gameplay-help

[soft raft]

You have like 5 days left
Kinda doubt it unless you bust your ass and grind very hard, at most you'd prob get the 200 voucher copy

[keen sable]

Umm yes probably. $5 would almost guarantee it

[tranquil hemlock]

what lv shouldi raise the ship to atleast finsinh the event

[tranquil hemlock]

f2p 😭

[keen sable]

Probably 80 for whole story. It's doable.

[meager gyro]

kasumi retrofit good?

[atomic abyss]

Meh

It's an elite retrofit too
So incredibly expensive

[meager gyro]

elite? explain

[soft raft]

pretty meh
Wouldnt prioritize her at all

[atomic abyss]

Purple rarity = elite
Gold rarity = super rare

[zinc turret]

a bit hard tbh u only get 20 free ur ticket a day by doing mission and playing minigame so u need 100 more ticket and thing is u should to take the ur gun too so u need like arround 25k point

[atomic abyss]

If you really needed a retrofit for a destroyer outside your starters and the Chinese destroyers
It'd be stuff like Kagerou (who is blue and is better)

[atomic abyss]

Elite = purple rarity

[keen sable]

Minigame isn't timegated

[tranquil hemlock]

Is META ship good ? since its free so im a bit aware

[atomic abyss]

Purple rarity meta ships like Foch are shit

[zinc turret]

if elite is incredibly expensive what ssr retrofit called ?

[tranquil hemlock]

so i should not lv em up?

[atomic abyss]

They actually surprisingly cost around the same in terms of coins...

[tranquil hemlock]

since some meta look cool af and i used some once and shes actually op

[atomic abyss]

The issue with SSR retrofit is the retro item itself
And the gold BPs

[atomic abyss]

Yes basically

Bearn is good
Foch most certainly isn't

[craggy lance]

what's wrong with fochmet

[soft raft]

General rule of thumb is that the cruise pass METAs are dogshit in terms of any pratical use outside of Fleet tech bonuses
The only exception to this rule has been Fortune META in #pvp

The SR ones can basically be summed up as "Good/Decent but better options exist"

[atomic abyss]

There's nothing good about her
That's all

And it's worse than an ordinary elite ship

[craggy lance]

shame, into the waifu bucket with her then

[sharp token]

can you get ur prints from abyssal corrosion lvl5?

[atomic abyss]

Because an ordinary elite ship you can enhance with commons and all
For metas you need to use the meta enhancement mats

Which most players are probably not gonna have a great abundance of

[tranquil hemlock]

I might actually use all my currency for skins ngl

[atomic abyss]

I mean, we already advised you not to
If you still want to do so

[cobalt rapids]

i dont have to know that ngl

[atomic abyss]

Just don't say we didn't warn you

[soft raft]

please dont
you can prob afford like 1 cheap regular skin with all the F2P gems you'll get while you completely brick your dock space

Do you think that would be worth it?

[keen sable]

That's a big ask. Just focus on b3 10k and ur for now

[undone plover]

can some one link the wiki page with the armor break skill ID 🙏

[cobalt rapids]

/wiki armor break

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Armor_breaking

[keen sable]

Just so you know you start with 0 I think and don't expect much more

[topaz smelt]

Has anyone been updating that table

[zinc turret]

how often we will get free gem from maintenance ? i think its been a while since we just got 200 free gem from maintenance

[soft raft]

very rare

[undone plover]

what do u all usually use instead of helena for BB fleet.
if someone didnt wanna use helena
just unzen/hinden/another dps?

[soft raft]

like extremely rare

Its only saved for major screwups

[cobalt rapids]

i mean it has guam

i wanna use helena

[zinc turret]

like when they extend the maintenance by hours ?

[boreal wagon]

we usually get gems when maint went significantly longer than intended

we do not get them for every extension

[atomic abyss]

^

[soft raft]

^

[undone plover]

EN anni should give some free gems at least. late august but that is one time/year
LNY also gave i think 300 gems this year
but these arent from maint. more like event

[eager mulch]

last major screw up we only got 100 gems

[atomic abyss]

it's easy to forget that AL is one of the rare games where the "premium currency" isn't the gacha currency

[soft raft]

at most the usual maint goes for 10 hours (8 regular hours + 2 possible extension hours)
Afaik we've only had two major screwups that warranted gems, Microlayer's intial run (Maint went on for days) and the recent asset redownload fiasco (Maint went on for 4 additional hours after a 2 hour extension)

[boreal wagon]

its actually a pretty horrific idea to spend gems on gacha lol

[steady beacon]

Ye, usually you stick a DPS in there
There are... surprisingly few debuffers worth mentioning that work on the BB cycle, somewhat interestingly
If anti-light, ofc, Aurora can go in there

[zinc turret]

dayum maintenance for days

[atomic abyss]

well

that's incorrect

[undone plover]

aurora best girl . i meant more like when the choice isnt as obvious

[cobalt rapids]

hindenburger is great

[atomic abyss]

it wasn't maint for days so much as, there were loads of people who could not log in for days

[steady beacon]

Also, I don't really believe in it anymore, but if you go for my beloved heretical triple Georgia gun setup, you can try Helena META or Roon Muse for the 15s debuff cycle
It works for like three rotations, at best, though
These days I just give up and stick Shima or Unzen or Tai Yuan in there

[atomic abyss]

the tldr is that they were forced to kill the server after it went up due to a super major bug

and while said major bug was fixed quickly

the server restarting was the issue

[undone plover]

wait roon muse has 10% damage buff that is not bad

[calm rose]

isnt the timing weirdo

[undone plover]

yeah unfortunately

[inland shoal]

Me every now and then

[topaz smelt]

Iirc hitting the barrage was the issue

[tame orchid]

Do hard mode stages have story mode(the thing which you give cubes), talking about cavella event

[steady beacon]

You mean the corresponding C/D stages of the event? If so, yes

[wispy pendant]

um... i'm pretty sure you don't have first clear missions for archived events, if that's the question

no need to 3 star those levels

[wispy pendant]

Is this what you were asking about?

[wispy pendant]

Also, if you're asking about future events or reruns, then there is only a reward for first clear and for 3 stars for either the A or C level, and the B or D level, you can't earn rewards for both normal mode and hard mode.

[keen sable]

In war archives when you clear last map eg B3 or D3 you automagically get all story

[vestal thistle]

Is there any good meta

[topaz smelt]

most of the gold metas are decent

[vestal thistle]

Any elite?

[vestal thistle]

Which one should I try getting

[vestal thistle]

Like?

[keen sable]

Romney? Bearn?

[wispy pendant]

none of the elites are "good"... they are decent in terms of other elites, but none of them are "good" as like anyone using them in hard content.

[keen sable]

Fortune

[wispy pendant]

oh... fortune is okay for pvp

i don't know if we can get meta elites if you missed them from cruise though

[vestal thistle]

And who should I get from gold

[topaz smelt]

souryuu,hiryuu and repulse are the good ones

[vestal thistle]

Which one should I start with?

[wispy pendant]

if you can make a fleet that is good enough to 2 shot any of the dossier bosses, I don't think any of the meta ships will add much to your dock

most of the meta ships do give good fleet tech though

[steady beacon]

At the very least, we can't yet...
Supposedly the cruise passes are going to be archived, or equivalent, sometime in the near future

[topaz smelt]

prob added to meta shop once they give us a way to farm more

[vestal thistle]

This is what I use
And the only tech I want for now is iron blood

[wispy pendant]

When Queen E Meta is added to dossier, it's useful to have at least one of souryuu hiryuu or repulse (or helenaM) maxed to deal with her adds

[wispy pendant]

I'm sure you're not done with BB or CV fleet tech yet

[vestal thistle]

I barely understand the terms

[wispy pendant]

every ship adds a little bit of permanent stats to their hull type when they are leveled up to 120

[vestal thistle]

Wait what tech? Isn't that for unlocking lab ship

[sharp token]

the BF KMS Fighter Rocket is for light and med right?

[keen sable]

That's faction tech or tech points

[atomic abyss]

usui wat

[wispy pendant]

these ships for example give +2 avi to all carriers once they are leveled up to lvl 120

[atomic abyss]

you're confusing him

he wants IB faction tech for research ships

not fleet tech

[wispy pendant]

Yeah, I'm telling him he doesn't know what I meant when I said meta ships give good fleet tech

[viscid swift]

single target yes, i.e. not campaign

[atomic abyss]

honestly? any of the 3 suggested

given your lack of BCs in the pic provided tho, i recommend repulse

[wispy pendant]

maybe he isn't showing his Hood

[kindred ingot]

What are extra meta crystals converted into?

[atomic abyss]

there's a level 105 rodney there so im not holding my breath

[atomic abyss]

meta shop currency

[sharp token]

if im going on boss with med or light armor should i use that BF and the other planes can be tenrai and ijn converging torps?

