]

a wyvern or 2 before considering anything else

[south sequoia]

gonna answer anyways even if its sarcastic
conclusion was spearfish was good at taking out elites that the loss of interception does not matter

[viscid swift]

yeah that's what I heard

[elfin hollow]

not on research but in gear lab

[sweet delta]

Spearfish doesn't make battles end earlier and all you do is lose more main fleet hp

[elfin hollow]

Wyverns in war thunder are stupidly op and annoying anyways lmao so yeah imma get i ig

[hard mesa]

pancake+strong AA should be enough

[sweet delta]

Very nice

[elfin hollow]

Yeah im getting pancakes the mean while until I have enough blue prints for Wyverns

[frank pulsar]

how many rainbow aa is enough? 4?

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't reccomend more than 4

[sweet delta]

0 to 8 depending on how bad your account is

[frank pulsar]

how bricked do you think my acc is

[sweet delta]

iirc it was quite

[elfin hollow]

\whats the gold conductor rerun whichs ships are in it?

[sweet delta]

#game-news

[keen sable]

just a skin

[soft raft]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Golden_Conductor

[elfin hollow]

oh skins

[forest palm]

actually had to look it up lol

[elfin hollow]

wont it be better to just do a SR Rerun 💀

[sweet delta]

[forest palm]

[elfin hollow]

what next UR event is most likely next btw?

[soft raft]

that's certainly gonna be in the pipeline, only question is when

[forest palm]

Vanguard

[soft raft]

Vaguard is the next UR and the second event in line to rerun
if you mean the next new one, that's most likely gonna be in September

[forest palm]

is this page weird for anyone else
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Vanguard

[soft raft]

Click this at the bottom

[forest palm]

weird...doesn't do that when I jump to another page

[soft raft]

It do be like that sometimes

[forest palm]

wiki speghetti

[silver lintel]

Whats next rerun? Emden?

[forest palm]

potentially, yes

[snow coral]

What’s the difference between locked and guided? Locked just doesn’t aim?

[torn phoenix]

is Vanguard a vanguard ship? nevermind

[radiant cedar]

I cant notice the difference @snow coral can someone else help

[forest palm]

1A is just a straight upgrade

[snow coral]

Ye but what is the difference?

[viscid swift]

more damage

[forest palm]

almost as if the card tells you

[sweet delta]

No difference in mechanics, it is display text difference only

[viscid swift]

the type means nothing, they aren't different in how the function

[snow coral]

Okie thanks for actually answering me

[radiant cedar]

if you clear stages with 1symissle, SYa1 does the same thing @snow coral

[hardy void]

quick question cus im confused by the description, does mogador have a cross fleet?

[viscid swift]

no

[hardy void]

thanks

[radiant cedar]

was there an update? I cant unstrap Alsace panties anymore

[whole crypt]

just triggered it, you might be tugging at the wrong spot

[zinc turret]

how long i should suffer in puzzle before TB helping me ? , im so dum dum at the puzzle sometimes

[soft raft]

idk just spam movement until the prompt shows up
The rewards are the same either way

[radiant cedar]

@zinc turret there are guides on youtube, google harder for the waifu you want

[zinc turret]

um wut ? i will just spam random move and wait tb help than googling the puzzle

[hollow gust]

YouTube sucks balls

[remote yarrow]

I think he's talking about L2D stuff

[hollow gust]

They were asking about opsi

[remote yarrow]

But I don't know when mikazuki asked for that

[zinc turret]

i doubt i asked about that too

[viscid swift]

they were asking about OpSi puzzles

youtube is fine for that

[radiant cedar]

oh that

[whole crypt]

didn't wiki also have the puzzle solutions

[radiant cedar]

thought you were talking about the child raising minigame, was not much to go on when you scroll up

[zinc turret]

tamagotchi

[steady beacon]

[whole crypt]

define "general"

[topaz smelt]

we all know what they mean by general

[flint scarab]

Like it’s kinda oil efficient, doesn’t require switching out units constantly

[whole crypt]

oil efficiency means squat once you reach ch9+

[topaz smelt]

oil efficiency should be the last thing on anyones mind

[flint scarab]

Fair enough

[viscid swift]

If you don't wanna swap units then you might wanna start by building actually good teams

[whole crypt]

the fleets are bad, we can just poke holes at it but what do you want to do with your fleets

[viscid swift]

not wanting to swap also doesn't really work because well eventually you'll be forced to start specilizing your fleets to the content you're tackling and farming with the same capped ships is just wasteful

[topaz smelt]

if youre at w12 it doesnt matter what your fleet is, level everything you want

[viscid swift]

0/10 automatically because Unicorn isn't even MLB

[whole crypt]

looks like shiny ship fleet

[viscid swift]

yep

[flint scarab]

Yeah, that’s why I’m here

[viscid swift]

well to start, where are you in the main campaign

[whole crypt]

we can help, but we need some idea of what exactly you're trying to do

[remote yarrow]

Wouldn't it be better for him to repost in a thread?

[whole crypt]

it's not that we don't want you asking about how to fix it, but we need an idea of what you're going for
campaign progression? how far into campaign? getting into OS?

[remote yarrow]

Did he just leave?

[whole crypt]

[remote yarrow]

Ppl here are offering to help you btw

[whole crypt]

sometimes people just afk a lot between looking at discord so

[topaz smelt]

just throw links at ppl and let them help themselves

[hushed stone]

Damn he have much better ships than mine

[remote yarrow]

Uuuh do you have something to ask or need help?

[rose whale]

where can I farm cog chip / array?

[topaz smelt]

w12+ / you dont

[viscid swift]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/common_resource

[rose whale]

why

I can auto clear most thing, except w15

[viscid swift]

Might wanna give that a read

[eternal plinth]

i dont think you can earn arrays in general

[topaz smelt]

arrays dont drop

[uneven badger]

should i use bismark or nelson for mob

[rose whale]

so grinding w12+ for chip

[tranquil hemlock]

How to raise my ship mood?