[atomic abyss]

yes, for opsi bosses

[viscid swift]

so long is it syncs sure

[viscid swift]

are you even in W12 yet?

[steady beacon]

KMS converging torps are fine also
Depending on your setup, being able to shuffle your TB helps with the syncing

[north forge]

just in case anyone else was looking for stats on Research, the Azur Stats/lyoko site is working again https://azur-stats.lyoko.io/

[wispy pendant]

i ran out of space for all the cross fleet UR BBs... which ones have the best cross fleet? Seems like I need to choose the worst of musashi, NJ, Soyuz or UvH to get rid of.

[steady beacon]

Is there a reason your mob fleet can't accommodate one of them

[wispy pendant]

Because I'm leveling up ships in my mob fleet and Unicorn is doing fine without a UR BB

[atomic abyss]

3 are in the BB boss fleet
one in the spare fleet then

[wispy pendant]

also, why can't you answer the question on how their cross fleets are ranked?

[whole crypt]

I'd drop UvH... after dropping CV fleet

[steady beacon]

Because it literally isn't that easy

[wind hazel]

does it even matter that much

[whole crypt]

if you want to optimize cross fleet the first ships to go are Shinano and Yorktown II

[wispy pendant]

This is what my fleets are looking like now. Not sure Musashi even makes the team.

[steady beacon]

When you're a nutty maximalist, yes

[north forge]

@keen sable do you have a more up-to-date source for Research stats?

[wispy pendant]

I'll swap haku into my cv fleet and independence into my mob fleet at the end of the month

[whole crypt]

personally I'm going to drop carrier fleet and Independence

[wispy pendant]

I guess I'll put musashi or uvh in my mob fleet too

[atomic abyss]

that would make more sense yes

[wispy pendant]

I guess I can bring carrier fleet back in if I need to for bosses

[atomic abyss]

opsi isn't exactly a good way to level ships anyways

[wispy pendant]

it's a little bit of exp, and so why not?

[whole crypt]

just use carriers on mob fleet for cleanup if you luck out on 1s on harby

[wispy pendant]

unicorn and unzen make mobs go away fast, so the rest just leach some exp

[whole crypt]

I guess if you're still midgame OS XP is a thing

[keen sable]

Nope but I don't advocate for data from cheaters

[wispy pendant]

no, I'm end game coping min maxing my exp gain

[whole crypt]

endgame coping doesn't need to minmax XP because you'll be out of chips

[wispy pendant]

you can always store up to 3 million exp my friend

[cobalt rapids]

whats the point

[north forge]

fair enough

[whole crypt]

you still won't get the chips fast enough

[cobalt rapids]

if the rate of xp without opsi is higher than cog rate

[wispy pendant]

they are ready for release when I have the chips eventually

[whole crypt]

yeh you can do that without minmaxing XP

[cobalt rapids]

arent they like that without opsi anyway

[wind hazel]

maybe he's dedicated c1 grinder

[wispy pendant]

I haven't stored 3 million into monteplier yet, for example

[whole crypt]

you just haven't ran out of chips

[wispy pendant]

but I have ran out of chips

[whole crypt]

then you'll realize stocking first is pointless when you'll just end up with a whole stack of 3Ms and no chips

[wispy pendant]

why are we judging my use of ships in my mob fleet instead of answering the ranking of cross fleets?

[whole crypt]

there's no simple ranking and I said first BB to go is UVH

[cobalt rapids]

because i wanna know the motivation behind opsi xp farm to see if i should do it aswell

[whole crypt]

the worst crossfleet BBs are actually BisZwei and Vanguard but are you dropping them from BB fleet?

[wispy pendant]

I just feel like having a full stack of ships ready to lvl to 120 even though I'll never have enough cogs is my goal

[cobalt rapids]

i get that but im asking if u dont already have that without opsi grind ?

[wind hazel]

it's just a little bonus

[wispy pendant]

I guess I can wait till I'm actually doing hardbiter and siren nodes to build my bb and CV fleet, but yeah, my BB fleet was going to be Bis2, Alsace, Vanguard

I've transitioned to grinding 13-1 instead of 12-4 for even more cog chips

[whole crypt]

if you want to max cross fleet just start by dropping CV fleet and shoving Implacable somewhere

[wispy pendant]

implacable has decent cross?

[whole crypt]

stops enemy on first shelling

if you think that's not needed can drop as well

[wispy pendant]

I guess I'm dropping Shinana, putting UVH there. That's good enough for now, thanks guys

[atomic abyss]

...maybe i shd push w13 myself
for dewey and new orleans

[whole crypt]

dewit

[wind hazel]

[atomic abyss]

i'll wait till after the event

[viscid swift]

Bunkerhill not New Orleans

[atomic abyss]

oh right
NO was 14-4 lol

[whole crypt]

you'll still need to do 13 first anyway

[wispy pendant]

I got 87k event points, and never got my bearne crystals, so I'm just buying them and forgetting about mog dupe and going back to w13

[atomic abyss]

i mean i imagine i'll slaughter w13 so

[wind hazel]

is the new AA gun BiS for Unzen if you want FP?

[atomic abyss]

stick with the 134 was what we discussed iirc?

[wispy pendant]

half the time it's tied with RN 15+ fp

[viscid swift]

I think so providing aircraft don't exist

[steady beacon]

Ye
But I will die on my STAAG hill

[wispy pendant]

yeah, also STAAG hit somehow benefits torp boats, right?

[atomic abyss]

that's more a hole than a hill

[whole crypt]

I'm willing to STAAG cope for Unzen given how much of her dmg is TRP

[steady beacon]

Either way, I will die there

[whole crypt]

just mostly accuracy and crit calc

[atomic abyss]

might as well go for an oxy torp too
i mean what

[wispy pendant]

how does accuracy work... is there a chance that your torp hits the hit box and still miss? Is accuracy something that counters enemy evade stat or something?

[steady beacon]

I mean, if this is a serious boss fight privileging torps, I already do

[atomic abyss]

the latter

[atomic abyss]

/accuracy

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Accuracy determines the chances of hitting or missing the enemy. It is affected by several stats, such as attacker's Hit, defender's Evasion, and Evasion Rate, as well as Luck stat of both. Full maths and factors behind it can be seen here.

Same factors also affect Critical Hit chances, maths behind which can be found here.

[whole crypt]

granted that gearing is for Rodney, not OS

[wispy pendant]

how much damage increase is the luck stat on fate sim 5? is there a avg number, or is it too complex to know?

[atomic abyss]

luck has a bigger effect on tankiness as oppose to damage so

[wispy pendant]

how much ehp is the luck stat from fate sim 5 then?

[whole crypt]

1.5% accuracy on a PR, 2.5% accuracy on a DR, then there's whatever goes into crit

for defense it's 1.5% and 2.5% evasion respectively

[steady beacon]

The same percentages, divided by 5 iirc

[wispy pendant]

is 1.5% better accuracy about 1.5% more damage, or is that not a good way to think of it?

[atomic abyss]

it is not a good way to think about it

just like how you cannot consider 1.5% FP boost to be 1.5% more dps

[viscid swift]

first you need to consider what 1.5% better accuracy actually means

[whole crypt]

depends on ship/enemy and a bunch of other things

not like it really matters, if you use a research ship with FS, do the FS

[atomic abyss]

the skill upgrade(s) are far more impactful than the +15 luck

[steady beacon]

It isn't even ultimately the luck stat you're gunning for with the FS

Ye, what Ender said

[whole crypt]

it is if your name is Anchorage

[hallow iron]

I finish roon, should I be coining her? And how much should I coin each day

[viscid swift]

may as well and depends on how much you can afford

I wouldn't go over 15 a day

[hallow iron]

Does this dev thingy increase her star? (limit break)

[atomic abyss]

limit break + stat enhancements

[craggy lance]

is there any reason to craft augments at anything but max level? can I enhance them later?

[zinc turret]

Ok so if i get this did the enemy become weaker or stronger ?

[atomic abyss]

you become stronger

[craggy lance]

I think that’s “sirens do less damage” iirc?

[zinc turret]

Wut , its say its affecf the offense stat of enemy ship

[craggy lance]

it’s THEIR offense and THEIR defense stats you’re affecting, I think

[atomic abyss]

the tldr is

the more tuning you have

the more you negate their buffs

[zinc turret]

I see so its weaken them the more i have

[tardy harness]

I can't start the first stage on the light of martyrium event and idk why

[soft raft]

huh how
that should be impossible to screw up on that

[zinc turret]

Um restart the game ?

[soft raft]

yeah your game might've desynced
force close and relaunch it

[tardy harness]

Works, thanks

[pseudo hearth]

Suggestion on which of the 3 to give a bulin? I haven’t gotten Alsace yet unfortunately, should I save for her then?

[forest palm]

could just wait till the event banner ends

[muted forge]

Hey is she good

[atomic abyss]

very very good.... assuming you can limit break her

[viscid swift]

yes

[elfin hollow]

is a ur she is good

[soft raft]

Yes very
Gacha UR Always gud

[elfin hollow]

my opinion better then NJ

[muted forge]

[pseudo hearth]

That’s part of my question though.

[atomic abyss]

she is better than NJ tho

[atomic abyss]

i would save the bulin for alsace

[elfin hollow]

save cubes and get alsance once is the last day of the even dump it all

[pseudo hearth]

Well, I hope I get her then

[forest palm]

I meant just wait until after the banner ends before considering who to MLB

[soft raft]

i mean like it's not really hard to beat NJ when she's alreaedy been powercrept by multiple UR BBs so

[elfin hollow]

dothe 3-4-3 stratage

[muted forge]

On the event banner I have everyone but béarn meta so should I keep pulling for her?

[pseudo hearth]

It’s a good thing you need multiple back line ships and multiple fleets

[atomic abyss]

no
you can farm bearn from d3 or buy her in the shop

[muted forge]

Alright thank you

[soft raft]

No
see if you can drop Bearn META from B3/D3, and if you cant by the time the event ends, buy her from the shop

[dull saddle]

rn who is better btw the new ur dd and laffey 2?

[ivory crown]

who do i pick from this? i already have hood maxed. is it just who i like

[soft raft]

they have different roles

[atomic abyss]

different uses
but laffey serves in more relevant and challenging content

[soft raft]

whoever you need for tech points
Hood's the only one there that has any significant relevance

[dull saddle]

which are?

[atomic abyss]

mogador = gun dmg
laff II = aa+tank

[viscid swift]

Laffey 2 is damage and tanking in certain situations and Moador is damage

[dull saddle]

i really need a dps rn so i take mogador then?

[atomic abyss]

...if anything i'd say invest the bulins in a UR backliner

[soft raft]

Laffey II will be more relevant than Mogador

[forest palm]

most damage comes from your main fleet, not a single ship in the vanguard

[dull saddle]

I've got a decent mainfleet with 3 ur/dr that are maxed in everyway(Gear kinda sucks but im working on it)

[forest palm]

then work on your gear

[vestal thistle]

She wiped the floor with me

[atomic abyss]

and so will any meta boss at your level

[dull saddle]

Champ gun is still good right?
thats what i use

[atomic abyss]

assuming you are not fighting light armour yes

[muted forge]

Who else should I focus on leveling up guys 😔 my main people barely get lvls from commissions anymore

[vestal thistle]

She is just free loading since the event started

[dull saddle]

No im not

[vestal thistle]

The current one is easy enough

[atomic abyss]

because you should NOT be levelling your main ships with commissions...

[forest palm]

all I know is Mog isn't going to help a fleet nearly as much as say Laffey II, Helena, Plymouth, or Agir

[soft raft]

Pennsylvania/Unicorn/Hiryuu Portland/Laffey/Helena

[atomic abyss]

you should be using the oil for grinding

[dull saddle]

is ply's dev 30 needed or should i wait and do some other ur?

[atomic abyss]

is fdg 30
is agir 30
is haku 30

[vestal thistle]

Sad truth

[dull saddle]

no haku is dev 23 or something iirc lemme check

[viscid swift]

finish PR4 and a 3nd Tenrai then before moving onto PR5

[forest palm]

Plymouth just needs to be like Dev 15, but she's fragile at that point, Dev 25 she gets good bulk, and Dev 30 is where the rest of her damage comes in

[atomic abyss]

haku first
ply will need 30 too eventually

[dull saddle]

she is dev 22

[atomic abyss]

then forget ply and focus on PR4 and haku

[dull saddle]

is marco polo good?

[atomic abyss]

good but outclassed (thanks UR BBs)

[dull saddle]

i need to do a new ship now
any good ships in pr3? i didnt do it yet

[atomic abyss]

cheshire and drake only

probably cheshire
since she's still relevant

[dull saddle]

ty

[muted forge]

Unicorn hiryuu Portland laffey and Helena only get like one level from a commission tho they are in my main fleet

[atomic abyss]

because you should NOT be levelling your main ships with commissions...

you should instead be using them in battle

[muted forge]

Yeah that’s why I replied to what they said

[blazing shale]

who dis

[vestal thistle]

Yeah

[atomic abyss]

...chiyoda i think?

[vestal thistle]

Double exp from battle till lv80

[forest palm]

one of the twins

it's either Chiyoda, or Chitose

[soft raft]

Why arent you grinding stages then?
Not to mention that ships that are in comission sorties cant be used anywhere else for the duration of the comission so you're just soft locking them instead of actually using that time to get some semblance of actual XP grind

[atomic abyss]

this so much^

[forest palm]

it's a Chitose in this outfit

[soft raft]

Chitose's "Mosaic of Blending colors" skin

[craggy lance]

drip

[muted forge]

I’m grinding stages with my main fleet (I’m only on world 4 so I’m still trying to make it further in), I asked who I should put in my commissions because while I am actually playing the game with the fleet I’m really worried about leveling I would still like to know if I should level any another good ships I might have

[soft raft]

just throw in random fodder, it barely matters when the XP gain from comissions is minute

[viscid swift]

no, you do not at this point have anyone else worth considering for a 2nd fleet

[soft raft]

You dont really have any other good ships right now anyways outside of the ships I mentioned earlier

[dull saddle]

Do I use all my dr prints on Haku?
(just saw that I have like 80 total)

[soft raft]

depends on the highest series the blank goes up to

[turbid basin]

so, i started playing azur lane few days ago, cleared B3 in event, and now the game locks me out of more event because i didnt build the characters C1 wants me to have, any quick fix possible? (missing CL) CL list that i have :

[soft raft]

out of the ones pictured there, Phoenix has the most relevance but you should've bought Helena from guild shop

[atomic abyss]

...i would buy helena from the guild shop and use her
or just stick with B3 honestly

[dull saddle]

65 upto series 6, others till series 4

[soft raft]

then dont use the PR6 ones
but you can use the PR4 ones sure

[dull saddle]

ok thanks

[turbid basin]

alright thanks, Helena it is, any fast leveling tips?

[keen sable]

Consider Leander for any hope of d2

[keen sable]

Fast no. Efficient yes by dropping down to low cost b3. If you start having too much oil then push campaign a few times to use it all up

[keen sable]

Oh and c1 doesn't require anything if you have enough levels. Put two scrubs in fleet 1 and your real ships in fleet 2

[turbid basin]

RIP, not enough levels on my real ships anyway, to B3 i go

[keen sable]

Like this

[turbid basin]

yeah, figured that out

just not enough levels anyway

thanks anyway

average level 67 on my real ships doesnt cut it

[keen sable]

Yeah not ready for c1. Just got to keep at it

[modern cloud]

Newish player just got Alsace, guessing not worth it until I get bullins to max because capped at 70?

[polar venture]

Is Mogador good?

[atomic abyss]

as with most URs
yes
assuming you limit break her
alsace higher prio tho

[soft raft]

URs arent lvl capped by their Limit Break lvl the same way other ships are but generally dont use a ship that's not MLB

[polar venture]

How am I going to get 300 tickets it already took me forever to get 200 😭😭

[modern cloud]

Ahhh OK, don't see her on tier list either so no idear how she'd compare to my other BB's. Currently running only Hood and Littorio.

[soft raft]

ECTL wont be updating for a bit due to the evals being busy with other stuff

Also surely you have better options than Littorio of all things, right?

[atomic abyss]

there are purples and blues better than her so

[polar venture]

Is the limited event right under build worth?

[soft raft]

wishing well? No not really
Especially if you have less than 400 cubes and/or havent got the UR yet

[craggy lance]

someday the well will actually be worth it to me

[keen sable]

Personally if alsace is your first ur it's ok to just commit to her. Even at lb1, she's probably better than a lot of bb.

And it means you can make efficient use of ALL your bulins not just some

[polar venture]

Do I have enough time to got the 300 ticket matador if I grind only 2 and a half days? I have a flight I have to take on Monday 👀

[modern cloud]

My BB's, didn't see any higher on the list than her.

[turbid basin]

yeah, Alsace is also my first UR and she carries me in damage despite not even have any UR bulins yet

[atomic abyss]

nelson

[modern cloud]

Except my other one Hood

[soft raft]

Nelson after you retrofit her is about on par with Hood

[modern cloud]

Oh man missed her

So Retro Nelso or just use Alsace ya think?

[soft raft]

retro Nelson for now
Esp since your Alsace isnt MLB or even LB1

[modern cloud]

Rgr, thanks guys.

[polar venture]

Do I have enough time to get the 300 ticket matador if I grind only 2 and a half days? I have a flight I have to take Monday night 👀

[cobalt rapids]

check pins and calc ur remaining sources

[atomic abyss]

don't think so

[lunar epoch]

did we ever get this ship?