[whole crypt]

you can on daily raid

[remote yarrow]

Let them rest

[uneven badger]

dorm

[forest palm]

Put them in the dorm

[uneven badger]

bismark or nelson in mob fleet

[remote yarrow]

Bismark Zwei or just Bismark?

[tranquil hemlock]

What if I won’t use ‘‘em anymore but I won’t put them in the dorm?

Will they recover?

[uneven badger]

just bismark

[whole crypt]

morale will regen by itself but dorm is faster

[viscid swift]

Yes but slower

[uneven badger]

bismark zwei for flag

[remote yarrow]

Prob Bismark then with no further context

[viscid swift]

Nelson retro is just better so

[forest palm]

At q much slower rate, and won't go over 120, so they don't get the 150 mood xp bonus

[whole crypt]

won't go over 119

[uneven badger]

alright then

[mint flint]

they get 20/hour when not in dorm and 40/50 per hour when in dorm

[rose whale]

oh... that explain why. I usually stop when my ship going close to 120

[whole crypt]

high morale bonus is as long as 120-150

[hushed stone]

What does high morale bonus do?

[mint flint]

+xp

[forest palm]

I just said....

[viscid swift]

+20% XP

[hushed stone]

Sorry mate, im not on discord 24/7 and I just alt tabbed

[mint flint]

you could scroll up 3 messages though

[eager mulch]

but what does it do?

[hushed stone]

+xp

[rose whale]

it gives the girls a smile icon

[eager mulch]

I am one of the potatoes surrounding cheeky

[whole crypt]

the icon is smiling as long as it's green, high morale makes the icon sparkle

[tranquil hemlock]

how long will it take to rerun a event? or its random?

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Affinity#Morale

[remote yarrow]

About 2 years

[viscid swift]

2 years plus on average at this point

No that's not an exaggeration

[eager mulch]

they’ll speed it up trust

[whole crypt]

it's actually getting longer

[remote yarrow]

~~copium overdose ~~

[viscid swift]

Yeah, that's what happens when you release more new events a year than old events you rerun

[eager mulch]

not like I need it though, I’m all caught up on reruns and the burnout is setting in

[whole crypt]

when you learn to treat it like a digital bonsai the burnout goes away

[eager mulch]

so it’s gonna die quickly

[tranquil saffron]

Is the twin 134mm AA better to put on more gun focused ships?

[eager mulch]

If you don’t need the AA sure

[flint scarab]

I was driving

Commuting is ass

[remote yarrow]

Well, if you want help with your fleets post the same images in a thread

[flint scarab]

Well from what I’ve seen it’s too bothersome

[remote yarrow]

For who? You or them?

[flint scarab]

Yes

Too much time to send photos, and likewise too long to try and salvage my dumb ass

[atomic abyss]

[eager mulch]

[atomic abyss]

I mean if you don't help yourself we can't really help you so

It takes 2 hands to clap after all

[slender heart]

Just let them be

[soft raft]

That's... Certainly some logic

[flint scarab]

Bruh on all sides, Imma go away now

[eager mulch]

ok

[remote yarrow]

Needs help, gets offered help, nvm I don't want it, leaves

[topaz smelt]

sounds standard

[eager mulch]

smo0tie advice is (mostly) top notch

[remote yarrow]

And you know that's a lie

[eager mulch]

top notch lies

[zinc turret]

Should i lb my submarine or buy enty ?

[remote yarrow]

You won't need to use your subs until later so Enty

Tho I don't know how those 2 corelate

[zinc turret]

wait this month no enty in medal shop

[remote yarrow]

It changes every month

[eager mulch]

It changes every month

[atomic abyss]

there are like 6 different medal shops

1 for each server

and yes they rotate montly

[forest palm]

reminder there's a timer in ships...

[zinc turret]

well i have enough medal to buy something at medal shop i was thinking about buying enty / yellow bulin to lb my sub or idk who else to lb then i realize there no enty in this month medal shop

[remote yarrow]

Well what do you have this month?

[zinc turret]

BB & CA

[forest palm]

Nothing in CA, and you have Hood....so that's a pass

[zinc turret]

And im thinking about lb my sub cuz right now its just too weak , i cant even finish the lv 75 weekly

[forest palm]

Only really need to farm Lv 65

[keen sable]

do it because that's what medals are for

[zinc turret]

so which one i should lb first ? i have 3 sub

[forest palm]

Lv 65 sub raid is the least congested pool when you're trying to gear subs

37

[topaz smelt]

how much of a difference does mlb make for weekly

aside from levels

[zinc turret]

well if u lb ship the ship will gain more stat which make it stronger even its have same level

[forest palm]

That doesn't mean much if the gear is bad....

[zinc turret]

i use +6 purpol torp

[forest palm]

Gear is king in this game

[zinc turret]

real

i ever forget to put my weapon to javelin so my javelin have high power but weak af except she can tank

[forest palm]

Anyway I don't think I've stressed it enough, just farm Lv 65 raid

[zinc turret]

i was lend my javelin gear to cassin to do low cost at normal evenet stage once a day

[keen sable]

it helps. I needed around 3-4 torps to kill a L90(L75 disruption)cargo ship with L91 +8 purples. I had 31 torps total and finished with around 8 left. So a 20% increase in torps needed would be pretty significant especially if you don't have oxytorps.

[zinc turret]

which one better at opsi ? reveal the hidden material or reveal the hidden enemy ?

[crimson glacier]

dunno

[zinc turret]

at the scanning device

[topaz smelt]

i skip them

[crimson glacier]

i just do material coz lazy

[forest palm]

I don't bother with facilities unless it's the ones you can smash

[tranquil hemlock]

Y’all have any recommendation for elite ships?

[remote yarrow]

Have you read this? https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[tranquil hemlock]

Ye but I have all of ‘em

Any others?

[remote yarrow]

That should be good early on but here you go https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/early_ship_recommendations

[steady beacon]

Elite ship recommendations for like
What stage of the game

[blissful hamlet]

mogador better than hinden or unzen?