[atomic abyss]

no

[cobalt rapids]

we didnt

[eager mulch]

nope

[soft raft]

She's a NPC from this event
And she's not even a shipgirl so extremely unlikely we'll have her as a playable unit

[wispy pendant]

i didn't even read the story, what was her role?

[craggy lance]

allow me
#al-lore

[atomic abyss]

#al-lore exists for such purposes yes

[craggy lance]

(and by 'me' i mean 'my associates')

[tame jungle]

does graf zeppelin's iron blood wings skill also count herself for the proc? (aviation increase portion)

ty

[soft raft]

skills like that always count the ship the skill belongs to unless explicitly stated otherwise

[cobalt rapids]

if it doesnt state "excluding this ship" or smth like that it usually includes

[tame jungle]

good to know, thanks guys

[tranquil hemlock]

guys is brenust good?

[atomic abyss]

brennus?
good, but an expensive portland retrofit
not someone a new player would invest in at least

[tranquil hemlock]

Which 5s should I raise?

[atomic abyss]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips
refer to this guide on what to use/raise

[cobalt rapids]

laffey unicorn portland little friedrich helena

[tranquil hemlock]

but the sr one

[atomic abyss]

SR doesn't always mean good

[tame jungle]

nothing stands out to me

[atomic abyss]

zara is worse than brennus and portland retro

[tame jungle]

sirius is quite good though

[soft raft]

Sirus only stands out in opsi
Zara is just a expensive Portland sidegrade
Brennus is also just a expensive Portland sidegrade

[cobalt rapids]

mby u could have replaced port with brennus if u didnt feed all bulins in sirius

[viscid swift]

if I had a dollar for everytime someone though higher rarity meant better, I would be jeff bezos

[atomic abyss]

we don't have enough players in the game for that

[tame jungle]

she jeffin my bezos and it feels amazon

[atomic abyss]

[tame jungle]

arbiter this month is hermit again, correct? anything i should look out for?

[cobalt rapids]

nothing june has no gimmicks

gear for heavy

[tame jungle]

aight

[tranquil hemlock]

WTH WHY UNICORN HAS SO MUCH SKINS

[atomic abyss]

popular ship = more skins

[tranquil hemlock]

should i use exp data pack on her?

like lv up her asap?

[tame jungle]

no need, she'll be leveled soon enough

[atomic abyss]

given she's one of the best ships in the game.... she's worth raising
but maybe save your exp data

[tame jungle]

unicorn's retrofit makes her the best healer in the game

[cobalt rapids]

u want to keep an average lvl in ur fleet

[tranquil hemlock]

im in a rush rn since i have 5 days left for that free UR

[wispy pendant]

don't pick new ships to level up if you're in a rush, stick with the ones you have

[atomic abyss]

and that is related in what way?

[cobalt rapids]

their fleet needs restructure asap or it wont get far

[wispy pendant]

huh, maybe I missed the context, maybe a good time for a thread if it's talking about a single persons fleet?

[viscid swift]

well that's what they're working with

[wispy pendant]

if that's all they have, someone missed reading the newbie guide

[uncut willow]

Is there a most efficient map to farm Little Friedrich points on?

[cobalt rapids]

u get her naturally just by letting her sit in dock

[uncut willow]

Oh really?

[soft raft]

higher world = more little FdG points per run
you dont need to actually sortie little FdG to get points

[cobalt rapids]

but if u wanna accelerate just put her in ur boss fleet w.e ure grinding

[cobalt rapids]

im at 4k in 8 days so ig 1k in 5 days isnt hard

[rich valve]

are the new gears in gear lab worth?

[atomic abyss]

the tldr is outside the mk7 not really
And even then the mk7 isn't high prio

[soft raft]

406 Mk 7 good but not a high prio
the british DD gun is a slightly more expensive 76mm
everything else is pretty

[rich valve]

I guess slap mk6 on most BB again

[soft raft]

if against light armor yee

[rich valve]

what's the mk6 equivalent for mid-heavy armor?

[cobalt rapids]

champy gun

[atomic abyss]

champagne gun from pr3

Prototype Triple 406mm /50 Main Gun Mount

[wispy pendant]

if you actually use FdS, then her points rack up super fast

[snow coral]

Does anyone have the dps charts for each armor type?

[atomic abyss]

/armour

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/877421174114631700/1020079467672125481/Ammo_Modifiers_Chart_AL_updated_9-15-22.jpg

[atomic abyss]

are you referring to this?

[snow coral]

I meant for ships

[cobalt rapids]

u mean cns magic

[keen sable]

Unicorn does her job perfectly well at level 1

[snow coral]

Maybe I’m missing something here since I’m not that active, but more than likely ye. Just charts of which ships do the most dmg to armor type

[viscid swift]

well it's not that simple

[eager mulch]

it most definitely isn’t that shrimple

[cobalt rapids]

u can find cn magic on cn wiki in strategy collection ship output smth smth expectation

[viscid swift]

you need to factor in well what exactly are you fighting, and what things can potentially kill your ships and how do you counter that because dead ships don't do damage

[snow coral]

I could have sworn this existed before since I remember it with anti light

[night pumice]

what happens if I get another bearn meta off of D3 when I have the four meta crystals needed to mlb her?

[eager mulch]

meta crystal fragments

[hollow gust]

cn wiki has it

dont remember how to get to the page though

[tranquil hemlock]

What should I choose for those

[cobalt rapids]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[viscid swift]

set it to PR4, and catchup to Anchorage

[snow coral]

Me either

[night pumice]

been wondering, why exactly is PR4 the recommended one for catchup

[tranquil hemlock]

What’s DR mean

[keen sable]

Because you can essentially get one for free and she's really good

[viscid swift]

Decisive Rarity

[atomic abyss]

most of the PR4 ships are really valuable for new players
and they have the best gear drops too

[cobalt rapids]

https://wiki.biligame.com/blhx/舰船输出生存参考#125级航母对单输出

[snow coral]

Now to learn chinese

[tranquil hemlock]

What about brest

She has campaign or smt

[keen sable]

Do you know 0LB ships are basically useless?

[keen sable]

It's free. You don't get a choice

[wraith oyster]

are the 30min rainbow researches a priority?

[keen sable]

And 30 is 5.8% of what you need

[wraith oyster]

5k coins, 5 cubes for 30min rainbow research of kearsarge, im currently working on pr4

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur cube stock

[keen sable]

I take them except when I don't want them which is only h. Always q and almost always d

[wraith oyster]

q h d?

[atomic abyss]

/research

[odd root]

credit: Newbie#1553 and Lunar#7777 https://i.imgur.com/wGQkqJk.jpg

[cobalt rapids]

rigging, cube analysis, cognition

[atomic abyss]

i mean, the chart is what they stand for

[keen sable]

The three research projects that are 0.5h

[wraith oyster]

yeah i went ahead and skipped the kearsarge and refreshed since i have no kearsarge plans in foreseeable future

worked out cause i got an agir research

[tired condor]

is 12-4 the coin stage

[cobalt rapids]

w12+ is coin stages

[dawn hamlet]

what are the recommendation to buy in the event shop?

[cobalt rapids]

check pins

[ancient kettle]

Is NJ still viable in today’s meta for boss fights?

[cobalt rapids]

w12+ X-4 stages usually do have higher eff of coin/oil except 15

yea she is

[atomic abyss]

not the best, but still very viable

[wispy pendant]

she's still very strong, but there can be arguments made that there are others that would bring more than she does, so she's no longer at the top... hasn't been for a few UR BB releases

[ancient kettle]

So is she better geared towards mob fleets?

[atomic abyss]

nope

[ancient kettle]

Oh

[atomic abyss]

NJ is just like 5th or 6th best for bosses i guess

[wraith oyster]

she still better than all the sr options

[tired condor]

is hood good

[atomic abyss]

yes, especially with her augment

she is only really powercrept by the UR BBs (not warspite)

[wispy pendant]

Just because you're not the best anymore for boss doesn't mean you are well suited for repetitive mob battles. NJ is good, but it's not good to think of someone as "boss or mob" without understanding what you mean by that.

[atomic abyss]

NJ still has preference for boss anyways

fine i forgot owari...

[wispy pendant]

what about owari?

[wraith oyster]

wait is owari pretty much strongest non ur bb?

[ancient kettle]

Aight thanks! Y’all are super helpful! 😁

[cobalt rapids]

depends where but for boss alot of golds beat hood

[atomic abyss]

she is

[wraith oyster]

any point raising owari if i have 4 ur bbs + warspite

[wispy pendant]

how good is fubuki and tamaki? I haven't leveled them up all the way yet

[atomic abyss]

warspite can be ignored so

[wraith oyster]

the only sr bb i have really raised and used is og bismarck

[atomic abyss]

owari can still be used on mob or something
and she's a gold BB so cheaper to raise

[wraith oyster]

NJ, Biszwei, FdG, Alsace, then the CVs like yorkii, implacable are my ur main fleets

obv i use unicorn too

[tired condor]

is meta helena good

[cobalt rapids]

shes ok

[tired condor]

whats a good non bb meta ship that does not wear glasses

[atomic abyss]

hiryuu meta i suppose
helena too imo

[tired condor]

someone come take my alsace away cuz shes the only reason im in chapter 12

[wispy pendant]

doesn't wear glasses? not a good take

[tired condor]

nah glasses dont look good

[wispy pendant]

by meta do you mean strong, or "meta" faction

[tired condor]

meta faction

[wispy pendant]

why do you care about meta faction ships?

[tired condor]

cuz i get these meta things from opsi

[wispy pendant]

these are the obtainable meta ships... rodney is current, the rest are dossier. the only ship there that wears glasses that isn't a BB is souryuu meta, and she's one of the better meta ships because her arial barrage and her planes in general do a lot of aoe damage, and are good against Queen E's adds for her fight. As for their strength compared to most other gold ships, they are "Tier 1" or lower in terms of how they rank on the ECTL, so none of them are super good

[tired condor]

meh ill just build one for fun then

[wispy pendant]

Gneisenau wears glasses, but she's a "BC" .. not sure you're counting her as a BB or consider BC's different

BCs are sometimes required for hard mode requirements, so good to have a few

[wraith oyster]

might be dumb question but why are foch and bearn not here

[tired condor]

i can use hood as my bc

[atomic abyss]

foch is cruise pass
bearn is event/gacha

[wispy pendant]

foch is a cruise meta. bearn is a event/gacha meta, and so they are not part of the "meta showdown" ships.

[wraith oyster]

dang if i was gonna build any of them it'd be foch

[atomic abyss]

and the elite metas are all shit anyways

[wispy pendant]

she's literally in the cruise mission right now

if you don't have her yet, just complete cruise missions

[wraith oyster]

nah i already have her

[wispy pendant]

bruh, then why did you say this?

[silk sphinx]

Cause she’s bad

[wraith oyster]

because if i was going to build a meta ship, i would build her

but i am not going to build a meta ship

[wraith oyster]

build foch fr

[silk sphinx]

Well if you have four UR bbs, you can probably start considering fleet tech

[wispy pendant]

k, this isn't really gph anymore

[wraith oyster]

yeah yeah im working on anchorage and agir currently tbh

[silk sphinx]

Oh I mean the lv120 bonuses tbh

[wraith oyster]

unzen main tank in my mob fleet isnt gonna cut it much longer lol

[silk sphinx]

Owari for example is +2 Bb fp

[wraith oyster]

i havent focused on fleet tech like at all

[wispy pendant]

you will

[wraith oyster]

also levelling ships to 120 is actually so painful, i never have any books

[hollow gust]

Just use the ships lol

[wraith oyster]

they get abyssmal xp though

[hollow gust]

Go to a higher stage

[wispy pendant]

if you're grinding w12/w13 with lvl 100+ ships, you should have lots of books, what are you using them on?

[wraith oyster]

i dont even grind w12 or 13 im still progressing through w12

[wispy pendant]

ok, well you'll get there soon, but if you're not grinding w12 yet, you don't need to be hyper focusing ships to lvl 120 either

[wraith oyster]

im just kinda lazy and been progressing slow, i have ths hips and gear to probably atleast get to w14 but i've been grinding event and stuff

[viscid swift]

I rather doubt the W14 bit tbh

remember, difficulty does not increase linearly in the main campaign

[wraith oyster]

i said to w14 not beat w14

[wispy pendant]

w12 to w13 is oof, to w14 is big oof, and w15 is uber oof

but better to experience that yourself, it's not going anywhere if you're still working on event though

[wraith oyster]

i've got 125 sandy, nj, yorkii, yuudachi, shimakaze, unzen, biszwei, fdg, jda, unicorn 120, 120 guam

[wispy pendant]

do you have basically their best gear at lvl 10 yet?

[wraith oyster]

i assume that can easily do w13

[lament tree]

Over a week of no gold ship parts to finish laffey's retrofit. is there another way to get them?

[viscid swift]

3 star hard node stages

[lament tree]

Besides that

That's what I've been doing

[kind slate]

Do I need more than 3 champy guns? I can make another one

[viscid swift]

Choose a deity and start praying

[wispy pendant]

uh, i don't think jda is doing much for your in w13, nor is yuudachi shima or unzen. I guess you're hoping guam and sandy carry your AA, and you have strong enough carriers besides york2

[viscid swift]

No

[lament tree]

[wispy pendant]

the hardest content right now is w15, and that needs more carriers than BB, so no need to do more than 3 champ guns

[wraith oyster]

gold and under yeah, few ships have rainbow main guns like biszwei, fdg, unzen

w12 is cake walk but lazy

[wispy pendant]

i guess when you have time, try w13, and let us know if it was a breeeze or not

[wraith oyster]

w13 heavy on planes right?

[wispy pendant]

yep

[wraith oyster]

who are the other vanguards that are non-pr/dr that deal with aa very well

[wispy pendant]

If you're not making ACV, it's probably going to be hard for you

[wispy pendant]

You have sandy and guam, if they are well equipped, you can probably get by with them, but you need the rest of the fleet to do well also

[wraith oyster]

also 125 og bismarck, 121 implacable

[wispy pendant]

iirc, vanguard AA doesn't contribute to your ACV

[wraith oyster]

i'll do event until 2nd mogador and the gun and then i'll farm to w13 ig

[wispy pendant]

ok, good luck

[wraith oyster]

best options for main fleet aa then?

[wispy pendant]

just bring enough carriers that your ACV goes green

[wraith oyster]

i have lots of 100+ srs but just cant be bothered to name all

aquila, independence, essex, etc

[wraith oyster]

shoukaku, zuikaku but i doubt they're useful tbh

[tropic tusk]

why doesnt this turn off whts the problem?

[wispy pendant]

don't over think it, just bring whom you want and hope it goes well, come back if it doesn't. @wraith oyster

[tropic tusk]

it jst keeps lighting up dosent want to go away

[wispy pendant]

is it because your guild needs to choose the next tech to research? @tropic tusk

[tropic tusk]

wait let me check

[tropic tusk]

but im not high enough rank to start research

[fathom sable]

I should spend my Bulins on Alsace instead of Mogador or prioritize Alsace first?

[wraith oyster]

yeah

[wispy pendant]

message your guild officers

[wispy pendant]

you asked the same question twice... focus on Alsace, she's better

[tropic tusk]

naa they ignore it oh well ill just leave it be

[sacred silo]

Why are mogador and ying swei gaining different amounts of xp

[wispy pendant]

sorry

[eager mulch]

Check their morale

[hollow gust]

that comp is yikes though

[inland shoal]

When isn't Ying Swei

[sacred silo]

I'm trying to level ying swei and langley and I was checking xp numbers to see if I should 1:1 on an easier map

[forest palm]

if you have access to oil cap maps there's hardly a reason to 1:1 these day

[inland shoal]

But why are you trying to level Ying Swei and Langley?

That aside Sanrui isn't great, especially as tank and below dev30 and you are using 2 URs at LB1

[graceful meteor]

pretty gokd tech for Ying and Langley tho
still yikes not mlb

[inland shoal]

Sanrui is arguably even more amazing tech
But I wouldn't rly worry about tech at that lvl

[kind slate]

I wanna ask abt what to raise in my dock but there’s a few photos. Do I make a thread?

Also how do I raise subs?

[loud rover]

stick them in dorm or feed them books

[jade heart]

is QE still good for HMS fleet, or should I bulid Prince of Wales since her augment makes her work for HMS

[loud rover]

faction fleets are bad, no 2 ways around it

[tame jungle]

unless you're making a faction fleet for fun, not worth it

[loud rover]

or suffering

[tame jungle]

predominantly suffering yeah

[loud rover]

like those weirdos who make new accounts to faction fleet to w15

[tame jungle]

[fresh tangle]

Is there something to do with t1 weapon books? Far as I can tell you can’t compose them up like tech boxes and I have hundreds of them 😂

[tame jungle]

the plates?

[remote yarrow]

You can compose to the purple ones

[fresh tangle]

Yeah

[tame jungle]

yeah no nothing lol

at least, nothing significant

[remote yarrow]

Oh plates, you can't compose but you use them anyways

[remote yarrow]

"hundreds"

[loud rover]

W14 fleet

[tame jungle]

[eager mulch]

actually you can make a really good faction fleet if you ignore factions altogether

[remote yarrow]

That's almost nothing

[tame jungle]

multi-faction fleet

[fresh tangle]

Oh ok 🤷‍♂️

[eager mulch]

that’s less than nothing

[tame jungle]

but yeah that plate situation is gonna get way way worse the more you play, i have 4k minimum of those and even that is not really a lot

[remote yarrow]

~~What's less than nothing? Void? ~~

[loud rover]

#gameplay-help message think i could get some help for w14 fleets? i've got my w13 posted and all my ships fron vanguard to main in order

[little tree]

Is there a bot command for what ships to research?