[atomic abyss]

damage and tankiness is comparable to hinden so

well hinden will overtake in dmg if buffed by bis zwei

[blissful hamlet]

mogador op :god:

[atomic abyss]

unzen is different specialty so

[frank pulsar]

mogador isnt anywhere near hinden, its near ply in dmg

[atomic abyss]

and mog has the issue of zerg rushing certain bosses

CN calcs say it's hinden tier so

[topaz smelt]

not richy?

[versed elk]

mogador is hindenburg sidegrade damage wise

[south sequoia]

Wasnt the napkin math saying she was over ply or did on field testing come out and mogador was just nearer to ply instead

[versed elk]

ply is still better inclusive buff

[steady beacon]

... Where are you getting this from?

[versed elk]

non Chinese speaker talking about cn

[frank pulsar]

thats literally what i was told over a week ago

[steady beacon]

By whom

[atomic abyss]

someone did test here
and their test came up with mog overtaking ply slightly

[frank pulsar]

i speak chinese, just not very literate in it in terms of reading and writing

[versed elk]

[remote yarrow]

~~I speak spanish ~~

[hollow gust]

Yo no hablo espanol

[atomic abyss]

the weird thing about the hinden calcs

is that apparently mog can match hinden on med
which i still struggle to believe given DD gun mods

[versed elk]

yea try it bro

[atomic abyss]

so i'm personally more inclined to believe that mog matches hinden on light, and light only

maybe it's just better to say between ply and hinden

[topaz smelt]

have calcs ever been close to performance?

[inner delta]

it's uh yahoo guy calc last time i think

[steady beacon]

Was this stig's run against RepM?
Or was there some other one

[remote yarrow]

Wasn't it a Mog vs Shima?

[atomic abyss]

it was stig's run

why would you ever compare mog and shima dmg tho

[remote yarrow]

idk

There's this one #gameplay-help message
Also #gameplay-help message

[frank pulsar]

so is it near ply or hinden

[atomic abyss]

the only answer i can give you with full certainty

is in between the 2

which is still pretty darn impressive

[hollow gust]

In between?

[topaz smelt]

i dont really see the appeal of flatline dps

[hollow gust]

Well shes a UR that's worse then ply in every way

[steady beacon]

Idk about full certainty tbf 👀
With some RNG messing up, I can easily imagine her slipping out from in between...
It is some nonnegative integer, that I'll say with full certainty...

[atomic abyss]

i personally do not see any player with bis zwei and hinden fully maxed opting for mog honestly

[blissful hamlet]

ok so what is the conclusion about mogador?

[atomic abyss]

she's no laffey II

[blissful hamlet]

she do damage like hinden or no?

[atomic abyss]

she's more like a slightly tankier gun focused shimakaze

[frank pulsar]

has anyone tested if mog torp buff is able to beat out/compete with sirius in a cv fleet on heavy?

[atomic abyss]

her damage is at the very least plymouth tier

[blissful hamlet]

[main latch]

FINALLY

[atomic abyss]

and may match an unbuffed hinden

[unkempt pier]

Are UR dupes only useful to limit break

[atomic abyss]

yes

[topaz smelt]

~~ - 1 dock slot~~

[atomic abyss]

i personally do not have a hiden to test with

[remote yarrow]

Uuuh #trophy-room is that way, but sorry to pop your bubble she needs Dev 30 to be useful which will take you a couple months from coining

[frank pulsar]

cuz she could be next bis in heavy cv fleet if thats the case due to her own dmg being high

[atomic abyss]

slightly more than 2 months to fs5 fdg

[snow coral]

what about buffed hinden vs. buffed mog

[steady beacon]

I mean, you could test it

[atomic abyss]

buffed hinden almost certainly wins

[frank pulsar]

my mog is lv1

[snow coral]

who can test that?

[hallow iron]

If i quit a hard stage before it ends, does it uses one of the daily attempt?

[zinc turret]

no

[main latch]

the goal wasnt to use her it was to simply obtain her

[frank pulsar]

why i got no bulin anyway

[south sequoia]

Oh right, have there been any mog vs sirius tests

[hard mesa]

mog 6% dmg is more/less similiar to vanguard 8% dmg

[atomic abyss]

what gives hinden the advantage is that bis zwei is near mandatory in BB comps

and there are little competitors for her in a BB vanguard

[topaz smelt]

tfw ppl forgot how to play the game before bz

[hard mesa]

theres also scylla that gives 6% cv dmg

[frank pulsar]

yea but the difference here is that mog personal dmg might be able to push her ahead of sirius

sirius personal dmg is pretty sad

[atomic abyss]

i use shima over siri or kaza against rodM precisely because her self damage is way higher than any damage increase they provide to the backline

[hard mesa]

i guess the only advantage sirius has is she still buff even if she ded

[atomic abyss]

at least in my situation

[hollow gust]

~~cause you don't have the tech to use your backline ~~

[atomic abyss]

max i've hit against rodM is i think 730k so
without supporting fire

[frank pulsar]

~~youre in a very dire situation if shima is able to beat out ara ~~

[atomic abyss]

not really

[steady beacon]

Not in the slightest

[hollow gust]

Sounds about right

[topaz smelt]

id prob cook you something if she wasnt gone in like 2 days

[hollow gust]

Your backline sucks

[atomic abyss]

considering i started doing this meta hitting 300k-350k on average

i'm very satisfied

[topaz smelt]

tfw you did less than my unzen

[snow coral]

mog prob could one shot this rodney

[remote yarrow]

Hey, finally someone who I can compare to

Cuz I used BB cops for RodM

[snow coral]

Mine isn't close to be useful for endgame fights yet though

[topaz smelt]

i torp memed her

[frank pulsar]

im the most relatable here, 0k dmg on rodm

[remote yarrow]

I could try to use a CV comp now that I have Nano but

[atomic abyss]

Considering this was on an assist fight, im very happy

[hollow gust]

[atomic abyss]

i mean a 200% increase is great tho

my first (desynced) run was 250k with centaur ark formi
second was 310k

[zinc turret]

centaur good ?