[kind slate]

What torp/gun/aux would I use for Wolfpack submarines?

[tame jungle]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[slow fox]

@steady beacon , because .

This is what comes to me, off the top of my head.

*For 100 hit, 25 LCK enemies

[craggy lance]

interesting
What’s JDA?

[tame jungle]

jeanne d'arc

[craggy lance]

ah ok

And I assume the numbers on the right are effective damage taken? So agir + Anchorage is 25% damage taken?

[slow fox]

Ah, sorry.

The numbers on the left are %port, as a measurement of tankiness.

So Portland is 100% .

The numbers on the right are %STD, of 3 standard deviations, as a measurement of consistency.

[craggy lance]

%port that’s hilarious

but shouldn’t higher be better there?

[eager mulch]

big number good

[slow fox]

On the left, yes. Higher is better.

On the right, it depends.

For a ship that has an eHP of 200/25 , this means that 99.7% of her "actual" damage taken will be +- 25% of 200 ... AKA.... her range of plausible damage taken is [ 150 , 250 ]

If you have a high variance, it's possible for you to get lucky and tank shots like a demon. But it's also possible for you to get unlucky and die.

[craggy lance]

Oh sorry I mixed up the %port and the standard deviation silly me

so agir Laffey ancho, let’s say I throw a toolbox and washing machine each on them for simplicity, and then I assume unicorn in the back?

[slow fox]

Well, you can toss three healers in the back and call it a day, y'know?

Agir has BoxRudder
Anchorage has BoxRudder
Laffey II has Box550

[craggy lance]

550 is a torpedo?

is it the one from the core shop?

[slow fox]

Any equpiment that gives 550 HP.,

[craggy lance]

ah ok

[slow fox]

Such as...Seal Of The Four Gods, is the most common.

[craggy lance]

I’ve probably got something kicking around I can buff up for the memes

[slow fox]

holy hell

[craggy lance]

I’m gonna be honest
The thought process for this consisted of watching the darkest dungeon “the wall” meme and asking “but what if Azur lane”

thanks for humoring me here, if for some reason you consider this idea further I’d love to hear it

This is good as it stands though

[slow fox]

They pinged me because I study tankiness in Azur Lane. I'm always down to study tankiness more.

[remote yarrow]

Btw MeBot

[wispy pendant]

@slow fox ❤️

[remote yarrow]

Why was Portland considered as the base of the sheet?

[craggy lance]

they really did get the expert in, damn lol

well thanks again

[wispy pendant]

@slow fox is mogador effectively tanky with her charge in and attack skill, or does that make her effectively not tanky? I understand it's complex, but thought you might have an opinion

[slow fox]

This was a question that was asked during the inception of eHP1. And the answer to that was that, in the help channels, most of the experts would compare the tankiness of shipgirls to Portland anyways. And I believe that's because Portland is the early game tank that everyone recommends. And so everyone has a relatively good sense of how tanky she is.

[remote yarrow]

I figured it was something like that, thanks for clarifying

[viscid swift]

Yeah, that has not changed at all

[vocal python]

Is it good to retrofit Helena?

[topaz smelt]

not early

[tame jungle]

low priority

[viscid swift]

eventually yes

[soft raft]

its good but not a high prio over Unicorn, Portland, and your starter

[limpid sand]

Does MK7 worth to craft from gear lab if I don’t have any? Just notice the gear lab is updated

[vocal python]

Aight ty

[soft raft]

low prio

[topaz smelt]

after every other higher prio gear

[tame jungle]

do you have a bunch of wyvern/457

[viscid swift]

eventually but it's not a high priority

[kind slate]

What torp/gun/aux would I use for Wolfpack submarines?

[vocal python]

I already retro uni and my starter, I dont have Portland retro yet so ig I'll go with her

[remote yarrow]

Should've gone with Portland before your starter but w/e

[limpid sand]

The UR gear I currently have

[silk sphinx]

You can probably expect around a digit %of difference at+10. Does do quite a difference at +13 though, but costly to make and to upgrade to there

[tame jungle]

yeah then it's probably ok to craft mk7

[viscid swift]

honestley I'd craft a 57mm or 2 before Mk7s

[topaz smelt]

id get another 457

[opaque galleon]

It’s FdG that uses 457 most often right?

[tame jungle]

no

[limpid sand]

Ah, so it’s better to get two 457 first and then MK7?

[silk sphinx]

Mk7 just isn’t a huge upgrade at plus10 and you can just substitute with the mk6

[slow fox]

SuchiHuman and Jimmy bugged me about calcs about it as CN was pushing patches out, so I have her eHP on hand.

The "Evil Toolkit" is the fact that she loses 5% of her HP each time she dashes - 7 times total.

[tame jungle]

evil toolkit LMFAO

[silk sphinx]

457 on the other hand doesn’t rly have any substitute

[drifting pecan]

wait, what does evil toolkit refer to?

[kind slate]

Sorry for repeated question but what torp/gun/aux would I use for Wolfpack submarines?

[remote yarrow]

Read again just above the image itself

[silk sphinx]

5% hp loss cap from crashing Mogador

[drifting pecan]

ah, i thought it was some sort of gear

[wraith oyster]

did u guys bother farming for the 2nd mogador copy or no

[viscid swift]

I did, for a flex

[silk sphinx]

Gun doesn’t matter, it’s whatever. Torp well it’s bidder, g87 or rainbow

I farmed for her

But tbh big part of that was me refusing to buy the initial 8k copy of bearn

[wraith oyster]

i got 1 mogador + the gun and trying to decide if i should farm 2nd mogador or just start pushing out of w12

[silk sphinx]

Took all of 70k event currency to finally get one

[night totem]

I did but it's because I lack ur bullins. Else I wouldn't have farmed for the second copy

[wraith oyster]

i got 2 bulins fr but they goin on alsace anyways

[silk sphinx]

Id say go for it

[wispy pendant]

interesting... thanks for the update. So after the fix, you think she's like 98% portland? I forgot what the second percentage number does

[silk sphinx]

Ur bulins will likely be in short supply as you’ll see later with new/rerun UR events

[silk sphinx]

Standard deviation

[wispy pendant]

deviation meaning somehow it'll vary from fight to fight? I'm not sure what standard deviation means in this context

[silk sphinx]

But app for Mebot the used confidence value is 99.7% which is quite high

[wraith oyster]

only ur reruns i need to really grab would be laffey 2 probably but thats far away, and maybe soyuz/musashi

[tame jungle]

refer to this msg

[slow fox]

I'm so proud of you two.

[silk sphinx]

Standard deviation as in statistics

Take a stats course online, you’ll be better for it

[wraith oyster]

unless kronshtadt, uvh, or vanguard are must builds

[remote yarrow]

Well, you are in for a long wait my guy, Laffii won't rerun up until late 2025 probably

[wispy pendant]

okay, so she'll take 1.4% more damage than portland, +/- 43%... does that mean 43% of 1.4% damage difference?

[wraith oyster]

yep so im not really worried about reruns

[silk sphinx]

But in essence it conveys the size of a range in which you can expect most of your population’s features to be included in

[south sequoia]

vanguard is a must build

still very much core

uvh as well but not as high as a priority as vanguard and not as core

[silk sphinx]

As in, the higher the standard deviation, the more variance there is in the observed value, and hence you need a higher range to guarantee that at least say 95% of your population lies within that range

[slow fox]

She's at 98.61 .

43.46% of 98.61 is 42.86 .

So her eHP can be 98.61 +- 42.86 .

It's a little convoluted.

[remote yarrow]

Wouldn't UvH get added to perma instead of getting yet another rerun tho?

[kind slate]

How abt mk16 and g7e?

[hushed aurora]

Tosa worth building?

[wispy pendant]

got it, thanks for the refresher!

[viscid swift]

yes

[silk sphinx]

+2 FP iirc. Unremarkable otherwise

[wraith oyster]

rn i have biszwei, fdg, nj, alsace for ur bbs, and practically all of the meta sr bbs/most

[limpid sand]

Wanna start chp 14 now, any recommendations for mob and boss fleets?

[south sequoia]

Vanguard is still a must build

[remote yarrow]

She's still pretty good regardless

[wraith oyster]

how long we talking for her rerun tho

[silk sphinx]

I mean must might be an exaggeration, but she’s a very good UR bb

[wraith oyster]

also, vanguard is higher priority than musashi/soyuz?

[south sequoia]

No other ur bb is fulfilling the amount of the utility vanny has, you can have a ship that has some of her utility but it wouldn't be anywhere the levels vanny has

[silk sphinx]

She’s the next scheduled UR rerun event

[wraith oyster]

oh cool, and next new ur is like september give or take right

[remote yarrow]

probably yes

[silk sphinx]

As for priority… she used to be (and I think still one of the options in said top fleet) part of the theoretically best triple BB fleet

[keen sable]

you don't even have resources to use that capped 2LB richy. no, tosa is not worth building.

[wraith oyster]

wouldnt best 3 bb fleet be like biszwei, soyuz, alsace/musashi?

[silk sphinx]

Mid September in all likelihood

[south sequoia]

its alsace sushi soyuz zwei vanguard all being interchangeable but vanguard and zwei are a constant presence.

[silk sphinx]

I mean, not really

[wraith oyster]

so i grab vanguard and zwei, vanguard, alsace is more than enough

[silk sphinx]

Well yeas

Arguably the “best” bb fleet rn to some

[south sequoia]

It literally is just zwei vanguard alsace/soyuz/musashi what are you people murmwatting for

[silk sphinx]

I don’t think people have really been running tests

[viscid swift]

not really

it's more like Zwei plus 2 of Musashi, Vanguard, Soyuz, Alsace if anything

[hushed aurora]

I do have 2 sr bullies just not the coins becaus I max Lb alsace and brennus but I asked because I could put tosa already in dorms for the xp so I have her ready later

And put her in fleet 2. Fleet 1 is steamrolling in story

[wraith oyster]

but zwei is the clear best bb?

[south sequoia]

arguably to some

[silk sphinx]

Also eh, but her black hole is really nice

[wraith oyster]

so who is actually higher prio between soyuz and musashi though

[silk sphinx]

Rather than say best, we have like a top 5 ranking where all five don’t rly have a ranking within said 5

[night totem]

Getting both doesn't sound like a bad idea, I mean there should be a decent amount of time between their respective reruns

[viscid swift]

given that Soyuz released more than a year after Musashi

[keen sable]

it is better to put the ships you use in dorm. passive dorm xp is minuscule. Better to use L100 ships to generate xp packs

[hushed aurora]

ok will do that then thanks again unique and sry for beeing anoying

[wraith oyster]

well when that time comes hopefully i have enough cubes/bulins to keep up with new releases and their reruns

[night totem]

It's mostly about rng imo, I got both shinano and NJ on their rerun but I had no cubes saved, yet I got no Shima in 100ish pulls

[silk sphinx]

Of course it’s rng… but anyways vg is very worth it

I daresay more than mogador in any case

[night totem]

Yeah utility is usually of higher priority

[wraith oyster]

yeah but vanguard is gacha and mogador was guaranteed

[silk sphinx]

Fair.

[wraith oyster]

so i honestly dont plan to pull both soyuz and musashi unless my rng is very lucky, so i will need to decide which of the 2 i think is higher piority

[drifting pecan]

your opinion bout new gear lab?

[keen sable]

when you don't guarantee yourself vanguard...

[south sequoia]

dd gun teeny tiny upgrade from 76mm

[viscid swift]

my dude, the 2 released close to a year and a half apart

their reruns are not gonna be close together

heck just between Msuashi and Soyuz there's
Yorktown 2, Implacable, Bismarck Zwei, Unzen, Guam/Laffey 2

[wraith oyster]

yes and guess what, there will be plenty of new ur/reruns between them

[silk sphinx]

Don’t bother talking about it, the meta will change in between now and then

[wraith oyster]

its not like i have a year and a half to save to guarantee both

[viscid swift]

and guess what else, you can earn a shit tone of cubes in that time

[remote yarrow]

So? You will have more than enough cubes even in less time

[wraith oyster]

that are being spent on new urs....

[remote yarrow]

You get like 200ish cubes every month if you play consistently

[viscid swift]

my dude, how bad do you think the cube economy is if you don't think you can pull every UR and eventually everyone in the game

[keen sable]

I would say the chance to not get every UR is close to 0. The chance to not get every elite however might be like 0.01%

[south sequoia]

Just save up and plan and decide when their banners are out, do note there's a ton of time in between and the meta can change within the time of their reruns
You are thinking too far ahead without considering the road to the future you're envisioning.

[drifting pecan]

tiny upgrade huh.. how bout other new gearlab?

[graceful meteor]

buy cube

[silk sphinx]

Eventually though can be very long. If you pity several times consecutively it can be tough

[wraith oyster]

is easy to say u can pull every ur when u dont also have to catch up on reruns but yeah i get it

bulins are another story entirely

[viscid swift]

For the record l, I did not start in 2018 when EN launched I started in December 2020, I got 100% in August 2023

[silk sphinx]

7anyways when musashi comes you should go for her. For soyuz no need to decide now, she’s probably like 2 years+ away

[viscid swift]

With careful management you will be able to pull everything

[south sequoia]

Do take note of the free builds in reruns too, you have a chance to be able to pull the urs themselves without even spending a single cube

[remote yarrow]

I've literally pulled on every rerun since Shimakaze's and I'm doing just fine even when I almost pitied twice (200 for UvH and 178 for Shima)

[viscid swift]

Yeah, which I didn't have when I was catching up for most events

[silk sphinx]

I started a year later than cheeky, am missing a couple especially since I was absent for an event but at 98.4% (also missing the new retro)

[main latch]

i heard mogador got change is she viable to use now ?

[silk sphinx]

Never bought cubes and have 1.4K cubes rn (pitied the current one)

[south sequoia]

she is great now

[silk sphinx]

She was viable before, but she’s much tankier now yes

According to mebot sheet like portland level ish apparently

[slow fox]

But would you really use Portland as a tank?

[remote yarrow]

~~Early on yes ~~

[silk sphinx]

I mean, not the regs here but others yes

[main latch]

is mogador dmg decent ?

[silk sphinx]

Very good

[wraith oyster]

i use unzen as tank

pretty sure their tankiness is similar from what i heard

[slow fox]

[night totem]

I mean there's like 4 urs in between them if I'm not mistaken: vanguard, Yorktown 2, implacable and unzen. I might have missed some but the point still stands, it's safe to say that there will be a lot of time between their reruns

[sweet delta]

i use helena as a tank

[slow fox]

SuchiSapiens

[remote yarrow]

If I didn't read the emote name I would've just thought it was some kind of aurora borealis

[slow fox]

[wraith oyster]

if thats the lineup then its 3 that i have, so i should be able to skip 3 of them, might needs to grab srs/elites though

[velvet slate]

if u can use helena as tank u r doing content that doesnt require a tank xD

[warm flax]

So which does more damage between Hinden and Mog

[sweet delta]

yes fr hard arbiter and challenge modes don't require tank

usually hinden does more dmg]

[wraith oyster]

whats the morale regen if the ship is not in dorm, is there any?

[sweet delta]

20 per hour or 30 if oathed

[silk sphinx]

Here;

Past URs schedule
sep 17 2020 - Shinano (JP anniversary)
may 27 2021 - New Jersey (CN anniversary)
sep 16 2021 - Shimakaze (JP anniversary)
dec 29 2021 - Ulrich Von Hutten
feb 24 2022 - Kronshtadt
may 26 2022 - Vanguard (CN anniversary)
sep 15 2022 - Musashi (JP anniversary)
dec 22 2022 - Yorktown II
feb 23 2023 - Implacable
may 25 2023 - Bismarck Zwei (CN anniversary)
sep 14 2023 - Unzen (JP anniversary)
dec 21 2023 - Guam & Laffey II
feb 29 2024 - Sovetsky Soyuz
may 21 2024 - Alsace & Mogador (CN anniversary)

[wraith oyster]

so will next shimakaze go in permanent?

[sweet delta]

people r probably more interested in future URs schedule

[viscid swift]

Next UR probably

Next event no

[remote yarrow]

supposedly but we don't know when

[wraith oyster]

oh soyuz is new new

[remote yarrow]

I want Implac

[soft raft]

yeah now you see what cheeky meant by that they're nowhere close

[wraith oyster]

kron was last rerun?

[viscid swift]

Yes

[wraith oyster]

i can try to grab van and musashi and then try and save for new ur and skip yorkii, implac, zwei, and unzen and then grab laffey 2

[viscid swift]

You know Laffey 2 was free right

[night totem]

How good is kronshtadt, I pulled for her on her og banner but she never came home and I was busy when she reruned so wasn't playing

[velvet slate]

skip zwei?

[silk sphinx]

Blasphemy has many of those URs from what i understand

[sweet delta]

there's no bad choice ||but that's a bad choice||

[silk sphinx]

So that’s why they’ll skip many of them

[wraith oyster]

didnt really play when she came out, just got on pulled guam and dipped for some months

[remote yarrow]

You don't "need" to save you will probably get enough cubes to get every ship you are missing by just playing

[wraith oyster]

i have, NJ, Yorkii, Yuu, Unzen, Zwei, FdG, Shima, Guam, Alsace, Implac, Mogador

[silk sphinx]

You kind of do if your luck is bad, at least skip say some non ur events or not clear banner

It happens for newer players or those who took breaks

But getting all the UR ships is pretty much guaranteed

[wraith oyster]

so realistically, between vanguard banner and laffey 2 rerun how many new urs can i expect

[silk helm]

damn wait so basically two months to save for the next ur?