[atomic abyss]

eh unzen would definitely cook way harder

[atomic abyss]

4-5 years ago yeah
certainly not anymore

[hollow gust]

Unzen is guranteed kill with support barrage rn, wonder who's the next boss

[atomic abyss]

wichita if coded right is gonna be light armour so

that'll be the real test of mog i suppose

[topaz smelt]

mich is gonna be new asset so likely a coin flip

[atomic abyss]

unless she has some weird ass gimmick like rodM
shd be a BB party

[hollow gust]

Light armor is CV's thing

[topaz smelt]

nah im getting on some weird implac + alsace carry fleet

[unkempt pier]

What does the red highlighted text mean

[hollow gust]

You are under requirement

[plain saffron]

Doesn't fulfill requiremenr

[atomic abyss]

1069 is not greater than requirement of 1200
hence red

[plain saffron]

is greater than

[unkempt pier]

I meant uh like what does trp

[meager gyro]

is montpelier worth using?

[atomic abyss]

torpedo stat

[remote yarrow]

God dammit Ender now I wanna test out how much damage I can do to RodM with an actual comp

[hollow gust]

Shes decent enough

[plain saffron]

Total trp stats in both fleet(as long as it's valid

[unkempt pier]

K thanks

[atomic abyss]

monty is pretty good placeholder CL

[hollow gust]

I need more uses for my Alsace, her main thing has been being my secretary

[atomic abyss]

not always

if she is like helmet with high AA, BBs might be preferred so

and given she is 🦅...

[hollow gust]

That's pre implacable and Yorktown , even then max CVs held on

[hard mesa]

ori wichita AA isnt good so...

[atomic abyss]

neither was helena's
decent at best

they're just better cos 🦅

[hollow gust]

Yorktown and Implacable shit on light armor

[hard mesa]

helmet still easy with yorkii comp

[atomic abyss]

it's not like everyone has the 2 and hvar cats so

[steady beacon]

[hollow gust]

Either way the scrubs are gonna run bb , much easier to setup , oneshot comps should be mostly CVs

[steady beacon]

Ngl, with how badly Helena gets overkilled by the CV fleets, I'm pretty sure you can use Bf109Gs

Honestly, the only thing you need to watch out for vs Helena is you must bring good AA
Because getting revealed is the only thing that will tank your one shot

[hard mesa]

Welp, thats mog on rodM not sure if this mean shes good. Average scores is around 900k

[hollow gust]

That mog sucked

[frank pulsar]

i have no idea if thats considered good dmg or not for rodm

[atomic abyss]

at that point might as well use shima and unzen together

[hollow gust]

You gotta realize Plymouth in the situation can pull out 160-180k

[atomic abyss]

at least shima has the ammo mod advantage

[vale spindle]

It is cause its almost a kill right

[hard mesa]

prob you use mog when using haku shina on light

[frank pulsar]

no as in mog's dmg

[vale spindle]

oh my bad then

[topaz smelt]

If not dead = bad

[hollow gust]

80k is kinda pathetic, especially for a gunboat dps

[atomic abyss]

for a gun DD against heavy i think that's fair

considering the question was
"would she be better than sirius cos of her personal damage"

[hollow gust]

In this case hell no lmao

[sweet delta]

Are rockets torpedoes?

[hard mesa]

Umm...

[atomic abyss]

in what sense are you asking

[atomic abyss]

yeah... that seems about right with our understanding that mog is ahead of ply in dps...

[sweet delta]

Does mogador help airplane rockets

[hollow gust]

[snow coral]

I just read ply hits 160-180 in that situation and now this

[hollow gust]

How did you guys manage to make Plymouth look balanced

[steady beacon]

It's a fair question since rockets do the 100% scaling off AVI a la torpedoes...
I'm pretty sure the answer is no, though...
But suchi, can't you read it...

[atomic abyss]

iirc.... yesssssssssss?
might need to check with the code itself

[sweet delta]

Ply may be able to hit 160k against rodm with avrora, vanguard, Leipzig, and other buffs

[left gull]

Is there a guide for prioritising in core data shop? I alr got one copy each of white and black shells and oxytorp

[hard mesa]

i think torp in mog skill mean she buff only equipped torp bomber plane

[atomic abyss]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[atomic abyss]

the tldr is that you get 3 pairs of black and white shells
and indep

[left gull]

alr thanks

[sweet delta]

Torpedo ammo

I mean torpedo bullets

[snow coral]

how much does alsace boost mog's dmg btw? I know it says 8% crit rate but not sure how much of a boost that is in practice

[sweet delta]

That would be like almost 4% damage

[solemn ivy]

Guys why can’t I fully complete my hard stages?

[atomic abyss]

screenshot it?

[sweet delta]

Turn off clearing mode to get the second star

[solemn ivy]

Ok thanks

[fresh tangle]

Just got Helena retro still need the last skill but is radar scan plus worth equipping an sg radar?

[atomic abyss]

usually no
only use the SG if you need to sync her with someone

[fresh tangle]

Ah alright cool I definitely don’t care at this point in time, I think 😂

[solemn ivy]

How do I get T2 destroyer retrofit? Other than doing hard mode cuz I have ran out of my chances

[zinc turret]

guild shop i guess if u lucky

[solemn ivy]

Ok

[steady beacon]

Well, despite the utter mess, I am seeing 759 damage scores irrespective of Mog, so... unless I failed to account for something else, Idts...

[inland shoal]

Well rockets are bombs, not torps

[dull saddle]

Musashi still one of the best bb right?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[elfin nimbus]

Depends on what you use her for

But yes

[hard mesa]

does skyraider rocket use 100% AVI scaling?