[silk sphinx]

More like 4 months

[sweet delta]

the next ur's time is unknown

[viscid swift]

all the reruns plus probably probably 2 years worth of new URs

[keen sable]

the next ur could be free

[silk sphinx]

They skip En anniversary for new UR events. But vanguard rerun is unknown

They also might change the format or schedule who knows though tbh

[warm flax]

Isn't the next UR on JP anni

[silk helm]

[wraith oyster]

i just mean in the span of 5 reruns how many new URs usually get released

[keen sable]

new only

[viscid swift]

Well the time between reruns is usually 2 to 5 months

[wraith oyster]

so probably 3 or 4 new urs by the time laffey 2 reruns?

[silk helm]

ohhh so they also release non gacha URs like moga

[silk sphinx]

What we know about UR events is the above schedule

[velvet slate]

most likely 2-3, its been like this so far

new ur
ur rerun
new ur
ur rerun
new ur

thats been how it went since i got back last year right before senran kagura event

[silk sphinx]

Reruns have been lagging though

[viscid swift]

Laffey 2 won't rerun probably until late 2025 at the earliest

[keen sable]

no the "next" UR could be perma shimakaze who is free

[sharp socket]

can i analyse blueprints after dev30 or only after fs5

[warm flax]

normal events

[wraith oyster]

yes, so estimate how many brand new urs between now and then

[silk sphinx]

So we’re calling perma URs free then…

[silk helm]

ohhh okay roger that bud

[warm flax]

normal events rerun rather

[keen sable]

they're not?

[viscid swift]

6 UR events, maybe 7

[wraith oyster]

its like 18 month period ish

[viscid swift]

And that's assuming she doesn't get powercrept before then

[silk helm]

what does getting powercrept mean

[wraith oyster]

well she'll prob still be a must build for me since i only have yuudachi and shimakaze

[velvet slate]

stronger ship get released and she falls out of the meta

[silk sphinx]

What happened to New Jersey

[silk helm]

damnn kimocheese was right

[wraith oyster]

idk if nj is considered powercrept since she still really good

[velvet slate]

given that nj is still good even today i wouldnt worry about laffey. Yeh stronger ships than nj exiss but nj is still very strong

[silk sphinx]

She’s now pretty much retired now except for say her crossfleet

[forest palm]

Kimocheese...

[silk sphinx]

Well, specifically for all-UR havers

[velvet slate]

to say nj was power creeped is making it way much bigger deal than it actually is

[remote yarrow]

Bait used to be believable

[silk sphinx]

My autocorrect is not doing well today

[wraith oyster]

what is a kimocheese

[silk helm]

isn't BB also the most saturated class tho

[silk sphinx]

A YouTuber you shouldn’t watch

[remote yarrow]

The class clown of Azur Lane youtubers who baits new players with bad advice

[viscid swift]

everything is all relative, when we say NJ is power crept we mean compared to the other UR BBs

[forest palm]

power creep is kind of silly when looking at New Jersey, because she's still far better than 90% of existing BBs, so you really are only comparing her to the top

[wraith oyster]

most used class so most urs are bbs yeah fr

technically nj used to be best ur bb and now she probably worst or close to it so ig powercrept is correct term

[silk helm]

do we know when the next pr is?

[velvet slate]

and shes not even worse than all UR battleships and can keep up pretty well with most

[wraith oyster]

maybe surpassed/dethroned is more accurate

[viscid swift]

sometime in July

[silk helm]

2024?

[viscid swift]

yes

[silk helm]

nice hopefully i finish roon before then

[wraith oyster]

roon

[forest palm]

the worst among UR BB, ignoring Warspite, would be to me Ulrich

[viscid swift]

nah

[wraith oyster]

we dont consider warspite a ur frfr

[viscid swift]

FDG is the worst in my books

[slow fox]

mommy 🥺

[forest palm]

I don't know I find Ulrich less practical

[silk helm]

dayum but ppl say to rush her? just coz coin up?

[keen sable]

luckily one month per ship is still fast enough to eventually finish all ships

[wraith oyster]

because shes amazing and dont have to gacha for her

[remote yarrow]

She's still better than most BBs in the game

[viscid swift]

yes because new players probably don't even have a UR BB

let alone enough to fill fleets in OpSi

[velvet slate]

i dont like ulrich either but i might be biased against ulrich cuz i find her pretty fugly lmao

[silk helm]

true..

[viscid swift]

again, everything is relative and contextual

[wraith oyster]

i tell u what i dont like zwei, idk if im dumb or what but my nj always outdamages my zwei

[forest palm]

it is contextual

[silk helm]

yeah well i can't get the retro blueprints 😭

[velvet slate]

fdg is great, the only thing she is missing is a freaking l2d xD

[viscid swift]

that's you do something wrong or the set up being rigged in NJ's favor for the end screen intentional or otherwise

[keen sable]

just stop using retro ships 🧠

[wraith oyster]

maybe because nj is better when the fights are over quick or what but idk

[silk helm]

i need like 5 to unlock roon 😭😭😭

[forest palm]

Endscreen can be unreliable sometimes as well

[viscid swift]

taking endscreen damage at face value is a classice newbie mistake

[wraith oyster]

most of the time my zwei doesnt even get her barrage off cause it feels like it takes too long for her to finally use it

[night pumice]

should I still be trying to get fdg if I have alsace or do I switch to pr4

[night totem]

Hmm idk my zwei was out damaging my lvl120 NJ when she was lvl115

[soft raft]

cant tell if anyone already responded but overall she's kinda a low prio, you honestly didnt really miss much with her if you already have all of the other Rainbow CBs

[sweet delta]

taking endscreen damage at face value is a classice veteran mistake too

[viscid swift]

get FDG still

[velvet slate]

get her to u can buy her prints with gold early

[soft raft]

More UR BB always pog

[night totem]

I see, tyvm you're the only one who answered lol

[velvet slate]

as you come close to finishing her up maybe pause your pr4 and get azuma or drake so u have a DR to spend gold on

[night pumice]

ah alright. and with four bulins, they should go to alsace and not mog right

[soft raft]

Yes

[silk helm]

in general what's the use cases for DDs. are they like tanks or damage?

[soft raft]

you do not generalize roles by hulltype

[viscid swift]

don't generalize based on hull type

[silk helm]

damn noob mistake

[sweet delta]

all CBs are tanks. not all tanks are CBs

[keen sable]

retro bp are not actually a rare item. people just advise too many retro ships in the beginning

[silk helm]

hot take brother

[night totem]

Are they worth getting? I never spent time on pr2/3 except for kita and fdg, I went straight to pr4 afterwards

[viscid swift]

what can I say, a lot of retrofitted ships are good for begginers

[velvet slate]

if you are a newer player they are worth it and will help you in opsi for sure

[wraith oyster]

GENERALLY you would never use dd as a tank

[velvet slate]

especially since catching up to URs will take a while given how long it takes to get them

[soft raft]

Azuma has been relatively powercrept but she's still a CB
And Drake has been quite powercrept but is still better than a majority of SR CAs

Overall, both of them are low prio over FdG, all of PR4, and Plymouth

[wraith oyster]

very few dd can be used as tank

[night totem]

I'd say I'm in midgame? But I have a bunch of other ur shipgirls and good sr ones so I'm wondering if it's worth getting them now

[velvet slate]

and while drake and azuma both mightve fallen behind other URs, they are still stronger than 90-95% of ships

[night totem]

I see, then I'm not getting them anytime soon lol
I'll keep focusing on Plymouth then hinden

[viscid swift]

not particularly, coining FDG will take over 2 months and a lot can change in that time

[wraith oyster]

who is generally best 3 cv boss fleet in opsi

[soft raft]

PR7 is also coming out next month

[wraith oyster]

u think we'll be able to coin pr4?

[forest palm]

PR4 is coinable, not DR4 mind you

[viscid swift]

and Frankly, you're literally getting Azuma's replacements in doing PR4 and Drake doesn't do much of particular not to consider her a priority

[velvet slate]

the reason u want one of them is to have a DR character to spend gold on, but if they bring gold to DR4 u wouldnt need them

[night totem]

I already finished fdg, I'm just using coin to fs5 her now, she's fs2 rn. But well I don't really use her either

[viscid swift]

if you have a lot of other UR BBs you probably won't

[night totem]

True

[viscid swift]

if you do though then well you might want to start looking into changing that

[night totem]

I see

[velvet slate]

also if u havent yet bought all proto store items, postponing doing catch up for DR3 or DR2 until after u have them sim5 is a great way to just get a lot of proto currency

[night totem]

That's my ur roaster rn