[sweet delta]

It's written on the wiki somewhere

[inland shoal]

No

[inland shoal]

This question makes me unsure if the wiki is correct tho

[atomic abyss]

so where does one actually use Harbin

[hard mesa]

wiki mentioned fighters rocket scale with 100% AVI

[inland shoal]

Yes and that is true

But it seems dive bomber rockets don't

[steady beacon]

Consistency really is a dirty word to the devs it seems

[frank pulsar]

idk, i never used her besides my first ever w14 clear

[whole crypt]

such an alien concept

[elfin nimbus]

W14/15

[inland shoal]

She's just a good dps
With a smoke

[steady beacon]

Honestly, the main place I used her is that forbidden game mode
Where she certainly had her time to shine...

[whole crypt]

what game mode

[steady beacon]

Out of curiosity, since the next clause says "all aircraft torpedoes... have a WeaponScalingCoefficient of 1", shouldn't one remove "torpedoes" from "Aircraft bombs/torpedoes/rockets..."

[inland shoal]

I suppose so

Inb4 next event we get a fighter with a torp with 0.8 scaling

[steady beacon]

Consistency
Tbh not as troublesome as when doing calcs by hand and forgetting where my "normal" bombs are and where my barrage bombs are...
And having to wade through the mess to figure out where the 0.8 scaling goes and where scaling 1 goes

[hard mesa]

just checking, does yorkii skyraider barrage have 100% AVI scaling?

[steady beacon]

Ye

[inland shoal]

Even for the bomb

[plain saffron]

Are scaling in bullets or weapon i forgot

[inland shoal]

weapon

[plain saffron]

I guess time to add to my site

[hallow iron]

Do mogador use the hammer or twin sword?

[south sequoia]

sword

gun focused dds use sword
torp focused dds use hammer

[crisp estuary]

[half plover]

if I craft wyvern, who should I give it to?

mobbing or bossing fleet?

[atomic abyss]

whoever uses TBs in your mobbing

[half plover]

alr ty

[atomic abyss]

boss CVs stick with converging torps

[glacial heath]

how good is mogador among the urs?

[atomic abyss]

she is essentially a gun focused shimakaze
her dps is at least plymouth tier
and her tankiness is about hinden tier

not a high prio for rainburins

[turbid basin]

Now that I have Little Friedrich unlocked permanently, is she worth significant investment for new players?

[atomic abyss]

you will likely use her for a while, so might as well

well not sure what "significant" means

[turbid basin]

at least max limit break

[atomic abyss]

she is a purple, and purple bulins are very common
so that much is expected

[turbid basin]

ok cool, thanks

[simple coral]

Guys, how to make a mob fleet and a boss fleet?

[atomic abyss]

firstly, it needs to be asked
where are you in terms of the story maps?

cos if you're too early on, there is no point in building 2 fleets

[simple coral]

Right now, I'm at Solomon Nigtmare

[atomic abyss]

so chapter 6
far too early

at that point in the game, your resources are limited
it is better to fully invest into 1 main fleet and push content with that

for a new player currently
you are expected to at least have unicorn, portland, helena and your starter in your fleet

and little friederich too in this circumstance

just to be clear, fleets can still fight on 0 ammo

[frank pulsar]

how good is ply gun at intercepting as bb aux gun

[whole crypt]

good

[simple coral]

Alright, thank you. I've owned those ships that you mentioned but didn't use them on my fleet

[rose whale]

would shima benefit from the new 133 113mm gun in gearlab? currently I'm using a blue gun on her

[atomic abyss]

no, it's just a more expensive 76 with more range

there are higher prios in gear lab

[rose whale]

will more range = firing more = more barrage? 🤔

[atomic abyss]

in theory it may

[whole crypt]

it's 113mm
also the range is not that much longer

[atomic abyss]

only +5

the tldr is, just stick to the 76

[jaunty vault]

how much range is +5

[whole crypt]

well it wasn't enough for the 120qf to have an edge over 76mm alongside the lower rof

[plain saffron]

this long
🫸 🫷

[rose whale]

not this long? 🫸 🫷

[jaunty vault]

you dare use my own spells against me, potter?

[whole crypt]

#off-topic

[atomic abyss]

it is smaller than that but yes

[jaunty vault]

whats in off topic

[plain saffron]

how to visualize 5 units from this to ingame

[half plover]

what ships do you use your DR and PR blueprints on?

[whole crypt]

would gemini be a good way to test 76mm vs 113mm on Shimakaze or Kazagumo

[atomic abyss]

depends on which series

[half plover]

are there bp for different series? I never checked

[atomic abyss]

yes there are

[whole crypt]

look at the roman numeral on the print

[half plover]

so I didnt unlock any dr6 so I will just ignore them

[whole crypt]

you can save them for when you unlock the ships though

[half plover]

I got 10 dr4, 1 pr4, 10 pr5, seems like most of my blueprints are 6 lmao

[whole crypt]

since older series have catchup mechanisms

[sharp socket]

which are the sakura empire bb/cv in guild shop

tech grind again

[plain saffron]

this might not help so much, but if you see any japanese ish name then it is most likely sakura

listing all is too long

[whole crypt]

you don't have any IJN ships to level?

[sharp socket]

i have one purple

i used to retire alot of ships because i didnt know what i was doing lol

[whole crypt]

have you considered leveling and LBing these 2 first

tech isn't just obtaining the ships, and if you only count on obtaining you'll need more dock space

[sharp socket]

well if i can prep more ships to get first itll be great

[whole crypt]

why do you even want the tech now

[sharp socket]

esp with my 20k guild coins

that i dont really spend

[whole crypt]

guild coins will overflow anyway no hurry to spend them

[sharp socket]

im also gradually retiring my gray mlb tech ships when i can to clean my dock to make space for sakura empire ones now

[whole crypt]

some of the grey ships useful for tech though you'll end up leveling them again if you didn't take them to 120

[lament bay]

is there priority list for opsi shops? or do you just buy every book/report

[whole crypt]

you mean voucher exchange?

[lament bay]

the port shops

[sharp socket]

comet, crescent, cygnet, karlsruhe, konigsberg, koln, mccall, leander are the ones im planning to retire

[whole crypt]

gold/rainbow lab materials
coordinates
gold plates

[night totem]

Hi, can anyone help me create my w14 fleets?

[sharp socket]

i dont need the tech stats for a threshold to clear specific content do i

[lament bay]

what are the plates

[whole crypt]

the ones you use to enhance gear past +10

[lament bay]

these are to buy basically? the top left of any gun

and i read you need to buy at least 5 stuff every port shop to cycle through everything?

[whole crypt]

have you gone through reset?

[median raft]

who is the best Roon ų or Roon normal?

[lament bay]

no i just unlocked it now

[whole crypt]

Roon Muse is a slightly better tank but Roon gives tech
both are meh

[whole crypt]

as in you just unlocked OS?

[lament bay]

i finished the tutorial yeah

well prob not everything, but i did unlock the reset on top left

i dont think i have arbiter fight yet

[whole crypt]

these

[lament bay]

you buy these too?

[whole crypt]

all of it

[atomic abyss]

considering how rare they are

[whole crypt]

you want them to enhance gear past +10

[sharp socket]

are any of these in wyvern path better than barracuda

[atomic abyss]

no

[median raft]

what is the best for suruga augmentation?

[whole crypt]

if you haven't been through reset you'll need to buy stuff every 3 days to clear up the "stock" the shops have, to make sure you don't miss the good items
but it'll cost quite a bit of currency across the month if you're still new to the mode

[sharp socket]

only wyvern is better than barracuda and not the others?

[lament bay]

yeah but how much stuff do i have to buy at least every 3 days each port

[copper pine]

mogador and alsace compared to their best ships in their hull, how do both fare

[lament bay]

i have a lot of the other currency, not the purple one

[glass quest]

What Main Gun do you guys use on Alsace?

[whole crypt]

you can get away buyng 3-4 items every refresh if from the start of the month
you will need to do strongholds and abyssals to get more purple tokens
some of the shops also sell tokens in some denominations if so you can get that when it comes to shop

[atomic abyss]

yes

[whole crypt]

the same gun I use on any other UR BB appropriate for the content

[copper pine]

yes as in.. top 2 dd and top 2 bb?

[atomic abyss]

there's no 3 day cooldown anymore once you finish chap 4

[whole crypt]

top 2 in what context

[atomic abyss]

same suspects
406mk6, champagne gun

[whole crypt]

new shop only starts after you go through reset

[atomic abyss]

oh

[copper pine]

best damage as BB for alsace whatever armor is and mogador as best DD? since that emote of yes confuses me

[lament bay]

ahh so bc i started like 8 days later than month i would need to buy more items to go through every item

[atomic abyss]

alsace is one of the best UR BBs against light armour

so she will be extremely relevant

[copper pine]

what BB focuses on Light again? before alsace

[atomic abyss]

mogador is a gun focused shimakaze

[whole crypt]

Alsace is great against all armours if it's not a long fight

[atomic abyss]

yep

[sharp socket]

can i get kazagumo in war archives drop

[whole crypt]

Mogador has no comparison besides maybe Shimakaze but it's guns instead of torps if you want to compare within DDs

[atomic abyss]

soyuz

[sharp socket]

only light construction

[copper pine]

for like 100 seconds fight how does alsace fare vs likes of soyuz?

[atomic abyss]

stronger, tho not by much

[copper pine]

soyuz better or alsace better?

[whole crypt]

better than Soyuz if you get the timings right

[atomic abyss]

alsace will beat soyuz against all armours for short battles basically

[sharp socket]

guess i have to get lucky with my daily pull on light

[cobalt rapids]

What part of soyuz skews her on light

[copper pine]

timings such as, helena debuff or something?

[sharp socket]

my friend tells me that kazagumo is very very good because cv buffer

[atomic abyss]

why would timings matter

[whole crypt]

no, Alsace needs to fire before the other BBs to put on debuff, but she also has the lowest reload

[atomic abyss]

timings depends on guns

[copper pine]

so.. mk7 on alsace?

[night totem]

What does soyuz do? I have her but I'm short on bullins

[atomic abyss]

if against light, yes

[copper pine]

im currently using fdg gun

[whole crypt]

if against light and you use her with HPFCR without HPFCR on others maybe

bossing should always be triples

[atomic abyss]

very high damage
slow
best against medium

[night totem]

I see, ty

[whole crypt]

if you use full UR BBs with HPFCR then you'll need a loader on Alsace

[copper pine]

is autoreload useful on alsace to compensate the reload deficient?

[atomic abyss]

no, it compensates too much lol

[whole crypt]

yes just like how you use loaders on Musashi, but it may or may not be optimal

[boreal wagon]

i mean realistically if you use als with vanny does it rlly matter if als fires before vanny

[atomic abyss]

i feel like

[whole crypt]

then just use a loader with less enhance

[atomic abyss]

your questions are asked without context
so we have to assume a lot to answer questions

[whole crypt]

like varying reload point is literally a thing if you want to bother

[sharp socket]

how do people get 301 score on guild boss

[atomic abyss]

the tldr to your original question is
yes, alsace does reign amongst the top of BBs

[whole crypt]

and if you don't want to bother then Alsace isn't particularly outstanding over using other URs

Alsace is the worst UR BB in fights long enough, probably worst in CM

[cobalt rapids]

if u kill her u get 301 score

[night totem]

Even if it's against light armor?

[atomic abyss]

alsace dps is only higher cos of the preload

[night totem]

I see

[atomic abyss]

in longer battle, the preload loses its benefits

[whole crypt]

so it's all nuanced with use cases, so yes you can stop asking about "best UR BBs"

[night totem]

Is she like a ur richelieu?

[atomic abyss]

ur champagne/flandre/richy

[whole crypt]

more like a UR Flandre

[night totem]

I see

[atomic abyss]

those are honestly... why

[copper pine]

which part should i swap

[atomic abyss]

...every single main gun

[copper pine]

i mean, im rustu as fuck, soo....

[cobalt rapids]

what content are u fighting that ure bringing mixed guns

[atomic abyss]

why did you ever raise that gold gun more like

[copper pine]

thats just the preload, for BiS all around (dont care the armor) whats the main gun for all 3

[half plover]

will vanguard be the next ur rerun?

[cobalt rapids]

main gun depends on content theres no Bis all around

[copper pine]

thats the problem, alsace is basically richy but UR version right?

[cobalt rapids]

she should be next ur rerun in line yes

[whole crypt]

she doesn't have a HE bonus like Richelieu, you just pick the right gun for the job

[atomic abyss]

it as always, depends on the enemy

[half plover]

I hope we will have some time so I can recover from gold poverty lmao

[atomic abyss]

if it's light, mk6 or mk7
if it's med, champagne gun

[copper pine]

then any reason not to use fdg gun?

[whole crypt]

med/heavy is champagne/flandre/soyuz gun

[atomic abyss]

fdg gun doesn't sync with helena lol

[cobalt rapids]

for easy content that doesnt care about armor any gun from sams guide works

[atomic abyss]

and i don't think any of the URs have barrages that are worth spamming for

[whole crypt]

even if you don't use Helena unless you have all 3 ships using 457, and it really doesn't mean anything if you don't squeeze another salvo out of it

[copper pine]

better now?

[lament bay]

what do these mean

[cobalt rapids]

strongholds

[copper pine]

stronghold

[lament bay]

is it different from the red warning sign with the boss icon on top of them?

[whole crypt]

yes if you're fighitng med/heavy bosses

[cobalt rapids]

yea those are sirens

[copper pine]

@atomic abyss

[whole crypt]

you still don't want 460 on Musashi

[copper pine]

is the drawback too far with 460 reloader?

[rapid grail]

Stronghold node. Recommended to have one good mob fleet for most of the enemies there and a bossing fleet for the last boss node inside

[whole crypt]

yes it's too slow

Musashi for med/heavy is just use triple 410

[copper pine]

izumo gun?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[lament bay]

how hard are them, i tried some of the red warning sign with the boss icon thing, one was lv 112 and then another one was lv120 but i couldnt solo them

[kind slate]

is 2 wyverns enough to start making the mk7? i have 1 wyvern rn and no mk7s

[rapid grail]

Level 128 enemies~ at best
Also take care of your tuning

[lament bay]

well my tuning is prob low

[atomic abyss]

too low, come back later

[whole crypt]

2 is probably fine but mk7 has no priority anyway

[rapid grail]

188 - 188 - 144 tuning is recommended since due to OpSi mechanics, they deal decreased DMG to your ships

[lament bay]

they will remain there until the end of month? should i buy the tuning stuff from shop?

[atomic abyss]

yes they remain till end of the month

no do not buy tuning from the shop in your case

[whole crypt]

you get tuning by repeating maps, only buy if you need it to clear the shop for refresh

[lament bay]

ok so ill just explore other treasure chest/green icon stuff

[rapid grail]

Just buy the tuning if you can't be arsed

[whole crypt]

well he just cleared ch4 so he doesn't have new shop yet, buying tuning to clear shop up is fine

[rapid grail]

Then again it'll stay until the end of the month so do take your time getting the tuning recommended to clear Stronghold

Take the effort to play OpSi at least once per day

[copper pine]

next up, which do i need to fix

[south sequoia]

How much morale is consumed per battle

[atomic abyss]

2

[lament bay]

is there something to aim for or just deplete the stamina thing

[copper pine]

bisko and uvh?

[atomic abyss]

honestly? nothing
just change the guns according to the maps/boss

[atomic abyss]

2

[atomic abyss]

wait no, give staag for bis zwei too

[copper pine]

hmm

[jaunty vault]

what are you fighting

[whole crypt]

you want to secure every zone
clear all special icons on the map
then burn off whatever spare AP you have

[cobalt rapids]

general content

[night totem]

Anyone?

[lament bay]

secured hidden zones too?

[whole crypt]

everythinng

[rapid grail]

Yes, for now just manually clear them. You can't buy the logger that makes them all visible atm

[jaunty vault]

generally i dont like hsfcr on uvh

[rapid grail]

Need some vouchers first before you buy that

Assuming you've just done clearing Chapter 4 of OpSi

[jaunty vault]

make a thread
post your dock

[lament bay]

is this one safe to use?

[whole crypt]

you're not going to get a lot of mileage out of it without the logger

it's safe but you won't get anything with it

[cobalt rapids]

id rather stop for akashi boxes but its fine
you need the logger or ure stopped each time for fog recon

[night totem]

W14 fleet building

[rapid grail]

Yep, for explorables
Secured and Hidden are also powerful later on because of Akashi

If you're up to the task of farming the stages because it gets repetitive for a while

Tl;dr: Akashis spawn randomly and has a shop pool that has AP boxes.

[twilit dew]

Currently i have Eugen as my lead tank for my boss fleet, i just got both Roon and Chesire, i have the needed amout of blueprints to max one, can i replace eugen with one or should i keep her ?

[whole crypt]

if you haven't gone through reset it's only useful for repeating secured zones
and yeh turn on stop for Akashi if you want to maximize your gains

[copper pine]

basically preloading them so if the enemy has X armor, ready for its best potential to use

[whole crypt]

????????

[atomic abyss]

the tldr is

ahri is lazy to change gear around

[rapid grail]

They do similar things as tank slot ships. By all means, use them as you please

[copper pine]

we have 8 Ultra that is their peak as BB, surely they have special synergy for X armor enemy right??

[atomic abyss]

so they want the BBs to be switched according to situation

[whole crypt]

I assume you mean you have enough newer series prints to max either Roon or Cheshire, in which case I would pick Cheshire
you can just enhance older series ships with coins and in fact Cheshire as well
if the prints are PR4+ don't use them for either ship

[atomic abyss]

yes, but the difference is too small

[lament bay]

so explorable ones are fine to auto like this

[atomic abyss]

the tldr if you REALLY want to optimise just use zwei vanny for everything
with alsace for light, soyuz for med, musashi for heavy

uvh can fuck off into the mob fleet

[whole crypt]

explorables need recon to reveal map, before reset you cannot buy logger so you still need to manually recon so explorable search is useless
you can use it for secured search for this month

[lament bay]

so it explores stuff i already went through?

[copper pine]

NJ is really pushed off huh? oof

[rapid grail]

Though I would recommend using the CA that has the highest level to clear content.

As for the other two, use them on a leveling fleet somewhere like 12-1 for levels and teh cog chips needed to get them to lvl 120

Germans in particular are recommended since the PR ships are pretty good aside from Roon (lol) and such it's recommended to get their Fleet tech points up ASAP

[whole crypt]

you can use BisZwei/VG/Soyuz and oneshot every OS boss that exists

so the optimization is basically meaningless

[copper pine]

so other ships are irrelevant? because those 3 are enough?

[rapid grail]

I have the cat option turned on for the rare Akashi. It's fine without, though, as you generally want to clear most of the map ASAP to make them accessible for farm and/or other nodes

[atomic abyss]

You can just make another opsi fleet

[meager gyro]

who should i work on after avp? i could finish mainz shes at 36%

[copper pine]

agir?

[whole crypt]

those 3 are the easiest to sync to maximize and will work for anything just by swapping guns
the others you can shove in other fleet slots for cross fleet if you want, you can swap out ships in the BB fleet if you want, but you're still just oneshotting anything

[meager gyro]

already got roon, fdg, ägir and anchorage

[rapid grail]

is your PR4, 5, 6 complete?

Well Mainz is quite easy to get CDC and prints

[copper pine]

i would skip mainz and straight through pr5

[meager gyro]

what do you mean complete? and whats cdc?

[rapid grail]

1. Got every ship at that PR season at max Dev/FateSim level
2. Combat Data Collection, aka the 1 mil+ XP farm parts

[meager gyro]

only pr ships i got are roon, fdg, ägir and anchorage

[whole crypt]

earlier in the game you prioritze ships to develop because they're more impactful, or because of limited tech
later in the game you want to just finish every series as you go than hop around to maximize research efficiency

[copper pine]

ignore the first fleet, and some vanguard ships, since i know some can be slotted in mobbing fleet. just want to get some exp other than indep and uni. what can i fix?

[whole crypt]

depends on how lazy you are with fighting bosses, I'd drop UvH and FdG and make that a real BB fleet

[rapid grail]

I see. Personally I do the entirety of PR4 first as the other three ships are good, notably AvP and Hakuryuu
Plus the gears are good there.

Remember to set your Research Priorities to PR4 because it gives the prints needed for the DRs in particular (the PRs have been coinable for a while now) and the gears

[copper pine]

the zwei soyuz vanny otk?

[whole crypt]

Helena probably move to BB fleet and give fleet 2 a carrier buffer

[copper pine]

sirius?

[whole crypt]

yeh

[copper pine]

whose other buffer than those two. that is better than rest

kazagumo and sirius

[whole crypt]

well Kearsarge not affected by general carrier buffs
Kearsarge already carries ARA so Kazagumo doesn't do anything for them

[meager gyro]

having no oil sucks

[stable badger]

what fleet tech should i focus after Reload on CVs and BBs?

[whole crypt]

hit

[rapid grail]

Hit/Acc, FP, AVI

IMO pretty interchangable since they do work wonders both in campaign and in opsi

[frank pulsar]

hit has a bigger impact than fp/avi

[whole crypt]

but yeh I'm not sure what sort of optimization you want to push for OS, past some point it's not really worth bothering

[rapid grail]

BB FP in particular nears/is at the FP contribution of a +10 Black Shell when maxed out

iirc

[stable badger]

hmm... so backline is waay more important then vanguard

[copper pine]

i guess kazagumo for the 2nd fleet indeed

[whole crypt]

83

[copper pine]

wait nvm

[rapid grail]

Damn that's more than Black Shell lol

[whole crypt]

SHS is 100

[copper pine]

vanny fl right?

[whole crypt]

like if you really want to "max out" your OS there are people dumping CV fleets now to cram all the BB cross fleets

[steady beacon]

... What now...?

[whole crypt]

wasn't it?

[steady beacon]

SHS is 85 at +13, or am I tripping...

[boreal wagon]

its 85 at +13

[rapid grail]

later on, I realized having a 2nd CV fleet is meh

[whole crypt]

bad memory was probably thinking of oxytorp

[rapid grail]

When all you ever need at that point is a single BB and CV bossing fleet to beat pretty much every boss

[copper pine]

who dont have cross fleet again

[whole crypt]

folks are dropping CV fleet now even

as in 0 CV boss fleets

[copper pine]

other than uni for the mobbing?

[rapid grail]

4th fleet is relegated to crossfleets

[copper pine]

actually do you still need heal for mobbing?

[whole crypt]

depends on who you're using

if you're leveling ships then you'll probably want a healer

[copper pine]

if its peak ships dont need it?

[whole crypt]

you'll have to use repair packs every now and then

I'm just lazy to use repairs so Unicorn stays

[copper pine]

meh, i just want the ship to repair itself

[rapid grail]

Brest alone can heal the entire fleet and weather strongholds with that same fleet

[whole crypt]

Unicorn is just easier to use because preload as well

[rapid grail]

Unikai is more convenient. And Brest doesn't have a crossfleet, no point putting her in my OpSi

[copper pine]

unicorn makes perseus irrelevant

[steady beacon]

Just to check, fl = flag right
If this is the BB fleet (with Ply), flag whoever has the highest damage
(If it is Vanguard, that is a problem)

[whole crypt]

Perseus has been irrelevant for 2 years so

[rapid grail]

Not, Percy still has her niche on shorter fights